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Fineman: The last of the great Irish dealmakers

Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:05 PM EDT
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DENVER - AUGUST 25: U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) waves to the crowd during day one of the Democratic National Convention (DNC) at the Pepsi Center August 25, 2008 in Denver, Colorado. The DNC, where U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will be officially nominated as the Democratic candidate for U.S. president, starts today and finishes August 28th. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

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— WASHINGTON - To understand American politics — and what we are losing with the passing of Ted Kennedy — you need to know Ireland.

For 150 years, Irish-Americans have been lubricant in the machinery of public life. Their jovial, boastful, shrewd, and calculating (but ultimately companionable) sense of politics has been the heart and the hope of who we are as Americans.

With Kennedy’s death we have lost the last of that confident Irish ease — that gift for gab and the deal — and need to find it elsewhere, in some other ethnic tribe or immigrant group or groups. This is crucial if we are to survive this next great grinding of our governmental gears.

Ted Kennedy was the last of the great bipartisans, and that’s because he was the last of the great Irish-American politicians.

It has taken me a lifetime of work as a political reporter to acquire a sense of this game — one equivalent to that of an average Dublin bartender.

From whence that genetic knack? In ancient days, every chieftain had a bard to sing his praises — they were the first political consultants and spin doctors. Then the Irish learned the art of public debate as itinerant preachers, roaming the continent with leather-bound Psalters on their belts. And later still, they used those skills to protect their own — their lives, their families and their pride — from the depredations of the lordly British.

All of that accumulated skill and fierce determination they brought here, massing into the cities of the New World and becoming sinews of the nation their labor helped construct.

And all of that history told them that — while a bloody fight was sometimes necessary — a deal among adversaries was usually a better course for all, not to mention more fun. They revere Strongbow in Dublin (you can see his effigy in the city’s Christ Church Cathedral) but they value poets and politicians more.

Ted Kennedy was the Kennedy closest to that spirit. The other brothers were different – all of them heroes in one way or the other, all dying young. Ted was the prosaic survivor, not a hero, and not so much a romantic as the one who carried the load.

Let us not sugarcoat that lack of heroism. Forty summers ago, on a warm night, the car he was driving on Martha’s Vineyard skidded off the bridge at Chappaquiddick. The passenger, Mary Jo Kopechne, drowned. Kennedy later called his decision to swim to safety and abandon the scene “indefensible”.

That event, coupled with the failure of his 1980 bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, left him with an air of rue and regret that forever lurked inside his hale and brassy frame.

More than his brothers, he was the realist. He kept the family ideals but used them in the bipartisan arena of the U.S. Senate.

The Senate was made for people such as him. There are rules, to be sure, but everything depends — or used to depend — on personal relationships: on past deals cascading forward into new ones; on understanding the egos and eccentricities of the men (and now women) around you; on the small gesture, the thoughtful gift, the pat on the back, or the wink of the eye.

No one in modern times understood all of these arts — for want of a better term, these Irish arts — better than Sen. Ted Kennedy.

He would write no one off; make no permanent enemies. Perhaps his own sense of guilt and failure amplified his willingness to withhold any final judgment of others.

At times, his good cheer failed him. Passion overtook him. Kennedy’s diatribe against Judge Robert Bork is one example. In a floor speech, the senator, arms waving and voice thundering, conjured a nightmarish (and grossly unfair) image. The nation, he said, would be a ruined landscape of poor women getting back-alley abortions — all because Bork had criticized Roe v. Wade. The speech all but killed the nomination.

But mostly, Kennedy’s love of the deal resulted in a steady flow of legislation, much of it crafted with an assortment of Republican presidents and conservative senators. And he was willing to incur the wrath of his fellow Democrats to make those deals.

For instance, he fashioned the “No Child Left Behind” education bill with President George W. Bush. Kennedy saw the opportunity to establish the idea of national education standards, and was willing to take Bush at his word.

A staunch Democrat, Kennedy understood that the best way to enshrine some measure of his liberal ideals was to get the whole country — including his erstwhile opponents — to accept them.

It’s a lesson President Barack Obama should remember as he tries to reach Kennedy’s beloved goal of guaranteed health care for all Americans. But it’s also a lesson that GOP members shouldn’t forget. We are still all in this together, aren’t we?

