Gun-loving pastor to his flock: Piece be with you

Can't blame him.

With all the shootings going on in Churches nowadays...

He11, it's more dangerous going to Church than going to a cat house!

Appropriate during the week in the fellowship hall I suppose, but, in my opinion, totally inappropriate during the worship service in the sanctuary. I find this very, very disrespectful of the sacrifice Jesus made with his life.

Pass the Lord and praise the ammunition!

Didn't Madea say Piece be with you? Thievery?? Interesting. Not that I go to church, but I'm not sure I want to sit in a place of PEACE with armed people.

Piece be with you

Clever. lol.

Gotta wonder what a service there is like.

Can I hear a round of fire for the LOOOOOOOOOOORD.................. Amen!

He is a good German nationalist, corporatist, know nothing.

Oh, and there's a picnic! And a raffle to win a free handgun. Praise Jesus! Maybe Grandma can win herself a new one. yip. The kiddies will be havin' such fun.

And homosexuality is supposed to be strange? uh uh nope Not this strange.

Free Spirit don't like no one else having freedom. The Pastor knew how easy it would be to get Media attention. The Liberal busybody media has obviously taken offense with the "Look everybody on the Left, look what this Right Wing Nut is doing! Quick, act appalled with a Capital "A" tell him he's baaaaaddd!! " Do what we tell you, you useless sheep!"

You fell for it again! Yuk, Yuk!

Nah, we are just laughing at them, Ferrari, and hoping they will all shoot each other in church. You know, go out with a bang. Halleluia!

Nope, they'll only shoot those members of The Democratic Party, who's members ironically, are statistically more apt to commit gun violence than Republicans. It's a strange world and not everything is as MSNBC would have us believe. There are forces within this world working to maintain the financial and political control their families have held for hundreds of years.

Does anyone actually believe the thousands of family members of the old very wealthy Royalty all just gave up their tons of gold, silver, riches, cash and went away acouple of hundred of years ago.

Nope, they're still as powerful as ever, doing business, and pulling strings here and around the world. These people have been connected to each other for centuries and Americans are really ignorant about the amount of control they really exert around the world, in all governments, including here.

The TARP Bailout paid how many billions to these family owned foriegn banks? To the point, if the Western World was to contemplate finally falling under the control of one governement entity, as the EU is now in Europe, the existing governments would have to "Match Up" Rights and liberties of the affected Nations before it could take place. If they didn't make all citizens equal, some citizens would believe they had rights that others didn't. This would lead to chaos at a minimum.

Now to be realistic, Eastern European Nations are not going to grant "Free Speech" to their citizens just because America has The First Amendment, so we'll have to lose the First Amendment before we can "merge" as a society without Borders.

This is exactly what is occurring in Europe and the UK as we speak. Hence, many Americans are resisting any attempt by anyone to infringe on ANY Constitutional Right and some States are now passing Laws and resolutions firmly recommiting to the 9th and 10th Amendment, which keeps the FEDS from granting itself any Powers not Specifically Granted to them by The States. Those of us who don't trust Politicians anywhere, anytime, ask our Fredom Loving Countrymen to do protect the Constitution at all costs, regardless of the specific section and regardless of their Politics.

We broke away from Europe for the same reasons that still exist today. The families there still want to maintain too much control over the Labor Force which translates to almost everyone because that guarantees their future profits for another 200 years.

Large Corporations can't make billions for themselves if they pay their employees close to 6 figures per family like we do to here in the States. Most new EU workers in their 30's amke 750 Euro's per month, and it's an EU wide pay scale. Oooh La La!

Working couples here make much more than Europeans in the same job, and even own Homes, Cars and Boats. This just isn't as true there in "The Old Country". Most Blue Collar Type Europeans rent (at a discount) because home ownership is very expensive and almost counter culture, unless of course, it's family home. Cars are less needed as gas is $9 / Gal. It's not America and it's not all it's cracked up to be.

I'm ashamed to admit that I like money more than Culture. I want to make my own decisions and don't want to live in a society where there is no Middle Class. I like middle class homes, Cars, boats, and vacations.

Amen to that! Ooops...sorry. I actually agree with you 100%.

