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Could letting pilots take a nap make flying safer?

Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:46 PM EDT
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Joshua Freed, AP Airlines Writer
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<p>FILE In this Thursday, April 21, 2005 file photo, a Northwest Airlines plane taxis as another lifts off at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, in Minneapolis. The two Northwest Airlines pilots should have had numerous warnings that their flight was nearing its destination in Minneapolis. Controllers were trying to reach the plane by radio, Wednesday, Oct. 21, 2009. (AP Photo/Jim Mone, File)</p>

FILE In this Thursday, April 21, 2005 file photo, a Northwest Airlines plane taxis as another lifts off at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, in Minneapolis. The two Northwest Airlines pilots should have had numerous warnings that their flight was nearing its destination in Minneapolis. Controllers were trying to reach the plane by radio, Wednesday, Oct. 21, 2009. (AP Photo/Jim Mone, File)

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MINNEAPOLIS — Charles Lindbergh famously fell asleep while crossing the Atlantic, and despite strict federal rules against it, experienced airline pilots say it's not uncommon to sneak a nap inside the cockpit.

The Northwest pilots who blew 150 miles past Minneapolis this past week insist a clandestine snooze isn't to blame for their goof at 37,000 feet. "Nobody fell asleep in the cockpit," first officer Richard I. Cole told The Associated Press.

Aviation safety experts and fellow pilots don't buy it, arguing the most likely explanation for missing more than an hour of radio, cell phone and data messages is a drowsy flight crew. The prospect alone could renew focus on pilot fatigue and research that suggests controlled catnaps might actually make flying safer.

"If you really need a nap, you're far better off taking a nap than ignoring your body and being tired during takeoff and landing," said Kit Darby, a pilot who said he took the occasional mid-flight nap during his 30-year career at several major airlines.

"It was not uncommon to do that. If you needed to take a nap, you took a nap," Darby said. "As a captain, I would encourage it."

International carriers including Air France, British Airways and Qantas allow pilots to nap, but sleeping while flying is prohibited at U.S. airlines by the Federal Aviation Administration. Just last month, the Air Transport Association again pressed the FAA to allow controlled cockpit napping, citing NASA research that found a mid-flight snooze significantly reduces the risks of overall pilot fatigue.

"Other regulatory agencies have endorsed it for many years with no adverse consequences," the group, which represents the major U.S. airlines, along with associations for regional and cargo airlines, wrote to Margaret Gilligan, the FAA's associate administrator for safety.

The NASA study begun in 1989 allowed one group of pilots flying across the Pacific to take a 25-minute nap while their co-pilots flew the planes, while a control group was required to remain awake for the entire flight. Those without the naps nodded off five times as much — including while on the approach to the airport — as those who got some sleep.

The research didn't sway the FAA, but it didn't go unnoticed among those pilots who break the agency's rules by catching some sleep while in the cockpit, said Curt Graeber, the former chief engineer for human factors in Boeing Co.'s commercial airplane division.

"We used to call it the NASA nap, or snooze cruise," he said.

FAA rules currently allow airline pilots to fly eight hours in a 16-hour "duty day," which includes briefings and other preparation time. Commercial airline pilots often make long, tiring commutes to reach their departure point; the pilots of the San Diego-Minneapolis flight live in Oregon and Washington state. Once on duty, pilots can sit for long hours behind a locked door minding a plane that is largely automated once they're airborne.

American Airlines pilot Sam Mayer said problems with fatigue are greatest among pilots who make several short trips a day, sometimes for three or four days in a row. Flight 188 captain Timothy B. Cheney and first officer Richard I. Cole had just started their work week and were coming off a 19-hour layover, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported Saturday, citing an internal Northwest document it said was described to the newspaper.

Under their contract, American Airlines pilots who refuse to fly because they're tired are protected from retaliation. Skipping a flight means not getting paid for those hours, and Mayer said the Minneapolis incident "is more anecdotal evidence that pilots are fatigued out there."

On long international flights, a third pilot joins the flight crew so that one pilot can sleep while two remain at the controls. But Graeber said working a long-haul flight can be less tiring than flying a small commuter jet at low altitude on multiple takeoffs and landings on one shift.