Perhaps the Irish era is over in America, but let’s pray that a spirit of fellowship somehow lives on. We can’t survive without it. And it’s the best way to honor the memory of Ted Kennedy.

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Oplis

The Dream lives on...."

We all inhabit this small planet...we all breathe the same air..we all cherish our childrens future...and ..we are all mortal.JFK
Some people see things the way they are and ask why...I dream of things the way they should be and ask ..why not? RFK
The dream lives on....the dream will never die. EMK
So what is the dream? A nation of the people, by the people, and for the people, that will not perish from the earth. A nation of the people,by the people, and for the people, living equal, in prosperity, in good health, that will not perish from the earth. A nation for all people, who can share their prosperity, by giving a hand to their neighbor, not a handout. A nation that fights for right, but never sends their children to die a needless death.A nation of progress, studying War no more. A nation of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from the earth!

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:08 PM EDT
JTM-890765

Absolutely beautiful.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:10 AM EDT
KMartin1959

Sure is!

    #1.2 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:22 PM EDT
    Chargerguy

    Gag...

    • 1 vote
    #1.3 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT
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    katzgar-420703

    apparently smuggling is an irish art too?

      Reply#2 - Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:44 PM EDT
      Joe M.-294004

      Smuggling was one of the main livlihoods of the founding fathers before the American Revolution. Many of the others like Washington were tobacco farmers.

        #2.1 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:00 PM EDT
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        Albee-2009

        What the hell is Oplis on? Hey Oplis you drunk when you wrote this?

        Teddy Kennedy was a Socialist, plain and simple. He was able to fool those people in Massachusetts for thirty years with his constant BSing, now he is gone, just drop this turd and cover him with dirt........

        • 2 votes
        Reply#3 - Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:56 PM EDT
        AZPADDY

        You would be very lucky to have the respect that Ted Kennedy enjoyed. Orrin Hatch, Nancy Reagan, and many many other conservatives have been stating that Ted Kennedy's passing is a great loss to the Senate and nation.

        Watch his funeral then think what yours may be like.

        You couldn't carry his.................. briefcase.

        • 4 votes
        #3.1 - Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT
        KMartin1959

        Obviously whatever you Albee-2009 are doing is much better!

          #3.2 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:27 PM EDT
          Chargerguy

          As a young man Ted Kennedy was kicked out of Harvard....twice for cheating...once cheating himself and the 2nd paying some one to cheat for him.

          as a middle age man he left the scene of an accident leaving a woman to die....

          Why is Ted Kennedy held to such a Low standard or morality and ethics by liberals/dems?S

          Same liberals who made such a big deal of GW DUI ignore Ted kennedy leaving a woman to die!

          Same liberals who attack Sarah Palins family for its problems ignore the Kennedy families Criminal actions and indiscretions?

          WHy was ted kennedy held to such a low standard or ethics and Morality by dems/liberals?

          • 2 votes
          #3.3 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:44 PM EDT
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          SuperDave01

          he was bipartisian???????????

          Maybe bi and partisian

          • 1 vote
          Reply#4 - Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:29 PM EDT
          mabel mease

          People have to always throw mud. A lot of the people in our country need to clean their own porchs before putting other people down. Senator Kennedy was a great person to have in tthe senate. he fought hard for many things needed for our children, seniors and much, much more. Thank you Ted Kennedy for everything you did to make our country a better place to live. To Vickie and his children and step children may God be with you in this trying time and give you all the courage to go on, and keep Teds memory alive.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#5 - Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:47 PM EDT
          dandr004

          He is about the only Irish descent I like. I typically despise all other Irish-affiliations (Lakers-Celtics thing; I'm a Lakers fan).

          • 3 votes
          Reply#6 - Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:54 PM EDT
          AZPADDY

          You're not a Laker's fan, you're a nut.

          • 1 vote
          #6.1 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:40 AM EDT
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          D H-1102739

          First SuperDave & Albee I can see why a Mental Evaluation Option is for needed with A Universal Health Care Option with your lack of respect for people Like Edward Kennedy.

          Your just Ignorant Anarchists.

          Here's a joke for you.

