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Sharpton threatens to sue Rush over op-ed remarks

Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:24 PM EDT
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This photo provided by Rush Limbaugh shows Limbaugh in his Palm Beach, Fla. radio studio, the last week of Sept., 2009. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell says he would not tolerate "divisive" comments from an NFL owner like the ones the talk show host made about Donovan McNabb in 2003. And Colts owner Jim Irsay says he would vote to bar Limbaugh if he tries to buy the St. Louis Rams. (AP Photo/Photo courtesy of Rush Limbaugh)

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NEW YORK — The Rev. Al Sharpton on Saturday threatened to sue conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh for writing in a column that the civil rights leader played a role in two New York race riots.

In a column published by the Wall Street Journal on Saturday about his derailed bid to become part-owner of the St. Louis Rams, he accuses Sharpton and the Rev. Jesse Jackson of making comments that helped get him booted from a group that was trying to buy the NFL team.

Limbaugh derided Sharpton as having played "a leading role in the 1991 Crown Heights riot" and the "1995 Freddie's Fashion Mart riot."

Those comments prompted a quick retort from Sharpton, who called both allegations false.

Sharpton was not present for or involved in the rioting in Brooklyn's Crown Heights section in August 1991, during which hundreds of blacks were involved in attacks on the neighborhood's Jewish residents. He did deliver a eulogy at the funeral of the youth whose death in a traffic accident triggered the violence, but that didn't happen until the violence ended.

Sharpton also wasn't present on Dec. 8, 1995, when a lone, black gunman burst into Freddie's Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned business in Harlem, started shooting and set the building on fire. Seven people died. There was no riot.

Sharpton's organization had, like other black groups, been involved in picketing the business over its plans to expand into space occupied by a black-owned business, but he said he couldn't be blamed for the madman's rampage.

"Unless Mr. Limbaugh apologizes and clarifies his statements, attorneys for Rev. Sharpton will move forward with a lawsuit," said a written statement released Saturday by Sharpton's spokeswoman. "He has the right to criticize Rev. Sharpton, but he does not have the right to accuse him of criminal activity, and riots and murders are criminal."

A spokesman for Limbaugh, Tony Knight, of Sitrick and Company, did not immediately respond to an e-mailed request for comment.

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Lonnie-1003775

al sharpton = racist .

  • 35 votes
#1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:36 PM EDT
SpoxLogic

Whether or not Sharpton is a racist, Limbaugh can't libel the man.

  • 46 votes
#1.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
biggerthebetter-1052041

Whenever someone says Rush is racist, his supporters defend him and deny it, asking for proof. Well, how about some proof that Sharpton is racist?

  • 28 votes
#1.2 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:48 PM EDT
Lonnie-1003775

biggerthebetter . . . you have to be kidding

  • 22 votes
#1.3 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:53 PM EDT
DanaR-1273622

Sharpton's own words prove he is a racist. On the other hand, what those on the left are acussing Rush of saying, are out right lies

  • 24 votes
#1.4 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:56 PM EDT
Spikegary

The Tawana Brawley Case. If that isn't enough for you, nothing will be.

  • 22 votes
#1.5 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:58 PM EDT
The Republic of Stupidity

You guys are funny... but not in a way that's good for you.

El Rushbo's going down!!!

  • 27 votes
#1.6 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:02 PM EDT
Xerxes-727854

Rush to Al Sharpton: "Go ahead. Make my day!"

  • 17 votes
#1.7 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:04 PM EDT
oneburn

limbaugh said he played "a leading role" in these two events which is slanderous. whether or not he could be held accountable, only a lawyer would know that. they're both idiots and both racist, so they kind of cancel each other out. i will say that sharpton, while definitely still an idiot, doesn't mislead the public as much as much as rush, and whether you like rush or not, you should be aware that things like this should chip away some of his credibility.

  • 14 votes
#1.8 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:13 PM EDT
Stop the ignorance.

Go ahead Al, beat as much money as you can out of that cash cow!

While your at it, hit the WSJ with a separate suit for carrying Limbaugh's remarks, after all, WSJ printed Limbaugh's (false) rant.

If any radio stations carry his remarks hit them with a lawsuit for being accessories to slander.

  • 16 votes
#1.9 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:20 PM EDT
tangojones

I'd like to see fat Al finally have his fat ass handed to him.

  • 23 votes
#1.10 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:32 PM EDT
RLWellman

sharpton is a racist and rush can sue the nfl for libel.

  • 19 votes
#1.11 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:46 PM EDT
Eric AlbertDeleted
JERRY COLEMAN

Lonnie-1003775

al sharpton = racist .

Lonnie- Rush Limbaugh = racist and a bigot, this man have called blacks everything but a child of God and he did not use code words like they have in the past, he have come out and said now that we have a black president it's all right for blacks to beat white children because that is Obama world, he said that McNabb was not fit to be quarter back of a NFL team because of his color, he played a recording on his show saying Barack the magic Negro, since the president have been in office he have tried to degrade and belittle the president every day he is on the radio, but that is all right with you because you believe the same thing, and i bet you will turn around and say i love my country and we are going to take the country back, ( from whom).

  • 17 votes
#1.13 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:04 PM EDT
Onipupsac

Sharpton is a racist that steps on his own people to advance is bank account.

