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Va. teen suffers rare illness after swine flu shot

Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:44 PM EST
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msnbc.com News — By JoNel Aleccia, health writer, msnbc.com

After being hospitalized for 5 days Jordan McFarland poses for a portrait at Inova Fairfax Hospital November 10, 2009 in Falls Church, Virginia. Jordan McFarland, age 14, allegedly came down with Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) after receiving a vaccination for H1N1.

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— A 14-year-old Virginia boy is weak and struggling to walk after coming down with a reported case of Guillain-Barre syndrome within hours after receiving the H1N1 vaccine for swine flu.

Jordan McFarland, a high school athlete from Alexandria, Va., left Inova Fairfax Hospital for Children Tuesday night in a wheelchair nearly a week after developing severe headaches, muscle spasms and weakness in his legs following a swine flu shot. He will likely need the assistance of a walker for four to six weeks, plus extensive physical therapy.

“The doctor said I’ll recover fully, but it’s going to take some time,” the teenager said.

Jordan is among the first people in the nation to report developing the potentially life-threatening muscle disorder after receiving the H1N1 vaccine this fall. His alarming reaction was submitted via msnbc.com's reader reporting tool, First Person, by his stepmother, Arlene Connin.

Increased cases of GBS were found in patients who received a 1976 swine flu vaccine, but government health officials say they've seen no rise in the condition associated with the current outbreak.

So far, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have received five reports of GBS in people who received the H1N1 vaccine since Oct. 6, not including Jordan’s case, said Dr. Claudia J. Vellozzi, deputy director for immunization safety.

Out of about 40 million doses of H1N1 vaccine available to date, that’s a far lower rate of GBS than the 1 case that develops in every 1 million people who receive the regular flu vaccine.

"It's much less than we'd expect," she said, adding that many cases go unreported.

In 1976, about 1 additional case of GBS developed in every 100,000 people who were vaccinated against the swine flu, according to the CDC.

Jordan's parents said doctors diagnosed the teen with GBS, a rare muscle disorder that develops when a person’s own immune system attacks the nerves, causing muscle weakness, difficulty walking and sometimes paralysis and death.

Hospital officials didn't dispute that the boy had GBS, but refused to comment on the boy's condition or treatment, even after his family granted permission.

“They don’t want to create a fear or panic in the community,” said Jordan's stepmother, Connin.

Connin and Jordan’s father, Calvin McFarland, both 38, believe the shot sparked the illness that came on 18 hours after the boy’s vaccination.

No clear link
But Vellozzi said there’s no clear link between the new vaccine and the disease.

“We know that GBS and other illnesses occur routinely in the U.S.,” Vellozzi said, noting that 80 to 120 cases are diagnosed each week in the general population.

“There are events that follow vaccination. That’s what they are, they happened to follow vaccination.

GBS is among the most severe adverse events being tracked with updated systems developed by the CDC, the Food and Drug Administration and the American Academy of Neurology in order to monitor the rollout of the H1N1 flu vaccine.

So far, CDC officials have received about 1,700 reports of adverse events linked to the new shot, Vellozzi said. Of those, only about 4 percent, or 68, were coded as serious. That’s on par with reports regarding seasonal vaccine.

While any harmful side effect can be devastating for an individual, when it comes to larger public health issues, the H1N1 virus is considerably riskier than the vaccine, experts say.

“The H1N1 illness is making lots of children very ill," Vellozzi said. "There’s lots of illness and lots of death."

So far, more than 4,000 people have died from H1N1 infection in the U.S., according to latest estimates by the CDC.

Since the start of the H1N1 vaccine campaign, the CDC has repeatedly warned that certain conditions, such as miscarriage, heart attack and even GBS occur regardless of immunization, and officials have urged the public not to blame the vaccine for the illnesses, but to report promptly any suspected side effects.

As of early Wednesday, CDC officials said they had received no report from Inova Fairfax about Jordan's condition. Later in the day, however, hospital spokesman Tony Raker indicated the hospital had submitted the report.

After hearing about Jordan's case from msnbc.com, CDC officials advised the family to report Jordan's case themselves.

Vaccine critic Barbara Lowe Fisher, president of the National Vaccine Information Center in Vienna, Va., said assuming all potential side effects are coincidence is a mistake. Such an attitude is likely to prevent doctors and other health workers from reporting adverse events in a timely manner, obscuring a true picture of any problems.

