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Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:53 AM EDT
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SAN FRANCISCO — A drug deal plays out, California-style: A conservatively dressed courier drives a company-leased Smart Car to an apartment on a weekday afternoon. Erick Alvaro hands over a white paper bag to his 58-year-old customer, who inspects the bag to ensure everything he ordered over the phone is there.
An eighth-ounce of organic marijuana buds for treating his seasonal allergies? Check. An eighth of a different pot strain for insomnia? Check. THC-infused lozenges and tea bags? Check and check, with a free herb-laced cookie thrown in as a thank-you gift.
It's a $102 credit card transaction carried out with the practiced efficiency of a home-delivered pizza — and with just about as much legal scrutiny.
More and more, having premium pot delivered to your door in California is not a crime. It is a legitimate business.
Marijuana has transformed California. Since the state became the first to legalize the drug for medicinal use, the weed the federal government puts in the same category as heroin and cocaine has become a major economic force.
No longer relegated to the underground, pot in California these days props up local economies, mints millionaires and feeds a thriving industry of startups designed to grow, market and distribute the drug.
Based on the quantity of marijuana authorities seized last year, the crop was worth an estimated $17 billion or more, dwarfing any other sector of the state's agricultural economy.
Experts say most of that marijuana is still sold as a recreational drug on the black market. But more recently the plant has put down deep financial roots in highly visible, taxpaying businesses:
Stores that sell high-tech marijuana growing equipment. Pot clubs that pay rent and hire workers. Marijuana themed magazines and food products. Chains of for-profit clinics with doctors who specialize in medical marijuana recommendations.
The plant's prominence does not come without costs, say some critics. Marijuana plantations in remote forests cause severe environmental damage. Indoor grow houses in some towns put rentals beyond the reach of students and young families. Rural counties with declining economies cannot attract new businesses because the available work force is caught up in the pot industry. Authorities link the drug to violent crime in otherwise quiet small towns.
"For those of us who are on the front lines, it's not about pot is bad in itself or drugs are bad," said Meredith Lintott, district attorney in Mendocino County, one of the country's top marijuana-producing regions.
"It's about the negative consequences on children. It's about the negative consequences on the environment."
Still, the sheer scale of the overall pot economy has some lawmakers pushing for broader legalization as a way to shore up the finances of a state that has teetered on the edge of bankruptcy. The state's top tax collector estimates that taxing pot like liquor could bring in more than $1.3 billion annually.
On Tuesday, Oakland will consider a measure to tax the city's four marijuana dispensaries, which the city auditor projects will ring up $17.5 million in sales in 2010. The city faces an $83 million budget shortfall, and expects the marijuana tax to raise $315,000.
Advocates point out that making pot legal would create millions if not billions of dollars more in indirect sales — the ingredients used to make edible pot products, advertising, tourism and smoking paraphernalia.
With a recent poll showing more than half of Californians supporting legalization, pot advocates believe they will prevail. And they say other states will follow.
Tim Blake is the proprietor of a 145-acre spiritual retreat center which holds an annual marijuana bud-growing contest in the heart of Northern California's pot-growing country.
Politicians, he says, are "going to see the economic benefits, they're going to see the health benefits and they're going to jump on the bandwagon."
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On a property flanked by vineyards, Mendocino County farmer Jim Hill grows marijuana for up to 20 patients, including himself and his wife. He believes passionately in marijuana's purported ability to treat the symptoms of diseases ranging from cancer to Alzheimer's; he says his wife suffers from a serotonin imbalance, and he uses the drug to treat digestive problems and intestinal cramping.
Hill's plants enjoy careful nurturing in a temperature-controlled greenhouse. On a recent spring day, his college-age son spread bat guano to fertilize two dozen 6-foot-tall plants.
Hill is 45 years old; he says he spent $10,000 to set up the garden. Patients receive their drugs free in exchange for helping with his crop.
"It's kind of like living on an apple orchard," Hill said. "You don't pay for an apple."
Though marijuana is cultivated throughout California, the most prized crops come from the forested mountains and hidden valleys of Mendocino, Humboldt and Trinity counties — the Emerald Triangle.
The economic impact of so much pot is difficult to gauge. Authorities say the largest grows are run by Mexican drug cartels that simply funnel money from forest-raised crops back into their own bank accounts.
Still, marijuana money from outdoor and indoor plots inevitably flows into local coffers. Marijuana increases residents' retail buying power by about $58 million countywide, according to a Mendocino County report. The county ranks 48th out of 58 counties in median income but, by counting pot proceeds, could jump as high as 18th.
Businesses benefit from mom-and-pop growers who cultivate pot to supplement their incomes and from marijuana plantation workers who descend on the Emerald Triangle from all over the country for the fall harvest. Pot "trimmers" can earn more than $40 per hour.
In Ukiah, the county's largest city, business owners say the extra cash is crucial. "I really don't think we would exist without it," says Nicole Martensen, 37, whose wine and garden shop is stocked with bottles from county vintners.
The skunk-like smell of marijuana hangs over the town of about 11,000 during the October harvest, when cash registers brim with $100 bills. Sometimes the wads of cash spent in Martensen's shop come dusted with pot.
But Ukiah banker Marty Lombardi says existing businesses cannot compete with pot industry wages for workers. Lombardi's bank does not make loans to anyone suspected of trying to fund a pot operation, but he said most growers do not need them.
"I don't think you or I have any sense for how much money is generated," he said.
Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman says medical marijuana operations that follow state and county laws will face no hassles from his department. His deputies left intact 154 marijuana grows they visited last year, he said
"If you're living in the boundaries, I'm not going to mess with you," Allman said.
Which is not to say that there is no legal risk to growing, selling or buying marijuana. Federal laws still apply, and pot dealings not deemed medicinal are considered criminal by the state.
Local, state and federal authorities pulled up 364,000 plants across Mendocino last year. And the state Department of Justice reported more than 16,000 felony arrests and nearly 58,000 misdemeanor arrests for marijuana offenses in 2007 — the highest numbers in a decade.
Sparky Rose sits in the federal prison in Lompoc, serving a 37-month term. Law enforcement officials insist he is one of many sellers who have used the medical marijuana law as a guise for old-time drug dealing. Rose does not disagree, although he would like to think he helped some legitimate pot patients in the process.
A one-time Web designer, he started out in 2001 making $15 an hour as a "bud tender" working the counter at an Oakland club. Four years later, he was overseeing a dispensary chain with stores in seven cities, 283 employees and sales reaching $5 million a month.
That's not as much as it seems, he says. Much of the money went to pay salaries, to purchase equipment and to buy 200 pounds of marijuana each week.
Rose says he was making $500,000 a year before his 2006 arrest, a sum he considers fair given the chain's volume and the risk he assumed as the company's public face. Before opening a new location, he would meet with local officials and police to get their implicit OK.
"We operated out in the open, and the feds knew who we were and they let us do it for four years, so as time goes on you get this comfortable feeling," he says.
"While I was still in the business, a lot people would ask me, 'I'm thinking about starting a club, what advice do you have?' "And I'd say, 'The biggest warning is sooner or later, you will start to think it's legal.'"
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Even people accustomed to buying marijuana over the counter are impressed when they visit the Farmacy, a dispensary-cum-New Age apothecary with three locations in Los Angeles. Decorated in soft beige and staffed by workers in lab coats, the Venice store sells organic toiletries, essential oils and incense along with 25 types of pot stored in glass jars, including strains such as Beverly Bubba and Third Eye.
