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Answer Desk: How Goldman profits

Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:36 AM EDT
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msnbc.com News — By John W. Schoen, Senior Producer
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— While the U.S. banking industry struggles to right itself, Goldman Sachs has figured out how to turn financial turmoil into gold. Here’s how.

Why has Goldman Sachs prospered in this recession-depression and most other banks have fallen out or are in real trouble? … Perhaps that is where all of our money has gone. ...
-Alan M., Oregon

The answer is that Goldman Sachs isn’t really a bank. It’s a gigantic investment company that offers very limited conventional banking services — like lending money — on the side. Because it’s one of the few investment banks left standing, it has the highly profitable field of trading and underwriting pretty much to itself.

The bulk of the $2.7 billion profit Goldman reported for the second quarter, and roughly three-quarters of its revenues, came from trading — making bets buying stocks and bonds. Though it officially became a regulated bank holding company last year when the financial crisis hit, Goldman still behaves like a traditional investment bank. Since the financial meltdown wiped out most of its major rivals — including Lehman Bros. and Bear Stearns — it has picked up investment banking business from former customers of those defunct companies.

Goldman’s chief financial officer David Viniar put it succinctly when explaining the surge in profits: "There's less competition out there."

Because there are fewer players left, each trade also becomes potentially more profitable. Here's why. When an individual stock, for example, is heavily traded, the difference — or spread — between the price a buyer is willing to bid and what a seller is asking usually is very narrow. Traders make their money on that spread: A nickel here, a dime there and soon you’re talking real money.

In Goldman’s case, the trades that proved so profitable were in securities that few other traders wanted to make, including dodgy bonds. With fewer buyers and sellers, the spreads on these trades are much wider. If you bet right, your payoff is much bigger.

Goldman also entered the financial crisis with a relatively strong cash cushion which allows it to make riskier bets than banks that are still trying to rebuild their battered balance sheets. Companies such as Morgan Stanley that played it safe during the quarter paid the price in the lost opportunity to make trading profits.

Goldman also profited from another line of business that used to be fiercely competitive: underwriting stocks. When companies want to raise cash by selling stock, they need a big investment banker to move large piles of it quickly at a good price. In the second quarter, Goldman’s equity underwriting business generated record revenues of $736 million. Ironically, it was a quarter when many of those raising money by selling stocks were other banks.

It didn’t hurt that Goldman — like other banks — had access to extremely cheap money, thanks to the Fed’s policy of keeping short-term interest rates near zero. This is not a bad time to be a banker, despite the colossal losses incurred by the ones who made terrible loans and bought bonds backed by mortgages that people could never repay. Any time you're in the business of lending money, it helps to be able to get your hands on what is essentially free cash.

The taxpayer-funded TARP bailout money really didn’t help Goldman all that much. For one thing, the government was charging Goldman and other bailed-out banks 5 percent interest. The government also took warrants — essentially the right to buy some of each bailed-out bank’s stock. Goldman is now negotiating to buy those warrants back, which will cost it more money.

But that’s not the only reason for getting out from under the government’s bank welfare program. Like all big banks, Goldman executives chafed at the government's efforts to limit bonuses at banks that took TARP money.

With the TARP money repaid, and the restrictions lifted, Goldman set aside $6.65 billion in the second quarter for salaries, bonuses and benefits. That’s up almost 50 percent from last year and works out to an average of about $900,000 per employee.

The top traders who made all those winning bets can expect to take home tens of millions of dollars each.

What makes them toxic is that they are filled with bad loans. No one is really sure how many bad loans. Nor can they say just how bad those loans are.

Usually, this isn’t such a difficult problem for a banker. If you make a loan to a home buyer, you always run the risk that they won’t pay it back. When they reach the point where they can no longer pay, the bank takes the house and sells it, writes off any losses and everyone moves on.

There are billions of dollars of loans on the banking industry’s books that are still performing today but might not in the future if house prices keep falling and unemployment keeps rising. So how do you value those loans? As long as they’re performing, it’s not unreasonable to say they're worth 100 cents on the dollar. But if default rates start rising, it’s time to start marking them down to create a more realistic appraisal of the risk that more of them will go bad.