          How do you deal with a extreme conservative ?

          Ask them what planet they live on!!!!! HA !!! HA !!!! HA !!!!!!

          GOOD ARTICLE EDward Kennedy was a Great Human Being.

          The Human Race will miss Him.

          Unlike You TWO.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#7 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:41 AM EDT
          AZPADDY

          D H

          They just like to create attention for themselves.

          We should just ignore them.

            #7.1 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:43 AM EDT
            Adela-884556

            AZPADDY (your caps not mine)first off, kudos on the idiot saying they don't like Irish-Americans. They probably have Irish blood in their veins but wouldn't know that unless they figured out who their dad is. I hate bigots.

            That being said, Mr. Kennedy was just a man. He allowed a girl to drown, and while he said that action was "indefensible" apparently it was not for a Kennedy...he walked away from it and lived to be 77 when Mary Jo Kopecne (sic??) didn't get to see 26. Thanks to him. He did no time but she's still dead. He defended and helped exhonerate his nephew who raped a girl on a beach in Florida. And his brothers were in a tangle of intrigue regarding Marilyn Monroe's death (albeit not much of a loss there either) that they are just now beginning to put together thanks to advanced forensics.

            I am sorry if you are experiencing pain over this man's death but honestly, I could care less. The human race doesn't need his kind, and finally he's met his justice regarding the death of Mary Jo Kopecne (who I am getting tired of hearing referred to as "that girl" or "that young woman"---she had a name and a family who loved her and lost her.) NOW he has been washed clean of guilt. Using inner city school kids as his platform to get votes did nothing for anyone.

            • 2 votes
            #7.2 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:32 AM EDT
            Joe M.-294004

            Adelia: I guess you also believe that George Bush senior was a murderer for bailing out on the crewmen of the airplane he was flying in the Pacific and letting them crash into the ocean. Or maybe you consider George Bush junior to be a drunk because his wife said that his best friend was Jack Daniels. Should Dick Chaney be put in prison for attempted murder because he shot a friend in the face when they were on a drunken hunting trip? Add to your list of womanizers: General Dwight D. Eisenhower who wanted to divorce his wife to marry his British driver during WWII; General George S. Patton whose mistress was the heiress to the Duke family millions; General Douglas MacArthur who always had a young girlfriend on the side during his two legal marriages and who was more afraid of his mother finding out about his girlfriends than his wife. Add to your list of drunks: Winston Churchill who hardly ever put down the bottle during the entire duration of WWII.

            • 1 vote
            #7.3 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
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            JTM-890765

            He had his flaws. Some of the severe. But he (the rich guy) did more for the deprived, oppressed, and needy than we'll ever do.

            terrible headline. "last of the great irish dealmakers" - sorry irish, no more dealmakers from your country. what an odd thing to say.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#8 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:07 AM EDT
            KMartin1959

            Why did Fineman not say "Last of the Great American Dealmakers".

            I think he would claim his American roots before his Irish ancestry!

            • 2 votes
            #8.1 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:32 PM EDT
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            Tonce Marren

            I grew up in an Irish American household where two pictures were hung; One of the Catholic Pope and the other was one of the Kennedy brothers. A chapter of American politics ended as Ted Kennedy passed over into the Great Beyond of the Eternities. As Barack Obama intoned " Change--YES WE CAN" we all need to realize that part of "change" involves accepting and embracing new ways of leading and defining what America is about to the people of this country and to the nations of Planet Earth. I vote that the greatest work we as Americans should embark upon in a proactive manner is acknowledging how the three most powerful words of society are "WE THE PEOPLE"...Not many of us will be President nor create a movement like Martin Luther King.We owe it to ourselves and our future generations to become more aware of what is happening in this nation and demand greater accountability from elected leaders. Write letters to the Editor...rattle cages of Congressmen...join phone banks calling fence sitting voters in future elections...decide to support a candidate or run for office yourself...advocate a humanitarian cause...if House of Worship operations seems lame dont be afraid to step in and offer to serve somewhere that WILL create positive outcomes. Farewell Senator Kennedy; its time for Americans to step up and BUILD upon the many causes YOU were willing to stick YOUR neck out to champion.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#9 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:33 AM EDT
            Cat Woman

            Oh sure he was a great man, if you consider a murderer, womanizer and a drunk a great man. He never did anything that didn't help him and if you think otherwise you are only fooling yourself. He should have died in prison for murdering that girl.

