Great-grandma dared cop to Tase her — so he did

You are the one full of it. The "lady" was out of line.

i second that hb. the cop did the right thing. and by the way. voltage does not kill you and definitely does not make your heart stop. voltage does not effect organs in any way. only your muscles. amps kill you, not voltage.

The 'lady' needs a dementia work-up while in custody and a review of her medications.

Shame on that foul-mouthed, grumpy granny who was breaking the law and refusing to accept responsibility for her bad behavior.

The cop showed restraint as she escalated the situation. They were on the edge of a very busy highway and it was the responsibility of law enforcement to gain control of a situation that was getting worse and could have ended tragically.

At what age do we excuse outrageous behavior?

I would have tased that old @!$%# too! Did you see her behavior?
I am a big proponent of police reform but this is hardly an example of abuse.
He tried repeatedly to gain her cooperation.She asked for it and got it.
You don't argue with police.That is what courts are for.

Carrie W, you are totally incorrect. Kathryn Winkfein was speeding and got caught breaking the law. She is not God.

Next time, she should just follow the law.

Jordan-335053, you are absolutely correct in that amps kill, NOT tasers. Tasers just cramp up the tas-ee so bad they wish they were dead! & water-boarding is the same: just an innocuous act of presuasion...never killed a thing...just ask Mancow; he went a full 9 seconds being water-boarded on camera! Nothing to it.

Wrong-o Carrie. Did you WATCH the video? That crazy old bag needed to be tazed just to shut her up.

Cranky old biddy.

Just because you are an ol' lady doesn't give you permission to act like a jack ass.

Was she on some hurry to get to Walmart for a door buster or something?

I think the cop was out of line. A taser should be used as a last resort when you cannot control someone. How could he not just grab and cuff a little 72 year old woman?

Doesn't that idiot have grandparents? If he did he would know that old school does not take to rudeness well. You don't tase a 72 year old Great Grandmother, ever. What a fool.

Not only doesn't age give you an excuse to break the law, you'd think by 73 years old you'd know better. That guy gave her every chance he could. If she was a 30 year old, he surely wouldn't have put up with her behavior half as long as he did.

How silly that she is complaining. From the video it is very clear that she is fully to blame for happened. Seeing her in action, I wouldn't have blamed the guy if he would have hit her a few times with his nightstick for good measure.

Manure are you saying that a 72 year old woman must stand there and not answer back to a punk who went out of control? To you it is perfectly ok to tase her "To shut her up". Why not just shoot her? Or how about beating her? Why not. She needs to be shut up doesn't she?

You get the award for thinking beating her with a nightstick would be good.

Pulleease...

He did the right thing, He could have broken an arm or something if he tried to wrestle with her.

Carrie-you know it's ok for grandma to take responsibilty for her behavior, which she has not and has blatantly lied about it. It's also ok for her to suffer unpleasant consequences for failing to do so. The officer clearly was not abusing his power, demonstrated self-restraint, and ultimately protected this lady, and himself, by following this course of action.

Wake up and grow up Carrie. What are you 13?

That sorry ass cop cannot even control a 72 year old woman. Cops sure have become wimps. He needs angry management. Sorry ass has a short fuse he should not be a peace officer.

The cop showed restraint, SK. The granny was out of control and getting worse. he kept things from becoming tragic. Granny owes the cop an apology and she owes the state a big fine and perhaps even her car keys. She is a menace.

She was out of line. He had a job to do and he did it. She only agreed to follow a direction after she found that she had already taken the situation to the next level. She broke the law, refused to sign the ticket, resisted arrest, attempted to flee,endangered both herself and the officer on a busy road, then lied to anyone who would listen to get back at the officer and/or police dept.This would not even be discussed if she was not 72. As for tasing her, that was the best option. Or do you think he should he wrestle her down and put a knee in her back while he cuffed her, and risk doing some real damage.

I'm so sick of people like Carrie and Norcal2 always blaming the police. My brother was a police officer and let me tell ya - they do what they have to to protect you, me, and even the idiots that break the law.

The police can't win: if he had used reasonable force her to keep her off the road to avoid her getting hit (you know - protecting her from herself !) - he's abusing her. If he used reasonable force to arrest her (which she asked for by her behavior and her mouth) and her brittle old bones broke - he's abusing her. She was foul-mouthed, uncooperative, and refused to do as she was told AFTER breaking the law and putting others at risk by her speeding - she got what she asked for and good for the policeman!

Next time something happens and you folks need a cop, Carrie and Norcal2, please don't call a cop - you take care of it yourself ! That way we KNOW the 'right thing' will be done . . .

Don't tase me, son!

I hate to agree with you on this one, but the officer was way out of line. He seemed to be to eager to use the taser (trigger happy), and even after he tased her the first time and she was on the ground, why did he need to do it the second time.

The officer was more than twcie her size and could have easily used other options in handcuffing her.

If she sues, then give her $1 for being an absolute a$$ and for taunting the officer.

The reason he tased her, as opposed to using physical force, is because they were on the shoulder of a road. There are too many variables with a physical takedown, that might involve one or both of them being put in harms way by moving traffic. Secondly, she more than likely has been a disrespectful, rude human-being her entire life, and being a great grandmother is no excuse for improper behavior. She merely had to comply with the officer and fight the ticket in court like any civilized human being. I can't wait to see what defense her attorney uses; maybe he can use the "hot flashes" defense.

Since I live in Texas, I understand the woman's frustration with the "Good Ole Boy" police, who are the best at speed traps and stopping you for ridiculous reasons, however, being profane and abusive is no way to help yourself. She really was out of control, got to hand it to her, for 72 she can cuss with the best of them!

Carrie, did you watch the video?? She was rude, out of line, not complying with the officer's orders and combative. She deserved to get what she got. She should have just signed the ticket and not caused this issue. And now she's caught in a lie. Stupid woman.

Let's take the factor of her being a Great Grandmother out of the picture. Now let's address her age. 72 years old. Let's address another factor. She was driving well over the speed limit, SHE chose to do. Another important factor. If she would have crashed into another vehicle, seriously injuring other people. would police be badgered because they didn't do their job? This woman chose to do what she did. Plain and simple, she broke the law of the state speed limit. She was pulled over and did NOT comply with the officer. That alone is called, "Resisting arrest" If anyone, regardless of age, resist arrest, they will pay the consequences. If this woman was not tazered, and the officer had to use physical force, what do you think the media would have reported then? I can see the story now. " Police Officer Beats elderly woman at routine traffice stop. You people that want to defend this woman are no more than a loser yourself.

For all you that say we will be yelling for a cop when you need one I answer that wont be me. Mr. Smith abd Mr Wessdon along with Mr, Glock protect me just fine and they asre both always ready and at hand. You have to do that when you live in a remote area, like a long way from a donut shop.

Her landing was nifty...almost like an experienced parachutist. Those Texas women are tough!

Keep in mind - If what the cop did was OK - then a student who dares a teacher to punch him in the mouth is getting what he asked for when the teacher does punch him.

In this state he could have arrested her and brought her to jail. A Taser can KILL people. It should only be used under very specific circumstances - this was NOT one of them. Because some cops are really stupid - many police forces no longer allow them to be used at all. Seems many cops don't view it as a life threatening device. Older people are especially susceptible to heart failure due to the shock.

So dongie, what did you expect him to do? Wrestle her into an arrest and accidentaly break her arm in the process? At that age the act of wrestling and arm breaking can also cause a heart attack. He did the right thing and i'm happy to see that most people are on his side.

The cop was WAY out of line. Ooooh, a 72 year old woman a threat to an uniformed officer who is TWICE her size. WOW. Cops are taser happy. I deal with cops daily for my job. Some are great but some are just complete jerks...like this one. If this cop tased MY 70 year old mom, I think I would be getting arrested for assaulting an officer (which would also result in me getting fired from my job). Hey all of you cops out there: use SOME discretion and common sense already. Are you going to taze my 6 year old son too? Just because you are a cop, doesnt mean I need to 'sit' like a dog for you because you are a CONTROL FREAK...or the thumb sucker kid who got picked on in school.

I disagree with Carrie W. The officer was totally in the right, doing what he has been trained for many years to do. The great-grandmother was the one who was abusing her power trying to get back into her vehicle (probably to drive off, thinking she wouldn't get caught) and not sign the traffic ticket. People who throw their weight around saying they are in the right generally have no idea how incorrect they really are. The Texas grandma was the piece of sh*t for giving the officer a difficult time and daring him to do his job. I don't care if she was 72 or 22. Age does not give someone the right to act foolish and just plain stupid. The officer did everything in his power to NOT tase the woman, and he finally had been pushed far enough (no different than any other human being, actually). Shame on the great-grandma for lying to reporters and the general public. You'll notice now that she has hired an attorney and has finally figured out to keep quiet. And shame on those who think the officer was abusing his power.

Carrie: So he should have just let her go and do what ever she wanted because she's a great grandmother? How about a bank robbery? I'm sure it's OK for her to do that because she learned how to spread her legs and reproduce. And then taught that special talent to her offspring, right?

Norcal: Do you have any idea what it is like to be a police officer, or constable. All day and night long you deal with people that you do not know. You do not know for instance that the 72 year old woman you stop has a pistol in her truck, do you? You don't know if she is going to walk out on to the highway and get plowed under by an 18 wheeler towing a D9 tractor do you? You don't know if she is a martial arts instructor somewhere, do you? As a police officer / constable you can't afford to assume anything, unless of course you want to be the nations next officer killed in the line of duty.

sk114whatever: Angry management? really? Maybe you should take some English management. Just a suggestion. Or so maybe you can understand, some Engamish managerment.

It's really as simple as this, the constable did what he should have done. The old b/tch asked for it, and eventually she got it. And all it hurt was her pride.

If the cop had manhandled the 72 year old woman to put the cuffs on her you would still be yelling about police brutality. He did exactly what he needed to. Just watch the video of her claiming she did nothing wrong and you'll see her intentions. If you don't like Cops that doesn't mean you should want them to stop doing their job. That's just dumb.

You have got to be kidding. That old heifer was behaving like an idiot. I would have tazed her myself. The police officer was trying to keep her off the highway and she kept walking toward it. She was putting her life and his life in danger. She deserved what she got. Being old does not mean you have the right to be a creep.

First, the whole incident is on camera. Why do they need her to sign the ticket?

Second, how was she threatening the officer?

Third, it was just a speeding ticket. How does the officer use this kind of force on a 72 year old lady over a speeding ticket?

