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African nuns tell Vatican they want more influence

Sun Oct 4, 2009 5:44 AM EDT
world-news, africa, eu, vatican, pope-benedict-xvi, catholic-church, pope-benedict
Nicole Winfield, Associated Press
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<p>In this photo provided by the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Pope Benedict XVI, right, receives the letter of credentials from the new U.S. ambassador to the Holy See,  Miguel H. Diaz, a university theology professor who is a Roman Catholic, in the papal summer residence in Castel Gandolfo, on the outskirts of Rome, Friday, Oct. 2, 2009. Benedict XVI pledged on Friday that the U.S. Catholic church will keep working to shape American consciences on ethical questions such as abortion as he praised the United States for its "vibrant" democracy. The pontiff said that he was confident the two sides would continue to enjoy "fruitful dialogue and cooperation in the promotion of human rights, and the service of justice, solidarity and peace." Vatican teaching forbids abortion, and Catholic bishops have been at the forefront of American anti-abortion movements. Some of the prelates have threatened to withhold Communion from Catholic politicians who support legalized abortion. (AP Photo/L&#</p>

In this photo provided by the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Pope Benedict XVI, right, receives the letter of credentials from the new U.S. ambassador to the Holy See, Miguel H. Diaz, a university theology professor who is a Roman Catholic, in the papal summer residence in Castel Gandolfo, on the outskirts of Rome, Friday, Oct. 2, 2009. Benedict XVI pledged on Friday that the U.S. Catholic church will keep working to shape American consciences on ethical questions such as abortion as he praised the United States for its "vibrant" democracy. The pontiff said that he was confident the two sides would continue to enjoy "fruitful dialogue and cooperation in the promotion of human rights, and the service of justice, solidarity and peace." Vatican teaching forbids abortion, and Catholic bishops have been at the forefront of American anti-abortion movements. Some of the prelates have threatened to withhold Communion from Catholic politicians who support legalized abortion. (AP Photo/L&#

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— African nuns told a Vatican meeting Friday they want more of a say in running the Catholic Church on the continent, saying they have special talents and shouldn't be left to clean churches and mend vestments.

Women also have an important role to play in forging reconciliation in Africa's many tribal and ethnic conflicts — the main focus of the 3-week-long Vatican meeting on Africa, said Sister Pauline Odia Bukasa of Congo.

"We, your mothers and religious sisters, ask you — our fathers and bishops in this church-family — to promote the dignity of women," she said, requesting in particular greater emphasis on educating young girls.

Sister Felicia Harry of Ghana was more blunt, saying African nuns didn't want to usurp priests' powers but wanted to be part of the church's decision-making process.

"As well as teach catechism to children, decorate parish churches, clean, mend and sew vestments, we religious women in Africa would like to be part of various parish councils," she said, according to a summary of her remarks to the closed meeting.

The role of women in the church has been a recurring topic of discussion among the 300 prelates at the meeting, which is hearing testimony from bishops around the continent about their particular problems and advice from colleagues and Vatican officials on how to deal with them.

Ghana Bishop Matthew Kwasi Gyamfi said the Vatican needed to address a particular issue that many African priests face concerning polygamous marriages: A woman who married a man who then took other wives isn't allowed to receive certain sacraments because she is in a marriage that the church cannot bless.

He said when the women have walked away from such marriages without the consent of their husbands, "the church has been cited for injustice, insecurity, breaking up families, fomenting disunity and destroying social cohesion," he told the synod in asking for some special exemptions from Rome so such women can participate fully in the sacramental life of the church.

In addition to the role of women, the synod has addressed issues that are increasingly of concern to the broader church: how to deal with the rapid spread of Islam and Pentecostal churches, which are increasingly drawing away many Catholics.

Bishop Alfred Adewale Martins of Nigeria said it seemed the aggressive proselytizing of many neo-Pentecostal communities "aims at bringing down the Catholic Church both in her influence as well as in the number of her faithful."

"This intention is captured in the way some of them refer to the Catholic Church as the dead church," he said, urging the Vatican to reach out in particular to young professional Africans who are increasingly targeted by the new churches.

While such problems are universal, a purely African problem has also been raised: tribal and ethnic conflicts within the African church hierarchy.

Bishop Albert Vanbuel of the Central African Republic said recent months have seen increasingly bitter divisions between priests, bishops and laymen fueled by tribal and ethnic divisions.