Anyone can shop there, but to buy the cannabis-infused gelato, olive oil, soft drinks and other "edibles," customers must show a doctor's recommendation, have the information verified by the doctor's office and obtain a patient identification number for future visits.
During a two-hour span, the dozen or so customers who made a purchase all bought pot products and paid the 9.25 percent state sales tax on top of their purchases. The clubs, which are not supposed to turn a profit, call their transactions "donations."
Allen Siegel is 74; he is dying of cancer and wants to try smoking marijuana to ease his pain without knocking him out like prescription drugs do. So his wife, Ina, brought him to the Farmacy for his first visit as a legal pot patient.
"You go in there and they have so many choices," she says.
California's "green rush" was spurred by a voter-approved law 13 years ago that authorized patients with a doctor's recommendation to possess and cultivate marijuana for personal use. Although a dozen other states have adopted similar laws, California is the only one where privately owned pot shops have flourished.
Los Angeles County alone has more than 400 pot dispensaries and delivery services, nearly twice as many outlets as Amsterdam, the Netherlands capital whose coffee shops have for decades been synonymous with free-market marijuana.
Promoted as a way to shield people with AIDS, cancer and anorexia who use marijuana from prosecution, the 1996 Compassionate Use Act also permitted limited possession for "any other illness for which marijuana provides relief."
The broad language opened the door to doctors willing to recommend pot for nearly any ailment. In a survey of nearly 2,500 patients, longtime Berkeley medical marijuana advocate Dr. Tod Mikuriya found that almost three-quarters of the patients used the drug for pain relief or mental health issues.
Dispensaries began selling marijuana, although they were risking federal charges. Some operators have become less fearful since U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said this year that the Justice Department would not target pot operations following state laws, reducing the risk of random federal raids that existed under the Bush administration.
California's pot dispensaries now have more in common with a corner grocery than a speakeasy. They advertise freely, offering discount coupons and daily specials.
Justin Hartfield, a 25-year-old Web designer and business student, founded WeedMaps.com, where pot clubs and doctors who write medi-pot recommendations list their services and users post reviews. Hartfield says the year-old site brought in $20,000 this month, an amount he expects to double in August.
Hartfield exhibited at THC Expo, a two-day trade show at the Los Angeles Convention Center that attracted an estimated 35,000 attendees in June. There was hydroponic gardening equipment and bong vendors and bikini-clad models wearing leis made of fake marijuana leaves.
Like just about everyone else connected to the cannabis trade, Hartfield has a letter from a doctor that entitles him to buy medical marijuana from a dispensary. But he sees no point in pretending he is treating anything more than his taste for smoking weed.
"It is a joke. It's a legal way for me to get what I used to get on the street," he said.
He recalls telling the doctor who provided the referral that he suffered from insomnia and anxiety, though neither was true. As he signed the paperwork, the doctor "congratulated me like I was getting my degree from Harvard."
___
What would happen if marijuana was legal — not just for medical uses, but for all uses?
Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, wants the state to tax and regulate all pot as it does alcohol. State Board of Equalization chairwoman Betty Yee, a supporter, projects the law would generate $990 million annually through a $50-per-ounce fee for retailers and $392 million in sales taxes. (The state now collects $18 million each year in taxes on medical marijuana.)
The state would not start collecting taxes on marijuana under Ammiano's bill until the federal government lifts its restrictions on the drug.
That's not enough for pro-pot activists who want Californians to vote next year on a proposal that would allow adults to legally possess up to one ounce of pot and allow cities to sell and tax the drug.
"Local governments are malnourished and in need of revenue badly," said Aaron Smith, state policy director for the Marijuana Policy Project, which advocates legalization. "There's this multibillion-dollar industry that's the elephant in the room that they're not able to tap into."
Lintott, the Mendocino prosecutor, is not convinced that legalization would put an end to the underworld's marijuana operations. She argues that big-time growers would never bother filing tax returns. "Legalizing it isn't going to touch the big money," she says.
But others predict the black-market business model would fall apart.
Large-scale agri-businesses in California's Central Valley would dominate legal marijuana production as they already do bulk wine grapes, advocates argue. Pot prices would fall dramatically, forcing growers to abandon costly clandestine operations that authorities say trash the land and steal scarce water.
And legalization, supporters insist, would save state and local governments billions on police, court and prison costs.
But others survey California in 2009 and say the cannabis future is now. Richard Lee has parlayed a pair of Oakland dispensaries into a mini-empire that includes a marijuana lifestyle magazine, an "adult consumption" club, a starter plant nursery and a three-campus marijuana trade school. Oaksterdam University's main campus is a prominent fixture in revitalized downtown Oakland.
All without legalization.
"It's like here's reality, and here's the law," Lee says. "The culture has gone so far beyond the law, people have gotten used to being able to get quality product. They are not going to go back."
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{"commentId":8279592,"authorDomain":"LennyLester"}
nice
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#1 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:23 AM EDT{"commentId":8280302,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
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{"commentId":8281228,"authorDomain":"thedeadhead"}
I'm filling out an application for product tester and inspector.............
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{"commentId":8281298,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
I'm filling out an application for product tester and inspector
Don't be stingy, where do I sign up?
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{"commentId":8279604,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
That guy in the first picture looks like he's been testing the product
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#2 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:24 AM EDT{"commentId":8285016,"authorDomain":"drratatoskr"}
strong stuff ? just smelling it and he passed out ?
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{"commentId":8286196,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
Oh snap, I've found the doctor. I need my allergy meds, stat! Next months too please.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":8279677,"authorDomain":"alur7"}
China had a hard lesson when opium was imposed on it by the British in the 19th century. It destroyed the Chinese for 100 years.
It's a sad case that California wants to help its economy by legalizing and taxing marijuana. This is the hay days of progressivism. The University of Chicago gets to enjoy the fruits of its socialist labors after indocrinating the nation for a hundred years.
When drugs are used to strip the motivation from people, they will glady let the government take responsibility for their lives. It's all falling into place. GoGoBO.
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- 3 votes
#3 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:32 AM EDT{"commentId":8279795,"authorDomain":"LennyLester"}
alur, it takes some brass balls to say legalizing marijuana is an oppressive measure, while keeping it illegal helps us. LOL As if making pot legal will destroy the country. How much do you know about the opium/China thing? Is this something you studied extensively, or something you heard about?
Are you familiar with why cannabis was made illegal to begin with? Indoctrinating the nation. LMAO Save us from ourselves...be our nanny...That's the American way? i think you have been allured by the shiny government-sponsored lies.
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- 22 votes
{"commentId":8279808,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
Speaking of indoctrination, they sure got you 'educated' don't they?
You do know the such luminaries in our own history were growers and tokers right? Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and others...
Just for 'historical record'...it used to take 300+ acres of cannabis's cousin 'hemp' to make the rigging's and sails for sailing ships during the colonial and revolutionary days not to mention that 'clothes' were made of hemp, see it is stronger than 'cotton'...of course this was before Big Pharma, the Petro companies, and 'cotton' conglomerates helped to 'criminalize' it. And now of course the cops, lawyers, judges, and 'prison industries' keep it criminalized just to make a buck...
Clipped to the Alternative Health and Wellness, California Issues, and Marijuana News groups...
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- 21 votes
{"commentId":8279889,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
Alur,
In the US until the international treaty against Opium was signed in about 1906 it was believed to be a right under the US constitution to ingest anything you wanted. This treaty did not out law drugs here just allowed for the first regulations of drugs. Marijuana was legal for anything until 1933 when prohibition was over tuned and then it became an illegal substance.
