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ConsumerMan: Fake check scams spread

Wed May 27, 2009 6:04 PM EDT
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Susan Grant, director of consumer protection for the Consumer Federation of America (CFA), gestures during a news conference at the National Press Club in Washington, Wednesday, May 27, 2009, to discuss the results of a new CFA survey. The survey says one third of adults have been approached with fake check scams and at least 1.3 million people have become victims. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

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— To a con artist, cash is king. International scammers have developed a deviously clever way to trick people into sending them cash. The crooks mail out counterfeit checks or money orders and come up with a creative story to get their victims to wire back thousands of dollars.

According to a survey released Wednesday by the Consumer Federation of America (CFA), nearly a third of all adult Americans have been approached with fake check scams and at least 1.3 million have fallen for it.

“They didn’t realize the pitch and the check were both phony until they wired off the money,” says Susan Grant, CFA’s director of consumer protection. She says the average victim gets taken for between $3,000 and $4,000.

Sally Greenberg, executive director of the National Consumers League, puts the yearly loss at $20 to $60 billion a year. Her group runs the Web site fakechecks.org. “These are very persuasive scams that play on people’s vulnerability,” she says.

Here’s another reason so many people get burned by these counterfeit checks: They look legitimate. “They look so real your bank teller can’t always tell it’s a fake,” says Allison Southwick of the Better Business Bureau.

It starts with that bogus check or money order
Why did you get that unexpected check or money order for thousands of dollars? Maybe you’ve won a contest. Maybe you hit the jackpot in a lottery. Maybe it’s payment for a work-at-home job. The storylines are varied, but the con always works the same way. You need to deposit the check and wire off most of the money right away.

“Once it’s wired it’s gone, gone, gone,” Greenberg says.

The CFA survey pinpoints one reason why this scam is so successful. Most people (59 percent of those responding) mistakenly believe that when you deposit a check or money order, your bank confirms that it is good before letting you withdraw the money. Forty percent believed they would not be held responsible if the check or money order turned out to be counterfeit. Wrong!

Many victims tell me they asked their bank if the check “cleared” before they wired the money and were told yes. Here’s the deal: When a bank says a check has cleared, it means you have access to those funds. It does not mean the check is good.

If the check bounces – which could take a few days or many weeks – you are responsible to repay your bank for any of the money you withdrew.

Bogus checks can be used for almost anything. All the bad guys need to do is concoct a story about why they sent you a sizeable check and why you need to cash it and wire them money.

Here are some of the most common fake check scam scenarios:

Prize and lottery scams
“Congratulations!” the letter says. You’ve won a bundle of money in a contest, sweepstakes or foreign lottery – one you never entered. The letter looks official and comes with a check for thousands of dollars. You’re supposed to cash it and wire off the money to pay for outstanding fees or taxes. Don’t do it!

Reality check: You never have to pay to claim a prize. If you’re asked to wire off any money, it’s a scam. More on this scam.

Mystery shopper scam
You answer an ad and are accepted as a secret shopper. Your first assignment is to evaluate the MoneyGram payment system at a local Wal-Mart store. The letter tells you to cash the enclosed check – usually between $2,500 and $5,000 – keep a couple of hundred dollars for yourself and use the MoneyGram service to wire off the rest. Don’t do it!

Reality check: Never accept a job that requires you to cash a check and wire money. No legitimate company would ever make you do this. More on this scam.

Overpayment purchase scam
You’re trying to sell something that’s fairly expensive, maybe a car or some furniture. So you place an ad in the newspaper or online. Before long you get an e-mail from an eager buyer who is willing to send you a check for more than the asking price. You’re supposed to wire the extra money to a mover, decorator, shipping company or some other non-existent entity. Don’t do it!

Reality check: You’re being set up. No legitimate business transaction involves a check for more than the asking price with the requirement that you wire the difference to some person or company. More on this scam.

Other victims
Innocent businesses are also hurt by the fake check scam. Many of these bogus checks use the name, address and bank account number of legitimate companies.

This increases the chance the teller will accept the check. Try to deposit a big check from the El Gordo Lottery and the teller might start asking questions. But a check from Bob’s Auto Supply doesn’t call attention to itself.

“Often businesses don’t even know their checks are being used in these scams until they get angry calls from people who want to know where their prize money is,” says the BBB’s Southwick tells me.

