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World economy on rebound, but future uncertain

Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:38 AM EDT
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Tom Raum, Associated Press
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<p>Trader Bradley Silverman, right, works on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange Friday, Aug. 21, 2009. Stocks are rallying after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told investors what they wanted to hear: The economy is indeed on the verge of recovery. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)</p>

Trader Bradley Silverman, right, works on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange Friday, Aug. 21, 2009. Stocks are rallying after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told investors what they wanted to hear: The economy is indeed on the verge of recovery. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

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WASHINGTON — Turnabouts in European and Asian economies, along with recent gains in the U.S., are raising hopes that the worldwide recession is drawing to a close. That's not to say the coast is clear.

The brightening outlook in Europe and Asia and the improvement in U.S. credit markets and indicators reflect heavy government stimulus spending. Many analysts question whether the top economies can sustain recoveries after stimulus measures and easy-credit policies have run their course — and in the absence of significant new consumer spending, especially among Americans.

"It's not clear that these economies can continue to move forward without stimulus," said Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody's Economy.com. "And that's in part why stock markets across the globe are nervous."

It will be difficult for other countries to pull out of recession until the U.S., still one quarter of the world economy, starts growing, he said.

After a frightening free-fall across Europe in late 2008, France and Germany, the continent's two largest economies, reported recently that they had grown slightly in the second quarter of 2009. Other major European countries reported they were still struggling, but with generally improved figures over late 2008 and earlier this year.

China, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore and South Korea have also reported rebounds as government stimulus efforts across the globe have begun to show results.

Russia, among the hardest hit of major economies as oil prices slumped and many foreign investors fled the country, appeared to be stabilizing.

Meanwhile, in the United States, the Federal Reserve said the world's largest economy appeared to be "leveling out" and many economists see a second-half rebound.

It all adds up to an improving picture ahead of an economic summit next month in Pittsburgh of the world's top 20 industrial and developing economies.

It is the third such meeting of all the major economic players, after one convened by former President George W. Bush in November in Washington, and one held earlier this year in London. It is the first to be held recently as economies appear to be improving.

But until American consumers begin spending again, and so long as jobs are still being lost, the durability of any recovery is questionable. Major retailers reported this week that U.S. consumers are continuing to rein in spending on all but basics.

Despite slight recent improvements in many U.S. economic statistics, many consumers haven't seen a change in their lives.

So many jobs have been lost — nearly seven million since the recession began in December 2007 — that the unemployment rate will remain high long after the economy begins to rebound.

Many out-of-work Americans have lost unemployment and severance benefits and are depleting their savings. Others are saving more and spending less, still shaken from the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

"This is going to be the mother of all jobless recoveries," said Allen Sinai, chief global economist for Decision Economics, a consulting firm.

Japan, the world's second-largest economy, grew 0.9 percent in the second quarter, or April to June, compared with the prior quarter as export sales picked up after the country's deepest slump since World War II, the Japanese government reported earlier this week. It was the latest major economy to report upbeat second-quarter results.

Japan's return to growth — thanks to a 6.3 percent uptick in exports along with government stimulus measures — marked the end of a yearlong recession.

But the development, along with recent news that other major economies had resumed economic growth or were stabilizing, did not impress investors as global stock markets sank and then zigzagged amid fears by jittery international investors that the recoveries were not sustainable.

In the United States, the gross domestic product contracted at a 1 percent pace in the April-June quarter, after plunging 6.4 percent in the January-March quarter, the worst in 27 years, and fell by 5.4 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008.

The latest statistics suggested the recession is in its final stages, and some economists believe it may have already ended.

Still, economists are mixed on the pace of recovery. Many barriers clearly stand in the way of a quick rebound.

Noting China's fast bounce — it posted more than 6 percent growth in the first half of 2009 — Peter Morici, a business economist at the University of Maryland and a critic of Obama's economic-recovery plans, said: "China has a $400 billion stimulus package, and its economy is firing on all cylinders. President Obama has an $800 billion stimulus but prospects for the U.S. economic recovery are fragile."

Other economists are guardedly optimistic. And Lawrence Summers, the top White House economic adviser, predicts "a substantial return to normalcy" in the coming months.

While acknowledging "we have a long way to go," he notes that most forecasts for GDP growth in the second half of the year are now positive.