Rush is a bigot who spews bs and for some reason his bank account grows.

I want to see this cage fight, maybe Don King will sell this for $49.95.

  • 20 votes
#1.14 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:12 PM EDT
Tappy McWidestance

Sharpton's own words prove he is a racist. On the other hand, what those on the left are acussing Rush of saying, are out right lies

So the left is lying about what Rush said about Donovan McNabb during his 15 minutes as a Monday Night Football announcer, huh? We have the tape of Rush's comments from that night and other comments from his radio show. There is no need to lie when you have the evidence. Rush can't claim it is being taken out of context either when he claims an African-American caller should take the bone out of his nose. In what context is that a non-racist compliment? On the other hand Rush is attributing things to Sharpton that are factually untrue. I'm not defending the good Reverend. He does more harm that good in many situations. But that doesn't make Rush any less libelous.

  • 15 votes
#1.15 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:20 PM EDT
Eric AlbertDeleted
Lonnie-1003775

I could give you a thesis of what I believe but . . . . do you REALLY care what I think?

  • 4 votes
#1.17 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:28 PM EDT
The Incredulous One

Sharpton is an agitator and a racist, and doesn't have big enough balls or stupidity to sue Limbaugh for using words like "leading role" that could be interpreted against him. Of course, he had a "leading role" as it was arguably during the period of time surrounding these incidents, while they were still smoldering, that Sharpton made imflammatory and racist remarks that he even apologized for.

So Limbaugh's clarification might be that Sharpton did not lead the protests that caused the riots, and also did not tell any of his fellow protesters at the Freddie's Fashion Mart murders to kill anyone, but he was part and parcel of the entire scene, fanning the flames that kept the community in turmoil. In my opinion, therefore, Sharpton played a leading role, and Limbaugh got it (mostly) right.

  • 16 votes
#1.18 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:31 PM EDT
JERRY COLEMAN

Go ahead Al, beat as much money as you can out of that cash cow!

While your at it, hit the WSJ with a separate suit for carrying Limbaugh's remarks, after all, WSJ printed Limbaugh's (false) rant.

If any radio stations carry his remarks hit them with a lawsuit for being accessories to slander.

Stop the ignorance. You sir just might have come up with something the FCC want do, sue Rush and every station who carries the clown.

  • 6 votes
#1.19 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:44 PM EDT
DARKESTDONNIE

So the left is lying about what Rush said about Donovan McNabb during his 15 minutes as a Monday Night Football announcer, huh?

On McNabb, if Limbaugh were a more astute analyst, he would have been even harsher and said, "Donovan McNabb is barely a mediocre quarterback." But other than that, Limbaugh pretty much spoke the truth. Limbaugh lost his job for saying in public what many football fans and analysts had been saying privately for the previous couple of seasons.

"overrated ... what we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback can do well—black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well."

"There's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Lets see, was McNabb overrated?.....Yes!

Was it in the nfl interest for him to succeed?....Yes!

Was the media desirous?....Yes!

Was there hope invested?......Yes!

Did he get undeserved credit?....Yes!

Hmmm vilified for telling the truth! Yall are pathetic!

  • 16 votes
#1.20 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:52 PM EDT
chicagorich

Rush=racist

  • 8 votes
#1.21 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:56 PM EDT
Mac-295039

Do the double attack mode: sue and use the phrase racist at the same time. Sharpton is a master of that method. Rush is doing what he always does: increase public attention to his show and Al is doing what he normally does, seek someone out who questions his methods and claims they are a racists. Some things never change.

Rush, you should know better then to seek out confrontation with Al. Al has the ability not to be questioned on any of his remarks, failed protests, or strong arm methods he uses for shake down money or else he will picket and sue.

This looks like a job for the FCC czar's side-kick to go in their and clean house. Maybe they can hire Al to conduct that witch hunt? No worries folks, after they go after Rush's media outlet, they will focus all their attention at FOX News and all will be well with the world.

  • 8 votes
#1.22 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:59 PM EDT
judi fermanich

At the moment, the only thing I want to throw in here is that maybe 90% of blacks proclaim themselves to be African Americans instead of stating the obvious; they are Americans.

Since a number of tribes in Africa do put bones in their noses and put huge plates in their lips and in their ears, how is Rush racist by stating that the man should take the bone out of his nose? Look, you can't have it both ways. Either all Americans are Americans or they are in the wrong country and have no right to claim foul.

Can Rush be mouthy and rude? Hell, yes. He can be totally obnoxious. However, he respects people of all colors who deserve that respect. He does not hate Mexicans. He does detest the illegals who come here against law and then expect and receive benefits denied to Americans of all colors who were born here or emigrated legally. He also hates the role government has taken in usurping the rights of the citizens of this country. And he is outspoken in his feelings. For that alone, I respect him.

As for Al Sharpton, he is a slimey, low life and if anyone respects him, I can't imagine who that would be. He is slimey not because he is black. He is slimey because he is a rotten person. If he was white, he still would be a slime bag. It is what it is.

  • 14 votes
#1.23 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:14 PM EDT
Britlassy

Lonnie-1003775

biggerthebetter . . . you have to be kidding

That was PREEEECISELY what I said....out loud when I read that...

