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Obama links job growth to health care proposal

Sat Oct 3, 2009 6:00 AM EDT
politics, us, obama, barack-obama
Charles Babington, Associated Press
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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama says passage of his health care proposals would create new jobs by making small business startups more affordable.

In his weekly radio and Internet video address Saturday, the president linked one of his biggest challenges — a worse-than-expected loss of jobs — with a top priority: passage of far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system.

If aspiring entrepreneurs believe they can stay insured while switching jobs, Obama said, they will start new businesses and hire workers.

He said he has met people "who've got a good idea and the expertise and determination to build it into a thriving business. But many can't take that leap because they can't afford to lose the health insurance they have at their current job."

Small businesses create many of the nation's jobs, the president said, and some have the potential to become big companies.

Obama praised the Senate Finance Committee for crafting a health care bill that includes many of his priorities. Small businesses could buy health insurance through an exchange, he said, "where they can compare the price, quality and services of a wide variety of plans."

The government would subsidize health insurance for many businesses and individuals, the president said.

Obama acknowledged that a health care bill is far from final passage in the Democratic-controlled Congress.

The Senate Finance bill will be merged with another version and sent to the Senate floor, where scores of amendments might be offered and Republicans could mount a filibuster.

The House, meanwhile, is advancing a more liberal bill that includes a public option to compete with private health insurers. The Senate Finance Committee rejected that idea.

Obama said "reforming our health insurance system will be a critical step in rebuilding our economy so that our entrepreneurs can pursue the American dream again and our small businesses can grow and expand and create new jobs again."

In the weekly Republican address, Rep. Candice Miller of Michigan blamed the continued job losses on Democratic policies and said Obama's health proposals won't help.

Miller said the Obama-backed $789 billion economic stimulus package fell far short of its goals.

And she criticized a House-passed energy bill that would set limits and costs on greenhouse gas emissions. The plan, which the Senate has not taken up, "would increase electricity bills, raise gasoline prices and ship more American jobs overseas," Miller said.

She called for deeper tax cuts for small businesses "to put our economy back on track."

As for health care, Miller said, "Washington Democrats intend to fund their government-run health care plan with cuts to Medicare benefits" and with new taxes on businesses.

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Obama's address: http://www.whitehouse.gov

The Republican address: http://www.youtube.com/RepublicanConference

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OCromwell

Obama links job growth to health care proposal

The various stimulii were going to be the "jobs engines"...we were told...before the topic shifted from "new job created" to the expressions: "saved jobs" and "jobs prevented from being lost."

On purely the level of "word-smith-ing," all the readers know that law school equips each student with the ability to adeptly argue both sides of a case. Some lawyers become so good with their words that they become convincing.

Of course the "Great Society" created jobs, financed by wage earners who pay taxes; but Daniel P. Moynihan produced evidence in support of his thesis that the "Great Society" produced multi-generational "stall" for thousands of families in which all were held "hostage" to "the dependency system."

The headline, as well as the President's articulation of future benefit, has meaning for students of America's domestic, social welfare history. Young people should seek-out the negative sides of the "Great Society" and learn that lofty language does not always produce beneficial outcomes.

When the spokesperson is a lawyer, we should be mindful of their training.

  • 12 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 6:46 AM EDT
Zoolopolis

Ironic you should be complaining about the Great Society. Nowadays GOPpers are screaming that Dems are trying to kill Medicare with health reform. "Keep you're government hands off my Medicare!"

I'm sure you have nothing against the civil rights reforms in the Great Society.

It would seem the right are on the wrong side of history.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:13 AM EDT
Kate-546578

We have been paying into to Medicare all of our working lives - it is mandatory so, yes, hands off.

Civil rights reform was possible without the attendant slavery of dependency.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:21 AM EDT
questforfire

And the bottom line is, when you spend government money on programs, it isn't "new" money. It's money taken from other things in the economy which might be more efficient and meaningful in the form of taxation. That is the main explanation why %787 billion was spent in stimulus and you see higher unemployment.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
OCromwell

Zoo,

I have re-read what I wrote and I do not see that I made a complaint.

Moynihan, solidly from the left, presented evidence that the Great Society had many unintended consequences - major in those was the bondage of multi-generational "hostages" to the welfare system. They were, he proved, prevented from breaking-out from the high-calorie, future-hopelessness, treadmill lifestyles linked to illegal substances and jailed manhood; he identified cradle-to-grave entrapment, for many, delivered by Johnson's Great Society.

