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Answer Desk: Housing's long climb back

Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT
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— Despite recent signs of improvement, the housing industry still faces a long road back. 

To the extent that housing led the economy into recession it’s hard to see how we get out of it without a recovery in housing. When that recovery comes, it will be from one of the deepest slumps in decades.

First, the good news. After a sickening 30 percent plunge in home prices since the market topped in mid-2006, the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller's U.S. National Home Price Index bumped up 3 percent in the second quarter — the first quarterly rise in three years. But prices are still down almost 15 percent from last year — at levels last seen in early 2003.

That price drop has left something like a third of homeowners with mortgages owing more than their house is worth. Which means that, unless prices begin rising strongly again, those people are stuck in their homes, unable to sell without writing a big check to the lender. Others may choose to “walk away,” sending another home to foreclosure where it will be sold by the lender or auctioned at a distressed price. Those foreclosure sales are going to make it tough for prices to recover quickly.

The glut of foreclosures also creates a huge inventory of existing homes that will weigh on demand for new homes. All home sales help boost the economy because when families move to a new home they typically make big purchases for new furniture and appliances, along with trips to the local home improvement center.

But the biggest economic boost comes from spending on new construction, which flows through home builders to many corners of the economy, from building supplies and fixtures to wages for construction workers (who then spend that money on other goods and services). Without a big pickup in construction, any economic recovery will be weak.

The latest piece of good news on that score — which has helped fuel speculation that the housing industry has “hit bottom” — came from the recent release of July data for housing starts. Using the Census Department formula overall construction fell by 1 percent, but single-family homebuilding rose 1.6 percent.

But when you take out the seasonal adjustment — designed to smooth out the impact on the data of forces like weather — the number of actual single-family homes built in July fell by 4 percent from the month before and by 20 percent from last July. So far this year, the total number of housing starts is running 46 percent below the comparable period last year.

Even when we start to see healthy percent gains in housing construction, the industry has a long way to go to get back to where it was even before the mid-decade building boom. After peaking in January 2007, roughly one in five construction jobs has been lost to the housing bust. The ongoing pullback in commercial building continues to weigh on the construction job market. And the housing slump has sidelined millions more workers in related fields — like real estate sales and mortgage lending. Unless that trend can be reversed, it’s hard to see how the housing industry can lead the economy back out of the recession it created.

I overheard a conversation on the golf course yesterday afternoon. The topic — of course — the overhaul of the health care system. This in itself had my hair stand on edge. I forced myself not to listen and minded my own business. Then the conversation went to “Have you heard that there will not be an increase in Social Security or disability payments this year?” This could not possibly be true, could it?
— Dan B., Maine

Unfortunately for the roughly 50 million people who depend on these payments, it’s very true.

Social Security recipients have gotten accustomed to an annual raise every year to try to help make ends meet and keep up with rising prices for everything from gasoline to groceries. But they won't be getting one next year.

Blame last year's sharp runup — and this year's subsequent decline — in oil prices for the first freeze on Social Security checks since cost of living increases were first introduced in 1975. That was the middle of a decade of raging inflation that took a big bite out of the spending power of people on fixed incomes like retirees.  With the same weekly check, retirees found they could buy less and less food with each trip to the grocery store.

As inflation surged, these cost of living adjustments helped restore lost buying power. By 1980, the so-called COLA peaked at 14.3 percent before the government finally jacked up interest rates and snuffed out the fires of inflation. By the mid-1980s, annual adjustments were down to low single digits. With inflation largely tame since them, these increases have been small.

The surge in oil prices boosted inflation and brought a 5.8 percent adjustment in 2009. But the retreat in prices this year means that, based on the consumer price index, prices overall are falling. No inflation, no cost of living adjustment.

In theory, that should have little impact on your spending power. If prices stay put, you can buy the same amount of stuff with last year’s check. In fact, some prices have fallen, giving you what amounts to a raise. (By law, Social Security benefits cannot go down.)

But older people spend more of their income on health care, where price rises continue to outpace the overall inflation rate. Many Social Security recipients also face an increase in the monthly premiums for the Medicare prescription drug program. Those payments are often deducted from Social Security checks.