"Our church is called on to show a witness ... of reconciliation, justice and peace, and above all of communion," he said.

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Howard S. Knapp

Here is a man arrayed in fine linens wearing gold all over him drinking out of gold cups traveling in the finest cars as for flying in the finest plains and the rest of the world needs to be worried about materialism?

The pope needs to receive Jesus Christ as his savior. Oh yea Jesus traveled mostly on foot was born in a manger died on a cross etc.etc.etc.Stop appearing Holy,and humble yourself before the people of this earth stop allowing people to kiss your ring bowing before you and most importantly stop acting like you are so holy and start preaching the word of God. Calling the world to repentance and the need for a savior who happens to be Jesus Christ not the pope.

You shall know them by their fruits says the word of God,so if the shoe fits wear it,I'm glad that in the end I will go to heaven because of the grace and the mercy and riches of a savior as will we all equally.Store up your treasures in heaven where they will truly mean something.What treasures you say?The treasure of humility and most importantly love that's what endures forever.

Start witnessing for Jesus and I just might start listening to what you may have to say pope Benedict.The goal as it has been from the begginning starting with the Apostle Peter speaking out at Pentecost, as for all the true Apostles.They had one mission Calling the world to Jesus Christ.It's time you go back to the word of God and stop misleading the puplic arena.It is alter call time Pope Bendict.How about we meet and I'll lead you in the sinners prayer what we sinners call the Roman Road, then together we could both praise The Lord for forgiveness and the free gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus.

Please don't hesitate to bring your friends.When a very rich fella came to Jesus and said I wish to follow you.Jesus reply was sell all that you have then come follow me.The rich boy was very grieved in his heart for he had much riches? Ephesians 1:7 Ephesians 2:8-10 Just as I am without one plea who saved a wretch like me.Praise the Lord for a true savior. John 3:16-17

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Reply#1 - Sun Oct 4, 2009 8:34 AM EDT
Howard S. Knapp

Newsvine changed the Headline and story leaving the same picture yet total different topic.

The discussion on this page is unrelated to the unusual changes made when first aired this topic.Had to do with the pope telling African leaders about to much materialism in their midst.Never once did this topic relate to Nuns/so sad.

One must be concerned when this type of damage control is done on behalf of the Vatican.The truth hurts I guess, so in return newsvine Goes out of their way to smear good decent people who simply have an opinion.

    #1.1 - Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:39 AM EDT
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    Didi-404227

    Oh, no he didn't! Not talking about materialism is he??? Look at how he's dressed...gold hanging around his neck, the finest silk fabric, I doubt if he's missing any meals, including snacks. lol

    Rings on every finger and probably sleeping on silk sheets, and he has the gall to speak on materialism when everyone knows that the Catholic church is one of the richest on the face of the earth.

    He and his partner on the picture, both look demonic.

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    Reply#2 - Sun Oct 4, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
    Terry-994466

    I am Catholic,but have to disagree with the Pope. Many of the doctrines of the church are obsolete. They are not based on the reality of present day life. I was extremely embarrased when priests were accused of molesting young children.And they were not excommunicated,but assigned to other parishes. This goes against the teachings of the church. The Catholic church has been infiltrated by some pedophiles and this discredits the honorable priests. Sex is a part of life as much as breathing. We are all born,we will all have sex,and we will all die! The test is how we conduct our lives between beginning and end. People are very social creatures,and are not meant to go through life alone. I also disagree with non use of condoms,especially in AID's plagued countries. I don't agree with promisquity,but I'm realistic, I know people will have sex. I also agree that the picture of the Pope and other man richly dressed is a contradiction to materialism. I think that contradictions like this are the reason for declining numbers of Catholics in this country. I give honor and praise to the Catholic church for the good they do,but I also give praise to the other churches for their good. If this should be deemed heresy by Catholic's or the Pope,then let them remember Jesus Christ will be my final judge,and their's too!

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    Reply#3 - Sun Oct 4, 2009 4:58 PM EDT
    Beauty

    I am Catholic,but have to disagree with the Pope. Many of the doctrines of the church are obsolete. They are not based on the reality of present day life. I was extremely embarrased when priests were accused of molesting young children.And they were not excommunicated,but assigned to other parishes.

    It is not that people are unconcerned about morality, it is simply that they do not accept the "toxic spiritual garbage" coming out of the Catholic church.

      #3.1 - Thu Oct 8, 2009 5:27 PM EDT
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