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States send mixed message on texting and driving

Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:46 PM EDT
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Andrew DeMillo, Associated Press
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<p>A bill board that encourages people not to text while they drive is shown in the northside of Indianapolis, Thursday, Sept. 17, 2009. Indiana drivers under age 18 are banned from using a cell phone while driving. (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)</p>

A bill board that encourages people not to text while they drive is shown in the northside of Indianapolis, Thursday, Sept. 17, 2009. Indiana drivers under age 18 are banned from using a cell phone while driving. (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)

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— Fiddling with your iPhone behind the wheel can get you fined across much of the nation. But many states are more than happy to tweet you with up-to-the-minute directions on how to steer clear of a traffic jam.

It is a mixed signal that some safety experts and politicians say could be dangerous.

At least 22 states that ban texting while driving offer some type of service that allows motorists to get information about traffic tie-ups, road conditions or emergencies via Twitter.

"You shouldn't be fiddling around with any kind of electronic gadget in your car while driving," said Minnesota state Rep. Frank Hornstein, who helped write his state's no-texting-while-driving law.

Nineteen states and the District of Columbia have banned all texting while driving, and eight others prohibit texting by younger drivers only, according to the Governors Highway Safety Association.

Many of these laws essentially bar people from fooling with their smart phones in any way behind the wheel; in some cases, just reading from a mobile device is against the law.

Some supporters of text-messaging bans say that states that provide traffic information via Twitter are undermining these laws.

"I would guess that the states wouldn't intend to be sending a mixed message, but it sounds like it could be a mixed message," said Judie Stone, president of the Washington-based Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety.

State transportation officials say they are not encouraging people to get online behind the wheel. They say drivers should read their tweets before hitting the road.

In Washington state, for example, where citizens and transportation officials can exchange messages about the latest traffic, the feed includes regular reminders not to use the service while driving. "Know before you go," said one feed this week.

Drivers should "check our Web site before leaving. If you're at your office, before you leave and there's an issue on the roadway, it might alter your travel plans home," said Randy Ort, spokesman for the Arkansas Highway and Transportation Department.

The Arkansas ban on texting while driving goes into effect Oct. 1; this week, the state became the latest to provide road conditions via Twitter, the microblogging service that lets people read and send messages of 140 characters or fewer.

Other places offering traffic information via Twitter include: California, Colorado, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Virginia.

The apparent conflict results from two arms of government with seemingly good intentions: transportation departments that want to help motorists cope with traffic, and legislatures that are worried about the deadly consequences of distracted driving.

While Washington state lets motorists tweet about traffic conditions, in most states the flow of information is one-way — from state officials to drivers. Some states, such as New York and Indiana, send lots of up-to-the-minute information. Others just tweet intermittently, or reserve Twitter for emergencies. Mississippi, for example, intends to use its service during hurricane evacuations.

Maine has employed Twitter only to update drivers on an interstate highway project in the Portland area. Nebraska plans to use Twitter during winter weather emergencies. Oregon officials notify drivers about emergency road closings only.

"We don't want people reading their tweets while they're driving," said Sally Ridenour, spokeswoman for the Oregon Department of Transportation.

In Washington state, the 6,200 users can also request estimated travel times, mountain pass reports and waiting times at the Canadian border. Some users apparently just want to chat.

"Got home, got changed, now heading back to seattle for the Mariners game. Keep the roads clear for me on I90 (at)WSDOT :-)," one user posted in late August. The reply from transit officials? "No promises, but we will do our best :) Enjoy the game!"

Others want to know why traffic isn't moving. "wsdot any idea what's going on westbound on 520? it's worse than rush hour..," a user posted. Within a few minutes, officials responded: "Yes! There is a disabled vehicle just east of Lk Wash Blvd blocking right lane."

That kind of exchange, if conducted by drivers behind the wheel, troubles some safety experts.