On a final note Alur judging from what you write I would believe you have NO knowledge of what you are talking about and in your rant you have mixed apples and oranges.
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- 15 votes
{"commentId":8280216,"authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
The skunk-like smell of marijuana
If only skunks smelled that good.
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- 14 votes
{"commentId":8280285,"authorDomain":"alur7"}
What has changed from a society that wouldn't tolerate drug use to a society that does in a short span of 30 years? I would say there is a great deal of indoctrination from the media and schools. It's an old argument, but I hope your heart surgeon isn't a pot smoker. Then again, those who perform at optimum levels aren't pot users, so we probably don't have to worry about that.
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{"commentId":8280318,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
I hope your heart surgeon isn't a pot smoker.
How do you know he's not already?
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- 13 votes
{"commentId":8280345,"authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
When drugs are used to strip the motivation from people
First, pot is a plant and second, I do my best work when I am stoned. detail, detail, detail...LOL
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- 14 votes
{"commentId":8280378,"authorDomain":"supperfood"}
Alur 100's of millions of Americans smoked MJ. How many families have been destroyed because of this. Look at the history of Alcohol and what it does to Americans. Every family of Native American in their reserves, and white families in the US and Canada have suffered from alcoholism. Yes Opium helped destroy China. But MJ is not destroying America. Rampant consumerism, unfettered free market, and arrogant values based of the dollar are destroying America.
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- 18 votes
{"commentId":8280383,"authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
What has changed from a society that wouldn't tolerate drug use to a society that does in a short span of 30 years?
we got stoned ;) ever heard of the 60's??
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- 13 votes
{"commentId":8280389,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
I do my best work when I am stoned
I know you didn't, hahahahaha, ohhh my stomach
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":8280409,"authorDomain":"alur7"}
Lenny Lester "LMAO Save us from ourselves...be our nanny" A bit hypocritical noting that CA was one of the first to ban cigarette smoking in restaurants. Which way do you want it?
JACK DEATH A bit judgemental? Why not debate instead of attacking the debater?
Bob Jones-1211422 You can't justify one bad action because there are others. The effects of alcohol and cigarettes that a legal don't justify adding more offerings to the weak brained.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":8280484,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
half the nation has said they have tried pot
according to alur it is better to lock them all up.and. make them lose their scolarships
that would be better for them an society.
and of course al cohol isnt a drug and should stay legal.
The effects of alcohol and cigarettes that a legal don't justify adding more offerings to the weak brained.
thats the point they dont have to be offered, people have been smokign it for 5000 years.. we just need to quit throwing them in jail.. or should we start jailing alcohol and cig smokers..
reqally by that lack of logic we should...if they are as bad as pot.. shouldnt we make all drugs illegal.
it isnt right to keep some just for tradition if they are destroying american and keeping the weak brained opressed.
do you drink calfiene?
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- 11 votes
{"commentId":8280540,"authorDomain":"tpuranen"}
cigarettes impair the health of the smoker and those around you, whereas there has been no real connection between lung disease and marijuana use, especially if you use a vaporizor, which most clubs in san francisco allow, since it doesn't produce any smoke whatsoever. The developments of marijuana laws and its public perception are some of the most hypocritical and ignorant in american history.
The very fact that hemp is a sustainable substance that can be use extensively to fight deforestation by using it as a source of paper and a substitute wood is one of the most impressive uses that the plant provides. You don't need harmful chemicals to bleach it, and oils and plastics derived from it have proven to be both extremely durable and healthy as help contains some of the most vital oils and amino acids to your life.
How can anyone who believes alcohol should be legal believe that marijuana should be illegal?
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- 15 votes
{"commentId":8280588,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
"How can anyone who believes alcohol should be legal believe that marijuana should be illegal?"
Simple selective ignorance....
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{"commentId":8280637,"authorDomain":"wude121"}
China had a hard lesson when opium was imposed on it by the British in the 19th century. It destroyed the Chinese for 100 years.
Are you really comparing the two because they get you high. Heroin is very addicting, but cannabis is somewhat semi addicting. Yep mixed bag of apples and oranges.
But soon the trial lawyers will start missing the fees for possession cases, the courts for the fines, and the local authority's for confiscation and seizure laws.
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- 6 votes
{"commentId":8280687,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
But soon the trial lawyers will start missing the fees for possession cases, the courts for the fines, and the local authority's for confiscation and seizure laws.
Wude121,
I would not worry about those things because just like alcohol, driving, working and many other things you cannot be under the influence.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":8280802,"authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
The effects of alcohol and cigarettes that a legal don't justify adding more offerings to the weak brained.
as you said to Mr. Death, why not debate instead of attacking. you, sir/madam, started it and are feeding the attack with insults to us all.
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- 7 votes
{"commentId":8280928,"authorDomain":"whatsthetruth52"}
This article is talking about the financial benefits of decriminalizing marijuana. There are several things to consider. The freeing up of money spent on the failed war on drugs. The increase of money from taxes. The decrease of violence on the street due to less black market. Several very positive things. The biggest benefit would be the lessening of dependence on foreign oil. There are a plethora of things that can be made from hemp and hemp oil that will not require fossil fuels. Like plastic and fuel itself. We are banning the production of a wonder plant because of the big corporations. As for heroin problem I would remind everyone that Bayer company was one of the first to introduce heroin into the US as a miracle drug that would cure morphine addiction.
Unfortunately this will not happen anytime soon. Even though the right talks a good game about small government and freedom and keeping government out of our lives. They will be the first to decry the moral decay because of this innocent plant. They were the ones to invent "reefer madness". They are the ones that are in the pocket of big business that will not allow this to pass. They will talk about what is "good" for us. Surprisingly though they don't like that phrase when the left talk about universal health care, comes back to being in the pocket of big business.
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- 12 votes
{"commentId":8281064,"authorDomain":"neal242"}
I'll only say this once. Keeping marijuana illegal is good only in the fact that without marijuana illegal the other harder drugs would never have enough funding because they are so marginal. On that matter, without the funding to fight drugs our economy would implode because it requires the injection of that illegal money into wall street to keep the faux propped up. Therefore, legalization would be detrimental to the economy because drug prices would go down and high power wall street bankers and politicians would lose millions.
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{"commentId":8281098,"authorDomain":"wude121"}
Jack true if you cannot control your cravings then they have a problem. I think IMO mental evaluation should be administered before ever any attempt to induce a controlled substance. Like they say mind over matter. For me I gave up alcohol years ago an went back to the good stuff, and guess what I don't use corrective lenses any more, my B P in back to normal, and above all, no hangover. Ahh the sex is terrific.
I'm thinking of the shot to help me quit the cigs.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":8281423,"authorDomain":"jeremyh"}
@alur
Putting pot in the same category as opium and other addictive narcotics is a mistake that needs to stop being made. It's non-addictive, and safer than either alcohol and cigarettes, with are both legal, regulated and taxed.
It's also a specious argument to say that marijuana is a gateway, or somehow funds the market for harder drugs. Pot is only a gateway drug in that when you have to purchase it on a street corner, that same dealer may have heroin or coke. In contrast, if it were for sale alongside alcohol and cigarettes it wouldn't in the same supply chain as narcotics.
{"commentId":8281423,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jeremyh"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":8281498,"authorDomain":"hhabilis"}
Then again, those who perform at optimum levels aren't pot users
Why don't you tell Michael Phelps that, alur?
