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Size 4 model: I was fired for being too fat

Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:03 AM EDT
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— If you asked people at random to describe Filippa Hamilton in a word, you’d hear a lot of synonyms for “gorgeous.” What you wouldn’t hear is “fat.”

And yet the 5-foot-10-inch, 120-pound model says that is essentially why she was fired by Ralph Lauren after eight years with the fashion designer.

“They said I couldn’t fit in their clothes anymore,” the size 4 stunner told TODAY’s Ann Curry Wednesday in New York. Hamilton said that Lauren wrote a letter to her agent saying, “We’re terminating your services because you don’t fit into the sample clothes that you need to wear.”

Ralph Lauren denied that she was fired for being too large.

“We consider her an important part of our imaging and branding,” the designer said in a statement to the media. “We regret that our relationship has ended as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us.” (Read the company's full statement here.)

Hamilton denied not meeting her obligations to a company that she called her second family.

“I did everything that I could. I was very loyal to them. I was on time every time,” Hamilton told Curry.

Photoshopping controversy
The 23-year-old Swedish-French model, who had been working for Lauren since she was 15, told Curry that Ralph Lauren fired her in April through her agency. She said she had no intention of going public with her complaint, but changed her mind when a Photoshopped image of her in a mall in Japan showed up on the Internet site BoingBoing.com.

The advertising image, emblazoned with the Ralph Lauren name, showed a painfully emaciated woman. Bloggers were quick to point out that in the image Hamilton’s head was bigger than her hips.

“They Photoshopped her in a way that for me is grotesque and makes her look like a cartoon,” Geoffrey Menin, Hamilton’s attorney, told NBC News. “The trouble is that it’s damaging to her. Who wants to hire somebody that looks like that?”

Ralph Lauren quickly removed the ad and moved legally to demand that the images be taken off the Web. “We have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman’s body,” the company said in a statement.

Despite the disclaimer, Hamilton said the distorted image moved her to speak out.

“It’s not a good example when you see this picture, every young woman is going to look at it and think that it is normal to look like that. It’s not,” she told Curry. “I saw my face on this super-extremely skinny girl, which is not me. It makes me sad. It makes me think that Ralph Lauren wants to have this kind of image. It’s an American brand ... and it’s not healthy, and it’s not right.”

She said being let go was an emotional blow. “I was very sad. I’ve been working with them since I was 15 years old. For me, they were my second family, so I was very hurt by this,” Hamilton said.

Fashion’s ‘vicious circle’
The thought that she is too fat to model is also devastating. Others in the industry agree.

Leslie Goldman, a body image expert, told NBC News: “The thought of this model being too fat is laughable. When you see her, she’s extremely tall and extremely thin. She has a perfect model’s body, but apparently not perfect enough.”

Kate White, the editor-in-chief of Cosmopolitan magazine, joined Hamilton and Curry and agreed with Goldman. White said that the problem is something of a vicious circle.

“It really starts with the sample clothes. They’ve downsized. They’re now like a 2 or a 4. In some degree it relates to the Kate era,” she said, referring to Kate Moss, the super-thin supermodel whose career began in 1988 at the age of 14. “Before then, supermodels like Cindy Crawford and Christie Brinkley — they were really curvy. But they got skinnier and skinnier. The clothes got smaller. So it creates this cycle where you have to fit in the clothes to get the job, and then the models get smaller and that’s who we have to use in the fashion stories.”

White said that despite some recent efforts to show normal women in fashion magazines, women have to force the industry to change.

“I think women have to protest, and back it up, because sometimes women say they want real girls in stories, but often those stories don’t rate as well, and if you put a heavy celebrity on the cover, it may not sell as well,” White said. “Women have to complain and then back it up with their actions — with their pocketbooks.”

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catastic

Wow...i'm close to her...I'm 5'7" and 120 pounds...they'd prob call me fat outright...that's terrible...they fired her and surely she's been put on some sort of eating regimen...I think if you want to be a model and be marginlly successful and secure in your work, you shouldn't push for the high-end fashion contracts. they fired her beacuse their sense of asthetic is changing...she didn't get fat, society has changed the way women should look ideally because of the super-thin hollywood starlets...they wnt to make skinny clothes so unhealthy celebs will wear them while they go shopping or run for coffee...and it trickels down to making teens think they need to push themselves to be skinny instead of highlight the natural beauty they have. Irresponsible. while i've always been naturally skinny i know my body's going to eventually get a bit softer in time, and i know if i don't choose to try and maintain it my man will still love me, regardless...they should apply the same policy. I'm sure the model didn't get fat, but they could at least keep her for accessory shots, overpriced hats and sunglasses, right? they hired her to make them money, take care of her.

  • 12 votes
#1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:21 PM EDT
Annoyed Citizen

DUH!!!! The Sample sizes have always been size ZERO!! This is NOTHING new. Thousands of models have lost jobs because of that issue. Yes, some designers are changing their tune;but obviously NOT Ralph.

Stop crying and head to the other designers that don't limit their sample sizes. The Industry will change when their top models start heading up the scale and over to other designers willing to accept the real world.

  • 12 votes
#1.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
JIM-755017

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    #1.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:16 PM EDT
    Suzy-1162273

    Anybody ever wonder why we have 14 and 15 year old girls modeling? They are actually " jail bate" and are advertised as sexy? Mabe all fashion designers who prefer the child like skinny bodies of these minor children are actually in secret child molestors? No wonder why we have so many sexual deviates in this country seeking sex from children the same age as these models, Their skinny bodies and childlike faces are EVERYWHERE. Every magazine, clothing commercial, ect.

    • 24 votes
    #1.3 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT
    Tempe

    I'm a size 6, so I'm definitely a fatty. Ralph Lauren is a dick. The girl is lovely and would do credit to any outfit. What bugs me the most is the way all these designers shove this false image of the perfect woman down our throats. Reality: 95% of women are between size 8 and size 14 and they look great! Lauren says he's "selling the fantasy - the dream". To who? Us average girls out here are NOT buying it. My friends and I don't even buy those mags anymore because they don't give the buyer a real clue about how an outfit would look on a normal person.