"If you're sitting there and trying to update the world on the congestion you're in, you could be part of a collision," said Fairley Mahlum, spokeswoman for the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. "Did it really matter that you needed to tell everyone and their brother what the situation is? It's just not really not worth it."

The dangers of texting and driving are well documented. The Virginia Tech Transportation Institute found in July that when truck drivers texted, their risk of a collision was 23 times greater. Dialing a cell phone and using or reaching for an electronic device raised the risk of collision about six times in cars and trucks.

A 17-year-old Eureka, Ill., high school student was killed in June when she drove off the road while sending a message to friends. A train wreck in California last year left 25 people dead, including the train operator, who was texting at the time.

Seattle resident Aaron Woo often checks traffic conditions on his phone using the Twitter feed from the state's transportation department — sometimes, he said, while driving.

"I try not to use my phone at certain miles per hour," the 25-year-old said. "I try to be smart when I'm using my phone when I'm driving."

Washington resident Eric Zinn said he, too, checks the Twitter traffic updates on his phone, though usually not when he is driving.

Does he worry other people will be doing it behind the wheel?

"They're too busy eating doughnuts and shaving their eyebrows and screaming at their kids," he said. "There's plenty of things to keep you distracted."

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Associated Press writers Brian Bakst in St. Paul, Minn., David Lieb in Jefferson City, Mo., Emily Wagster Pettus in Jackson, Miss., and Curtis Woodward in Olympia, Wash., and Manuel Valdes in Seattle contributed to this report.

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R. Donald Snyder

I was driving down Olympic Blvd one afternoon here in L.A. a couple of weeks ago and some kid (early 20's) went zipping by, speeding, barely missing sideswiping us and weaving in and out of his lane. My wife and I both thought he was drunk, but when we pulled up alongside of him at a red light we could see he was texting! When the light turned green he didn't move until the car behind him laid on the horn and then he took off like a bat out of hell while looking down at whatever he was texting on, again weaving all over the place. I pulled over and waited until he got several blocks ahead before taking off again as I didn't want to be anywhere near this jerk. Here's hoping that when he finally does get into a wreck no one else is hurt....just him!

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
Ellen-for-Obama

I don't think it's a mixed message. It should be obvious to people that they shouldn't be doing anything distracting like dialing, texting, reading maps, eating, etc. while driving.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
B Wall

Agreed! When you are DRIVING... you should be DRIVING.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:00 PM EDT
blaze1024

At least 22 states that ban texting while driving

What stupid laws!

Banning anyone and everyone from using electronic devises while driving simply because a dozen or so morons caused a few accident is the equivalent of banning all guns because a few dozen people accidentally hurt someone while being careless with a firearm.

What are they going to propose next? a Ban on mobile ham radio use ?

Interestingly enough Morris code is the oldest and probably the most efficient form of electronic or RF texting in use.

I have had a mobile radio station installed in my vehicles for over 30 years. I might use the station to talk to an expedition at one of the Poles or someone in Italy. Or I might just be communicating with someone a few states away. Sometimes I use voice (microphone) but most of the time I have a CW (morris code) paddle strapped to my leg and am sending code at 30wpm while hurling down the freeway at 65 mph.

It should be obvious to people that they shouldn't be doing anything distracting like dialing, texting, reading maps, eating, etc. while driving.

Your kidding right ? I guess some of us are intelligent enough and have developed minds sharp enough to do more then one simple task at a time. I'm far more concerned and scared of the drivers who's ability's are so limited that driving requires 100 percent of their mental capability's. I'm even more scared of all these geriatric drivers who climb behind the wheel while on dozens of prescription drugs.

Oh by the way, You forgot to add a detractions to your list. Such as turning on windshield wipers, checking your speedometer, tachometer or fuel gauge, looking in rear view mirrors or how about listening and singing along to music and talking, breathing.......

Speed does not kill, Differential speed kills!

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:13 PM EDT
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a_long

This text service for traffic jams was not a good idea. To tempt people to try to read a tiny cell phone screen while driving is really irresponsible.