Congress is not unaware of the problem, and representatives are going to be even more aware as millions of recipients learn the bad news that they're going to have to get by with less money. But given the already shaky state of the government's finances — both the White House and Congress are projecting record deficits — it's going to be difficult to find more to pay for increased benefits.

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Robbed SaverDeleted
roger-346045

when they bring back the jobs from Mexico & China,then maybe the housing will return,but never to the way it was,to much government involvement with it.Both republicans & Democrats created this mess they use each other to futher  more ways to dupe the public by blaming each other,when the banking was deregulated,it was unanimous by both parties.

    Reply#2 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:26 AM EDT
    Greg_S

    The Bush administration's job was to monitor lending practices, regulate them correctly, and push for tighter regulation where necessary. They did not. The reason that political parties want control over the dept agencies is for exactly that reason; to staff those agencies and to dictate policy based on what laws & regulations (if any) they want to enforce. The plan with the Bush admin was to let the financial industry do whatever it wanted. Don't ever be fooled into thinking that this or that law has those Depratmental Agencies hands tied and they are helpless... that is the biggest myth and cop out in government.

      #2.1 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:54 AM EDT
      MartyinLA

      How about thinking in this milleneum? We can create many new green high paying jobs in this country by installing wind/solar, etc. Also, please remember that Google and Hewlet Packard invented billion dollar companies OUT OF A GARAGE in suburban California! We've got the smarts and resources.

        #2.2 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:26 PM EDT
        Trevor-1973

        Building more houses when there is a glut isn't the answer, it was a lot of the problem however.

        How about producing something that can be used? Or maybe exported to be some of the trillions of dollars back?

        Producing for the sake of producing is worse than sitting on your duff drinking a Duff.

          #2.3 - Wed Dec 9, 2009 8:46 AM EST
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          Tim Vining

          In my opinion housing has a long way yet to fall particularly if lenders use prudent lending principles. Utilizing the median wage as a guide to estimating the median home price is in indication of what median home price should be. Thus, what can median wage earner afford? Assuming $45,000 median wage, less 30%withholding equates to a monthly take home salary of $2,625. Say 40% of takehome is spent for mortgage or $1,050/mo. Leaving $1,625 month for groceries, utilities, automobile, clothing, etc. Based on a 30 year, 6% fixed rate mortgage a purchaser could afford $175,000 mortgage.

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          Reply#3 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:56 AM EDT
          Greg_S

          "wages for construction workers "

          A large percentage of those workers are illegals.

            Reply#4 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT
            adrac

            did i read the second question right? a guy at a golf course complaining his social security isn't going to go up this year? he must really be hurting, i feel really bad for this retiree who doesn't want anyone but him to get help (medicare and social security for me? yay! health care for everyone else and social security for my grandchildren? i can't even listen to that discussion). this really makes me lose respect for the older generation who somehow feel they are entitled to certain things that the rest of us working stiffs are not. oh well...

              Reply#5 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT
              Truth Teller-319220

              I agree, older people do seem to have some right of entitlement. They do not seem to care that when they were paying into Soc Sec that it was assumed they wouldn't live as long--but instead of agreeing to take a paycut--they are blaming everybody else. It is sad. It seems like he is trying to also mention that he is against a change in medicare as well. Yeah thats awful nice of you to not care about future generations (including your kids)

              • 1 vote
              #5.1 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT
              Jerry-352313

              Tell you what there Mr, TRUTH TELLER, You are right on the money, we don't care.

              Just like this Insurance plan, Obama is trying to cram down out throats, SS and medicare was crammed down our throats, and we paid in on both of them, for over 40 years, had no choice didn;t want it still they took my money, all of it.

              Talk to your democrat politicians tey were the ones that tookthe money out of the ss fund, moved into the general fund and used it to pay for Lyndon Johnson's Great Society program, I opened an Ira in 1966, put in the amount they took in SS, won't to guess which way I would be better off.

              Tell you what, you jusy give me back, what I paid in SS and medicare and I'll sign off on right now.

              Why wouldn't we blame someone else, the only choice we had was to pay it every week, so sdo you think i'ts our fault.

