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House Democrats muzzle GOP on sensitive issues

Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:21 PM EDT
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Andrew Taylor, Associated Press

FILE -- In this Feb. 13, 2009 file photo, House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, talks with reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington. In their zeal to protect their members from politically hazardous votes on issues such as gay marriage and gun control, Democrats running the House of Representatives are taking extraordinary steps to muzzle Republicans in this summer's debates on spending bills. (AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke, FILE)

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WASHINGTON — In their zeal to protect their members from politically hazardous votes on issues such as gay marriage and gun control, Democrats running the House of Representatives are taking extraordinary steps to muzzle Republicans in this summer's debates on spending bills.

On Thursday, for example, Republicans had hoped to force debates on abortion, school vouchers and medical marijuana, as well as gay marriage and gun control, as part of House consideration of the federal government's contribution to the District of Columbia's city budget.

No way, Democrats said.

At issue are 12 bills totaling more than $1.2 trillion in annual appropriations bills for funding most government programs — usually low-profile legislation that typically dominates the work of the House in June and July. For decades, those bills have come to the floor under an open process that allows any member to try to amend them. Often those amendments are an effort to change government policy by adding or subtracting money for carrying it out.

The tradition has often meant laborious debates. But it has allowed lawmakers with little seniority to have their say on doling out the one-third of the federal budget passed by Congress each year. It was a right the Democrats zealously defended when they were the minority party from 1995 through 2006.

House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., insists the clampdown is to prevent debates from dragging on and on. Republicans, however, have agreed to limit the amount of time debating the bills.

Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., acknowledged in a brief interview that one reason for restricting amendments is to save members of his party from having to cast politically painful votes.

So instead of debating an attempt backed by House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio to allow more children living in Washington to receive school vouchers, the House voted on a Quixotic attempt to eliminate the President's Council of Economic Advisers.

"What they want to do is they want to avoid tough votes on appropriations bills," said Rep. David Dreier of California, senior Republican on the Rules Committee.

Even some Democrats are chaffing at the heavy-handed clampdown on debate. Abortion opponent Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., on Thursday lashed out at his party's leaders for denying him and others a chance to vote on restoring a long-standing directive by Congress blocking taxpayer-funded abortions in Washington, D.C.

Democrats effectively reversed that stance while the bill was still being considered by the Appropriations Committee. Stupak said the Democratic leadership's new policy on floor debates "muzzles the voices of pro-life members."

As a result, the measure barely cleared a procedural hurdle Thursday afternoon before passing later by a 219-208 vote.

The process has become so relentlessly efficient that Democrats were actually forced to drag out action into Friday on a $33 billion measure funding energy programs and water projects. The reason? They need to stretch the workweek into Friday to force lawmakers to remain in Washington for committee work on health care and other spending bills.

Republicans complain that unless a member of their party is one of the 60 members of the Appropriations Committee, he is essentially blocked from having any say in shaping the budget.

"That simply disenfranchises most of the members of this body," said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz.

Democrats say that months ago, they offered Republicans the chance for a more open process in return for a guarantee that Republicans wouldn't drag things out. Republicans initially said no but recently have agreed to limit how long a bill can be debated. Too late, say Democrats.

"We offered Republicans the opportunity to work with us in a bipartisan way to offer amendments so we could complete the appropriations process in a timely manner," said Brendan Daly, spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "They rejected that offer and have repeatedly used delaying tactics."

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More Than Happy

Good, F'em, Pelosi is finally acting like she's Speaker of the House. The GOP muzzled the Democrats on absolutely everything for years in the House, they need to know there are consequences for it.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
Pacific Northwest Blogger

A simple rewording of this article with less bias from the AP writer (and my own replacing it), the Democrat's keep the GOP on topic (for the first time in my relatively long life).

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:36 PM EDT
sms29s66

Agreed! It's about damned time.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:12 PM EDT
Kc77

This article needs help. It lacks critical thinking skills. Lets see

healthcare versus medical marijuana

economic recovery versus abortion

two wars in the middle east versus school vouchers

One of these in each of these examples is more important statistically with Americans. I would like this article to be less about marketing new "topics" versus actually talking about the important issue that are important to Americans now.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:18 PM EDT
AZPADDY

It's about time the Democrats acted as if they're in the majority. The R's were blatently brutal when they were in the majority.