A few months ago, I warned you about con artists sending out counterfeit Publisher’s Clearinghouse prize notices – along with fake prize checks. Some of those fake checks listed the payer as Alpine Environmental Services of Stanwood, Wash.

When the bank realized Alpine’s account number had been stolen it locked up the company’s accounts. The company’s manager, Dennis Dutoit, tells me he could not pay any bills for three days until everything was straightened out. “It created a major mess,” he says.

The bottom line
It’s not very hard to protect yourself from these fake check scams. In fact, Carmen Christopher, an attorney with the Federal Trade Commission, was able to sum it up in one sentence. “If you get a check that requires you to wire money – don’t do it!”

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christine-1128103

I have received two checks claiming a refund to me from a stock that I may or may not have purchased in the past. However, the fine print reads that if I cash the check I could be held for deficits should the stock falter. NO thanks...

    Reply#1 - Wed May 27, 2009 8:37 PM EDT
    ScamVictim

    Every word said this article is true. I went through one of this scam in the mid summer of 2006. I cannot believe how I was wrapped around emotionally by someone. Complete story “is As is” without any superficial gesture, guess of fabrication:

    In mid summer of 2007, I put all of my furniture out for sale in . I received three responses right away. Out of all these one was local - who came with money to see furniture in my house. This person did not want it. Two others were from out of state. One offer came from Canada and the other from LA.

    The one from Canada dropped me an email saying he is very interested in buying my furniture. He has a matching chair looks like my Sofa Couch. I bought only Couch Sofa not any other matching love seat or individual chair. This person from Canada, started wrapping me around with "Happy Feelings" that he wants to pay me whatever the cost but sale him my sofa. He continued with interest and sends me a check of large around covering full cost plus $1500 additional. He said to me that I will send $1500 using Western Union to him. The check worth $2300.00 came to me from Rochester, Minnesota. I did exactly what he said to me.

    After I deposited check he sends me in my bank, I transmitted him $1500 using Western Union. I gave him transmission code number that he will need to withdraw money using any Western Union in / around Rochester Minnesota. Now it was time for a shipping company to pick up my furniture. I waited for them as well as waited for a call from this person from Canada. 4 hours passed by, I did not see any emails from this person from Canada or none of the shipping company called me at all. I started thinking very quick and called Western Union 1 800 hotline to put hold on this transaction. Operator told me ‘There is nothing he can do to prevent from money being withdrawn.” Western Union asked me for Social Security Number and checked my background. After found no prior history of any wire transfer from me, all of a sudden operator connected me with their security department. The lady on the phone just told me flatly that “Sir don’t you know that you are just about become Money Laundering Victim?” The transaction performed seems a perfect scam and she will put hold on it. I said go for it, she advised me to check with my bank and inform them to cancel all transactions related to this deal. I ran to my bank and did what this security officer lady said. The bank said to me, “they were just a minute away from calling for depositing fake check in my account. I went immune, my heart beat went higher. I literally went in mild stroke”.

    After I finished all cancellation formalities, I dropped an email to this scammer from Canada that entire transaction is cancelled. Western Union will not disburse money to you if you try. He started giving me emotional story of his son is in hospital and he needs money. His wife was about to go to Western Union to withdraw. I told him don’t try else you will be apprehended. He started giving me threats and all kinds of guilt. He started accusing me of taking “HIS MONEY” away that he needs for his son’s hospital coverage. I ignored him completely. I have a copy of the check he sent. I went ahead to investigate what he did and how he did?

    Number one: I found check was mailed from Rochester, Minnesota.
    Number two: Then the check’s addressed was somewhere in Baltimore, Maryland - Bank of America at the gas station. I called in local police using zip code from address mentioned in the check. I found nothing exists in that particular address as mentioned on the check. Mostly everyone I came in contact in regards to find facts about this check said to me I am forced to involve myself in scam, and they asked me contact FBI right away. Right at these moments this person from Canada send me another email with a name of FBI agent from Virginia office somewhere with FBI logo in the email. I went in double shock but was very well in control of myself. I started receiving calls from him threatening me an FBI agent is just about to come over to apprehend me of taking his money. After little later when he called - I started enjoying his lies since FBI have lot more critical jobs to do instead of coming over to apprehend me for money just around $2300 total. I said to him that you are committing a “VERY SERIOUS” crime bringing FBI’s and name of an agent. I called in FBI’s agent verification hotline in Quantico, VA and found no one even exist with that name in entire operation of FBI. I got so tired on that day; I crashed on the bed and woke up 4 hours later when my wife came home. In general I never sleep in afternoon.

