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AP IMPACT: Alternative medicine goes mainstream

Sun Jun 7, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
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Marilynn Marchione, AP Chief Medical Writer
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BALTIMORE — At one of the nation's top trauma hospitals, a nurse circles a patient's bed, humming and waving her arms as if shooing evil spirits. Another woman rubs a quartz bowl with a wand, making tunes that mix with the beeping monitors and hissing respirator keeping the man alive.

They are doing Reiki therapy, which claims to heal through invisible energy fields. The anesthesia chief, Dr. Richard Dutton, calls it "mystical mumbo jumbo." Still, he's a fan.

"It's self-hypnosis" that can help patients relax, he said. "If you tell yourself you have less pain, you actually do have less pain."

Alternative medicine has become mainstream. It is finding wider acceptance by doctors, insurers and hospitals like the shock trauma center at the University of Maryland Medical Center. Consumer spending on it in some cases rivals that of traditional health care.

People turn to unconventional therapies and herbal remedies for everything from hot flashes and trouble sleeping to cancer and heart disease. They crave more "care" in their health care. They distrust drug companies and the government. They want natural, safer remedies.

But often, that is not what they get. Government actions and powerful interest groups have left consumers vulnerable to flawed products and misleading marketing.

Dietary supplements do not have to be proved safe or effective before they can be sold. Some contain natural things you might not want, such as lead and arsenic. Some interfere with other things you may be taking, such as birth control pills.

"Herbals are medicines," with good and bad effects, said Bruce Silverglade of the consumer group Center for Science in the Public Interest.

Contrary to their little-guy image, many of these products are made by big businesses. Ingredients and their countries of origin are a mystery to consumers. They are marketed in ways that manipulate emotions, just like ads for hot cars and cool clothes. Some make claims that average people can't parse as proof of effectiveness or blather, like "restores cell-to-cell communication."

Even therapies that may help certain conditions, such as acupuncture, are being touted for uses beyond their evidence.

An Associated Press review of dozens of studies and interviews with more than 100 sources found an underground medical system operating in plain sight, with a different standard than the rest of medical care, and millions of people using it on blind faith.

How did things get this way?

Fifteen years ago, Congress decided to allow dietary and herbal supplements to be sold without federal Food and Drug Administration approval. The number of products soared, from about 4,000 then to well over 40,000 now.

Ten years ago, Congress created a new federal agency to study supplements and unconventional therapies. But more than $2.5 billion of tax-financed research has not found any cures or major treatment advances, aside from certain uses for acupuncture and ginger for chemotherapy-related nausea. If anything, evidence has mounted that many of these pills and therapies lack value.

Yet they are finding ever-wider use:

_Big hospitals and clinics increasingly offer alternative therapies. Many just offer stress reducers like meditation, yoga and massage. But some offer treatments with little or no scientific basis, to patients who are emotionally vulnerable and gravely ill. The Baltimore hospital, for example, is not charging for Reiki but wants to if it can be shown to help. Other hospitals earn fees from treatments such as acupuncture, which insurance does not always cover if the purpose is not sufficiently proven. The giant HMO Kaiser Permanente pays for members to go to a Portland, Ore., doctor who prescribes ayurvedics — traditional herbal remedies from India.

_Some medical schools are teaching future doctors about alternative medicine, sometimes with federal grants. The goal is educating them about what patients are using so they can give evidence-based, nonjudgmental care. But some schools have ties to alternative medicine practitioners and advocates. A University of Minnesota program lets students study nontraditional healing methods at a center in Hawaii supported by a philanthropist fan of such care, though students pay their own travel and living expenses. A private foundation that wants wider inclusion of nontraditional methods sponsors fellowships for hands-on experience at the University of Arizona's Program in Integrative Medicine, headed by well-known advocate Dr. Andrew Weil.

_Health insurers are cutting deals to let alternative medicine providers market supplements and services directly to members. At least one insurer promotes these to members with a discount, perhaps leaving an incorrect impression they are covered services and medically sound. Some insurers steer patients to Internet sellers of supplements, even though patients must pay for these out of pocket. There are networks of alternative medicine providers that contract with big employers, just like HMOs.

A few herbal supplements can directly threaten health. A surprising number do not supply what their labels claim, contain potentially harmful substances like lead, or are laced with hidden versions of prescription drugs.

"In testing, one out of four supplements has a problem," said Dr. Tod Cooperman, president of ConsumerLab.com, an independent company that rates such products.

Even when the ingredients aren't risky, spending money for a product with no proven benefit is no small harm when the economy is bad and people can't afford health insurance or healthy food.

But sometimes the cost is far greater. Cancer patients can lose their only chance of beating the disease by gambling on unproven treatments. People with clogged arteries can suffer a heart attack. Children can be harmed by unproven therapies forced on them by parents who distrust conventional medicine.

Mainstream medicine and prescription drugs have problems, too. Popular drugs such as the painkillers Vioxx and Bextra have been pulled from the market after serious side effects emerged once they were widely used by consumers. But at least there are regulatory systems, guideline-setting groups and watchdog agencies helping to keep traditional medicine in line.

The safety net for alternative medicine is far flimsier.

The latest government survey shows the magnitude of risk: More than a third of Americans use unconventional therapies, including acupuncture, homeopathy, chiropractic, and native or traditional healing methods. These practitioners are largely self-policing, with their own schools and accreditation groups. Some states license certain types, like acupuncturists; others do not.

Tens of millions of Americans take dietary supplements — vitamins, minerals and herbs, ranging from ginseng and selenium to fish oil and zinc, said Steven Mister, president of the Council for Responsible Nutrition, an industry trade group.

"We bristle when people talk about us as if we're just fringe," he said. Supplements are "an insurance policy" if someone doesn't always eat right, he said.

In fact, some are widely recommended by doctors — prenatal vitamins for pregnant women, calcium for older women at risk of osteoporosis, and fish oil for some heart patients, for example. These uses are generally thought to be safe, although independent testing has found quality problems and occasional safety concerns with specific products, such as too much or too little of a vitamin.

