Credit crunch a crazy quilt of circumstance

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ELKHART, Ind. - If you want to see what a credit crunch looks like, head south on Indiana State Road 19 out of Elkhart — past the strip malls, bank branches and restaurants to the still-beating heart of “the RV Capital of the World.”  There, scattered along a 2-mile stretch of Nappanee Street, you’ll find a ragtag assortment of RV dealerships that are in many ways symbolic of the nation’s crazy-quilt lending landscape.

One has lost the battle for survival after its credit lifeline was pulled, as its vacant showroom attests. Others are hanging by a thread, trying to outlast an RV industry downturn that has been exacerbated by a lack of credit for manufacturers, dealers and customers. Still others contend that their credit problems have largely disappeared and that business has picked up substantially in the last few months.

The availability of credit, it seems, depends largely on perspective.

For the owner of Elkhart County RV, the situation remains “brutal,” following the sudden withdrawal of big national banks from what’s known as the floor plan financing market.

“I cannot buy any new product unless I use my own money,” said Tony Gaideski, who is down to seven units and can’t secure financing to purchase more RVs. “None of the banks in this town will lend me money, and I don’t know anywhere in the country where anybody is doing any financing for RVs. “

Just up the road, however, Rob Reid, president of Great Lakes RV Center, said he still has the same $3 million floor plan credit line he had before the recession. He said his biggest problem is getting would-be buyers qualified for loans.

“The biggest thing is retail credit,” he said.  “They have to start giving the customers money to buy. That’s what’s going to get the whole thing going again.”

A block to the south, International RV World General Manager Dave Titus said business at the company’s three lots in Elkhart, northern Michigan and Florida is up 15 to 20 percent this year. That’s in part due to decreased competition, he said, but also because his company never relied on lenders to buy inventory.

“We planned ahead for a slow time,” he said. “A lot of businesses didn’t .”

Some in the industry see opportunity in the chaotic credit situation.

RV manufacturer Thor Industries Inc. this week launched its own credit service to provide retail financing for purchasers of its units, much as GMAC does for autos.

“So many lenders exited or dramatically scaled back their RV lending that Thor saw it as a need and a benefit to its dealers,” said Ed Arienti, president and CEO of Thor CC, Inc., which is initially licensed to operate in eight states.

In Elkhart County, however, bankers willing to talk on the record about the credit situation insist they have money to lend.

‘Still making loans’
“We’re still making loans to qualified buyers, but that’s been part of our philosophy all along,” said Jim Hyatt, president of the First State Bank of Middlebury, which extended credit to Reid’s dealership after his previous bank, Goshen Community Bank, called in his line of credit. “We’re also seeing opportunities with some very good, very solid companies, where they have banked at other banks and are now saying, ‘We want to do business with someone who’s going to be around to take care of us.’”

His comments were echoed by Tom Stark, a commercial loan specialist with Lake City Bank.

“To be honest, we’ve been very busy with (businesses) who have been asked to leave other institutions,” he said. “They’ve had a couple tough years, but they’re going to come back and we’re going to help them as much as we can.”

Dallas Bergl, president and CEO of INOVA Federal Credit Union, a 67-year-old institution that was founded by employees of Miles Laboratories, the manufacturer of Alka Seltzer, said his organization is limited in its ability to provide big commercial loans but is actively courting would-be RV buyers.

“We’ve done a whole marketing campaign around ‘We do have money to loan if you’re looking to purchase a home or a car,'” he said. “The mortgage side has been fairly robust, but we haven’t seen much in autos or RVs.”

But another local banker, who spoke to msnbc.com on the condition of anonymity, said his bank won’t be making new RV loans until there is solid evidence the local economy is reviving.

“Because of the uncertainty in our area, I almost have to project future losses over the next nine to 24 months,” the banker said. “If I’m not going to see profits, my capital will go down. If I fear I’m going to be undercapitalized, either I have to go get more capital or shrink my balance sheet. So, no, the situation hasn’t gotten easier yet. If anything it’s getting more difficult. Until the economy picks up, until my commercial customers are making money again, I can’t really free up the credit.”

