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WASHINGTON — Republican leader John Boehner knew Democrats had the votes to push through a massive climate bill.
Still, after a day of debate, he wasn't quite finished.
Democrats had added 341 pages to a bill that had already grown to more than 1,200 pages and did it in the dead of night — at 3:09 a.m. Friday morning to be exact.
Shortly after 5:30 p.m., as Democrats were about to call for a vote, Boehner took the House floor to speak. He began leafing through the thick loose-leaf binder that contained the amendment, reading excerpts.
"I hate to do this to all of you," he told his colleagues, a half hour into the reading, seeming, however, to relish it.
Rep. Henry Waxman of California, the Democrats' floor leader for the bill, asked the presiding officer if there was any rule to cut Boehner off. He was told the custom of the House allowed House leaders to speak as long as they wished.
So Boehner continued reading page after page, citing language on building codes, the location of electric outlets, creation of green energy demonstration projects, new restrictions on mortgages to promote energy efficiency and other abstract legalistic phrases requirements.
He came across page 157, halfway through the document, where it discussed new training for real estate appraisers. Fifty minutes had passed.
Many of the lawmakers, especially those on the Democratic side, had drifted out of the chamber. Waxman sat quietly, rolling through his BlackBerry.
Again, Boehner feigned an apology. "But when you file a 300-page amendment at 3:09 a.m., the American people have a right to know what's in this bill," he intoned.
Waxman, who actually had to surrender some of his own time for Boehner to speak, wondered aloud whether the Republicans were stalling in hopes some Democrats might leave the Capitol before the vote, eager to start the July 4 holiday recess.
Boehner spoke a bit longer, but stopped 80-some pages short of the end. By then, an hour had passed.
About 45 minutes later, the House passed the bill 219-212 with only eight Republicans voting for it.
(This version CORRECTS RESTORES dropped word 'had' in 3rd graf; corrects style on BlackBerry.)
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{"commentId":7884516,"authorDomain":"agio"}
Stuntpublican.
{"commentId":7884516,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"agio"}
- 1 vote
#1 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:51 PM EDT{"commentId":7886430,"authorDomain":"lt98611"}
yea, your right, after all why would anybody want to read something that effects 300 M americans. . .
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":7886972,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
I watched Boehner for the entire thing...f%$# anyone who gives him s*&%^ for going through it...this "amendment" will ruin our country...I am an independent, having voted for Obama, and unless you watched his entire hour going through this amendement, then you have no clue how bad it is...it is bad...just to give you a taste: 6 derivative regulations are being removed, carbon credits will be commodities and traded as such on the open market, every single contractor in this country will have to get relicensed so they know how to meet the new green codes, building matls will all need to meet those codes too...imports will be regulated forcing other countries to either not import or meet our guidelines...hello trade warfare....amendments try to force other countries to abide by our regs...no one will be able to sell their homes until they pay to bring up to new codes...complete overhaul of appraisal industry will be needed to properly evaluate home values within govt guidelines for valuation/regulations...the list goes on and on....extends from home lending to well, everything. Think of it like this...if you emit methan by farting, the govt will be watching and there will be a price to pay.
If you value your freedom, thank Boehner for reading this amendment and making sure we knew as much as possible about it...then call your Senators and literally beg them to vote no.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":7885006,"authorDomain":"smokie453"}
I wish Boehner would of read the whole thing maybe than the people who voted for it actually knew what was in the legislation. How can you vote no a bill of this magnitude and not know what you voting for? For those of you that voted for this bill you have endorsed the creation of a monster. Shameless action on your part. Henry Waxman should be voted out of office come the next election cycle along with Nancy Pelosi. Impeachment of Obama should be the next order of business. He and his followers have caused more harm to this Nation than anyone before.
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- 2 votes
#2 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:17 PM EDT{"commentId":7885366,"authorDomain":"scottspride911"}
Question? How many elected officials, who are responsible to their constituants, actually read, digested and understood this massive spending and cost increasing bill?
That's what I thought.....(and we keep electing them back into office term after term)
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- 1 vote
#3 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:39 PM EDT{"commentId":7885813,"authorDomain":"redsfan"}
Notice that in the references to everything Boehner read...there wasn't anything scary or illegal or upsetting enough to bother anybody...it was just a political stunt.
{"commentId":7885813,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"redsfan"}
- 2 votes
#4 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:09 PM EDT{"commentId":7886305,"authorDomain":"bev-ly"}
Political stunt my A??! How do you know there wasn't anything scary or illegal in it? Were you there? Did you read it?