Some studies suggest that vitamin deficiencies can raise the risk of disease. But it is not clear that taking supplements will fix that, and research has found hints of harm, said Dr. Jeffrey White, complementary and alternative medicine chief at the National Cancer Institute. A doctor with a big interest in nutrition, he sees the field as "an area of opportunity" that deserves serious study.

So does Dr. Josephine Briggs, director of the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, the federal agency Congress created a decade ago.

"Most patients are not treated very satisfactorily," Briggs said. "If we had highly effective, satisfactory conventional treatment we probably wouldn't have as much need for these other strategies and as much public interest in them."

Even critics of alternative medicine providers understand their appeal.

"They give you a lot of time. They treat you like someone special," said R. Barker Bausell, a University of Maryland biostatistician who wrote "Snake Oil Science," a book about flawed research in the field.

That is why Dr. Mitchell Gaynor, a cancer specialist at the Weill-Cornell Medical Center in New York, said he includes nutrition testing and counseling, meditation and relaxation techniques in his treatment, though not everyone would agree with some of the things he recommends.

"You do have people who will say 'chemotherapy is just poison,'" said Gaynor, who tells them he doesn't agree. He'll say: "Cancer takes decades to develop, so you're not going to be able to think that all of a sudden you're going to change your diet or do meditation (and cure it). You need to treat it medically. You can still do things to make your diet better. You can still do meditation to reduce your stress."

Once their fears and feelings are acknowledged, most patients "will do the right thing, do everything they can to save their life," Gaynor said.

Many people buy supplements to treat life's little miseries — trouble falling asleep, menopausal hot flashes, memory lapses, the need to lose weight, sexual problems.

The Dietary Supplement and Health Education Act of 1994 exempted such products from needing FDA approval or proof of safety or effectiveness before they go on sale.

"That has resulted in consumers wasting billions of dollars on products of either no or dubious benefit," said Silverglade of the public interest group.

Many hope that President Barack Obama's administration will take a new look. In the meantime, some outlandish claims are drawing a backlash. The industry has stepped up self-policing — the Council for Responsible Nutrition hired a lawyer to work with the Council of Better Business Bureaus and file complaints against problem sellers.

"We certainly don't think this is a huge problem in the industry," Mister said, but he acknowledges occasionally seeing infomercials "that promise the world."

"The outliers were making the public feel that this entire industry was just snake oil and that there weren't any legitimate products," said Andrea Levine, ad division chief for the business bureaus.

The FDA just issued its first guidelines for good manufacturing practices, aimed at improving supplement safety. Consumer groups say the rules don't go far enough — for example, they don't set limits on contaminants like lead and arsenic — but they do give the FDA more leverage after problems come to light.

The Federal Trade Commission is filing more complaints about deceptive marketing. One of the largest settlements occurred last August — $30 million from the makers of Airborne, a product marketed with a folksy "invented by a teacher" slogan that claimed to ward off germs spread through the air.

People need to keep a healthy skepticism about that magical marketing term "natural," said Kathy Allen, a dietitian at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, Fla.

The truth is, supplements lack proof of safety or benefit. Asked to take a drug under those terms, "most of us would say 'no,'" Allen said. "When it says 'natural,' the perception is there is no harm. And that is just not true."

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On the Net:

National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine: http://nccam.nih.gov/

Anti-scam site: http://www.quackwatch.com

Tips from FDA: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/DMS/ds-savvy.html

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BizEBea

Years ago, I had a boyfriend who every time he had a headache, refused asprin or whatever, because he was convinced that he could will the headache away...sure enough, 20 min or so later, he was fine every time. Mind over matter if you will. I've tried it, and if it isn't a migraine, typically it works.

As for the reiki therapy, it is about damn time. Much more cost effective too, if you ask me.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
0ddity

Thinking away your headache would work because non-migraine headaches typically go away on their own after a few minutes. You're assuming a causality relationship where there is none. As for reiki, its complete crap. My mom is a "certified reiki master," such an honor that all you have to do is mail order your diploma. It doesn't do anything, the so called "energy" she told me I was feeling was just the body heat coming off her hands. Its a total waste of money, insurance companies and hospitals should not be in the business of quack medicine, like reiki, reflexology, chiropracty, acupuncture, etc.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 1:55 PM EDT
MedTech

I don't discount reiki entirely. I have an aunt who is a "reiki master" and worse, a "theta master". Both are hocus pocus in my mind as far as their actual claims go. However, I never underestimate the power of ones mind. When people are convinced this stuff is working in it's "magical" way, I think it really does work for them to some extent because they are so convinced of it. For small things anyway. Funny thing is, this same aunt actually had to have a device surgically placed in her heart to close a PFO (patent foramen ovale) that had not closed after she was born. I so wanted to be an ass and ask her why her "theta" didn't just fix it. (but I didn't)

Even worse, now the latest fad (and yes, my aunt has done this too) is this horse crap HCG diet. It's totally idiotic. Ya, people lose weight on it, because their required to follow a 500 calorie per day diet!!!! They actually believe it's the hormone making them lose weight and not the self-starvation. It's absolutely insane! She even got my mom to do it. Her "meals" are ridiculous. For lunch she has a few cucumber slices (which are mostly water) and 5 saltine crackers. Not to mention the dangers of injecting yourself with a hormone. Don't discount the harm this can do to your body, just like the most popular hormone injection of all, steroids.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
Ed Wood

Works great unless you are actually sick. Alternative medicine is a waste of time and resources at best, it is misleading and dangerous at worst.

http://www.quackcast.com/ is a good source for the story of Alt med. Dr. Mark Crislip reviews the pertinent studies and gives complete references on his website.

The Sciecnce Based Medicine blog is a good place to go also.

In any case, read the studies, they rarely say what the media implies they do. Be careful. They call it Snake Oil for a reason.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:41 PM EDT
Damon1

Oddity,

insurance companies and hospitals should not be in the business of quack medicine, like reiki, reflexology, chiropracty, acupuncture, etc.