Church! Join or die!

Bet no one at his church dares complain about the increasing prices of the pancake breakfast either!

Yee Hah!

You know, this minister may love Jesus Christ with all his heart and really believe that he is serving the Lord in this way.

But honestly, I cannot reconcile the message of Jesus of Nazareth with this man's actions.

And if I may be so bold - I doubt Jesus would either.

What caliber would Jesus pack? 357? 44? 38?

357, 358 - whatever it takes

LOL!

(go wings)

"Go ahead Pontius, make my day!"

God is my co-Pilate?

Boo! Hiss!! :-P

None of you read the article, or his reasons for why he's doing it, are you?

Angsty atheist teenagers are always dying to throw rocks at the first Christian they see.

Dennis270

Eye kan't hep it! Eye jus' kan't hep it!

I did read the article and know why he's doing it - just think it's a silly story all around and so not wasting too much of my available brain power on making serious theological statements about some minister who's telling his congregation to come packing heat. If the congregation is ok with it, then by all means - it's their church, after all.

None of you read the article, or his reasons for why he's doing it, are you?

We did, they're just absurd.

Angsty atheist teenagers are always dying to throw rocks at the first Christian they see.

As I'm neither angsty nor atheist nor a teenager, I'll have to assume you were talking about someone else.

R. Donald Snyder

What caliber would Jesus pack? 357? 44? 38?

Maybe he is a shotgun kind of apostle? You ever stop to think of that?

Do they serve Budweiser during the service too? Maybe I'll reconsider...?

How does Ron White and the Blue collar boys say it? "You might be a redneck if - ??

Angsty atheist teenagers are always dying to throw rocks at the first Christian they see.

And with Christians doing these things I don't blame the teenagers at all. This article and these christians are making me angsty.

Do they serve Budweiser during the service too?

Maybe, but they do have a raffle for a free handgun. Almost as good as beer...

Maybe he is a shotgun kind of apostle? You ever stop to think of that?

Maybe. In that case a 12 gauge mossberg pistol grip shotgun with a short barrel.

Different era, then people were familiar with the tool.

AND the people had not adapted the tools and philosophy of "spray and pray"....

The main reason for gun ownership now is that "law enforcement" are so busy in their "wars" that the citizen is not protected. "Law enforcement" itself is a threat because they have no oversight, when abuse occurs the leaders look the other way as acceptable collateral damage.

I have to agree that the War on Drugs takes funding and time away from protecting us...not to mention the corruption that goes along with keeping it illegal.

Sheeesh!

I don't remember what part of the bible did Jesus wield a Gladius, a Pugio, a Hasta, a Verutum, a Pilum, a Sagittarii, or a Plumbata?

My! Was Grandma Earp proud! But what got me was that Deacon Wyatt strutted up and down the aisle wearin' his gun on the outside ...

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Even stranger is the fact that concurrently Deacon Wyatt Earp was also secretly living with a second wife, whom he always kept obdurately hidden from public ...
This is from Frank Waters' book the Earp Brothers of Tombstone. It was from an interview with Allie Earp, Virgil Earp's wife. Virgil was Wyatt's brother. She said Wyatt was the only Deacon that wore his guns on the outside of his jacket during church services. Her comment... Wyatt was just a Show-Off. Looks like Wyatt Earp would fit right in with this Kentucky church.

Aren't you late for the jam session in mom's basement?

Yea I agree with you get you head clear and come back to speak another round gees

And Christians wonder why they are so disliked.....................

Careful. Don't piss us off. Remember, we like to cling to our guns and religion.

Oh the christians think they are so disliked for their amazing moral behavior and glorious example of Christ. ha! I wish their eyes would be truly opened. sheesh

It's a Baptist church. They very likely have grape juice.

Good point.

Like I said.................

tweetheart44:

Way to go, Kentucky. You just made your state look like a bunch of redneck buffoons

There are 4,269,245 people in Kentucky. This ignorant fellow is just one. So refrain from judging all Kentuckians based one.

So refrain from judging all Kentuckians based one.

I've been to Kentucky (a few times), and they are a bunch of redneck buffoons. Not every one, of course, but most.