Fourth, TAZERS ARE DEADLY. Many people have died. Heart attacks are not uncommon. (OK you don't agree? You TAZER an Officer and they will shoot you. The police will say that you used a DEADLY weapon against them.)

Fifth, the officer pushed the old lady. That is ASSAULT. He should be charged. (Note that after he pushed her, HE STOOD EXACTLY WHERE SHE WAS STANDING. So no one can say he was looking out for her safety. He disproved that himself by standing where she was. If it was unsafe, he would not stand there.)

He did not proceed to arrest her after he assaulted her. So he cannot say it was in the act of cuffing her.

This is not suprising in a country that has the highest percentage of it's population in jail. (Not Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, No Other Country). The psychological profile of our police is the same as the NAZI SS. (Most will agree that the SS were some of the worst people in history). No, not accountants, lawyers, or even mass murderers. They have a mental defect that means they have to be in control. I suppose you could say the NAZI SS protected the German population.

Police beat their wives at a higher rate than average. They have to control everything in their lives, including their wives.

No officer is entightled to politeness. People can be crude or rude. That is their right. Obviously you will catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but there is no law saying you must be polite to a police officer. We don't need an officer who takes people in and tazers them just for speeding. She did not assault him, she questioned him. I guess that's enough for this officer to assault and then use a deadly weapon on her.

To those who say: "They protect us." Statistics show that the least crime is where the least cops are. Think about that.

The only thing they protect are other officers and their own egos.

There is a reason they are called pigs.

It's easy to jump to conclusions by seeing a headling like "Elderly woman tazed." Excellent thorough reporting on the article. After I read exactly what happened, I strongly feel the cop did the right thing.

She had the attitude that since she's a 72 year old elderly woman, that she can get away with whatever she wants. "Take me to jail!" "Go ahead and taze me." These are open-ended threats that she never imagined in a million years the cop would follow up on.

Don't be stupid and just REACT to a headline or create the story in your head. Read the details and if you're intelligent enough, you'll come to the same conclusion as most of us that the cop was in the right.

Another score for women's liberation!!!!!! She was rightfully treated exactly how any other person would be if they acted in such a manner. It is nice to see true equality at play.

If she showed up at a job interview and was told "sorry you are old and female" she probably would have sued for gender and age discrimination...

Sorry Grandma, can't have it both ways....just because you are old and gray you can still get tased. There are consequences to your actions and they should not be mitigated by age,race or gender.

Carrie,

Obviously you watched a different video. OR forgot to take the same meds the old lady forgot to take! She was speeding 20mph over in a construction zone!! My friends father was killed working in a construction zone by someone just like her. Judging from your response I would imagine you speed in them as well probably while text messaging or sitting in the phone yapping with one of your trailer park girlfriends. Get a clue lady because you are truely a MORON

There is absolutely no way that Officer Chris Beize abused his power. It was the great-grandma that broke the law in the first place - speeding. She got what she deserved for her wrong doing - a ticket. Acting like a child, instead of an adult she taunted and used profanity at the officer and challenged him to tase her. Instead of signing the ticket and acknowledging that she did a wrong - driving 60 mph in a 45 mph zone, she chose the worst possible option to use instead of signing the ticket - going to jail. She had a change of heart after sending Officer Beize through all that bull, when he proceeded to arrest her - she owes him an apology, which will never happen because this particular great-grandma is no lady!

The officer was probably suspended with pay pending an investigation. The video from the officer's car speaks for itself. A picture/video is worth more than a thousand words!

Thank you Officer Beize for pulling this woman over for driving way too fast in a 45 mph zone. She deserved what she got, and maybe the next time she decides to break the law, she will have learned to keep her big mouth shut, sign the ticket and then be on her merrily little way! Heck, she could have gone to a lawyer and had the ticket reduced down to a parking ticket. Most speeders benefit from doing that, why not her? The laws are pretty lenient. Tsk, tsk, tsk!

Carrie, are you an idiot or just plain stupid? That woman should still be in jail, she is a menace to society. If she disagreed with the ticket she should have taken it to court. Every time the officer had to push her out of the line of traffic, he put himself between her and the traffic first. Thereby putting his own life at risk. She should have charged with attempted assault on a police officer. She should have license permenantly revoked, her automobile insurance permenantly cancelled and her vehicle should be donated to a charity. How dare she, "I'm gonna get in my car and leave". What should the officer have done when she resisted arrest? Kicked her feet out from under, pushed her head into the pavement and then put the cuffs on her? That's what the police usually do when you refuse an order. Or maybe you think he should have just let her go. After all she's a Great-grandma. Bull. She just a bitc* who's used to pushing people around and she met a cop who pushed back. AGE is not an excuse. If anything a great-grandmother should have behaved with more dignity, hell, with any dignity.

Well J.E.B. tough if you are sick of it. You give little credit to all the good police when you pretend a bad one represents all the good ones. There is a reason why little old great grandmas do not get tased and why the one that did made the headlines. Most cops are better than this cop. I do support the police and in fact you'd be hard pressed to know a good policeman who would not be upset over this story as well.

Be real. There is nothing to protect and this guy does not represent most police officers or great grandmas would be dropping like flies from the brutal cop beatings and tasing.

You sell police short.

Ryan In Texas Clearly you have no idea do you?

First, the whole incident is on camera. Why do they need her to sign the ticket?

By signing the ticket you are agreeing to appear in court, simple.

Second, how was she threatening the officer?

She did not obey his lawful orders, watch the video a few more times until it sinks in.

Third, it was just a speeding ticket. How does the officer use this kind of force on a 72 year old lady over a speeding ticket?

So age is the issue? Old people commit crimes too, speed, failure to comply to a lawful order, resisting arrest......

Fourth, TAZERS ARE DEADLY. Many people have died. Heart attacks are not uncommon. (OK you don't agree? You TAZER an Officer and they will shoot you. The police will say that you used a DEADLY weapon against them.)

Never proven, site your source please. Also if you assault a peace officer you get what it coming to you.

Fifth, the officer pushed the old lady. That is ASSAULT. He should be charged. (Note that after he pushed her, HE STOOD EXACTLY WHERE SHE WAS STANDING. So no one can say he was looking out for her safety. He disproved that himself by standing where she was. If it was unsafe, he would not stand there.)

She tried to push past him, again look at the video and pay attention. "If it was unsafe, he would not stand there." You really make no sense, police put themselves in danger on every traffic stop.

He did not proceed to arrest her after he assaulted her. So he cannot say it was in the act of cuffing her.

He attempted to cuff her and she pulled away. Older people have brittle bones (unlike you who appear to have a thick head) and a wrestling match may have been out of the question.

This is not suprising in a country that has the highest percentage of it's population in jail. (Not Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, No Other Country). The psychological profile of our police is the same as the NAZI SS. (Most will agree that the SS were some of the worst people in history). No, not accountants, lawyers, or even mass murderers. They have a mental defect that means they have to be in control. I suppose you could say the NAZI SS protected the German population.

Put down the weed and look in your history books again, you sound stupid. Where do you come up with this? You paint a very broad picture of LEOs.

Police beat their wives at a higher rate than average. They have to control everything in their lives, including their wives.

Source please?

No officer is entightled to politeness. People can be crude or rude. That is their right. Obviously you will catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but there is no law saying you must be polite to a police officer. We don't need an officer who takes people in and tazers them just for speeding. She did not assault him, she questioned him. I guess that's enough for this officer to assault and then use a deadly weapon on her.

No it is not your right, the problem with some young people is that you think you have the right to do or say anything you please. Let me guess, mommy gave you everything until you pissed and moaned?

To those who say: "They protect us." Statistics show that the least crime is where the least cops are. Think about that.

You might be right, although your statement is flawed. If a cop is standing there, is a person more or least likely to commit a crime? Also, state these statistics you reference.

The only thing they protect are other officers and their own egos.

Again, your biased opinion.

There is a reason they are called pigs.

So now I ask, are you a spoiled little brat who thinks you know everything or a career criminal who has spent time in juvenile crying at night that no one understands you?

You're telling me that the cop couldn't overpower a 72 year old woman without a taser? There's a reason they are called 'less than lethal' weapons you know, they are still weapons and they are still dangerous, especially for older people.

Being a 72 year old female does not give one the right to break the law and then disobey the orders of an officer of the law. She didn't accept her misbehavior and thought that she was the one in control and she found out the hard way that she was not. Turn it around to be a black man in his twenties and see if people think the officer was out of line. Her behavior was atrocious and I beleive the police officer did the right thing. Plus she deserved it. What a rude, obnoxious, self centered woman. Glad she lives far far away from me.

Just another liberal that thinks the law applies to everyone but her and Obama.

Good thing she didn't say "SHOOT ME"!!! LOL!

so what was he supposed to do, she broke the law. would you rather he grab her, twist her arm behind her back, slam on onto the hood and cuff her. she got what she wanted and he was justified in his actions

I think they are both to blame, the cop should have called for back-up, he may have needed to call the ambulance service, they are trained in dementia and dealing with these sorts of things, she shouldn't have taunted the officer, but maybe she wasn't in her right mind. I just find it sad because he wouldn't want his grandmother or mother (elderly) treated this way. Call for back up first unless she had a gun for crying outloud. She may have escaped from the nursing home for all he knew. They do escape, or she could have had alzheimers, you just never know. I do think sometimes the cops abuse the power they have, some people shouldn't be given a badge or a gun, if she weren't elderly, I could see using the taser, he tased her because she asked for it, ok, well, what if she asked to be shot? Then what? Use common sense is what I am saying, some people just lack it, they want to go by the textbook.

MozeeToby tazing her was the only humane thing to do! I hope the judge throws out any case she has and bills her for the attorneys time the state uses to defend the cop for his righteous acts.

The headline should have read "Granny abuses cop and then lies about it to the news."

That out of shape lard butt cop was the one who made matters worse. If the old lady didn't want to sign for the traffic ticket then so be it. Issue the ticket lard butt and be on your way. But no, the cop who obviously has some insecurities about his manhood has to escalate the situation. A woman her age could have a multitude of physical ailments such as osteoporosis that being tased and falling could have resulted in a hip or vertebral fracture. This cop must have been picked on as a child and now that he is in a uniform where he doesn't belong picks on old women. Let him try that on me off duty...I'd show him what a man is.

carrie and ryan and all the other idiots today, that old broad was putting herself, the cop and passing drivers in danger as she tried to use her age and sex to get out of a ticket. if you all are ever the victim of a crime, you'll first pee yourselves, then cry why aren't there cops on every corner.