  • 7 votes
#1.24 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:32 PM EDT
CliffDogg

incredulous @1.18

So Limbaugh's clarification might be that Sharpton did not lead the protests that caused the riots, and also did not tell any of his fellow protesters at the Freddie's Fashion Mart murders to kill anyone, but he was part and parcel of the entire scene, fanning the flames that kept the community in turmoil. In my opinion, therefore, Sharpton played a leading role, and Limbaugh got it (mostly) right.

so when the right-wing wackos make threats on the president and his family, carry racist signs at rallies, and commit acts of violence in an attempt to 'take back their country' you also attribute that to Rush, Beck, Bachmann and friends who fan the flames?

  • 7 votes
#1.25 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT
black spider

Al Sharpeton should be in prison for his Tawana Brawley case, Al Gore should be in a mental institution for his mental incompetence, Nancy Peleolosi should be impeached for personal use of jet aircraft, Barack Obama should be removed from office for his unconstitutional Czar appointments and refusal to provide sufficient evidence that he is in fact NOT an illegal alien, Geithner should be in prison for tax evasion.

MSNBC cable should lose their license for spewing using lies and slander of Rush Limbaugh.

I am not a Rush supporter, but I do support the right to make money. Rush Limbaugh has been slandered by most on the left for simply not agreeing with their political philosophy. The Democrat liberals ought to be shaking their heads right now.

  • 14 votes
#1.26 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:12 PM EDT
Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX'

Well said, Mr Spider, (...if you say that aloud, it does sound unusual...)

I get increasingly weary of the spew factor ramping up in this country and actually wonder if it's a diversion. There are NO clear "worse villains", the spewers are all across the political and ideological spectrum. The truly concerned constituents of all "flavors" all to turn away from these noise makers and start back down a road of exchange, engagement, and civil debate, from which usefal dialog might, at least hace a chance, and the problems that beset us all might find the light.

Respectfully,

'DeX'

  • 4 votes
#1.27 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:19 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Hello Cliffdog,

I don't believe I have heard Rush, Beck or Bachmann encourage any of the aforementioned "acts of violence". In fact, I have heard them say the exact opposite. But now, if you have some proof, by all means, enlighten us. Otherwise, you are just projecting. The same thing you are accusing these people of doing.

  • 11 votes
#1.28 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
Simplistic Reality

Sharpton is a racist. Bitch, whine, and sue whenever the opportunity arises and to get his name in the news. This guy helps escalate and makes racism more alive.. rather then helping stop it.

  • 19 votes
#1.29 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:23 PM EDT
Jimster

If you conservatives think anyone buys your ridiculous attempts to call any minority who dares to speak out against racism, racist themselves, I got a bridge to sell you.

Really pathetic.

  • 9 votes
#1.30 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:28 PM EDT
space guy

Oh please please Sharpton do this, it would be a lot of fun to see Sharpton shredded in court.

  • 17 votes
#1.31 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:35 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

The truth hurts sometimes, Jimster.

  • 11 votes
#1.32 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:36 PM EDT
tangojones

He's a shameless self-promoter and a racist agitator. I remember when he tried to cause trouble in my old neighborhood in Brooklyn. "Fat Al" and co. decided they were gonna do the marching thing in Bensonhurst, which is predominantly Italian, kind of a 'Sopranos' type neighborhood. Some guido ran up to him and stabbed him in the chest, but I guess he was saved by his blubber. I don't know if he was arrogant, or stupid, but he thought it would be a good idea to protest in a "wise-guy" neighborhood. Dumb f*ck.

  • 14 votes
#1.33 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:38 PM EDT
Simplistic Reality

If you conservatives think anyone buys your ridiculous attempts to call any minority who dares to speak out against racism, racist themselves, I got a bridge to sell you.

Nope. Just when Sharpton has been on record using the N word, making insulting anti-semetic remarks, etc, etc, etc. Proof if out there everywhere. More on record of him saying racist, bigoted remarks then Rush.

Sharpton's history is laden with racist quotes - he's particularly fond of bashing Jews (for which he became famous around the 1991 Crown Heights riots), though he's obviously not fond of any whites.

  • 16 votes
#1.34 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:57 PM EDT
charity

Choosing between Rush and Sharpton is a bit like "choosing" which kidney you'd like to have forceably removed. Both are fat mouthed media whores whose only talent appears to be enraging the lunatic fringe into some psuedo political movement.

Although a pay per view cage match has it's merits . . .

  • 6 votes
#1.35 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:51 AM EDT
Simplistic Reality

Haha.

  • 5 votes
#1.36 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:18 AM EDT
getrealpeople-1049009

i love when people say that the things being said about rush's racism are lies. Hello folks, video and audio dont lie. Rush is a racist, Al Sharpton is a racist. Why is that hard to understand?

  • 6 votes
#1.37 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:10 AM EDT
VIVA-796465

G.........only white people are racist, didn't you know that?

  • 3 votes
#1.38 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:16 AM EDT
Dylan923

Go ahead Al, beat as much money as you can out of that cash cow!

Won't happen, Sharpton doesn't have enough money to beat Limbaugh in court.

While your at it, hit the WSJ with a separate suit for carrying Limbaugh's remarks, after all, WSJ printed Limbaugh's (false) rant. If any radio stations carry his remarks hit them with a lawsuit for being accessories to slander.