    All that aside, what kind of message ARE we sending to young girls who already have enough pressures on them? Sooner or later, there is going to be a huge backlash about all this and I hope its sooner rather than later. Several women's mags have already come out saying they will be featuring only normal size women in their ads and articles. Ads are showing up on TV now about this issue. Good for them!

    People should boycott these designers.

     

    • 21 votes
    #1.4 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:24 PM EDT
    craig speakman

    Filippa, if you need some consoling, simply look me up in the phone book and we can sit around eating pizza and ice cream while talking about what an a-hole Ralph Lauren's modeling agent is. I'd love to hang out with a size 4, former Ralph Lauren model talking trash about an industry that has wreaked havoc upon millions of girls self-esteem.

    • 11 votes
    #1.5 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
    Auzziegirl

    Did anyone ever think that she may have been fired because she is too "old"! She's not fourteen anymore - although the article did not say just how old she was.

    I 'm 5'9-1/2" - 1/2" - shorter than her and I can tell you that I weigh a lot more than she does, so I guess I'm a "beached whale" in Ralph Lauren's eyes.

    Do you really think the majority of consumers look at the models and say to themselves, I am going to buy that outfit she's wearing because then I will look as skinny as she does?!

    • 6 votes
    #1.6 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT
    Tiger 1990

    The fact that they used an image of her and made it look so thin is her issue. The fashion industry needs to stop it. No sensible normal woman looks like the image they want wiothout some serious alteration. The average woman is a size 12-14.The only way to stop this is to stop buying their clothing but the rich and famous would never bow to that. They rant about the earth and animals but the heck with the harmful images fashion designers and marketers push in front on our children.

    • 9 votes
    #1.7 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT
    Dave-267754

    I wish more women were size 4, but that probably isn't realistic.

    • 5 votes
    #1.8 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:06 PM EDT
    willowbrook

    Boycott Ralph Lauren until they get a clue! They lost a beautiful model over unrealistic expectations.

    • 18 votes
    #1.9 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:07 PM EDT
    Dave Davis-1183238

    I sit here and read all of these whiney, little @!$%#y comments. Well, let's see. What contractual obligations did she not meet? The term "doesn't fit" is used more often in companies changing their systems; rewriting their goals; doing a makeover in product lines, be it metal stampings, plastics, or fashionware. I have known many a person, including myself, that was told, "We are making some changes here , and you just don't fit the new plans." Now if they had said you do not fit in the new plans, would you understand it any better? I doubt it, as those who want to blame everone else for their misguided attempts at life; belong in todays social fabric of entitlements, and being wronged by others. If discoverers, pioneers, and inventors sat around whining about trivial matters such as poor model goes on TODAY Show to wallow in her pain over losing Lauren contract. Big deal, off her ass and get a new job.

    I was saddened to see the female dog reference turned into @!$%#y adjective description. At least the y shows it was not a noun but rather an adjective using sinful descriptive speech not fit for American eyes. Gimme a break and turn on the TV anytime.

      #1.10 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:08 PM EDT
      sagrata

      We have a nation run rampant with obesity, yet an American designer fires a long-time model for looking healthy. All male and female consumers, not only here in the US, but around the world should immediately boycot all Ralph Lauren products. This is the only way anyone in this country gets the message anymore.

      • 11 votes
      #1.11 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:11 PM EDT
      sizzlean

      I can't believe that this is what it took to get people to realize that Ralph Lauren is a douche bag.

      • 11 votes
      #1.12 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT
      Mr. Miller-447368

      It's very simple. Mr. Lauren OWNS the company, and therefore establishes the criteria for models in his employ. It's not a "Jobs Program" for people who really need to work - it's a 'for profit' enterprise, and he has to do what he feels is best for his company. (politically correct, feel-good messages be damned)

      It is only in the fantasy world of GM and AIG where the connection between bad business decisions and corresponding consequences do not apply. If Mr. Lauren Doesn't make the tough calls for his business, the Imperial Federal Government will not bail him out by way of taxpayer sponsored subsidies. So rewards from our Elected Officials for bad business decisions are simply not available to Mr. Lauren.

      Only organizations which are "....too big to fail" are allowed immunity from the consequences of poor decision making. Mr. Lauren is on his own.

      It's still his company.

      • 4 votes
      #1.13 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
      Hopeful American

      Hey Dave-267754:

      I wish more guys looked like, well anything better than the average beer gut toting males that are the standard, but I guess that's not realistic!

      • 22 votes
      #1.14 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
      Hopeful American

      Oh . . . and anything better than the average bald, beer gut toting males that are the standard, but I guess that's not realistic!! I mean, can't you guys do something about your bald heads!?!

      And Tempe - I don't think Ralph Lauren has one-and dick that is-LOL!!!

      • 8 votes
      #1.15 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:56 PM EDT
      bsbfankaren

      Sorry, but zero has not always been the sample size...mostly because it didn't exist until the past 10 years!

      Come on folks! The models I looked up to as a teen were a size six! For most women, even though models are not "most women", a size zero is not attainable without extreme starvation.

      Boycott Ralph Lauren!!!

      • 11 votes
      #1.16 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:57 PM EDT
      kathyforyou-1140935

      Why don't the designers do what they are really after and show an outfit on a SKELETON. They design for NON - HUMAN people and make girls unhappy about themselves.

      We should BOYCOTT all designer who push Clothes for super skinny people. It is unhealthy both Mentally and Physically.

      • 9 votes
      #1.17 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
      Dave-267754

      Hopeful - You are right, I think it is unrealistic!!!

        #1.18 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:58 PM EDT
        c45255

        you know what - she's part of an industry that tells the majority of us - everyday...you aren't as pretty as me - because you aren't as thin, tall, blonde...WHATEVER. This is life. Too bad she can't make the big bucks anymore making our little girls feel like cows. What I think is sad is that she expects sympathy from my great big, old, size 10 butt! Life goes on Sweetie - lots of us have to make career changes. Grow up

        • 1 vote
        #1.19 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:20 PM EDT
        Marie485962

        Designers and the magazines that cover their work are all run by men who hate women. That is why they use younger and younger "girls" to model -- they aren't "women". And why the average model has gotten skinnier and skinnier. No curves, no breasts, no hips -- NO WOMEN!! Many feminist writers have been pointing this out for some time, but because they are "feminists", their point of view is consistently dismissed. This is just more evidence of the backlash against women's rights.