              Reply#10 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:28 AM EDT
              Adela-884556

              Amen....and his brothers with him. Well they will stand for judgement soon and it will be (finally!!) by an unbiased and perfect Judge. As they deserved.

                #10.1 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:33 AM EDT
                AZPADDY

                Since you're apparently a fan of judgement, try this: "Judge not, lest ye be judged." "Judgement is mine sayeth the Lord".

                I knew conservatives think they speak for God, but I didn't know it was you!

                  #10.2 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:46 AM EDT
                  Joe M.-294004

                  Cat Woman: I guess you also believe that George Bush senior was a murderer for bailing out on the crewmen of the airplane he was flying in the Pacific and letting them crash into the ocean. Or maybe you consider George Bush junior to be a drunk because his wife said that his best friend was Jack Daniels. Should Dick Chaney be put in prison for attempted murder because he shot a friend in the face when they were on a drunken hunting trip? Add to your list of womanizers: General Dwight D. Eisenhower who wanted to divorce his wife to marry his British driver during WWII; General George S. Patton whose mistress was the heiress to the Duke family millions; General Douglas MacArthur who always had a young girlfriend on the side during his two legal marriages and who was more afraid of his mother finding out about his girlfriends than his wife. Add to your list of drunks: Winston Churchill who hardly ever put down the bottle during the entire duration of WWII.

                    #10.3 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:37 PM EDT
                    AZPADDY

                    Cat Woman

                    Didn't Laura Bush kill a young man when she ran a stop sign, outside the city, with no visual obstructions, just blew through an intersection, kills a young 17 year old boy......and doesn't even get a ticket??

                    And the damn "liberal press" asked no questions.

                      #10.4 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:10 AM EDT
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                      AZPADDY

                      Geez, Adela.

                      Why didn't you just write that you hate the Kennedys, instead of a 200 plus word phsyco-rant?

                        Reply#11 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:42 AM EDT
                        KMartin1959

                        She likes wasting the time of others!

                          #11.1 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:25 PM EDT
                          AZPADDY

                          Mainly her own, apparently.

                            #11.2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:03 AM EDT
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                            Chargerguy

                            Ted Kennedys style of Politics is one of the reasons the FED govt is such a mess.

                            This Idea that EVERYONE should get a slice of the govt PIE is the PROBLEM...not a solution..

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#12 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
                            Joe M.-294004

                            When I was a college student in Boston in the 1960's, I had to have an operation. I went to St. Elizabeth's hospital. It was one of the first hospitals to have a TV set in every room - free - no usage charge. It seems that JFK's mother, Rose, had stayed at the same hospital and realized that most patients stayed there completely bored and others would be distracted from their pain by watching TV. So, Rose Kennedy donated a free TV to every room in the hospital. This never reached the newspapers to my knowledge. That's an example of the Kennedy family care for ordinary people. And Rose never ran for any public office.

                              #12.1 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:11 PM EDT
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                              Chargerguy

                              JFK was a moderate to conservative Dem who cut taxes and believede in a Strong naitonal defense.

                              JFK believed part of the role of the United States was to help spread Liberty and Freedom around the world. IN 2009 liberals call this idea "war mongering" and "Neo con"

                              JFK ended his inaugural speech with this sentence:

                              "With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own."

                              Imagine if in 2009 a president said "her on earth god'swork must truly be our own"?

                              In 2009 Liberals and Dems would go nuts call any politician who said such a thing as a radical Christian and a danger to democracy.

                              In 2009 Ted kennedy would have called the policies and Ideas of JFK ....NEO CON War mongering..

                              JFK was a flawed by Great man.....Ted Kennedy was just a Flawed man who lived of the memory of his two older brothers...