{"commentId":8281498,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"hhabilis"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":8281559,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
Why don't you tell Michael Phelps that, alur?
Ha ha, that's a sweet f-ing question
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- 8 votes
{"commentId":8281602,"authorDomain":"alur7"}
JoulesBeef "according to alur it is better to lock them all up and make them lose their scolarships" wow, I said that? I did not.
Relying on pot taxes is an indicator of the sorry state we are in. I understand the good effects of pot, geez, some of the greatest music in the world was composed due to pot smoking, but so are the best records in baseball due to steroids. When drugs are accepted for athletes, that is ban drug testing on athletes, then I will be glad to support pot smokers in CA, even with the inevidable weight gain, hehe.
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{"commentId":8281660,"authorDomain":"alur7"}
hhabilis Do you know something that we don't? I don't think Phelps was smoking pot while performing, or is pot not one of the drugs that shows up in the drug test in the Olympics?
{"commentId":8281660,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"alur7"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":8281702,"authorDomain":"supperfood"}
Alur If we do what you want we will ban food, because in mouths of weak minded people it is dangerous. Your argument is mute, and excuse me silly.
{"commentId":8281702,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"supperfood"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":8281754,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
Alur,
I do not think CA would be relying on pot taxes but, I am sure they would consider them as revenue enhancing.
I have never heard marijuana called a performance enhancing drug for sports. I would say that it is a mind enhancing substance though.
{"commentId":8281754,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":8281800,"authorDomain":"wude121"}
Relying on pot taxes is an indicator of the sorry state we are in
Why is that? Is it not that we are free to choose. But when the state wants the responsibility of my right to choose.
Its a freedom issue here nothing else.
{"commentId":8281800,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"wude121"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":8281908,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
Do you know something that we don't?
It looked like he knew how to hit that bong
{"commentId":8281908,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8281921,"authorDomain":"hhabilis"}
alur, I rather doubt Phelps was "smoking pot while performing" since water tends to put a damper on the process.
However, he is a user, and your statement was: "those who perform at optimum levels aren't pot users." His performance is prima facie evidence that pot users are, in fact, capable of performing at optimum levels. Whether anyone is capable of optimum performance while smoking pot is an entirely different issue.
{"commentId":8281921,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"hhabilis"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8281938,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
I have never heard marijuana called a performance enhancing drug for sports
Yeah, i believe sitting is the preference
{"commentId":8281938,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8281993,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
Sexual active is just fine.
{"commentId":8281993,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8282024,"authorDomain":"wude121"}
Yeah, i believe sitting is the preference
Devoh why did you have to bring Pink Floyd in to this.
But sitting siestas are the best for meditation.
{"commentId":8282024,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"wude121"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8282609,"authorDomain":"alur7"}
Bob Jones-1211422 if my argument is weak, then why all of the fuss? I do like your ideas about the other issues in our society, ie rampant consumerism although I think that it is more tied to people buying stuff before they can pay for it. Creating a market place for exchange of goods made the middle class live like kings but credit cards were a major cause of the recent collapse.
{"commentId":8282609,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"alur7"}
{"commentId":8282737,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
And per the code of honor considered 'off topic' thus a violation...
...lets not stray from the topic of the article which is CA and MJ...no more attempts at distraction now. :)
{"commentId":8282737,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8284157,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
alur,
Banning Cigarette smoking in restaurants is not about the smokers health, it is about the health of those sitting around the smoker. A smoker has no right to attack me with their nasty plumes of cancer.
{"commentId":8284157,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8286265,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
Devoh why did you have to bring Pink Floyd in to this.
wude, it's not a party if the pink's not there
{"commentId":8286265,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8288251,"authorDomain":"wude121"}
wude, it's not a party if the pink's not there
...lets not stray from the topic of the article which is CA and MJ
I know.'), dc Foyd is definitly MJ subject matter.
{"commentId":8288251,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"wude121"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8288727,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
wude, I wasn't talking about the 'pink'...I am a Floyd fan myself, MJ and PF go together, it's a natural combination...
No, I was actually referring to someone else that was trying to take the discussion into another topic direction altogether...(you know when someone can't support their own positions they do the '3 D's'...deny, deflect, distract....)
{"commentId":8288727,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8289552,"authorDomain":"zaphrod"}
One can buy or sell anything in the good ole us...wait until the advertising agencies hit (pun intended) this product...one day somebody will wake up and discover the giant ponzi scheme between big business and the advertising (you will be happy when you buy this product...)agencies...
{"commentId":8289552,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"zaphrod"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8291225,"authorDomain":"wude121"}
it's a natural combination...
I know I was just funning with ya.
dc ever did the Wizard of Oz to Dark Side of the Moon trick?
{"commentId":8291225,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"wude121"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8291251,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
lololololol I'm not saying any more about THAT!!!....I know nothing....:)
{"commentId":8291251,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8292438,"authorDomain":"wude121"}
LAO I know nuthin ether.
{"commentId":8292438,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"wude121"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8293558,"authorDomain":"victoriarwood"}
Remember this ad?
"No stems, no seeds that you don't need ... Alcapulco Gold is (sound of Tommy Chong doing a toke) Bad A$$ Weed!"
{"commentId":8293558,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"victoriarwood"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8279789,"authorDomain":"texasvanity"}
Man, that looks like some good wacky green in that photo. Here in Texas they've taken steps to decriminalize weed. If a cop catches you with less than a quarter ounce, it's a ticket.
All states should follow California's lead immediately. Especially the states hardest hit by this economy, which is practically all of us.
{"commentId":8279789,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"texasvanity"}
- 10 votes
#4 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:44 AM EDT{"commentId":8279855,"authorDomain":"bker1492"}
Medical Marijuana to fight Insomnia! Heck, Beer already does that.
{"commentId":8279855,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"bker1492"}
- 1 vote
#5 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:51 AM EDT{"commentId":8279928,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
Alcohol is a stimulant at first and then a depressant and in heavy users when removed in can cause withdrawals shakes, insomnia ect.
{"commentId":8279928,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8280241,"authorDomain":"dvrotolo"}
Bingo Jack to say nothing of liver damage....pickeling the brain....pot will not do that.....it is if anything an all purpose thing ....like aspirin......but aspirin gives you bleeding ulcers...not pot ........the funny thing is the nay sayers use prescripts and those are the real killers. You also can not do an over dose ...or die from pot.... suicide is the last thing you think of with pot.
{"commentId":8280241,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"dvrotolo"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":8280288,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
Zanyzazu there is nothing like it Jesus doesn’t even work any ways near as good.
{"commentId":8280288,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8280461,"authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
Jesus doesn’t even work any ways near as good.
Pot is definitely a spiritual experience ;D
{"commentId":8280461,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8281266,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
alcohol withdrawals are not only unpleasant, but they can kill you. google alcoholic withdrawal seizures, and see how dangerous and common they are....
{"commentId":8281266,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8281328,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
alcohol withdrawals are not only unpleasant, but they can kill you.
Yes ma'am! And i've never heard of weed poisoning either, come to think about it
{"commentId":8281328,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":8284092,"authorDomain":"JohnStark"}
Don't forget Carl Sagan and that world snowboarding champion from Canada and any other soul brave enough to stand up and admit, "Yes, I inhale," when you talk about all those sub-optimum performers. And probably a million or more others all just too afraid of losing it all if they admitted it. And another 20 or 30 million more who are productive citizens, go to work and put in a full day every day and come home and show their kids alot more love then any alcholic ever did.
