Hospital: Ft. Hood shooting suspect awake, talking

I agree with you mostly, but he is not a martyr of his beliefs, he and his horrific act is to be judged not his religion , why arnt u judging the religion of yesterday miami shooter ?or the religion of the virginian tech shooter ? etccc he represents no-one but himself and his failure as a despicable human. using the tragedy to accuse our minorities who are largely loyal to our country is not unamerican

FH

Im not judging this man's religion. Where did you see me call him a Muslim until right now?

He wanted to die a martyr for his beliefs as most Islamic radicals do.

He is a failed martyr.

Jason Rodriguez is a failed human, American, using violence as a means to an end.

and for the record the event here in Florida happened in Orlando not Miami.

Get a map next time and it's not a good idea to assume.

Susi, sorry, u r right , he maybe a martyr of his personal beleifs , but u r assuming that he acted out of religious fanatic motive, that is an assumption, but also maybe he went psyco like most shooters do , that is the likely events in most shootings ( schools and work place shooting) the base was his work place. In either scenario, he must be a mental case to carry out such a horrific act of violence

He gave away all his personal belongings the week prior. His rhetoric on blogs were more and more radicalized to the point he was being tracked and investigated.

He was preparing himself to die as a martyr.

I'm not slamming Islam nor the fact that he is Muslim nor blaming Muslims or Islam.

I blame him for crossing the line. But he wanted to die as a martyr as the terrorists have and will continue to do so. That is the perverted, twisted, interpretation of Islam's tenets.

susi must say that u seem pretty intelligent , i am happy u r posting, the posts on this topic have been largely racist and the forums were turning into kkk meeting place

FH-Ohio, islam is not a race, ask your imam.

One cannot be racist in criticizing a religion that spans many races.

Charles Whitman. Not Muslim, but an American Soldier. Look it up.

FH-Ohio - Please use proper English or stop fighting on the liberal side. We don't need fools. Typos happen but when you say "u r" it makes us all look bad. Stop.

Earth to Susi.

Before this slime-bucket squeezed off rounds to kill 13 and maim 29, he yelled "Alahu Akbar". That is Arabic for "God is great".

A person would have to be blind to not make the simple connection that this massacre was about Holy Jihad, killing the Infidel.

I await your rebuttal.

Thanks FH-Ohio.

u r right jstTim, i am ignorant i guess, thank you for the enlightenment, the forum was enlightening over all , iam grateful to you all, i learned how muslims are criminals, they caused the war in iraq ,tricked poor cheney into a war , but considering how evil they are i think they caused most our wars too in Vietnam and korea , and also the civil war cuz they were behind slavery i think ,

Anrkist OK

Let's be fair here. There's no use in bandying around the terms 'Muslim' or 'Christian' when referring to this horrific deed. Neither one of those religions condones this man's actions, no matter what you may have heard.

Some people in the Middle East would say that when we indiscriminately bomb targets in those countries and there are casualties that include women and young children, or when we force Muslim men to the ground and strip-search them...

Well, you get the idea. Sometimes if you give pain and misery, you should not be surprised when it comes back to bite you in some form, even if it is in the actions of a lunatic.

This Newsvine article on terrorism shows what really motivates these types of actions. It's probably not why this wacked-out shrink did what he did, but it does give you another view on things.

Let's face another hard truth while we're at it. If the U.S. were not currently engaged in two wars in the Middle East, those soldiers in Texas would be alive today. That is a fact, like it or not. And don't forget the thousands of soldiers we've already lost in the Middle East since 2002. Make sure you mourn for them, as well. They also have families.

Now maybe you begin to see the whole thing is going nowhere, especially in Afghanistan. And believe or not, I'm going to blame some of this on the previous Administration, who told the U.S. people a pack of lies in order to justify their actions. Look where are now.

LOOK where we are NOW.

(Signed)

A U.S. Army Vet

A rebuttal Scotty or a chance for you to go on a tirade?

I don't engage in tirades nor with people with veiled attempts at hiding their bigotry.

I think I have stated my peace so I don't need to restate.