                              I will laugh for days if Romney runs for Ted seat and wins....HAHAHAHAHA

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#13 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:55 PM EDT
                              Joe M.-294004

                              Probably will never happen. Anyone who has served as governor of a state would consider going to the Senate as a demotion. People usually go from the Senate to being governor as Jon Corzine of New Jersey did - never the other way. A governorship is one path to the Whitehouse. The Senate is another parallel path to the Whitehouse. Romney is way too conservative to be elected President now. He's like George Bush III. George Bush I was pushing for Jeb Bush to run for president - another lead baloon.

                              • 1 vote
                              #13.1 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:22 PM EDT
                              Chargerguy

                              Governorship is the Traditional path to WH..

                              Senators normally dont get elected...Barack and JFK the only two in this century to be elected to WH..

                                #13.2 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT
                                Joe M.-294004

                                Romney is an ex-governor, like Sarah Palin. Its a lot harder to get elected to any office when you're not currently in any office.

                                • 1 vote
                                #13.3 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:41 PM EDT
                                AZPADDY

                                Chargerguy's just blowin' smoke, taking the passing of a Kennedy as a chance to grandstand on newsvine.

                                Ghargerguy.......you couldn't carry Ted Kennedy's briefcase. Watch his funeral, Listen to the accolades from around the world. Take an example from Ted Kennedy and be better than you appear to be. Hate is a very heavy burden on the carrier.

                                  #13.4 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:54 AM EDT
                                  Joe M.-294004

                                  From a report broadcast on TV last night, it appears that Romney is a dead duck in Massachusetts. Even if he should decide to accept a demotion to Senator, Massachusetts voters are very unlikely to elect him again. Towards the end of his term as governor his popularity sank to all-time lows. He declined to run again for the office of governor and the woman he had personally selected to run for governor was soundly defeated in the election. It seems that all of the people who could be considered the shining stars in the Republican party are one-by-one falling by the wayside. Its a sad day when the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower has sunk so low and its only plans for the future are to obstruct and spoil the legitimate business of the US government. Reading the writings of Abraham Lincoln, one gets the immediate sense that todays Republican party has totally departed from the principles of Lincoln. Lincoln was a true Liberal in the best sense of the word.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #13.5 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:25 PM EDT
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                                  Joe M.-294004

                                  I find Howard Fineman's article a bit puzzling in that he uses the old stereotypes of the past concerning the Irish as if they have always been bartenders, priests, cops and firemen and except for the singular characters of the Kennedy family, they will slip back into mediocrity. In reality, a quiet evolution has occurred in America in which the influence of the Irish has become pervasive. The Irish are everywhere in America from the Supreme Court on down through every level of society. The Irish have held every important position in America. The first American astronauts to walk in space were an Irish-American man and woman. The Irish are scientists, scholars, judges, doctors, lawyers and every other profession. The influence in politics has always been strong and will only continue stronger - even if the name may not be Kennedy. The highest levels of the Pentagon now are often like a cluster of Irish-Americans talking to each other. This evolution may have been less noticed because many Irish names are not immediately recognized as Irish by people of other ethnic backgrounds. The Irish were at Bunker Hill, Valley Forge, Yorktown and the battle of the Alamo. They form the backbone of America. So, when you wonder sometimes how things will get done in America, don't worry - the Irish are at your side.

                                    Reply#14 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT
                                    AZPADDY

                                    In reading Fineman's article, I found he did credit the Irish influence as indelible to American society and in particular, politics.

                                    Read it again, and see if that isn't what he's writen.

                                      #14.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:57 AM EDT
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                                      Debbie-1242543

                                      Oh Teddy, harshest liberal there was, until Obama. Cheated in college, joined the service only to freak and get daddy to change his 4 year stint to 2, then avoided the korean war (my dad was in) and got stationed in Europe, then never got past the rank of private. O teddy, committed treason with Russia trying to get rid of Reagan so he could win the presidency and push his liberal agenda, caused the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, never apologized, ........Yeah. teddy, promoted abortion, socialism, big government, immoral values, known for liquor problems. Oh teddy, I'm only sorry you ever represented our country in anything. I'm also sick of the biased media from nbc and cbs and sometimes abc. SO glad we still have FOX for truth in news.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#15 - Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:32 PM EDT
                                      AZPADDY

                                      Yeah, those underachieving Kennedys. Unpatriotic Ted, who could have spent the rest of his life trying to get dirt on his political opponents ( like Nixon did to him ), traveling the world, laying around the vacation homes....but NO, HE had to mess things up by tirelessly championing the middle and underclass, those lazy liberals who fight your wars, pay the taxes, and build the nation.