While I don't disagree with you on the majority of the practices listed, I would like to respectfully disagree with your on the inclusion of Chiropractics in the mix.

It is a real and very effective form of treatment for various ailments.

Years ago, I was so down in my back I could barely walk,finally one morning when I woke up, I could no longer stand it. I took off work that day to go see a doctor(chiropractor) to see if anything could be done for me without surgery or just covering up the pain with meds.

After seeing my x-rays the doctor and I both couldn't believe I was even able to walk at all. A couple of my lower lumbar vertebrae were severely misaligned.

An MD would have immediately thrown me under the knife. I DID NOT want that as it would have incapacitated me for who knows how long and I may or may not have ever been able to return to my job as a linesman.

As it turns out my condition and the treatment option were covered by my insurance,(workman's comp. to be more precise) as my condition was brought on by my work. After spending about 8 weeks of treatments every other day,I never felt better. Did not take one single aspirin for the pain. I have to wonder how long I would have been down had I let a surgeon "fix" me.

If you understand the way the spinal column works you would more fully understand the reason chiropractics is an accepted form of treatment for many things.

All of the systems in your body are controlled through the network of nerves in your body,transmitting information back and forth from the brain. The nerves which lead to and from these systems all branch out from the spinal column between the vertebrae in your back. If any of these are misaligned it can cause a host of maladies in your body systems controls because of the pressure which is put on the nerve leading to a particular system function in the body, resulting in faulty information transfer. So, in that respect ,a properly aligned back/spine can help a lot of folks live a more pain free, healthy life

Now, I am not saying that chiropractics is a cure-all. There are lots of conditions that cannot be cured simply by chiropractics. And back injuries from some sort of trauma may well need surgery to correct.

I am just arguing that chiropractics is not a quack medical practice as lumped in with the others you have listed.

Thank You for reading my humble opinion on the subject and forgive me if I have gone off topic a little.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
ajzzz

There is some evidence that manipulation as effective for some kinds of lower back pain but no more than other treatments. That's why medical doctors such as physical therapists, physiatrists, and doctors of osteopathy use manipulation.

Why Chiropractry is on the list?

1. Chiropractry was invented by a quack, to cure all kinds of illness that it does not, most unrelated to the back or even the muscular skeletal system. Many Chiropractors still claim to cure all kinds of illness it does not.

2. Chiropractors rely heavily on personal anecdotes such as yours, not on evidence based studies. That you suggest chiropractry is a treatment for many things demonstrates this, some Chiropractor has sold you something.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
Damon1

I appreciate your rebuttal ajzzz.

From your own point of view you make a sound argument. However I did not claim this method of treatment to be a "cure-all", nor did my doctor.

And yes, you are correct, my chiropractor did sell me something..the benefits of good spinal health. It worked wonderfully for me.

Here is a more in-depth explanation of how a properly aligned spinal column will benefit all otherwise healthy people. Explore the whole website,it may change your view of chiropractics, if only a little.

2. Chiropractors rely heavily on personal anecdotes such as yours, not on evidence based studies.

Here is an article from the same website on the scientific evidence of Chiropractics as a viable treatment option for some people.

Again, I do not claim this to be a "cure-all", but rather a very real alternative for folks to consider as opposed to surgery or "cover-up" pain meds for some conditions.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
ajzzz

There is no evidence for Vertebral subluxations, no credible studies have shown they exist or the benefits beyond lower back pain of spinal manipulation. If a chiropractor mentions subluxations he is a quack, seek treatment elsewhere. If you call pain medication a "cover up", then manipulation is also a coverup as there is only evidence for it as a treatment for pain.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 6:14 PM EDT
Damon1

Did you not go to the site I linked ? Evidently you have issues with chiropractic medicine,and that's OK. I'll just leave it at that.

My doctor helped me tremendously with manipulation of the sublaxation of the disks in my back.I never had to take a single pain killer to mask or "cover up" the pain I was in because of his treatments.

Yes I think pain meds are just a "cover up" medication. All they do is mask the pain, not treat the condition.Which, if left untreated and continually masked with pain meds will only worsen in time.

Granted there are definite uses for pain meds. Post-surgery is a good example. Migraine headaches another.

Last year I crushed the ends off of two of my fingers. Luckily a good surgeon was able to reattach them. All I could say during the next several days after that was " THANK GOD FOR VICODIN (sp?) !" Pain killers have a use. I am not denying that.

I just present that chiropractics is a viable option to consider for back ailments before going to surgery or just getting a script for pain killers to be taken for who knows how long.

Again, chiropractics is not a "cure-all" but it most definitely is a real and effective treatment option for some if not many conditions.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 6:47 PM EDT
ajzzz

sublaxation of the disks in my back

That have never been shown scientifically to exist.

All they do is mask the pain, not treat the condition.

Spinal manipulation has never been shown to scientifically treat anything other than pain, and only the lower back.

I just present that chiropractics is a viable option to consider for back ailments before going to surgery or just getting a script for pain killers to be taken for who knows how long.

For lower back pain, spinal manipulation is a viable option instead of pain killers.

and effective treatment option for some if not many conditions.

Only scientifically supported treatment for lower back pain.

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 8:54 PM EDT
Damon1

Well, apparently you and I will just have to agree to disagree on the benefits of Chiropractics.

You don't believe in it ? Don't go to a chiropractor. It's that simple. You and I are both adults so we can make our own choices on our health care.

As for myself I am a firm believer in it, and will therefore close this discussion with you on the matter before it just becomes a diatribe that folks reading this thread likely will grow tired of.

Thank you for a spirited point/counterpoint discussion and good health to you and your's ajzzz.

Take care

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 9:04 PM EDT
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www.treat-cancer.info

Alternative medicine isn't proven effective such as regular medicine, but they usually don't have many side effects.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
0ddity

No side effects because there's no therapeutic effects, asside from placebo, which can be had much cheaper, in less delusional magically thinking ways.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
Mark in Worcester

That's a very condescending attitude.