        • 6 votes
        #1.20 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:22 PM EDT
        SG-1262236

        The Sample sizes have always been size ZERO!!

        Sorry, but zero has not always been the sample size...mostly because it didn't exist until the past 10 years!

        You're both wrong. Up until the late 80's, size 8 was considered "perfect" (as in, the perfect size 8). You had to be no shorter than 5'7" and a perfect size 8 to be a model. I was too short & too thin at the time to be able to get into modeling.

        I wore a size 0 in high school (graduated in 1984) and off and on throughout the past 25 years. Size 0 was hard to find, but it was out there (back when the "petite" stores meant you were tiny, not just short, and carried only sizes from 00 to 8). And no, I wasn't emaciated. I weighed 97 lbs at 5'4" and have very small bone structure.

        • 1 vote
        #1.21 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:59 PM EDT
        madvargr

        Lauren is a saint compared to others in the industry - just today we had Karl Lagerfeld lip off:

        "You've got fat mothers with their bags of chips sitting in front of the television and saying that thin models are ugly."

        "No one wants to see curvy women..."

        He went on to say that the world of fashion was about "dreams and illusions". He said women over size 1 have no business being on a catwalk.

        What a douche.

        • 11 votes
        #1.22 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:10 PM EDT
        millerb-1023348

        Maybe no one over size one should buy his clothes? Maybe he was hatched like the rest of the mother hating reptiles--?

        • 5 votes
        #1.23 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:31 PM EDT
        MMos-575010

        And 40+ years ago (when I modeled) size 12 was the sample size. LOL

        Think back to the Julia Roberts "Pretty Woman" time. She was a perfect size 6. Ralphie would call her fat. Geesh!

        • 5 votes
        #1.24 - Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:40 AM EDT
        Lkessler

        I must admit that, while the image is absolutely shocking, what amused me more was Ralph Lauren's canned statement:

        We regret that our relationship has ended as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us. The image in question was mistakenly released and used in a department store in Japan and was not the approved image which ran in the U.S. We take full responsibility for allowing this image to run as this is completely inconsistent with our creative standards and brand values.

        One has to wonder what the "approved image" looked like. I imagine nothing like beautiful Philippa. Shame on Ralph Lauren! As for Philippa: honey, you rock and you're gorgeous! Forget Ralph Lauren--if they think you're fat, they're the ones who have a distorted beauty image, not you.

        • 3 votes
        #1.25 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:30 PM EDT
        realitybites-1317725

        how many of these same posters who were horrified by her being fired for being "too fat" are also the same people who stated that the "fat" rolls airbrushed off that baby on the cover of the magazine was OK & that's how they "sell/market" their product? why is anyone concerned about this model when there is "actual" problems going on out there in this big world of ours that got pushed out of the way by this "important" article? when the shoes on the other foot, life sucks.....

        • 1 vote
        #1.26 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:12 PM EST
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        cecisGramma

        I listened to the video interview with Ann Curry. Apparently, according to the company, they fired the model because she was "no longer able to fulfill her contractual obligations." I submit that it is the company, not the model, who did not fulfill contractual obligations by changing the sample size. The model did not gain weight. The company changed the sample size. I think she should sue the company.

        I will not buy Ralph Lauren products.

        • 34 votes
        Reply#2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:39 PM EDT
        jewel-875619

        ...point well taken...

        • 10 votes
        #2.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:51 PM EDT
        PBAlice-886803

        I agree with everyone that suggests boycotting Ralph Lauren. Ralph does live in a fantasy world. He thinks he's tall.

        • 10 votes
        #2.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:03 PM EDT
        79bandit

        Wahhh!

        • 2 votes
        #2.3 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:10 PM EDT
        c45255

        well I guarantee I won't be buying the size that little thing wears! geezz people. she probably has more money than God by now...I think she'll be ok. maybe you could spend some time worrying about the people on this planet that are that thin because they don't have enough to eat - or they are sick. The fact that she has done everything to remain the size of a pre-puberty teenager is really sad. somebody buy the girl a hot fudge sundae!

        • 6 votes
        #2.4 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:30 PM EDT
        Svenska

        Poor, short little Ralph should look in a mirror - and not at the EDITED PHOTOS of himself in his cowboy gear. She was perfect for her job.

        Ever since he changed his last name he has had visions of grandeur and he probably has a poor self-image because he is so short. Wonder how many of his SAMPLES for men, that he would fit into??

        He needs to get over himself.

        • 9 votes
        #2.5 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:07 PM EDT
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        LDA_76

        The photoshopped image is laughable and disgusting. Indeed her head looks bigger than her pelvis. The Japanese market its all about being 'kawai'...meaning cute...meaning super-thin.

        She has a beautiful strong-looking body, without any excess fat anywhere. RL is crazy. I hope she gets other jobs.

        • 22 votes
        Reply#3 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:42 PM EDT
        Auzziegirl

        We have a couple of "Asian" girls in our office and they pride themselves on being super duper skinny. They are so skinny it's repulsive! However, they are not 5'10" tall. They are more like 5' tall!

        • 10 votes
        #3.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
        SG-1262236

        The Japanese market its all about being 'kawai'...meaning cute...meaning super-thin.

        Have you seen all the Japanese animation? Giant heads & eyes with tiny bodies...

        • 4 votes
        #3.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
        Reply
        Sas-1411176

        I will never buy Ralph Lauren products again. It's interesting that they make plus size clothing but are not willing to stand behind the product they make with the actions they have taken.

        • 22 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:43 PM EDT
        Auzziegirl

        OMG - that's so true! I never thought of that! What hypocrites they are!

        • 9 votes
        #4.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:59 PM EDT
        Ilah3

        Maybe she could model for their plus size line, since the models they use for "plus" size are not much heavier!

        But, I think the real reason is age -- of course, they won't mention that since you can more easily sue for age discrimination.

        • 8 votes
        #4.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:44 PM EDT
        micheal-825257

        its not the young with da money honey so he better look out with this age thing

        • 1 vote
        #4.3 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:23 PM EDT
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        Krissy519

        "Leslie Goldman, a body image expert, told NBC News: “The thought of this model being too fat is laughable. When you see her, she’s extremely tall and extremely thin. She has a perfect model’s body, but apparently not perfect enough.”"