Doesn't work like that. If a station carries the remarks as news, then it's not being an accessory to Slander. Besides, it would be LIBEL if it's in print, but nonetheless, you can't sue stations who run it as accessories anyway.

  • 3 votes
#1.39 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:32 AM EDT
Decurion_505

Calling "Rev." Al Sharpton a civil rights leader is like calling a circus clown a comedian. His first foray in the public eye was the staged attempt to discredit two white police officers by falsely accusing them of abducting and raping one Tawana Brawley (sic). Al Sharpton has already proven himself to be a liar and a racist. To have Sharpton call-out Limbaugh on such an issue is foolish, trifling, and likely a waste of time. Of course, their respective lawyers don't care as they will get a fat paycheck just for doing the legwork.

  • 12 votes
#1.40 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:15 PM EDT
CliffDogg

vol @1.18 -

I don't believe I have heard Rush, Beck or Bachmann encourage any of the aforementioned "acts of violence". In fact, I have heard them say the exact opposite. But now, if you have some proof, by all means, enlighten us. Otherwise, you are just projecting. The same thing you are accusing these people of doing.

that's my point - please see the original post @1.25 - I was responding to - I asked if that poster was willing to "project" about Rush, Beck, Bachmann, etc. the same way he did about Sharpton. (Although Bachmann has said she wants people to be armed and dangerous and to fight back, that we're at a point of a revolution)

    #1.41 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:51 PM EDT
    jdl-28

    Sharpton is just a plain idiots and use his people to make money, how anyone can even listen to anything he said and believe it.

    • 4 votes
    #1.42 - Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:44 AM EDT
    you lieDeleted
    you lieDeleted
    Brandon-801865

    Libel is libel, unless we want to ignore Constitutional and all other law, like the Bush Administration did.

    • 1 vote
    #1.45 - Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:23 PM EDT
    Dylan923

    Libel is libel, unless we want to ignore Constitutional and all other law, like the Bush Administration did.

    Don't attempt a party derail here Brandon, leave Bush out of this, the seed isn't about Bush NOR Obama soooooooooo

    Now, Libel is Libel but Libel is NOT Slander. They are two similar, but very different animals and no copyright laws have been broken here.

    • 3 votes
    #1.46 - Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:32 PM EDT
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    Keep.Cool.My.Babies

    Can't we just throw both of these men in the nearest vocano and be done with it? How much better would our little society be without these two oxygen thieves in it?

    • 19 votes
    Reply#2 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:37 PM EDT
    Lonnie-1003775

    naw. . . limbaughs problem is he doesn't expose the crooks in the republican party. . . if he would just admit that they are just as crooked as the democrats he would be 100% correct . . . he is arrogant I won't deny that. . . but if he would just expose them and let the people decide for themselves he would be ok.

    • 6 votes
    #2.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
    madvargr

    But if we put them in an Octagon, at least we could raise money for a good cause...

    "Let's get ready to rumble..."

    • 8 votes
    #2.2 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:59 PM EDT
    Keep.Cool.My.Babies

    Not a bad idea, madvargr. However, I am doubtful of long a fight we would get. Sharpton would throw a punch and get too winded to continue. Then Rush would throw a punch and get too winded to continue. Ring the bell, baby.

    • 8 votes
    #2.3 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:29 PM EDT
    YaddaYadda

    Can't we just throw both of these men in the nearest vocano and be done with it?

    Well, we could, but I think it would totally constipate the volcano, and then the lava would have no outlet which would cause the core of the earth to explode, thereby destroying the planet and all of mankind

    • 8 votes
    #2.4 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:05 PM EDT
    Keep.Cool.My.Babies

    thereby destroying the planet and all of mankind

    Dangit, I didn't think of that. Well, I am out of ideas.

    • 4 votes
    #2.5 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:35 PM EDT
    judi fermanich

    The best way to rid us of both these people is to avoid them. Don't watch them. Don't give them air time. Don't respond to to the remarks made about or by them. If they become nonentities they wont matter.

    We are nonentities, who listens to us? See what I mean?

    • 5 votes
    #2.6 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:18 PM EDT
    Britlassy

    Can't we just throw both of these men in the nearest vocano and be done with it?

    Toss Limburger and Sharpteena in, followed by Jackarse, I KNOW the volcano would just spit them back out, that sacrifice would not appease any 'gods' that "I" know...!

    • 3 votes
    #2.7 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:44 PM EDT
    Decurion_505

    Madvargr, could we get Samuel L. Jackson and Jesse Ventura to call the blow-by-blow?

    Daayummm, Sharpton hittem witha @!$%#in' chair! Ooh, that's GOT to leave a mark, how 'bout that Jesse?

    OOH Yeaahh, Samuel, Rushbo is in for some PAIN, wait! Limbaugh's rolled out and snaps a low blow to the Reverend...

    Dudes, Robot Chicken would have such a blast with this.

    • 1 vote
    #2.8 - Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:23 AM EDT
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    Homeboy-1410986Deleted
    VIVA-796465

    Must be a slow day in race relations, for him to go after Rush's money. Two big mouths tongue to tongue, beat down............pay for view????????

    • 9 votes
    Reply#4 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:50 PM EDT
    YaddaYadda

    Two big mouths tongue to tongue

    Ok, so the visual I just got? Yeah, makes me wanna shoot myself in the face...