Ordinarily, when a bank has a loan that is at risk of default, it can seek a buyer who will buy it at a discount, gambling that the borrower eventually will pay it off in full.

But things change when you take those loans, mix them all into a big pot, slice the pot into pieces and sell the pieces to other banks. The resulting bonds may be backed by hundreds of mortgages — each with its own risk of defaulting. To make things even more complicated, mix some car loans, student loans and home equity loans into the pot before you slice it.

There is simply no way to know which loans, or how many, will default before the housing market and economy recover.

In the meantime, it’s like trying to buy a bottle of water when you have been warned that some on the shelf are full of poison.  You pretty much have to label the entire batch as toxic.

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pete-734820

Goldman Sachs has no shortage of friends in DC, received billions in tax payers money to beef up their balance sheet, gleefully watched as their competition were dealt fatal blows, had the investing market almost all to themselves, bet as wildly on the market as they did before risk aversion was looked down upon by DC and without any real competition they could play both sides of the market, manipulating and prospering as they have never done before posting their biggest quarterly profit in their history, an amazing feat when you consider the US is in the middle of its worst economic condition since the 1930s. While it all may be legal, it still sticks to high heaven and whats worse is Obama is now curiously silent about the egregious profits they made and the billions in bonuses that promise to pay. Sound like business a usual for a chosen few adn wioth the blessing of DC

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:41 AM EDT
It isCommon Sense

Great post but most people have no interest or just feel there is nothing they can do about a very corupt system.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:06 PM EDT
OldPhartbsa

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2GvteRoihQE

"The proprietary code, worth millions of dollars, lets the firm do "sophisticated, high-speed and high-volume trades on various stock and commodities markets," prosecutors said in court documents. Facciponti said a person misusing the code might be able to "manipulate markets."

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:09 PM EDT
Cniht

Old,

Interesting article and I'm sure Goldman used the program to manipulate things on a vast scale.

However, the Russian is probably guilty. This is a stereotypical comment, but Russian programs are notorious software thieves, hackers, etc. There are always good apples apples, and Russians got stuck with the shorter end of the stick in the programming scene. That being said I'm also sure the evidence in the case will bare that out. His best bet is to drop a dime on Goldman and get out of it.

    #1.3 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:25 PM EDT
    palco

    This whole crisis has shown who runs America. from the beginning of this con ? crisis? Paulson gave conflicting testimony on each visit to congress and in each interview he gave, nobody seemed to want to go there,future questions were carefully directed around conflicts of statements and reasoning, In every area of the financial institutions of this government former Goldman Sacks executives and CEO's are embedded, The fact that Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sacks and J.P. Morgan Chase received 100% on the dollar from A.I.G. headed by another Goldman executive appointed by Paulson, hasn't raised justice department antenna is more than curious, it leaves the impression they are doing there best to cover all tracks of crimes committed, And I for one do believe many crimes have been committed.

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:43 PM EDT
    palco

    OldPhartbsa

    Informative article, manipulating markets in the wrong hands? as if Goldman's is the right hand? in Paulson's testimony at the banking committee, a senator asked him why when ........."2 months ago you came to congress and said everything was fine in the market place, what happened ? when did the lights come on" (Paulson).. the past wednesday ..the (Senator)...what happened last wednesday...(Paulson).. money moved out of the money markets funds...(Senator)...why would people move money out of their money markets...(Paulson)...well ! not small investors, big money, large amounts of money,,,Senator....no follow up...more Senators...no follow up ???????????????? Corney as it sounds you always have to follow the money no one has as of yet. Before Paulson came to congress asking for a trillion dollars with no Judaical oversight or congressional oversight, I had been reading of the manipulation of the crash of the stock market in the twenty's by J.P. Morgan and friends, when I heard Paulson's comments it was deja vue.