Zoo said:

I'm sure you have nothing against the civil rights reforms in the Great Society.

Other than removing the blindfold that rightly should be covering both eyes of the statue of Justice, I have no issue with the civil rights reforms. Our fair-minded President should have the Justice Department replace the blindfold; firmly.

Most of us believe strongly in level playing fields and blind justice.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Sun Oct 4, 2009 9:33 PM EDT
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tdwill

"Quote" If we do not pass this stimulous package now, unemployment will rise above 8%. SORRY MR OBAMA, CAN'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAY. NO HEALTH CARE REFORM !!!!!!! You really want to save this economy. TAX CUTS ! TAX CUTS ! TAX CUTS !!!

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 6:46 AM EDT
Zoolopolis

Considering that your man Bush was driving this economy into the Second Great Depression and now we're in just another regular recession that's turning around already, I'd say Obama's doing pretty good.

If McCain and his mavericky VP, Palin, were elected they'd pull the same stupidity that Hoover did in 1929. I can't believe people still listen to a think tank founded by Herbert Hoover, the Hoover Institute! We won't be whining about 10% unemployment, more like 25%.

Of course, there'd be alot more righties with all day to complain on the Vine how liberals ruined the country.

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:23 AM EDT
OCromwell

President Obama's 48 months commenced January 20, 2009

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Sun Oct 4, 2009 9:38 PM EDT
Wildcard-781265

SICKENING thought isn’t it!!!!

  • 1 vote
#2.3 - Sun Oct 4, 2009 10:47 PM EDT
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AbCirclePro

I agree with Mr.Obama's Health Policy.i think this policy help common Peoples.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Ab-Circle-Pro-Review---Does-the-AB-Circle-Machine-Work?&id=3017071

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 6:48 AM EDT
Rixar13

AbCirclePro

I agree with Mr.Obama's Health Policy.i think this policy help common Peoples.

I fully agree with you on this issue. It would create jobs and help people to see Health Care Professionals at the same time. Private insurance companies have failed miserably and they need to be "Kept Honest" for a change.

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 7:17 AM EDT
Howard S. Knapp

This president has Pinocchio beat by a million miles,I can pick his nose from here on my couch.

  • 12 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 7:22 AM EDT
* The Dead Head *

Riddle me this..........Does this administration...think that if you pass a healthcare reform bill........it will make small business start up affordable..........Now I have absolute proof, idiots are running our country.....

  • 12 votes
Reply#6 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 7:30 AM EDT
ebookout

I will go along with that. Does he really think people are that stupid to believe it will help small business.

His problem is his agenda is not working , They can't pay for it, and he is losing so lets pluck some more bull from the shy and feed it to them.

  • 5 votes
#6.1 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 8:45 AM EDT
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shadow1956

Dora says " Keep Swimming, Keep Swimming "

The only credit I will honestly give Mr. Obama is he is determined to take credit for the changes that WE dont need !

  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 7:36 AM EDT
druznak

I really liked and voted for Obama. This just supports the idea that you can always find a correlation between two things that are completely unrelated if you look hard enough and act creatively. This is an example of one. Today is a terrible time to start a business because the chances of sucess are so slim. Reality is there are most definitely not enough people who would quit their jobs to try and be entrepreneurs. The number of successes would not be high enough to justify the healthcare bill. All through Bush's presidency I used this word, and it really kills me to have to use it with Obama: Propaganda. I truly thought things were going to be different with Obama. Sigh.

  • 6 votes
Reply#8 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 7:47 AM EDT
janpietklaas1Deleted
hungary1956

Obama healthcare proposal would lose jobs in the health insurance industry - where would all those people work? Wouldn't the loss in this sector offset any jobs created and it doesn't even really create jobs but just makes new business startup more affordable.

  • 2 votes
Reply#10 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 7:51 AM EDT
ebookout

Go point hungary! But I think you will find that they can't get rid of the people because they are the only ones who know how to make it work.I'm more concerned with who is going to replace the doctors when the quit.

  • 2 votes
#10.1 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 8:53 AM EDT
Zoolopolis

I'm sure all the jobs lost in the insurers' "Death Panels" will be more than made up by those gained by small businesses. Small businesses are less likely to out source their jobs to other countries like GM would.