Fisher said only between 1 percent and 10 percent of adverse events are reported to the government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, which was set up to track problems with vaccines. A 1986 law requires reporting of certain adverse events to VAERS, but there are no sanctions for not reporting, Fisher noted. CDC officials said general reporting to VAERS is voluntary.

Fisher said she suspects that many more cases of GBS have occurred in the wake of the H1N1 vaccines.

"We basically have people blowing it off," she said. "We need to make sure people are reporting."

Eager for protection
Like many parents across the country, Arlene Connin said she was eager to protect Jordan and his brother, Lleyton, 7, against the flu. When she took the boys to their pediatrician for seasonal flu shots on Nov. 5, the provider said H1N1 vaccine was available, too.

There was “not even a thought,” that either boy would have a reaction, Connin said. Within hours, however, Jordan developed severe headaches, chills and back spasms. The family rushed him to the closest hospital, Dewitt Army Community Hospital, where doctors conducted neurological exams, a CT scan and an EKG test.

The small hospital didn’t have the facilities to diagnose or treat Jordan’s illness, so he was transferred by ambulance on Nov. 6 to Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, Va., a spokesman said. Doctors there quickly gave Jordan intravenous immunoglobulin, a standard treatment for GBS, Connin said.

“GBS, that’s the diagnosis they gave us and that’s how they were treating him,” Connin said.

A hospital spokesman, Tony Raker, declined further comment on Jordan's case. When an msnbc.com photographer asked to view Jordan's chart, even with his father's permission, hospital officials refused.

Doctors are reluctant to discuss GBS in connection with vaccines, Connin said. Anti-vaccine groups frequently cite the disorder as evidence of vaccine dangers, which public health officials fear will discourage people from getting life-saving protection, especially in the case of H1N1. 

Jordan’s experience has made his parents think hard about immunization, even though they’ve always insisted on annual flu shots. Under CDC guidelines for children 9 and younger, Lleyton should receive another booster shot of H1N1 vaccine to protect him fully against the virus.

“I have mixed emotions on that one,” Calvin McFarland, the boys’ father, said. “We’re not sure what we’re going to do about that.”

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{"commentId":10622143,"authorDomain":"kathorne2002"}
Krissy519

This is why you don't trust the government with your health. That responsibility should be our own.

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  • 23 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:02 PM EST
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doubting thomas 1

Hmmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!

This sounds like shades of the Swine Flu shots back in the 1970s ????

Remember the Third Great Lie ! "Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."

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  • 17 votes
#1.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:11 PM EST
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{"commentId":10624387,"authorDomain":"spiddas-1"}
Stewart Piddas

Four simple words...

I TOLD YOU SO!!!

OK, so did a ton of others who post here.

And the same morans who wanted the vaccine also want this unamerican muslim, (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY ), and his comrade federalies to run health care.

We the People need to take control of this Republic back and take responsibility for our own actions! Then we should follow the Constitutional law of the land in dealing with these traitors to the Republic. If I told you what it says to do, many readers would be appalled.

They say that "the South will rise again." Not only do I believe that to be true. I believe that the North and West will rise with them. I'm just afraid it may be sooner rather than later. Just my two cents.

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  • 12 votes
#1.4 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:40 PM EST
{"commentId":10624420,"authorDomain":"parthur169"}
Arthur-379160

More media hype. Remember the last time you got the stomach flu, it was a long time before you ate the food you remember eating just before you puked your guts out.

Our military service men and women get every vaccination know to man and no lasting effects.

This boy drew the short straw by sheer coincidence just after getting a harmless flu shot.

Furthermore those who claim to get the flu from a flu shot are hypochondriacs.

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  • 14 votes
#1.5 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:42 PM EST
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JeaniaExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Only a Stupid Sheeple would get Vaccinated.

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  • 10 votes
#1.6 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:01 PM EST
{"commentId":10624807,"authorDomain":"seabeebobmu2"}
Robert-301053

Arthur379160,

you didn't state if you were EVER in the military, but I was, for 13.5 yrs. Got many, many, may I say again, MANY shots, along with a whole lot of other service members going over seas. I usually got the battery every 9-12 months before my overseas deployments, and yes, for about 2 weeks after multiple injections, MOST of my fire team were sick. Not the best way to enter a combat zone! But hey, the Gov't knows best according to you. the policy makers are NOT ON THE FRONT LINES DODGING BULLETS, PERIOD!!!