Strange as it seems, all of these representations may be true, given the uneven ways the credit squeeze has affected homeowners, would-be homeowners, prospective purchasers of big-ticket items, credit card users, retailers, investors, banks and just about anyone else with a stake in the economy. 

‘It's hard to make sweeping statements’
“It’s hard to get our arms around it because you’ve got different situations in different parts of the country,” said Phil Ingrassia, a spokesman for the Recreation Vehicle Dealers Association. “Just like with the overall economy, it’s hard to make sweeping statements that it’s getting better.”

That is borne out by conflicting signals being sent by federal agencies and senior officials in recent weeks.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told a banking group on May 13 that the national lending picture is improving.  Two weeks later, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. warned that “the credit picture remains grim,” The Wall Street Journal reported.  And on Wednesday, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warned that credit could tighten again if the U.S. does not begin to get its fiscal house in order. (Click here to watch a CNBC video on a new Standard and Poor's report on the state of credit in the U.S.)

Most experts and government officials say the credit freeze has slowly been thawing nationwide as a result of massive infusions of federal money into the banking sector.

That meshes with the experience of many small business owners in Elkhart.

Thad Naquin, owner of Naquin Chevrolet-Cadillac-Nissan, said that his problems qualifying buyers for auto loans, which began in the fourth quarter of 2008, largely vanished in March, when $5 billion was released to GMAC for lending.

And Carl Higley, owner of Higley TV & Appliances, said his difficulties ended in early April when he changed buying groups ­and gained access to a new preferred lender. Independent retailers like Higley often join together in such groups to better compete with the big chains. “We had three (loans) approved in one day last week,” he said. “That’s huge.”

But the RV industry has proven to be a tougher nut to crack.

“Most dealers are OK with retail lending right now, but there still seems to be a big problem on the wholesale side,” said Mark Bowersox, director of the Recreation Vehicle Indiana Council. “ It’s one thing to make a loan to a consumer; it’s another thing to open a $5 million credit line to an RV dealer.”

Tom Walworth, general manager of Statistical Surveys Inc., which tracks RV industry sales, said the inability to get product to the showrooms has played a large part in the demise of nine RV manufacturers  in the last year and a half.

He said that as of March, wholesale sales of towables — so-called fifth-wheels and trailers — were down 60.9 percent from a year earlier, while motorized RVs were off by 78.2 percent. But at the retail level, the declines were far lower, at 43 percent and 55 percent, respectively.

“You can lay the lack of wholesale activity at the feet of the lack of wholesale flooring,” he said.

An exodus from the market
Walworth said the absence of wholesale financing was created by near total pullout from the market late last year by the big banks that controlled most of the market, including Textron Financial, GE Capital, Bank of America, KeyBank, U.S. Bank and Bank of the West. That’s a big problem for an industry in which 79 percent of motorhomes and 72 percent of towables were purchased with financing in 2005, according to statistics from the Go RVing Coalition.

And floor plan lending is not a niche that local and regional banks or credit unions can easily fill, because it is a labor-intensive practice that requires the lender to carefully evaluate the quality of the collateral, which means it typically takes a high volume to make it profitable. 

The Small Business Administration has moved to address the situation, expanding an existing loan program and initiating a pilot inventory lending program, which will take effect on July 1.

But Gaideski, the owner of Elkhart County RV, said neither of those programs will solve his liquidity woes.

“From what I understand they’re only offering a 75 percent (loan guarantee), which means I’d have to go even deeper in debt to come up with the rest,” he said.

Gaideski also feels that he got a bad shake from his former floor plan financier, Textron Financial, saying that the company suddenly sent him a letter on Dec. 30 withdrawing his line of credit.

“It said, ‘Here’s how we’re going to help you out, we’re going to pull our line … and we’re going to allow you to sell the inventory that you have on hand.’”

