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Caps and gown costs too steep for some seniors

Thu May 21, 2009 6:18 PM EDT
education, only-on-msnbc-com, school, students, graduation, gowns, gown, elkhart, the-elkhart-project, elkhart-memorial-high-school, albert-white
msnbc.com News — By JoNel Aleccia

Senior Albert White picks up his cap and gown a week and a half before Elkart Memorial High School's graduation. Principal Mark Sobloski sponsored White when he had trouble paying for his graduation ensemble.

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— ELKHART, Ind. - There's no question that Albert White has earned the right to don a cap and gown for the march across the stage at the Elkhart Memorial High School graduation on May 31.

But until a few weeks ago, the 19-year-old Indiana senior wasn’t sure he could afford to.

In a year when both parents lost jobs in this city’s hard-hit manufacturing industry, White’s family has had a tough time paying basic expenses — and the $38 for the required graduation regalia was a luxury.

“I always knew I needed help, but I was always kind of shy to ask,” the teenager said.

White might have had to skip the ceremony, if not for a small payment by Principal Mark Tobolski, one of a growing number of school officials in Elkhart and elsewhere who say the economic downturn has jeopardized even this traditional rite of passage.

“Families who were making it are no longer making it now,” said Tobolski, who has seen the number of kids who need help paying for caps and gowns quadruple at his school this year.

Across the nation, school staffers privy to teen problems say more students are having a hard time footing the costs of graduation. From Florida and Texas to Indiana and California, education officials are soliciting donations, recycling old gowns and, in some cases, ponying up the money themselves.

“When you hear some of their stories, you’re like, ‘We’ll do it,’” said Vanessa Gomez-Lee, a student assistance program manager at Valley View High School in Moreno Valley, Calif. “We don’t want that to be the reason they don’t walk.”

At her school, 30 students out of nearly 400 graduating seniors need help, up from only a few in previous years, said Gomez-Lee, who has helped pull together a $1,500 fund. In Sherman, Texas, organizers at the city’s single high school have asked previous graduates to donate their robes for reuse by cash-strapped graduates, said senior counselor Michelle Burton.

And in Ocala, Fla., community donors came up with $5,000 to help more than 100 students who couldn’t afford regalia, said Suzanne McGuire, a liaison between homeless students and the Marion County School District.

“In our town, like everywhere else, things are tough,” McGuire said.

At Ocala’s Marion Technical Institute, where 28 students have received assistance so far, counselor Susannah Bender said some families planned to cover graduation expenses, but when the fee came due, had to choose between paying utility bills or paying for a cap and gown.

“One father said, ‘Without this, I don’t know what I would have told my daughter,’” she recalled.

Certainly, there always have been students who need assistance with graduation expenses, officials say. Many schools have long kept special funds for just such emergencies, small coffers that can make up the price of a prom ticket, a college test fee or other costs in special circumstances.

But now, with unemployment rising nationwide and family incomes stretched farther than ever, some schools say the demand for those resources is rising.

At Elkhart Memorial High School, teachers took up a collection earlier this year, after they noticed that several students had not placed graduation orders, said Peggy Presser, an administrator who coordinates student internships.

Under gentle questioning, the students admitted they couldn’t afford the cost. Many are from formerly comfortable families devastated by job losses that nudged Elkhart County unemployment rates to 18.8 percent in March. In previous years, perhaps three or four students would have been in that position. This year, it’s nearly 40.

“Parents’ situations have changed drastically,” Presser said.

Tobolski said he knows families that have lost 40 percent to 50 percent of their incomes, making minor expenses a major issue.

So far, the gaps in ability to pay remain regional — and anecdotal. Jostens, one of the nation’s largest suppliers of caps and gowns, says orders for commencement packages that can range from $50 to more than $200 have held steady in a year when some 3.3 million students are expected to graduate from United States schools.

“We certainly haven’t seen a trend,” said Rich Stoebe, Josten's director of communications. “It really hasn’t come up as an issue.”

Stoebe declined to say how many caps and gowns his company sells each year or what percentage of the lucrative graduation market it holds.

But smaller companies that supply graduation regalia say they’ve received calls from parents trying to cut costs. Mike Sklar, general manager of American Cap & Gown Inc., based in Springfield, N.J., said orders are up for his less costly $17.95 cap, gown and tassel package.

“They might not match [the other students],” cautioned Sklar, who said he sells 50,000 packages in the U.S. each year.

The notion that students can’t afford graduation expenses comes as no surprise to school districts that have long grappled with poverty. At Campbell High School in Smyrna, Ga., where more than half the students qualify for federal meal assistance, the issue is not new.

“It’s such a norm here, they don’t mind saying they need a fee waiver,” said Julie Hartline, the lead counselor, who said the school sets aside extra caps and gowns just for that purpose.

But in schools where the issue has emerged only recently, providing assistance can be a delicate matter.

“It’s almost like they’re wearing a badge of shame when they come in and very privately ask,” said Susan Strickland, a counselor at a Cobb County high school in Georgia. “We have to be able to help people and allow them to keep their dignity at the same time.”

Students on the receiving end said they’re mostly relieved and grateful at being able to take part in an important rite of passage. Rosellen Collins, 19, of Gainesville, Fla., said donning a cap and gown will help prove that she could persevere, despite an unintended pregnancy. Her 5-month old son will be one of the witnesses to her June graduation from North Marion High School.