              Tell you, cut cut all of those parasite programs, the ones they started with social security funds first, then I'll agree to a cut.

              You know, welfare, WIC, Negative income taxes, low interest student loans, Fha ,1st time home owner loans .

              • 2 votes
              #5.2 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT
              12345-908903

              adrac and Truth Teller. Don't be so hard on the elderly. Do you know that the average SS check is approx. $1,050 per month. Of course, some people who made a lot of money during their working lives get more but the max. anyone gets is approx. $2,400. $1,050/month = $12,600 per annum. $2,400 x 12 = $28,800. Most people fall far below the maximum SS check. Would you like to try to live on $12,600 a year (assuming you never made enough money in your entire working life to put some aside for retirement savings)? If you also purchase Parts A & B to medicare, that's another $200/month going out and you haven't even got started yet. What if you had rent. If you are lucky you own your own home outright but I bet a lot of people don't. You must have utilities - $50 Minimum; water - $20 minimum; phone - $60 min.; gas for the car - $40 min. Say you have minimum $370 going out every month x 12 = $4,440. subtract that from the original $12,600 and you are left with $8,160 or $680 per month for everything else you might need. Food would require almost that amount of money for a month. The elderly have paid into the system all their working lives. It is not their fault that the cost of living keeps rising and they are forced to live on a fixed income. And, they have to pay the IRS taxes on their SS income. You people need to stop acting like old folks are getting something for nothing. Mostly they are getting very little for all their effort throughout their lives - at a time when they need it most. Your turn is coming. You will find out for yourselves. If the politicians had kept the SS and medicare funds in trust, as they were supposed to do, both programs would be well funded now.

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              #5.3 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
              karen Willoughby

              Don't forget EARNED INCOME CREDIT, free gov't checks (up to several thousand) available for young low-earners who are raising children. Also, social security benefits being paid out to children who have lost one parent, also pays 4 years of the childs college. Social Security supports young people on disability. In reality, "OLD people" have contributed the most into the system by far, especially older baby boomers who are now in their late fifties and early sixties.

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              #5.4 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:16 PM EDT
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              duetsu

              the cash for clunkers program was the success it was because everyone could partake in it.... all you needed was an old car..... do a similiar program for the housing industry, like the $8000 tax credit, but do it for anyone wanting to buy a house. When this program is open to all people, you will see an increase at the Home Improvement stores, Appliance makers, carpet suppliers, etc the list goes on.....

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              Reply#6 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT
              Michele-366934

              I'm not too sure I'd be applauding the Clunker program just yet. Dealers haven't received the promised funding from the gov't. yet and until that happens I'm not ready to agree it was a success. Never know what's going to happen when the federal government gets involved. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Dealers ended up with a fraction of what was promised.

                #6.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:38 AM EDT
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                Hooridian2

                Government and many in the private sector seem to equate recovery to a return to previous housing prices. It could be many years if ever before we see this. If they do regain the prior levels it will likely be due to a weaker dollar. Home prices were unrealistic before the bubble burst, now we should accept a more sustainable growth. The same can be said for consumer spending in general. It will take years to pay the debt overload that many people took on. Because of this, many people will never again spend beyond their income. They have been burned with the buy now pay later mentality and are now changing their ways.

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                Reply#7 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 PM EDT
                Jerry-352313

                Exactly

                  #7.1 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
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                  tigermania-1026265Deleted
                  frantwo

                  Charles Krauthammer

                  Dr. Krauthammer is on Fox News. He is an M.D. and a lawyer and has been paralyzed since an accident in 1972. He is a syndicated columnist and a prominent political commentator. He is a fiscal conservative and has received a Pulitzer Prize for his writing. He is a frequent contributor to Fox News and writes weekly for the Washington Post.

                  A friend went to hear Charles Krauthammer. He listened with 25 others in a closed room. What he says here, is not 2nd-hand but 1st. The ramifications are staggering for us, our children and their children.