        So, who determines that a size 0 or 00 is the perfect body? I think size 4 is still too thin. My hubby thinks the reason she's considered too fat is that she has actual boobs.

        • 13 votes
        Reply#5 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:44 PM EDT
        LTC-

        I agree. It seems most male fashion designers are gay and their notion of beauty is a flat-chested, boyish looking woman.

        It always amazes me when men go gaga over these skelatal women, when their considered beautiful by gay fashion designers who seem to abhor shapely women. What does that say about the guys who think they are hot. Maybe a little introspection is in order.

        • 12 votes
        #5.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:18 PM EDT
        Ron Homewytewa

        I see NOTHING wrong with this model!!  But as it's said, "Beauty is in the eyes of the Beholder", so something must be wrong with R.L.'s eyesight.  Course when you're so full of yourself, no one can tell you anything.  I'm sure the young lady has plenty of cash stashed away, but that's not the point.  She should sue; as happens so many times these days, the Rules and playing field were changed without informing her, or the company has no "scruples" in it's dealings or contracts.  I sure WOULDN'T kick her out of my bed!!

        • 1 vote
        #5.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:27 PM EDT
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        Humanikin

        OK... Ralph Lauren. Another on my list of boycotted companies. Thanks.

        • 23 votes
        Reply#6 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:44 PM EDT
        Kathy F-877227

        they mention backing up our desires with our pocketbooks. I got the impression they were talking about "buying" magazines that show other than gross skinny cover models. I agree with using our pocketbooks to withhold money from the designers that don't use healthy looking models in "normal" size clothes.

        Give us some HEALTHY LOOKING size 10, 12 and 14 ladies to look at. You know that clothes in a size 2 are not going to look as good on anybody when sized up to a 12! I'd rather see what the clothes might look like on ME!

        • 12 votes
        #6.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:59 PM EDT
        PBAlice-886803

        Right on sister

        • 3 votes
        #6.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
        T Bourlon

        Then you should check out "All You" magazine, that never uses fashion models. They use real (but very pretty) women, and the sizes range from about a 4-6 to a 22! It lets you know what you'd really look like in that outfit. Also, Glamour magazine has pledged to start using more "normal" looking models, after they featured a nude model weighing 180 lbs and got alot of positive feedback for that. Hope they really mean it, especially after THIS fiasco. Oh yeah, and boycott Ralph Lauren!

        • 3 votes
        #6.3 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:07 PM EDT
        Judith G.

        Why boycott. No one makes people model. Since she was a teenager, she has lived the dream of countless girls. She has probably made more money now than I will if I live to be 200. I say move on girl and eat something!

          #6.4 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:34 PM EDT
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          pat -848628

          I will never purchase another Ralph Lauren Product! I never buy fashion magazines for this same reason....I want to see real people....size 10, 12, 14!!! This is REAL!!!!!  I believe

          Ralph Lauren and other companies think the clothes look better on a size 2 but let's be REAL, your not selling to many size 2's THE AVERAGE WOMEN IS A 14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          bY THE WAY, Ralph, why don't you dye that nasty gray hair of yours??? and enough with the tan!!!!

           

          • 22 votes
          #7 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:48 PM EDT
          Pax-409227

          Size 10-14 is fat. Ask your blood cholesterol and blood pressure. And an average woman is not size 14. Average woman is size 6. Average corn-syrup-fed American may be 14, but that is not the entire planet's population.

          • 3 votes
          #7.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT
          Tiger 1990

          Pax....I don't know what world you live in but you are dead wrong. Women are not sticks. 10 14 is the average. A size 10 is not fat. You have been so conditioned to thinking that thin is healthy but you couldn't further from the truth.

          • 10 votes
          #7.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
          Pax-409227

          I live in a world where most people have BMI around 19-21 and are not fat. Most of the time anyway. Just because an average American is overweight and has a host of weight-related health problem does not mean that this new "average" is a healthy norm.

          According to the tables I had a waist of an American Women's size 14 when I was 25 and could bench-press 280lb. How messed-up is that a woman in the USA is considered "normal" when she has a waist of a male body-builder?

          My mom is 61 and still a has a waist of 64cm / 25in.

          • 3 votes
          #7.3 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:06 PM EDT
          Auzziegirl

          Size 10-14 may be fat if your are 4' tall!

          When you are 5'6"7"8"9"10 tall, 10-12 is the perfect size.

          Anyone who says 10-14 is fat must be Asian, or they work for Ralph Lauren.

          • 10 votes
          #7.4 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
          Pax-409227

          It is really simple. Get on a scale that measures body fat. The healthy optimum for a female is 12-14%. Less than that is just bad. If it is more than that you are not going to die, but you are not lean anymore. If it is more than 24% you are just fat.

          Human body has pretty decent tolerances, but optimum is optimum, no matter if it is body fat, body temeperature, pressure or blood oxygen level. Political correctness cannot change biology.

          • 2 votes
          #7.5 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:25 PM EDT
          Miskaffon

          Pax- you really, seriously, and desperately need help. Advocating a biologically dangerous "optimum" of that much UNDER-weight is a scream for mental help. I really think you have a problem.....Any woman under 18.5% BMI is classified as under-weight. Please, get the help you need before posting any more ignorance!!!!

          • 10 votes
          #7.6 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:43 PM EDT
          real big

          The average is what size???? 14!!! The average size what sweetheart, hump back whale? Why is it the full figure gals never think that they are fat? As far as boycotting Ralph Lauren...I bet that most of the "boycotters" can't buy his products any way unless he makes house coats and moo-moo's! Have another Bon Bon slim!

          • 1 vote
          #7.7 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:55 PM EDT
          Real Facts

          Though not entirely correct Pax had the jist of it:

          Get on a scale that measures body fat. The healthy optimum for a female is 12-14%

          (emphasis mine)

          According to google, 14-20% is considered athletic for women, though this seems to be higher than the range I remember seeing previously. The athletic range given for men is 6-13%, when I seem to remember thinking it was more like 6-10%, but I digress. BMI and body fat percentage are 2 completely different things, and are basically unrelated to one another. So Misk, Pax wasnt advocating anyone being underweight, just on the lower end of the healthy scale.