The Cop was indeed out of line, and so was granny. Shame on both of them. First, the granny, along with the rest of us, has a Consitutional right to Contract (that shall not be abridged, which includes the right to NOT contract). Meaning that the cop should never have allowed it to escalate to begin with. If she didn't want to sign, hand her the "ticket" and send her on her way. NOT CONTRACTING (signing the ticket) is not a crime and therefore not an "arrestable" offense, and even if there was a traffic law that allows for such, it is null and void since it would be against the Right to Contract. If in the course of handing her the ticket she actually commits a crime warranting an arrest such as assaulting an officer, then by all means. But tasing an old lady? Come on! Thats over the top!

LIBHTR - you ask for evidence, but present none of your own to refute what I said.

1. Example : Red light cameras. You don't have to sign anything to be ordered to apear in court.

2. Not obeying an order is not a threat in itself. Maybe a threat to the cops ego.

3.He did not say "I am placing you under arrest." When he assaulted her. So she could not be resisting arrest. There is no law governing where the suspect can stand. So its not a LAWFUL order to make her move. NO LAW = YOU CAN'T CLAIM YOU ARE ENFORCING A LAW.

4. He ultimately did cuff her. So it's silly to say he was afraid to hurt her brittle bones by cuffing her.

5. PSYCH 101. Psychological profiles are well accepted. Our police just happen to answer the questions the same way NAZI SS officers did.

6. Check out Google. Police and Spouse abuse. Has to do with the control issue. You can't control loved one the way you can the citizens. Leads to conflict. And it is under investigated (Drew Peterson had cops come to his home numerous times and nothing ever happened, To Officer Drew Peterson).

7. Anything that isn't against the law is legal. Show me the law that says you HAVE to be polite.

8. When you check the crime statistics and demographics, less crime happens where there are less cops. Go to any bad neighborhood and you will see plenty of cops on patrol. They do not prevent crime.

9. Clearly cops protect each other more than the citizens. How many speeding tickets do cops give to cops? Again see -Drew Peterson. The only thing the old lady did was to hurt the cops ego. He pushed and tazered her.

10. I didn't invent the term PIGS. But it has stuck with them for a reason. He could have just seen her in court, but she hurt his ego, so he had to show her who's the boss. (The public SERVANT)

11. You have shown who you really are. No facts, just blind faith. I wonder if the Jews had faith in the GERMAN POLICE before they carted them off and cooked them down to wax.

Notice, I did not resort to your name calling or personal insults. Not every cop beats his wife, but many do. If they don't like their behavior being criticized, I would think they should change their behavior. They act like they ARE THE LAW, when they are really a SERVANT to it.

TrueAmericanPatriot you are wrong. By signing you are stating that you agree to appear in court, if not then you must post bond at the PD, so you are arrested. You sound so sure of yourself in your statement right, then why did you follow up with "and even if there was a traffic law that allows for such"????

Not bashing you, like the nickname, just stating.

This cop is a retard pussy i mean if you have to use a taser to contral an old woman he must be mental. Then he was shoving her for no reason i mean come on thats not right if any one should have been tasered it would be him that cop should be fired!!!!

Maybe she just needed shock therapy instead of meds. Bet she don't play truth or dare anymore.

burgerkinglover problem is they usually have about 60 seconds to figure out the best plan. You have someone mouthing off getting your adrenaline going, they refuse instructions, are warned they will be arrested, they are removed from the vehicle to be arrested and they comply for 8/10ths of a second in hopes of being released, they are moving towards traffic which you have your back to endangering them both, he moves her back from pending danger and tells her to back off and she doesn't, He's already warned her to back off several times or he will have to tase her and she eggs him on and starts ranting about her age as if that gives her manesty, he has arleady advised her that she is being placed under arrest, she again tries to flee, invades his personal protective space and continues to mouth off.

No matter what the issue he has only a short time to pass judgment and in my opinion he did exactly what was needed to quickly resolve this situation. She was placed in protective custody and both individuals were now safe from harm. The evaluations can come later. This isn't a hostage stand-off.

Maybe before opening the door he could have opted to call someone in but frankly I think it would have been a waste of valuable resourses. Should we call in translaters for all the foriegn tongues if non english speaking drivers gets pulled over?

She's a criminal and she immediately went to the media and a lawfirm to try to ruin this guys career and maybe get some money and notoriety. Nothing more than a criminal. I could just imagine what her family tree must be like.

She thought because she was elderly she could act how she wanted and then turn around to sue. It was probably planned from the get go. I think it's funny she lied then has no comment when the video was released. She shouldn't be treated any different than any other suspect that would have acted that way.

She lied in her video to the news crew, that says enough about her character. No matter what the officer would have done he would have been wrong in her eyes because she thinks she is above the law. He simply asked her to sign a ticket and she refused. I can only imagine if the officer was hit by an oncoming car because she refused to move. She got what she asked for without any injury to either party.

Ryan, once again you are talking out your a$$.

Red light cameras are a totally different set of laws enacted by each community.

You bet not obeying a lawful order will be dealt with.

He cuffed her after she was compliant on the ground.

Psych 101, have no idea what you are saying there????

I never said you have to be polite, the more cops in bad areas is a no brainer that you are not getting.

No they are not a servent to the Law, just charged with inforcing the laws of the US Constitution. You also stated that you did not resort to name calling, I think you called the police PIGs, what about that?

You sound like the little old lady screaming about the police and the video told the truth. Have you heard a word from her since it's release? Kind of painted her to be a liar, kind of like you.

Maybe all those who are going on about she's 72 years old should go read today's story about the shooting in Washington DC at the Holocaust Museum by a 89 year old man. Age has no limit on acting irrational.

Carrie, sounds like that was your grandma. I hope you don't turn out the same.

LIBHTR - I didn't call you a name or insult you.

Obviously you have no facts as you present none. PSYCH 101 is the first psychology course in college.

Red light cameras are an example of not having to sign a ticket. There are tons of cases where someone is ordered to appear in court, but do not sign a statement to that effect.

What law was he enforcing when he told her to move? Again there is no law about where you can stand (other than not in the street) where she was is where people walk.

AFTER he assaulted her he tried to arrest her. So we cannot say that she was resisting arrest before he arrested her. (In my world time flows in one direction).

He cuffed her AFTER SHE FELL TO THE GROUND. But you think he was trying to protect her delicate body by tazing her.

THEY ARE SERVANTS TO THE LAW. THEY DO THE LAW'S BIDDING, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

And they are not effective at stopping crime. Go to a safe rural area. Notice there are no cops around? Go to a bad neighborhood, they are everywhere there. Again, if they had the effect of preventing crime, based on police presence, the inner cities would have low crime and the rural areas would have high crime.

I understand that the lady is now not making comments. Who is going to protect her from being assaulted by a police officer? The police? I can understand her fear. Police kill hundreds of people a year. Some die from tazers. I guess now she knows that the criminals and those whose threaten her a just as likely to wear a badge.

You call me a liar, but I have told you no lies.

Ryan, I think on some items we are both on the same page, just different ways of explaining. The liar comment was in reference to you calling the Cops Pigs and stating that had not resorted to name calling.

I had ask for evidence to back up what you stated, you ask me to prove you wrong. What are you smoking? You made a statement and I only ask you to site a source. You talk in circles and then ask me to prove your comments wrong.

I do know what Psych 101 is, I just did not understand your stement after. Asking for clearification. Read the first word as usual and make your comment.

You are comparing apple to oranges with the red light cameras. When you are stopped for a traffic infraction you are technically under arrest until you are permitted to leave. Don't believe me then test it the next time you are detained, just leave when you want and see the results.

How did he assult her? Also, he was in control of that traffic stop, if he told her to do something, she better do it. You may not like it, but thats life.

You brought up her age and said the 72 year old was not a threat, read the article about the 88 year old male that walked into the Holocaust Memorial Museum and opened fire with a rifle. I guess you will have an argument stating that this was a female and the shooter was male.

If you don't like it then get the laws changed and when the day comes that you need a "PIG", I hope they are too late for you or someone you love.

The 72 year old DESERVED IT.

I support the police 100%. There is no doubt that some are corrupt or abuse their duty. HOWEVER, resisting arrest is neither the time or place to complain about corruption or abuse.

If the police are ignored and the police ignore the person ignoring them, then what good are the police? Kind of like our open borders. The state (ie, government) charges the police with enforcing the law.

She did not sign the ticket in TX. You will be brought to jail in CA if you don't sign the ticket. I suspect this is true in most municipalities.

Sign the freaking ticket lady and shut up. You deserved everything you got and guess what? I don't care if you have a lawyer. You will lose.

My apologies. I should have said they are PIG LIKE. They love to root around looking to dig something up.

Yes, I am asking you to prove me wrong. So where's your proof?

If you are not under arrest, you can leave. Just because the police won't let you do it does not make it illegal. If someone with a gun says otherwise, you don't have a choice whether they have a badge or not.

Pushing a citizen is against the law. You don't push someone away to get them closer to you so you can put on handcuffs. So you are for enforcing the law, eh? So I'm confused about why you would oppose the Cop being arrested for assault. Cops have no authority from the law to push citizens. It is assault if we do it, it is assault if they do it. If he had pulled her down or pushed her onto the car so that he could cuff her, then it would not be assault.

The lady had no weapon. Only the cop did. He was much larger than her and heavily armed. Just like any thug would be.

If each citizen who were a victim of violent crime defended themselves with deadly force, there would be no crime. Victims are easy targets. The unarmed are easy targets. A false sense of security created by a reliance on "police" protection has led us to one of the highest violent crime rates in the world. It is 15 minutes for the police to get to me. I'm not so stupid as to think that they will come to my rescue. And I don't want them giving a speeding ticket to the ambulance if I should need one. As I have pointed out several times, go to the country the crime is low, and cops are scarce. I guess you would feel safer in the worst neighborhood in the inner city because there are plenty of cops there (per square mile or percent of population).

So I don't need the laws changed , just enforced. But we both know that Cops don't enforce the law on one another. I noticed you never responded to anything I said about Drew Peterson, America's most famous cop.

U DONT HAVE TOO SIGN A TICKET, they give you a court date if you dont sign ..not pull you out a car and taser you....and no you dont have to do everything that a police says, if it against morales and the law then you dont,u have rights ya no, cops lie to people all the time, they profile people.. it's what they are trained to do, they are trained in the art of cohersion..so no you dont have to listen too the cops or even responded to them,just hand them your license and insurance and thats it, you dont have to do anything else period,,this was against the law, he overstepped his boundry, he should have just gave her the ticket she dont have too sign, and that is it....NOT PULL HERE OUT THE CAR AND PRECEED TO ESCOLATE THE LADIES ANGER, he should be trained in how to avoid these problems not be trained to just finish them

If you are not under arrest, you can leave.