I used to get really sick at least 3 or 4 times a year. I started taking cod liver oil due to a torn rotator cuff. Can't afford surgery, but CLO is an anti-inflamatory and it provided immediate relief for the pain in my shoulder. I can now sleep through the night, where as before I would wake up a dozen times a night in pain. An added benefit? I haven't been sick since I started taking CLO.

  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 2:28 PM EDT
MedTech

No side effects because there's no therapeutic effects, asside from placebo, which can be had much cheaper, in less delusional magically thinking ways.

So true.

That's a very condescending attitude

Most of the so-called supplements and therapies out there are just that, placebo. The only proven benefit comes from what people think they are getting. Thats not to say that there are no naturally occuring substances of medical significance (penicillin for one) but most claims are complete bunk. The problem is that these companies can claim whatever they want, and are not legally required to back up those claims. People are getting ripped off, yet the alternative medicine industry just wants to present themselves as loving, caring and harmless, when really, they're just in it to make money like any other business.

  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 3:46 PM EDT
Ed Wood

That's right no side effects, as a matter fact, no effects at all.

  • 4 votes
#2.4 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:43 PM EDT
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RDW-375737

I'm a RN who specializes in critical care...If a patient comes to me they are sick and the time for alternative medicines has passed...And if you think for a minute I'm going to perform some sort of arm waving or chanting over my patient...Well then you better find yourself another nurse.

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 1:19 PM EDT
Ed Wood

Finally, from the mouth of a nurse. Do you think Alt. Care has any place in modern medicine?

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:44 PM EDT
RDW-375737

Yes Ed I do...I think it can play an important role in preventive health care...But not in a critical or acute care setting.

  • 1 vote
#3.2 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:49 PM EDT
Ed Wood

Taking under consideration that good nutritition and exercise are not alternatives, what specific forms of Alternative Health Care do you recomend?

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
MyOpIA

Knowing many in the medical field, physicians and nurse practitioners, those that are truly interested in what's best for the patient seem to be very open to pretty much any practice. From what they've indicated, and it makes sense, every person has their own belief system - what they think will work - that is much more important than what anyone else thinks will work. Basically, if they want a rattle shaken every 20 minutes because that is what they really think will make a difference, then those practicioners will make sure that happens - and their patients do seem to have a better rate of recovery and lower rate of return visits. They also have fewer complaints about their care givers.

While there is no need to join them in their beliefs, there apparently is some benefit to be derived from accomodating them. Too bad that attitude isn't applied to everything else in the world.

    #3.4 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 2:33 PM EDT
    Ed Wood

    MyOpIA,

    I think your statement points out the trouble with what is reported in the article. It is not so much that the practices so much as that the hospital is advocating them. Now, if an individual patient wants to have his pastor, priest, spirit guide, shaman, or whatever, come in his room and pray, meditate, lay on the hands, etc. that is not only acceptable, but to be encouraged as part of caring for the patient. This is not what is going on in these hospitals and universities that are adopting Alternative Medicine. What they are doing is essentially prosletyzing for what are the equivilent of religious beliefs. Do we see any evangelical christian faith healers in the hospital ward laying on hands and speaking in tongues? Why not? I'm sure there is plenty on anecdotal evidence that christian faith healing is effective.

    • 1 vote
    #3.5 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
    MyOpIA

    While I'm not sure if "adopting" is too strong a word, some practitioners have added Reiki and other techniques to their repertoire, and apparently the patients have benefited. Again, the benefit seems more tied to the individuals belief in the practice (what ever it is) than anything else, making it the patient that is really making the difference, with the practitioner only providing the environment. As some of them have expressed, it just points out how little we know about what is really happening that makes a difference.

      #3.6 - Tue Jun 9, 2009 5:05 AM EDT
      Karri-M

      RDW, I've used controlled breathing and imagery in a lot of cases, mostly for pain control (while waiting for medicines to take control.) I also like them for anxiety and even some breathing problems. Some people would consider them "alternative" yet we discussed them in nursing school. These "alternative" methods are pretty mainstream. Do you use them in critical care? (Although they are "alternative" perhaps the more descriptive word would be "adjunctive.")

      I've seen some research on aromatherapy that is interesting, especially since the olfactory centers of the brain are so close to the emotional centers. What do you think of them?

      In general, I think "alternative" therapies may be useful, but they need more research.

        #3.7 - Tue Jun 9, 2009 11:10 PM EDT
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        ajzzz

        Even therapies that may help certain conditions, such as acupuncture, are being touted for uses beyond their evidence.

        In the case of acupunture anything it is being touted to treat or cure is beyond its evidence. It is no better than a placebo, poking with toothpicks that don't even break the skin.

        "Most patients are not treated very satisfactorily," Briggs said. "If we had highly effective, satisfactory conventional treatment we probably wouldn't have as much need for these other strategies and as much public interest in them."

        This is outrageous. People who peddle treatments for which there is no satisfactory evidence should not be criticizing the majority of health professionals that actually help people with treatments that have plenty of evidence to support them. Whenever there are no effective treatments these people move in to exploit people with treatments that have no satisfactory evidence supporting them. They criticize geniune science-based medicine for not being able to treat everything, while earning money from treatments without evidence, some with evidence against them.

        Synthetic pills are sometimes made using compounds found in herbs that are known to be effective treatment. These using the same compounds must have rigorous clinical trials, with production that insures consistant dosage. Yet the herbal remedies that use the same compounds are not regulated to anywhere near the same standard, studies are not funded, and the nature of herbal remedies especially organically farmed means that dosage of the active incredients are not consistant.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#4 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 1:48 PM EDT
        0ddity

        At one of the nations EX top hospitals maybe. What a joke.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#5 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 1:49 PM EDT
        ntq

        Alternative medicine goes mainstream

        Good start but not enough unless it is considered patrallel to the spiritual aspects of physical well-being. Something modern medicine has deliberately ignored. Unhealthy spirit is equally an important risk-factor for the overall health of a standard human being. God knows how many of our everyday problems and ailments are the result of our poor and unethical intentions and conduct (state of mind). Yes, nature does posess all the elements of healing but they must be equally acknowledged in both physical and spiritual form for their effects to take place. Afterall, that's what the spirit of nature is all about. Something the world should've researched long before reaching out to Mars!