    • 1 vote
    #1.5 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:14 PM EDT
    sumthin fishy

    none of this is encouraging....it appears to me that everything high finance does is at the expense of the common person....probably best just to stay away from these greedy, blood sucking, money loving vampires

      #1.6 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:59 PM EDT
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      golfmanj

      it also helps that basically the entire fed worked at goldman at one point in time, and they would never allow anything to happend to their buddies.

      you want to know why gas prices are so high? goldman sachs.

      that is where they made their big money last quarter. manipulating the market because they had so much cash to pour into oil, they were controlling what we pay. not opec like they try and make us believe. just watch over the next few months what goldman has to say about oil. if they say buy, the world listens. if they say sell, the world listens. and because of the good ole boy network in washington and at goldman, they just keep it going.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#2 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:06 AM EDT
      '53 Korean Vet

      Somewhere in a previous Blog--I read that there have been over 30 Goldman members that have been brought into Obama's administration--to work with him on various levels of department within the Financial positions in this government!! Sounds like he's guaranteed all of these people--Jobs!! Not that they really are needy, or desperate!! "But I'll scatch your Back--if you scatch Mine-!" Sounds a little "Prejudice" to me!! Perhaps, we need to ask Obama about the other 3 million, 999 thousand other jobs--that we'd heard about, so much from 'Him'-!! If you voted for him--make him deliver-!! He's not doing without, why are you doing without-now-!? Your homes are gone, your Jobs vanished, what hope do you have--from a Lawyer, who won his Case!

        #2.1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:47 PM EDT
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        Cniht

        This guy should no longer be able to write financial stories or reporting.

        I've read his columns for a while and he really needs to actually dig into events. Goldman Sachs looks so good because they received a huge amount of money laundered though the AIG by the Fed and Treasury.

        In the story he states:

        • The taxpayer-funded TARP bailout money really didn’t help Goldman all that much. For one thing, the government was charging Goldman and other bailed-out banks 5 percent interest. The government also took warrants — essentially the right to buy some of each bailed-out bank’s stock. Goldman is now negotiating to buy those warrants back, which will cost it more money.

        He's right as to what TARP did, he's wrong as to it helping and why it helped Goldman Sachs so much.

        The FED and the Treasury gave over or close to 200 Billion to AIG. With this money AIG fulfilled 12 Billion in Goldman Sachs Credit Default Swaps at 100 Cents on the Dollar. This was done with TARP and FED money. By getting the money this way Goldman definitely benefited 'from TARP', they also dodges the 5% interest rate, and any government oversight.

        A Credit Default Swap is essentially an off record unsecured, and unregulated, insurance policy. There was no reason Goldman Sachs should have got 100 cents on the dollar, if anything, for this from a failed institution. The bailout money from AIG would have been better to go toward their actual business model of insurance and or covering what they were liable for not these unsecured, and unregulated, obligations which amounts to race track betting. All this at a time when Chrysler and GM Bondholders are taking 20 cents on the dollar for their billions in debt, and stockholders of these and many other companies are completely wiped out.

        The one thing he does get right is that their competition was obliterated. It's very easy to see why when those institutions did not get any funds, or if they did they got the 5% and Government Oversight that went with them. It's also easy to make 3.9 billion when you've been made whole with 12 billion courtesy of the US Taxpayer free of charge. Incase anyone missed this little point, former Secretary Paulson is ex-CEO from where? Goldman Sachs.

        This company needs to be investigated, and their agents purged from government. This is why it's not safe to put the fox in charge of the hen house which is what our current regulatory system does.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#3 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
        It isCommon Sense

        The biggest story in the world is about how Goldman and others are manipulating the stock market and comodities. You would think that Obama would be the 1st one to know how much corruption is going on and make that a major priority. The fact that this info is not mainstream shows us that the big players cant be touched!

        • 1 vote
        Reply#4 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:15 PM EDT
        pete-734820

        The reason Obama is silent about the markets manipulation is because its benefiting his administration, Goldman gets all the profits and America gets the shaft. Obama once said " there is a time and place for profit, now is not the time" that was in Oct/Nov. Now he says " There is a time and place for profits, now is the time my poll numbers are slipping" Hypocrite aluminum siding salesman

          #4.1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:09 PM EDT
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          Wallstrafed