(A Textron spokeswoman did not return a call from msnbc.com seeking comment.)

Credit extended to some dealers
But several other dealerships contacted by msnbc.com said they were able to continue pre-existing credit lines with GE Capital and KeyBank, even as the companies were pulling back in the floor financing market and turning away new customers.

Dan Davis, owner of RAD Transport, an Elkhart company that delivers RVs to dealers around the nation, said GE Capital has simultaneously been weeding out other dealers. “GE Capital has foreclosed on a lot of dealers … taking their inventory and shutting them down,” he said. “Some of the factories are actually having to buy back the inventory.”

Ned Reynolds, a spokesman for GE Capital, acknowledged that the company made some “adjustments in the first quarter in terms of its credit program,” but said it intends to remain active in providing floor financing for the RV industry.

“We think this is a viable business for us,” he said. “We’re just making the best of a tough environment and working through this cycle.”

(Msnbc.com is a joint venture of Microsoft Corp. and NBC Universal, which is 80 percent owned by GE Capital’s parent, General Electric.)

Big national lenders weren’t the only ones yanking credit lines when the freeze was at its worst last winter.

Steve Riegsecker said Goshen Community Bank pulled the plug on his business, rescinding his $350,000 line of credit and thereby forcing him to default on a $1 million floor plan loan from Textron that he had used to purchase inventory for his 20,000-square-foot showroom in nearby Middlebury.

“I was struggling at the time, but I was making my payments,” Riegsecker said. “But they always wanted to know, ‘How are you going to make it?’ Then they came in on a Tuesday night about 5 o’clock and handed me a letter (rescinding the credit line), and that was it.”

Reigsecker didn’t declare bankruptcy and is instead working to pay off the outstanding debt, though he’s not sure if he’ll ever be able to.

“I’m starting completely over, selling cargo trailers and mini-pontoons (small boats),” he said. “That’s how I started my business, and that’s how I grew it.”

Goshen Community Bank President Doug Johnston cited privacy laws in declining to comment on matters involving individual customers and said he had no comment as to whether the bank had rescinded credit lines extended to local RV businesses.

Survivors have a different view
Survivors of the RV retail downsizing see it in a different light.

“My opinion is that they simply culled the ones that weren’t operating good businesses,” said Todd Cornell, president of Tiara RV of Elkhart.

And Titus, the general manager of International RV World, said, “The (dealers) who are hollering about floor plans, sad to say, they shouldn’t have had them to begin with. There were guys out there with $10 million floor plans who couldn’t buy you lunch.”

While RV industry players are divided on financial strategies, they stand united in taking a bullish view of long-term prospects.

“Manufacturers are burning through inventory, and the dealers have developed new local credit sources like credit unions and regional and community banks,” said Walworth of Statistical Surveys. “That’s going to pay dividends in the future.

“I’ve seen this industry go down in the early ‘80s, in the late ‘80s, in the early ‘90s and after 9/11, and each time it’s come back stronger than it was,” he continued. “There’s been so many times when people have shoveled dirt on this industry, but it comes back every time.”

Keith Leggett, a senior economist with the American Bankers Association, said that even if demand for RVs picks up, it will take a while for the credit market to catch up.

“As the economy weakens, banks see a deterioration of their balance sheets,” he said. “But those sheets tend to lag the economy, so while most economists are looking for some recovery in the second half of the year, it’s going to be at least a year before you start seeing an increase in credit quality.”

That may be too late for Gaideski, owner of Elkhart County RV. He said he’s not sure how much longer he can last without being able to buy new inventory.

“My dream is to stay in business — I love what I do,” he said. “But the reality is a different story.”

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{"commentId":7478860,"authorDomain":"susanhunter"}

Doesn't really matter to me...I am not going to be able to afford to buy anything for a long time anyhow.