Insurers probably out sourced their Death Panel jobs to India.

  • 1 vote
#10.2 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:31 AM EDT
hungary1956

Since when are claim processors, people who open mail, work in distribution, marketing and various other positions - "death panels"?? These are millions of people employed by the health industry - there is no possible way there will be enough positions for them in small businesses just starting up.

    #10.3 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:53 PM EDT
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    sjayne2355

    Just when I think I have heard it all...

    Small business are not started because there is no health insurance. I know, I had a business for eight years until this past December when I shut the doors. I had added health insurance as a benefit the second year in business. Nothing fancy, but adequate. The down turn in the economy is what forced the closure, that and the tightening of credit.

    If he really believe this clap trap he is spewing, then we are truly adrift without a rudder!

    God save America!

    • 9 votes
    Reply#11 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 8:09 AM EDT
    Zoolopolis

    I had added health insurance as a benefit the second year in business. Nothing fancy, but adequate.

    "Adequate", was this only catastrophic care? Or a little more? I've had alot of "adequate" insurance. They're not worth spit.

    Unless you only had catastrophic care the premiums would have gone up exponentially in the last ten years. Only in the last few years premiums have gone up more than 400%. If you had anything really adequate I bet you were spending more and more on insurance and less and less on pay roll.

    Health care takes up 1/6 of our economy. Most countries with universal health only spend half that. Costs here are growing. Should it be 1/5? 1/4? 1/2?

    The insurers are a tick 1/6 the size of the economy sucking us dry and growing.

    • 2 votes
    #11.1 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:42 AM EDT
    Kate-546578

    Health care takes up 1/6 of our economy

    The operative word in that sentence is care. We need to be addressing the cost of care instead of plunging headlong into another mandatory addition to our personal budgets. The insurance companies are not going away, this bill will be putting more money in their coffers when those who currently do not have health insurance are forced to purchase it.

    • 3 votes
    #11.2 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:51 AM EDT
    Zoolopolis

    That's a good point Kate. That's why we need a public option. PO creates a standard that private insurers have to compete against. This drives down premiums and up care.

    I'm sure the insurers could stand to trim some of the fat from their >400% bloated profits.

    • 1 vote
    #11.3 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:17 PM EDT
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    Starseeker

    This is nothing but an act of desperation!

    The lack of job growth is in part due to the uncertainty caused by the change in health care. As a business person you don't want to commit your resources when there's a change a brewing that will dramatically alter you balance sheet. DUH!

    • 5 votes
    Reply#12 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 8:22 AM EDT
    jdoyle

    This concept makes a lot of sense, so no doubt the Republicans will try to shoot it down.

    • 2 votes
    #13 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 8:41 AM EDT
    ebookout

    I'm not a republican ,but a small business owner and this statement is nothing but bull.But it did get me to laugh today.

    I better go get my boots on the sh*t getting higher.

    • 7 votes
    #13.1 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 8:49 AM EDT
    jdoyle

    If small businesses are free up from having to provide insurance it helps and if the talent they are looking for are not dependent on insurance to make career choices it helps.

    • 2 votes
    #13.2 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 8:57 AM EDT
    sjayne2355

    jdoyle, small business do not have to provide insurance. It is a choice that is made as the company grows. If some one is dependent on insurance as the only reason for taking a job, by nature they will not go out on a limb and start a small business. Like wise, a job seeker will recognize the unique opportunities provided by a start up to risk the lack of insurance provided by the employer in favor of other rewards.

    Obama has proved his lack of on the ground experience. I doubt he has ever run even a lemon aid stand.

    • 6 votes
    #13.3 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:10 AM EDT
    I smell a Faux Pres

    Concept?????? You and your OBAMA need a reality check!

    • 5 votes
    #13.4 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:10 AM EDT
    jdoyle

    small business do not have to provide insurance.

    And loose good people because not everyone can work at place which does not provide it.

    Like wise, a job seeker will recognize the unique opportunities provided by a start up to risk the lack of insurance provided by the employer in favor of other rewards.

    Not when they have a family.

    • 1 vote
    #13.5 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:19 AM EDT
    Kate-546578

    My son had his own family before I had a job that offered health insurance. I managed to raise him and take care of both of us on "low paying" jobs just like the many millions before me. That was back in the day when personal responsibility was the rule rather than the exception.