    My wife came back from work and found out all about it. She went in a little surprising shock seeing how perfect crime was committed as well as I am not a part of it. Soon she found out that I was victimized instead when she saw me gathering all possible location of this particular person.

    I have had trails of his email and I still have them all. Every email comes in with the IP address where it was originated from. IP Addresses of all emails are hidden in email’s header. After I found IP addresses of this Canadian buyer - I plugged that IP address in Yahoo search bar and came across shock of a million dollars. All emails were originated from Nigeria’s 4 different locations. One even came from the lake located in Nigeria. Seems like he was cruising having fun a sun in the boat while shocking me all over. After gathering all possible evidences I called in FBI to report this crime. They said no damage is done at all so they cannot take file any complaints. I sure can help them if I give them all details of this scam. Then FBI Agent kept continued saying since I navigated myself in this scam to prove my innocence. If I have all information, therefore the only one thing I can do is, drop all evidences on their website for future references as well as in case reading detail upon more scams comes in light FBI can follow my lead as well as can advice other how to handle these types of scams. FBI agent them gives me URL to their website where I can drop all fact I found in my mission. Finally he praised me saying I resolved lots of my problems myself navigating in to this crime, and thanked me. After getting over with this case I still had some more work to do. I tried to see where the third one called and emailed me about buying my furniture with same style – I found the same IP Addresses locations were not too far from this Canadian buyer who supposedly from Canada.

    Why was I selling my furniture on Criaglist.com? I was paralyzed partially from Left waist down all the way to my left foot and was home from March to Nov 2006. I needed money to pay off bills. God saw me doing right thing instead of take the money and run. God saved me from getting victimized. I knew he will take care of my family. God blessed me and I got out of it without any problems.

    After few months down the road around Feb 2007 – I received an anonymous call from somewhere in world. The call came from some operator, the first thing he said when I picked up the phone. “Sir, can you please verify that everything I say will be recorded. Then I heard the same voice as calls were coming in from someone claiming himself from Canada. This person said me, “I have the wrong person, I said to him – I am not interested in talking to any stranger on the phone, please come to my home since you have my address. My local police, FBI and my bank is waiting for you.” And I hanged up the phone.

    Right after another three months in June 2007, God blessed me and landed a job that pays over $114,000 per year. All of my bills are paid off at present in 2009. One more bill to go and I am Bills free for long time to come. I learned a very hard lesson learned of a life time, not to get involved in stranger’s problems.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Thu May 28, 2009 6:12 AM EDT
    RJE-367644

    Sounds more like the security lady at Western Union is the god. If it wasn't for her, you'd be up the creek, huh?

    • 2 votes
    #2.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT
    Auzziegirl

    Phew! After reading all that I need a nap and, in general, I never sleep in the afternoon! LOL!

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Thu May 28, 2009 7:20 PM EDT
    16floz470ml

    How can you have a job that pays so well and at the same time be so stupid? Do you work for the government by any chance?

    • 3 votes
    #2.3 - Fri May 29, 2009 12:21 AM EDT
    alise42

    A similar thing happened to a very close friend of mine: having been laid off, he was pretty desperate, and was thrilled to have won one of the sweepstakes he is always entering. The woman at the Western Union came to his rescue before he wired the cash. The bank was nice enough to cancel the deposited fraud check, with no sort of penalty. And no Diety was involved.

      #2.4 - Fri May 29, 2009 7:08 PM EDT
      B. Coutant

      Hey 16floz... I was thinking the same thing. I wish I had $3,000 to send a scammer...

        #2.5 - Fri May 29, 2009 9:09 PM EDT
        Lee-453088

        Being desparate does not excuse one from getting "free money" for nothing. I am glad no harm came to ScamVictim, but there have been warnings for YEARS not to cash checks and take money for no reason other than you have a check in your hand that's worth alot of money.

          #2.6 - Fri May 29, 2009 10:56 PM EDT
          Darthfrodo

          'How can you have a job that pays so well and at the same time be so stupid?'

          I think she's setting us up.

          Careful if you get a check from 'ScamVictim'.

            #2.7 - Sat May 30, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
            dave20121

            1.3 million adults out of 200 million. .65% of the adult American population confirmed ignorant. Amazing!