Why not just have one frequency in all major metropolitan areas devoted to a traffic and weather "beacon" broadcast? It could even be a universal frequency, similar to 911 for phones, so you don't have to search in an unfamiliar city. Then all you have to do is pre-set one of your radio buttons.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:34 PM EDT
Rick_VT

Many areas in the north east have signs on the highways listing an AM frequency to tune into for driving information. This is a hands-free solution and using low power transmitters - information that is relevant only to the section of the road you are on.

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:25 PM EDT
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belle42

Here's an idea -- hand the phone to someone else in the car and have THEM read the information to you. It isn't illegal for a passenger to tweet/text/etc!

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:49 PM EDT
R. Donald Snyder

When I'm driving I have my cell phone turned off. If anyone wants to call, they can leave a message.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:17 PM EDT
illuminoidal

This is a sound idea except that in many places I go, there's more often than not only one person in each car, otherwise we wouldn't bother with having HOV lanes and other incentives for people to share commutes.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:02 PM EDT
blaze1024

When I'm driving I have my cell phone turned off. If anyone wants to call, they can leave a message.

Hmm using that logic maybe police officers should turn off their radios while driving. We sure would not want them causing fatal accidents because a dispatcher distracted them. Same goes for all those fighter and airline pilots maybe they should all turn off their navigation and communications equipment so they can concentrate on flying instead of being distracted by all those electronic gadgets .

I guess the bottom line is some of us have utilized daily mental exercise to develop sharp minds capable of doing more then one simple task at a time. If talking and driving is so difficult for some, then maybe those with can't handle it should not be given drivers license's to begin with. To be honest I'm far more scared of people who believe they need 100 percent of their mental capabilitys to do something as simple as drive a car.

  • 1 vote
#4.3 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:33 PM EDT
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Michael Murray

How does the fact that traffic updates are available via Twitter imply that you must get them while you are driving? I don't think that is a mixed message at all... it would be useful and safe to get an update on your phone right before you hit the road.

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:50 PM EDT
Rick_VT

Because people that are frequent (addicted) users of text messaging are also the ones that automatically stop whatever they are doing to check to see what they've gotten every-time the "new message" sound goes off. This includes their stopping their attention to the road - even though they are in traffic at 60 miles per hour - to check the little screen because it "might be something important".

When is the last time you actually purposely planned your evening commute home?

The technology isn't yet available for your car to receive twitters that are only relevant to the road you're on and the time/date you're driving on it AND able to speak those message to you so you don't have to take your eyes off the road. Currently, you need to locate, pick-up and activate a small 2 1/2 x 5 inch device and read off it's even smaller screen.

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:20 PM EDT
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blaze1024

Common sense, that I presume Americans have, makes no excuses for stupidity, one look away from the road and you're a murderer and is what I call it

So is a Police officer and a Firefighter a murderer when they are involved in a fatal accident because they where distracted by talking on their two way radios or while using their laptops and cell phones. Or are you only a murderer if you're a civilian who causes the same type of accident.

You do realize there are quite a few people in this world who are more then capable of doing more then one simple task at time. People such as airtrafic controllers, computer programmers, Airline pilots, Chefs .......

The bottom line is maybe every driving test should include a multitasking test. A test like this would ensure that people who need 100 percent of all their mental ability to drive are not given drivers licence's.

A perfect example of the type of personality who can easily do more then one task complex or otherwise at a time are Chefs.

I own 5 restaurants two here in the states and three in Europe. My executive Chefs never fail to amaze me. Even at my advanced age I consider myself an excellent multitasker yet I could never do what they do. Sure I helped develop most off our dishes and could easily prepare everything my executive chefs can. But that's not what I'm talking about. Have you ever seen a Chef in a 4 or 5 star restaurant prepare and coordinate 2,3 maybe 4 dozen complex dish's simultaneously all while timing the dish's so that each table receives all its orders at the same time. It is a work of art.