I'm sick of this crap pushing through this stuff and not reading the thing! At least Boehner tried to stall it. I can tell you that this morning on my way to work I was listening to the radio and people where I live were wanting phone numbers to call the congressman that were on the fence to try and get this cap and trade thing stopped.
This is going to put everyone in the poor house!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":7887101,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
It was scary...I watched the entire day, and Boehner was the only Repub to give me something to grab onto...it was the 300 pages of hell.
{"commentId":7887101,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"sperrys"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":7889091,"authorDomain":"redsfan"}
From what I've read...it was mostly concessions that actually weakened the bill. Too bad.
{"commentId":7889091,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"redsfan"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7897710,"authorDomain":"depantzd"}
The ever flaccid Boehner. Just a desperate political stunt, an hour of futile political masturbation.
Republican side of the aisle...still the alarmist, fear-mongering 'party of no': no ideas, no comprehension, no progress, no future. No thanks!
{"commentId":7897710,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"depantzd"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":7897779,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
I'm in favor of "No". So were the Founding Fathers.
{"commentId":7897779,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":7898467,"authorDomain":"depantzd"}
The Founding Fathers' local political representatives first tried the flaccid 'no' tactic, as in "no taxation without representation" and "no quartering of troops in our homes". A few tax collectors got tarred and feathered. More troops were sent - it wasn't even developing into a livable stalemate.
Finally, out of desperation the Founding Fathers, themselves, said an emphatic "yes", as in yes to an independent American nation, yes to an independent American economy. The Founding Fathers risked life and treasure to say "yes, we can" and to follow through on it. There was no shortage of Loyalists (like yourself) promptly pivoting on their heel to shout "no" to the risky business of independence, and frantically sucking up to King George to restore the old familiar order once again, to remain dependent on any terms.
We are now going after some degree of energy independence and environmental preservation for America. Your frightened, dithering "no" would not impress the Founding Fathers, it wouldn't even impress the Greek philosopher whose name you use in vain, Socrates1. The FFs were all rational, thinking men of action - not sycophantic practitioners of "no". Time for you to suck it up and stop your futile whining and impotent chanting "no new policy" and "no taxes".
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":7900065,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
What a way to twist history.
You think that moving towards a totalitarian government in the United States is moving in the right direction?
You think that Tax and Grab which will send the rest of our industrial capacity overseas is the way to independence?
I find my views perfectly compatible with those of Socrates. Question. Search for truth. Expose garbage.
Another newsvine attack with no logical thinking (Socrates) behind it.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":7900371,"authorDomain":"depantzd"}
No spin in that brief history lesson, Socrates1. Happy to school you in your halting "search for truth". The truth is sometimes incompatable with empty political talking points, unfortunately.
Which components of our industrial capacity, exactly, will be driven overseas by an energy policy that diversifies our domestic energy base? Search for the truth here, S1.
Just when do you forecast will America become a totalitarian state? Again, a search for truth would be appropriate here.
BTW, in #11 DoctorLogic asked you to cite the parts of the US Constitution that hang in tatters, according to your assertion. If you would, please. Once again, the search for truth, right?
I think we are doing a fine job of "exposing garbage", as you put it. Empty partisan rhetoric and obstructionism, flavored with more than a dash of sour grapes. Not an original thought in sight from the right.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":7886276,"authorDomain":"gmscroggs7399"}
Well someone damn sure should have read it dont you think?
There is more crap in there to send prices through the roof and work to some third world @!$%# hole that doesnt care about a carbon footprint or whatever they want to call it these days?
What happened to the transparency that was going to be brought in by this administration? We were going to be able to view these bills on line BEFORE they are voted on. Oh do you think they just forgot that little point?
In case you haven't noticed, the people in DC are not your friends and they damn sure dont work for the American people.
America would be better off without the bunch of self serving low life people that seem to think they know what is best for us.
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- 3 votes
#5 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:38 PM EDT{"commentId":7887086,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
About 45 minutes later, the House passed the bill 219-212 with only eight Republicans voting for it.
Someone got a fat payoff for this...exactly 8, exactly what was needed...I will be looking to see who sold out.
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- 3 votes
#6 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:30 PM EDT{"commentId":7887748,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}
{"commentId":7887858,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
Thanks Ellie..need help finding text of amendment, and video of Boehner's hour...c-span video is cutting it off...can you help?
I watched this live, and am writing an article now....it is worse than I ever imagined...