              #2.8 - Sat May 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT
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              telmom32

              I am not surprised at the extent scammers will go to defraud people of their money. These sorts of crime are timeless and sadly the scammers are very savvy and the scams come in the most ordinary of situations.

              We have gotten to the point where we discuss no financial information on the phone. We had a call the other day from some entity requesting information on our debit card. They asked for information that the bank should have had and I quickly grew suspicious and declined the conversation. I called the number on the back of my card and found they were indeed checking to see if an unauthorized user had made purchases. It seems my husband and I used our cards at virtually the same moment in different parts of town. I absolutely appreciate the bank for proactive measures it is just a shame that there are so many out there who would steal that trust is an issue.

              In a separate situation we had information, banking, credit as well as my husbands ID stolen in a ID theft scam. They had the information from the cash purchase of a car. Someone at the dealership had everything they needed to duplicate the checks and write almost $10,000 in bad checks over a holiday weekend. Largely at Wal-Mart. The case was never investigated, the explanation being the money stolen was too little to bother and the bank would refund the stolen money. I did some investigation on my own to find that most of the funds went through Wal-Mart, at registers that had no camera coverage for amounts that were well over their policy limit for exploration. Wal-Mart offered no help at all and Harris County Sheriffs Department did nothing with the information we gave them.

                Reply#3 - Thu May 28, 2009 9:26 AM EDT
                Lee-453088

                I had a similar situation. Our credit card called my house to check on fraudulent activity. Being suspicious, I hung up the phone and called the 800 number on the back of the card. The call was indeed for real. They were checking on a charge that I had made that was not fraudulent.

                I was pleased the card was so proactive. Still, I told the gal at the credit card company that I would NEVER give out information if they called me. I will always call them back.

                I had another call last week about a credit card. They wanted me to call the number and give them my information. I never even called back and my card is fine. That was probably a scam of some sort.

                  #3.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 10:59 PM EDT
                  Alykatma

                  New robocall scam... Just had a call saying my debit card is inactivated. I knew it was a scam because only my family has my cell phone number. So I dialed one and gave them fake card number, expiration date and pin number.... all zero's. The nice robolady says my card has been reactivated! Everyone should do this and load down these scammers with tons of fake info! My husband also had one of these calls.

                    #3.2 - Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:57 PM EDT
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                    Tim-479090

                    It amazes me how gullible people are.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#4 - Thu May 28, 2009 9:43 AM EDT
                    dongle

                    Not me - I have worked with children, teens and adults. Not all - many are very smart - but - a goodly number are extremely unintelligent. Definitely in need of laws that protect them from dishonest people.

                    At lunch I could often convince teenagers that they had eaten desert when they had not. I witnessed an incompetent Principal convince several staff members that he schools problems was due to their incompetence.

                    Once I sold a hillside lot to a man and wife. Just to see if I could - I convinced them to give me $25,000.00 in cash. No purchase agreement - no deed - no lawyers involved.

                    No problem at all - for the record - I had a lawyer write a deed for them.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 9:14 PM EDT
                    Lee-453088

                    I think there's some greed mixed into the situation. If someone thinks they can get money for nothing, there will always be a taker.

                      #4.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 10:59 PM EDT
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                      Tim Pheil

                      The Nigerian princes have been busy. I recently sold something on craigslist. I got hundreds of these emails. So I started forwarding the offers to other scammers asking if this person was sitting next to them in the Internet cafe.

                        Reply#5 - Thu May 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT
                        Tim Pheil

                        My favorite spam of all time had the subject line of "What would you do if you died?" aahh, Rot?

                        • 1 vote
                        #5.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT
                        B. Coutant

                        Funny.

                          #5.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 9:11 PM EDT
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                          Sneakers

                          We've listed multiple items on Craigslist for sale and the scammers are running 5-1 on replies. "We have to have that item- don't have time to look at it - money/shipping costs are no object." Give me a break.

                          Also had debit card numbers stolen and as I only use that for bill paying haven't figured out who had a party and overdrew my account while we're losing our home. - POND SCUM. Only one of the companies involved shipped the merchandise and they're dunning me for 5 watches. I hope they're not holding their breath- if I can't buy food - I'm not buying watches for friends. Still waiting for the police report so that I don't have to pay for them (or be hounded about it) The bank didn't pay out anything because I was able to report the fraudulent use immedicately. One of the merchants called to verify the shipping address on new video equipment that I hadn't purchased online.