"How's the weather outside today Ollie?"
"Not too bad..."
Phelps was a chump and a coward.
{"commentId":8284092,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"JohnStark"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8286324,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
Phelps was a chump and a coward
He may have smoked a lil' weed John Stark, but he was also on cereal boxes too. Don't forget that part! And it's funny to me how you will call someone a chump and a coward sitting at your computer. That's coward
{"commentId":8286324,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8279901,"authorDomain":"moneyuburn"}
California is at a crossroads in US history .This will stop mafia drug wars in Mexico and the rest of South America. Legal pot would help every state to generate revenue by taxing it 100% Also, stop people from going to prison for having some pot. It might take a few years but we will see new laws enacted in the near future. About time.
{"commentId":8279901,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"moneyuburn"}
- 15 votes
#6 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:56 AM EDT{"commentId":8302155,"authorDomain":"philip-c26"}
If you tax it 100% then it will go back to the black market where it will be cheaper to obtain. Think rationally please.
{"commentId":8302155,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"philip-c26"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":8279973,"authorDomain":"Brad-Leclerc"}
It's definitely taking a good chunk of the black-market and sifting it into productive/safe/taxable business models, which is pretty much awesome for everyone other than the section of the black market that thrives by exploiting people to their own ends knowing their "customers" have no legal recourse.
It would be better by FAR if there were more federal acceptance of such things, but I suppose Obama's "let's leave the state alone for a while" comments will have to do for now...though it doesn't realy scream "legal stability".
That's the one nice thing about the Canadian marijuana program...it's federal. If anything the legal trouble is backwards, with several provinces fighting against legal ways of making the marijuana available to people that are in the program, but at least the feds don't typically cause too much trouble.....typically...
{"commentId":8279973,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"Brad-Leclerc"}
- 8 votes
#7 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:03 PM EDT{"commentId":8280034,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}
California is going Down. Might as well numb as much of that as possible...the thinking goes...
The trouble with many pot-people is that they're so willing to ascribe every good thing under the sun to a weed, while denying the harm. I'm no stranger to 'the culture of pot', so I know this mindset is prevalent and has been for decades. It's a mindset tailor-made for Californians who look at taxation in the same way.
The best idea anyone had was to make it legal to grow for private consumption. A weed selling for $400-600 per ounce is nonsense. It does NOT take so-called experts to grow this weed. 1 good book on the subject is All one needs to know. These shops remind me of Starbucks, where over-priced coffees mixed with candy-flavors are sold.
{"commentId":8280034,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}
- 2 votes
#8 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:09 PM EDT{"commentId":8280224,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
California is going Down
No, there getting high, bud
{"commentId":8280224,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8289431,"authorDomain":"jefm"}
Goin' down, but they're going to have a good time doing it.
{"commentId":8289431,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jefm"}
{"commentId":8280150,"authorDomain":"dvrotolo"}
Legalize pot...yep you heard me....do it now....it is costing so much money....In the 70's my son and I took blankets , flour, sugar, coffee, salt. cereal and canned goods to the Indians in Mendecino.....those Indians now live in Mansions.....in fact a couple of them own a bar here in Arizona. I read in the story that water is used...well hell yes it is...but all water will flow no matter if it is used to water pot or beans....If it is not used...it is not saved...it flows on out and is gone.....into rivers ...the ocean...That reminds me...when I was young and had kids and lived in Pennsylvania.....there was a drought ...or so they said...and we went to the springs to get jugs of drinking water...because it was fresh and tasted so good...our faucet water tasted of suphur....and while there filling the jugs we washed the car....and a woman had a fit.....my husband said to her....if I use it to wash the car....it still soaks into the earth...and if I don't it soakes into the earth....so what's the differnce.....of course that is true.....there is no facet to turn off......
As for the environmnet...what is that all about ???? The greener we keep this earth no matter what we grow we are preserving our ozone...and our land...with nitrogen and nutrients ...but they would rather see it all developed and made into concrete villages for profit. The indians actually used fish remains for fertilizer ...bones...skin...tails fins...after they ate the damn fish...so ?????????????
For many many reasons pot should be legalized.
{"commentId":8280150,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"dvrotolo"}
- 9 votes
#9 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:20 PM EDT{"commentId":8280207,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
I heard that, Zanyzazu. I'm with ya
{"commentId":8280207,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8281345,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
+1
{"commentId":8281345,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8280258,"authorDomain":"sionxxii"}
Does economic stress qualify for a prescription???
{"commentId":8280258,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"sionxxii"}
- 7 votes
#10 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:31 PM EDT{"commentId":8280358,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
Does economic stress qualify for a prescription???
If so, then me first!
{"commentId":8280358,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":8280492,"authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
I can tell you it is a good remedy for stress, the best there is.
{"commentId":8280492,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8281058,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
it is a good remedy for stress
ha, you got that right. Stress-free, is the way to be
{"commentId":8281058,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8289439,"authorDomain":"jefm"}
Seems like it might also cause economic stress if you can't affford it.
{"commentId":8289439,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jefm"}
{"commentId":8280627,"authorDomain":"eric-rinderknecht"}
This is just another reason why universal health care is a bad idea. I should not have to pay for stoned, dope-headed idiots with chronic disease. They'll spend $400 bucks a week on weed but not get health insurance. CA will get exactly what it deserves.
{"commentId":8280627,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"eric-rinderknecht"}
- 3 votes
#11 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:04 PM EDT{"commentId":8280718,"authorDomain":"evilguest"}
"I'm just a Little Black Rain Cloud
Hovering under the honey tree
I'm only a Little Black Rain Cloud
Pay no attention to little me"
{"commentId":8280718,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"evilguest"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8280735,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
CA will get exactly what it deserves.
Yeah, a bunch of happy, care-free, non-violent citizens
{"commentId":8280735,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 12 votes
{"commentId":8280801,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
E+C,
If it is legalized it will not cost $400 an ounce besides there are so many more things that cause chronic health problems. Lets use food as an example or should I say bad eating habits or none or little physical exercise ect. What do you think about the mental problems of those caught in religious cults won’t they cost us too should we outlaw the Bible, Koran, Scientology ect?
{"commentId":8280801,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":8280943,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}
legalized weed will cost exactly what the market will bear. We have a looong term market in place, prices reflecting its illegality, in part, but also reflecting every last dollar growers and sellers can git fer it.
These folks who make their living off of pot are no more altruistic than your average convenience store owner. It's in their benefit to keep this weed "mysterious", because if folks knew how EASY it was to produce themselves, $400 an ounce would be laughed at.
{"commentId":8280943,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8280968,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
should we outlaw the Bible
Why not? It's man made
{"commentId":8280968,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8281672,"authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
E + C
This is just another reason why universal health care is a bad idea. I should not have to pay for stoned, dope-headed idiots with chronic disease. They'll spend $400 bucks a week on weed but not get health insurance. CA will get exactly what it deserves.
Most of us pay taxes, work and have good heath because we eat better. I promise you I have never met a fat stoner. Anyone?
{"commentId":8281672,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8282372,"authorDomain":"eric-rinderknecht"}
Keep on smokin' CA; I heard the CA IOU paper rolls and burns real nice.
{"commentId":8282372,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"eric-rinderknecht"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":8283870,"authorDomain":"neal242"}
Keep on smokin' CA; I heard the CA IOU paper rolls and burns real nice.
Belittling and ignorant. I don't normally contemplate ignoring people but...