I find the vaccine suspect in that "6 hours" later he came down with and was diagnosed with GBS. Looks like a pretty good assumption to suspect the vaccine!

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  • 15 votes
#1.7 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:02 PM EST
{"commentId":10624820,"authorDomain":"susserman49"}
allthumbs

All medication has potential side effects. There was nothng wrong with the vaccine itself. The problem is that it became available too late. The epidemic is rapidly waning and there is no reason to get a swine flu shot at this point. By the time you get it and derive any immunity from it, the swine flu will be history.

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  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:02 PM EST
{"commentId":10625135,"authorDomain":"mark-dilday"}
MarkD-555

So his own immune system attacked his own nerves by mistake.

It's a terrible medical condition, but the same thing could have happened if he caught a cold and his immune system reacted the same way.

This isn't even about the vaccine. Guillain-Barre syndrome. Look it up. Luckily it's treatable. All the best to him.

I just got my H1N1 vaccine. I'm liking the nasal much better than the shot. Several people at my workplace have had swine flu, they were out 3 weeks feeling terrible.

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  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:19 PM EST
{"commentId":10625147,"authorDomain":"dilan73pa"}
methewriter

all the thumbs

that's a good name for you since you make statement about the vaccines safety that not even medical experts worth their weight make . Dr Oz for example wont have his kids shot his excuse his wife wont let him due to distrust of it for safety reasons and did you know while he is promoting it he has stocks in such companies according to an article i read.

so thank God they lost this round of scare tactics for there money making sceam thats how i see it

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  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:20 PM EST
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methewriter

i dont know but when you get a shot designed to hyper stimulate the immune sys with chemicals that should not be in the body and then you imune sys freaks out and cause all kinds of damage that's all the evidence i need

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  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:23 PM EST
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qudrcps

The other side of this story is a good friend of mine - an administrative nurse - 58, healthy, normal immune system who was admitted to the local hospital's ICU after "toughing it out" for 4 days with proven H1N1.

She was unable to breathe, had a "whited out" left lung, and had 2 liters of fluid removed from around her lung. A day later, this reoccurred and a chest drainage tube was put in with another 2 liters of fluid removed.

At the present she is "stable"

Unfortunately, she had planned to get immunized, but the vaccine was not available.

The takeaway messages are:

1. Had she been born in time for the 1918 pandemic, she would be dead, as this kind of supportive care was not available back then.

2. Had she been immunized, there is no guarantee that she wouldn't have gotten H1N1, but it certainly would have been less severe.

3. Current vaccine technology is fairly primitive using fertilized chicken eggs and is tedious and slow. Better techniques using dog kidney cell cultures are in the pipeline, but not ready for "prime time". This would cut the vaccine production time from weeks to days and is much more efficient in terms of vaccine produced.

4. Guillain- Barre is a known rare complication of some vaccines, AS WELL AS CASES THAT OCCUR WITH NO OBVIOUS ANTECEDENT. It is most unfortunately that this teen developed GBS, whatever the cause.

5. There is the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program for those who have been injured by vaccines.

On October 1, 1988, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (Public Law 99-660) created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). The VICP was established to ensure an adequate supply of vaccines, stabilize vaccine costs, and establish and maintain an accessible and efficient forum for individuals found to be injured by certain vaccines. The VICP is a no-fault alternative to the traditional tort system for resolving vaccine injury claims that provides compensation to people found to be injured by certain vaccines. The U. S. Court of Federal Claims decides who will be paid.

6. It is NOT too late to become immunized. it is out there, and there is possibility you can acquire it.

7. Use common sense - cover your sneezes and WASH YOUR HANDS - A LOT!!!

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  • 12 votes
#1.12 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:37 PM EST
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stspecialk

Watch the conspiracy theory nuts jump!!!!

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  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:48 PM EST
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Ken Driessen

http://ezinearticles.com/?A-H1N1-Swine-Flu-Likely-Originated-in-US-Lab&id=2526695

Jump?