                          What is really disheartening is the number of bottom feeding low lifes that go after people who are already in trouble and desperate.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#6 - Thu May 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
                          Lee-453088

                          My neighbor had a credit card problem. Someone got his number and name and made HUGE charges to his account. The FBI said there are companies in Europe that will just keep running numbers with names and sometimes they will get it right. That's what happened to my neighbor.

                          Call your credit card company. You should not be charged for false charges.

                          God speed to you.

                            #6.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:02 PM EDT
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                            Jimbo 427103

                            It is no secret that Nigeria is behind this sort of thing.. It has been widely publicised over the past couple of years that the government of Nigeria is behind a lot of it as the economy there is worse then we can imagine.. They have made fleecing gullible Americans an art form and people still continue to fall for it..

                            I have recieved a number of these e-mails over the years and I reply that thier "request" / "offer" has been forwarded to Interpol.. I actually do this and very rarely do I get anything from that particular scammer again.. I don't know what if anything Interpol can do but it seems to work for me..

                              Reply#7 - Thu May 28, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
                              RJE-367644

                              Did you read about the Australian internet security man that got a phone call from a Nigerian? I can't remember where I read it (maybe CNET?), but they had quite an interesting conversation. The Nigerian sounted quite intelligent, and admitted it was a scam, but after a lengthy conversation explaining how "it's my job, etc.", he asked the Aussie if he could send him some money anyway! Absolutely true.

                                #7.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT
                                Emanuel-0684

                                I once applied for a job online and within a few days got 3 money orders. Then a few days later an email from the address I replied to saying "Our client notified us that he sent you some checks...we had an accident and urgently need you to forward the money to us. Please keep $300 for your trouble, the checks should clear within 3 business days". So I ignored him, then a few days later I got an email asking if I was trying to steal their company's money. I replied saying no, I was just waiting to hear back from the FBI where I reported the attempt.

                                Have had the craigslist scam too. Was selling my computer, and this person from somewhere in California offered to buy it - he must have thought I was really stupid though. He said he'd pay me via US Postal Money order then sent me an email that looked sooooo fake saying this was a confirmation that the money order had been bought/mailed/sent - whatever and that it was safe for me to send the item.

                                He then sent me a UPS mailing label and even gave me directions to my local UPS store (I know where my damn UPS store is)!

                                From the get-go I knew it was a fake but I was trying to trap him (by getting his address). Turns out the address he used was for a house that was up for sale which I found out when I googled it. I thought about mailing a box and notifying the authorities of when to expect it/him but I didn't feel up to it that day.

                                  #7.2 - Thu May 28, 2009 5:09 PM EDT
                                  Lee-453088

                                  I've begun to email them back or email the website that is affiliated and tell them I know they are scamming me and I've informed the FBI. And I report them as often as I can. It takes some effort, but who's going to stop it if we don't?

                                  That was after about my 30th email saying some dude inherited some money and only I could help him.

                                  Gee, what was my first clue it was a scam? He called me by the name on my email, not my REAL name. That's just irritating to me.

                                    #7.3 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:04 PM EDT
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                                    J. W. Welch

                                    One indication of scams from some foreign countries is their amusing grasp of English.

                                    I particularly like the one addressed to "Dearest Beloved in Christ." Or the ever popular "My husband/wife died from cancer and I want to share his/her inheritance with you."

                                    The bottom line is if I had won or somehow gotten all the money offered to me online I'd be loaning it to the U. S. Govt at 29.99% interest and making a killing.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    Reply#8 - Thu May 28, 2009 11:01 AM EDT
                                    Lee-453088

                                    You're right. I've seen some scammers with an interesting grasp of the English language. And I love it when I get "Dear Sir." Really? Last I checked, my parts were female!

                                      #8.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:06 PM EDT
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                                      Zach-815585

                                      Why would anyone accept a check for more than the requested amount and with a request that you cash the check and wire back the difference? I don't care what excuse was given for why the excess amount was sent, the fact that they are asking for money back should be a clear sign of danger. In that regards, and I know it sounds mean spirited, I have no sympathy towards victims of these sorts of scams. Failure to use common sense comes with a cost, and the lost of YOUR MONEY is the price YOU pay.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#9 - Thu May 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
                                      alise42

                                      I don't think the point of the article was to elicit sympathy for the scammed, Zach. The point was that these scammers are often so smooth that you never 'feel the knife'. Even those that do have "common sense" get taken.