          One of the best things to happen to Goldman was the Madoff fraud prosecution because it took the spotlight off of GS where it belonged.  These guys are criminals lining up politicians on both sides of the aisle.  These same politicians make decisions such as forcing GS'  competitors into liquidation and loaning GS money for nothing.  Meanwhile, Goldman engages in rigged programmed trading so the little guy can continue to take it in the shorts.  Where is the SEC or the U.S. Department of Justice hiding?  US$900,000 per employee in bonuses?  The U.S. taxpayers damn well better get their money back in spades instead of letting Goldman &%$^ us in redeeming their warrants.  You can bet your bottom dollar that Goldman made a killing when they drove the Dow into the 6,500 range which miraculously recovered the same week.   What happened to investment banks screwing the public the old fashioned way - through public offerings?  Oh yeah, no offerings because they #$%&ed up the market and every citizen's employment and retirement by profiting off of fees on subprime debt issuances.  To top it off, the retired or (temporarily retired) GSers then get the plum Department of State jobs so they can have the U.S. Department of State pay for them to party down in France or Germany.     

            Reply#5 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
            Joanne-1241727

            Goldman Sachs was the biggest packager and seller of collaterized debt obligations (CDOs), packaging thousands of mortgages together, 75% subprime, yet passing them off as AAA paper. When the market deteriorated, Goldman made profit by selling them short.

            And many retirees, mutual funds, and city governments who bought these bonds with assurances of Goldman sales people were badly hurt.

            Goldman Sachs also was a large purchaser of credit default swaps (CDSs), many from AIG. Representatives from Goldman placed pressure on Hank Paulson for government bailout funds for AIG. And where did billions of those bailout funds go? To pay off Goldman!

            And we the taxpayers are picking up the tab.

            Goldman Sachs developed computer algorithms for high frequency trading. As such, they insert themselves in rising or falling stocks, buying and selling with lightening speed and making huge profits.

            As a result, the individual investor buys these stocks and higher prices and sells them at lower prices.

            Goldman Sachs is profiting from the financial crisis recovery by taking the same huge risks with a bonus-driven culture.

            And if the market buckles again, will they require another government rescue?

            So, please tell me how Goldman Sachs’ activities and business model benefits our society as a whole and contributes to the growth of American industry? What do they do that is valuable to other people? Or does Goldman merely employ financial tricks to make money for Goldman, leaving the crumbs for the rest of us, and subjecting us to a stock market with a casino mentality?

            • 2 votes
            Reply#6 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
            Lor-562895

            Goldman/Sachs holds director positons in The Privately owned Federal Reserve Bank, with their "funny money" backing, their is no way they could fail. They borrow money through loans made by our current president B.O and his CZARS trillion dollar debt package, but the money is coming from an institution in which they sit as directors, namely The Federal Reserve Bank. This whole tremendous debt is nothing but one big scam created by the Federal Reserve owners and it's being implemented by our own government. It gives this private group ownership in Americas most important businesses and is burying into or sinking any competiton, thereby creating a socialistic government with the Federal Reserve dominating the financial position in the world, yep, they are and have been operating under many different names in different nations to achieve this one goal for decades (they call themselves "The Bank of England" in England to deceive those citizens into believing they are part of the English government system) and self-serving, greedy government has put themselves and all citizens in their debt up over our heads. There is a remedy, both Lincoln and Kennedy implemented it, both were mysteriously assinated. It's following this country's very Constitution, to not borrow money, but to print our own currency. Remember Kennedy having US Silver Certificates printed, backed by silver in our vaults? He was assinated and printing of our currency was stopped and congress went right back to borrowing from this private, greedy group....Lincoln did the same and he was assinated. Congress would be forced to only spend what silver was available to back, thereby limiting their pays, perks, per diems, squanderous spending and benefits, whereas by borrowing the Federal Reserve notes, which is actually just counterfeit money, printed on demand, backed by nothing of value, it provides our government with unlimited funds, driving up the debt to these people with their self-serving squandering. The IRS was established the same time the Federal Reserve planted it's greedy feet in our nation, it's sole purpose is to collect enough taxes from the citizens to pay the "interest only" the Federal Reserve says is due them on these phoney money loans. This is why our national debt has only grown and never diminishes. We have no right to audit our loans with them, to audit them in any way, shape or form, they are their own government "within" our governemt (that's about the only truth Bernanke admitted to) and are accountable to no-one and Bernanke knows this, but citizens are wising up to their scam, so now Bernanke is holding fireside chats to try to sell more lies to those who would believe him. Pathetic, greedy bunch of vultures is all The Federal Reserve Bank is. We need a leader and a congress that will do whats right, not line their own nests with tainted, counterfeit money and then tax the citizens to death to pick up the interest tab. Next comes forced labor (see how high the unemployment is), well next it will be work for your bed and bread or go die. Use to be all you had to do was die and pay taxes, now CZAR B.O. and his followers say, you will take our national healthcare plan and pay for it, or you will be heavily fined.....Sounds like Hitler reborn to me.