    • 7 votes
    #13.6 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:27 AM EDT
    mike from wisc

    Kate you are truly correct. What ever happened to personal resposibility?

    • 4 votes
    #13.7 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:29 AM EDT
    DragonLady-1279514

    Guess jodyle never worked in mom and pop shop before. As my family is a small business owner, we definitely can not afford more tax or health care.

    Maybe this healthcare does provide some opportunties for newbs to start a business, but this will definitely close many more of existing small businesses that has balance sheet that are already in red or on par even because of the economy!

    • 4 votes
    #13.8 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:33 AM EDT
    jdoyle

    mike from wisc what does personal responsibility have to do with insurance? Its unaffordable to too many people and health care is too expensive to go without.

    Most bankruptcies are caused by health care bills.

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html

    • 1 vote
    #13.9 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:50 AM EDT
    Zoolopolis

    sjayne2355 Guess jodyle never worked in mom and pop shop before. As my family is a small business owner, we definitely can not afford more tax or health care.

    DragonLady-1279514 jdoyle, small business do not have to provide insurance.

    OK, what happens when someone gets seriously sick or injured? Follow Rep. Cantor's advice and look for a government program? Sell everything you have? Bake sale?

    If the business owner gets seriously sick, he goes bankrupt and everyone loses their job.

    It's the responible thing to have universal health. Responsible to society.

    • 1 vote
    #13.10 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:51 AM EDT
    Kate-546578

    health care is too expensive

    Bingo! It is healthcare cost that needs to be addressed.

    There are also many who chose not to purchase health insurance. I did. They will lose that liberty if this passes. What makes you think a program that forces you to purchase something you do not want or may not need is a good thing?

    • 3 votes
    #13.11 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
    DragonLady-1279514

    Zoolopolis, if business owner gets sick (as I know my family members has gone sick over the past 10 years of in small business) guess what, WE KNOW THERE WILL ALWAYS BE RAINING DAYS, thats why we took the responsibility to put as much of our earning in savings as possible! NOT vacations, or self indulgent. As I can tell you my family never took a vacation for the past 10 years and our business open 7 days a week and only close twice a year!

    We put our earning in savings account for emergency use, just like you put your money in health insurance for emergency use, but guess what your health insurance won't allow you to use the money for any other emergency except health (and you have to go by their rule or they drop you). I'm NOT against health reform, but this is not the way to go, our small businesses will be closing down if we let Obama past this kind of reform that seems to benefit more for insurance company than us.

    Being a business owner, the first thing you must know is savings for either upgrading your business OR for raining days.

    • 6 votes
    #13.12 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:07 AM EDT
    Great Greg

    Kate,

    What makes you think a program that forces you to purchase something you do not want or may not need is a good thing?

    Isn't it strange that we are supposedly to recieve free health care under Obama plan, yet they require us to buy it or get fined..

    I'll bet the ones who don't pay for it will be the unproductive ghetto people and illegals.

    • 5 votes
    #13.13 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
    questforfire

    I'm not a republican ,but a small business owner and this statement is nothing but bull.But it did get me to laugh today.

    I better go get my boots on the sh*t getting higher.

    Your opinion is borne out by a recent study that I would include a link to if Newsvine hadn't "timed it out" from my column because it was a few weeks old. The study showed that 46% of small and medium-sized business would cut benefits or jobs if health care reform in its current form was passed.

    • 7 votes
    #13.14 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
    ebookout

    Responsible to society

    Why because you think so. Most small business can't afford insurance because their taxes are already over the edge. So now you say that we should give insurance and it will make thinks better for us. Who do you think is going to pay for it?

    Who do you think pays for home land security? Small business!Another tax hidden in with your workman's comp bill at least in Florida.Now we are suppost to pay for your insurance and it going to make thing better. Get real!!

    questforfire

    You are very correct on that statement. For some reason people think busnesses are here just to give them jobs and support them. No profit ,No Business,No jobs, No insurance. Plain and simple.

    • 4 votes
    #13.15 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
    ebookout

    Well said Dragonlady. You can really tell who have never run a business. They have no concept of it.

    • 3 votes
    #13.16 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
    Zoolopolis

    Kate-546578 There are also many who chose not to purchase health insurance. I did

    And will you choose to not use the emergency rooms and burden the rest of society when you're seriously sick or injured?

    You expect society to bail you out for your irresponsibility?