"There's a lot more stress than flying a 747 with a bunk in the back," he said.

The NTSB plans to investigate whether fatigue was a factor and will interview the pilots next week. Northwest, acquired last year by Delta Air Lines Inc., has suspended Cheney and Cole and is also investigating.

An airport police report said the men were "cooperative, apologetic and appreciative" and volunteered to take tests that were zero for alcohol use. They told police they missed the airport because they had become distracted by a heated discussion, something retired Delta pilot Joe Mazzone said could have led them to miss a critical radio handoff between air traffic controllers.

"You're talking about 15 minutes if they were at 500 knots," Mazzone said. "It's not long at all."

But Mazzone, who flew jet airliners for 23 years, said it's just as possible they got caught napping.

"It's kind of like being in an operating room. You know the physicians and the nurses ... are listening to music, telling jokes, they're doing what keeps them alert," he said. "Things are happening that if the public knew about it, they wouldn't understand it, but it's done. They've got the same thing in the cockpit."

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Associated Press Writer Steve Karnowski in Minneapolis and Airlines Writer David Koenig in Dallas contributed to this report. Weber reported from Atlanta.

© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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The most dangerous parts of a flight are the take-off and the landing. The pilots should be fully awake during these two events. When the aircraft has reached cruising altitude, the pilots should be allowed to take catnaps so as to be fresh for the landings which might take a few hours.

    Reply#1 - Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
    alumette

    Sure they do take naps while on auto pilot but one at the time! not at the same time!

      #1.1 - Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:01 PM EDT
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      Marcie-1011663

      Instead of allowing naps (after all, none of us are allowed to take a nap at work) perhaps cutting down on the amount of flights each pilot has per shift. Or, making the pilots accountable for the night before a flight. If a nap were allowed, then bring on another flight crew member that works in the pit and while pilot 1 is having his/her nap, the other two are flying the plane. Then while pilot 2 is sleeping, the other two are flying the plane. Somehow I think that these two had a system of doing that and then the other pilot fell asleep as well. There was not another person to monitor the situation.

        Reply#3 - Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:40 PM EDT
        alumette

        On long flights, there are two sets of pilots that take turns.... flying and sleeping...trans-atlantic....and so forth...From the west coast to the mid-west is not considered such....continental flights are just too short for naps....unless it is an agreement between the pilots as one will stay awake as the one naps.....unless they lie.

          #3.1 - Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:44 PM EDT
          alumette

          Please refer your suggestions to the FAA.

            #3.2 - Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:47 PM EDT
            Marcie-1011663

            "continental flights are just too short for naps....unless it is an agreement between the pilots as one will stay awake as the one naps"

            ...hmmm, doesn't look like that agreement worked well for them now, did it?

              #3.3 - Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:42 PM EDT
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              Ken1014

              Hey Fans.

              The thing that has me wondering more than anything is what the hell was going on about determining the situation on that plane. One would think that after 9/11 someone should be paying attention to a wayward jet with no radio contact wandering around for 90 minutes.

              I feel so much safer knowing our NORAD is on alert. Sure I do. Geez!

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              Reply#4 - Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT
              alumette

              They are not going to take down an airliner, no matter what. They would escort it....has not been done and likely never will be done. Look at 9/11. They were up in the air, behind and late but were not going to do anything. We know they did nothing. They were as dumbfounded as we were. Life is about chances. You take them and hope for the best. No guarantees....it may be a rough ride.

                #4.1 - Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:36 PM EDT
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                alumette

                You don't take a prophylactic nap. You nap when you are tired. You can't make people nap on demand. Ridiculous!

                  Reply#5 - Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:33 PM EDT
                  alumette

                  In terms of the operating rooms...no body sleeps in there. There is a lot of work done by many people who come in and out of the rooms during the procedures, not to compare with a lonely locked up cockpit where usually only 2 guys sit and stare.

                    Reply#6 - Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:06 PM EDT
                    Marcie-1011663

                    Alumette, thank you for enlightening us.

                      Reply#7 - Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT
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