                                      Why didn't he just mind his own business, right Debbie??

                                        #15.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:02 AM EDT
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                                        Greg K

                                        hag·i·og·ra·phy

                                        1. biography of saints.

                                        2. A worshipful or idealizing biography.

                                          Reply#16 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:06 AM EDT
                                          nothing new here-1200374

                                          And the reputation as a deal maker all began with law enforcement after the "pond incident"!!!

                                          I knew something good would come out of that event.

                                          Mary Jo participated in the making of a legend!!

                                            Reply#17 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:14 AM EDT
                                            Clementine H.

                                            As to their contributions political and humanist, and their Hollywood glamour, the Kennedys will have to be analyzed by astute historians of the future. The story of the Kennedys will fill the volumes of books to come as indeed it already has. What they tried to do, and what their destiny was are the two points of major interest.

                                              Reply#18 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT
                                              Greg K

                                              "With Kennedy’s death we have lost the last of that confident Irish ease — that gift for gab and the deal — and need to find it elsewhere, in some other ethnic tribe or immigrant group or groups."

                                              What a racist comment. I guess some people will never be able to get past the politics of race.

                                              Hey Howard - there are millions of Americans (yes, Americans) who have the ability to discuss, consider, question, and compromise, to reach an end that is intended to be beneficial to all. No one 'ethnic group' has a monopoly on such abilities.

                                                Reply#19 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:52 AM EDT
                                                Joe M.-294004

                                                I've heard on NBC TV this morning that Conservative hate groups are planning to carry out disruptive activities at the memorial ceremonies for Ted Kennedy. I see that the military honor guard is carrying rifles with fixed bayonnets. One can only hope that the bayonnets of the military honor guard are really sharp.

                                                Several Republican Senators are now wringing their hands and moaning that "if only Teddy had lived they could have come to a compromise on healthcare". These same Republican senators - just months ago all voted "No" to the Kennedy healthcare bill that came before congress. One wonders if the Republican party will ever lift itself up from its gutter tactics or will the American people find another alternative political party with an aversion to double-dealing, scare tactics and lying.

                                                  Reply#20 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT
                                                  AZPADDY

                                                  Keep in mind that one of those Senators is John Mccain, who rarely lets an opportunity to grandstand slip by. Remember the sudden trip back to D.C. for the "crisis" last year right before the election?

                                                  It's ironic indeed that the right wing militia types would be put in their place by real soldiers, isn't it?

                                                  They would have two chances against any active military troops - slim and none!

                                                  Aint that right, Cram?

                                                    #20.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:36 PM EDT
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                                                    Cram

                                                    I just popped open a cold Killain's Irish Red and had a toast to late Senator Edward "teddy" Kennedy.
                                                    I just might name my dog's scrodums after him. They kinda hang low and sag just like that poor ugly old bastard's face! I can see why they named him the "Ugly Stupid Kennedy" !!!

                                                      Reply#21 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
                                                      Cram

                                                      Here Ken-edddy go fetch this stick.... Dog jumps off bridge at chapaquiita and drowns.... Floats with his balls floating out of water

                                                        Reply#22 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT
                                                        Harold-569935

                                                        Fineman is as empty headed as all the people of Mass. must be for electing this trash bag, anti American piece of human debris to the senate for so long. It doesn't say anything about their lack of intelligence .

                                                          Reply#23 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:00 AM EDT
                                                          AZPADDY

                                                          Apparently, every one of the millions across the nation, including Fineman is "empty headed" huh? Thousands and thousands attend his services and come to Boston just to walk by his coffin.

                                                          Orrin Hatch, Nancy Reagan, The Irish Prime minister etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

                                                          And "their lack of intelligence" just pales in comparison to you?? LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

                                                            #23.1 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:29 AM EDT
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                                                            GRAFF

                                                            Another article to try and remind everyone of the so called kennedy dynasty. What a joke. Howard Fineman is an _ss kisser.

                                                              Reply#24 - Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:26 AM EDT
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