    • 1 vote
    #13.17 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:23 PM EDT
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    bluecollarbytes


    If aspiring entrepreneurs believe they can stay insured while switching jobs, Obama said, they will start new businesses and hire workers."

    More proof that Obama doesn't have a clue about the whole range of motivations and RISKS entrepreneurs consider when starting a business. His expertise is drawn more from his days representing life-long malcontents looking to suck the lifeblood out of the economy. The entrepreneurs are the ones who will pull us out of the Obama economy, if Obama ever decides to let them....maybe even encourage them a bit. It's one thing Obama still has time to do before 2012 in order to get reelected. The economy appears to be in limbo, as 'it' considers what Obama has already wrought, in addition to Obama's long range desires for our lives. Continued uncertainty over Obama the economist is enough to keep us in stagnation until/unless Obama sees the light, or becomes a 1-term president.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#14 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 8:55 AM EDT
    I smell a Faux Pres

    He has now made it perfectly clear he has no clue and has never ran a business especially with his own money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#15 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:08 AM EDT
    Kate-546578

    What amazes is me are the vast number of people who are rushing to cut their noses off to spite their faces. Granted, it is their right to do so, but they do not have the right to drag the rest of us with them.

    The insurance companies are held up as the villain of the piece yet this legislation will put money in their pockets. Are people really so blind that they can't see through this bait and switch tactic? Apparantly so. How could it be otherwise when insurance becomes mandatory. If you do not purchase it you will be subject to a fine. Everytime you see the word mandatory you have just kissed another liberty goodbye. You lose the freedom to decide how you spend your money. Look at how much of your income goes for mandatory expenses now.

    If I chose to build a cabin and live a simple lifestyle without electricity I wouldn't be able to get a mandatory Occupancy permit - liberty lost.

    They are also inserting penalties if you eat too much. The reasoning they are using is that obesity drives up healthcare costs. Excuse me? The only person it does that to is the person who is obese unless, of course, we are all linked, as we would be if this passes. Another example of liberty lost and one which is unconstitutional. If a persons pursuit of happiness includes eating what they damn well please then the government cannot impinge upon it. In many cases it is predicated upon income. Beans and cornbread is a cheap, filling meal that provides nutrients as well as being high in carbs and calories which leads to being overweight. What else will be next? They are already proposing additional taxes on certain foods.

    I didn't have insurance until I was in my 40's. It was my choice to allocate my money where I wanted to and insurance wasn't high on my list of priorities. During the uninsured years I had illnesses which required hospitalization. Every facility offered reasonable payment plans and I paid in full. Sometimes it took years, but I took responsibility for my own obligations. I also had the freedom to chose my own lifestyle.

    By all means, address healthcare cost. One item is mandatory Malpratice Insurance that doctors must carry. Not only is that cost passed on to us via the doctors fees, we pay higher costs for the battery of tests we're subjected to before receiving a diagnosis because the doctor has to cover his a$$.

    Pay attention and connect the dots. Put the emotional arguments aside and look beneath the surface of this obscenity they are trying to foist upon us.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#16 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:09 AM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    Just when you think you have heard it all...he's tried every form of manipulation to get people to think that this enormous, economy wrecking healthcare boondoogle bill will be good for us. This is just the latest laughable example.

    You know what? I would love to start my own business and I will at some point, but healthcare would be the last thing I think about when starting up. I have paid my own insurance for two years now - I figure others can do the same until I get the ball rolling. It is a non factor when thinking about starting. The ONLY thing I am thinking about is why would I do it now? The economy is in the crapper, the risk is too high, credit is too tight, there is too much uncertainty about where this President is taking us.

    You want to help the economy, Mr. President? Quit mucking up it up in the private sector, give people tax cuts so they have more money in their pocket, and get out of the way with crap and trade and other government killing hair brained ideas, and let the American people get to work without fear of big brother.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#17 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:19 AM EDT
    Great Greg

    It's the most imbecilic thing I've heard of..

    Either this President must be losing it or he knows absolutely nothing about small businesses.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#18 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:23 AM EDT
    mike from wisc

    He knows nothing about business at all. I feel we are in for another 3 years of crap,

    • 6 votes
    #18.1 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:27 AM EDT
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    must be losing it or he knows absolutely nothing

    or both

    • 5 votes
    #18.2 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
    Kate-546578

    Delete the word "either" and replace "or" with 'and'.