          It has also been established that BMI is pretty much worthless when it comes to predicting the health of person with regard to weight.

          • 1 vote
          #7.8 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:01 PM EDT
          Canadian Study

          Pax, coming from a doctor (not a biologist) you have a very distorted image of what is healthy for a female...I think the majority of folks on here are smart enough to know what is lean and healthy, where to go to get more information if they want/desire it (certainly not an on line feedback for model's now public 'firing') -- you talking down to them and providing out of context 'facts' is not helpful to anyone. Good for you that your mother is still thin and hopefully healthy...however, that is rather irrelevant.

          • 8 votes
          #7.9 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:09 PM EDT
          LTC-

          See comment 5.1 above. It may explain his point of view.

            #7.10 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
            Hopeful American

            Pax:

            You poor thing! Are you one of those emaciated, little boy body types, that looks like you are in pain all the time? You are totally wrong about BMI - women need to have at least 15% body fat to menstruate. A pretty big part of being a woman don't you think?

            If you live in a world of size 6, you must live in a third world country where people are starving! If not, please go out and eat a burger!

            Your mom has a waist of 25 inches? What is she - 5'2" - 5'4"? You know, many studies have shown that as we get older, having a few extra pounds is better than being underweight. When you get sick, your body goes right to muscle and other important tissues to feed on, whereas if you have a few extra pounds, your body has some non-essential fatty tissues to feed on. So if your mom is like 5'7" or more with a 25 inch waist - go out an eat the burger with her. Cuz' if she ever gets pretty sick, she could die due to maintaining that skeletal figure or hers!

            • 7 votes
            #7.11 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:29 PM EDT
            Stevie McMichael

            realbig-

            Attitudes like yours are a big part of what is wrong with this country. Ralph Lauren designs almost exclusively for anorexics.

            • 7 votes
            #7.12 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
            Hopeful American

            Realbig is probably one of those guys that's bald with a beer gut! Or just another bony, nasty-ass looking skeletal woman that men just love-LOL!

            • 6 votes
            #7.13 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:39 PM EDT
            NCGrammy

            I can see real big and dave sitting around with their guts hanging over their belts, guzzling down another cold one. They're the kind of guys that brag that their waist is still the same as it was in high school. They'll never have six pack abs, just a big ol' keg.

            • 3 votes
            #7.14 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:44 PM EDT
            Pax-409227

            "According to the tables I had a waist of an American Women's size 14 when I was 25 and could bench-press 280lb. How messed-up is that a woman in the USA is considered "normal" when she has a waist of a male body-builder?"

            Learn to read, Hopeful American. My dimensions on a good day - waist:32-33 inches. Chest:42-43inches. Where I am from beef is not big on the menu. Hamburgers even less. Maybe that is the reason my grandma has no heart problems at the age of 85. She probably walks more every day than you do.

            No healthcare reform in the world can save you, if you think 25% body fat is the lower optimum

              #7.15 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:06 PM EDT
              Hopeful American

              Pax

              You could learn to read a little yourself! I never said anything about 25% body fat or that it was optimum! But you did say 12- 14% was and you are wrong. I did not initially read your comment about your waist size.

              Beef is not the problem with the overweight. The overweight persons problem is taking in more calories than they are expending - being a supposed body builder, you should know that. I calorie is a calorie.

              And I highly doubt your grandma walks more every day than I do - by the way, who cares about your grandma?! And what does any of this have to do with healthcare reform? Absolutely nothing.

              • 3 votes
              #7.16 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:23 PM EDT
              micheal-825257

              liar liar ,, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm you know the rest ----- to you tam pax

                #7.17 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:27 PM EDT
                Hopeful American

                By the way, my total cholesterol is 123 and I am no emaciated size 4 nor do I have your ideal of a 25" waist. Cholesterol has as much to do with genetics, if not more, than diet. I also have normal blood pressure.

                • 1 vote
                #7.18 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:30 PM EDT
                Pax-409227

                And what does any of this have to do with healthcare reform? Absolutely nothing.

                Yes, it does. More overweight people are more health problems they have. Big Pharma happily provides expensive blood pressure medication to 30 yrs old people who all they should do is shed some body fat. Not to say all the cholesterol-lowering drugs.

                Beef is bad for you. Animal growth hormon laced beef even worse. There is a reason it is banned in the EU. Aside of the fact that in EU lobbying is called corruption that is.

                Look at how Americans looked like around 1970s. And how they look now.

                Short of living in NYC nobody in the US walks more than people in Europe. The cities are just not designen for anything but driving.

                  #7.19 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:38 PM EDT
                  Pax-409227

                  OK, enough flaming. Time to hit the gym :) :) :)

                    #7.20 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:44 PM EDT
                    Hopeful American

                    I'm convinced your a bald guy with a beer gut, sitting around watching sports you don't do yourself. But if you are a body builder - remember steroids make you something you are not!

                    And no, beef is not bad for you. Moderation is key and even in the USA, we can buy organic!

                    Yeah, Europe is great-LOL! I would love living somewhere like England so that if, god forbid, I got breast cancer, they couldn't afford to treat me and have outlawed effective medicine as it is "too expensive" and I would die. Yeah, you're right, Europe is great!

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.21 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:06 PM EDT
                    NONONO-1386415

                    yeah, I was kind of thinking that size 10-14 even 8 is a bit over weight!...I don't think average women are size 14!!! I'm size 5-6 and friends are around the same.

                    ummm.....a lot of people are hating on Ralph Lauren here..... maybe you should take your butts to the gym and stop hating on average not too skinny people!

                      #7.22 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:09 PM EDT
                      nearing

                      NONONO, have you seen the photo they edited of her?

                      She looks deformed!!

                      And she is thin and gorgeous au natural.

                      Why defend that editing?

                      • 5 votes
                      #7.23 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:17 PM EDT
                      NONONO-1386415

                      yes, The photo was messed up! very wrong for doing that!...

                      They took it off....I don't think they fired here for being "fat" because she's obviously NOT....she just didnt fit what ever it is they are looking for now.

                      and don't you wonder why is it that even though designers promote super skinny models, there are still so many over weight people? they're obviously not following the the zero size model!

                        #7.24 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:30 PM EDT
                        millerb-1023348

                        Look at how Americans looked like around 1970s. And how they look now.