"It is reasonable to say that we are in a very different place than we were six months ago; that the sense of free-fall, of vertical decline, has been contained," he told a recent economic forum.

Most economists and analysts seem to agree.

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LeftInTexas

Correction:

Financial institutions emerging from near financial ruin, screw consumer saviors in rear!

In an unprecedented show of resilience and out-right greed, America's top financial institutions once again spawn exuberant, but, temorary gains on Wall Street as investors flock to markets to cash in on bank profits derived from excessive fees levied against depositors before a federal crack-down that prohibits financial institutions from using tricks/traps to boost profits for senior management compensation plans and share-holders alike.

An unnamed banking CEO requesting anonymity was quoted: "...It's like taking candy from a baby in America, all you have to do is buy the right politicians, take huge risks and threaten to take away people's ability to satisfy their lust for immediate self-gratification using credit"

When ask for comment, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve said: "... We're baaack..!"

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:47 AM EDT
economics101

The problem with your comment above is that this is how our economy operates, and that the delivery of the "stimulus" had to come through the banks primarily to the top 5% of the population where the government and public have been charged a huge fee for distributing their own money.

The sick irony of the situation is that since the sole distribution network of our economy are private "for profit" banks, who have caused every recession since the 1830's, the recovery mechanism which the giovernment can use enriches those who caused the recession to begin with ..... This is sickening frankly.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
Nofluer

econ - #1.1

No - wrtong. Funds dispersed for whatever reason by the Fed or the Treasury could be distributed directly to the recipients (the Fed would go through the Treasury) - they didn't need to go through the banks. That was just a little graft on the side. Haven't you ever seen those green checks that the Government hands out? Yep - direct from the Treasury to you!

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
economics101

you don't get it ... every dollar the Treasury produces is "borrowed" from the Fed who sells it off to the banks ..... therefore, even if they send us check directly, they are the source of all the money, and earn interest on every penny.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:21 AM EDT
LeftInTexas

economics101~

Everything was sorta ok until they [congress] started messing with the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, then America began the horrible cyclical cycle of boom/bust economics.

Unfortunately, Glass-Steagal is totally out-dated for the 21st century. Therefore a major overhaul regulatory framework must occur to get our financial house in order.

It is not rocket science as you know, it is accounting/risk-management101...

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:08 AM EDT
economics101

The entire monetary system is the problem ... from teh First bank of the USA to the modern incarnation. The GS Act, the breakdown of Bretton Woods, the ownership of virtually everything by the bankers in this period .... If these groups control the price, quantity and who gets access to the money how3 can the economy operate in any semblance of fairness and effectiveness ..... currently the monetary system acts as a huge wealth distribution system which transfers wealth from those who work to those who don't. Money itself doesn't mean anything, its just asystem to create interest.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:44 AM EDT
Glinda

And the wealth is generated without creating any useful thing - this cannot last.

I have seen quite a few predictions of a second drop (double-dip) when the stimulus money is gone and the real economy has not recovered.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:18 PM EDT
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brianfromPA

Fitting that they mention China spent half as much as the US, and is in full recovery now. Perhaps because China actually manufactures goods? Don't worry you blind Americans... You will soon be just like the Chinese. You'll make $4 an hour to live in a company provided apartment room and work 16 hours a day, and get to go home to your family for 4 weeks out of the year!

The corporations will rob you blind soon enough. I think the last study I saw said the bottom 50% of Americans only make 12% of the income in this country? It'll be the bottom 70% within 5 years thanks to our not fixing the problems that just occurred.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:49 AM EDT
Stu-4803409

I agree... I gotta say $4/hr after housing might actually be an improvement.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:47 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

china had an economic surplus.. plus china didnt have to deal with the gop slowing down everything or both sides adding earmarks.
last when everyone else owes you money.. guess who recovers first.

check out the current account balance of china vs the US

but yeah slightly cause china manufactures cheap goods. Walmart saw an explosion of new customers as the economy dried up.

  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
economics101

Of course it will be jobless, or chronic underemployment. Economist have known for about 20 years that we have a massive labor surplus in the world ... especially in the "developed world". We produce everything we need with about 15% of the population "working", teh rest are basically superflous....it is the ultimate joke that we are employed now not to produce goods, but to produce worthless paper money to by the goods created by that 15%!! In fact we likely require that 5% more than are necessary work doing this because we interfere .....