“It’s been pretty hard to study and to take care of a child,” said Collins. “None of my people thought I was going to make it.”

Back in Elkhart, Albert White said the cap and gown fee was only the latest boost from his principal, Tobolski, who has been a mentor since White was in middle school. But it may just be the most important.

“It’s going to mean a lot to me,” White said. “I’m going to be the first one in my family to get a diploma. When I walk out there, my parents are going to be so proud.”

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Dan-374579Deleted
FreedminMontana

Perhaps the schools should go back to the old days when caps and gowns were held by the schools and reused every year.  Kids should not be made to pay to graduate.  The year book is one thing but the thousands being made every year by these companies is ridiculous.  It is great to see kids graduate but I bet their level of education is far below what other countries would allow.  We should be improving their eduction instead of asking their families for more money for this ridiculous tradition!

  • 21 votes
#2 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:21 AM EDT
willowbrook

When I graduated, (a while back) we rented the cap and gown and turned it back in after the ceremony. We looked much better than the flimsy ones they have you buy now. I am glad that there are people out there who are helping these kids out. Graduation SHOULD be special. I am not much for ending wearing the cap and gown as most teens no longer know how to buy or wear dress clothes (and some families cannot afford dress clothes.) Having kids at graduations in the casual clothes they wear today would be inappropriate and reduce the special nature of the ceremony.

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT
ronpal

i'm all for tradition, when feasible, but come on people --- where's your priorities ? the important part is achieving the grades necessary to graduate - the ceremony of receiving your diploma in front of your family and community is just a ceremony. frankly, the way grades are handed down nowadays, i'm unsure how proud i would feel to receive the diploma.

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:04 PM EDT
Marj-1120331

I totally agree. When I graduated in 1970, we used caps and gowns that the school retained. Now everything is disposable. What a waste. Will anyone ever "re-wear"their cap and gown? I doubt it. Let the schools keep and reuse them!

  • 14 votes
#2.3 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT
Diane-1120359

I agree completely. My daughter is graduating this year and the cost for photo's, announcement cards, cap and gown runs into hundreds of dollars and it is crazy that companies are making so much money out of families of students. I have two caps and gowns hanging in the closet from previouse graduations from different schools, it would be far better for the schools to keep them and hand them out every year with maybe a small charge for cleaning etc. This will be our families sixth graduation and it costs a fortune. Why should companies like Jostens cash in on something like this?

  • 9 votes
#2.4 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:20 PM EDT
PaulaofNevada

We fail to look at the whole picture. As a society we no longer take care of our own. Instead we pay teachers nothing and send jobs over seas. Instead of valuing our young, and the honor it is to graduate we make excuses of what schools should do. We do not hold movie stars, athletes, politicians, nor musicians/singers accountable for their actions as role models for our young. We put down traditions and honors and take care of children around the world and ignore the problems we have in our own country. It is privilege to be an "American" and to be able to attend school for free! Ignorance is shown when we talk about education around the world, when "America" is the only country that educates every child, even those who are not American Citizens are educated for free. If "America" removed those students that are below average in the learning spectrum we would find our country would be above the rest of the world. Instead, Teachers are asked to teach to the below average child and ignore the children at the top. Graduation is a privilege and an honor, no child should have to be denied the honor of being able to attend a ceremony due to lack of funds. If we can pay movie stars, singers, politician, and athletes millions of dollars, surely these people can find away to take care of American Children.

  • 4 votes
#2.5 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
dongle

We should be improving their eduction instead of asking their families for more money for this ridiculous tradition!

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You are correct - the US needs to work on improving the education of students. However - schools neither ask or demand more money - it is the student and the parent who demand (not ask) for both Prom and Graduation Ceremonies. They are the ones who keep the tradition going and make it more elaborate each year. Those students with little resources get "caught up" and want the same thing.

It is true that many students and parents do not care to take part in these traditions. And - they do not. Many students simply see it as a waste of time and money.

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There should be no such thing as "graduation costs"! These are free public high schools and this is one thing kids should NOT have to worry about!

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Sports - Band - Prom - Graduation - are not Academic - not necessary costs. As a tax payer I do not want to be paying for these activities. Many schools would drop Prom - scale back Graduation Ceremonies - but - parents and students won't allow that to happen. If students and parents want Prom - Graduation Cards - Rings - Robes - they need to pay for that themselves.

And - why have Graduation Gowns at all? One school I know won't use them. They encourage students to "dress up" - but accept (within reason) however the student is dressed. It is interesting that some schools adopted the Graduation Gown because many students were unable to "dress up". The Graduation Gown covered their "bib" overalls and inappropriate dress.

  • 1 vote
#2.6 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
meand5kids

As a high school teacher, I am seeing more of this problem this year also. I don't understand why companies such as Josten can't set up an assistance program for student's unable to pay. When Josten's declines to tell how many graduation packages they sell nation wide it tells me that their profits are so great that they don't want you to know.

  • 5 votes
#2.7 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:48 PM EDT
Pam Montgomery

That's a very common sense approach to the problem. Issue the gowns before commencement, and collect them after pictures. Charge a small fee to cover initial investment, and for maintaince. It would be a cool committee project to customize each years gowns. Students who cannot afford the fee, but wants to feel like they are a part of things can work on the committee, have fund raisers for the gown customization projects and overhead. These kids would emerge looking like heros. Sounds like a moral booster.