                        people have always been different sized. My mother in law died in her tennis outfit, a size 8, eating great and exercising and doing yoga. Her parents lived both into their late 80s , her dad drank and smoked and they ate a high fat diet.

                        My mother is almost 80, has been a drinker and smoker since she was about 12. She eats fried everything and probably has a bmi of 40. She was dancing at one of her grandkids wedding Sunday. She looked great and is having a wonderful life. She has been poor and stressed out from things her whole life (things beyond her control-my brother's death, my father's illness-and more)

                        So live your lives people. Do the best you can with what you have. be happy and screw ralph lauren and all the other douche bags who really have zip to do with your lives.

                        • 3 votes
                        #7.25 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:46 PM EDT
                        nearing

                        don't you wonder why is it that even though designers promote super skinny models

                        To be honest , I think it is much harder to design clothing that looks nice (meaning fits well, and makes the wearer look attractive) for the average human body than it does for the super skinny.

                        On the super skinny material drapes from their bones and the draping is pleasant to the human eye.

                        I think designing clothes for the super skinny is an artistic cop out. Show me clothing that looks great on the 5 pounds more than we'd like or the average among us and I'll show you a fabulous designer.

                        So, Ralph Lauren is just proving that he can't really design well by only having bony models. (It's not the model's fault, mind you, but the designer's)

                        Just my opinion.

                        • 7 votes
                        #7.26 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:48 PM EDT
                        millerb-1023348

                        oh "snap" Nearing--that was a good one.

                        • 2 votes
                        #7.27 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:06 PM EDT
                        Pax-409227

                        "I'm convinced your a bald guy with a beer gut, sitting around watching sports you don't do yourself. But if you are a body builder - remember steroids make you something you are not!"

                        I do not take steroids. Not every athlete out there is a dope. Professionally I make my money as an engineering scientist, so I do not have to win any competitions. I just exercise 2-3 hours every day and eat in my methabolic window - carbs before, protein after the exercise - that's it.

                        I went into natural body building / weight lifting because my professional career was getting me depressed and I did not want to take any mood-altering drugs. Besides all the other guys at my gym look awesome right up to the age of 60 and I want to look like that at the age of 60 :)

                        I am too young to be bald - I think. As far as my gut/abs I concerned - I can touch the horizontal bar over my head with my feet while hanging from it - up to 20 times in a row. I can also do 50 push-ups in 1 minute :)

                        I hate watching sports... Just because I like to work out, or play tennis, does not mean I give a crap about who won what game. The only exception is figure skating and gimnastics. I do admire human body in precision motion.

                        Good night :)

                          #7.28 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:49 PM EDT
                          Pax-409227

                          H.A. - It is only natural that as an American you thing of England, the colonial motherland, as Europe. Or at very best 4 other countries in Europe England was dealing with: Spain, France, Germany and to lesser degree Ireland. There is a good 30 other countries in Europe too.

                          Plus GB ranks very low on the EU list of quality of life places - so it is a pretty bad example for anything.

                          I think it would be more beneficial to compare US to let's say Norway, or Switzerland (not in EU, I know - but still Western Europe).

                            #7.29 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:57 PM EDT
                            Sanyu615

                            Okay, to Pax....I think you are a little misunderstood. To Pat, I believe the average women's clothing size is a size 8. However, women are getting bigger and bigger so some mainstream clothing industries participate in "vanity sizing" where they make the clothes bigger than they should be for the size. Also, many other countries have standards of more voluptuous women for models....girls who are curvy and not fat (there is a difference). The problem with the "real women" ads of today is that the "real women" they show are fat women not "real" women. There needs to be a line drawn between the categories of fat, healthy, and skinny. Just because someone has curves, doesn't mean they are the right curves. As a rule, I like to think the difference between fat and curvy women is this-- if your boobs come out nearly the same difference (a.k.a a statistically non-significant difference) from your torso as your stomach, then you are fat not curvy. Just because someone has body rolls doesn't mean they are curvy-- curvy implies fat in the right places.

                              #7.30 - Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:53 PM EDT
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                              Bonnie-427394

                              Don't know about the rest of you, but I've followed ANTM (Tyra's show) for a few years and the girls that are on there are normally super thin - if one is "curvy" she's considered a plus size model! This can't be good for teenagers! IMHO

                              • 10 votes
                              Reply#8 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT
                              Sanyu615

                              Totally true!

                                #8.1 - Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:54 PM EDT
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                                jewel-875619

                                ...this is truly f*cked up. I used to love the Lauren ads with Ms. Hamilton because of her natural, classy good looks, and her general appearance - which was far more realistic that many of her ghoulish peers. Lauren's clothing looked fabulous on her, and I truly believe that by virtue of her appearance, it boosted sales. Since his originality has been suffering of late anyway, and in light of this negative action, I feel anyone with any sense of realism should boycott the Lauren brand, which I am certain will happen. I, personally, could rock his clothing even at 5'3" and 115 lbs (solid due to exercise). According to these absurd standards, I am more than likely considered obese. You know what? Screw you, Ralph. Get a grip...

                                • 14 votes
                                Reply#9 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT
                                Jadems

                                OMG...I am a size 6 ,8...I must be super fat...guess I'll never go shopping again...sorry Ralph Lauren.

                                • 7 votes
                                Reply#10 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:53 PM EDT
                                Lyfsgud

                                Great story but I am completed frustrated that on the website, the advertiseing around the story is all about "lose weight", and "Tope 10 cities with cellulite". Get real. If you want to change things, then really change things!!!!!

                                • 7 votes
                                Reply#11 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:53 PM EDT
                                Carrie Leigh

                                My guy always states "that girl needs a cheeseburger and a shake, it won't kill ya" whenever he sees a holicaust survivor.

                                Those who deny themselves decent meals enforce those who once tried to starve a population to extinction.

                                Shame on you. You and your product can KMA.

                                • 11 votes
                                Reply#12 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
                                real big

                                Oh yea, a cheeseburger and a shake is now a decent meal! I have a feeling that you are shaking quite a bit honey. Gotta keep "your guy" happy ya know?