Ryan in Texas

I don't know under what circumstance you describe the above, but you must have forgotten that the woman WAS ARRESTED, or the cop was trying to arrest her.

Maybe in TX you can ignore a peace officer, but if you ignore a peace officer in CA, you will be punished accordingly.

U DONT HAVE TOO SIGN A TICKET, they give you a court date if you dont sign ..not pull you out a car and taser you....and no you dont have to do everything that a police says,

Black Horizon

You must live in New Orleans. If you come to CA with this attitude, you'll be in jail within the week.

Further, the lady resisted arrest. Tasing is an authorized use of force in that circumstance (not to mention, she asked for it).

I suggest you do not travel to CA because I believe we have more police per capita than any other state except maybe TX.

show me the law thats says he can arest someone for not signing the infaction ticket, show me dude, show me the law thats says you have to sign an admision of guilt, you dont, he should have given her a ticket and a courtdate period, not even ask here to step out the vehicle...your aloud to hell and scream and throw a fit its not illegal to do this to a police officer, he is the professional and should have followed the code in which this trafic stop should have been handled,...he is wrong and frak cali and its bull laws and alll the week as sheep that follow it, the only state ever to put a foreigner in office... like cali is better then anywhere else, and im from washington say what you wish, but remember this state supplys your with water and power maybe ill piss in it for ya...cali=garbaage of america, they all waste money and overspend beyond there means that is why cali is so broke

Ryan in Texass:

I don't think I have ever seen such an idiotic series of posts anywhere. Most of your statements remind me of someone that is a career criminal, that hates all police everywhere; because they keep you from the work you would like to be doing.

And some of your posts are simply beyond any understanding at all for a rational person.

First is the fact that you don't seem to understand (not much of a surprise there) that laws are different depending on what state or county you are in. In some states or counties you do not have to sign a speeding ticket. But in some states or counties you DO have to sign ANY ticket you are issued. And in those states or counties, you WILL be arrested if you do not sign the ticket. That is what happened here. The officer explained that to her, and she decided not to sign the ticket. At that time, the officer placed her under arrest and asked her to exit her vehicle so he could cuff her, and take her to the station.

Next is you foolish statement that the officer assaulted her. He did not assault her. He was attempting to move her so that he did not have to be standing so close to the traffic that was driving past. That is standard procedure for any law enforcement officer anywhere. If the person you are about to put in handcuffs will not move to a place that gives the officer a safe place to stand, they will indeed put their hands on the person and push them. It is not assault. It is an officer controlling someone that is under arrest and about to be handcuffed.

That should help a reasonable person. But I'm not sure about the " world you live in ", but the flow of time was as it always has been for all the rest of us normal people. In case you haven't figured it out yet, she was under arrest when he asked her to exit her vehicle. NOT after he pushed her out of the way so he did not have to stand so close to the flow of traffic.

Then there is your concept that when a police officer is dealing with you and preparing to handcuff you that he does not have the right to tell you where to stand. Try to understand this if you can. Even if you are not being arrested, if a police officer is doing anything with you, they do indeed have the right to tell you where you can and can not stand. And when you are under arrest as this woman was, then all of these types of rights are completely forfeit.

Then there is your mindless concept that police do not deter crime because there is high crime rates where there are the most police officers. What do you think the " high crime areas " would be like if there were NO police there? Do you think it would all go away? If you were correct then wouldn't the highest crime rates in every city be in the parking lot of the local police station? Maybe you think criminals follow police officers around and wait until there are 3 or more officers before they commit a crime?

Then of course there was the brilliant statement of " he cuffed her after she fell to the ground". Have you considered that he wanted to do that to her when she was still standing, but she never gave him the opportunity? I believe that he was trying to do that, but the woman started; and continued to escalate the situation to the point of him tazing her. Well, should he have let her get up so they could start the whole thing all over again?

Then of course there is the point that you put forward that tazers are deadly. And in that one narrow point of view I will accept what you say as truth. Just not reasonable truth. It's true that people have died after being tazed. but people have also died after being sprayed with water from a squirt bottle. And people have also died after being shown a scary picture. But if you want to consider how many times tazers are used with out anyone dying, then it should be realised how effective a tool it is for police. Especially when you consider the alternatives. Would you feel better if she had been sprayed with pepper spray? How about a couple quick whacks with his night stick? Or possibly just a little pistol whipping? Or just shoot her. And I am not going to let you fall back on the totally lame answer of " she is a 72 year old woman". That one just does not work. He was not trying to protect her body when he tazed her. He was protecting HIS body from any of thousands of things that could have gone wrong by letting her do what she wanted to do. As a police officer this man knew NOTHING about this woman. He did not know if she had a pistol in her truck. He did not know if she had a shotgun in her truck. He did not know if she is a martial arts instructor. To the officer, she was just somebody that he placed under arrest, and was trying to put her in handcuffs. He did not know anything else about her. That is why he was following standard procedure for EVERY police force ANYWHERE, by not allowing her to go back to the cab of her truck after he placed her under arrest.Any police officer anywhere is going to do everything they can to avoid wrestling with someone (even a 72 year old woman) they have arrested, and are wanting to handcuff.

As far as the old "lady" not making comments anymore. You weren't paying attention. She WAS making comments. She went to the press and told them what a horrible man the officer was, and that she did not do anything to provoke a tazing. Then she was shown the dashboard tape. After that she finally shut up. I don't really think any of your insinuated police threats had anything to do with it. I think that she finally saw what a total horses ass she was that day, and that everyone was going to see that she was the only one to blame for anything that happened that day; so she shut up.

The US Constitution overrides Texas law. You do not have to provide any evidence that incriminates yourself. So they PRETEND that it is to "promise to appear in court" however in actuality, it is used as evidence against you.

If you say : "I wasn't there."

They will say: "Isn't this your signature."

So what can you do when the Gov't doesn't follow the US Constitution but get mad?

Gary Cooper - Are you really trying to say that posting here is a waste of time? I've seen you spend plenty more than me here.

OK to the points.

He did not say : "Step out of the car, you are under arrest." You can be asked to step out of the car without being arrested. Pushing someone is not the same as trying to cuff them. He then stood exactly where she was, disproving that it was an unsafe place to stand. Watch the video. He stands exactly where she was for minutes.

I think you have read enough of the comments to realise that people are divided on this incident. So as for me being in another world, looks like I have plenty of company.

My point about the lack of a relation between police protection and crime is just to show the "who would protect us without the police" people that there is no evidence that it is the police who protect you. Why do you think home break ins occur in the daytime more than at night. - Because criminals don't want to get shot, not because the police are any more or less likely to catch them.

I also noticed that no one responds to any comment about Drew Peterson. He is a high profile example of how police enforce the law against their own.

You don't have to prepare to handcuff someone, you just do it.

As far as the lady could have a gun, she didn't. But if the cop is so scared of her, why would he push her? She knows his name. She could easily find him later if she was inclined to do something.

Look, I never said the lady was in the right, just that the cop was in the wrong as well. It was just a speeding ticket. Undoubtedly he sped faster to catch her to give her the ticket.

I like the moxie of the old lady. Someone has to have the coconuts to do it every once in a while.

It ain't me, I'm all yes sir, yes sir, yes sir boss. Just like I'm a slave. A slave to a PUBLIC SERVANT. I guess all I can really do is come on here an say:

COPS check yourselves. People (at least 1/3) don't like you. Years of Police BS has worn out your good welcome. Your behavior makes the problem, and your behavior can fix the problem. Shoving old ladies ain't gonna do it. Go solve some real crimes. I don't care when you shove murderers or rapists.

Ryan: It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. But she was under arrest when he opened her vehicles door. As far as him standing where she was after he pushed her. That's very observant of you. What you have failed to realise however is that if he had not pushed her so he could stand where she was standing, he would have been on the pavement of the highway. And a police officer does not have to tell you that he is placing you under arrest before they put handcuffs on you.

He gave her multiple opportunities to sign the ticket. she refused everytime. He then did what the local laws required him to do. He arrested her.

If you would bother to go back and watch the video, you will see him trying to put the handcuffs on her. At that point she pulls away from him. At that point he had the right to grab her and tackle her to the hood of the car, or the ground. He instead tried to subdue her verbally. She refused, and told him " I'm getting back in my truck" Pulling away from an officer that is attempting to handcuff you is considered a threatening move, as well as resisting arrest. As stated more than once by me, and either ignored, or joked about, this officer did not know what was in the truck. He did not know if she had a weapon. And your moronic comment that she could hunt him down later. Well. I think I just got that right as nothing more than a moronic comment.

And now I'm going to do something that I have never done here, or anywhere else. Just like LIBHTR, I really hope that both you and some one you really care about needs for the "pigs" to show up and help you, and they are about 5 hours late.

Blackhorizon: Wooooowwwwww. Have you skipped some medication lately?

I don't really need to show you anything. It is simply a fact that not every county has the same laws regarding tickets. Some counties (maybe where you live ) do not require you to sign the ticket. But there are counties that DO require a signature. And if you don't give them a signature on the ticket, they WILL arrest you. Do you remember the idiot in Utah a couple years ago that also got tased because he was being arrested for not signing a speeding ticket, and turned from the officer and was walking back to his truck?

As far as pissin in your water, LOL, go ahead. None of it gets down to California. anyways.

Tough guy cop. He's a pussy what threat die she pose him to recieve this kind of subduence?? Put her in cuffs and in your car tough guy, again what a pussy!

I applaud the officer for not letting this old lady bully him.  She clearly had a chip on her shoulder and felt that because she was a "72" year old grandma she could be vulgar and abusive.  Maybe next time she'll think twice before talking sh*t to a police officer.

Would this have been a big deal if the officer was a 5' 3" female officer? I think not! Kudos' to the Travis county constable office for not letting political correctness scare them.  As far as the old lady, bet you won't challenge a police officer again won't you? ROFL.

For everyone's information, signing a ticket in Travis county TX is not an admission of guilt!  Not signing a ticket, however, is a free ride to the county lockup.  Believe me, I had this same discussion with a Pflugerville policeman when he was giving me a ticket. My situation was a little different, he came onto my property to give me a ticket. I probably could have done something about him trespassing, but why go through the headache, in the end he was right and I was wrong.  Sign the stupid piece of paper and fight it in court if the police officer is wrong, don't argue by the side of a busy highway.

Ryan from Texas, you're from Austin right? A bastion of liberalism in an otherwise common sense state, that would be Austin.