JObs are important to keep credit going. Thats what this entire excercise was about .... Credit. Credit causes recessions, expansions, etc ... the relative production of Goods is pretty stable, its the production of money and credit thats in flux.

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:25 AM EDT
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ntq

World emerging from deep slump but can it last?

Afraid not this time. Just the calm before wind. The existing stock market economy can no longer gurantee the planet and its inhabitants "welfare" and "security"; the 2 vital yet missing elements of our present financial concerns and activities, turning the whole economy into one "unrewarding and unprospering" process of our time.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

why do you think the stock market is closing in on 10k again?
think all them people dont know what you know?

the world economy wont come back to where it was last year before the collapse
but yeah this current recession IS ending.
mainly due to quick government intervention.

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:24 PM EDT
Stu-4803409

Maybe Joules but I fully anticipate another jobless recovery like in 2001 where basically we never really get back to 'good'. The only way I think we really can reach true growth is by drastically increasing income of the middle and lower classes. You can't have a good engine for growth when there is no fuel to keep it going. Outsourcing/offshoring/greed has hit a critical mass that has collapsed the spending power of our country and unless the top 2-5% let go of some wealth I don't see any kind of turnaround happening.

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
JoulesBeef

i agree it will probably be jobless

it is worth noting.. that in the last great recession.. one smaller in scale than this one.. the 1981 recession.
It took Reagan over a year to recover from recession but it took him over 6 years to get unemployment below 7%
I bold as it is REALLY worth noting..even if it is depressing.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
ntq

Maybe Joules but I fully anticipate another jobless recovery like in 2001 where basically we never really get back to 'good'. The only way I think we really can reach true growth is by drastically increasing income of the middle and lower classes. You can't have a good engine for growth when there is no fuel to keep it going. Outsourcing/offshoring/greed has hit a critical mass that has collapsed the spending power of our country and unless the top 2-5% let go of some wealth I don't see any kind of turnaround happening.

You got your response to your #3.1 post, joules. In the most modest form. Thanks stu ;-)

think all them people dont know what you know?

Don't follow the majority or you'll be lost. A native word of wisdom. And a handy one too.

  • 2 votes
#3.4 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:29 PM EDT
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StarSmiles

World emerging from deep slump but can it last?

We're peeking out come on and say hello. uh hu, you bet! We're peeking out c'mon and say hello, yep yep . Let's just sing along,,waa hoo,waa hoo!

a song by me, enjoy the times. smiles StarSmiles USA

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
jim-1291643

Well yes of course it will last until the next capatilist bonanza takes place. This is how 'economics' works. Capatilism goes through cycles of boom and bust. Conservatives realise this and take what they can in the good times. The Liberals can't get their heads around it and don't really know what to complain about. You either have to accept the current ideology or change it there is no point in whining and tinkering.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT
ZB-1292600

Dumb and Dumber comment in article: "Peter Morici, a business economist at the University of Maryland and a critic of President Barack Obama's economic recovery plans, said: "China has a $400 billion stimulus package, and its economy is firing on all cylinders. President Obama has an $800 billion stimulus but prospects for the U.S. economic recovery are fragile."

Fact is US economy is 3.5 times China's. In other words we would have had to spend 1.4 trillion dollar stimulus to be equivalent to China's stimulus spending. But even that understates the disparity since so much of our stimulus dollars find their way to China through our trade imbalance.

Not withstanding the distortions of the (rightwing) critics, the fact remains our stimulus is far too little and misguided. Restoring a dysfunctional economy back to its same dysfunctional self (ie giving money to the bankers who helped create the problem) at a time when we need to rethink our economy for the 21st century is the great missed opportunity of the financial crisis.

zb

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:29 PM EDT
Lampell

Why does everyone just look at a stimulus of 787 billion, when only 46 billion was spent on projects. Doesnt anyone pay attention to what the Fed did? The Fed's balance sheet went from 800 billion to over 2 trillion, they kept interest rates low, bought T Bonds, intervened in commmercial paper, took in mortgage paper, consumer lending, cars, boats and god knows what else, not to mention guaranteeing 320 billion of CitiGroup's toxic assets and everyone just looks at a stimulus as to the sum of what we did?

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:14 AM EDT
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deccles02

Attention!!! Attention!!!

The financial crisis has been officially called off.

http://deccles02.newsvine.com/_news/2009/08/24/3186127-financial-crisis-called-off

    Reply#9 - Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
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