Church folk shoot, eat, fart, belch and scritch they nards just like the rest of us.

I beg your pardon. I shall respond further after I am done picking my nose. :-) :-) :-)

"scritch they nards"

The womminfolk, too?

boons orama:

Crikey. I was sexist. I hang my head in shame and admit that I should have mentioned all human anatomy that can be scritched scratched adjusted or otherwise manipulated.

I do believe the correct terminology for our modern era is: My Bad......

Kim:

I am delighted to remain patient until you have finished nostril evacuation.

Best atcha...

You know, the other Sunday, while sitting in my church, the thought actually crossed my mind that someone could just walk in and start shooting. I never thought that this day would come. I used to feel safe at chuch.

More people probably die of heart attacks at church than have ever been shot in a church...

Just more fear mongering by this pastor.

Or someone nods off with a trigger finger.

So you are saying this preacher doesn't understand that the life and teachings of Jesus are about faith, hope and love. Christianity sure ain't what it used to be.

Look what I found!

To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 1 Cor 9:22

Maybe this guy became a gun totin' bastard to save the gun totin' bastards? But it sounds more like it's the other way around. He's the gun totin'.... dude, and he's making his congregation stoop to go along with him. He's compromising the house of God for his own popularity and political agenda.

I hope that this preach is firing blanks in more than one way. One of his type is enough.

"He said recent church shootings, including the killing Sunday of a late-term abortion provider in Kansas, which he condemned, highlight the need to promote safe gun ownership."

I consider myself a "common-sense" type person and can understand your criticism, but I ask you: when you really think about it, is the idea really so bad? I think we can all agree that proming safe gun owernship is vital.

I would make the further assertion that gun ownership is a simple necessity for the innocent to protect themselves from criminals. There is a well documented correlation between an decrease in gun ownership rights and a spike in violent crime -- see Brazil and the U.K. for modern examples. The ultimate fallacy of gun control laws is that all they accomplish is to keep them out of the hands of the innocent while failing miserably to keep them away from the criminals who have a variety of connections and back-channels to purchase illegal weapons.

If this pastor wants to encourage a "bring-your-gun-to-church-day" to promote a responsible, level headed application of this principal, more power to him.

So who's sitting their wife and kids next to a dude or dudess with a loaded gun?

Gotta say, I am agreement with your assertions. And I am a socially liberal leftneck.

One of the problems in my humble opinion is that parents have lost the ability to teach their children about firearms and firearm safety. Many live in a world far removed from the food chain or live under the illusion that the government or LEO will always keep them safe from predatory behavior.

One of the first runs I made with Search and Rescue was for a kid that decided to take up hunting. No one ever gave him even a minuscule bit of advice or lesson in safety. Sadly no one ever told him that crossing a fence line with rifle in hand might not be such a good idea. Sure enough he put an aught six round through his ankle and ended up losing his leg from the knee down. Sad.

Anyhow, I'm not losing any sleep over the bring yer piece to church day. Heck, I'd kinda like to be there to see what range of weaponry is worn. Probably a good thing it is too far for me to witness. I just might git smoted by a bolt of lightening were I too make an appearance in a church......

What Book of the Bible is he reading: "Thou shalt brandish firearms in Gods house to celebrate Independence Day and the Second Amendment." Sounds like Deuteronomy to me

It's right before the 'thou shalt not kill (note it doesn't have any exceptions)' I believe it 's the book of hypocracy, chapter 4 verses 5 and 6 .

Sgt C USMC

Stated by a person who has dedicated his/her professional life to killing as a member of our armed forces. Yeah, "thou shalt not kill" is a rule you live by. Book of Hypocracy chapters 1-100.

Stated by a person who has dedicated his/her professional life to killing as a member of our armed forces.

No, he's dedicated his professional life to Supporting and Defending the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. Killing is just a tool he uses to do so.

Sleep well tonight, for brave men like he and my son are ready to do violence on those who would suppress your ability to be a Free_Spirit.

The original Heberw text of the 10 Commandments (well beofre the first copies of the Bible in Greek) said "thou shall not murder", leaves open all sorts of possiblities.