You state statistics show that there is less crime in areas where there is less of a police presence, what statistics? If you're going to refer to statistics please provide your source. Are these statistics scientific? Where did theses statistics come from, Nazi Germany?

In addition Ryan, could it be that there are more police in crime ridden places because there is a need for more police? I mean, why would there be a lot of police in low crime neighborhoods? Again, the statistics you are supposedly quoting were taken for a reason. What was that reason, what were they proving? I certainly hope there are more cops in neighborhoods that have high rates of crime, that's where they need to be. I work in these types of neighborhoods, those who obey the law are grateful for the police presence, those who break the law whine about the police presence.

Ryan, sounds like you been smoking that funny green stuff to much.

If you are under arrest, you have to be read your Miranda rights.

If she was under arrest, then he would have read her her rights. On the video, you can clearly see he does not. Therefore she was not under arrest when he shoved her. There is no law governing where you can stand when you are not under arrest other than not in the street.

Therefore, he assaulted her before she resisted arrest. And after you have been assaulted, I'm not sure resisting the person who assaulted you is unreasonable.

Gary Cooper, maybe you like the cops more than the laws. That's OK. It's your right. But in my world, when you are arrested you are read your Miranda rights.

You have said that once you exit the car, you are under arrest. Others have said it is when they pull you over. So any question he asks would be inadmissable in court. And that would go for every traffic stop. However we all know that what you say after you have been pulled over can be used in court so there is no way you are automatically under arrest. That would mean such questions as "have you been drinking" or "do you have a gun in the car" would be inadmissable until you are read your rights. For you to be correct, they would have to start the traffic stop with your Miranda rights. I am unaware of any Police that do that.

And again, I have not insulted you, unless you are a cop that pushes old ladies.

He shoved her away from moving traffic. She wasn't under arrest yet but I do believe he has an actual duty to protect her from herself. If he had just let her get herself killed then I'm sure he'd be in trouble for not acting. It's not his fault her survival instinct is woefully underdeveloped but he does have a duty to protect and serve.

Then one could make the argument that he should have let her get run over and just call it survival of the fittest.

I don't know how to do links but here at the bottom it clearly states that in Texas state law mandates that if you do not sign the ticket you will be arrested.

http://www.sanangelopolice.org/page.php?kei=58

Signing the ticket does not admit guilt, it saying that you have been given your court info and that you will appear on the given date.

So Ryan there is the proof.

So the officer did have a right to arrest the woman.

My assertion is that it is unconstitutional because it is self incrimination. It can be used in court against you. I showed you how. It is used as evidence to prove you were there. Just because the Gov't does something, it does not mean that it is constitutional or right. So what can you do other than get mad about it? And no one can answer why you would NOT have to appear in court unless you sign a document agreeing to. The vast majority take defensive driving or pay the fine through the mail - THEY NEVER APPEAR IN COURT.

Also, everyone tries to skip over the facts that 1. She was standing in a lawful location (outside the white line is off the road, you can walk there legally.) 2. If he was trying to protect her from standing in a "dangerous location" he would not then stand in the exact same place.

2. If he was trying to protect her from standing in a "dangerous location" he would not then stand in the exact same place.

No. Because he has enough sense not to get himself ran over lol. Wouldn't it be more logical to ensure that they are both standing a safe distance from the traffic lane?

Justme - I copletely agree that they both would be safer further from the road. (But they wouldn't be on camera.) Watch the video. He stands exactly where she was. I only point this out because many people are saying that when he pushed her, it was to push her to a safer place. I their minds, that obsolves him from assaulting her, because he was only moving her from an unsafe place.

The video shows otherwise. Pay close attention to the white line. She was on the safe side when he pushed her. Then watch as he stands where she was. You can't say "When you stand there it's dangerous, but when I stand there it is safe." My whole opinion on this case lies on the shove that he gave her. I never said she was in the right. But everyone goes black or white on the issue. There is some gray.

Look I understand that some have unconditional love for the Police. There's no way that they are going to see them as in the wrong. People have made all kinds of responses to my posts. I do not hate any police officer personally. There are things that they do that are contrary to our contitutional protections and other things they do that are just wrong. But they never touch on what I say about how they hold each other above the law. (Notice no one will dare talk about the Drew Peterson case, even though it is a clear example of police being unwilling to police themselves.)

On the first round, it looks like she was actually headed for the traffic lane. On the second one they were both way too close to the traffic lane. She acted like she was trying to get around him to get out there. She actually shoved him back with her body. He should nail her for assaulting a police officer. Not to mention the fact she was headed toward the traffice lane because she decided she was leaving after the cop told her he was going to arrest her.

Believe me I have no unconditional love for the police. The dept where I grew up was completely useless. A cop rear ended my sig other a few months ago and totaled our car. It was completely coincidence that the court hearing was scheduled in the evening, and they waited until 2 days before to mail the subpeona out regular mail and just happened to screw up the address even though they have the right one on file. The cop's case got dismissed and the insurance company still hasn't paid up using that as an excuse.

But this lady was old enough to know better to act like that with a cop. From what I could see on the video he wasn't one of those hateful power-trip types. Another point to ponder is maybe he was raised that the man always positions himself between the lady and traffic. One of those lovely old chivalrous traditions.

Good points, but I have read the US constitution and it says all are to be treated equally under the law. There is no police exemption. He clearly shoves her. It was not in the act of putting on the cuffs. You wouldn't shove someone away from you so that you can get close enough to put the cuffs on. He does not read her the Miranda rights. He does not clearly say that you are under arrest (His voice is loud enough that he could easily have done it).

I guess I want the cop to arrest her, then cuff her or at minimum clearly explain the law that he must get the signature. She's no lawyer, and to the average person, it is an admission of guilt (in my earlier posts I showed how it is clearly a constitutional violation and it is held as evidence against you.)

No where in this situatuion should he have shoved her. Even if you hit a cop, they do not get to hit you back. They get to take you to jail and see you in court.

Some people just don't get that even a cop can take the law into their own hands.

Tough guy cop. He's a pussy what threat die she pose him to recieve this kind of subduence?? Put her in cuffs and in your car tough guy, again what a pussy!

Ryan,

And if he wouldn't have shoved her back away from traffic and she got herself run over, then everyone would be screaming about how he "let" her walk out into traffic. They do actually have a duty to protect people even if it is from themselves. She was also attempting to leave after he told her he was arresting her so yeah he did have a right to stop her from leaving.

I could see this out of a young generation, but I know her generation was raised better than that.

She was not in traffic when he pushed her. Has anyone actually watched the video? Look at the white line. Check out which side she was on. She was standing where people who would be walking would be.

If a cop pulls you over in an unsafe area (which this was not) they must either ask you to move your car to somewhere safe, or don't pull you over at all. She was between their cars. They were off the road. (Two lanes I might add. In Texas you must move to the lane away from a cop car in a traffic stop or go 25 mph under the speed limit if you cannot move over.)

I'm starting to wonder if you watched the video lol. She wasn't in traffic but she sure looked like she was headed that way. At one point when he was trying to block her, it looked like he was maybe actually on the line. Even if people slow down, it's still gonna hurt if they actually hit a person. People have been hit while standing much further away from the line.

Would you argue that after he told her he was going to arrest her, and she decided she was leaving, he did not have the right to restrain her from doing so?

It doesn't cover why he pushed her. After establishing that it was not part of the cuffing process and not to move her to a safer place, all that leaves is an act of aggression. Look if she had pushed him in the exact same way, you would have no problem calling it assault. You wouldn't grasp at straws trying to say that she pushed him to put him in a safer place.

So he committed assault. Remember, even if you hit a cop with your fist square in the mouth, he does not get to hit you back. He gets to cuff you and take you to jail for the court to decide your punishment. (I am sure that he is going to take you down hard to put on the cuffs though).

You can say that the woman was way out of line. Agreed. And you can dice her actions up anyway you want. But when he pushed her, it was assault. Again, there is no exemption for the police on this one. Well, not legally, obviously they will protect their own, and they don't really think that they are EQUAL to the public. But that's what equality means. If I do something to you and it's assault, then when you do it to me it's assault. You could be a 300 pound linebacker and I could be a ballerina. If I hit you it's the same as you hitting me. (Doesn't mean that the damage will be equal though).

People just don't ever think in terms of "I have the exact same constitutional rights as a police officer." But you do. We have been conditioned to believe otherwise, but it ain't in the constituion. Equal protection under the law.

OK how about this scenerio: It's two cops on the side of the road. And one pushes the other. Now we can agree that it's assault.

Because they are equal. (in your mind)

So think about what equal means.

I guess your one of those seperate but equal people. And the Blacks weren't less equal in the South. Right?

You just don't get it. You seem to have it permanently embedded in your psyche that the police are out to get you, they are all terrible people,they all hate you, they never do anyone any good at all, don't you Ryan?

Maybe that is why you seem to think that anyone can do anything they want, regardless of what a police officer is telling you to do, or telling you to stop doing.

As far as the constitution, that is something that is interpreted by the courts. For instance the constitution gives me the right to bear arms. But it is illegal for me to own a fifty caliber Browning machine gun, because the courts have interpreted the constitution that way. So it's true that the constitution overrules the State of Texas. But the State of Texas has the (this will be a surprise to you) constitutional right to interpret portions of the constitution. And that goes directly to the point that you do NOT have the same constitutional rights as a police officer. That gets back to that states interpreting the constitution thing. All you have to do to see this in action is to try to stop someone, demand their drivers license, registration, and proof of insurance, then write them a ticket. I think somewhere in the middle of that you will realise that you do not have the same rights as a police officer. Maybe just about the time a real police officer shows up and asks what you are doing.

The officer did NOT assault her. YES a police officer does have the right to touch, hold, or push ANY individual in certain instances. YES a police officer does have the right to order ANYONE to stand in a certain place if it is determined to be necessary by the officer. Even if they are not under arrest, or even being detained.

You seem to be excessivly hung up on the concept that the officer stood where the woman was when he pushed her. I will say it again, because you obviously haven't paid attention to what I(and many others here) said earlier.

Are you ready to pay attention yet?

Here it comes!

He pushed her so that he could do what he was preparing to do, without having to be standing on the highway to do it.She was not in traffic, BUT THE OFFICER WAS until he pushed her so he could get off the highway ! ! !

And here's another surprise. Yes, a police officer does indeed prepare to handcuff people.In this instance he was trying to get the woman to back up so he was not standing on the freeway, then he was probably going to ask her to turn around, then he was probably going to ask her to either place her hands on the hood of his car, or to put her hands behind her back. These actions are all preparations to do an action. In this case, to handcuff the woman. So do you see yet that police do not " just cuff her"? There are things they usually do in preparation of that action.