Precisely why something like this wouldn't work. Simple, creative solutions have gone the way of the dinosaur.

  • 7 votes
#2.8 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
janjan-739005

Pam I love, love, love that idea. Affords a simple life lesson in giving back as well.

  • 1 vote
#2.9 - Fri May 22, 2009 1:48 PM EDT
tyler

1 deleted, Dan-374579 threadcrapping. Sure, there are other stories to cover. Being covered, in fact - try pretty much anywhere else on this site. Comment there. Thanks.

  • 2 votes
#2.10 - Fri May 22, 2009 2:18 PM EDT
Bill N..

Tyler - wow...Dan must have been pretty nasty to be censored like that, as I've seen a ton of vicious anti-Christian rants go unchallenged...

  • 2 votes
#2.11 - Fri May 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
impossibleme

I agree that schools should consider owning the caps and gowns and possibly charging only a refundable cleaning deposit. As Willowbrook says, the ones sold by Jostens for around $40. look as cheap as a Halloween costume! As for the Josten's comment that they have not noticed a decline in sales- I don't believe it. Our 4th just graduated a week ago, we ordered only the cap and gown, and the minimum number of invitations. Several other families made their own invitations. I didn't notice anyone ordering the 'big' packs with all the bells and whistles. Also- many students didn't have professional senior portraits taken, opting to do them themselves to save money. We did. With such easy access to good camera equipment and photo finishing, why not? Some will always be willing to fork over too much money for such services, the rest of us will cut corners when we can.

    #2.12 - Fri May 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT
    Ian Blokesworth

    dongle wrote "We should be improving their eduction instead of asking their families for more money for this ridiculous tradition!
    ----
    And - why have Graduation Gowns at all? "
    The graduation ceremony is a celebration of an academic acheivement. For most, this is the highest acheivement in their lifetimes. Students and families spend a lot of money on proms (a big big party celebrating nothing). Compared to a high school graduation, even the annual celebration of your age (birthday or "Me" day) is insignificant. I'm not arguing for an expensive costume for the graduation ceremony, but I think that money should be spent where it counts. Skip the birthday cake and presents and celebrate something more significant.

      #2.13 - Fri May 22, 2009 5:28 PM EDT
      mailman8

      Buying caps and gowns?

      In the 1960's we rented the caps and gowns. A vendor supplied them, they all matched and were good quality. They were cleaned between each use. The only thing that was purchased and kept by the student was the tassle. It had a plated metal emblem with school initials and year. Often it was used as a trophy for the rearview mirror.

      Kudos to all the donors who are helping the graduates participate. If the items were rented, the donations could go further. If purchased and kept by the student, they might be good for church choir or a halloween costume party once, but what else?

      • 2 votes
      #2.14 - Sat May 23, 2009 1:08 AM EDT
      United WE Stand

      We had fundraisers at our school to cover some of our "class" expenses. We ran our own football concession stands, sold geraniums and held bake sales. Now, at 35 years post-graduation, we still have some money in the class treasury that we build on at each reunion.

      Graduation is a celebration for the students and their families, regardless of the "substandard" education they might have had. Let them enjoy it, and celebrate their accomplishments!

      • 1 vote
      #2.15 - Sat May 23, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
      one angry taxpayer

      I wholeheartedly agree with you. I graduated in the late 70's, but still had to pay for my cap and gown. To this day I have the tassel, but have no idea what happened to the cap and gown. My son is graduating this June and has already approached the school to see if they will keep their caps and gowns for the next classes, since his class will be the first to graduate from this new school. He also thought it would be a great tradition, for those to pass something onto the next class. Besides, after the amount of money that I paid, he thought it would be wasteful just to sit in a closet and never be worn again. Smart kid for 17!!!

        #2.16 - Sat May 23, 2009 10:12 AM EDT
        Justme1103757

        I agree with your son. Recycle those caps and gowns to the next class. Those who want to keep them can. Many organizations reclcle prom gowns for girls. Multiple High schools with graduations on different days? Could these schools share gowns between them? How about a Home Ec project of making the gowns for the school to use year after year. Our school used the same gowns over and over. you put the gown on just before you marched and you had 1 hour after the ceremony ended ( to take pictures etc)to return it at which point you were handed your real diploma. Don't return the cap and gown, no diploma. There are solutions to the problem with out asking companies to give away profits directly.

          #2.17 - Sun May 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
          Meeche-942560

          I had no idea there was a charge for cap and gowns today. Guess that dates me. My granddaughter graduated from St. Olaf College in Minnesota on Sunday, May 24, 2009. There were 671 graduates. That must be a heap of money for who ever collected for those cap and gowns. Just who is making this profit? Wonder what the college kids have to pay for the gowns. It was an awesome sight to see all those graduates and staff coming into the stadium with the band playing pomp and C., Really made me proud - the graduates cap & gowns were black and there was a flag bearer coming in before them with a huge gold flag and in black letters it said Class of 2009. What a scene.

            #2.18 - Tue May 26, 2009 9:55 AM EDT
            Pam-755791

            Good idea. In addition to the expense, how many of these things end up in the landfill every year? Maybe parents could organize some kind of a "closet" students could access. Those who don't want to keep the gown - turn it in to the "closet". The next year students who don't want to buy one, visit the "closet".