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Reply#1 - Fri Jun 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT
{"commentId":7481254,"authorDomain":"tcuster11"}

I am a contractor in a small town on the coast of Oregon. Normally this time of year I am booked, and still receiving leads. I only take on small jobs that one man can do. This allows me to give to the client the lowest possible costs with the highest possible quality.

This year there are few if no leads being generated. In the past the business strategy worked. This year not too much is working. I just got off the phone with one potential client, and the comment was the same. It costs too much.

The cash reserves are gone. The credit cards are maxed out. I have no idea how I am going to pay the liability insurance that is due in a week or so. The truck insurance has gone up again, and I don't know where the money is going to come from to pay that.

I don't want to close the doors, reality dictates a different story. I will be lucky to get out with the clothes on my back.

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Reply#2 - Fri Jun 5, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
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{"commentId":7487708,"authorDomain":"nlaureyssens"}

all the comments point to one point the bailout don't work.please let us inundate the senators/representatives with E-mails asking them to reverse course and ask the banks because they can not be trusted pay the money back with a huge interest rate.distribute the peoples money to the people where it belongs in the first place.and the crisis is over in no time believe me.

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Reply#4 - Fri Jun 5, 2009 5:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":7489749,"authorDomain":"alfa"}

As much as I dislike banks, I can understand why they're not loosening the credit spigot. They learned their lessons from watching those lenders who did just that during subprime free-for-all and were later taken over by the government or larger institutions.

The fact remains that the number of unemployed continue to increase, and those with jobs are saving money or trying to reduce their personal debt to avoid a foreclosure in their future.

The last thing the banks should be doing is extending risky loans (AGAIN) in this environment. The government shouldn't be pressuring banks to lend to those with a weak credit history or uncertain employment future. Otherwise, taxpayers will have to yet again bail out more banks.

What we all need to realize is that this recession is not some stage in the typical economic cycle, but the result of a significant structural change that the economy is undergoing. Much of America has been living on unsustainable debt for too long, and we have reached the end of the road.

Instead of allowing consumer consumption to generate economic growth (70% of GDP!), we should focus on saving, investing and selling goods and services to other countries.

In other words, we as a nation need to go on a crash fiscal diet, and maintain that diet until we've worked off most of the debts (personal and governmental) that created the illusion of wealth in America for too long.

Like any diet, this won't be easy or painless. But what choice do we have?

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Reply#5 - Fri Jun 5, 2009 7:47 PM EDT
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people are affraid to spend money with the democrats in office because they don't know what the cost of living will skyrocket to. The way they are spending money and taxes on the rise on everything god help us all.

After all the horrifying messes the democrats created I am still wondering why in gods name people voted this mess into office they have been the problem and not the solution and now again they are the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&NR=1

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    Reply#6 - Sat Jun 6, 2009 10:02 AM EDT
    {"commentId":7497412,"authorDomain":"kgherschell"}

    Well, sandyshores, you seem to forget that the republicans were running the show when this mess was created.

    And think about the alternative to our current government, Mr. McCain with his "the American economy is sound" pronouncements and Ms. Mother of a S****y Teenage Dropout who doesn't have the sense to have an abortion??

    Maybe the current administration is just the lesser of two evils...

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      #6.1 - Sat Jun 6, 2009 2:17 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":7497359,"authorDomain":"kgherschell"}

      Guess I am dumb. Except for student loans (which I paid off in three years after graduating), we never bought a thing we didn't have the money for in the first place, including our modest house, which we saved for and paid for completely at the time of purchase. And I was a stay-at-home mom most of the past 17 years, only working part-time SOME of those years.

      This whole mess is due to people borrowing money for huge houses and big toys (like RVs and boats). And now we think the economy will be cured by getting people in debt AGAIN??

      Doesn't make any sense to me.