Another one you are hung up on, and twisting what I have said is the issue of her being under arrest when he told her to exit her vehicle.

I never said everyone is under arrest when a police officer asks you to exit your vehicle. That is something you made up. I just said that in THIS instance the woman was under arrest from the moment he asked her to get out of her vehicle.

Next one is that constitution or not, A police officer DOES NOT have to tell you that you are under arrest before they put handcuffs on you. And just because you don't have handcuffs on yet, does not mean that you are not under arrest.

Next one it that a police officer DOES NOT have to read you Miranda rights at ANY time. They almost always do however, because then they can use anything you say if you go to court.But they do not HAVE to do this.

And then there is the idea you have that you are having your constitutional right taken from you when you sign a ticket.

WRONG.

If you have ever had a ticket, in the area where you sign, it clearly states " signing is not an admission of guilt".So much for your concept of self incrimination.

As far as the idea that they use it to prove you were there, They already know you are there. They figure that out when you give them your drivers license before they write the ticket. The police are usually pretty smart about that, somehow.

A cop should have a little bit respect for old men and old mums like Winkfein, she did not intend to break the law,but the Cop showed no respect and frustrated her instead.

Gary Cooper

A police officer has certain extra constitutional protections in the execution of their job. You admitted yourself that she was not standing in the wrong place, HE WAS. Your words. So he can move, he has legs. And does he cuff her immediately after he pushes her? NO. So much for preparing to cuff her. You'll have to be more imaginative.

You say that signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt but I clearly showed you (and you have no response) that they do use it as evidence of your presence. There is no reason to be forced to sign it if it can't be used against you. Why would they even need it, if they have proof you were there without it? So now you are willing to jail people over something that you say cannot be used. Wow, I can see you have no reguard for our rights.

Police officers have the exact same constitutional rights as ANY CITIZEN. They have duties of their position, and MUCH GREATER RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE LAW. Pushing someone for no reason (you can push back a crowd, you can push a person down to cuff them, you can push them out of harms way, you can push them into the cop car, the are lots of pushes that ARE PART OF THE JOB.) IT IS NOT LEGAL FOR A COP TO PUSH SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ARE ANGRY, FRUSTRATED, OR HAVE HAD THEIR EGO HURT.

Like I mentioned before (and again, of couse no response) you can hit a cop square in the mouth and he still does not get to hit you back. He gets to cuff you (which will be roughly) and take you to jail. Period. Even a cop can take the law into their own hands. (I know you'll have a hard time grasping that one.)

As I mentioned earlier, the exact moment that you are under arrest makes a huge difference. Everything you say cannot be used against you after you are arrested until they read you your MIRANDA RIGHTS. (I get the feeling you don't like the Miranda Ruling.) But, we know that what people tell officers after being given a ticket is admissible, so a ticket does not make you under arrest. She was not under arrest when he pushed her. What He couldn't yell "YOU ARE UNDER ARREST?" Had she so incapacitated him that he couldn't speak? You cannot be "Resisting Arrest" if you are not under arrest or being arrested. You do understand that it doesn't take longer than saying the four magic words. I can say it in under 2 seconds. When he pushed her she was standing (not moving) right in front of him. How is that resisting arrest?

I guess to Gary Cooper, we should be able to read the minds of the police to know when you are arrested. I guess saying four words is too much of a burden for the police.

You seem to be one of those law and order types. Well, in your case, just order. You are not a big fan of citizens rights. I get that. Hey, some people like fascism. When I show you the technical aspects of how he committed assault or how signing the ticket is held against you, your response is "That's the way we do it". You have the same "Because I said so" mentality of this cop. No wonder you defend him as if he were completely blameless. A perfect saint that can do no wrong. Way to go Stalin. You know Stalin didn't kill anyone who did exactly what he wanted them to do.

You also have the silly notion that the Gov't obeys the constitution. You haven't really thought about the fact that something can be legal, but wrong.

You can write a thousand pages Gary, but you are grasping at straws to defend him pushing her. Cops don't get a free pass to push people.

Or I should say "shouldn't" get a free pass to push peole. Obviously with many sharing your mentality, the police will feel free to do as they have done. Again, that's your right. Do you think Stalin had no supporters? Many people there did. Looks like you would side with the state, while I will side with the ACTUAL CONSTITUTION.

Have you always been a F-ing idiot? Or is this a recent development? I learned a long time ago that it is pointless to argue with anyone that is a total moron, so good by .

Yep, just goes to show you that ignorance and stupidity know no age boundaries!

And she had to try her sob story on FOX, until she was proved a liar. Who doesn't know all police cars have cameras now??? That is the funny part. Especially since, with her behavior, I doubt this was her first run-in with the law.

Respect for the law does not trump respect for what is right. Obviously the grandma should have just accepted the ticket if she did indeed break a law. However, a person incapable of distinguishing between a situation that requires a taser and one that doesn't, is not a person I want in a position of power.

Steve, what would you have done instead?

I would not have used a taser. I believe tasers are for the a replacement of lethal force when a situation requires the use of such weapons (imminent danger). More and more the taser is becoming a tool used to make someone listen the way the officer wants them to.

As a cop, I would have probably cuffed her and given her the option to cooperate or be detained. If she didn't cooperate after the first chance I would have arrested her. I would have no worry about my safety or my ability to detain a 72 year old woman. And yes the age does make a difference, to deny this is rigid and incompetent.

Sue

He may have been "entitled" to do what he did, but it certainly doesn't make it right! He also had an option to use his baton or EVEN his gun! Should he have?

Exactly my point, but I didn't want to go there, glad you did-give her what she wants right? geeez! She's 72 for crying outloud people.

Grumpy granny was resisting everything the officer said to do. He probably would have had to wrestle her to the gound to cuff her. She was putting herself and the officer in danger.

Age does not give anyone the right to break the law and act the way she did! Unacceptable!

Cop was right..he did what he needed to, to avoid a worse situation!

I believe tasers are for the a replacement of lethal force when a situation requires the use of such weapons (imminent danger).

You have got to be kidding me, Steve. There is a reason why every police officer who carries a taser is required to be tazed before they can carry it. A tazer is NOT a replacement for lethal force. A tazer is a secondary weapon when trying to get someone under control. A gun and a tazer aren't even in the same category. A tazer is actually closer to pepper spray. But it's a heck of a lot more effective in subduing someone. Get a clue.

It's so nice of all of you to tell everyone what YOU would have done...Put yourself in that situation and I guarantee you your whole thought process will change...

"Oh don't use a taser, she could have been easily subdued" Really? Say she broke away and ran towards her car and out of the reach of the cop, and WHAM she gets hit by a car? All of you whiners would be bitc*ing about how he never should have tried to grab her after she ran.

"He should have used his baton" Really? And then when he cracks her one and breaks something all you whiners would be bitc*ing about how he never should have hit her and he hit her too hard. Uh idiots...A baton is also considered a replacement for lethal force.

As a cop, I would have probably cuffed her and given her the option to cooperate or be detained. If she didn't cooperate after the first chance I would have arrested her. I would have no worry about my safety or my ability to detain a 72 year old woman. And yes the age does make a difference, to deny this is rigid and incompetent.

Steve..Did you watch the video?? He did everything you just said you would do. In the end with her it wasn't HIS safety he was worried about it was hers.....

But I'm glad your a tough one....

Exactly my point, but I didn't want to go there, glad you did-give her what she wants right? geeez! She's 72 for crying outloud people.

So being 72 years old gives her special privileges? Just a dumb question but how do you feel about the cops in DC shooting back at the 89 year old whackjob at the museum. Did they overreact? How do you know when a situation will escalate to something really out of control?

You cop haters have no idea what hazards they face on a daily basis. Why I just read the other day about an instance in a small town in the midwest, Ohio maybe. The local donut shop mixed ant poison in the powdered sugar they dredged the donuts in by mistake. Over half the force was in the hospital from their freebies before they discovered the mistake. Perils like this beset them on a daily basis. The shop owner was a frail little old lady. Do you suppose there is a revenge factor here?

Tough guy cop. He's a pussy what threat die she pose him to recieve this kind of subduence?? Put her in cuffs and in your car tough guy, again what a pussy!

The amount of electricity going through a taser won't stop a person's heart if used correctly, as it was. He knew what he was doing and wouldn't have done it if he thought it would endanger her. It doesn't sound like he had much choice in the matter really.

What heart? She was speeding, with no consideration for others on the highway.

She's a liar, irresponsible, arrogant and vulgar.

The bitch got what she deserved, I hope he banged her head on the roof while shoving her into his unit.

If the 'lady' had a pacemaker/defibrillater the 50,000 volts could have potentially been fatal. Cardiac conditions are a given in the elderly. Maybe, in the future, instead of succumbing to irrational dares by an elder, police could get a community service officer to assist with the violator. But I still stand by my thought that she needs a dementia work-up and review of meds.

If her heart would have stopped she would have died. DUH

If.....

I would hope that if I was the cop in that situation, I would have handled it a little differently.

I don't know how, but I figure something would have come to me during the several minutes of verbal abuse I'd been thrashed with.

I'm definitely not blaming the officer, but some are better "people" people than others.

Obviously the woman has issues.

Heart stopped, no problem. No more ticket to deal with.

Especially since, with her behavior, I doubt this was her first run-in with the law.

Michelle - 740 etc

Every judge in the country would agree with you on this point.

Yeah Al....Let all cops stop and ask "I'm going to tase you now, do you have a pacemaker?"

"Yes officer I do"

"Ok I won't tase you then"

Clint...You will never be in that situation so really can you say what you would do?

I was merely pointing out that tasing is not entirely a benign method of disabling someone.  There have many deaths associated with tasing, most of which were found to be due to an underlying cardiac condition and/or drugs that caused an accelerated cardiac response to the electrical stimulus.  Of course police do not know who has these conditions but that wasn't the point I was trying to make.  As for this situation, I am surprised that the officer did not call for back-up when she initially refused to sign the summons.  If the violator happened to be a young male, heaven forbid dark skinned, back up would have been called...so the officer made a judgement call based on her age, and possibly gender. Her actions were irrational, even almost walking into traffic, which sounds like either dementia or delerium which could be due to medications or lack of.  Thankfully, both are alive to argue their case. If she were my mother and this behavior not her norm, she would be at the doctor's office getting a neuropsych eval immediately.

Al watch the video...Before he tases her he goes to his mic...