              Reply#7 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
              '53 Korean Vet

              Thanks Lor-- For your well-thought out input-- For those who understand little about Banking Economics, it clears the air--for serious investigations about where we think that we ARE! And what happens Next-!! Bernanke today stated that "This Depression could get much worse than the "Big Depression"-- I'm old enough that I got to see the "Big Depression" during my childhood--believe me, no one should ever want to see another-one!! But "History always repeats itself"--and guess what has happened-!! "Only Fools and their Money, are soon--parted!" This time--it's your Money, & as to not rub it in--I'll leave out the 1st part of this saying-!! Good Luck & save a ten-spot for the end-!!

                #7.1 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:06 PM EDT
                FatCatGets$700Bil

                The Federal Reserve was created at the beginning of the 1900s. Several years later, America suffered its worse Depression in its entire history until recently. It is not a coincident that in both economic depressions, the Federal Reserve's manipulation of the money supply played a major role.  Prior to the creation of Federal Reserve, the slow down in the US economy caused by the business cycle was revived quickly as economic forces reestablish a balance between consumption and production. With Keynesian economic calling for deficit spending and the Federal Reserve printing ever more Green-backs, one US dollar in 2009 is worth about 5% of a dollar from the 1900.  Such magnitude illustrates the outright theft of wealth by the Federal Reserve. Since the Big Bankers sit on the Federal Reserve, a private club for Big Bankers,  they have been able to take advantage of its printing press as well as exploiting interest rate.  Goldman Sach, GS, has received TARP money in addition to the money from the emergency "Open Teller Window" at the Federal Reserve. GS re-incorporated itself as a holding-bank inorder to line-up at the Federal Reserve's teller window as well as receive FDIC insurance. As the US government has determined that GS is too big to fail, it has created a moral hazard. Without risk of bankruptcy, GS can make risky bets on bonds, stock, and commodities such as crude oil which
                GS had self servingly predicted in 2008 to reach $200/barrel. In all  instances, the US Government, ie, US taxpayers, are the collaterals for GS.  It is an outrage that the ultimate risk takers, the US taxpayers, are not compensated as GS reaps billions. As for the MSNBC writer, Schoen, he is an old fuddy-duddy with limited cerebral activity.  His simplistic explanation is more often than not a regurgitation of nonsence served up by clever Wall St salesmen or at best water-down description of reality. It is accurate to call Schoen a sycophant.

                  #7.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:14 AM EDT
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                  rt-1241818

                  Wow, ...puffy.

                  Get some facts:

                    Reply#8 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:18 PM EDT
                    CommonSenseOR

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJsp6vQwWSQ

                    Listen carefully to all of this. Every American should hear this.

                      Reply#9 - Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:32 PM EDT
                      Bill-901060

                      whatever the vid was, it was removed, too controversial for YOUTUBE perhaps?

                      Can you shed some light on the topic?

                        #9.1 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:35 PM EDT
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                        PacificGatePost

                        GOLDMAN SACHS Wrote To The President.... A LETTER of THANKS.

                        http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2009/07/goldman-sachs-thank-you-mr-president.html

                        ……. And the circus continues, with Taxpayer singing the tune.

                          Reply#10 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:54 AM EDT
                          THE FYTHELER

                          And here I thought it ALL came from O.J.Simpson's lawyers.

                            Reply#11 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
                            America Today-Anthony

                            Buy Goldman stock!

                            Trade oil futures!

                            Make money!

                            Shaft your neighbor!

