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'Kill the bill' protesters target health care

Thu Nov 5, 2009 2:41 PM EST
business, politics, health, us, overhaul, capitol, rumble
Laurie Kellman, Associated Press
This is the sound of demonstrators chanting ''kill that bill'' at the health care reform protest rally outside the Capitol.
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<p>Rep. Louis Gohmert, R-Texas, talks with crowd on the West Front of the Capitol in Washington, Thursday, Nov. 5, 2009, during a Republican news conference on health care legislation. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)</p>

Rep. Louis Gohmert, R-Texas, talks with crowd on the West Front of the Capitol in Washington, Thursday, Nov. 5, 2009, during a Republican news conference on health care legislation. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

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WASHINGTON — Chanting "Kill the bill," thousands of conservatives incensed over the Democrats' health care overhaul protested at the Capitol on Thursday, arguing that the legislation amounts to a government takeover of the nation's medical system.

The crowd, invited on national television by Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., was staunchly anti-government — "Politicians lie, people die," read one sign — but loudly cheered the House Republicans who hosted the event. The protest attracted many of the so-called Tea Party demonstrators angry with increased spending and an expanded government role under the Obama administration.

"This bill is the greatest threat to freedom that I have seen," House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio told the crowd.

"We're not going to leave this Hill until we kill this bill," declared Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.

That's highly unlikely. House Democrats hope to pass the sweeping legislation on Saturday, buoyed by endorsements on Thursday from the American Medical Association and the AARP, the powerful seniors lobby. President Barack Obama makes a final appeal to Democrats during a rare visit to the Capitol Friday.

Republican leaders controlled their event, focusing on what they said were the flaws in the Democratic bill, as they distanced themselves from Bachmann's invitation.

On Oct. 30, she invited viewers of Fox News to Washington to roam House office buildings and confront lawmakers.

"I'd love to have every one of your viewers join me so that we can go up and down through the halls," Bachmann said. "Find members of Congress, look at the whites of their eyes and say, 'Don't take away my health care.'"

Republicans have offered a slimmed-down health care bill that focuses on reducing costs rather than increasing coverage for millions of uninsured Americans. At the rally on the West Front of the Capitol, they mocked the 1,990-page Democratic bill, bound in a gold cord, on the corner of the lectern. It was so heavy, at one point it thunked to the ground.

The crowd, including many older Americans, carried placards that ranged from pithy — "Free health care isn't free" — to harsh.

"Ken-ya Trust Obama?" said one, referencing the president's African roots and claims by some that he wasn't born in the United States.

One protester carried a sign reading, "Bury Obamacare with Kennedy," a reference to Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., who died of brain cancer this past summer.

The demonstrators came to Washington by plane, bus and other means to send a message to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., as they press ahead with health care legislation.

"It's upsetting because of where we've come from to where we are today, to see our freedom eroding," said Ben Fourman, 72, of Farmingdale, N.J. The retiree wore a T-shirt that said, "Liberty equals limited government."

Actors Jon Voight and John Radcliffe, who played Cliff on the comedy series "Cheers," attended but the real star was Bachmann.

"We want Michele! We want Michele," the crowd chanted as she took the microphone.

Bachmann, a favorite of conservatives for her colorful rhetoric, issued a reality check about the bill's outsized chances of passing. But she added a dash of optimism gleaned from Republican victories on Election Day.

"Kill the bill! Kill the bill!" the crowd chanted.

"Yes, that's exactly what you're going to tell them," said Bachmann.

Capitol Police arrested a dozen anti-abortion protesters in the hall outside Pelosi's office in the Cannon House Office Building.

Elsewhere, Siler City, N.C., resident Paul Kaufman and nine family members stopped by the offices of Reps. Mel Watt, D-N.C., and Walter Jones, R-N.C.

"I feel like I'm defending my freedom. I'm defending my rights," Kaufman said, adding that he identified with a sign he saw at the rally that said "I love my country, but I'm afraid of my government."

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Associated Press writer Ann Sanner contributed to this report.

© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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C. Vaughan

Common sense? This phenonmenon is neither common, nor sensical. Hooray! Kill the bill! I want to pay for non-insured in the form of rising premiums instead of taxes! Wooo!