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        Reply#7 - Sat Jun 6, 2009 2:12 PM EDT
        {"commentId":7498502,"authorDomain":"miskiel"}

        I work in mortgage lending and all that I can say is that it is absolute insanity with regards to how banks are doing business.  Some examples: 

        Banks taking 90 days or better to approve a short sale.  In most cases either the buyer walks away from the transaction because it is taking so long or the homes value goes down between the time they made the offer and the 90 days it took to get the banks approval.  An appraisal is ordered and it when it comes in low than banks balks, gee what did they think was going to happen when it took them a quarter of a year to approve the sale.  Now you have to wait a month or more for the bank to decide if they are going to take the price supported by the appraisal or let it go to foreclosure. 

        Underwriters are scared of their shadows.  I have seen borrowers with 800+ credit scores turned down because they did not have two years job history on their new jobs.  They relocated to our area and only had a year and a half of time with their new employer.  Great credit scores and a good down payment did not matter, the underwriters wanted 2 years job history on their new jobs 

        I watched another client with almost 800+ credit scores and nearly half a million in liquid assets in the bank not counting his other investments get turned down because they required him to purchase homeowners insurance to cover the contents inside the condo he was buying.  For those who don't know, a condo is insured by the condo association for fire.  The bank in this case wanted him to purchase insurance to cover his furniture etc inside.  With half a million plus in the bank he could have easily paid for new furniture if the home burned down.  The bank insisted and would not fund the loan without the coverage.  He declined and walked away from the loan.   

        These are just two examples of very credit worthy borrowers who the banks turned down for a loan in addition to the lengthy turn times of short sales and foreclosures. 

        I don't care what the media, the banks and Washington are saying, it is absolute stagnation and insanity and the risk of further economic decline is exceptionally real unless the politicians get off their rear ends and talk to some of us in the field to hear what is really going on.  They need to stop assuming that the money they have injected into the banking system is working.

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        Reply#8 - Sat Jun 6, 2009 4:16 PM EDT
        {"commentId":7504834,"authorDomain":"lordshado"}

        i make 45000 a year ,home is payed for , less than 3000.00 on credit report. the bank tells me i need a co signer on a car loan . im 42 years old who the hell would cosign for me and im single man.  bank of america sucks they got 40 billion from the gov to do loan and wont lend me the money ,well who the hell is getting loans? oh ya ive been at my job for 23 years. im writing my maryland congress person to ask her were can i get aloan from what bank. oh ya the bank tells also i need to put 8000 down to buy the car and they will lend me the rest wtf.   

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          Reply#9 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 3:34 AM EDT
          {"commentId":7507203,"authorDomain":"pnavadom"}

          Do not Trust any Bank in Chicago. My 800 credit score, financial privacy , ability to work

          CHASE CITIGROUP all those predetory lenders

          in a non hostile enviroment TONS OF MONEY CASH that I would not have had to spend if I was not getting the run around---that NO ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND---the situation with the banks and credit freeze Needs more than A big Dumb look, Employment at will, NO RAISE response from the idiots in CHARGE---Older women were paid like crap treated like crap so they PAID NO ATTENTION---- I want my money back TAKE IT FROM THE PENSIONS OF YOUR EMPLOYEES WHO TOUGHT THIS REBELLION WAS A GOOD IDEA>

          I won't tell you what i would like to do to these CRIMINALS

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            Reply#10 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 11:18 AM EDT
            {"commentId":7550514,"authorDomain":"couchbj103"}

            It's so sad that our government bailed out so many banks, and auto industry, it would have been better form the govenment to give all nationalized americans a new car and $5000 , THAT SURE WOULD HAVE STIMULATED THE ECONONMY INSTEAD OF GIVING IT TO THE BANKS, ETC.  I hear so many stories of people who have great credit, income and still cannot get a loan, it's time to face reality, the depression is here we are just not accepting it!  I see so many homes planting gardens to prepare for the worse yet to come.  Families moving in with other families to survive.  People better start preparing to protect your homes and families, things are going to get ugly.  The truth is life is a @!$%#, and its going to be hell for most.

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              Reply#11 - Tue Jun 9, 2009 9:13 PM EDT
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