Senate vote not last word on Guantanamo

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WASHINGTON — With President Barack Obama showing the way, some Senate Democrats are signaling a willingness to permit transferring suspected terrorists from Guantanamo to U.S. prisons despite a high-profile vote to the contrary.

Most notably among them is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who spent the week sending out confusing signals on just where he stood.

"We are wanting and willing to work with" the president to come up with a solution to the detainee controversy, the Nevada Democrat said Thursday — a statement that conspicuously left open the possibility that some detainees would eventually be incarcerated in U.S. prisons.

Only two days earlier, Reid had adamantly told reporters he opposed the release of any of the detainees into the United States. On Wednesday, he joined 89 other lawmakers in both parties who voted to prohibit their transfer.

The 90-6 vote also denied Obama the funds he requested to close the Navy-run detention center in Cuba, which was set up by the Bush administration and has become a highly controversial symbol of the former president's terrorism policies.

Obama and many Democrats favor closing the facility, saying it has become a recruiting tool for al-Qaida. But doing so leaves open the fate of most of the 240 men held there.

Some Democrats grumbled that Obama's team had left them exposed politically in the run-up to Wednesday's vote. Sen. Daniel Inouye, the Hawaii Democrat who is chairman of the Appropriations Committee, spoke at one point of the administration lacking a "coherent plan."

Initially, Senate Democrats, who hold a majority, had hoped to finesse the issue. They drafted legislation that allowed Obama's use of the funds to close Guantanamo after he presented a plan that outlined steps for dealing with the detainees held there.

But under significant pressure from the Republican leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, and other GOP senators, Democrats backpedaled. They stripped out the funds altogether and voted with Republicans to bar the "transfer, release" or incarceration of any Guantanamo detainee in the United States.

"I think it is a perfect place, given the unique nature of the war on terror," McConnell said Thursday. "Having said that, the president, I assume, has the authority to close it if he'd like to. And if he's going to close it, then he needs a plan."

Within 24 hours of the Senate vote, Obama sought to reframe the issue, accusing unnamed critics of fear-mongering and resorting to "words that, frankly, are calculated to scare people rather than educate them."

At the same time, he made it clear he intends for some of the detainees to be incarcerated in the U.S. "Where demanded by justice and national security, we will seek to transfer some detainees to the same type of facilities in which we hold all manner of dangerous and violent criminals within our borders — namely highly secure prisons that ensure the public safety."

Some terrorists, he pointed out, have already been tried in federal courts, found guilty and sent to prison. "No one has ever escaped from one of our federal, supermax prisons, which hold hundreds of convicted terrorists," Obama said.

The president said in an interview broadcast Saturday on C-SPAN that he is confident "that if we approach this in a way that isn't trying to score political points, but is trying to create a legal and institutional framework with checks and balances, respectful of due process and rule of law ... there is no reason why we can't try either in a military commission or in a federal court people who've done us harm and also spend a bulk of our time preventing people from doing us harm in the first place."

In addition to Reid, other Democrats who voted to ban the transfer of detainees to the United States said after Obama's speech, they are willing to consider the plan the president eventually presents.

"We need for the administration to come to the legislative branch with a well-thought out plan, and then for us to have a conversation," said Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del. Asked whether that meant he was unalterably opposed to permitting detainees to enter U.S. prisons, he repeated it was up to the White House to outline its plan first.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., said detainees can be incarcerated safely inside the United States, but added quickly, "Should they be? That's a far more difficult question to answer."

"It should be a last resort," she said, less preferable than sending them to other countries.

Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., who also voted for the legislation on Wednesday and favors closing Guantanamo, issued a statement saying he looked forward to working with the administration on a "lawful and efficient system of trials using an appropriate combination of our civilian courts and military commissions."

What to do with the Guantanamo detainees mushroomed into the biggest sticking point in a bill that Obama had wanted by Memorial Day to pay for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan through the summer. So lawmakers will be under pressure to quickly complete it when they return in June. But the Guantanamo issue can be taken up again elsewhere, giving Obama some time to come up with a plan that could generate a compromise.

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{"commentId":7131339,"authorDomain":"ispeedtoo"}

Call Gitmo what it is which is a military prison or sell it to a private offshore corporation and give them a give year life.

This whole issue is going to me a bomb in the Democrats hat that will go off in September 2010.

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    Reply#1 - Sun May 17, 2009 12:53 PM EDT
    {"commentId":7140527,"authorDomain":"coalbear"}

    We have military prisons on the mainland too. If your military which uses trillions of dollars cannot protect citizens from a few detainees or the terrorists that might want to get them out, they are not worth the lead to shoot their brains out. It's pathatic the money and training we spend on the military and then think they cannot do their jobs. Grow up congress.

    And no way sell any institution to a private corporation. We do that to prisions and they go to crap. We have 2 new high level prisons and 4 regional jails in my area in Virginia run by private companies. They are pathatic. 2 inmates have died from abuse in one prision and one inmate raped from PRIVATE guards ( most are former military personel) having their fun. The prision had to have a restructuring. But NO charges were brought against the staff, just swept under the rug. Our government outsourses everything now and could not give a sh*t about oversight.

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      Reply#2 - Mon May 18, 2009 8:00 AM EDT
      {"commentId":7170626,"authorDomain":"comsen"}

      The reason previously given for keeping them in Cuba has been it's outside of US court jurisdiction.

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      #2.1 - Tue May 19, 2009 5:46 PM EDT
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