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`Cash for clunkers' effect on pollution? A blip

Tue Aug 4, 2009 5:03 PM EDT
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Seth Borenstein, AP Science Writer
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WASHINGTON — "Cash for clunkers" could have the same effect on global warming pollution as shutting down the entire country — every automobile, every factory, every power plant — for an hour per year. That could rise to three hours if the program is extended by Congress and remains as popular as it is now.

Climate experts aren't impressed.

Compared to overall carbon dioxide emissions in the United States, the pollution savings from cash for clunkers do not noticeably move the fuel gauge. Environmental experts say the program — conceived primarily to stimulate the economy and jump-start the auto industry — is not an effective way to attack climate change.

"As a carbon dioxide policy, this is a terribly wasteful thing to do," said Henry Jacoby, a professor of management and co-director of the Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change at MIT. "The amount of carbon you are saving per federal expenditure is very, very small."

Officials expect a quarter-million gas guzzlers will be junked under the original $1 billion set aside by Congress — money that is now all but exhausted.

Calculations by The Associated Press, using Department of Transportation figures, show that replacing those fuel hogs will reduce carbon dioxide emissions by just under 700,000 tons a year. While that may sound impressive, it's nothing compared to what the U.S. spewed last year: nearly 6.4 billion tons (and that was down from previous years).

That means on average, every hour, America emits 728,000 tons of carbon dioxide. The total savings per year from cash for clunkers translates to about 57 minutes of America's output of the chief greenhouse gas.

Likewise, America will be using nearly 72 million fewer gallons of gasoline a year because of the program, based on the first quarter-million vehicles replaced. U.S. drivers go through that amount of gas every 4 1/2 hours, according to the Department of Energy.

For individuals, the program scores big. Vehicle owners who trade in an older, gas-guzzling truck or car for a newer fuel-efficient vehicle can get $3,500 to $4,500 in rebates. On average each year, they will save 287 gallons of gas, more than $700 in fuel costs and close to 3 tons in carbon dioxide pollution.

The problem is, there aren't enough of these individuals to dent the national or global energy and environmental problems.

"There's 260 million vehicles on the road and you're talking a quarter-million vehicles. It's not even close. It's just a drop in the bucket," said Bruce Belzowski, a scientist at the University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute. "It's really small numbers. But if you don't start somewhere, where are you going to start? It heads the country in the right direction."

The House has passed a bill at President Barack Obama's request to pump an additional $2 billion into the program. If the Senate follows suit, the potential effect on pollution and energy would triple. But experts say that it is still not much compared to the overall problem.

One benefit of cash for clunkers is that it takes some of the dirtiest cars off the road for good — their engines are immobilized with "liquid glass" and the rest of the vehicle can be recycled. Otherwise, these cars could have been on the road for several more years, polluting more each year. So the pollution reductions keep adding up.

Americans are holding on to their cars longer than they used to, with the median age of cars on the road in 2008 rising to a record high of 9.4 years, according to R.L. Polk & Co.

While some people have worried that there might be an added environmental and energy cost to recycling the metal in the junked cars, experts said that is not the case. Generally, it saves energy to use recycled steel in cars rather than newly made steel, Belzowski said.

The cars being bought aren't just more gas-stingy than what they're replacing — they are 18 percent more efficient on average than other new cars, according to the Department of Transportation.

"This is a win-win program for everybody," said National Highway Traffic Safety Administration spokesman Eric Bolton. "The program is raising the average fuel economy of the fleet while getting the dirtiest vehicles off the roads."

Bolton said there is another benefit to the program: Newer cars "are considerably safer than the old clunkers they are replacing."

But some energy experts say the country is overpaying for the pollution reductions, mostly because cash for clunkers is more about stimulating the economy than cutting pollution.

Paying up to $4,500 per clunker means the government is spending more than $160 for every ton of carbon dioxide removed over 10 years, said MIT's Jacoby, co-author of the book "Transportation in a Climate-Constrained World."

That's five to 10 times more than the estimated per-ton cost of carbon dioxide for power plants in the cap-and-trade system passed earlier this year by the House.

Michael Gerrard, director of the Center for Climate Change Law at Columbia University, who examined the clunkers program in an academic journal, said there are far better ways to cut energy use and greenhouse gases.

"It's not that it's a bad idea; just don't sell it as a cost-effective energy savings method," he said. "From an economic standpoint it seems to be a roaring success. From an environment and energy perspective, it's not where you would put your first dollar."

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Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas in Washington contributed to this report.