                                  #12.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:59 PM EDT
                                  Stevie McMichael

                                  You don't even have to look like that to get told you're too thin--a woman can't win either way in our society. I'm 5'2", a size one, and I had a friend once tell me I needed to just "eat a whole cow or something." (In a rather unrelated complaint, I've been annoyed for years that designers just don't make things for short women. Having to hem all my jeans up got irritating pretty quick, but that's just the way it goes for anyone shorter or taller than average. My roommate is 5'10" and has the same problem I do, only in reverse.)

                                  What all these idiot designers (and wannabe anorexics) clearly aren't taking into account is that the very build of your skeleton determines the minimum size clothing you can wear. I'm not just short, I have tiny bones, whereas my roommate would be an eight, MAYBE a six, even if she starved herself skeletal. Everyone from designers on down are so obsessed with a size tag that they ignore reality. It's disgusting.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #12.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
                                  SG-1262236

                                  Stevie, you should try being 5'4" with a 31" inseam LOL. 5'4" is the top end of the "petite" range, but petite is an inseam of 29" -- I can't find pants that don't look stupidly short in sizes 0 to 4.

                                    #12.3 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:53 PM EDT
                                    Stevie McMichael

                                    LOL oh jeeze, that has to suck. You must have all your height in your legs--that would be nice, I always wanted long legs, but I never thought there would be that problem with clothing.

                                    What really annoys me is that most 'adult' sizes start at 2, so I often have to dig through the racks of stuff usually aimed at teenagers and people in their early 20's, and finding anything but those stupid low-rider jeans has been almost impossible for years. I don't particularly want to show the world my crack, but it took me years to find a brand that actually made jeans that didn't make you look like a plumber if you sat down. (Old Navy's Sweetheart line--they're low-ish but high enough for actual decency, and they're not $40.) I think they have a long-ish inseam, too, since I have to cuff them. (Which just makes me look even more like a twelve-year-old boy.)

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #12.4 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:19 PM EDT
                                    Bill Dunedin Florida

                                    She looks tired and old, size has nothing to do with her getting fired. She is also probably a pain to others and they just want some new blood....et over it, happens to all of us.

                                      #12.5 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:19 PM EDT
                                      SG-1262236

                                      I'll have to look into that brand, Stevie. Butt crack and giant bell bottoms aren't really much my style either! LOL

                                        #12.6 - Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
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                                        Minneapolitan

                                        Does the more average size person (size 8, 10, 12) with a median income buy a lot of designer clothes anyway? Probably not enough to support the high fashion clothing lines that promote the 2, 4 image. It's not going to be the average person who determines if this continues to be the norm for models and I would expect those that can fit into and afford these tiny clothes probably don't care who models them.

                                        If that is the real reason she was terminated, shame on the fashion houses for thinking that a size 2 or 4 is the perfect size and passing that information on to our impressionable young women. It would be sad to see her go into full-figure modeling because that would be damaging to those women who truly are full-figured (those of us under 5'7" and over 120 lbs.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#13 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:55 PM EDT
                                        Stacey and tired of the lies

                                        You're right. The average person with a median income does not buy Ralph Lauren's collection line. The average dress price is above $2K. The old saying that you can't be "too rich or too thin" is still apropos in the society circle.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #13.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:13 PM EDT
                                        Tempe

                                        No, we don't buy the runway collections, but we do (did) buy the department store collections where they make most of their money. Not anymore, however. I refuse to subsidize this trash.

                                        • 7 votes
                                        #13.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:29 PM EDT
                                        Shannon-415392

                                        His clothes are boring. I wouldn't buy them even if they were inexpensive.

                                        And the stuff he makes that is even remotely interesting is for special occasions and wouldn't be bought often either.

                                        Ralph Lauren is just blah.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #13.3 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
                                        mdal

                                        As someone with a good middle-class income, not rich by any means, I do indeed have a few designer items. Over time I have easily spent more on the department store ready to wear lines from designers than I have on their couture clothing. In fact, I have 3 or 4 Lauren pieces in my closet. (Yes, Shannon, they are very simple, but at my age flash doesn't wear well.) Too bad about Lauren. I won't be buying from any of his lines again until he does a serious about face.

                                        Reminds me of a comment a couple of seasons ago on Project Runway, the season that Christian Siriano won. Someone pointed out that he is very talented, but at some point he's going to have to design clothes that someone besides a model can wear.

                                        Sometimes it seems these designers are less interested in designing clothes for women -- all women...most women...at least a good portion of women... -- than they are in playing Barbie with life-sized dolls.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #13.4 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
                                        lucene

                                        Yeah, you ever notice how on Project Runway the contestants spazz out when they have to make something for a "normal" person?

                                        I am so tired of the fashion industry making clothes for their "human clothes hangers".

                                        The smallest I could ever get was 98 lbs @ 5'4" and I wore a size 6.

                                        Oh! and to the previous poster regarding women of the past and how we have gotten so "fat" in this day and age .. take a good look in the movies at Sophia Loren, Marilyn Monroe, and Elizabeth Taylor ... they would be considered fat now and back then were sex symbols.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #13.5 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:46 PM EDT
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                                        Paloma-1071172

                                        Very sad and pathetic. I am 5 7.5 and I have only weighed 120lbs when I was sick with the flu. I had no boobs, no curves, and no muscle tone. I weigh a healthy 140lb and people still tell me I am too thin. I have muscles, strength, boobs and curves...not to mention I am 50yrs old. Weight is all about balance. What is happening to a society when the norms are to be either overweight, obese, or emaciated?

                                        • 12 votes
                                        Reply#14 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
                                        Littlechica911

                                        What a recipe for disaster. You're told image is everything. And as the society gets substantially larger, the "ideal" become unrealistically thinner.

                                        No wonder American women are so neurotic.

                                        "...For I have learned in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content." --Philippians 4:11b

                                        • 6 votes
                                        Reply#15 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
                                        Mr. Moore

                                        I've lived in the UK, Italy, the South Pacific, and the USA. You are wrong to suggest American women are any more or less neurotic than women from other countries.

                                          #15.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:32 PM EDT
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                                          tuffsheet-1085444

                                          Now would be a good time for ALL the models to join together and just tell all the Ralph Lauren's to F%$OFF! But it won't happen because some of these models make millions and they don't want to jeopardize their income......It is a screwed-up industry and so are a lot of the models......