            • 1 vote
            #2.19 - Tue May 26, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
            Kymber-931522

            As the unemployed parent of a graduating senior who didn't have to even rent her cap and gown back in 1982, I'm appauled the school is making the students not only pay for a cap and gown, they are requiring students dress up under the cap and gown. Girls must wear skirts and they can't be denim. Boys must wear black dress pants and they can't be Dockers. It's ridiculous. I had to go to the Salvation Army for help with my rent, I can't afford to be buying a dress my daughter will only wear once that will be covered up and no one will see.

              #2.20 - Tue May 26, 2009 2:40 PM EDT
              Dee-557311

              I work for a community college in Texas, and we have always rented graduation regalia for our students. We only charge $10 for students to apply for graduation, and that's mainly to ensure they commit to coming to the ceremony, so we don't over-order regalia. We do the same for faculty who don't have their own regalia.

                #2.21 - Tue May 26, 2009 2:49 PM EDT
                LaLa-1125236

                Thank You. The cap and gown graduations have extended down to the kindergarten and pre-k level. Money could be spent on more important things.

                  #2.22 - Tue May 26, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
                  lily64

                  fortunately this has not hit our community. Our 5th and 8th grades have mini-graduations, but no caps n gowns, no decorating.

                    #2.23 - Wed May 27, 2009 7:01 AM EDT
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                    SJ from Tacoma

                    There should be no such thing as "graduation costs"! These are free public high schools and this is one thing kids should NOT have to worry about! I am so sick and tired of how the funding for schools in this country goes... and then people wonder why so many other countries are far surpassing us academically. We spend more per pupil... yet have less results!

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#3 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
                    from around the block

                    Dan, I wonder if you would have made any comment if he was white. We held our daughter back a year in 1st grade for two reasons: She was very petite and she was not as mature as most of the other children. My son held my granddaughter back one year in 1st grade because she was diagnosed with dyslexia.

                    Some peoples birthdays fall such that a school district might not let them start. My birthday is in December and the cut off for enrollment in the school I went too was November. So I was almost 6 when I started Kindergarten.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#4 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
                    madmaxine-888753

                    caps and gowns might be a nice gesture, but come on, if people are that hard up, skip em!!!!!!!!!! We get so anal over such non-importat things!!!!!

                    I thought wearing mine was silly, and that was over 35 years ago!!!!!!!!!

                    Nobody exactly wears scholars robes anymore. Maybe it is time to set the "tradition" aside

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#5 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
                    applecheeks

                    You have to have a cap and gown to walk.

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:50 AM EDT
                    anna banana-1120270

                    That's the rule at our high school here too. You need a cap and gown to attend graduation. If you do not have one you are not allowed to graduate with the class!!!

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.2 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
                    Cara-1120389

                    The wearing of a cap and gown is a medal of completion. Schools should buy them outright and "rent" them to succeeding classes if they must recoup the cost of purchase. Higher academia require the wearing of cap and gown at formal school functions and the purchase of a BLACK outfit is wise; it will be worn throughout the professional life (should that be the path chosen by the student). Gowns of color are not used in this arena. Furthermore, the "forced" purchase is never used again and are seldom regarded as memorabilia by most students.

                    • 2 votes
                    #5.3 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT
                    Stacey-Ches, VA

                    It is horrible to someone should not walk due to the GROWING expense of Senior Year. Prom tickets are running $85 per person and then to spend $50 with Jostens on Cap and Gowns is very difficult for anyone unless you are wealthy.

                    ALL SENIORS deserve to participate in this WONDERFUL TRADITION and to say otherwise is IGNORANT. For someone to say "stop this tradition" only shows how de-sensitive we have become as humans and that is just sad.

                    A childs senior year has become this "cash cow" for companies such as Jostens, which we HAD TO USE and the is where the problem is.

                    I agree that the "Cap and Gown" should NOT cost ANY student one penny but should be taken care of via the School and required to be turned back in.

                    I will consider donating my daughter's cap and gown once we are done with it this year because someone just might appreciate it next year.

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.4 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:14 PM EDT
                    dongle

                    In my school district - a student gets to invite a limited number of guests - but - no one pays for a ticket.

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.5 - Fri May 22, 2009 1:22 PM EDT
                    BJs65-634377

                    I have no idea why it is necessary to purchase such a flimsy piece of crap called a graduation gown/cap. I did wear one for my high school graduation, but when I graduated from college, I totally skipped graduation because I wasn't about to pony up for them! I got my degree in the mail and that was it.

                    High school - that is a rite of passage though. Kids should be proud of that achievement (yeah, easy to be cynical about it) but to be forced to pay for the gowns and caps is outrageous. Let the schools rent them out. Who the heck is going to re-wear them?

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.6 - Fri May 22, 2009 1:39 PM EDT
                    thinkstoomuch

                    When I graduated in 1984, ours were rentals. At the ceremony we received empty diploma jackets. The next day, we returned our cap and gown to the school and then were able to pick up our diplomas. Good way to ensure getting them back. We, of course, were allowed to keep the tassles. That's the only part worth keeping anyway. lol

                    • 2 votes
                    #5.7 - Fri May 22, 2009 7:28 PM EDT
                    Katie-1090066

                    We do rent the gowns. The caps are ours to keep. But yes, graduating and paying the cost myself, I thought the fee was ridiculous.

