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Regional airlines' pilot pay, conditions at issue

Sat May 16, 2009 3:56 AM EDT
business, politics, us, new-york, pilots, airline-pilots
Joan Lowy, Associated Press
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<p>Mark Rosenker, acting chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), gives his opening statement during a hearing on the Feb. 12 crash of a Colgan Airways Bombardier DHC8-400 near Clarence Center, N.Y., Tuesday, May 12, 2009, at the NTSB in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)</p>

Mark Rosenker, acting chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), gives his opening statement during a hearing on the Feb. 12 crash of a Colgan Airways Bombardier DHC8-400 near Clarence Center, N.Y., Tuesday, May 12, 2009, at the NTSB in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

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WASHINGTON — The investigation into the commuter plane crash in upstate New York that killed 50 people in February has exposed the long hours and low pay of some regional airline pilots. Lawmakers now are wondering if such working conditions are more widespread and pose safety risks.

Members of Congress said they were stunned by the salaries of the pilots of Continental Connection Flight 3407, employees of the smaller commuter airline Colgan Air Inc. The pilots may have tried to snatch sleep in an airport crew lounge, which is against company policy. The first officer lived with her parents near Seattle and commuting cross country to work in New Jersey.

"All these things raise questions: Are they an aberration or are FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) standards sufficient? Or are the standards not enforced?" said Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation subcommittee on aviation.

Aviation industry experts said the conditions reflect the broad restructuring of the industry after Sept. 11, 2001, when air travel dropped sharply and major airlines began pairing with regional ones. It took the industry years to recover and led to major airline bankruptcies, mergers and management demands for dramatic wage and benefit concessions.

The role of regional airlines has grown. Once considered industry runts, they are now joined at the hip with the big airlines. People who buy a ticket on a major airline often find themselves on a regional carrier for some part of a domestic trip. Passengers often don't even realize they're traveling on two airlines.

Regional airlines account for half of all domestic departures and about one-quarter of the passengers. They are the only scheduled service to about 440 communities.

Witnesses at National Transportation Safety Board hearings this past week said it's possible that many passengers on Flight 3407 the night of Feb. 12 didn't know the plane and its flight crew belonged not to Continental, but Colgan Air of Manassas, Va.

The twin-engine turboprop experienced an aerodynamic stall as it neared Buffalo Niagara International Airport before plunging into a house. All 49 people aboard and a man in the house were killed. Testimony and documents indicate the captain, Marvin Renslow, and co-pilot Rebecca Shaw made a series of critical errors.

NTSB investigators calculated Shaw was paid just over $16,000. Colgan officials testified that captains such as Renslow earn about $55,000 a year. The company later said Shaw's salary was $23,900 and that captains earn about $67,000.

Pilot pay is usually based on the size of the aircraft and a pilot's experience. But the workload and flight schedules at regional airlines are often more demanding than at a major airline, where the planes are larger and make longer but less frequent trips, said Scott Johns, a former Northwest Airlines pilot and air crash investigator.

"I'm not sure how you fix this pay system discrepancy," he said.

Roger Cohen, president of the Regional Airline Association, said lower salaries are an industrywide problem. He predicted airlines generally will suffer a shortage of pilots once the economy improves. He denied, however, that safety has been affected.

"Compensation has nothing to do with safety," Cohen said. "We're going to defend the quality of our people."

William Swelbar of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's airline data project noted that until the Buffalo crash, major and regional U.S. air carriers hadn't had a fatal crash in more than two years.

The vice president of the Air Line Pilots Association, Paul Rice, said salaries vary between companies, but major airline captains typically earn about $120,000 to $125,000. He said senior captains who fly internationally can earn about $180,000.

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1 number from the powerball PA.

How come I knew how little the crews of regional airlines were paid and the congress says first we heard of it.I always thought they had their heads up their ass,but please many articles have been written about this issue over the last 10 years.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Sat May 16, 2009 8:07 AM EDT
mamadelapaz

pulling on the stick when you should be pushing on it to avoid a stall has nothing to do with salary...it has to do with experience.

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Sat May 16, 2009 9:48 AM EDT
gleuch

they are related, because if you can't pay for people with experience, you end up hiring people without experience.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Sat May 16, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
suz47

When you rid people in positions for cost cutting purposes, no matter what industry you will be left with people that have less experience to draw on creating in this case a horrific accident and in many other industries poor products and potential health products in areas such as medical devices for surgeons, medications, even childrens toys and products as there are strict regulations in place to provide for safety compliance. However people need to have knowledge and experience to be able to implement safety practices.

This entire accident could have been avoided if at least one person on that plane had EXPERIENCE. Corporations no longer appear to value experience....in this case it cost lives and it is unexcusable.

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Sat May 16, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
1 number from the powerball PA.

You have to pay for experience,the airlines have deceided to put your life and mine at risk for the almighty dollar. And most of the time they get away with it until an emergency occures,then were on our own.Parachutes anyone

  • 1 vote
#2.3 - Sat May 16, 2009 7:54 PM EDT
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jbird

My gut says the airline talked ill of the dead, just to cover the fact that they failed to adequately train the crew on this aircraft's systems, before sending them on scheduled runs. CYA!

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Sat May 16, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
L8tely

The whole industry is broken, check this out from Captain Sullenberger: http://aircrewbuzz.com/2009/02/what-capt-sully-sullenberger-told.html

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Sat May 16, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
HorseTrainer

Good Article l8tely. Capt. Sully touches on all aspects of the condition our pilots and airlines are in. It should be about safety first.

    #4.1 - Sat May 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT
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