Lee says North Korea must give up nukes

Perhaps the Dear Leader would settle for 72 blackeyed celestials to satisfy his ultimate otherworld fantasy

Indeed, emperor of all space and time!

@Andromeda-510639

The incentive is an "avenue for peace", as in North Korea won't get its ass kicked if it plays nice and abandons the nukes.

And just who will kick its back-side, the international community?

Supposedly the fearless United States and the other four countries involved in the international nuclear program will be the official "butt kicking" initiators. But considering they've been doing whatever they want (whether the U.N. allows it or not) since 2006 I doubt they're going to take this warning to heart. Check out my article "North Korea 2 - America 0"...you'll see what I'm talking about.

who those FOUR countries you were referring about?

who those four countries you were referring about that has nuclear weapons?

Japan, Russia, China and the UK (technically the UK isn't a country but it counts as a single political body in this case I believe)

U.S. officials have said the North Koreans appear to be making preparations for a third nuclear test. North Korea also has said it would regard efforts to enforce U.N. sanctions as an act of war.

It sounds to me like North Korea and their monstrous leader is just picking a fight with the rest of the world.

They must have something up their sleeve to be this bold and threatening. They need to be stopped before they start shooting those missiles around like a firework show.

What about Germany and France? Those posses nuclear weapons.

What about them?

Germany and France do posses nuclear weapons but Germany isn't a member of the U.N. security council and France hasn't assumed a public position on North Korean missile technology other than "condemning" the launch in agreement with the rest of the council

What about Germany and France? Those posses nuclear weapons.

....and so does the United States....., however I don't see a madman in Germany, France, & the USA like Kim Jong taking journalist prisoners and threatening the United Nations to stay out of there treacherous warfare business.

Jessica, Non nuclear arms question. I was wondering could you clarify what you mean by UK is not a country? details. smile. thanks.

Well technically the United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy that consists of England, Scotland, Whales and Northern Ireland. Sorry for the unnecessary piece of confusion haha

Kim Jong-Il must be imprisoned.

and sentenced to his own "re-education camps" forever.

Izzmo

We have people who could just go in and take out Kim Jong and that what we should do, but if we don't and he does start a war than we just nuke him and we will never have to send any troop in. the only problem will be the fall out from the nuke to the other country including south Korea.

I for one do not trust that Obama will do the right tine or just wait to long.

I'm not so sure you can count China in as an ally against North Korea. They talk a good game at the table, but basically they are North Korea's allie. What is a more likely scenario is that nothing will happen, the North will continue to test away, everyone will make a threat to not do that, the UN Security Council will throw sanctions at them without any bite to them and the cycle will continue.

I do not want to see another war, simply because that would put us on three fronts at the moment and we are stretched thin. Frankly any war with the North will likely lead to some sort of Nuclear weapons. But first we must prove that the North actually has WMD... wouldn't want that embarassment again now would we.

fear mongering!!!

empire building!!!

Obama wants to RULE THE WORLD!!!

and it's BUSH'S FAULT!@!!!!

IZZMO: I am for the United States keeping their hands out of other people's (nation's) business, but I think this affects too many other nations around the world, including South Korea, China and Russia to name a few of the close people.

Izzmo I am willing to bet they have those missiles all aimed and targeted right at the good ol' United States before they do any other country. The USA does need to step into this one, especially now that they dangle our 2 journalists over our heads along with their "missiletoe"

The U.N. did not authorize military force to enforce the measures.

Nope neither the UN nor the US is serious enough yet. Maybe after one of those tests is conducted on a city with a live warhead but I certainly hope it's earlier somehow.

Jimmy- so true. North Korea has walked all over the U.N. for the past 3 years. Check out my article "North Korea 2 - America 0" it's got some good info in there that is right on what you're saying

Ok some meat on the subject.

Obama is not promising any financial incentives or special favors. He is talking tougher than ever saying "they have come to expect incentives that after they receive they renege."

The resolution:

Demands North Korea eliminate all its nuclear weapons, weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles

Requires all countries to prevent the sale or transfer of materials related to Pyongyang's unconventional weapons programmes, as well as large-sized military items such as tanks, missiles and helicopters

Demands nations freeze funds overseas of people or businesses connected with North Korea's nuclear and ballistic missile programs

Allows nations to inspect "as necessary" cargo moving in and out of North Korea to check for banned items

Bans export of luxury goods to North Korea

Calls on Pyongyang to return "without precondition" to stalled six-nation talks on its nuclear programme.

I think the incentive of peace offering is a veiled threat of possible military action. If UN and U.S. follows through on cargo inspections that Pyongyang has already stated would be seen as an act of war it might be on

Seconded

And yet, if he didn't say something, people would be all over him for THAT.

I think Obama should ask Bush to step out of retirement and into this one.......more his expertise!

Let's send 10,000 troops over there and just break the wall between North and South Korea, find Kim Jong in a foxhole, arrest him for war crimes, set up a democracy called just "Korea", hang him until his head rips off and then turn the Presidency back over to Obama to bring the troops home.

Diversity...a dipolmatic solution could totally castrate this dictator state if China and Russia will play honest.

The more interesting question is: What's in it for China and Russia to not play honest?