                                        #9.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 7:22 PM EDT
                                        Lee-453088

                                        I don't think everyone is totally blindsided. I think there's some greed involved. Even the first posting above, the man admits he was desparate when his check came.

                                          #9.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT
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                                          RJE-367644

                                          I also ran a Craigslist ad - for computer repair. I got a reply from a guy in a nearby town who wanted me to work on 7 laptops. I gave him a price for the specified work, then wrote about sending me a certified check - before I ever saw the computers. THAT seemed odd from the start. When I stated that I could pick-up & deliver the laptops for a small $20 fee, he said no, he'd have them sent (how can you do that for less than $20?) but "there's a problem with the certified check". When I said I wasn't concerned about payment until the work is done, that's the last I heard from him. Shortly after, I heard from another person doing similar repair work about this type of scam. Good thing I wasn't "born yesterday"!

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#10 - Thu May 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT
                                          2 kids,1 dog, and a howitzer cannon

                                          We provide registered German Shepherd stud service and advertise in different ways. One person pre-paid by sending me a check for 1300.00, and asked me to send the $300 to a relative of his in desperate need right away. I deposited the check, and did not send the $300 through wireless. As to my expectations, the check bounced. Glad I had 1/2 a brain anyway.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #10.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT
                                          Lee-453088

                                          We sell many things on Craigslist. Bottom line rule at our house: if you don't come out and see it, we aren't selling it to you.

                                            #10.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT
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                                            Gordon-465672

                                            Let's be real, the only reason 90% of the "gullible" people respond is they see a way to make a buck or 2 or get rich quick without doing anything. People are lazy and greedy and those traits develop emotions that are far greater than common sense.

                                            • 4 votes
                                            Reply#11 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:00 PM EDT
                                            Zach-815585

                                            Gordon: I do believe you are right. However, I find it too frightening to accept there are that many "gullible" adult Americans walking around with no common sense. So precisely why 1.3 million Americans fell prey to those scams remains well beyond my comprehension.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #11.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT
                                            cuzzenbud

                                            Old as this scam is, and as many stories about people getting burned for falling for such scams, you would think most of the 1.3 million Americans that are still getting burned by these scams have seen or read about it somewhere.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #11.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 12:23 AM EDT
                                            alise42

                                            cuz; they all believe "it couldn't happen to them", after reading and laughing about it happening to someone else.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #11.3 - Fri May 29, 2009 7:24 PM EDT
                                            Lee-453088

                                            I agree with Gordon. Greed DOES play a part. These scams have been around for years and there's been warnings about them for years.

                                            I'm NEVER surprised to see how many people walk around with zero common sense, though. Don't you ever watch those "stupid criminal" shows? The world is filled with dummies.

                                              #11.4 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:15 PM EDT
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                                              eblaw2006

                                              What the article fails to mention is the people hurt whose checking account numbers and identities are stolen. My checking account number and former address were used in one of these scams. Fortunately, the person who received my "check" was astute enough to know it looked suspicious and called my bank. The bank called me and immediately closed my account. Although no money was lost, I lost considerable time having to open a new account, I lost money having to purchase new checks, and I lost time having to update all of my online payment information. So it's not just the gullible people who cash these fake checks, these scams hurt others, as well.

                                                Reply#12 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:06 PM EDT
                                                Susan-513770

                                                I am so incredibly lucky, daily I win or are otherwise eligible to receive millions and millions! I get the "Beloved in Christ" ones where someone needs me to help them distribute a small fortune to charity for which I'll receive six figures . Heck, even Bernie Maddoff's wife contacted me yesterday to help her loot their overseas secret holdings! Frequently I find the origination of the e-mails is a US university (***.edu) or from some kind of civil servant hard at work (***.gov or ***.org). I am anal enough that I will find the organization on the internet, note their IT department contact and forward the e-mail to them for them to deal with their own users. Other times I'll reply back to them with my own Mississipi swamp land deal requesting their names, DOB, DL #, SS#, all bank account #'s, addresses, home, work and cell phone #'s, as well as the same info for all of their siblings, their parents, children and pets. Other times reply telling them that I am watching them and their Mommy will cry when she sees what I do to them. Most days, I just delete them. The thing about these and all of the scams throughout the centuries is that they play on that human vice present in all of us: GREED. Every single one of us, in the dark recesses of our minds, want to win the lottery, a huge lawsuit settlement, marry a fabulously rich royal from a foreign land, find hidden treasure, etc. Guess what folks: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck . . . .