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":7890584,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}
{"commentId":7895603,"authorDomain":"dharris49"}
Good for you Lisa. I will too. Tonight, Iwill start draft a letter to my democrat senator to encourage her to vote against this bill. If my republican (Richard Burr) voted for it, I would be shocked.
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{"commentId":7887110,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
"I'm opposed to a government option, period. Listen, if you like going to the DMV, and you think they do a great job, or if you like going to the post office and think it's the most efficient thing you have run into, then you will love the government-run health care system that they're proposing, because that's basically what you're going to have." - U.S. Representative John Boehner, R-Ohio
This Congressman isn't tightly wound or aware of the reality of United States of American life.
If you've got an important doc to send, well, then send it FedEx or UPS or courier.
What else would a person do than the DMV? At some point, government actually has a use. He doesn't realize AAA has a work around?
This congressperson is the problem with government.
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#7 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:32 PM EDT{"commentId":7887321,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
Congressmen are the problem...unless you are lucky to get one who reads an amendment to us on cspan so we can be informed. I thank G-- Boehner did this. The amendments cover everything we do...breathing will be lucky not to be monitored or taxed...I kid you not. I watched the entire day...these amendments are downright scary...look to see if you can find them...I haven't been able to so far. And c-span video is cutting Boehner's hour out, at least on my computer. He spoke from I think 5:30 tp 6:30p et....go to c-span...start at 3:18 into video..that's when texas rep asked about missing amendment...appalling response to his asking for a hard copy. While I appreciate all govt programs we have enjoyed, what this bill does is take away the most important areas of the free market...there will be a mass exodus of companies leaving this country for those who won't do this to them...watch Boehner for the full hour if you can even find it...then decide. PLEASE!!!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":7887390,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
Oh, and the reason I know where to look and times they spoke is because I watched the whole day...seeing with your eyes is the only way to get the truth, or based on what MSM is covering, to get it at all.
{"commentId":7887390,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"sperrys"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7887391,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
"....watch Boehner for the full hour if you can even find it...then decide..."
I haven't been able to find his C-Span speech. He is just a dope.
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{"commentId":7887435,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
Spooky...I watched him live. He read right from the thing...the only dopes are those who don't read it....including all of us. He did...he was the only one it seems, and he read it aloud so we would know what we might've missed...I, until today, referred to him as bonehead...now, not so much.
Oh...and why is c-span cutting him out of video? Big question mark for me...
{"commentId":7887435,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"sperrys"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7887468,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
Let's find it and post it.
{"commentId":7887468,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"spookybf"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":7887810,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
I'm trying, and also writing an article now on it...I have to have the text of that amendment..it' like it doesn't exist
{"commentId":7887810,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"sperrys"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":7888032,"authorDomain":"redsfan"}
This entire bill is very complicated...and the amendments are as well. I'm sure the experts will analyze it to death before it goes to the Senate and everyone will have a chance to decide. But please decide on the merits of the bill...and not just on political partisanship. We need to do something about climate change and work with other nations to save our planet. Our futures depend on it. Doing nothing is no longer a choice...we have to do something!
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- 3 votes
#8 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:42 PM EDT{"commentId":7888124,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
I agree....something needs to be done. I am a former dem, now independent...we need to do something, but this IS NOT IT!! One repub today suggested that we give a tax break on FICA, and then add green tax..switch it up so it doesn't cost any more...why can't we take a bit more time to explore those ideas? why the rush on something so big at such a bad time?
{"commentId":7888124,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"sperrys"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7888163,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
We've had 16 years of inaction.
{"commentId":7888163,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"spookybf"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7888622,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
Thank God
{"commentId":7888622,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7889234,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
Then what is another couple of months to get it right?
{"commentId":7889234,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"sperrys"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7906765,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
Is the direction you are imagining right? What would you do?
What would you do?
{"commentId":7906765,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"spookybf"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":7888073,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
Without the REPUB votes it would not have passed. Good God.
I know I'm being lazy, but who were the 8?
{"commentId":7888073,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
- 2 votes
#9 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:45 PM EDT{"commentId":7888144,"authorDomain":"sperrys"}
See Ellie's link in #6.1...mine #6
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":7888633,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
Went straight to the source, but thanks. Also sent an email suggesting they be thrown out of the Republican Party.
{"commentId":7888633,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7889096,"authorDomain":"redsfan"}
We will welcome them with open arms...Thanks!
{"commentId":7889096,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"redsfan"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7890595,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}
And, we'll be happy to take your 44 dems who used their brains instead of their power lust in deciding the right thing for the people, not the party.