I wasn't there but I can rightly assume he was calling for back-up...You just don't stand there an wait for it to try and do something....She was going back to her car no matter what...he was in his right....

And don't bring what might have happened if it were a "dark skinned male"...It's a ludicrous argument....

And so if some crazy fu**er has a knife and is threatening they should just run up and give him a big hug because golly he just doesn't know what he's doing....

RobK

You "can rightly ASSUME" something, but I can't speculate because I wasn't there?

Who the hell are you?

You tell Al not to bring up a "ludicrous" scenario, and then proceed to do exactly that in your next statement.!

Sorry Rob, your logic (or lack thereof) is flawed........BIG TIME!

Because Clint....I've been in that type of a situation..

So yeah...You can't speculate because you weren't there...

And yes I can rightly assume that that is what happened...

Any other questions?

Oh and my scenario was wrought with sarcasm..

Guess you didn't get that gene....

You do know the reason you're supposed to sign the ticket is because it is in lieu of arrest. If you don't sign it you go to jail. She failed to comply. Signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt.

So it can set a precedent for the next time some fool decides he/she doesn't want to follow what the lawperson is telling them to do? Not to mention, this doesn't seem like the type of individual who's going to respond to a writ of summons to court.

I think it's pretty well known that you sign a ticket when you're given it. It is just aknowledging that you received the ticket. If you want to fight it you will have your day in court. The woman was wrong on all accounts and didn't give the police officer any choice.

I think the cop showed great skills! Just how long is a cop supposed to ask anyone he/she tickets to cooperate before they move to the next level. I think the lady was just doing all she could to push him, was foul-mouthed, and most likely thought she was immune given her age. Enuff... Being 72 does not mean someone doesnt have a gun, bad attitude, etc. Why even bother with a subpoena? Let her hire a lawyer. How odd that since the dashboard camera film was released, she sure shut up fast enough.

How odd that since the dashboard camera film was released, she sure shut up fast enough.

I noticed that too

The police officer handled the situation with grace. He waited until the last possible moment to tase the grandmother. She's lucky she didn't get it sooner.

Come on people, she was an old hag! Arrest was warranted, but not tasering. Keyripes... I probably could have even taken her down!

Please notice too, she had to go to FOX to get her oh, woah is me story told!

I really think the police officer could have handled this situation better. If she wouldn't take the ticket, have it mailed or delivered later. She could always be subpoenaed at a later date to appear in court.

Globug - a person is required by law to sign the ticket. Someone pointed out already that it is NOT an admission of guilt to sign it.

The law also says that if a person refuses to sign, that person must be arrested and brought to a judge. PERIOD.

I am so glad there was video because this old lady deserves a punishment and the tape is evidence that the cop DID HIS JOB.

By the way globug, if the cop had done what you suggested, he would have lost his job. Why should the cop lose his job because the lady is an idiot?

totally agree! When I first heard about the story, I was like, how could a cop taser a great grandma? Then I watched the video! When he pulled her over, she asked, " What, you're going to pull over a 72-year-old woman?" Sorry, age does not excuse this kind of behavior! She would not sign the ticket, she cussed at him, was clearly defiant, and deserved it.

Maybe Grandma was hoping to make a few bucks off a lawsuit and was willing to take 50,000V for it. Fairly common stuff these days.

Why not ask if it occurred to the "lady" that there could be consequences?

has it ever occured to you that taser guns don't damage organs? you can be tased for hours and never be harmed. you may feel a bit spastic but your organs remain completely intact. learn a little bit more about tasers before you try and say anything like that again

Bette,

I wonder if it ever occured to this stupid bag that she could have killed someone going 15 miles over the speed limit?

Then if TAsers don't harm pepole, how come there have been numbers of people die as a result? Don't give me the crap about amps killing - if voltage doesn't have any effect on organs, then what is the use of defibrillators? And electroshock? You are overwhelming the nervous system - usually it does not have any effect, but there is a significant number where it does. Just about guaranteed to have serious results if you are epileptic.

Tasers are officially sanctioned police brutality, the nice thing is like rubber hoses, when used carefully they don't leave any evidence.

Yes, granny was out of line, but how many of you would like your wife or mother abused by a cop who could use other more reasonable methods of control?

your lie's about tasers are insane, there are many ways too handle that situation, without making someones grandma scream, maybe next time it will be yours...AS an american You have the right to be mad, even about a ticket. I think i even heard her say that i will sign the ticket, and now he is being the prick, so they where both wrong...period..was he scared for his life, was the situation out of control when the lady say she will sign it, no he should of just let the lady sign it at that point and let hear grumpy but go, its is only a 100 dollar ticket...and since when is a police officer more important then any civillian, they are here to serve and protect US, and in there oath it say even die to protect us...he wasnt protecting anyone not them ppl on the freeway, she was probroly just going with the flow of traffic anyway, u think she was like im gonna SPEED and see if i can get pulled over and get tased, no it was an acident or flow of traffic thing

shows how much of a doctor you are george. like i said, do your research before you make a arguementive statement like that again. by the way, how come if a defibrillator only uses 1,800 volts, that somebody can survive a 500,000 volt zap from a taser gun? hmm... maybe its not the volts that matter after all? oh and just remember that the cardiovascular system and the nervous system are two different things.

here is yet another source of information that further proves my point.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_lowest_amount_of_volts_that_can_kill_you

you have just been schooled by a 16 year old. congratulations

The problem is that there is so much misinformation about TASERS. I've been tazed twice; as an instructor we had to be. The other time I volunteered to do it to show my students the effect. Yes, there have been deaths attributed to TASERS, but in those cases the mitigating circumstance was that the person was on drugs, which caused the body temp to rise uncontrollably when they actively resisted. TASERS are a great tool for law enforcement, before our only options were to elevate to lethal force to subdue the threat. Often pepper sprays don't work, and if someone has a knife, a TASER used is better that shooting the person.

There are many people who have no idea what it is like to go to the job everyday and hope that you go home to your family safely. We see the worst of society and often have a split-second to make a decision that would save lives.

Moral of the story: don't resist, do what you are instructed to do by an officer and don't taunt officers with "go ahead, TASE me".

Thank you, Jordan. You just said everything I was going to say (minus the 16 year old part). I don't know how many times we have to keep repeating ourselves. Volts and Amps are two totally different things when it comes to effecting/damaging organs.

Jordan, you are the reason why I have not given up on young people. May God bless you with a very productive life and health.

Funny how a 16 year old can look things up on the net and make an intelligent comment yet.....oh forget it.

Volts don't kill, amps do. That's what everyone learns when they take a class in electricity. However, there are recorded cases of people who have been tased by cops while having seizures, who died afterwards, because when you are having a seizure, all the electrical signals in the brain's neurons are not flowing smoothly. They are jumping around, and 50,000V can affect you in a way that will not affect someone in normal mode. People who are having complex-partial seizures can move around and say things repetitively, which can confuse police and bystanders. However, they are not doing it conciously. Today, when evrybody watches too much crap on TV, they can see someone having a CP seizure and assume they are watching a pervert or a terrorist, when it's really just someone ill. Then they may get tased, and subsequently die or suffer permanent damage.

Maybe, but how often does that actually happen, Fridge? That's a very very rare case and has nothing to do with age....which is what so many people on this thread are whining about.

Only making a point about how you can die when tased, peach. Too many myths proliferating today. People need to get the facts straight before they rant and rave online about people dying.

So to you guys no one has ever died from a taser???hhhmmm, they perfectly safe, safer then what????

Why is the lady out of here care anyway??? this cop went overboard, way overboard son, she has every right to refuse to sign the ticket, this is not a arrestable offence, he escolate the problem.. he should have just handed her the ticket and the courtdate, the ticket for speeding and the courtdate for not signing, simple presedure...and people have died from tasers...

I'm sorry, blackhorizon. Type in English next time and maybe we'll be bothered to answer your questions. Or were those even questions? I can't tell due to the misspelled words and lack of punctuation. Oh, but you certainly know where that question mark key is, don't you? No wonder you don't know anything about the law. People have already stated numerous times. In Texas, refusing to sign IS an arrestable offense.

its not an arestable offence show me the code for it, the laws, and while your there read the rest of umm...you probroly think we are required by law to pay income tax ill give anyone 50k if they show me the federal laws that state we have to pay a federal income tax...cause in my local news paper on the front page its there, someone will give 50k too the person who shows the law..but its been there for over 10 yrs no one has ever got the money cause there is no law ,,,,,just like there is no law in texas for not signing a sitation, do you sign parking tickets or toll tickets no, you dont have to agree with the police in anyway, they just give you a courtdate period...so they always win, she didnt need to be tased and so what if she is loud with a public servant its his jobb to take it..ill say this again when did a public servant become more important then me or you or this lady

You clearly don't understand what happened. Taser is not a reasonable or justified method of gaining cooperation. It is deadly force, and has killed many a person at the hands of our unskilled cops.

Police officers are constantly being trained on non-violent ways to restrain people. Granny was being mouthy, non-violent, and at one point offered to sign the ticket. That's when the officer should have used his opportunity to regain control of the situation. His ignorant decision to reverse roles and keep the argument escalating was the real problem in the scenario.

So, if you see someone eat a grape they haven't paid for at the grocery store, do you believe proper handling is to tackle and sit on the person until cops get there to taser them?

taser is not a deadly force instrument...get your facts straight before you write things...

Oh yes it is. Those things have killed many a victim of over-zealous police officers. You get YOUR facts straight.

It was Texas, he should have just shot her. One less piece of crap in the world.

Tell that to the loved ones of those killed by tasers. Get your head out of your butt.

They were killed by TASERS because they actively resisted!!! If you don't want to get tazed, COOPERATE!

Oh really, Java? Tazers have killed "many a victim"? You got any sources? Gee. Any news stories for us on that? You'd think if these people were going around getting tasered and then dropping dead, we'd hear about it.

Once again. For the last time....You and Glenn need to get YOUR heads outta YOUR butts and do just a miniscule amount of research to learn that you are wrong.

The thing is that she only wanted to sign the ticket after she was getting arrested. By then it was too late for her to just decide to sign it and expect not to go to jail. Maybe he could have wrestled her into the police car but it seems like that would have resulted in more harm to her than the tazer.

If you tazer a cop, they will shoot you and say you assaulted them with a DEADLY weapon.

If you tazer a cop, they will shoot you and say you assaulted them with a DEADLY weapon.