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Cash for Clunkers program: http://www.cars.gov

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dsanthony

but these cars are out of the market now... and won't be passed on for the next 20 years as used cars. obama and the left have a long term goal of removing automobiles as the main transportation of america. Private car ownership will be a rare thing in the future, if obama's programs get established.

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Reply#1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
maw

huh? what kind of logic is that? How's replacing old cars with new ones going to lead to less private car ownership? You do realize that today's new cars will be tomorrow's used ones, right?

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#1.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:23 PM EDT
dsanthony

the whole purpose of his program is to destroy these cars. You should do more research.

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#1.2 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:33 PM EDT
maw

The purpose of the program is to help get some of the old polluting cars off the road, help the auto industry recover, and jump start consumer spending again. Whether or not those goals are met is one thing, but i still fail to see how any of this equates to private ownership being taken away.

There is no law that says you can't buy a car, or that you can only buy a certain type of car, there's not even a law saying you HAVE to to get rid of your old clunker. I plan on keeping my trusty old 1994 Explorer, but if I want I can sell it to a private owner instead of trading it in, no law against that either..

So please get off the conspiracy soapbox already..

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#1.3 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT
dsanthony

You don't know the goals of the leftist environmentalists, or you just won't accurately describe those goals.

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#1.4 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 1:08 AM EDT
Andee-344173

It goes beyond what you said MAW! Read on!

The first round of this program has a disclaimer, and believe it or not, only one person read it and brought it to the attention of a talk show host. He in turn contacted a well know judge to look and read the disclaimer, interpret; then he got a computer guru on to see if there was a way out for those already in peril. Although, the government supposedly took the phrase out, as the guru and judge said, "do not trust Big Brother, they are not working in your best interest." True and it is not only this admnistration, but it started with Clinton.

The disclaimer, in part reads or read: By signing this Privacy Act statement, you acknowledge that the government will own you computer and all information in it and on it." Paraphrased. This means your friends/contacts are all vulnerable and can they do that, "yes," says the guru!

Friends, here is another of our freedoms under attack and being violated and we are sitting back doing nothing! Do you know how to cook a frog? You warm it up slowly and this has been going on for some 38 years or more.

When I was seven, I heard that Statement; I knew the answer and turne to mom and said, "America will see Communism in my lifetime." She was shocked! Well, I missed the correct word, but at seven it was the only other type of government, beyond anarchy that I knew of..we are in an overthrow of our government and into an oligarchy. Please look that word up if you do not know it and then start helping us that are called lunatics to take our nation back..if we get this Health care...we are sunk..work too on no appt for Sotomayor...she is one of his radicals and puppets.

    #1.5 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:07 PM EDT
    chick76

    Actually it isn't as environmentally friendly as you think, and not just because this article says so. Someone traded in an old truck for a new truck. If this really was a conspiracy, they would not be able to buy a truck at all on this program. Only the most efficient cars would be eligible.

      #1.6 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 9:27 PM EDT
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      Andee-344173

      We must not allow Healthcare to pass as it is written! You baby boomers, you that most likely supported this administration, beware. We must not allow another puppet to be put in his Regime at the Supreme Court level..she believes in decisons based on International Law. Think of the ramifications here..............beyond belief.

      If you have a government ran healthcare system then all have to take orders from the FEDS. Rationing is already mandated and we seniors are being told how and when we will die in this bill. Read it, it is there, black and white. This means the same for you, only worse. Is this behavior in our government is possible..hopefully not, probable, yes. However, can you imagine what your family would have to go through, can you imagine what you would have to go through if this passes and the verbiage is not removed? We are going to see more suicides and homicides as people deciide to end it for themselves and their families rather than to expose them to government ran healthcare.

      There is a clause that might or might not be put in; it is called the Comparative Effectiveness Research..this says, in essence, if your condition is not irreversible or you cannot be cured, you will receive No Basic Health care.

      I encourage you to get a hold of the House Bill that has already passed and read it; later in the week, I will try to have the website for you to get it off from or other info how to access it. Too, the DEMS say the Republicans cannot release copies of any of the bills to their constituents and yet, yet it is we who have to pay for it and will eventually become victims as they attempt to build an elite/serf society.

      Holren, one of the newest CZARS, wrote a book a while back, like ten years, calling for the masses to be killed through poisoning of the water we drink..the title of the book can be found on Search if you care to try to find it at your local library or purchase it from Barnes and Noble who are known to support the alternative lifestyle.

        Reply#2 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:22 PM EDT
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