Maybe they've never heard the term "payback's a bitch!'

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:29 PM EDT
George-369262

Isn't it interesting that it is one of those nasty white Republican males that Newsviners hate so much, attempting to restore school vouchers for the DC district kids, so that the black kids in DC can get a good education and have a fighting chance at a decent life ?

Curious how the Oh-So-Compassionate Obama threw these kids under the bus, and it was completely ignored by MSM. Too bad that most of these kids likely don't have a loving white grandmother to pay for their education, like Obama, eh ?

    #1.5 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:20 AM EDT
    AZPADDY

    George

    Always looking for, and finding, an example to bolster the anti-public education view. Vouchers are an insideous tool to undermine public education by diverting funding to private schools. "Starving the beast" as conservative extremists call it, only with vouchers, public monies are used for private purposes.

      #1.6 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:16 PM EDT
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      MrsAck

      Democrats say that months ago, they offered Republicans the chance for a more open process in return for a guarantee that Republicans wouldn't drag things out. Republicans initially said no but recently have agreed to limit how long a bill can be debated. Too late, say Democrats.

      This sounds like the 7 and 8 year olds that play tag in our neighborhood:

      Jimmy: I want to be it!

      Johnny: No, I want to be it!

      Jimmy: But you always get to be it first.

      Johnny: No I don't!

      Jimmy: Fine, go first, 'cause I'm not gonna play!

      Johnny: Ookaay, I changed my mind, you can go first. Just don't quit.

      Jimmy: I don't care if you changed your mind (and I got my way), I don't want to play anymore.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#2 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:21 PM EDT
      Robert Bartholomew

      "Muzzled"? Is that supposed to be a joke? Members of the GOP come out almost daily with some new(er) extraordinary lie to spin the truth so it sounds exactly like the opposite of what it is...

      • 8 votes
      Reply#3 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:22 PM EDT
      iconoclasm

      They are muzzled in the debates in congress.

      The question would be, who cares. I actually watch these. There are most of the other congresspeople are not in the room most of the time. Where are they? Yapping it up to the press. No one is getting convinced by the debates. All they are for is to supply footage to the media. They are staged and scripted theater at best.

      • 2 votes
      #3.1 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:32 PM EDT
      Robert Bartholomew

      Muzzled becasue they can't filibuster? Poor things! It pisses me off that once upon a time "democracy" meant a simple majority. Now we need 60% to keep those idiots from filibustering the daily weather report!

      • 3 votes
      #3.2 - Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:37 AM EDT
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      janice-376027

      Whaaaaaaaa poor GOP - they don't get to blather on about their favorite things: Guns, God, and Gays. If they actually had ANY real ideas or solutions it would be different but every issue President Obama, the Senate and others are trying to solve are met with pick one (or more) from the GOP:

      1) No, no, no

      2) Sarcasm and derision

      3) Flat out lying

      4) Name calling - Socialist, Marxist, Fascist, etc etc

      5) Blah Blah Blah

      The GOP has not solved anything nor does their platform contain solutions or new ideas. I am glad that the Dems are finally saying 'too fking bad' to the GOP. Watching them question Sotomayor has been disgusting and ridiculous in the extreme but if anyone wanted a real idea about the GOP, they should just watch the hearings and listen to the Senators ask NO real policy questions.

      Can't wait for 2010 when hopefully the Democrats will pick up a few more seats

      • 4 votes
      Reply#4 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:14 PM EDT
      The Few The Proud

      Rewind to years 2001-2006 and switch the party names.

      Nothing changes; everything remains the same.

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:29 PM EDT
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      Jeb Black

      They act like they don't get along but they seem to continue this country down the same dead end road the last 60 years.......I'm done playing this little partisan game. The jig is UP liars! Vote both parties out in 2010.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:22 PM EDT
      Frank BlackDeleted
      MrsAck

      I guess I am confused (wouldn't be the first time).

      It seems to me like there are a lot of people on the vine that continue to bitch about our constitutional rights being trampled on. But this conversation makes me think that everyone who does not follow the majority party like a lemming, should have a "muzzle". So freedom of speech only applies if you agree with the majority? Can't this be handled in an adult way? Like, maybe Pelosi acting like a leader and allowing discussion while keeping that discussion on task?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#7 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:40 PM EDT
      iconoclasm

      They are only being muzzled in congress and they don't listen to each other anyway so it's a non-issue.