There you go, spouting random nonsense before thinking, Ryan. The only reason an officer would shoot you for tasering them is because when you incapacitate a police officer, whether it be pepper spray, or taser, or having your friend hold them down, they (the officer) risks being killed. They risk being killed by the person who incapacitated/tasered them....NOT the taser itself. Nobody said that pepper spray is deadly either, but if you spray them with that stuff, you risk getting shot and killed because they risk having their own gun taken away from them and used against them. Get a freakin clue, man.

But you don't deny that they will call it assault with a DEADLY weapon.

Therefore it is a deadly weapon.

So if someone pepper sprays me, I can shoot them? Because they might take my gun and kill me with it? Wow, now I feel big and powerful too.

Ryan, please show me where, exactly, it's called assault with a "DEADLY" weapon. You might be right. But a nightstick and pepper spray can be a deadly weapon too, if in the hands of the wrong person.

What you aren't getting is that a taser is not normally considered a deadly weapon....not like a gun is. You aren't going to get any sane person to agree with you. The only time it can be considered reasonably deadly is when it is used by someone wishing to incapacitate you long enought to do something else to you that would inflict damage to you. In THAT instance, it can be considered a deadly weapon. But then again, so can a nightstick...genius.

And, yes, if someone pepper sprayed you and you legally had a gun on you, you CAN shoot them. It's called self defense. Duh! All people have to do is have a reasonable suspicion that their life is being threatened. Pepper spray absolutely counts. So go ahead and feel all big and powerful, but don't sit there and make snide comments about cops when you have no idea what they go through. When they discharge their weapon out of self defense, I guarantee it's not because they feel "big and powerful". It's because they fear for their life, just like you would if you were in the same situation. I bet you would be whipping your gun out so fast it would make your own head spin.

No Ryan it wouldn't be called assault with a deadly weapon...The assault causes the situation to possibly become deadly....

And if you are dumb enough to tase or pepper spray a cop you deserve what you get....

And yes...if you get sprayed with pepper spray and you have a fear for your life, AND you have a permit for your weapon, yes you can shoot them....

It's all about the fear of great bodily harm...

I would love for those of you that are crying for this woman to go and spend a week in a training academy, or riding along with an officer...Your eyes would be wide open after that...

Unless you just hate cops to hate cops....Then nothing will change your mind....

You want sources, just peachy? Fine. Here you go:

Tough guy cop. He's a pussy what threat die she pose him to recieve this kind of subduence?? Put her in cuffs and in your car tough guy, again what a pussy!

First, the whole incident is on camera. Why do they need her to sign the ticket?

Second, how was she threatening the officer?

Third, it was just a speeding ticket. How does the officer use this kind of force on a 72 year old lady over a speeding ticket?

Fourth, TAZERS ARE DEADLY. Many people have died. Heart attacks are not uncommon. (OK you don't agree? You TAZER an Officer and they will shoot you. The police will say that you used a DEADLY weapon against them.)

Fifth, the officer pushed the old lady. That is ASSAULT. He should be charged. (Note that after he pushed her, HE STOOD EXACTLY WHERE SHE WAS STANDING. So no one can say he was looking out for her safety. He disproved that himself by standing where she was. If it was unsafe, he would not stand there.)

He did not proceed to arrest her after he assaulted her. So he cannot say it was in the act of cuffing her.

This is not suprising in a country that has the highest percentage of it's population in jail. (Not Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, No Other Country). The psychological profile of our police is the same as the NAZI SS. (Most will agree that the SS were some of the worst people in history). No, not accountants, lawyers, or even mass murderers. They have a mental defect that means they have to be in control. I suppose you could say the NAZI SS protected the German population.

Police beat their wives at a higher rate than average. They have to control everything in their lives, including their wives.

No officer is entightled to politeness. People can be crude or rude. That is their right. Obviously you will catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but there is no law saying you must be polite to a police officer. We don't need an officer who takes people in and tazers them just for speeding. She did not assault him, she questioned him. I guess that's enough for this officer to assault and then use a deadly weapon on her.

To those who say: "They protect us." Statistics show that the least crime is where the least cops are. Think about that.

The only thing they protect are other officers and their own egos.

There is a reason they are called pigs.

I do believe that there are very many good cops and they do perform a vital service for which I am grateful. Unfortunately just as churches and schools seem to attract perverts because that is where they find the power to indulge their hunger, some sadistic or power hungry people are attracted into the field of police work for theirs.

Tough guy cop. He's a pussy what threat die she pose him to recieve this kind of subduence?? Put her in cuffs and in your car tough guy, again what a pussy!

ROFLMAO!!!! Good one!!! Wish I would of thought of that! LOL!!

Hey BobFritz, that was funny. Was that aimed at Texans? GWB?

I don't think he was intimidated by her, but if he had grabbed her, she just as easily could have complained about police brutality. Not to mention, he warned her REPEATEDLY about being tased. She probably assumed that because of her age and gender, the police officer would let her off with a warning.

I wonder how people would have responded if she hit someone? A child, perhaps? Her erratic behavior goes hand-in-hand with her poor driving abilities. I think this just strengthens the measure to require those individuals receiving social security to submit to driving tests. What a menace!

I doubt he tazed her for his own protection. According to the story she had gotten close to the traffic previously and that is why he put his hand on her. If she was walking back to her vehicle and he attempted to detain her, she probably would have pulled away again and could have "fallen" or stumbled into traffic. Using the taser is the fastest and safest way to mitigate an incident in the smallest space and with the least amount of injury to either party.

"what if she hit someone" is no argument for the officers actions. she was speeding 15 MPH over the limit. Ill advised but not exactly recklesss, he wrote her up for speeding and nothing else. If you have an issue with elderly drivers that is a different debate.

So he tasered her for her safety to avoid her going into traffic? watch the vid he is between her and the road. I would rather be pinned against a cop car and cuffed anyday over a jolt.

...what would happen if a younger man had refused to sign the ticket? a justified shooting?

It's for sure he wouldn't have warned the younger man 3 times to "comply or be tased"! I'm certainly no fan of the police, but in this rare instance, the cop was completely right!

If you must argue that "you can't say what if she hit someone while she was speeding" then neither can you argue "what if she died while he tasered her?" To heck with what ifs, let's just stick with the facts. She broke the law, resisted arrest, and then lied publicly about the entire incident afterwards. Also, size and age make no difference in a persons ability to fight and resist, just ask someone who works in a nursing home about that.

What is the cut-off age to be exempt from being tased? 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70 ?

I read once where law enforcement tended to hire only ones with an IQ under 100. They could adapt to the boredom of the job better and they were more easily manipulated in training. Seems like this dept. succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

Ha ha ha ....she was wrong and she got what was coming to her.

Both adults, and I use this term very loosely, were in the wrong here. The woman was speeding; wrong, the cop overreacting when she wouldn't sign the ticket; wrong, the woman using vulgar language; wrong, the cop forcing her from her car; wrong, the woman putting herself and the cop in danger in the road; wrong, the cop tasering her; wrong. A million wrongs do not make a right but in this situation, the cop did not need to escalate the situation, he knows the law, the speeder can refuse to sign a ticket, it doesn't make it invalid, just mail it to her. All of this and an old woman ends up writhing on the ground in pain with the cop threatening to do it again! A little overreaction here.

You're right joemike404...the cop is a wimp trying to be macho. Typical fat butted pig.

Again, it is NOT illegal to refuse to sign a ticket! There was no reason for the cop to "bring this woman in". It was a situation that escalated because the cop would not just walk away. Tickets get mailed to violators all the time, what made this time a legal infraction? Oh yeah, because the cop SAID it was! I am not condoning the woman's language but it's gotten to point of the ridiculous that you have to say "yes, sir" "no, sir" "thank you, sir" to every cop you encounter. No one, who is not threatening an officer, deserves to get tasered.

Correct, it is not illegal to not sign a ticket. However, by not doing so, you leave youself open to arrest. And by resisting arrest, you leave yourself open to the use of force

Too bad she didn't fall into traffic and get run over, maybe then the media would recognize the stupidity of tasers: If a big, strong police officer with possibly hundreds of hours of combat training and hand to hand combat maneuvers cannot handle arresting a 75 year old woman without manhandling her, and without the use of a taser, that officer should retire because they are cowards, and unfit for duty!

This incident is akin to a parent, unable to calm down their child, being allowed to tase them in order to force them into submission. This would never have occured prior to tasers, and it should not be allowed now. Police are supposed to be peace officers, not harbringers of inhumanity.

There is never any reason to tase a 70 year old man or woman; If this officer was so pitifully weak and obviously scared (you shouldn't tase someone if you are not scared) that he could not handle an elderly 70 year old woman without using a taser, he should lose his job and face criminal charges of elderly abuse, since he is less than a man, and more of a coward and a child, because a 14 year old could easily overpower a 70 year old, since the elderly have frail countenances and degraded musculoskeletal structures.

What I don't understand is why Texans, of all Americans, with their seemingly great civic pride and "Don't tread on me" attitude, consistently choose laws and regulations which are more befitting of China, or a third world banana republic, than of America? I am beginning to think that (especially with Bush being from Texas) all Texans hate America, and the American dream, and would prefer to live in a fascist dictatorship with the government telling them how to live and think than allow the American dream to fluorish.

Sad. It's no wonder America has fallen apart... I hope this cop burns in hell.

She deserves to lose her license and the cop deserves a raise!

If we're using her age as an excuse to make it seem like this was wrong, then she is OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER.

If we're using the law, the police force is representative of our laws and we should do all we can to obey the law and SHE SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

Interesting that this police officer clearly has nothing to hide. He made the tape public.

Tough guy cop. He's a pussy what threat did she pose him to recieve this kind of subduence?? Put her in cuffs and in your car tough guy, again what a pussy!

Sorry but you do not need to sign a ticket you can refuse. The officer then should have handed her the ticket and showed up in court. They both took it to far but it would not have gone that far if HE followed procedure..

BTW if that were my granny I would find him and kick his ass.

Refusing to sign a citation (at least where I'm from) is a jailable misdemeanor. When he tried to handcuff her she pulled away. So from what I saw on the video was: obstructing, refusing to sign a citation and resisting arrest.

He tried to physically restrain her first. When that didn't work, he went to a non-lethal option. That seemed to work just fine. This all could have been avoided with granny being compliant and acting her age.

It's people's actions that dictate police officers reactions.

And don't forget assault for him on that shove.

Tough guy cop. He's a pussy what threat did she pose him to recieve this kind of subduence?? Put her in cuffs and in your car tough guy, again what a pussy!

Numbers in the state of Texas if you do not sign the citation you will be arrest. It's a state mandated law.

Please see my link posting of 1.86