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:47 PM EST
Ms. Crittenden

I heard on the news one lady said "I don't want to pay for someone else to have healthcare, why don't they take care of themselves?" I bet she would be singing a different tune when she wants someone else to go fight in a war to protect her ass. And good point Vaughan, she is going to pay for her fellow Americans either way. A sick America is a weak America, this is no different than any other measures we would take to protect our people and rebuild our economy.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 7:17 PM EST
C. Vaughan

"A sick America is a weak America, this is no different than any other measures we would take to protect our people and rebuild our economy."

A VERY good point. It's in our national interests to have a healthy population, especially if we want to keep fighting these wars for corporate interests the world around.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 8:06 PM EST
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ThePatriarch

Amazing all these Medicare recips mouthing off about the potential of others getting gov't sponsored medical coverage...

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 8:15 PM EST
swcityDeleted
Ms. Crittenden

We vote our government into office. It is our responsibly to vote in the right people for the job. People on Medicare never paid enough taxes for their generations expenses. The only people they wanted to vote in were people who promised "No new taxes." The problem with that is it costs money to run and protect a country. Anyone who would tell you whatever you want to hear, even if it's not what your country needs, couldn't have been all that trustworthy to begin with. The government didn't mishandle the money on their own, they had plenty of help from the American people.

    #4.2 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:24 AM EST
    Rusty007

    Let's not call each other crazy. But I can say this with a smile: our president is crazy like a fox. And he will get this through despite those who try to badger him about it. He is a genuinely good person doing a genuinely good thing. And karma means something sometimes. For sixty years, we've had every roadblock thrown against universal health insurance coverage. The pendulum now swings toward meeting the needs of the needy. Those opposed are fighting the tides of needed change.

    Important things in America can and are often delayed, but they are never stopped. As President Woodrow Wilson observed, fighting for a League of Nations (later to be created as a United Nations after terribly loss of life in WWII), "once you begin the dance of legislation, it never really ends."

    Health insurance reform is on our dance card this year. It's time has come.

      #4.3 - Sat Nov 7, 2009 7:23 PM EST
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      ThePatriarch

      Had to see the state of MN producing a Backmann

      • 2 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 8:16 PM EST
      ThePatriarch

      hard

        Reply#6 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 8:17 PM EST
        bdjwill

        I bet you haters of the bill would change your story when you don't have healthcare.

        I'm in that boat. I'm not insured, I can't afford the high ass premiums that these companies expect me to pay. I was living alright on my own until I got sick from the flu. Now, I'm living with my parents again working to pay off the medical bills incurred with a bout in the hospital.

        If I had health insurance, I would not have had to totally adjust my life due to one bad spell.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#7 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 8:39 PM EST
        swcityDeleted
        Ms. Crittenden

        I have an education, but my company disolved and no one is hiring. How about you give me your job? Then I'll be the one taxed and you can get the voucher. Would that be easier for you?

        • 3 votes
        #7.2 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:35 AM EST
        swcityDeleted
        Ms. Crittenden

        One minimum wage job won't pay my mortgage, utilities, student loans, auto loan, and keep my children feed and clothed. I would need at the very least four full time minimum wage jobs, with overtime, medical insurance, and a retirement pakage, because I'm going to need to retire eventually and social security won't be around and I can't save up for retirement on those wages.

        • 1 vote
        #7.4 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:55 PM EST
        Ms. Crittenden

        And hell yeah, we are too good to be treated like illegal aliens. We deserve every opportunity that you had. Yet the babyboomers want it all for themselves. They gave our jobs away so they could save a few bucks, they paid no taxes, so they could save a few buck, never once considering or carrying about the harm they were causing for future generations.

        • 2 votes
        #7.5 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 1:05 PM EST
        bdjwill

        OK. swcity. I have a degree. I'm working on my master's while working. You try doing that stuff and being able to pay for everything.

        I did get an education, the economy saw that I don't have a use for it. And no, I'm not a christian. I have no use for religion.

        Ignorance is people trying to hinder the government trying to help you live. I bet if you we're on heavy meds or in a life threatening case, you'd think differently.

        Ask anyone struggling. It's either eat or be able to live.

        • 1 vote
        #7.6 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 5:07 PM EST
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        bdjwill

        then I apologize sw, read it wrong then. >.<

          #7.10 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 10:53 PM EST
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          Rusty007

          They like to ignore the plight and suffering of their fellow Americans. They are so full of hate that there is no room for love in their hearts. It's quite sad.