These men are the very definition of accomplished multitaskers. I would not hesitate trusting them behind the wheel while texting and eating at the same time.

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:08 PM EDT
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blaze1024

but when you text messaging and drive, are you then using your toes, to stear the car ????

When I send code I have a Morris code paddle strapped to my leg. I use a device similar to the chart holder that's strapped to my leg when I fly. Did I mention I have a rotary wing ticket. Anyhow I can then use two fingers to send code. I use something like this http://www.cwtouchkeyer.com/P1W.htm

Except mine is homebrew which means I built and designed it myself.

My problem with this whole issue is that it's such a ridiculously small problem that its not worth the effort to mess with. Why are we dealing with an issue that only causes a few dozen accidents a year when there are much more dangerous issues that are totally ignored costing many more lives each year

I personally think we should bring back random safety inspections You know where they randomly check brakes,tires, headlights....... Far more people are killed each year because of faulty breaks and tires then die because of texting,

They should also add geriatric prescription medications to whats considered driving while impaired. How about fatigue? more people die each year as the result of drivers who are fatigued then die of all other combined causes. Maybe we should setup road blocks and check peoples alertness, Maybe we should have laws that state you can't drive if you have not slept 8 hours in the last 24 or have been awake more then 16 hours without 8 hours rest.

Yet with all these other major concerns why all this focus on texting ? Why is it mostly the geriatrics who seem hell bent on stopping it? Could it be that technology intimidates them and they get frustrated and mad when they see others utilizing tools that perplex them.

  • 1 vote
#7.3 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:22 PM EDT
Rick_VT

There is a big difference between cooking a bunch of different entrees and driving a car in the types and inter-relations of mental processes going on. Your sauteed salmon for table 13 is never going to cut off the pasta for table 2 and crash into the fois gras your working for table 9. (At least until your waitstaff in in the weeds and messes up.)

Likewise, one can't equate a professionally trained driver such as a police officer to say, a young boy or girl that has only had their license a few months and not have a conclusion that one is by far a greater risk.

Finally, a recent read a study showed that people that were the most into "multi-tasking" were actually the worst at actually doing it.

  • 1 vote
#7.4 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:26 PM EDT
blaze1024

There is a big difference between cooking a bunch of different entrees and driving a car in the types and inter-relations of mental processes going on.

Yeah driving is far easier. If you think it's more complex then maybe you're the one who should not be driving. I'm not a young man I'm well into my late 60's. I have been using two way communications in my cars, aircraft and boats for over 30 years. I have never been involved in a collision but I have avoided many. The most important trick to use when driving is not to watch the car in front of you but to watch 3 or 4 cars ahead of the car in front of you.

Likewise, one can't equate a professionally trained driver such as a police officer

Puleeezzzzz.. I am a former LEO and I have gone through more then one tactical drivings course. I can tell you first hand the amount of time spent on communications while driving is pretty pathetic about 10 min or so. To be honest the tactical driving that most LEO officers receive is pretty much a joke. I learned far more in the private classes I paid for out of my own pocket then I did at the academy. The truth is most ham radio or civilian pilots get more radio training then LEO.

  • 1 vote
#7.5 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:49 PM EDT
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blaze1024

Well as long you didn't misunderstood my statement either, I don't believe there neccesary have to be a law on the topic, I think common sense should be applyed.

I agree, My whole point is we don't need special laws on the books for texting and cell phone use we already have plenty of laws covering distracted driving.

If we are going to spend the time and money creating new laws to make the roads safer then lets create some laws that will really help save lives not waste time and tax payer dollars with a few feel good laws. Banning cell phones and texting while driving is nothing more then a feel good law that does little to save lives.

What amazes me is how so many people think that driving is so difficult that it requires 100 percent of everyone mental power. Come on! we are not talking about the Le mans 24 hour rally or auto rotating a helicopter, or doing a hovering pedal turn or landing a fighter on the deck of a aircraft carrier. We are simply talking about your daily rush hour commute. Personally I would be highly embarrassed to admit that this is what I considered to be a task that required tremendous amounts of skill and concentration.