                  Last Monday was a profound evening, hearing Dr. Charles Krauthammer speak to the Center for the American Experiment. He is brilliant intellectual, seasoned & articulate. He is forthright and careful in his analysis, and never resorts to emotions or personal insults. He is NOT a fear monger, alarmist nor an extremist in his comments and views.

                  The entire room was held spellbound during his talk. I have summarized his comments below. We are truly living in uncharted waters - economically and globally. Even 2 Dems at my table agreed with everything he said!

                  If you feel like forwarding this to those who are open minded and have not drunk the Kool-Aid, feel free.

                  Summary of his comments:

                  1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask. The taking down of the Clinton dynasty by a political neophyte was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

                  2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton. He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

                  3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change 20 everything, including dismantling capitalism. He can’t be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along. He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment of the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA on Great Britain or Canada .

                  4. His three main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, and NATIONAL HEALTHCARE by the Federal government. He doesn't care about the auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap and trade will add costs to everything and stifle growth. Paying for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is his healthcare program, because if you make it FREE and add 46,000,000 people to=2 0a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go through the roof. The only way to control costs is with massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada and Great Britain .

                  5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial services, banking and other industries. This obviously can’t work in the long run. Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does, not what he says.

                  6. Obama doesn’t really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their agendas. He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America , as an imperialist nation that has been

                  arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors. This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!

                  7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is reelected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Dr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.

                  8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. Republicans are pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state’s rights.

                  9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don’t have. This could lead to hyperinflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into 20 prosperity. The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bailouts didn’t work nor the stimulus package. These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama’s allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

                  10. The election was over in mid-September when Lehman brothers failed, fear and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally. Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.

                  11. In 2012, if the unemployment rate is over 10%, Republicans will be swept back into power. If it's under 8%, the Dems continue to roll. If it's between 8-10%, it will be a dogfight. It will all be about the economy. I hope this gets you really thinking about what's happening in Washington and Congress. There is a left-wing revolution going on, according to Krauthammer, and he encourages us to keep the faith and join the loyal resistance. The work will be hard, but we’re right on most issues and can reclaim our country before it's far too late.

                  Do yourself a long term favor, send this to all who will listen to an intelligent assessment of the big picture. All our futures and children's futures depend on our good understanding of what is really going on in DC, and our action pursuant to that understanding!! It really IS up to each of us to take individual action!! Start with educating your friends and neighbors!!!

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                  Reply#9 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:26 PM EDT
                  Marie485962

                  Sorry frantwo...your assessment of Charles Krauthammer as an intellectual who does not resort to fear-mongerings is totally incorrect. All I have to do is read what you quoted him as saying. Perfect example: "...Obama came to Washington...to dismantle capitalism...??" Please, that is the most subjective statement I ever heard. If this is supposed to be an objective statement based on fact, where is the proof to back it up? It is instead a twisting of the truth, as all fear-mongers are so capable of doing.

                  Any move the Obama administration has made against our capitalist economy is due to the very fact that it is flawed. Capitalism is driven by greed. That is a given as most humans will not behave in a moral or ethical way without laws or regulations to guide them. All you have to do is pick up a history book or have lived through the last 20 years to know that!! And who suffers for all that...all us regular folks who just want to live our regular lives and raise our families with some measure of financial security. Who gains? Those who corrupt the system to indulge in their greed. Obama is right to put the brakes on that. America is supposed to stand for something...basic human rights with a chance to make our lives better. With Wall Street running things, that will never happen. Charles Krauthammer and all his Fox News associates are too much a part of that corruption to see the forest for the trees and recognize what needs to be done to set us back on the right course. And obviously so are you...

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                  #9.1 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:55 PM EDT
                  12345-908903

                  frantwo - Don't forget that the fiscal policies are not Obama's but are those of Bernanke, Geithner, and their ilk. Charles Krauthammer is extremely articulate and he does insult other people. I see him on Washington Week every Sunday. I didn't know he worked with the Fox network although I should have since he always criticizes the democracts. This makes him less credible.

                    #9.2 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
                    Jerry-352313

                    Great post Fran, Thanks. I agree with you, looking at Mr Obama's action, it's obvious he is not concerned about money and that indeed wealth redistribution is his qame.