          Reply#6 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
          0ddity

          Modern medicine is SCIENCE based. Science has no bearing on "spirits" or god or anything. It works on results, not supersitions.

          • 6 votes
          #6.1 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
          ntq

          Modern medicine is SCIENCE based. Science has no bearing on "spirits" or god or anything. It works on results, not supersitions.

          Is that why medical bills account for 65 % of your country's bankrupcy? Your medicine is only a half part of science. It has the technique but its totaly deprived of the touch.

          • 1 vote
          #6.2 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 2:07 PM EDT
          0ddity

          Thank money grubbing insurance companies, not the quality of care provided by modern medicine.

          • 6 votes
          #6.3 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
          Ed Wood

          As a nurse who bases my practice on science I am somewhat insulted by ntq insinuation that just because I reject the snake oil of alternative med that I am somehow less caring and less cognizant of peoples spiritual needs. I have spent several nights holding the hand of a dying person. I have spent countless hours listening to, and allaying fears of frightened patients. One does not have to participate in the con job of Reiki to calm a patient, nor does one have to give medicines that are no better than placebos to make minor discomforts more tolerable.

          In my view most Alt Medicine relies on the skills of a con man. I prefer to be honest with my patients.

          As a patient myself, I resent valuable resources being wasted on such cons.

          • 6 votes
          #6.4 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:54 PM EDT
          MedTech

          Ed,

          Well said! My cousin (more like a sister) is a nurse, and I fully believe it takes a person with a tremendous amount of compassion and empathy to do the job well. She too has spent countless nights mending hearts and calming fears. She worked in Oncology at Primary Childrens Medical Center here in Salt Lake for a few years, graveyard shift no less. I don't know how she did it. I know I couldn't handle it.

          • 3 votes
          #6.5 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 5:20 PM EDT
          RDW-375737

          Very good Ed...People forget we are trained to administer care to the body and compassion to the soul of our patients.

          • 4 votes
          #6.6 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 5:28 PM EDT
          ntq

          Thank money grubbing insurance companies, not the quality of care provided by modern medicine.

          Modern medicine and health insurers are the two sides of the same coin, namely "the medical market", and its endless greed for constantly increasing number of patients with single and multiple disorders. So,I don't blame if the so called "modern medicine" and the "insurance companies" don't find it feasibe to discover the challenging boundaries of the true "Science of Medicine" which considers the physique and the spirit as 2 tightly-bound elements of a single network commonly referred to as "human subject". They'd lose their clients if they did, wouldn't they???

            #6.7 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 7:17 PM EDT
            ntq

            Ed Wood

            I have spent several nights holding the hand of a dying person. I have spent countless hours listening to, and allaying fears of frightened patients.

            Many thanks for your unremitting services, Ed but I'm not talking about making death easier for people. Please contribute.

              #6.8 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 7:27 PM EDT
              Ed Wood

              I will spell it out for you, although it seems to be clear to everybody else. Just because I refuse to include the practice of Alternative, Complementary, Natural, or Holistic care for my patient does not mean I am not basing my care on the whole of the patient. As a matter of fact I pride myself on adjusting my care to the patient as a human being, rather than a diagnosis. It has been my observation over twelve years of nursing than most nurse can learn to do this, and they can do this without using the mostly disproven methods of Alternative Method. All good nurses are holistic nurses. They become this way without voodoo, snakeoil, or black magic.

              Alternative medicine has little to offer, but can cause great harm.

              • 4 votes
              #6.9 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 10:47 PM EDT
              Xerxes-727854

              ntq,

              Modern medicine and health insurers are the two sides of the same coin, namely "the medical market", and its endless greed for constantly increasing number of patients with single and multiple disorders

              Modern medicine has produced antibiotics and other wonder drugs that have doubled life expectancies not only in the First World but also in a lot of countries in the Third World. Have you tried surgery without anesthesia?

              • 4 votes
              #6.10 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 11:36 PM EDT
              ntq

              Modern medicine has produced antibiotics and other wonder drugs that have doubled life expectancies not only in the First World but also in a lot of countries in the Third World. Have you tried surgery without anesthesia?

              That's why I never dare to deny the benefits of modern science. As I pointed out in my initial post (ref: #6.2 above), "modern medicine is half part of the true "Science of Medicine" and not the whole. It focuses merely on substance in its practices (prevention, care, and treatment) while the roots and causes for great many physical problems are non-substance in essence,show meaningful correlation with the individual's deeds and intentions (spiritual activities), and could be effectively prevented by a series of adjustments in thoughts and conducts (rather than the mere eating, sleeping, working etc...etc... habits which modern medicine constantly manuvers on time after time with great contradiction and doubt ).

                #6.11 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 6:30 PM EDT
                Karri-M

                I pride myself on adjusting my care to the patient as a human being, rather than a diagnosis.

                Ah, Ed, you have succinctly summed up the definition of nursing! Thank you.

                • 1 vote
                #6.12 - Tue Jun 9, 2009 11:20 PM EDT
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                RDW-375737

                Upon further reading on the Reiki therapy I would categorize it as neo-snake oil salesmanship...Once again a group of pseudo-professionals have wormed their way into the medical community to give false hopes to patients and their families.

                • 5 votes
                Reply#7 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
                Csp

                Is that why medical bills account for 65 % of your country's bankrupcy?

                That has nothing to do with science. It has everything to do with greed. with a medical system focused on shareholder profit rather than on patient outcomes.

                As for science and alternative medicine. The key is to examine scientifically both the outcomes of alternative treatment AND the biological or psychological factors involved in those outcomes.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#8 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 2:18 PM EDT
                Ed Wood

                That and if you look at the real numbers it is not true.