  • 1 vote
#7.8 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:34 PM EDT
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illuminoidal

Texting while driving can turn an LOL into a great big OMG. Just ask Katie Couric and the fellas from Auto-Tune the News...

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:38 PM EDT
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Nan-813417

"mixed messages" OHHH NOOOOOOO. [brain locks up]

  • 1 vote
Reply#10 - Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:33 AM EDT
Rick_VT

blaze1024 - have you ever had to make an evasive maneuver to avoid someone that was texting while driving and swerved into your lane? Have you seen the people that have problems making a right hand turn on a city street when the light changes and they only have one hand to turn the wheel bcause the other is holding a phone to their mouth - they swing really wide and jerk, jerk around the turn? Have you ever watched someone make a sudden lane change because their turn came up but they had been too distracted on the phone to get into the correct lane ahead of time? Have you driven by situations where a driver was rear-ended because the person following wasn't paying attention?

There have been plenty of studies showing that someone chatting on a cell phone or worse text messaging - are more impaired in their driving that someone at the legal limit for alcohol.

While I don't doubt that you are in the top 5 percent of drivers - skill wise and probably better that 80 percent of the population even after you worked a double shift in the kitchen and had a couple of after-shift night caps - you don't represent a majority of the driving population.

By the way, I'm 54 and like you a very clean accident record due only to my attention and skills in avoiding those that shouldn't be driving at all. So you can please stop with the immature insults.

    Reply#11 - Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
    blaze1024

    blaze1024 - have you ever had to make an evasive maneuver to avoid someone that was texting while driving and swerved into your lane?

    No but last week I had to avoid hitting a car driven by a 75 year old woman. She abruptly Crossed 4 lanes of freeway at almost a 45 degree angle trying to make her offramp. She was spun out on prescription drugs. I had to pull over and help her out of her overturned car.

    Have you seen the people that have problems making a right hand turn on a city street when the light changes and they only have one hand to turn the wheel bcause the other is holding a phone to their mouth.

    Every once in a while I might see someone using one hand to drive because they are texting. Since when did driving with one hand endanger your life. If that's the case then we better Ban stick shifts because I see expotenually more drivers using a single hand to drive because the other is being used to shift.

    There have been plenty of studies showing that someone chatting on a cell phone or worse text messaging - are more impaired in their driving that someone at the legal limit for alcohol.

    Granted and those studies probably cooked the results by choosing the poorest scores on one and the highest on the others. Granted there are a lot of people who should not be talking on a phone while driving. I would also venture a bet that those same people are scatterbrained enough that they shouldn't be driving in the first place.

    I would venture a bet that those same people have a much higher accident rate regardless of cell phone use.

    What we are talking about here is the loss of our rights and freedoms simply because an industry wants to sell a product. Corporate America has way too much power over the right.

    This whole driving while talking on a cell phone sham was started by the manufactures of Blue-tooth headsets. They used paid lobbyists to get laws past that would increase the sales of their products. End of Story!!

    The amount of accidents caused by people texting or talking on cell phones as compared to fatigued drivers is negligible at best. Its a shame that we have spent so much time and effort dealing with a non issue instead of tackling something that might actually have saved lives.

    Another thing I find interesting is the majority of people I have talked with who are Pro cell phone and texting bans are also adamantly against helmet and seat belt laws. The bottom line is these people are easily manipulated. Cell phones use annoys them so they are easily convinced to support a ban. Seat belts and helmets also annoy them so they oppose being forced to use them. The bottom line is as long as a law does not affect them they don't give a rats a$$ but as soon as you try and institute a law that will actually save lives they go ballistic claiming it violates their rights.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#12 - Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:40 PM EDT
    brinsmaid

    Pointing specifically at the iPhone in the first sentence is a cheep ploy for attention. Its all cell phones...so say "cell phones."

    • 2 votes
    Reply#13 - Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:21 AM EDT
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