{"commentId":8283870,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"neal242"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8280838,"authorDomain":"danields"}
I take 17 legal medications for Parkinson's and combat and coal mine injuries.
Each comes with a warning list that folded in two is longer than I am tall -- 6'1". They are so poisonous that often it takes several attempts to keep them down -- THC gel-caps are useless under these circumstances.
I wish Big Brother Government and their minions would have been as concerned about our deployments and work conditions as they are about my health and THC consumption.
Idiots all.
That said, I live in Oregon which I think has a workable model: legal medical use and decriminalized personal use and growth.
Just an old man's thoughts on the topic.
Thank you for the seed and consideration,
{"commentId":8280838,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"danields"}
- 15 votes
#12 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:19 PM EDT{"commentId":8280956,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
JubalUSA,
I lived in Oregon for 7 years it is a fairly progressive state. I am sorry you have so many physical problems. I still have friends there with chronic medical problems that only marijuana relieves some of the anguish. I wish you all the best.
One personal question where at in Oregon? I lived on the coast Tillamook a cheeses place.
{"commentId":8280956,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8281157,"authorDomain":"danields"}
Eugene, in an historical University neighborhood.
Thank you for the concern.
I man-up to the choices I've made in life; and as such hold most professional politicians with utter contempt because of their blatant contempt for our ability to make choices for ourselves; but most of all for their contempt for our Constitution.
I would wish for no other life than the one I've lived and am delighted to have landed in such a beautiful place to spend my days with friends and family.
And yes the Tillamook cheese is wonderful.
bless,
{"commentId":8281157,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"danields"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":8281403,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
reading stuff like this renews my faith in humans! its so depressing to live under mental slavery. many people have been raised as mental slaves and have no desire for freedom as long as they can have their big mac with a double frappuccino before they go into wal mart to buy all the stuff that they never knew they wanted.....
thank you for being human, and not a civilian
{"commentId":8281403,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":8281667,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
oops, McDouble Frappuccino. my mistake....
{"commentId":8281667,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8281926,"authorDomain":"danields"}
:)
{"commentId":8281926,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"danields"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8280876,"authorDomain":"moneyuburn"}
I drink coffe ,I also like chocolate ,is it addicting ? Hell yea but i will never quit.Can I die if I have too much ? YES so what!!
{"commentId":8280876,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"moneyuburn"}
- 4 votes
#13 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:22 PM EDT{"commentId":8281013,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
Can I die if I have too much ?
But I've never heard of anyone actually getting "stoned to death'', except yours truly, I just don't see it happening
{"commentId":8281013,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8280979,"authorDomain":"moneyuburn"}
The people who made it illegal are the same people who preach to us and tell us how to live our lives.If you don't follow you go to jail or Die if YOU live in the Middle East.
I love AMERICA
America is all about change and life goes on.
{"commentId":8280979,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"moneyuburn"}
- 4 votes
#14 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:30 PM EDT{"commentId":8281449,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
lets not be too quick to put down the middle east. that is where ganja originated, the hindu kush region. the midle east has an extensive histry of marijuana. contrary to popular belief, the entire middle east arent muslim terrorists who want to eat your babies heart....
{"commentId":8281449,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8281631,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
the entire middle east arent muslim terrorists who want to eat your babies heart....
hahaha, i'm laughing my butt off right now tallbird tits. Eat your babies heart, hahaha
{"commentId":8281631,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8282068,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
deleted cuz I went a little off topic. will save this one for another time/place.....
{"commentId":8282068,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8281121,"authorDomain":"js7153"}
This shouldn't even be news. If it weren't for our corrupt politicos and the dirtballs who own them (the power boys who control all of big business, including "illegal drugs"), there would be no ludicrous, endless "drug war", and substances like marijuana would have been commercialized zed and taxed long ago, all over the country.
{"commentId":8281121,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"js7153"}
- 7 votes
#15 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:40 PM EDT{"commentId":8281210,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
substances like marijuana
Would you consider lettuce, or a tomato, a substance also?
{"commentId":8281210,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8281346,"authorDomain":"js7153"}
Don't give big business any ideas, or we'll be "jonesing" for tomatos soon enough...
{"commentId":8281346,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"js7153"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":8281490,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
anything that is made of physical matter can be considered a substance. its not a negative word, but it has been given a negative connotation thanks to the drug czars. kind of like how people misunderstand the word "madrasa" and think that anybody who went to a madrasa is a terrorist. ignorance isnt a words fault
{"commentId":8281490,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":8281689,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
we'll be "jonesing" for tomatos soon enough
For some odd reason, i just got the munchies for a BLT!
{"commentId":8281689,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8281737,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
anything that is made of physical matter can be considered a substance
I guess I was thinking in terms of a 'controlled' substance
{"commentId":8281737,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8281939,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
gotcha. no worries. although u have to admit that even the term controlled substance is pretty hilarious seeing how our government has no control over any substance.
{"commentId":8281939,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8281169,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
Straight reality is for people who have never seen anything else. Oh So Sad.
{"commentId":8281169,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 3 votes
#16 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT{"commentId":8281985,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
the other side(s). normal people arent savvy to it, but all whom we would consider genius(carl sagan,steven hawking, & their ilk) speak of such things with regularity. LittleSallyDriver can show u the truth when u drop her on your tongue.
{"commentId":8281985,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8285774,"authorDomain":"dvrotolo"}
Jack Death....just for you.........<ZZZZZ>~~ here's lookin at you kid....
{"commentId":8285774,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"dvrotolo"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":8281186,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
ummm, china wasnt destroyed...it remains a superpower to this day. where are you getting these facts from?
{"commentId":8281186,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 5 votes
#17 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:44 PM EDT{"commentId":8281247,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
it remains a superpower to this day
Yep, last I heard, it was one of the biggest
{"commentId":8281247,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":8281500,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
so big that it actually owns the united states.....
{"commentId":8281500,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":8281847,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
so big that it actually owns the united states.....
What, Is obama chinese now?
{"commentId":8281847,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":8284031,"authorDomain":"neal242"}
{"commentId":8286441,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
{"commentId":8281545,"authorDomain":"breezerb06"}
In one paragraph of this article I found a string of mistruths and lies about the dangers of this plant:
|"The plant's prominence does not come without costs, say some critics. Marijuana plantations in remote forests cause severe environmental damage."| - This is total BS. No way could you compare REAL enviromental damage such as clear cutting in our forests or the near total destruction of the Gulf marine life from upstream farms caused by pesticides and fertilizers courtesy of Monsanto and Dow among others to a plant that needs no chemical pesticides. The recent TV special on MSNBC tried to paint the pathetic picture of a few propane tanks and some black water hoses being left behind by mexican growers as evidence of enviromental damage. What a joke! Plus, you can't grow large scale enough on public lands to justify the false dangers that the authorities and media are trying to promote. If you're lucky you might be able to hide about 20 in trees and shrub but you won't be seeing an acre of neatly lined rows. It's playing the fear mongering card - Mexican Cartels are Ruining Our Beloved National Parks! Any idiot could see through this scare tactic.
|"Indoor grow houses in some towns put rentals beyond the reach of students and young families.| - I simply do not understand this statement. I would be led to believe that it is the cutthroat capitalist mentality that has put rentals beyond the reach of these people and not a secret indoor garden somewhere. Where are the facts to support this ridiculous statement?
|"Rural counties with declining economies cannot attract new businesses because the available work force is caught up in the pot industry."| - Oh come on, there are a MILLIONS of people out of work. If these rural counties were pressed to find able workers all they have to do is make a call out to the nearest town or city and they would have more than enough jobseekers to find their vacant positions.
|"Authorities link the drug to violent crime in otherwise quiet small towns."| - Once again, base it with facts. I'm sick of the AP and every other major news organization spouting this dubious information without mentioning statistics or any mere FACT. This is an example of modern yellow journalism and it's intent - which is to misinform and to ultimately confuse you. To be honest, the rising crime is more due to rampant unemployment, devastated property values, and the availability of alcohol and hard drugs (meth, coke, etc.) to bored young kids living in small towns with little or nothing to do. If they were getting stoned, I guarantee that would not be causing "violent" crimes.