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                                                Reply#13 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT
                                                macaddict

                                                You and I have the same sense of humor.

                                                That's a scary thought.

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                                                #13.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
                                                Lee-453088

                                                Here. Here. I'm not anal, like you Susan. I'm paranoid!!

                                                  #13.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:16 PM EDT
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                                                  Pj1m

                                                  people caught doing this should be put in blocks in the city square for 3 months.

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                                                  Reply#14 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT
                                                  macaddict

                                                  no, that's too good for them.

                                                  They should take these poor excuses for human beings, and shoot them in the head.

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                                                  #14.1 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
                                                  Lee-453088

                                                  Unfortunately, many of these people are in other countries.

                                                    #14.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:17 PM EDT
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                                                    lexiwords-1

                                                    Many of those taken are older. I know some who were taken b/c a local preacher felt the scam was legit.---oops He was court ordered to repay everyone who was fleeced.

                                                    I generally let themknow I'm sending them to either the
                                                    FBI or Interpol. I also ask them what makes them think i do not have the power to turn them into Zombies, vampires, etc. Nigerians tend to be very superstitious and it amuses me to hint at what is as real as the $$$ they offer.

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                                                    Reply#15 - Thu May 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT
                                                    Mike-1084314

                                                    Craigslist is famous for scams and come on job opportunities, what do you expect?

                                                      Reply#16 - Thu May 28, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
                                                      Don Stockstill

                                                      These scammers prey on two types of persons. One of them is unempoyed land behind on payments and feels that he has to take what looks like an easy way to acquire needed funds. The other type are ones who have such a great love of money that they will do whatever it takes to acquire it. These ones are easy to fool. People should watch their business transactions and pass up an opportunity that seems too good to be true. If it seems to good to be true, then it is unlikely that it is true. Enough said!!

                                                        Reply#17 - Thu May 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT
                                                        Lee-453088

                                                        What interests me is why people even open some of these emails. I can tell from the subject line they are a scam. I just delete them automatically.

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                                                        #17.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:18 PM EDT
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                                                        dogmeat

                                                        If it weren't for American greed, and the concept of easy money that American's pride themselves in , these many many scams would not be able to happen.

                                                        As a company we get scam letters faxed to us all the time from nigeria in particular. The dollar figures are alot larger and the sob stories more contrived, but the terrorist financiers from nigeria continue.

                                                        FBI can and will do nothing. We already went that route too...so we don't even forward them to the FBI anymore.

                                                        And because of this we do not and will not do any business with Africa. Recently on I believe Dateline exposed one of the product reship scammers from Nigeria. Even they had no way to prosecute once they did find him. The most that came out of their show was the fact that some of those scammers have moved to other neighboring countries.

                                                        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17697615/

                                                        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8171053/

                                                          Reply#18 - Thu May 28, 2009 5:34 PM EDT
                                                          Debbie Zwirtz

                                                          Yeah-I get an average of 5-6 NIGERIAN letters in my junk mail every day. I sent them to the feds once or twice, but they're tired of them too. For awhile I kept a folder on my computer, because I actually found the stories AMUSING; even though basically they were very similar. Everyone is trying to SNEAK millions out of the country-and they need your help.... I think their ONLY industry is computer centers with folks cranking out these letters! Not much difference between them and the pirates in Somalia-except 'choice of weapons'

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                                                          #18.1 - Sat May 30, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
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                                                          Rob-1059971

                                                          Hey Dogmeat, I do agree wholeheartedly that it is greed that drive these people to lose their money. All the stories that are relayed in these scams have big red flags. If someone offers you way more compensation then normal, duh! That said I think your sad commentary that it's the result of American greed is unsubstantiated by the numbers. The article says a third of American adults have been contacted with such scams. It also says that 1.5 million have lost money. The US Census Bureau estimates there are 229.5 million adults today. 1/3 would be 76.5 million. 1.5 million would be 1.9 percent of those adults who say they have been contacted with a scam. That would indicate that 98.1 percent did not take the bait. I think that indicates that Americans as a whole are not easily duped. Have more faith in your fellow Countryman Dogmeat. 