    • 4 votes
    #4.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:07 PM EDT
    VIVA-796465

    Sorry............tongue lashing.

    • 3 votes
    #4.2 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:18 PM EDT
    JERRY COLEMAN

    VIVA-796465

    Must be a slow day in race relations, for him to go after Rush's money. Two big mouths tongue to tongue, beat down............pay for view????????

    VIVA- Money that he have made with fear and slander alone with the make believe in his mind, and his racist and bigotry opinions.

    • 4 votes
    #4.3 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:54 PM EDT
    Simplistic Reality

    The racist claims are hoax. There is only 2 things he said that SOME could view as racist... but more people don't. He apologized for them. This is just a witch hunt out on Rush. Sad that people have nothing better to do with their lives then worry about what Rush says on the radio. Pathetic. I hope Sharpton does sue him... spends lots of money... then looses. That would be great.

    • 9 votes
    #4.4 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:26 PM EDT
    getrealpeople-1049009

    simplistic...youre kidding right?

    • 1 vote
    #4.5 - Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:26 AM EDT
    GlassMan30

    Sad that people have nothing better to do with their lives then worry about what Rush says on the radio.

    getreal - did that shoe fit a little too well?

      #4.6 - Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:45 PM EDT
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      Waynester

      He will never make good on his threat to sue. The discovery process would do him no favors at all. It's an idle threat, not to be taken seriously.

      • 14 votes
      Reply#5 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
      The Republic of Stupidity

      Ummm... the discovery process?

      For what?

      Rush is the one potentially being sued...

      • 4 votes
      #5.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:03 PM EDT
      Waynester

      The defense has a right to discovery and to depose the plaintiff. Truth is a defense to defamation allegations in this country.

      • 13 votes
      #5.2 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:05 PM EDT
      JERRY COLEMAN

      Waynester

      He will never make good on his threat to sue. The discovery process would do him no favors at all. It's an idle threat, not to be taken seriously.

      Waynester Don't be so sure, that would be a way to Rush off the air.

      • 4 votes
      #5.3 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:05 PM EDT
      Simplistic Reality

      That's just wishful thinking Jerry. Not gonna happen.

      • 6 votes
      #5.4 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:27 PM EDT
      Waynester

      A high profile court case with Sharpton would make Clear Channel's executives dance in the street. Rush's audience would swell to an even larger proportion, even if Rush were prohibited from talking about the case.

      • 7 votes
      #5.5 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:42 AM EDT
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      Hugh G. ReckshenDeleted
      Eric in Atlanta

      This is something to watch, the court case will be a fun one.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#7 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:07 PM EDT
      koobee

      Sharpton lives in a glass house.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#8 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:16 PM EDT
      Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX'

      Dear "Rooters" For A Court Case,

      Perhaps THIS notion got overlooked in the run through the woods in search of the tree. If Al Sharpton successfully sues Limbaugh over an "Op-Ed" opinion, (We SHOULD remember, whichever side of the argument is, WHAT an opinion is likened to "proverbially"...Hi-Ho!)his pulling out the "racist" title is TAME compared to some of the stuff I've read right here on the Vine. It's called an opinion for a reason, and IF it becomes a precedent to sue folks for opinions, WHY...some of US could be next, and there's NOTHING funny about that at all. Sharpton is a public figure AND quite opinionated, himself. BOTH Limbaugh and him should just "get over it", Pure...Plain...an Simple.

      "Oy!", 'DeX'

      • 8 votes
      Reply#9 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:23 PM EDT
      RonwinWA

      Being sued for an opinion is far different from being sued for an allegation

      • 6 votes
      #9.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:04 PM EDT
      Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX'

      Dear Ron,

      An "allegation" without proof positive Is an opinion. I live in a crusty little mid-western town full of people who not only thrive on their opinions, but even occasionally believe them like they represent facts. I rest content that they set themselves up for their own shearing. The folks who loom large in the media and like top state "opinions" aren't much different than the denizens of what I like to refer as "Paranoid Critical Town" (It's related to a somewhat famous painting by Surrealist "Giorgio DeChirrico", ...if you happen to fin it somewhere, it's disturbing yet cool-I digress...)I AM really concerned that all the "hoopla" has been "contrived" to distract us from seeing what "the guy behind the curtain" is doing. I'm just saying...'DeX'

      • 4 votes
      #9.2 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:20 PM EDT
      RonwinWA

      I'm not an attorney but I thain that an allegation is an acusastion not an opinion.

      • 4 votes
      #9.3 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:25 PM EDT
      JERRY COLEMAN

      Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX'

      Dear "Rooters" For A Court Case,

      Perhaps THIS notion got overlooked in the run through the woods in search of the tree. If Al Sharpton successfully sues Limbaugh over an "Op-Ed" opinion, (We SHOULD remember, whichever side of the argument is, WHAT an opinion is likened to "proverbially"...Hi-Ho!)his pulling out the "racist" title is TAME compared to some of the stuff I've read right here on the Vine. It's called an opinion for a reason, and IF it becomes a precedent to sue folks for opinions, WHY...some of US could be next, and there's NOTHING funny about that at all. Sharpton is a public figure AND quite opinionated, himself. BOTH Limbaugh and him should just "get over it", Pure...Plain...an Simple.