{"commentId":7890595,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":7893314,"authorDomain":"dc4hilburn"}
:-) All our states representatives voted no. Kind of surprised though, as I am only familiar with 1 of the 3 dems and he is generally a horses behind ;-)
{"commentId":7893314,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"dc4hilburn"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7893446,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}
Well, crystal, perhaps it was self-preservation with him...you know what they same about horses' (and cows') behinds and methane! LOL.
{"commentId":7893446,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}
{"commentId":7891096,"authorDomain":"DoctorLogic"}
Here is one thing I don't quite understand....this goes especially with environmental issues. I don't think anyone disputes the effect we have on the environment around us...that is pretty much common sense. The majority of respected climatologists or other scientists have also said due to rising population levels, manufacturing etc. that we're emitting far too much Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere. It is a problem that needs to be addressed. We're somewhat at a crossroads right now. Do we continue on the same path that we're going, continuing to add to the problem; OR do we finally do something about it? You could probably look for reasons not to do something…that's the easy way. Finally, thankfully for the sake of my kids and kid's kids, we have an Administration that is willing to do something.
The President's bill is paid for, in large part through the trades that are purchased by high polluting industries (doesn't it make sense that the guiltiest people responsible for the problem in the first place have to pay for it?). Therefore it doesn't add to the deficit. If restrictions aren't put on imports but are applied in the U.S., as has been proven, American industry will have no problems bringing jobs overseas so they don't have to abide by the same regulations…it has happened over and over and over. Using better building materials, energy efficient homes etc. helps everyone in the long run…we use less energy and it also helps the consumer with their costs. Example, we put energy efficient windows in our home two years ago and paid for them already with our energy savings...from here on, we're actually saving money.
Certain groups of people continually berate our President for spending and not being a strong leader. Regarding the situation in Iran they said, "As the United States, we should be leading and not following" or with anything else Obama tries to do, "we're piling debt onto the backs of our children'…well, now is the time to step up and LEAD to preserve the earth we live on for all future generations. Millions of jobs would be created and we're doing what we should do. If we don't, it isn't going to matter how much "debt" we are in because we won't be around. Our generation will be looked at as the generation that made decisions to only serve our interests..not the interests of future generations.
{"commentId":7891096,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"DoctorLogic"}
- 3 votes
#10 - Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:49 AM EDT{"commentId":7897833,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
Well, Dr.Logic. Just to address one point. As mentioned in your comment we will be sending the rest of our industrial base overseas. The environment will continue to be "polluted" and the standard of living in the United States will fall. This is without even mentioning the fact that our Constitution is now in tatters and nobody seems to care. Regarding these millions of jobs to be created, by whom, paid for with what, adding value in which way?
Regarding the "Children". Don't even get me started.
What are you willing to sacrifice today to "save the world"?
{"commentId":7897833,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7899446,"authorDomain":"DoctorLogic"}
Again, same ole' Republican dribble-drabble...fear, fear, fear.
What part of the Constitution is in "tatters", by the way?
Talking loud and angry...no substance....great way to get things done. If Obama is doing everything wrong, what are your ideas?
{"commentId":7899446,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"DoctorLogic"}
- 3 votes
#11 - Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:00 PM EDT{"commentId":7900133,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
Just for starters--Bailing out the Banks. Bailing out the auto workers. Bailing out the car makers. Balance between the power of the States and the Federal Government. The fiat money system. Executive Orders. War without declaration. I could go on. Pick any one of these and show me how they are within the powers delegated by the Constitution. Name-calling, although expected, will simply result in your forfeiting any hope of making your point.
BTW--private or public education? Before or after 1980?
{"commentId":7900133,"threadId":"613667","contentId":"2974019","authorDomain":"Socrates1"}
- 1 vote
#12 - Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT{"commentId":7903024,"authorDomain":"DoctorLogic"}
I'll once again ask....If Obama is doing everything wrong, what are your ideas?
The bailouts we could argue to a stalemate because you're going to argue that it has contributed to the deficit (which it has) but I'll argue without the bailouts this recession would have been much, much worse. Obama's contribution to the auto industry literally saved hundreds of thousands of jobs....if he wouldn't have provided money for them, you'd be arguing about how he isn't doing anything to help the economy or the American people.
I wasn't 'calling you a name', but, I've seen this same argument over and over and over. I have yet to see one solid answer to question I posed above....its really easy to sit and hold on to ideologies, not so easy to deal with actual repercussions from them.
BTW--let's just say I've been around for a while and have had my share of both.
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- 2 votes
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