                                                            Reply#19 - Thu May 28, 2009 7:37 PM EDT
                                                            MikeCno1

                                                            Hey Rob,

                                                            There is one minor mistake in your numbers... you are assuming the CFA's numbers are an accurate assessment. Like any general census, a small sample base is used and then the % are used to illustrate the “entire” adult population. Also we have to take into account that the CFA is talking about a very limited type of "scam" the fake check scam. There are so many types of $ scams that people fall for. Lottery ticket scams, Mortgage refinance scams, Boiler room investment scams, work from home scams, you won a cruise, you won a vehicle all you got to do is show up to claim the prize as they try to hard sell you something. Ever hear of a Toner Phoner, office supply scam that generates an estimated $200 million a year. Dare I say mail order brides? For the last 50 years we have been trained to feel and not think in order to be a good consumer. The airways are littered with gameshows, lotteries and whatnot to feel easy money is all around us. That makes for so many suckers, so little time. Sometimes it’s a ponzi scheme, even legit ones…how’s your 401K doing? Sometimes the biggest scams don’t involve our pockets directly…2008 Stimulus package or WMD anyone. So I would be a little hesitant to say 98.1% don’t take the bait.

                                                              #19.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
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                                                              Kelly-536311

                                                              If you fall for this type of scam it can only be one of two things, GREED or STUPIDITY.

                                                              I have no pity for anyone who is taken in these scams. Nothing is free and unfortunately this just shows the amount of idiots we have in this country.

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                                                              Reply#20 - Thu May 28, 2009 7:48 PM EDT
                                                              cuzzenbud

                                                              The only people I feel sorry for is the elderly people who get caught up in these scams. They are the most vulnerable to the heartless criminals who run them. Other then that, I agree with your statement totally Kelly.

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                                                              #20.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 12:31 AM EDT
                                                              Lee-453088

                                                              These types of scams are not new. I remember watching the old Unsolved Mysteries program and they had people in our country that scammed others in the same way. They just did it face to face.

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                                                              #20.2 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:20 PM EDT
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                                                              pdiddleysquat

                                                              I got a "prize winnings" check in the mail for 46,000.00. It had watermarks, looked legitimate. I shredded it because I don't enter stupid mail sweepstakes. ;)

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                                                              Reply#21 - Thu May 28, 2009 8:06 PM EDT
                                                              Lee-453088

                                                              I once one a trip to Florida I never entered. When they called I imagined myself disappearing in crocodile country never to be seen again.

                                                                #21.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:21 PM EDT
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                                                                cuzzenbud

                                                                Common sense should tell a person that if someone sends you a check out the blue, for whatever reason, and in return you have wire money back to someone, then it's obviously a scam. Every time I hear stories like this it just upsets me that someone (Not including elderly people) could be this gullible.

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                                                                Reply#22 - Fri May 29, 2009 12:15 AM EDT
                                                                Lee-453088

                                                                Unless the check is from my grammy on my birthday or for a refund I'm aware of, it goes in the garbage!

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                                                                #22.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
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                                                                Too bad, so sad!

                                                                Craig's List is the motherlode for these scammers. Besides the fake responders trying to "buy" your stuff, probably 60% of the jobs posted are money-laundering schemes, identity thieves, and spammers posting to collect e-mail addresses.

                                                                The English is dreadful, the posting screams SCAM, but people are out of work and often get desperate enough to get taken.

                                                                  Reply#23 - Fri May 29, 2009 12:31 AM EDT
                                                                  Lee-453088

                                                                  Desperation is no excuse for theft. And I don't think that makes them innocent victims, either.

                                                                    #23.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
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                                                                    tdk022755

                                                                    I don't believe nothing when it comes to money. I don't give money to anybody except the charities that I donate to. When I get that kind of junk in the mail, it goes right into the recycle bin.

                                                                      Reply#24 - Fri May 29, 2009 1:07 AM EDT
                                                                      kflann

                                                                      Darn you mean this check from the Kazakstan lottery is no good. And I was gonna retire after I sent them the 1 million dollar processing fee. Oh well, back to work I go.

                                                                        Reply#25 - Fri May 29, 2009 9:21 AM EDT
                                                                        Lee-453088

                                                                        And guess what? That "free" subscription to your favorite magazine also costs you money!

                                                                          #25.1 - Fri May 29, 2009 11:23 PM EDT
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