      "Oy!", 'DeX'

      Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX' Rush did not say in my opinion, he said he played a role in the two riots, opinions and a direct role is different, words do matter.

      • 3 votes
      #9.4 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:13 PM EDT
      judi fermanich

      Dr Rex you are right. Opinions are the things that get us into trouble and require an apology when you are a child. As an adult it seems to be harder to apologize.

      Since Mr. Sharpton runs his mouth often and without remorse when incidents can occur, I would suggest that since these opportunities to run the mouth have been recorded, enough evidence of Mr. Sharpton inciting such incidents could be found. On the other hand, while Mr. Limbaugh also runs his mouth, I am not aware of him encouraging the behavior that Mr. Sharpton has honed his "honeyed" tongue on. Am I wrong? The few times I have listened to Rush, his topic runs to specifics of an incident or a bill or the behavior of others who do incite bad behavior.

      • 5 votes
      #9.5 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:29 PM EDT
      Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX'

      Dear Judi (and Jerry),

      First of all copying and pasting my comment was an "enterprising way of giving your "rebuttal" weight. You still have two individuals who are experts at innuendo and flexing their rhetoric, as well as on occasion "turning on their mouths, leaving the room, and leaving them running." Politicians label, libel, accuse, muddy, fog, and exhibit mendacity beyond my capacity to understand why ANYONE takes what they seriously, let alone each other. Simple civility would go along way in delivering us from the chaos and allowing us to take a calm and measured look at all the many things that are going to need to be done if this Republic is to remain. And therein is the only thing that's important. People are going to lose tempers and say things they mean and even more they don't. As the wise man said, "They should come down off their cross, take the wood, build a bridge, and get over it." Judi, thank you for your island of calm sanity in a maelstrom of "he said-he said". My Mother was right, you CAN be heard better if you remove your foot from your mouth before speaking.

      Respectfully,

      'DeX'

      • 2 votes
      #9.6 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:46 PM EDT
      Simplistic Reality

      Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX' Rush did not say in my opinion, he said he played a role in the two riots, opinions and a direct role is different, words do matter.

      So Jerry if I posted a comment on here and said "Jerry is responsible for a lot of trolling going on the Vine and is the ring leader of it all". Does that mean I just opened myself up for a lawsuit from you? That would be just stupid wouldn't it. The court systems would be clogged beyond belief then they already are if we took people to court for making claims about someone that isn't an opinion or a fact. Freedom of speech. I like the saying "I might not like what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it".

      • 6 votes
      #9.7 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:31 PM EDT
      Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX'

      Dear S.R.,

      Well said. I mentioned something on a 'Vine' Thread about how one should separate the points of discussion from the people and personalities. I have such varying views on many things that a clear identification as anything but "concerned citizen" is irrelevant. I think if we could defuse the "name calling", many of us who wear "labels" of Conservaive, Progressive, Liberal or anything else like those, would discover we have more in common than not. Most importantly, at the end of the day, we'd discover that we like living in freedom and aren't real willing to trade it off for "next best".

      Thanks,

      'DeX'

      • 2 votes
      #9.8 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:49 PM EDT
      Reply
      The Spirit

      Bring it on, Al. Maybe THIS time the media will actually report on your bloody, racist history.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#10 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:46 PM EDT
      Paul Lucero

      AL is out gunned both intellectually and financially should he go down this path he will be lost!

      • 14 votes
      Reply#11 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:57 PM EDT
      tangojones

      Which is why I hope he makes good on his threat.

      • 6 votes
      #11.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:25 PM EDT
      Isaidwhat

      Al has a very good case. Limbaugh knew he was lying and defaming when he made these statements. AL just has to do is prove he wasn't physically present. So, Paul Lucero, how much financial ammo do you suppose ol' Rush has, for collectibilty purposes? hehe.

      • 6 votes
      #11.2 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:24 PM EDT
      judi fermanich

      Actually, you do not have to be present to incite a riot. You only have to encourage that behavior in others and allow that they have the right to do so. That still would qualify as inciting a riot or a lynching or any other stupid behavior that causes death or destruction.

      He does encourage bad behavior and has in the past. That would be easy for anyone to prove. Get enough copies of his speeches and there you have it.

      • 3 votes
      #11.3 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:34 PM EDT
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      ttrrDeleted
      JERRY COLEMAN

      DanaR-1273622

      Sharpton's own words prove he is a racist. On the other hand, what those on the left are acussing Rush of saying, are out right lies

      DanaR- What about Rush own words, his words came back to bite him in the (ssa).

      • 4 votes
      Reply#13 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:09 PM EDT
      Simplistic Reality

      What words? All but two have been debunked as bull@!$%#. The other two is still questionable as racist or not. Show me what you mean.

      • 4 votes
      #13.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:32 PM EDT
      Reply
      JERRY COLEMAN

      Xerxes-727854

      Rush to Al Sharpton: "Go ahead. Make my day!"

      Xerxes- Just because the Rev. is a public figure that does not mean Rush can slander him with lies, now he can call the Rev. a racist but he can't say he committed a crime without proof, that is what you call slander.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#14 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:15 PM EDT
      Xerxes-727854

      Yeah. Rev Al Sharpton never slandered anybody. ROTFLMAO!