                            VIVA America!~

                              Reply#12 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:47 AM EDT
                              Won't get fooled

                              So, trading makes wealth? REALLY?!?! But truly, where does wealth come from? Who is REALLY doing the toiling and building of the wealth of the country that pays the millions in bonuses to these bastards who sleep late and have someone else carry out their garbage and cut their grass? How can a dozen companies report billions in quarterly profit when millions of hard working Americans are losing their homes and dreams. This is a screwed up system. How many people do you think can jump on the gravy train before it runs out of steam? They forget that it takes working people in the train house and down on the tracks to keep them rolling along in the dining car without a care in the world. Making millions while sitting and clicking a mouse is ridiculous. And then having the nerve to say you earned a 100 million dollar bonus while doing it is criminal.

                              WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP_AdVVKFdM

                                Reply#13 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT
                                FatCatGets$700Bil

                                The Federal Reserve was created at the beginning of the 1900s. Several years later, America suffered its worse Depression in its entire history until recently. It is not a coincident that in both economic depressions, the Federal Reserve's manipulation of the money supply played a major role. Prior to the creation of Federal Reserve, the slow down in the US economy caused by the business cycle was revived quickly as economic forces reestablish a balance between consumption and production. With Keynesian economic calling for deficit spending and the Federal Reserve printing ever more Green-backs, one US dollar in 2009 is worth about 5% of a dollar from the 1900. Such magnitude illustrates the outright theft of wealth by the Federal Reserve. Since the Big Bankers sit on the Federal Reserve, a private club for Big Bankers, they have been able to take advantage of its printing press as well as exploiting interest rate. Goldman Sach, GS, has received TARP money in addition to the money from the emergency "Open Teller Window" at the Federal Reserve. GS re-incorporated itself as a holding-bank inorder to line-up at the Federal Reserve's teller window as well as receive FDIC insurance. As the US government has determined that GS is too big to fail, it has created a moral hazard. Without risk of bankruptcy, GS can make risky bets on bonds, stock, and commodities such as crude oil which
                                GS had self servingly predicted in 2008 to reach $200/barrel. In all instances, the US Government, ie, US taxpayers, are the collaterals for GS. It is an outrage that the ultimate risk takers, the US taxpayers, are not compensated as GS reaps billions. As for the MSNBC writer, Schoen, he is an old fuddy-duddy with limited cerebral activity. His simplistic explanation is more often than not a regurgitation of nonsence served up by clever Wall St salesmen or at best water-down description of reality. It is accurate to call Schoen a sycophant.

                                  Reply#14 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:16 AM EDT
                                  FatCatGets$700Bil

                                  The Federal Reserve was created at the beginning of the 1900s. Several years later, America suffered its worse Depression in its entire history until recently. It is not a coincident that in both economic depressions, the Federal Reserve's manipulation of the money supply played a major role. Prior to the creation of Federal Reserve, the slow down in the US economy caused by the business cycle was revived quickly as economic forces reestablish a balance between consumption and production. With Keynesian economic calling for deficit spending and the Federal Reserve printing ever more Green-backs, one US dollar in 2009 is worth about 5% of a dollar from the 1900. Such magnitude illustrates the outright theft of wealth by the Federal Reserve. Since the Big Bankers sit on the Federal Reserve, a private club for Big Bankers, they have been able to take advantage of its printing press as well as exploiting interest rate. Goldman Sach, GS, has received TARP money in addition to the money from the emergency "Open Teller Window" at the Federal Reserve. GS re-incorporated itself as a holding-bank inorder to line-up at the Federal Reserve's teller window as well as receive FDIC insurance. As the US government has determined that GS is too big to fail, it has created a moral hazard. Without risk of bankruptcy, GS can make risky bets on bonds, stock, and commodities such as crude oil which
                                  GS had self servingly predicted in 2008 to reach $200/barrel. In all instances, the US Government, ie, US taxpayers, are the collaterals for GS. It is an outrage that the ultimate risk takers, the US taxpayers, are not compensated as GS reaps billions. As for the MSNBC writer, Schoen, he is an old fuddy-duddy with limited cerebral activity. His simplistic explanation is more often than not a regurgitation of nonsence served up by clever Wall St salesmen or at best water-down description of reality. It is accurate to call Schoen a sycophant.

                                    Reply#15 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:18 AM EDT
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