Susi , nice catch

swcity: Oh, like Lee Harvey Oswald, who never had a chance to answer questions from the FBI about why he did what he did, whether he had accomplices or acted alone, and so on? You really don't want this man to live to take questioning? That's a really intelligent approach.

Re the use of the term "racism" to describe anti-Islamicism: It's true that "Muslim" does not connote a race. It's a religious conviction shared by people of European, Near Eastern, African and east Asian origins. But a lot of Americans, especially since 9/11, use the term "Muslim" as an epithet, and use it interchangeably with "Arab," which connotes an ethnic, although not a racial group. Some also use it even more vaguely to mean any non-white person with ancestors from Islamic countries. That's why the hard-core birther loonies can still go on insisting that Obama is a Muslim, even though he has never been an adherent of the Muslim faith: after all, his father came from Africa, and from a country in which a fair percentage of the people are Muslim, he has an Arab sounding name, and he's "swarthy." Meets the definition to a T, or perhaps I should say, "to a tea," as far as some Americans are concerned. Perhaps we should call it bigotry, xenophobia, ethnocentrism, or some other term than racism, but actually, for all practical purposes, "racism" comes about as close as any term to describing the spoutings of Orly Taitz, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and their ilk.

Trex, you acknowledge the lie and then excuse it based on the ignorance of others.

Sure lots of people hate islam because they are racists. Many others hate islam on its own merits.

Those who condemn all muslims are not thinking logically. However defending all muslims by stating that hatred of islam must be hatred of muslims or of races of muslims is false, and perpetuates the view that muslims often lie. Tell the truth. Many of us (Americans) have no problem with muslims and some serious problems with islam.

Religion is not granted the freedom to trample the freedoms of others here. Just because you allow it doesn't mean we will. However we will be here to save your butts if islam (or christianity or whatever) becomes too oppressive for you.

Bravo Eric, u r right man, the root of this crime is critical to understand, suicide in the military is record high and violance is rampant and that is ignored largely in public discussions , hope this tragedy will cast light on the matter rather than truning the subject into racist discussion

Gosh, it really IS America's fault after all!

swcity, why do you suppose it is that after years of war some people on both sides of the conflict become so desperate and angry that they'll commit suicide and try to take others down with them? You do realize, don't you, that Hasan isn't the first American soldier in recent years to attempt to commit "suicide by cop?" And if these wars drag on much longer, he won't be the last.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2243

Eric you are correct. Americans are turning on each other. The competitive free market society dehumanizes other human beings. For instance it creats a I win and you will lose ---FOOL. Capitalism creats aggression.

In this case the Muslim guy was in the Army. I know what dehumanizing is all about being around soldiers myself being one in an American elite unit.

I am sure bad mouthing Muslims was and is the order of the day in the Army. Before you kill someone you have to dehumanize him or her. The US Army could not have done this man, the nation or soldiers any worse by putting this guy in this job. The stupid dumbness of the US Army does not surprise me.

I am sure bad mouthing Muslims was and is the order of the day in the Army. Before you kill someone you have to dehumanize him or her. The US Army could not have done this man, the nation or soldiers any worse by putting this guy in this job.

Bob Jones, your insight here in this post is right on the money.

Thanks. I hope there is some public humiliation for the jerks in the US Army mental health community who are in charge. Their command culture sucks.

The poor guy was shoved over the edge...my a$$. He was amongst the most pampered in the military. He chose to be there, he chose to take an expensive education and he used what he learned about the human psyche to contrive a plan that would cut to the core of the military's essential sense of strength. His act was cold, calculated and religiously motivated.

I am glad he didn't die. I hope he lives a long life moved from one army base to the other to do time in stocks at their main gates.

He was shot 4 times. I say one more should do it

It might be smarter to interrogate him first and find out if he was in a sleeper cell or if he'd received instructions to commit this terrorist act.

Since we are at war with terrorists, once we have all the information we need, I believe you're right, and the death penalty would be warranted.

That last comment was well-researched, fully-linked, and very long.

Let me drop the Christian equivelent on you:

The Bible says: 'Thou Shall Not Kill'

And yet...we often go to war and kill anyway, and this killing is somehow justified. Makes about as much sense as justifying suicide-bombers.