      • 5 votes
      #14.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:11 PM EDT
      Reply
      F-22-937412

      this is a serious notion, one rasict against one big mouth (pick for yourselves who's who), but i cant help it.

      "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! in one corner, with the weight of the race card on his side, and with enough lawyers behind him to make children around the world cry, i give you; AL SHARPTON.

      "AND in the other corner, with the force of a host of radio (which is about to be taxed heavily, goodbye free radio) listeners, and a very large cigar, RUSH LIMBAUGH."

      Take your bets ladies and gentlemen....

      • 2 votes
      Reply#15 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:15 PM EDT
      VIVA-796465

      LOL, but you forgot height and weight...........

      • 1 vote
      #15.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:20 PM EDT
      F-22-937412

      i didnt feel like looking up their bios on Wikipedia

        #15.2 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:21 AM EDT
        VIVA-796465

        That's OK, I didn't either..........I was just kiddin'. smile

        • 2 votes
        #15.3 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:33 AM EDT
        Reply
        orange-756308

        Wow. Both are annonying racisits that blow little squables between white people and black people into Brown Vs. The Board of Ed. One is fat pig whose show is listened to be the uneducated people in our fair land and the other hypocritical bootlicker whose mind is stuck in the 50s when it comes to race relations. Both are loaded with cash gained from playing the race game, who will win this contest of Shams?

        • 4 votes
        Reply#16 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:25 PM EDT
        141trans

        Rush should speak to don imus, let both of these gentlemen go after the rev.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#17 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:30 PM EDT
        ebuyings0034Deleted
        Jorge-958303

        Sharpton is indeed a reverse racist or a mere wannabe, but if Limbaugh lies and breaks laws, he must pay.

        People like Sharpton AND Limbaugh are a threat to the survival of the United States. They want a Civil War. They promote violent hate.

        Meanwhile, NV is still the nest of wannabe dictators, radicals, extremists, dreamers of Civil Wars, and other psycho paranoid POSs, left and right. Oh, the popcorn's ready. Go at it, bit ches.

        If you HATE each other so much, why is there no war? Words are easy.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#19 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:14 PM EDT
        F-22-937412

        reverse racist... i dont like that term, isnt it just plain Racist?

        • 4 votes
        #19.1 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:24 AM EDT
        Reply
        Little Sure Shot

        The real dog and pony show has not even begun. Soon that other fish eyed racist fool Jesse Jackson will put in his 2 cents worth.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#20 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:35 PM EDT
        ManSting

        I surely hope Sharpton goes through with the suit and not just blowing hot air and giving lip service, So he can expose Rush for the racist bastard he is.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#21 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:38 PM EDT
        judi fermanich

        You have got to be kidding! Mr. Sharpton would not dare to open that can of worms. He is a racist to his bones. That kind of exposure would ensure no one would listen to him except others of his kind, namely people who incite riots. Ha! Ha!

        • 5 votes
        #21.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:50 PM EDT
        ManSting

        Gee,Judi tell me when did Al Sharpton incite a riot?

        • 3 votes
        #21.2 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:42 PM EDT
        tangojones

        "1987: Sharpton spreads the incendiary Tawana Brawley hoax, insisting heatedly that a 15-year-old black girl was abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a group of white men. He singles out Steve Pagones, a young prosecutor. Pagones is wholly innocent -- the crime never occurred -- but Sharpton taunts him: "If we're lying, sue us, so we can . . . prove you did it." Pagones does sue, and eventually wins a $345,000 verdict for defamation. To this day, Sharpton refuses to recant his unspeakable slander or to apologize for his role in the odious affair.

        1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn's Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin's funeral he rails against the "diamond merchants" -- code for Jews -- with "the blood of innocent babies" on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, "No justice, no peace." A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting "Kill the Jews!" and stabbed to death.

        1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy's Fashion Mart, Freddy's white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. "We will not stand by," he warns malignantly, "and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Sharpton's National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy's are spat on and cursed as "traitors" and "Uncle Toms." Some protesters shout, "Burn down the Jew store!" and simulate striking a match. "We're going to see that this cracker suffers," says Sharpton's colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy's, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno."

        • 7 votes
        #21.3 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
        Waynester

        tell me when did Al Sharpton incite a riot?

        Here you go:

        1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn's Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin's funeral he rails against the "diamond merchants" -- code for Jews -- with "the blood of innocent babies" on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, "No justice, no peace." A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting "Kill the Jews!" and stabbed to death.+

        1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy's Fashion Mart, Freddy's white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. "We will not stand by," he warns malignantly, "and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Sharpton's National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy's are spat on and cursed as "traitors" and "Uncle Toms." Some protesters shout, "Burn down the Jew store!" and simulate striking a match. "We're going to see that this cracker suffers," says Sharpton's colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy's, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.

        Source

        • 7 votes
        #21.4 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
        Dylan923

        Touche' # 21.3 ans 21.4.......................

        Great job both of you......................

        NUFF SAID..............................

        • 4 votes
        #21.5 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:39 PM EDT
        judi fermanich

        Thanks, tango and Waynester, I am not good with retaining the specifics and count on my friends to help me with those. I do know that anyone who wants to question the reality can just read his speeches and follow his career, such as it is.