                      #5.8 - Tue May 26, 2009 11:02 PM EDT
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                      J from NJ

                      I have been unemployed and can identify with the choice of paying bills or having a child go to an event which comes once in a lifetime. So, if I wanted to help with a donation how can I

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#6 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:24 AM EDT
                      from around the block

                      I agree. I would also be happy to help.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:29 AM EDT
                      JH-479998

                      I'm sending a check today for $100.00. I talked with a man by the name of Mark at the school district. If you want to help send it to: Community Schools 2720 California Rd., Elkhart, IN 46514. Put "graduation" on your check and he will see that it goes to the right place.

                      • 3 votes
                      #6.2 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
                      oldnewgrad,RN

                      Kindness and generosity beats criticism and hatred everytime. And you are keeping the cap and gown people employed. Good for you that you appreciate and enjoy the monetary blessings your own hard work brought you and aren't afraid to share.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.3 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:58 PM EDT
                      Junecleo

                      I'd just check with your local school district. There are kids in EVERY district who need help with expenses like this. Our district has a fund set up that is there to help kids with field trip money, winter coats, etc. They have bake sales and such to gather money for the fund.

                      I'm sure if you talk to your local principal he/she can direct you where to give money so that a needy student can benefit!

                        #6.4 - Mon May 25, 2009 12:39 PM EDT
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                        Joellen

                        Re-using the cap and gowns are a great idea. When I graduated in 1977, I wore the cap and gown that my neighbor had bought when he graduated in '75. My sister had worn it the year before when she graduated in '76, his brother wore it in '78, and my brother wore it in '88. All we bought new was the tassle. Although none of our folks were 'strapped' for money, they were all practical about this sort of thing. Why buy something when you can borrow it?

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#7 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:24 AM EDT
                        BJs65-634377

                        Excellent idea. As long as the school doesn't go changing the colors! Girls used to wear white while the guys wore the colors in my high school. Now, everyone wears the same color. A few years ago, however, they decided it would be cool to change the team colors a tad so the gowns

                        • 1 vote
                        #7.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 1:44 PM EDT
                        Junecleo

                        That's part of the reason your parents weren't "strapped for cash". Because awhile back people were a lot more sensible about these things and didn't feel they had to own the best of everything when there was something else that would get the job done!

                          #7.2 - Mon May 25, 2009 12:40 PM EDT
                          Ruth Ann-748084

                          Absolutely brilliant!!! And...as someone else said...part of the reason that your parents weren't "strapped for cash"!!! My youngest just received her Masters Degree and luckily, things get a bit cheaper as you advance ( Or maybe she has just gotten wiser now that she is spending her own money)...no pictures,no announcements, just a simple black cap and gown. Her NEXT one will be more expensive...I think Doctorates require a more permanent gown..in the school colors of course!!

                          I think that anyone with a connection to the PTO in their school should make the recommendation that the organization 'buy back" the gowns for a small fee from the graduating classes and then "rent" them to the next classes...save the students money and make a little money for the organization in the process. We are all going to have to start thinking more economically.

                            #7.3 - Tue May 26, 2009 6:54 AM EDT
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                            familyjoool

                            Graduation costs are way out of line. Get the diploma, forgo the pomp and circumstance. Send out announcements. Have a family/friends dinner to celebrate. An overheated, over priced, long running ceremony does not make the achievement any more valuble.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#8 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:25 AM EDT
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                            ColoradoBob

                            So much angst about a ceremony! Maybe we should realize the the payoff is the 12 years of free education and successfully completing the requirements.

                            In actuality, the reward has already been won and the students can be proud without wearing a mortarboard cap and gown. Or if the schools are so worried about image, then the school should buy the costume and reuse them every year for the benefit of the grads. They could probably take some of their athletic budge every year to pay for them.

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                            Reply#10 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:36 AM EDT
                            Ian Blokesworth

                            Is celebrating your birthday every year more important? If money is tight, the students should skip their two proms and save up for the cap&gown.

                              #10.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 5:30 PM EDT
                              thecap0
                              Wrong, wrong, wrong!I retired last year after 42 years of teaching, the last 10 of which were in inner-city Denver.For many of the families of my students, their son or daughter was the first of the family to graduate.Watching their child walk across the stage was a high point of preide in their lives.  NO CHILD should be denied this right, and no family should be deprived of this monment of pride due to lack of money.
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                              #10.2 - Mon May 25, 2009 4:10 PM EDT
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                              judoheidi

                              We didn't wear caps and gowns at my high school graduation and it was fine. They are nice, but really not necessary.

                                Reply#11 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:36 AM EDT
                                Gail-1029846

                                J from NJ. I had the same question: How can I donate? I contacted JoNel Aleccia who wrote the article. She responded with: You can send donations to:

                                Mark Tobolski Principal

                                Elkhart Memorial High School

                                2608 California Road

                                Elkhart, Indiana 46514

                                I feel that he will distribute the donations to those that really need it seeing that he is paying for some of the gowns himself.

                                I feel it is important that a senior has a cap and gown like their peers. I sent a donation today.

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                                Reply#12 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:37 AM EDT
                                dongle

                                Our local school furnishes ( private donations) limited graduation materials to those students they know cannot afford them. Given the cost of rings - they seldom help with those.

                                If you are interested in donating money or materials for Graduation - Check with your local school. In this area we have Faculty Senates. The accept donations to be spent on needy students.

                                In my school area the Faculty Senate doesn't just help with Graduation needs - they buy winter coats for kids that need them. They buy athletic shoes for students who want to join the basketball team but can't afford the shoes. They give food baskets to needy families. At Christmas they have an Assembly in which Santa gives gifts to students who will otherwise have no Christmas Gift.