    • 3 votes
    #18.3 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
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    hww

    What a joke. Anything to push the worst idea ever.

    We would be far better off if there was just a tax reduction on small businesses. It would then cover all small businesses immediately and then be very effective.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#19 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
    Zoolopolis

    Every other developed country has realized that universal health is necessary. They don't have 62% of their bankruptcies caused by health costs. They don't have 45,000 people dying yearly because they didn't have health coverage. They don't have 22,00 people dying yearly because their claims were denied.

    Only in the US has the insurers deluded everyone into thinking that it's "socialist". They will say and do anything to protect their astronomical profits and bonuses.

    Sadly, there are still so many gullible people.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#20 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:05 AM EDT
    DragonLady-1279514

    Sadly, most people does not understand how NObama's health care will kill many many more small businesses than making a new one.

    Yes we need universal health care, but first we need tax law overhaul, get rid of insurance giants and expand the cover from medicare to everyone.

    • 1 vote
    #20.1 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:13 AM EDT
    jdoyle

    Sadly, most people does not understand how NObama's

    When you say NObama you loose any credibility you might otherwise have. this isnt about health care its about the far rights insane hate for Obama.

    • 1 vote
    #20.2 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:43 AM EDT
    DragonLady-1279514

    And I can say just about the same thing for you jodyle.

    • 2 votes
    #20.3 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 4:08 PM EDT
    Zoolopolis

    DragonLady-1279514
    Yes we need universal health care, but first we need tax law overhaul, get rid of insurance giants and expand the cover from medicare to everyone.

    Woohoo, you want single payer to? DragonLady, you go girl!
    That's what we should have started with, single payer. Scr*w the private insurers!

    • 1 vote
    #20.4 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:28 PM EDT
    DragonLady-1279514

    Yes I want single payer insurance, but not in the way NObama is proposing. His healthcare makes business take the majority cost for the healthcare or face a fine. Thats definitely no way to go, small businesses are already struggling, there is no way that they would can take this kind of burden just for hiring an individual (they would rather not hire at all).

      #20.5 - Sun Oct 4, 2009 9:44 AM EDT
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      SouthernBelle56

      This seems almost like "blackmail"...Pass health reform issue or new businesses can't start up. The economy is in the toilet already and I guess I am not very smart, because I just don't understand how this will work to encourage any business to start when so many other, long-standing ones are closing.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#21 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:28 AM EDT
      PCB531

      Proof positive that Mr. Obama and his administration will say anything to get their Socialist agenda passed. Obama said the same thing about the billions of dollars congess is spending inside the stimulus package, and look at which way unemployment is going. The only beneficiaries of the stimulus so far have been the banks and automakers. The only beneficiaries of Obama's healthcare plan will be the beaurocrats in Washington.

      Obama continues to place blame for this economic mess on the former administration after 9 months in office, and has failed to take responsibility for his failure to put the economy on the right track. Never before have we had a president who looks in the rear-view mirror the way Obama does. This is arguably the most inept, immature and unqualified administration the U.S. has ever witnessed.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#22 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 12:04 PM EDT
      WILDWONDERFUL

      If aspiring entrepreneurs believe they can stay insured while switching jobs, Obama said, they will start new businesses and hire workers.

      This man can come up with biggest whoppers. I bet Michael Dell would not have started Dell if this was true.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#23 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 12:26 PM EDT
      kakael

      please allow me to clarify...biggest whoppers are not burger king hamburgers...

      biggest whoppers are untruths...in other words LIES...

      • 1 vote
      #23.1 - Sun Oct 4, 2009 10:00 AM EDT
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      WILDWONDERFUL

      Obama said "reforming our health insurance system will be a critical step in rebuilding our economy so that our entrepreneurs can pursue the American dream again and our small businesses can grow and expand and create new jobs again."

      Reform is not about insuring illegals

        Reply#24 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 12:29 PM EDT
        kakael

        obama is like the old-time snake oil salesman who had the cureall for everything...people only bought the slick talk one time and that's why he went from city to city...

        • 5 votes
        Reply#25 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 5:12 PM EDT
        Bighorn

        The only thing the Baucus/Obama health plan will do is to increase the size of the Federal government and place massive taxes on the middle class and small business. The health insurance companies will have the green light to jack their rates out of sight.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#26 - Sat Oct 3, 2009 6:17 PM EDT
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