      • 2 votes
      #7.1 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:33 PM EDT
      sms29s66

      The "muzzle" is the consequence of losing their majorities in both houses of Congress. That's the way it goes. The Democrats were in that unhappy position not so very long ago and I didn't see the Republicans giving any credence to our positions on issues. We should make hay while the sun shines. Universal health care!!!!!

      • 1 vote
      #7.2 - Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:45 PM EDT
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      Better Careful

      Republicans simply want to obstruct government and progress. They seek to dis-rail progress by changing the debate to subjects irrelevant to the issues, but unfavorable for their opponents. This sort of disingenuous smarminess is endemic, and epidemic, to them.

      We're seeing more and more, too, that the AP is becomming a right-wing pimp/shill, rather like Fox News. This is good to know, so we can put their stuff in context. This strategy will hurt the AP in the long run; who's running the show there, they can't be too bright?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#8 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:34 PM EDT
      USAF Vet-923294

      I am a Democrat, but I am complete against muzzling the opposing side. The Government is supposed be for the people. I may not agree with what they have to say, but that does not mean that others should have there voices silenced.

      Think about it. Would you want your representative quashed where you had no voice or representation? If the Democrats do this, it becomes fair game for an part in the future to do.

      So, if you agree with them doing this, don't bitch when it happens to you or your rep.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#9 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:44 PM EDT
      iconoclasm

      Watch either side when they are not muzzled. Not much is being missed.

      • 3 votes
      #9.1 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:03 PM EDT
      USAF Vet-923294

      Watch either side when they are not muzzled.

      Yet, that is when the stupidity comes out and everyone can see it. Muzzling isn't the answer. It can actually be the problem.

      • 1 vote
      #9.2 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:07 PM EDT
      iconoclasm

      Here's an example.

      The Secretary of Health had to leave congress by noon. The (R)s wanted the her to commit that she would come back before the health bill left this committee. The (D) chairman muzzled the question explaining that sending a request to appear is a different process. This lead to an off and on discussion over the whole thing which wasted at least ten minutes. At the end of it the (R)s wanted to debate over whether they could force this commitment. The (D) chairman adjourned. The (R)s blocked the adjournment. The (D) chairman recessed instead.

      Now at any other time the (R)s and (D)s can be reversed but the whole thing just makes me want to give a three stooges running slap down the line to the lot of them. In fact some things would get done better if they handed out cream pies then the way it is acutally performed.

      • 3 votes
      #9.3 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:25 PM EDT
      USAF Vet-923294

      Although it may seem stupid, that is a part of the politics. Generally caused from procedures that have been put in place. As always, there are rules and exceptions to the rules or ways around the rules.

      However, the article is refering to debates over issues:

      for example, Republicans had hoped to force debates on abortion, school vouchers and medical marijuana, as well as gay marriage and gun control, as part of House consideration of the federal government's contribution to the District of Columbia's city budget.
      No way, Democrats said.

      • 1 vote
      #9.4 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:50 PM EDT
      sms29s66

      Your representative WAS quashed when the Republicans were in power. Do you think Tom Delay, Denny Hastert, Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, Trent Lott, etc. gave a rat's ass about your representative or senator, or for that matter, you? Republicans realize that politics is a contact sport. Democrats seem not to. We have to toughen up and play hardball.

        #9.5 - Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:50 PM EDT
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        Repoman-1208817

        Am I the only person who read that they are talking about 1.2 trillion dollars? I am alarmed that they would even consider such a price tag for the District of Columbia. They are going to fund abortons and who knows what else.

        They need to debate this stuff to weed out the bad spending choices. Who gives a damn about political affiliation? Debate the merits of the spending and see if all of it is required...I am sure they can find a couple hundred billion in waste in a 1.2 trillion dollar bill.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#10 - Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:36 AM EDT
        Real World Engineer

        But it the "debates" never come down to finding actual waste.

        Its just debates about ideology nine times out of ten. Like your first paragraph said "They are going to fund abortions and who knows what else."

        Of course they are are going to fund abortions it is the right thing to do, IMHO.

        But both our points debated are about ideology not waste. Which is what happens in congress which is next to meaningless, given one party holds such dominance the other is not needed most of the time. Since both sides are entrenched in their own views, its just a waste of time to debate.

          #10.1 - Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:16 PM EDT
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