                                It is interesting - the school - its teachers - especially those who live in the community - are the first to know which families are in trouble and what they need.

                                  #12.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
                                  Judith AMH

                                  I agree with this one! Think locally, act globally. If students learn, as part of their education, that they are citizens of their community then it will become part of their moral code to give back. Help a child learn to read, volunteer at a shelter, run a bake sale with the funds going to summer food baskets. If you don't have money, then you still have time and energy. We all need to move in a positive direction to affect change!

                                    #12.2 - Tue May 26, 2009 9:51 AM EDT
                                    pans76

                                    I called the school last Thursday to see how much money the kids still needed to cover graduation costs. Got and answering machine, left a message and no one has replied yet. Too bad! Our church in Chicago was willing to send whatever money was needed. I guess they are not in that bad of a shape.

                                      #12.3 - Tue May 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT
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                                      anna banana-1120270

                                      Why not have the students who can afford to pay for a gown make a decsion to donate it for those next year who can not afford to buy one? Better yet, I have three graduation gowns and caps sitting in my closet that I would be glad to give to the local high school here where my children graduated. I bet a lot of you out there could do the same thing. Just call your local high school and see if they can use your gowns to help those who are in need of one.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#13 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:37 AM EDT
                                      Paul-350469

                                      It's a good idea, Anna. I think my H.S. cap and gown is still at my parent's house, I'll try to do the same. It's 22 years old, but I only wore it once.

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                                      #13.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT
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                                      Kim-1120273

                                      All of these costs should of been covered from the 4 years those students have been buying year books, and other fund raisers, each class has their own funds being accumulated throughout their 4 years in highschool that should pay for this stuff. At least that's the way we did it. The recession that happened a year ago, should not of effected, I'm really beginning to believe that a lot of businesses and governments are using the recession as an excuse to get away with a lot of BS.

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                                      Reply#14 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
                                      michwake

                                      Geez Dan. If it isn't your kind of story then read something else.

                                      Good for the 19 year old senior. Sounds like he was up against a lot in his short life so far. If his principal has been there for him for his journey and helped with the costs of seeing him achieve one of his dreams then he must be a special person. I'm sure the principal sees lots of kids come and go and yet he believed in this young man.

                                      If he was the first in his family to graduate despite economic hardship, then it took hard work and it was great for to get there. Maybe he can be the first in his family to go to college too. I was the first in my immediate family to get a college degree. I went to a terrific University on scholarships and grants because my economic situation at home wasn't the best and I worked hard for good grades and to do the right things. It paid off. I have a job I love with people I love and it pays well. I am divorced now, but pay for my own house and take of my son with little financial help from his father. I'm 32, with a 9yr old and doing just fine for myself, despite being from MI where our whole economy is in the toilet.

                                      So, don't let people like Dan get you down. If you want something, you have to work at it (as you know), but you CAN do it. Even if it seems like it will take forever, just keep some dreams and go for it. You will get there eventually! It took me a long time, but I am happy where I am at and still have plenty of room to move up when I am ready.

                                      Best of luck!

                                      • 5 votes
                                      Reply#15 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
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                                      from around the block

                                      I have also called our local high school to see if they have any students who might not attend due to financial problems.

                                      Of course I got a recording but I will keep trying.

                                        Reply#16 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:39 AM EDT
                                        griffin2020

                                        Honestly, why should the kids work for something they want, when it can simply be handed to them? The fact that this is even considered newsworthy is a sad statement on our society. There once was a time when, if a student needed money for something they would work to earn that money. There are lots of ways to do so, from mowing lawns, to delivering papers, to flipping burgers. Nowadays, though, it is expected that society will simply hand it to them.

                                        It does not matter if the students are white, green, black, blue or yellow, this attitude seems prevalent.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#17 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:41 AM EDT
                                        SJ from Tacoma

                                        That's a nice thought... have you recently been out there looking for work... not as easy as it sounds... especially for a high-schooler, when there are so many adults looking for the same job. As for newspaper delivery... not sure about where you are from, but here in my area, you now need to have a vehicle and the shifts usually start at 2 in the morning... not very feasible for a young kid going to school. Now on to mowing lawns... with so many unemployed and the ones that are not are cash-strapped... not too many people are willing to pay someone for a chore they can do themselves for free right now.

                                        These are all great ideas... just not as realistic today as they were 20 years ago.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #17.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT
                                        from around the block

                                        As I pointed out to Dan, there are many reports on the difficulty that young people are having finding part time jobs.

                                        I don't think it's a matter of working or not. It's about the pride of graduation, especially if you are the first in your family.