                    If you tie his actions into the fact, that a young represenative from NY, has recently introduced a bill to repeal the 22nd amendment.

                    Conservatives have a lot of blame to shoulder, many of us looked at having to vote for J McCain or Barak Obama and we just stayed home. However, I think it's safe to say, that we can look for record conservative turnouts,in 2010 and 2012.

                    I really don't see a leading candidate on the republican side, but, I do think, that Mickey mouse will get my vote, if he runs against Barak Obama, this time.

                    I also, think, it's time we clean up the mess the parasitic liberals have made , always before after we ran the liberals out of town, we pretty much left all of their leech programs in place,this time, alot of those will go away.

                      #9.3 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:06 PM EDT
                      Michele-366934

                      Fran - Try to stay on track here. The issue is housing, not what some Democrat thinks of Obama.

                        #9.4 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:41 AM EDT
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                        BubbaGumb

                        Sept 31\Oct1st a change is made in the goverment of USA. A financial change. I new law comes into effect or goes out of effect. Oct 1st is the beginning of the fiscal year for the USA Governement. Now go back to Oct 1st 2007. Look at the economy on a chart spaning 5 years. Look at Down Jones, NASDAQ, S&P, NYSE. All of them take a dive on this specific date and the economy begins its down trend, long before the public broadcasted the house bubble or crash. The financial change in our economy was USA GOVERNMENT Induced!!!! I dont know what they did. I one little bug on a rug, but its completely obvious by this date, they did something that effected the entire economy.

                          Reply#10 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:04 PM EDT
                          Frankie B-1304674

                          First; the articles were very depressing.

                          Second; Charles Krauthammer has some interesting points of view sometimes. However, he and one of the commenters always seem to have many critisms and very few specifice on how problems cann be solved.

                          I am open to alternative iideas, but i am turned off by critism and personal attack.

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                          Reply#11 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
                          johna-363886

                          I am a realtor in Vegas, the amount of homes being sold here is a record, over 5000 last month and that is just resale. The problem being that the average price is probably under a hundred thousand dollars. All of the trash homes are going away but the next wave of forclosures are going to be expensive homes because of all the people that have lost their jobs. This is going to hurt the housing market because these homes will find few buyers and this will depress the market even further. The banks are not working with people out here at all, very few loan modifications because the homes have lost over 50 percent of their value. The economy is not getting any better here nor will it anytime soon and nothing that this administration has done is helping.

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                          Reply#12 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT
                          Michele-366934

                          We have the same problem in Florida. I live in a relatively small subdivision - 142 homes. Of those, 12 have been foreclosed in the last two years. 10 more are currently in some phase of FC. To top that off, 42 homeowners have neglected to pay the annual HOA assessment, leaving the rest of us to wonder how the subdivision bills will be paid and just what type of environment we'll be left living in.

                            #12.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:44 AM EDT
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                            Say_What

                            MSNBC reported Sales (as in units) were up last week 9.65%. But you had to read the article to see PRICE was still declining. I agree w/ Vegas Realtor. Next is the $300k + market. And jsut like author said, more and more people will walk away from their homes. Even people w/ jobs! Why? They will realize they are making payments they can barely afford on an asset that could take decades to recover. I'm not saying they will file for BK, just walk away. Who cares about your credit report? Save $100k or more.

                              Reply#13 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT
                              jj-1146099

                              "That price drop has left something like a third of homeowners with mortgages owing more than their house is worth."

                              Why should any homeowner be concerned about the current worth/value of their home? When they bought it they agreed to a price, obviously to them the house was worth it then. I hope that the people who "walk away" never get the chance to buy a home again. No bank should be willing to lend them money again.

                                Reply#14 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT
                                Andyb-300124

                                But they will lend to them.

                                Just like a credit card issuer who will let you go on and on paying minimums until you die.

                                They make more money on late fees, and high interest rates than on customers that pay off their balances each billing cycle.

                                  #14.1 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:49 PM EDT
                                  Michele-366934

                                  I can kind of go along with that. You do have to live somewhere so it may as well be the house you purchased at an inflated price. I do believe that if you bought for the long term, meaning you planned to stay for about 10 years, you'll be okay. However, if you bought thinking you'd sell in a couple years, you may need to re-think that strategy.