People often kill for a religious belief, even when that belief, in reality, tells them NOT to kill. It's the ultimate oxymoron of the human condition, and until we learn to rise above it and work together, we will never be more than a third-rate planet out on edge of a second-rate galaxy.

In my book, Say Goodbye to the Sun, it says this in the Foreword:

'Warning!

This planet is class Z!

Inhabitants are xenophobic and warlike

Do NOT attempt landing...'

BTW, i am sure it is not a christian government in washington, (obama said so) I believe he even said this was not a christian nation!

As did a poll taken by I believe it was either Newsweek or Time magazine last fall, during campaign. According to the poll, which Obama may have been quoting, for the first time in the country's history more people answered that they had no religious preference than those who did.

How many of us grew up singing those beloved, stirring hymns in church like "Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before!" And then there's that great one "The Son of God goes forth to war, a kingly crown to gain, his blood-red banners stream afar! Who follows in his train?"

Oh, what's that you say? It was just metaphor? No actual call to violence intended? No reference at all to the Crusades? It was all just about a call to spiritual commitment? Okay, whatever. But if you ever saw that wonderful old movie "The Man who Would be King," you might recall that the two disreputable soldiers of fortune sing "The Son of God Goes Forth to War" to psych themselves up for their own personal little imperialist adventure, as they set out to conquer "Kafiristan," a country that looks a whole lot like Afghanistan, by the way.

Tony: It's simple -- NOBODY gets a discharge. They're sending wounded men, some with serious brain damage, back into combat in Iraq because they just plain haven't got enough warm bodies to use for cannon fodder. And this guy just wanted out because of some wimpy little psychological problems? Any soldier who seeks therapy for mental problems is stigmatized and harassed as a "pussy and a little kid." Oh yes, this is well documented. Expect more people like Hasan to snap like this, whether they are Muslims or not.

American Muslims served in the military since the revolutionary war, that is a fact, Today, thousands of Muslim Americans are part of the military and law enforcement agencies . They add cutural and lingustic advantage. If we are in a moral war then I dont think they will be reluctant to perform their duty for their country even if the enemy happens to be a muslim country

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swcity: Whoa, careful there! Did you actually write this? "you see, an Arab may have a different belief than a Muslim, and both of their names will be spelled similar." That undermines a key concept of right wing dogma, you know, which is that any man with a name like Barack Hussein Obama must by definition be both a Muslim and "a Ay-rab," as that charming woman at a McCain rally called him. And of course, therefore, also by definition, not an American citizen. Surely you don't mean to undermine all those sacred tenets, do you?

Muslim schooling my arse. He went to a school in Indonesia that was NOT a madrassa. He once wore traditional dress on an official visit to an African country, pretty standard protocol.

I do admire you for at least recognizing and trying to reconcile all the absurd contradictions in the various epithets that have been slung at Obama, but do you think now maybe YOU could take one more baby step, and start asking whether any of them in fact have anything whatsoever to do with the truth?

Thanks Trex!

Saddam Hussein would be proud of you. That was his philosophy, too. I love the way Americans try to demonstrate their moral superiority to someone who commits a heinous crime by suggesting that we do the same to him only worse, while taking a few innocent victims along for good measure. I notice that you approvingly speak of "disgrace for him and his family," even though his family has already strongly condemned his actions, expressed their sympathy for the victims and asserted their American patriotism. So you say, what the hell, punish 'em anyway for sharing some of the same DNA? That's the same philosophy that can justify ramming a couple of passenger planes into buildings because of American foreign policy in the near east; even if most of the people who die have nothing to do with that foreign policy, they still deserve it for being citizens of a country against which you have a grievance. And of course, it's also the mentality that allows us to justify killing civilians in bombing raids on a country that didn't attack us, because after all, they're all just Muslims and Ay-rabs and they all have it coming.

Listen to yourselves. for heaven's sake! Is there a dimes' worth of moral difference between your bloodthirsty calls for revenge and the actions you condemn?

Nonsense. He'll either plead guilty, or else "not guilt by reason of insanity." That is, if he's ever psychologically fit to stand trial, which he may never be.