                • 6 votes
                #8.1 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:55 PM EDT
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                Ellen-for-Obama

                Fish oil for back pain? I looked that up elsewhere to confirm. Over the last several years, I've been a slave to ibuprofen, muscle relaxers, narcotic pain relievers, spinal injections and one surgery. Not one doctor ever mentioned this. I'll be giving it a try - starting today!

                • 3 votes
                Reply#9 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 2:37 PM EDT
                RDW-375737

                Fish oil for back pain?

                Sorry Ellen but you are way off base there...Fish oil has Omega3 properties in it and if taken regularly (which I do) it can help lower your cholesterol, triglycerides and LDH which all effect your heart...But for your back...I don't think so.

                • 3 votes
                #9.1 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 5:05 PM EDT
                ntq

                Over the last several years, I've been a slave to ibuprofen, muscle relaxers, narcotic pain relievers, spinal injections and one surgery

                You won't regret it ;-)

                  #9.2 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 7:31 PM EDT
                  RDW-375737

                  ntg...What are you basing your advice to Ellen on? What research on the subject have you done?Where are the studies?What is your medical background? To quote Mark Twain - "Be careful of reading cheap medical journals, you might die from a misprint".

                  • 4 votes
                  #9.3 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 7:38 PM EDT
                  ntq

                  What are you basing your advice to Ellen on? What research on the subject have you done?Where are the studies?What is your medical background?

                  Sorry to interrupt your business but "slavery" is not beneficial in any form and for any reason.

                  "Be careful of reading cheap medical journals, you might die from a misprint".

                  Excellent quote but irrelevant application. Here, I have one for you: "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public" (Adam Smith)

                    #9.4 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
                    RDW-375737

                    Slavery? I believe you are off on a tangent...I presume that since you did not respond to my questions you have no medical background or legitimate research to back up your misinformation...Understand that I am not being confrontational with you, I am merely trying to express my opinion and establish the basis of your information.

                    • 3 votes
                    #9.5 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 8:29 PM EDT
                    Skye -1143593

                    You misread the graph. It does not say that fish oil is used for back pain. It said back pain is the number on reason people seek alternative treatments and that fish oil is the number one supplement. It did not correlate the two.

                    Having worked for the last 20 years as a caregiver often with clients who used alternative therapies as a last resort, I can honestly say that I've seen people die more quickly from results of allopathic (mainstream) treatments and more people 'heal' more quickly from use of alternative therapies that include supplements and dietary and lifestyle changes than those who do not use them.

                    One allopathic doctor told a client with congestive heart disiease 'don't bother watching your salt intake, you're going to die anyway'. Clients with chronic emphysema are rarely encouraged to quit smoking (that's the patients choice) and dietary guidance is rarely give to patients who are overweight. Getting a doctors office to call back with concerns about side effects of drugs within three days of cotacting doctors office is rare. It usually take the intervention of a triage nurse to get a call back within two days. In meantime someone already suffering and bedridden is experiencing chronic diarrhea and becoming seriously dehydrated.

                    One client ended up in emergency after passing out in waiting room after a three hour sit with no explantion as to why to be able to get reapproval to take swimming classes that would benefit her heart condition (medicare now requires an in person visit to doctors office to get re-upped for such beneficial activities). Another elderly woman died after suffering for 2 months after being given her roommates medication. The nurses had not noticed that she had been in a stupor until the family went to check on her and offered family no consolation when family discovered this.

                    Yes the drug companies already create treatments by 'tweaking' the genetic patterns of herbal remedies so that they can patent them (almost all drugs are based on an plant bases origin). Unfortunately for them, plants are more effective when used as a 'whole' and not as a synthetic (cheaper) quasi-duplication. Hospital patients are required to purchase aspirin from the hospital at $5 a hit. The cost of even simple surgeries can bankrupt an average family. And anyone wonders why many are seeking alternatives.

                    I've heard accounts from office nurses about how much time doctors spend with drug company reps (your ten minute visit is miniscule compared to time spent with reps), the perks they get (doctors never pay for their own lunch) and amount of free equipment offered for favoring one company over another.

                    I want choice and the FDA is still trying to figure out a way to take that away from me. I have a God-given body that is proven to know how to heal when given proper nutrition and using lifestyle choices that are not self-destructive. Go figure! It's ironic to me that people believe that Jesus was a healer (I certainly do) yet do not understand the immense value of the God-given tools we've been blessed with that don't require a prescription.

                    BTW this article was so full of errors about reiki that I'm surprised it even made it to press. If anything it will serve to alert people to start speaking up and standing up to one of the unhealthiest and detrimental entities in our culture-the drug 'industry'.

                      #9.6 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 12:27 AM EDT
                      EmilyPharmD

                      Skye - 1143593. while being taught to be a pharmacist, for every chronic disease state that has now become a practical epidemic, evidence based (allopathic) medicine guidelines include advising intense dietary and lifestyle changes in our patients before beginning prescription medication. fish oil is also something we have included in therapy to treat patients with undesirable cholesterol profiles. the sad fact is that the majority of patients do not make these changes and have the mindset, "i don't need to change anything i'm doing, i can take a pill and it will fix everything and make it all better." i absolutely believe that people should institute intense dietary and lifestyle modifications before resorting to prescription medication, as all medications have side effects that we have to monitor for. however, there is absolutely a time for medications to be used. it is always better to do things the natural way (proper diet and exercise) when possible, but medications save lives when it comes to the point where they are needed! you will meet very few pharmacists that want you to take medication when it is unnecessary. i work in a city now where this would not go over as well, but recently moved from a city where it did: pts who needed and were prescribed medication would sometimes ask, "what else can i do? maybe i can stop taking this eventually, right?" my response was usually the same, as this is the cure or prevention for just about everything: proper diet (and i did give them details as to what this was), regular aerobic and weightbearing exercise (again, gave examples), regular massage and yoga to reduce stress. i often got responses of surprise that i did not recommend an over-the-counter supplement and explained that i believe in trying to mitigate/prevent disease in the aforementioned ways, and that there is no FDA regulation of supplements, so i feel uncomfortable recommending something if i don't truly know what it is.