        • 3 votes
        #21.6 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:34 PM EDT
        Reply
        Equalnox

        Bless the heart of the Miracle Worker who air-brushed Rush's picture for this article.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#22 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:48 PM EDT
        judi fermanich

        He does look good, doesn't he?

        • 4 votes
        #22.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:51 PM EDT
        tangojones

        Actually, Rush has lost a lot of weight. "Fat-Ass" Sharpton on the other hand, even accounting for the mass of hair-straightening products on his head, is still a fat bastard.

        • 8 votes
        #22.2 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:01 PM EDT
        judi fermanich

        Easy, tangojones; cussing wont make him go away and might get you deleted. Anyone looking can see the obvious. Stick to his mouth, on second thought, that thought gags even me. Oh, brother, where art though?

        • 2 votes
        #22.3 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:54 PM EDT
        Reply
        JustPlainBold-701643

        Hey! I'm sick of Al Sharpton, he always says something. The same goes for Jesse Jackson, leave Rush alone. I'm not a republican or a neo-con.

        Just look at it this way, all talk no walk. Al needs to shut up.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#23 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:07 PM EDT
        vol fan in chatt, tn

        Al Sharpton is all about Al Sharpton. He always sticks his nose where it doesn't belong. He's too big for his britches, in more ways than one, and he is outmanned intellectually. He ought not go down this path, unless he wants to look silly.

        • 9 votes
        #23.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:32 PM EDT
        dar63

        Al Sharpton is an media hungry opportunist always at the ready to smear anyone who he in all his ignorant glory deems a racist, real or imagined. Usually imagined. The fact is that Al Sharpton has made lucrative career for himself by being the "go-to-guy" for "getting the black perspective". I have often asked myself how the hell that happened.

        vol fan in chatt, tn - I agree.

        • 6 votes
        #23.2 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:10 AM EDT
        VIVA-796465

        Don't forget his Wing Man Jesse Jackson.............

        • 3 votes
        #23.3 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:17 AM EDT
        Reply
        melrob9880

        I wonder what kind of Odds I would get in Vegas on this one. Lets face it, they both run their mouths like there is no tomorrow. Rush needs to keep his mouth shut and so does the Rev. Al. Polarizing this country is not going to help anyone. I am not saying the we should have "kumbya " moment, but we need to get pass this people. We need to worry about other things in life, not about who said what and who started what. Is this feud going to help you in any way, shape or form? The answer is no. This about to 2 media mongers, who have big egos and will not stop at nothing to get attention. Neither one of them speaks for a majority of the population. They speak for a specific group, not the everyday person.

        I will say one thing, though, if this is not toned down, it will be like 1968 all over again, with the watts riots and the riots after MLK was assassinated. This will not be only one group of people doing it, there will be several groups doing it. I don't want to be under Marshall Law ever again. And if you lived in Chicago during the 1968 riots, you would understand what I am talking about.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#24 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:13 PM EDT
        Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX'

        Dear Mel,

        I'm glad to see someone hitting the same nail with the same hammer. The Republic is going down in flames. Will we be pacified with bread, wine, and "circuses"?

        Wee Said,

        'DeX'

        • 3 votes
        Reply#25 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:26 PM EDT
        judi fermanich

        May I add; no one wins in that kind of situation.

        • 3 votes
        #25.1 - Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:57 PM EDT
        Reply
        Oliver Shagnastey

        Whatever Rush is, so be it. When will the left admit that Sharpton is a tax cheat, and a political parasite!

        • 8 votes
        Reply#26 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:10 AM EDT
        kmgleesburg

        black spider is right this Al shapton is a bonifed white bait and skate crook its all about the fact that African Americans have to have so called appointed ministers who are not really helping them the black community oh by the way only another african american is allowed to call anybody racist white folks have to zip it and sit on there hands when it comes to any race issues this is stupid to even waste our time with jane skinner a fox nerws anchor is married to the nfl commissioner goodell hello

        • 3 votes
        Reply#27 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:11 AM EDT
        Ben's Dad-730157

        I don't see where Sharpton has a case for slander. From reading the article, it looks like Limbaugh was saying Sharpton was a leader in the riots the same way as a fire chief can be a leader in a building fire. The fire chief didn't start the fire, but he led his people in trying to put the fire out. Sharpton spoke at one of the victim's funerals, and has tended to hold himself out as a leader of the black community in these situations.

        From the article, it looks like Limbaugh's point was Sharpton has a habit of making racist comments, using the Tawana Brawley case, and the Crown Heights and Freddie's Fashion Mart riots as examples, in order to demonstrate the irony of the media wanting Sharpton's opinion about Limbaugh's alleged racism.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#28 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:23 AM EDT
        vol fan in chatt, tn

        that was exactly the point he was trying to make. Too bad many people didn't get it - they were looking at it through bias covered glasses.

        • 7 votes
        #28.1 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:32 AM EDT
        Reply
        Michael Crowley

        Well.. good ol' OxyRush likes to quote "rattle the libs cage" every now and again... well.. you rattled it right into a lawsuit..

        That cage rattlin' is what got him kicked from the NFL ownership club.. and you pubbies are too stupid to realize it.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#29 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:19 AM EDT
        Simplistic Reality

        A potential lawsuit the judges are going to laugh right out of court.....

        • 3 votes
        #29.1 - Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:19 AM EDT
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