                                          #17.2 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:58 AM EDT
                                          pendragonINpink

                                          If I was broke and in need of money, I would gladly wake up at 1am if that was the only job available to me. There is always a way to make some extra cash, you just have to be willing to work for it. I gave away most of my weekends, waking up at 4am to get through high school and college. Not 20 years ago, but from '00-'06, starting babysitting before I was old enough to legally hold a job. It was hard and it wasn't fun but I had to do it.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #17.3 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:20 PM EDT
                                          oldnewgrad,RN

                                          Oh boy the golden spoon generation who enjoyed the benefits of a reduced birth rate during the Depression and WWII always has to weigh in with their assumptions that everyone else is lazy and profligate. I am glad this young man made it through high school, whether he endangered his studies with a lack of sleep or not. I hope his family has the joy of seeing him attend the ceremony. And even more so I hope he is rewarded with gainful employment. Your pontificating uninformed scolding is unnecessary and will not help any of the struggling young people. Save it.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #17.4 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT
                                          Betz-621265

                                          Exactly my sentiments, griffin2020. Albert White certainly doesn't look undernourished, and he looks able to lift boxes to unload a truck at a retail store (even if only on call). Come on -- we're talking about nine months to plan to earn under $40? Amazing how so many kids have money to play video games, hang out at McDonald's, buy CD's and have a player, etc. It's always the same story, when it comes to "responsibility," they EXPECT someone else to pay.

                                          As a paralegal for many years, I have interviewed hundreds of new clients (many for divorce) and itemized the charge card bills. When asked what was purchased, it was either "I dunno" (denial) or "I had to buy medicine for my [insert relative] or "clothes for the children,"yet balances were often in excess of $10,000 with LOTS of restaurant tabs over $100 [irresponsible spending but let's cry the victim because of a few hundred dollars worth of medicine]. Sorry, but I would need a lot more details before making a donation.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #17.5 - Fri May 22, 2009 1:09 PM EDT
                                          Sandra Lawson

                                          AMEN!! No one hands me money to pay my mortgage, my utilities, my gasoline, or my food. I am a public school teacher and I make my own way. I try to instill in my students that they need to be responsible as well.

                                            #17.6 - Sat May 23, 2009 9:27 AM EDT
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                                            dan-359856

                                            i see everry one that go's agenst this gets deleted.

                                            one way conversation. way to go.

                                              Reply#18 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
                                              Rachel-1122206

                                              Maybe you got deleted because you can't spell and it offends those of us who can.

                                                #18.1 - Sat May 23, 2009 9:18 PM EDT
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                                                Netster

                                                My Josten's order was 95.00. Cap, Gown, 25 announcements and 50 name cards. Now I see that many parents made their own announcements on shutterfly or the computer. They turned out great. When my next two graduate, that's what I'll do as well. I will buy one or two school announcements at .90ea for the memory book. Thats it. Jostens is a rip off!

                                                  Reply#19 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
                                                  thrifty-1122176

                                                  The four Josten's caps and gowns my older children were required to buy for their HS graduation all have a label that says do not wash or dry clean. Two were used last night for a Homeschool Graduation ceremony. I'll pass mine around among my homeschool friends. It's cool if everyone has a different color! It's even more cool to save all that green! There was nothing dignified about any of the public high school graduations I have attended. All the screaming, whistling and shouting detracts from the ceremony.

                                                  Families should not be required to purchase inferior merchandise at inflated prices. There should be competition among manufactures. Families should be permitted to use gowns borrowed from family or friends or purchased at Thrift stores or yard sales.

                                                  It probably didn't cost Jostens more than a dollar or two for the cheap, flimsy material.

                                                    #19.1 - Sat May 23, 2009 8:27 PM EDT
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                                                    UNITY 4LIFE

                                                    Dan-359856, you are such an idiot and a shameless Punk to make such a

                                                    comment about people who have hit hard times to get a job. Tell me this, how

                                                    can a 19 year old student get a job when jobeless rate is already at 18.8%?

                                                    I would think that if any job was to open up, the parents would be first in

                                                    line to apply. If you have a job, you should be thankful and pray that you

                                                    don't hit hard times like people in this article. Also, you pray that this people

                                                    find a job and that this kids make in life instead of trashing them. Times are tough

                                                    and I feel for this kids and their parents during these hard times. I pray that the ecomony

                                                    gets better so the kids will not have to go thru this any longer.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#20 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT
                                                    Mark-306015

                                                    If you want free college just go to Mexico, then come back across the border into California illegally and claim Mexican citizenship. You'll get all the education, medical care and food stamps you need for free from Calif. taxpayers.

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                                                    Reply#21 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:46 AM EDT
                                                    Sandra Lawson

                                                    And gunned down by the drug ganstas!!!

                                                      #21.1 - Sat May 23, 2009 9:29 AM EDT
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                                                      applecheeks

                                                      The high school I work at charges $60-$70 dollars for a cap and gown. They jack up the price as graduation gets closer. The company does donate a few to our homeless kids. But most of our kids are low income, and that is a hefty pricetag for a piece of polyester that will never be worn again.

                                                        Reply#22 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:47 AM EDT
                                                        oldnewgrad,RN

                                                        Perhaps they could be required to privide temporary jobs to a given number of students at the high school...

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                                                        #22.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:42 PM EDT
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                                                        dr1225

                                                        Why pay the exorbitant prices for all the graduation hype anyway? I'm sure nearly all these kids have access to some kind of telephone. Call up all your family members and good friends and tell them when your graduation is. Then walk up there and get your diploma! You have fulfilled all criteria necessary to graduate. The staff can't withhold your diploma. Who needs a cap and gown that you will just use for a Halloween costume next year? Talk it over with your peers and get together on this. Wear a nice outfit, hold your head high and be proud of your accomplishments. Get that diploma and go on to the next phase of your life. You have earned it. Congratulations to all graduating seniors!!!

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        Reply#23 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:49 AM EDT
                                                        from around the block

                                                        Some schools won't let you do that.