                                          • 5 votes
                                          Reply#16 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:57 PM EDT
                                          Roberta-349289

                                          The problem is, if the current models walked there would be hundreds of 14 and 15-year-old aspiring models willing the starve themselves to take their places. The allure of fame and money unfortunately will never stop people from physically hurting themselves to get it.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #16.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
                                          Mr. Moore

                                          It's kinda like the NFL for hot chicks.

                                            #16.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:35 PM EDT
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                                            mark peterson-1132584

                                            What, she didnt know this could happen? Its only gone on since day one in this industry.If women really meant all the crap they spout about this beiing bad for little girls images they would QUIT BUYING from these companes. But they dont.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#17 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:58 PM EDT
                                            Cintia

                                            people should boycot stop buying every and each one of the name clothing and company that do this to human beings. a healthy 5'10 person should weight about 160 pounds in order to be healthy!!!!! it is not a normal weigh for a human body to be that thin, and it is hurting our girls and our children, that storve themselves causing heart diseases and other diseases for not eating or vomiting.. wake up america!!! stop buying clothing from this desiners that make it for unreal people!!! be human

                                            • 9 votes
                                            Reply#18 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT
                                            Mygall

                                            When will the designers get it? We are tired of anorexic models and 120 is way too thin for that height. How sad and pathetic.

                                            • 11 votes
                                            Reply#19 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT
                                            prone2xs

                                            I doubt seriously if she was fired for being too fat. She worked for the company for 8 years. That's a really long time in that industry. I'm sure the company just wanted to make a change. It happens all the time. You think Ellen Degeneres will be the spokes model for Cover Girl eight years from now?

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#20 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:02 PM EDT
                                            Digger-1411288

                                            I have to wonder if this fetish with ultra skinny models could in some way be related to Pedophilia, in that it seems to sexulize younger, and younger (and smaller) women/girls.

                                            • 5 votes
                                            Reply#21 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
                                            Roberta-349289

                                            There might be something to that. Hard to understand the obsession otherwise.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #21.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:47 PM EDT
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                                            Heather-1045152

                                            I, a size 6, am too fat to wear Ralph Lauren.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#22 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:04 PM EDT
                                            singpretty

                                            There's a LOT of money to be made in body dissatisfaction. They've been targeting average sized women for a few decades now (size 14-16 is average) and we buy into it (and empty our pocketbooks on diets, books, surgeries and more). We have to teach our children to love themselves as they are, but we can't do that if we don't love ourselves at any size (beauty comes in all sizes). Take it from a truly fat girl (who's happy in life, body & love).

                                            • 3 votes
                                            Reply#23 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:06 PM EDT
                                            TexasMomma

                                            And our society wonders WHY so many young girls & women develop ANOREXIA and body image - distortion problems ?????

                                            What an insane viewpoint the "fashion industry" and these "designers" have !!! This model is absolutely GORGEOUS, and she's one of the more normal, healthy looking ones out there. So RL decides to ditch HER because she is suddenly too BIG for their midget-wear ??? Insane ...

                                            America, stop buying the ridiculous fashion magazines and overpriced designer clothes - only THAT will make the fashion moguls move to a normal, healthy model image vs. the "concentration camp look" !!

                                            • 9 votes
                                            Reply#24 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:07 PM EDT
                                            Meg-267733

                                            The fashion industry is controlled by GAY MEN. This is why models look like boys with breasts. Can anybody say latent homosexuality??? She should sue the company and never again have to work for anyone from the proceeds. Fat? They have all lost their damned minds.

                                            • 15 votes
                                            Reply#25 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:09 PM EDT
                                            Carrie Leigh

                                            Thank you, Meg. It has always been my theory that guys who love no breasts and no bottom are actually looking for little boys.

                                            Women............have curves. Little boys do not.

                                            Real MEN have no problem with curves. Thank God for straight men.

                                            • 10 votes
                                            #25.1 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
                                            Floyd57

                                            Carrie, your correct. I prefer a woman with substance and curves!...not some anorexic looking tooth pick that looks like she's addicted to heroin. Models are real "turn-off".

                                            • 8 votes
                                            #25.2 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
                                            Sigurd Rohwedder

                                            Right you are Carrie! If anyone wants any proof, surf the porn-sites and have a gander at them. They are all FAT PIGS compared to the models you see on the runways. Curves mean luxurious lush female bodies-- that's the ideal-- the real ideal- they also mean wonderful luxurious sensuous ex- not something you will crack your shins or put your eye out when you make love with. . The fashons are designed by faggots in an industry run by faggots and the only thing they want is to bugger underage little boys.

                                            Myself-- give me a nice curvy babe any day. From Valerie Bertinelli to Queen Latifah, and throw in Bette Page and Marilyn Monroe and oh heck, Lynda Carter, Sherilyn Fenn and a bunch of others. Yum!

                                            As for the models in the fashion adds? No thanks I don't like the "Poster girl from Dachau" look.

                                            • 4 votes
                                            #25.3 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:47 PM EDT
                                            Auteur 1536

                                            The fashion industry is controlled by GAY MEN.

                                            That's an ignorant statement on several levels. Can you even provide evidence to back that up?

                                              #25.4 - Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:44 PM EDT
                                              Sanyu615

                                              I agree with Auteur. I think the statement, "The fashion industry is controlled by Gay Men" is absurd. I know for a fact that that gay men, while a little scared of big boobs, absolutely adore them at the same time. Just look at your average fag hag.

                                                #25.5 - Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
                                                solidox

                                                Well, how isn't the fashion industry controlled by gay men? A majority of male designers (especially designers of women's clothing) are gay. Your workaday male fashion director is gay. Male makeup artist? Also by a majority gay.... These are just common observations.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #25.6 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:30 AM EDT
                                                drbacon

                                                It has never been a secret that there are gay fashion designers, gay hair dressers, gay makeup artists, etc. Well guess what? There are also gay carpenters and electricians, gay doctors and lawyers, gay stock brokers and real estate agents. So what's your point? Who cares? It's not a matter of gay designers wanting their models to look like boys. I know a lesbian designer who uses the same tactics. It's all about selling the fashions by modeling them on skinny women so that the fat women will buy them thinking it will make them look like that.

                                                Me thinks that some of you are just a tad homophobic.

                                                  #25.7 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:04 AM EDT
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