If Kim-Jong "Illness" is isolated and contained...totally and absolutely wrapped up in a UN, U.S., EU, including China and Russia containment policy the regime will crack. No bombs needed and this becomes a model of diplomacy that can be aimed at Iran.

I think consensus can win if we can get it...we badly need a non-violent success in the world.

The incentives should be made with our allies.

Lastly, you have to remember Bush doesn't talk to evil...though he managed to talk to Cheney.

No, we need dialogue to avert potential catastrophy...Kim-Jong Illness' narcissism has to be indulged through reason...not a strong suit of the Bush administration

Lastly, you have to remember Bush doesn't talk to evil...though he managed to talk to Cheney.

But he did talk to the Bin-Ladens & Sadaam - Evil.....

Kim-Jong Illness' narcissism has to be indulged through reason.

I don't think a madman can be reasoned with. Kim-Jong is out there like Hitler was, he won't stop until he has no more choices.

Diversity...good points! Bush was certainly an advanced equivocator.

I still think containment can work and Jung-Illness can have a moment of temporary lucidity of mind with pressure from his closest allies, China and Russia.

I don't think Jung-illness is the mad racist Hitler was and there is no Chamberlain for the Dear Leader to negotiate his crimes against humanity. Jung is a loner and easy to isolate (fact is he isolates himself to his great disavantage). His modus operandi is well understood and the world is really tired of his @!$%#!

That sounds vaguely familiar. Hmmmmm, Clinton, I think

Proud...Why do you think this is all about Obama??? Why are you willing to judge the outcome totally on what the U.S. will do???

Obama has made it painfully clear the new U.S. foreign policy is not "go it alone, or we don't talk to evil" it is about consensus amoung allies.

I agree the U.S. isn't planning on "going it alone" but whether with alliances or not Obama has made it a habit to simply ask for compliance from dangerous opponents. Personally, I don't believe we should be negotiating with terrorists.

howjessica...we just cannot "not" talk. If so then what should we do in place of talk...nothing...boom boom boom...?

Talking is different then attempting negotiations. You are completely right in the way that talking is necessary, but talking should never take place of the consequences. North Korea has broken international law 3 times since 2006. They have been "talked to" for 3 years. And since we have given them no consequence they now know that they can do whatever they want because "talking" is all that we do.

Just one small correction--they have been "talked to" and "sanctioned" by the UN for a whole lot more than 3 years. Maybe someone needs to figure out that they aren't listening. I guess they will have to actually use one of their nukes before people recognize the real danger.

Good points. The UN is a useless organization with no enforcement authority and no guts. I think we should expend a large quantity of our ordnance on the North Korean nuke site, and ask them if they'd like more of the same on Pyongyang. That crazy dictator may, just may, think twice about it. If he doesn't, 'cry havoc....."

Or he might nuke South Korea

We have an "alliance" with South Korea. We have how many thousands of troops in the DMZ between the two countries attempting to keep the peace. If they did anything it would be against South Korea and we would be obligated to protect them. Team America - World Police.

I just think it would be fascinating if the north did something to provoke Russia. North Korea would be obliterated instantly and Obama would not even have a chance to send troops in supporting Russia.

Yes, we do have alliances with South Korea and Japan. I also understand there are about a million NK soldiers and thousands of non-nuclear missiles pointed at both countries. I'd like to see Russia and China lead the process as they stand to loose more than us if a nuke goes off anywhere in Asia.

North Korea is also on the list of terrorism supportive governments. They would be more than happy to sell the technology to the highest bidder. Which in turn puts U.S. citizens in danger (considering almost all terrorism groups have a common hatred in the United States). So by stopping North Korea we are preventing the development and production of global nuclear technology

North Korea is also on the list of terrorism supportive governments.

Didn't Bush take them off that list and give them a ton of money?

So then this is Bush's fault?

lol

I didn't say that. I'm just trying to remember if I recall correctly former President Bush removing NK from the Axis of Evil... I may be entirely wrong about that. The memory gets fuzzy when you drink too much kool-aid...lol

President Bush did remove NK from the list but from what I understand they have been re-added within the past two months because of their nuclear shenanigans

I know evilgenius. I was just being sarcastic. I remember hearing something about NK being removed from the list as well, but I can't recall if I made it up or someone actually said that. All I know is that I have a feeling that this is going to be like one of those really terrible movies where everyone is on the edge of their seat waiting for the monster to jump out and scare them, but it abruptly ends and you're left feeling confused about the whole thing.

What we really have is an old and sick dictator with hard line generals. These generals that have a million soldiers doing nothing. So what is the old bastard gonna do to hold off that millitary coup? Why whip up some millitary (nuclear shenanigans) national frenzy to show the world they aren't some pissant little country to distract the generals while he transfers power to his son. Maybe try to get some more international money, food and aid while he's at it.

I hope so!

Ha ha couldn't agree more. He needs to grow a spine.

We've been paying them not to do that for a long time. It's not new with Obama.

Yep you were right. More fear-mongering..thanks for the demonstration.

I wish Sgt USMC you would use another name. Not all Marines think like you.

I guess you misunderstood , as I was referring to Ric's fear-mongering post and mocking him for using fear mongering to deride fear-mongering.