          These so-called protesters have seemingly indictrinated themselves and with blinders on their thinking have purposefully and ignorantly ignored the needs and problems od other members of their own and only "team America."

          They have my pity. They have violated a particularly American code of ethics. All for one and one for just themself these days? How sad.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#8 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 9:59 PM EST
          Mr. Bill Davis

          I bet most of these ignorant fools profess to be Christians. If that is so, then why are they turning their backs on the poor, hungry, sick, widows and orphans? The Lord Jesus will take note of their hypocritical behavior when they stand before him at the Judgment seat.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#9 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 10:58 PM EST
          swcityDeleted
          Left Coast

          Right on Mr. Bill Davis. I couldn't agree more.

          • 2 votes
          #9.2 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 1:17 PM EST
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          Caryl S. Foster

          It would be interesting to know how many are current members of the AARP.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#10 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 11:43 PM EST
          Wizeguy

          "We're not going to leave this Hill until we kill this bill," declared Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.

          Then I guess he will be there a long long time. I also heard that woman proclaim how she "don't want to pay for someone else's health care"! Who does she think pays for those expensive ER visits now? It's a simple formula when you have affordable and available health care you stay healthy. Otherwise you become a burden on society unless of course you die fast.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#11 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 6:16 AM EST
          deccles02

          I noticed the sign in the picture says "socialistic healthcare" instead of socialism. For starters there's absolutely nothing social about the health care bill. Its completely geared to benefit private insurance company profits and continue down the same road we have right now, so these people are clueless to what the truth really is.

          Secondly, is it socialism, or is it almost socialism? Which one is it?

          I really wish the Repressive Party would make up their dam minds!!!

            Reply#12 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 8:51 AM EST
            tmullins

            The status quo needs to be killed before it kills another child from a hospital acquired infection they are infesting us with. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 Best health care in the world my @ss !

              Reply#13 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 9:28 AM EST
              Dave Broom

              I think that many people of this country have decided that a "two party system" should comprise of not the democrats and the republicans but of the "Have and Have not".

              So these people have decided to put the "Have not" in a group that somehow vilifies them and blames them for having to obtain help from the government which in turn would affect their so called freedoms from government takeover of the healthcare system.

              So in turn by taking away more from the "Have not" guarantees the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to this group.

              So when I hear this kind of talk and even the actions taken by the "kill the bill" protesters, I wonder what would their protests be if they were in the "Have not" group.

              And also I wonder if the ulterior motives of this protest also concerns the actions of certain members of congress who would love to see the destruction of any bill that would take the President down with it.

              These members of congress have shown their true colors on this action to often to disregard it.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#14 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:31 PM EST
              swcityDeleted
              Ms. Crittenden

              I would love to pick up and leave, but there is the issue of selling our homes. We had plenty of work from the automotive industry up unitl recently. Now we have block after block of houses for sale or forclosed, and no one to buy them. Those who do find the opportunity to get out, need those jobs at your company. I'm not sure what is going on with the original descendants from your area, I am familiar with a few areas like that myself, but most of us aren't from those types of areas. There are many middle class workers who up until now, had very good and stable jobs and never needed welfare or do drugs.

                #14.2 - Sat Nov 7, 2009 7:56 PM EST
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                The Spirit

                What makes you think these people were all conservative?

                  Reply#15 - Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:14 AM EST
                  downhillracer

                  The way to solve the health care crisis is to bring back the DRAFT. If we had a draft with ZERO exemptions (even for disabled workers) we never allow all or money to be wasted and stolen in Iraq & Afghanistan. Plus you would have to fund wars by raising taxes today not on future generation. But government has no guts so it is easier for them to hire mercenary's and borrow the money from China.

                    Reply#16 - Sat Nov 7, 2009 9:32 AM EST
                    downhillracer

                    The way to solve the health care crisis is to bring back the DRAFT. If we had a draft with ZERO exemptions (even for disabled workers) we never allow all or money to be wasted and stolen in Iraq & Afghanistan. Plus you would have to fund wars by raising taxes today not on future generation. But government has no guts so it is easier for them to hire mercenary's and borrow the money from China.

                      Reply#17 - Sat Nov 7, 2009 9:33 AM EST
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