This is crap journalism if you make these statements without backing them up. It is time to debunk these lies and start looking at the situation thru a clear lens. But it starts with you Mr. Wohlson and all other "ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITERS".
{"commentId":8281545,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"breezerb06"}
- 15 votes
#18 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:12 PM EDT{"commentId":8281638,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
sadly a majority of americans have no clue what monsanto is. dont forget that the french documentary "Le monde salon monsanto" which was shown all over europe(which has banned many monsanto products because they are unsafe) was basically banned from being shown in the usa because of the payoffs from monsanto to the gov, and the close ties between the 2. and even sadder yet is the fact that most people will never bother to educate themselves on what they consume, the problems with trademarked genetics cross pollinating native plants, and i think the saddest part of all is that even if the information was right in front of most americans faces they would deny it as conspiracy theory.
{"commentId":8281638,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":8282003,"authorDomain":"thadeau"}
even when it gets to the point where the whole worlds food supply is controlled by one company people will still deny the truth.
{"commentId":8282003,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"thadeau"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8282077,"authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
Great post Breezer!
Tallbird, I saw it and have told everyone I know to watch it. We recorded it and have played it for family and frieds.
Shocking and terribly scary! One company owns ALL the seed companies? How did we let THAT happen.
{"commentId":8282077,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"celiaarm"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8283260,"authorDomain":"mysticfarm"}
50 years of smoking pot and I do not have Swiss cheese brain" ...many of you are to young to remember ...[now my spelling might be a little off] PARAQUAT....that's how one company got all the seeds.............
{"commentId":8283260,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"mysticfarm"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8283287,"authorDomain":"mysticfarm"}
Funny thing just happened...as I hit posted..I was asked to "Sign In" although I was signed in and then when I did that I was routed to main sign in page for the second time..I do not believe in coincidence...
{"commentId":8283287,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"mysticfarm"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":8284195,"authorDomain":"JohnStark"}
The plant's prominence does not come without costs, say some critics. Marijuana plantations in remote forests cause severe environmental damage
Only in CA could growing plants be harmful to the environment. In CA the overwhelming mentality is pretty much anything at ALL that humans do is harmful to the enviroment. They feel so strongly about it that if we're lucky, in some short time in the future, they will all stop eating because it harms the planet and kindly compost themselves shortly after.
{"commentId":8284195,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"JohnStark"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8284318,"authorDomain":"JohnStark"}
|"Rural counties with declining economies cannot attract new businesses because the available work force is caught up in the pot industry."| - Oh come on, there are a MILLIONS of people out of work. If these rural counties were pressed to find able workers all they have to do is make a call out to the nearest town or city and they would have more than enough jobseekers to find their vacant positions.
Not to mention the fact that if all the available workforce has good paying pot related jobs already, why the hell would they need to attract new business or @!$%# about not having enough low paying jobs around? They'd be one of the few 100% employment places left on Earth. And if I were a Subway owner I'd damn sure find a way to open up in THAT community. I could probably pay my employees double time for all the business I'd do. I do find it shocking though that a "trimmer" can make $40 an hour... I thought we had illegal invaders for that. Such honest hard working people that they can be trusted with the grapes but not the weeds... hmm.
How do you spell propaganda?
{"commentId":8284318,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"JohnStark"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":8281627,"authorDomain":"breezerb06"}
In one paragraph of this article I found a string of mistruths and lies about the dangers of this plant:
|"The plant's prominence does not come without costs, say some critics. Marijuana plantations in remote forests cause severe environmental damage."| - This is total BS. No way could you compare REAL enviromental damage such as clear cutting in our forests or the near total destruction of the Gulf marine life from upstream farms caused by pesticides and fertilizers courtesy of Monsanto and Dow among others to a plant that needs no chemical pesticides. The recent TV special on MSNBC tried to paint the pathetic picture of a few propane tanks and some black water hoses being left behind by mexican growers as evidence of enviromental damage. What a joke! Plus, you can't grow large scale enough on public lands to justify the false dangers that the authorities and media are trying to promote. If you're lucky you might be able to hide about 20 in trees and shrub but you won't be seeing an acre of neatly lined rows. It's playing the fear mongering card - Mexican Cartels are Ruining Our Beloved National Parks! Any idiot could see through this scare tactic.
|"Indoor grow houses in some towns put rentals beyond the reach of students and young families.| - I simply do not understand this statement. I would be led to believe that it is the cutthroat capitalist mentality that has put rentals beyond the reach of these people and not a secret indoor garden somewhere. Where are the facts to support this ridiculous statement?
|"Rural counties with declining economies cannot attract new businesses because the available work force is caught up in the pot industry."| - Oh come on, there are a MILLIONS of people out of work. If these rural counties were pressed to find able workers all they have to do is make a call out to the nearest town or city and they would have more than enough jobseekers to find their vacant positions.
|"Authorities link the drug to violent crime in otherwise quiet small towns."| - Once again, base it with facts. I'm sick of the AP and every other major news organization spouting this dubious information without mentioning statistics or any mere FACT. This is an example of modern yellow journalism and it's intent - which is to misinform and to ultimately confuse you. To be honest, the rising crime is more due to rampant unemployment, devastated property values, and the availability of alcohol and hard drugs (meth, coke, etc.) to bored young kids living in small towns with little or nothing to do. If they were getting stoned, I guarantee that would not be causing "violent" crimes.
This is crap journalism if you make these statements without backing them up. It is time to debunk these lies and start looking at the situation thru a clear lens. But it starts with you Mr. Wohlson and all other "ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITERS".
{"commentId":8281627,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"breezerb06"}
- 2 votes
#19 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:18 PM EDT{"commentId":8281716,"authorDomain":"hoopdedoop"}
I have a problem with some of the supposed criticisms of marijuana mentioned in the article:
"Marijuana plantations in remote forests cause severe environmental damage." Wait. MJ is a weed, right? Just what environmental damage is extraordinary? Is it worse than growing corn, lettuce, or other crops? Doesn't sound right to me, that it would be SO much worse than any other crop.
"Indoor grow houses in some towns put rentals beyond the reach of students and young families." What? You're saying that there are so many people renting houses for growing, that there is now a shortage of rental houses? That doesn't sound right to me, either. Use some common sense. How many houses are we talking about?
"Rural counties with declining economies cannot attract new businesses because the available work force is caught up in the pot industry." Umm, wait a minute. Let's do the math. You're saying that now there is no more unemployment because there are more jobs than people? Cool! I don't see this as any sort of problem.
"Authorities link the drug to violent crime in otherwise quiet small towns." What? What violent crime? What is it about MJ that would incite violence? C'mon, there needs to be a burden of proof to substantiate that claim.
Most of the criticisms spouted against marijuana have absolutely no merit whatsoever.