                      you mention MDs that tell pts with CHF they will die anyway and do not counsel emphysema pts (all emphysema sufferers are considered to have chronic disease) on smoking cessation. i have never met providers like this and believe they are few and far between. it is well known by healthcare providers that pts who have better control of chronic disease states cost less to our healthcare system due to less admissions to hospitals with complications and other associated costs.

                      in regards to calling MDs and waiting for days for answers about side effects, i would encourage anyone with concerns about their medications to contact their pharmacist. we are the medication experts. we went to school for our degree for a minimum of 6 years and can give you immediate answers. we love to be pt advocates, and it is our job!

                      many drugs are created as a result of plant research. those that are available for use to treat the general public have been shown through a great deal of testing to be effective. you are correct that the costs of our healthcare system are outrageous. when allopathic medicine has told a pt, "we have no more options to offer you," i understand why that pt would seek alternative treatment, and i do not condemn it.

                      as far as drug company reps. there are no free perks, excepting a meal. a long time ago there was, but these have all been eliminated...including things as small as pens and notepads. things are now much more regulated. absolutely nothing with a logo is allowed. a modest meal may be provided, only if accompanied with an educational program that has nonbiased information regarding drug therapy. i know this because i participate in the same meetings and meals, etc. with drugs reps as MDs do, and i was required to learn this in school.

                      there are many God-given tools that may save lives that don't require a prescription, but there are also many that do, and are worth equal consideration when a pt's condition warrants it.

                      i'm sorry to hear you feel that the drug 'industry' is one of the unhealthiest and detrimental entities in our culture. i will reiterate that if most people took proper care of themselves in the beginning, they would not reach the point of needing medication for a long time, and that it is rare that any MD or pharmacist wants to prescribe or dispense medication when it is unnecessary. this does nothing to help us. believe me, people are sick and business is booming as it is - we need no help in this area. maybe that's part of the reason you are complaining about the miniscule 10 minutes you get to spend with your MD!

                      • 2 votes
                      #9.7 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 1:58 AM EDT
                      ntq

                      Slavery? I believe you are off on a tangent...I presume that since you did not respond to my questions you have no medical background or legitimate research to back up your misinformation..

                      Keep your research to yourself. You're not God or anywhere near it. Stop hammering voices with your pathetic degrees which don't mean anything to me. As an individual who's successfuly managed to keep himself and his family *(wife & 3 children) well clear from you doctors, I find myself eligible enough to question the half- done knowledge of modern medicine which profiteers like you are constantly trying to impose on the public as the only remedy for health problems.

                        #9.8 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 10:06 AM EDT
                        Karri-M

                        Skye -- it sounds like you knew some very bad doctors.

                          #9.9 - Tue Jun 9, 2009 11:24 PM EDT
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                          Alaskans

                          People generally agree that they like science. Unfortunately, people generally don't think like scientists.

                          Doctors have an ethical (and legal) obligation to provide therapy that is proven effective for their sick patients: The "Gold Standard" of evidence based medicine involves a random double blind clinical trial. I want my doctor to give me the facts first, her clinical experience second and her "hunch" last. Alternative practitioners practice it backwards. Hunch first, supported by unverifiable experience with no facts. And before I'm told, "but look at all the medical errors that kill people each year in evidence based hospitals." First thing is first, negligence is not the same as fraud. Evidence based procedures are sound, but practitioners can still err. Alternative practioners' therapies usually have no evidence and make wild cure-all claims: fraud.

                          Folks, if all the maladies that alternative practitioners claim can be cured, wouldn't you think Big Pharm and Big Doc would patent them and make trillions? But that's beside the main point.

                          The medical community gets so much thrown at them from folks who simply don't understand the scientific method. When was the last time an engineer was told to construct a bridge out of "toothpicks and creamcheese" instead of steel? Why isn't there alternative engineering?

                          There is an art to medicine, but without facts and training you're better off going into the woods and asking a bear to fix your energy balance alignment issues.

                          Ugh.

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#10 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 3:54 PM EDT
                          Ed Wood

                          Good post Alaskans. Check out this article on Alternative Flight. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=34

                          • 2 votes
                          #10.1 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 10:49 PM EDT
                          Alaskans

                          Thanks for the link. I tend to speak up about subjects like this when they pop up here. For me there is no such thing as Traditional Medicine, Eastern Medicine, Allopathic Medicine, Alternative Medicine, etc. There is one medicine. The one that works. Once an alternative practice is verified to work it becomes medicine and not the other way around.

                          • 2 votes
                          #10.2 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 4:52 AM EDT
                          Alway

                          The problem is... This sort of faulty reasoning really makes for deceptive arguments which upon closer examination have no merit. It isn't just medicine. The same style of argument is used for all sorts of destruction of rational thought. Global warming, evolution, CFCs, tobbacco, ect. "Alternative" science pretty much equals fake science.

                          That is not to say herbal supplements and other such things are all worthless, what I mean is anything which has not been tested rigorously via the scientific method is something which should NEVER by prescribed to a patient.

                          And on treating the "spirit:" Sure the mind is part of the body (a big part) and must be treated as well, but please, stop calling the mind the "spirit." This is not medieval Europe, so lets please get over the obsession with witches and demonic spirits coming to eat your soul.

                          • 2 votes
                          #10.3 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 12:53 PM EDT
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                          Pam in Virginia

                          I have to say I was so glad to read this article I have for years sought out alternative treatments to ailments ect and every single time IT WORKS! period and now it seems finally alternative medcine is going to get a chance....in other countries its main stream....I need hip replacement and I refuse to take the pain meds etc so I go once a month and get a deep tissue massage and the relief I get from that is unreal...I take my supplements and just keep going I have to I have no insurance just like most of the USA....My grandmother was a great believer in herbs etc and it has made me always seek out other treatments....um I think that maybe 'going back to the old ways' :-) excellent article

                          Thank Goodness!!! the medical community sees it to

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#11 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 6:56 PM EDT
                          0ddity

                          Why don't you get an alternative hip replacement?