                                    #14.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:55 AM EDT
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                                    FLORIDA-402300

                                    Andyb-and many others I agree with you. Banks are in control-they even have the FDIC in their pockets-all the while the FDIC insures all depositors-they cover the Banks a--es too.
                                    Experts -ha big joke when I read so many conflicting "Expert" opinions.  Banks have sold all their mortgages, in huge Securities packages, Investors that bought them are crying foul, even to States Attys class action suits on these banks, they are suing to stop mortgage modifications because they lose money. Servicers of these exotic, toxic predatory,mortgages make more money receiving Gov. fees Late fees, Attorney Fees,
                                    resell fees- the longer they drag out foreclosure the more they get paid by the Government and banks to continue the pretense of modifications.  Hundreds of Banks are closing-Countrywide Home Loans/Bank of America
                                    is considering Bankruptcy to be decided before December when all their class action suits must be settled-remember we gave them a huge Bailout ! Vicious circle while thousands of people are homeless. All of these people could not have been idiots and bought more
                                    than they can afford. They listened to their Bankers, Brokers, Realtors, Appraisers & Investment Advisors, all EXPERTS. I have been following these issues very closely on MSN and CSPAN. Recently it seems that there is less MSN reports on BofA-uhhhhhhoh I see that Bank of America is a huge advertiser on MSN now. Banks have us all in their pockets, our Politicians too and we should prepare for many more "too big to fail" banks going under or getting more bailouts.

                                      Reply#15 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 3:54 PM EDT
                                      AnneR

                                      This article misses the most prominent fact - GOVERNMENT BANK / INVESTOR / GREED POLICIES CAUSED THIS TO HAPPEN. My home lost value of over $300,000 that was going to be a part of my retirement package, now a distant dream. I am one who owes almost as much as house worth.

                                      Will someone explain to me how a house can lose $300k in 1 year. Banks set the value of homes by what they will loan, hence, if they devalue properties by what they will loan, they have taken the entire market into the dumper for money. We are in trouble, people.

                                        Reply#16 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
                                        Cassandra-773719

                                        By all MEANS let's give the seniors their Medicare and Social Security taxes back...and let them try to buy health insurance on their own.

                                          Reply#17 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:14 PM EDT
                                          nothing new here-1200374

                                           

                                          Not to worry. We are going to save so much on healthcare that the housing market tanking will not even phase the economy.

                                            Reply#18 - Wed Sep 9, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
                                            Bobbym

                                            I really am thinking about leaving this country,I am so sick and tired of people blaming everyone but the ones who should be blamed.And that is Bush and Cheney.... PERIOD.But yet I don,t see one New York newspaper writing about that,or much of anything except Roger Vick and either Lindsey Lohan,Paris Hilton, or Brittney Spears. The media can turn peoples heads and opinions but scince Bush got into power ten years ago the newspapers have all become like the National Enquierer and the Star. God help us all.We are in trouble now and were warned about voting for the Bush team years ago by several people.Well those who did ,hope you like what you voted for.Now deal with it.

                                              Reply#19 - Wed Sep 9, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
                                              Bobbym

                                              The entire Bush and Cheney team should be put on trial for this mess,wouldn,t that be justice.

                                                Reply#20 - Wed Sep 9, 2009 7:49 PM EDT
                                                ColliDeleted
                                                notgonnatakeit

                                                i guess people were sleeping, or have selective hearing and or memory. b.o. was asked at more than one online townhall meeting.: what will you do to stop the outsourcing of jobs and when will they be coming back? he said those jobs are not coming back. and we do not want those kind of jobs. we need to reeducate our workforce. tuition rates jumped 15% in my state. he did say that we could create 5million "new" jobs in the green energy industry, all it would take is "leadership" in washington. i remember thinking: wow there are over 5million people on unemployment and over half of a million joining the ranks of the unemployed every month. how can you expect a recovery in housing when nearly a quarter of the workforce is un or under employed?

                                                  Reply#22 - Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:44 AM EDT
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