The only one that is real, is that people who partake of marijuana 'tend' to have less motivation. I'll buy that one. And even this is not really that bad at all. Alcohol is completely legal (I know, age requirements) but you don't see everyone getting drunk. Marijuana would be the same way-- not everyone would partake. So what's the big deal? Legalize it, and then we can move on to something that really matters.
{"commentId":8281716,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"hoopdedoop"}
- 9 votes
#20 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:24 PM EDT{"commentId":8281995,"authorDomain":"danields"}
Well said.
{"commentId":8281995,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"danields"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":8281732,"authorDomain":"moneyuburn"}
Who gets all the money from the endless war on drugs?
I think Mexico gets some from us.
It would be nice to stop giving money to other countries.
{"commentId":8281732,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"moneyuburn"}
- 6 votes
#21 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:25 PM EDT{"commentId":8281764,"authorDomain":"breezerb06"}
In one paragraph of this article I found a string of mistruths and lies about the dangers of this plant:
|"The plant's prominence does not come without costs, say some critics. Marijuana plantations in remote forests cause severe environmental damage."| - This is total BS. No way could you compare REAL enviromental damage such as clear cutting in our forests or the near total destruction of the Gulf marine life from upstream farms caused by pesticides and fertilizers courtesy of Monsanto and Dow among others to a plant that needs no chemical pesticides. The recent TV special on MSNBC tried to paint the pathetic picture of a few propane tanks and some black water hoses being left behind by mexican growers as evidence of enviromental damage. What a joke! Plus, you can't grow large scale enough on public lands to justify the false dangers that the authorities and media are trying to promote. If you're lucky you might be able to hide about 20 in trees and shrub but you won't be seeing an acre of neatly lined rows. It's playing the fear mongering card - Mexican Cartels are Ruining Our Beloved National Parks! Any idiot could see through this scare tactic.
|"Indoor grow houses in some towns put rentals beyond the reach of students and young families.| - I simply do not understand this statement. I would be led to believe that it is the cutthroat capitalist mentality that has put rentals beyond the reach of these people and not a secret indoor garden somewhere. Where are the facts to support this ridiculous statement?
|"Rural counties with declining economies cannot attract new businesses because the available work force is caught up in the pot industry."| - Oh come on, there are a MILLIONS of people out of work. If these rural counties were pressed to find able workers all they have to do is make a call out to the nearest town or city and they would have more than enough jobseekers to find their vacant positions.
|"Authorities link the drug to violent crime in otherwise quiet small towns."| - Once again, base it with facts. I'm sick of the AP and every other major news organization spouting this dubious information without mentioning statistics or any mere FACT. This is an example of modern yellow journalism and it's intent - which is to misinform and to ultimately confuse you. To be honest, the rising crime is more due to rampant unemployment, devastated property values, and the availability of alcohol and hard drugs (meth, coke, etc.) to bored young kids living in small towns with little or nothing to do. If they were getting stoned, I guarantee that would not be causing "violent" crimes.
This is crap journalism if you make these statements without backing them up. It is time to debunk these lies and start looking at the situation thru a clear lens. But it starts with you Mr. Wohlson and all other "ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITERS".
{"commentId":8281764,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"breezerb06"}
- 3 votes
#22 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:27 PM EDT{"commentId":8281819,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
nice job breezerb
{"commentId":8281819,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":8281776,"authorDomain":"hoopdedoop"}
I have a problem with some of the supposed criticisms of marijuana mentioned in the article:
"Marijuana plantations in remote forests cause severe environmental damage." Wait. MJ is a weed, right? Just what environmental damage is extraordinary? Is it worse than growing corn, lettuce, or other crops? Doesn't sound right to me, that it would be SO much worse than any other crop.
"Indoor grow houses in some towns put rentals beyond the reach of students and young families." What? You're saying that there are so many people renting houses for growing, that there is now a shortage of rental houses? That doesn't sound right to me, either. Use some common sense. How many houses are we talking about?
"Rural counties with declining economies cannot attract new businesses because the available work force is caught up in the pot industry." Umm, wait a minute. Let's do the math. You're saying that now there is no more unemployment because there are more jobs than people? Cool! I don't see this as any sort of problem.
"Authorities link the drug to violent crime in otherwise quiet small towns." What? What violent crime? What is it about MJ that would incite violence? C'mon, there needs to be a burden of proof to substantiate that claim.
Most of the criticisms spouted against marijuana have absolutely no merit whatsoever.
The only one that is real, is that people who partake of marijuana 'tend' to have less motivation. I'll buy that one. And even this is not really that bad at all. Alcohol is completely legal (I know, age requirements) but you don't see everyone getting drunk. Marijuana would be the same way-- not everyone would partake. So what's the big deal? Legalize it, and then we can move on to something that really matters.
{"commentId":8281776,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"hoopdedoop"}
- 2 votes
#23 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:28 PM EDT{"commentId":8281890,"authorDomain":"hoopdedoop"}
BreezerB06, you and I are so on the same page...
{"commentId":8281890,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"hoopdedoop"}
- 2 votes
#24 - Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:36 PM EDT{"commentId":8281891,"authorDomain":"breezerb06"}
In one paragraph of this article I found a string of mistruths and lies about the dangers of this plant:
|"The plant's prominence does not come without costs, say some critics. Marijuana plantations in remote forests cause severe environmental damage."| - This is total BS. No way could you compare REAL enviromental damage such as clear cutting in our forests or the near total destruction of the Gulf marine life from upstream farms caused by pesticides and fertilizers courtesy of Monsanto and Dow among others to a plant that needs no chemical pesticides. The recent TV special on MSNBC tried to paint the pathetic picture of a few propane tanks and some black water hoses being left behind by mexican growers as evidence of enviromental damage. What a joke! Plus, you can't grow large scale enough on public lands to justify the false dangers that the authorities and media are trying to promote. If you're lucky you might be able to hide about 20 in trees and shrub but you won't be seeing an acre of neatly lined rows. It's playing the fear mongering card - Mexican Cartels are Ruining Our Beloved National Parks! Any idiot could see through this scare tactic.
|"Indoor grow houses in some towns put rentals beyond the reach of students and young families.| - I simply do not understand this statement. I would be led to believe that it is the cutthroat capitalist mentality that has put rentals beyond the reach of these people and not a secret indoor garden somewhere. Where are the facts to support this ridiculous statement?
|"Rural counties with declining economies cannot attract new businesses because the available work force is caught up in the pot industry."| - Oh come on, there are a MILLIONS of people out of work. If these rural counties were pressed to find able workers all they have to do is make a call out to the nearest town or city and they would have more than enough jobseekers to find their vacant positions.
|"Authorities link the drug to violent crime in otherwise quiet small towns."| - Once again, base it with facts. I'm sick of the AP and every other major news organization spouting this dubious information without mentioning statistics or any mere FACT. This is an example of modern yellow journalism and it's intent - which is to misinform and to ultimately confuse you. To be honest, the rising crime is more due to rampant unemployment, devastated property values, and the availability of alcohol and hard drugs (meth, coke, etc.) to bored young kids living in small towns with little or nothing to do. If they were getting stoned, I guarantee that would not be causing "violent" crimes.
This is crap journalism if you make these statements without backing them up. It is time to debunk these lies and start looking at the situation thru a clear lens. But it starts with you Mr. Wohlson and all other "ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITERS".
{"commentId":8281891,"threadId":"629570","contentId":"3036971","authorDomain":"breezerb06"}
- 2 votes
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