Sgt, thanks for your service.

AWM, Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

Free_Spirit, Have a wonderful weekend, doing whatever you choose to do, as Sgt C USMC will be standing the watch.... yes, he has duty this weekend :(...

jeanne...This preacher is doing something out of the norm. I guarantee that if our pastor did something like this, there would be an uproar. This is totally silly. No one wants to take away your gun. By the way, I like how gun owners always throw in that "law abiding" stuff...as if they say it enough times, everyone will believe it. There are plenty of gun owners that are not law abiding, and that includes the guns that are legally owned! Want an example? I've got a good one for you.

You go girl........Jeanne! Tell them like it is!

We all have to be able to protect ourselves from the rampaging hoardes of deer, elk and moose tearing up our cities.

Someone ought to pass a law against Bambi and his mom! Oh and that Thumper.....sneaky lil guy.............

Yet another misinformed individual that thinks the 2A is about hunting.

And Tweet? 99.9% of gun owners commited no crime yesterday. Or the day before, or the day before that. And there are PLENTY of people who want to take guns away. Take Golden's Feinstein. To paraphrase when she signed the orignial AWB, "If i could have signed a bill getting rid of all [guns], i would have."

it is about hunting................whether it is to kill wildlife........or hunt perceived or real threats to you or your property.......

it's still hunting.....and killing.

Don't be fooled Jeanne, like all governments, there are plenty in Washington who want to take the firearms of Americans away, and they've made it quite clear. They usually use "High Rates of Violent Crime" as the rally point, but have lately tried The Mexican Drug Angle, which was disputed by The Border Patrol and ICE in Congressional Hearings. They testified that because real Assault weapons used by the Cartels can't be purchased in The US, these weapons are brought from both China and Israel.

The Second Amendment exist to keep people within our government from getting over zealous about their appointed role and powers granted by The People. President Obama is one reason guns are Illegal in Chicago and the surrounding suburbs. he used to be our Illinois State Senator before he was elected as our United States Senator and went to Washington.

Eric Holder, Obama's Head of Justice has also made his feelings clear about ownership of firearms by individuals and he is responsible for protecting the Rights guaranteed by the Constitution. That must be difficult to achieve if you don't believe in the Rights themselves. Kind of like having a Pastor that doesn't believe in The Bible.

Obviously crime in Chicago has increased since then, as 36 school age children have been shot and killed this year, a 50% increase from last year already. The crack gangs didn't get the memo, just like the Washington DC gangs.

Even Eric Holder's Justice Department recently released a report citing that Mexican Gangs are the number One reason for the horrific increase in the level of Violent Crime in 235 American Cities.

No doubt.

Ditto. Its the Old Testament NeoCon Rabble I have trouble with. Plenty of fine Christian folk out there with a dedication to social justice, love and witnessing, as they seem to say in the biz, through good action rather than judgemental ranting.......

Oh BeeTee and Tex, how I agree. What will I ever do with me.

It's called paranoia.

It's called marketing. Nothing more . A successful ad campaign by the NRA and gun dealers. Loads of sensationalistic journalism, misquoted DOD guideline reports to justify reducing production, and WAM! instant increase in demand.

If this pastor wants to show patriotism, wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask his congregation to bring an American flag? (I have a sneaky suspicion that, at this church, some would show up with Confederate flags).

Nicely put, but I think it's probably a decision the pastor made while fully awake and aware of the publicity his action would evoke.

So I guess my "Real" question would be.... Does he still get a tax exempt status for "reminding" us of our rights?..... and how far will that free ride get him?

Does he have any divine ideas about who should be elected to public office too?

We actually defeated Cornwallis by barricade and surrender, not weapons. The french cut off his escape by sea, and the Continental Army barricaded him from advancing further north, forcing him to surrender.

The ONLY instrument that has ever ended a war was the pen.

Truth hurts.

How do they think this is spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is, you know, the whole REASON for the church?

Listen to these who write and know best about all that they must concern themselves with as only they are wise and must tell all how to spend their days. They do not approve of this man and his flock and are spreading nthe word betwix them in their supreme ways. We are humbled as he must be.