                          • 3 votes
                          #11.1 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 7:43 PM EDT
                          Xerxes-727854

                          Or an "alternative" heart bypass.

                          • 2 votes
                          #11.2 - Sun Jun 7, 2009 11:40 PM EDT
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                          NB25

                          certain alternative therapies could be quackery but i see nothing wrong with herbal or nutritional methods. remember many modern drugs came from certain extracts found in nature. i would not necessarily trust an herb to completely cure an ailment, but rather they're meant to strenghten the body's defenses. i have a chronic ailment that i had to take many prescriptions for, but when i added supplements i was able to cut down on the meds. not placebo at all...the supplement is meant to help damaged tissue and it worked....not to mention that many herbs and foods are anti-inflammatory. that is NOT a theory, its pretty well known.

                            Reply#12 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 10:42 AM EDT
                            Karri-M

                            Some herbs can interfere with certain medications. Some "supplements" are dangerous; just look at the recalls by the FDA. Make sure you tell your health care provider what supplements you are taking.

                            (And, yes, many medications are the result of work on herbs and other "alternative" methods -- but they were rigorously tested and refined.)

                            • 2 votes
                            #12.1 - Tue Jun 9, 2009 11:28 PM EDT
                            MyOpIA

                            Most of the trouble people get into with herbal remedies is that they don't treat them with the same respect as prescription medications.

                            When someone on anticoagulants or antiarrhythmics sits down to a few cups of chamomile tea, they shouldn't be too surprised if they have trouble. Herbs deserve the same amount of investigation as the pharmaceuticals, but until people start being more responsible for themselves we'll continue to hear about how the "herbs caused a problem", when really it's stupidity that's the culprit.

                            • 3 votes
                            #12.2 - Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:25 AM EDT
                            EmilyPharmD

                            Karri-M and MyOplA are absolutely right.

                            my practice is in an emergency department and i can attest to the fact that patients end up in the hospital and have died from interactions between supplements and medications they are taking to treat very serious medical conditions. in some cases, patients taking no other medications die from the supplements they are taking, and there are some famous examples that i will mention. i'm sure you recall: kava kava (death due to liver failure), fen phen (death due to lung and heart damage). as far as I know, kava kava is considered an herbal remedy/alternative medicine. fen phen is a great example of an OTC supplement that escapes FDA oversight, but i don't believe it claimed to be an herbal remedy. i have seen men who have had to seek emergent treatment for adverse effects of OTC supplements that claim to enhance their performance in the bedroom. lack of FDA oversight of the safety of these substances and proof of their efficacy is a serious problem.

                            some interactions are well-known, and others we cannot know because supplements are not FDA-approved and therefore are not included in trials. the unknown is part of what makes the interactions so dangerous. guess how we found out about the interactions that we know of so far? patients that took supplements while taking their prescribed medications and experienced an adverse event.

                            as i've said before, i do not pass judgment on the treatment path a patient or consumer takes, i simply think one needs to be well-informed, and so do their caregivers. if you or someone you know takes prescription medication and takes any supplements, it is vital that the pharmacist and doctor are aware of this so they can keep this in mind when taking care of you. we need the whole picture, or we can't take proper care of you!

                            • 1 vote
                            #12.3 - Wed Jul 1, 2009 1:51 PM EDT
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                            wwolf

                            Personally I prefer to wait until a friday the 13th around midnight, run to a cemetary, strip down naked, grab a black cat by the tail, swing it around my head chanting "klatu virata nictu" and dance my illnesses away for another year. Does it cure anything? Not hardly but it is amusing.

                            I think for actual treatments for real illnesses etcetera I will stick to putting my faith into the trained professionals ie; doctors etcetera whether I can afford it or not. The moment I enter a hospital where a nurse and a doctor start dancing around a bed waving their arms and chanting or not chanting, to cure cancer, a heart attack, kidney failure etcetera. I will gladly inform them that the checks in the mail and move onto someone who actually does know what they are doing.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#13 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 12:32 PM EDT
                            Brandon-801865

                            It's about time that we learn from 5000 years of Chinese and Indian medicine.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#14 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 5:11 PM EDT
                            0ddity

                            It thats what is really effective, why were infant mortality rates and average lifespans so bad until the advent of modern medicine that came with a proper understanding of how the human body works? (Hint, its not chi or chakras or nonsense like that, its veins, nerves, protein receptors, etc.)

                            • 3 votes
                            #14.1 - Mon Jun 8, 2009 5:56 PM EDT
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                            Alaskans

                            It seems to me that alternative medicine is here to stay for sometime. Obviously it is filling a need. I may not agree with the science or methodology but who can argue that millions feel a need that isn't met by the established medical system? So in a certain sense scientists have failed these people and I deeply regret this.

                            It may be as simple as an alternative practitioner spending an hour "listening" to their patient rather than the hurried ER physician pigeon holing drug seekers, ear infections and probable viral illnesses into 15minute statistics.

                            I understand why physicians operate the way they do. They have an enormous responsibility and are viewed as gods who better not make a mistake and basically have no life. The great ones are some of the most altruistic folks I've had the pleasure of meeting. I know I would have a hard time coming to work if I was routinely spit on, yelled at, exposed to disease and threatened with lawsuits. Who would want that job? Thankfully some do.

                            I am lucky to have a great medical doctor. She really listens, is a great diagnostician, and though I don't expect her to remember my dog's cancer, she somehow does. Not exactly medicine, but it likely has a subconscious effect on my respect for her and therefore I'm more inclined to see her again and follow her advice.

                            In the end we are all ultimately are own healthcare advocate. If you can sleep at night and feel content on your course of care, who am I to judge? But if asked for specifics I will certainly voice my opinion!

                            Now I have to go urinate. It's expensive urine today, I took a vitamin. :)

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