                                                          #23.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:05 PM EDT
                                                          dongle

                                                          If a graduation ceremony is held - students have to follow the rules. However - the diploma has to be given to the student - even if he doesn't attend Graduation Ceremonies. Some students pick up their diploma the next day at school.

                                                          And - you can't just call up relatives to attend the Graduation Ceremony. There is limited space in many schools for seating. They give entrance tickets to those the student wants to invite. In order to better accommodate more relatives of students who want to attend - many schools are now holding a morning and an afternoon Graduation Ceremony.

                                                          And - keep in mind - it is the student and the parents who demand both Prom and Graduation Ceremonies. Board Members (who want to get re-elected) force schools to have both these activities because of demand from students and parents.

                                                            #23.2 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT
                                                            lily64

                                                            to "Impossibleme" - I have done each of my kids' senior pics. They ended up being nicer, more candid and the kids loved them. And even with printing cost about $50 vs. the $600 many other parents' spent.

                                                              #23.3 - Wed May 27, 2009 6:53 AM EDT
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                                                              chef8, las vegas n.v

                                                              i was moved by the principals kindness. it seems great caring people are few and far between these days. i have decided to go to the closest high school and offer to do the same. i remember how i felt 22 years ago, as i took my place on stage. i want every kid to get to have those once in a lifetime memories..

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                                                              Reply#24 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:51 AM EDT
                                                              Brenda-1120300

                                                              I hate Jostens and feel that someone needs to do something about the monoboly they have on schools. Why are they the only company that can come in to a school and sell class rings? Why don't the schools set up several tables for different companies and let the students decide themselves? Why are they the only company that will "produce" a yearbook? Again, why doesn't a school have several companies bid each year? And then Jostens hits you up again for graduation. At my son's graduation, if you wanted to walk, you had to order your gown, hat and tassle from Jostens only so that all the students matched. It may not seem like that much but when you also have to pay other bills, plan a small meal for family and friends, and then pay for other end-of-the-year financial commitments - it all adds up.

                                                                Reply#25 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT
                                                                dongle

                                                                Why are they the only company that can come in to a school and sell class rings?

                                                                -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                                They actually do have bids - but - you won't like this - the lowest bidder is not the lowest bidder. It is - the "highest bidder" - the company that gives the school the most money for the privilege of selling students their rings or their yearbooks.

                                                                  #25.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
                                                                  mw121981

                                                                  All public school districts in this country must have open disclosure of finances. School boards should be held fiscally responsible. Attend board meetings. Vote in elections. Schools are only as good as the board members that are elected. It doesn't matter if it is prom, graduation, athletics, or acedemics the local school board members are the ones making the decisions. Hold their feet to the fire until they realize the people are the ones that elected them. This good old boys club needs some rearanging in most places. I have been asked to leave board meeting several times because of tough questions and not giving up when they try to skirt the issue. If everyone makes a point someday there will be changes in how education in the US is achieved.

                                                                    #25.2 - Mon May 25, 2009 1:24 PM EDT
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                                                                    Ima Democrat not a loony liberal

                                                                    Where's the news story here? What happened to simply reporting the news? There's no story here. This is just some goofball journalist inventing news. Of course people are having trouble paying for graduation, they're having trouble paying for everything. More and more you see lazy journalists simply putting news together off of some stupid question. Just yesterday I saw a question on a newspaper website asking if you knew anyone that's been hurt by the economic downturn. Today the same website has a story titled, "We are all hurt by the economic downturn..", well no freakin' sh_t Sherlock you only asked for those who have been hurt, what about those who have not. When is the media going to go back to reporting news instead of inventing it? Probably never but it sure would be nice...

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                                                                    Reply#26 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
                                                                    dongle

                                                                    Hang around a school - near the end of the year. You will find that there is no news in that school community - except - Prom and Graduation during that time.

                                                                    Both students and parents take it very seriously. They spend large amounts of money on their kids Prom. An expensive dress for the girl - a Tux for the boy. A LIMO for both - an expensive meal afterward - and - yes - a motel room after.

                                                                      #26.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
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                                                                      Carla-31286

                                                                      I am baffled by this article and subsequent responses. We are raising a generation of kids who think they are entitled, and they are becoming dependant on parents, government, schools, hand-outs, and others to take care of everything for them. My question is, why don't the students get a job to help pay for their own things? Mow yards, clean houses. My son had a job all through high school to pay for his insurance. It taught him responsibility and gave him pride. We are enabling these students to become victims with a sense of entitlement.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      Reply#27 - Fri May 22, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
                                                                      SJ from Tacoma

                                                                      Please see my above response regarding this exact subject.

                                                                        #27.1 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
                                                                        from around the block

                                                                        Boy, you missed the entire point of the article. Or maybe you just alway want to be negative.

                                                                        Why are you writing your story here about your son if things like this aren't newsworthy?

                                                                          #27.2 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:02 PM EDT
                                                                          Deena-620321

                                                                          My parents taught me that also. I have taught my kids as well. In some of our schools, particularly the community college, we have a drive after graduation to collect caps and gowns to clean and reuse in future graduations for those who need help.

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                                                                          #27.3 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:30 PM EDT
                                                                          oldnewgrad,RN

                                                                          Action speaks louder than words. Good work. Good thinking.

                                                                          Please all you haters hire a young black man to do work in your home so they can make money. And try to at least pay minimum wage.

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                                                                          #27.4 - Fri May 22, 2009 12:46 PM EDT
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