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  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:52 PM EST
{"commentId":10626044,"authorDomain":"gnomesatwork"}
P. Courtney

Remember the swine flu outbreak 1976? I do. I was working as a nurse and took care of many, many people that had Guillian-Barre after the flu shot. Coincidence? Hardly. 2009, same government lies. No definite connection my eye. I've never taken a flu shot for that very reason

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  • 11 votes
#1.15 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:02 PM EST
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gemini618

I came down with GBS out of nowhere back in Feb of '81. I was completely debilitated within 3 days, hospitalized for over 1 month because I was completely paralyzed from the neck down and remained that way for over 8 months. I had to drop out of college for the rest of the year and was completely dependent on others. I almost died at the hospital after the disease paralyzed my chest and lungs so that I could barely breathe and they were going to have to put me on a respirator. I'm not sure how this kid progressed but my GBS started with numbness and tingling in the arms/legs and then eventually spread throughout the entire body w/in a few days with severe weakness and excrutiating burning, throbbing pain and then paralyzation.

The FIRST thing the neurosurgeon who diagnosed me asked me was " Did you ever have a Swine Flu Shot ?"

I'd never had one though because I'm deathly afraid of shots/vaccines and needles PERIOD. After I recovered I had no real problems until about 1999 when I developed Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and Rheumatoid Arthritis... all 3 are immune system diseases....which my physicialns state I was "predisposed" to because of my bout w/GBS. Although GBS can be "treated"... it can't be "cured" and can be permanent or can recur at any time.

It's NOT a disease that I would wish on anyone. It's EXTREMELY painful and requires high doses of cortizone and opiates to relieve nerve inflammation and probably some of the worst pain I've ever experienced before.

I hope this kid has a "mild" case. I was never lucky enough to have physical therapy back then. I got prednisone and painkillers and that's about it.

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  • 5 votes
#1.16 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:04 PM EST
{"commentId":10626084,"authorDomain":"stspecialk"}
stspecialk

Ken, did you even read about the author?

"William Sutherland is a published poet and writer." Nice credentials!!!!

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  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:04 PM EST
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stspecialk

fibromyalgia is not an immune system disease (neither is chronic fatigue). Fibromyalgia is primariy considered a psychological disorder. Don't get me wrong, I believe that you feel pain, it just isn't caused by anything physical (look it up before you comment, please).

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    #1.18 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:07 PM EST
    {"commentId":10626164,"authorDomain":"jonelaleccia"}
    Bobby-1464167

    I too had GBS in 1984 at the age of 18, just 5 days before my HS graduation. I had experienced paralysis due to GBS for a month; thankfully my recovery was swift as I resumed normal body function within 3 months. May prayers are for Jordan McFarland to recover as well and as fast as I did. Keep a positive attitude, use the skills you have learned as an athlete to learn to walk again, and most of all know that GOD has a plan for your life which includes this illness GBS. We both, as many others who have been struck by GBS, now know intimately what it's like to be disabled (wheel chair bound). This, at least for me, was and is a great life lesson concerning empathy and compassion for others who remain in this type of state for their entire life. May God bless you through the Lord Jesus Christ and get well soon.

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      #1.19 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:08 PM EST
      {"commentId":10626424,"authorDomain":"jphillips122"}
      jphillips122

      My grandmother in the early 80's came down with Guillain-Barre syndrome after taking the Swine Flu vaccine.  She had been vacinated because some of the teachers had went on a cruise and the ship had an outbreak of the swine flu.  She was an employee at the school.  Grandmother said that almost immidiately after the injection she was in severe pain.  When she woke up the next morning with no pain and tried to get out of bed less than 24 hours after the vaccine, she was paralyzed from the waist down.  She remained in a wheel chair unable to walk until she passed away in 1993. 

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      • 1 vote
      #1.20 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:21 PM EST
      {"commentId":10626450,"authorDomain":"jphillips122"}
      jphillips122

      My grandmother in the early 80's came down with Guillain-Barre syndrome after taking the Swine Flu vaccine.  She had been vacinated because some of the teachers had went on a cruise and the ship had an outbreak of the swine flu.  She was an employee at the school.  Grandmother said that almost immidiately after the injection she was in severe pain.  When she woke up the next morning with no pain and tried to get out of bed less than 24 hours after the vaccine, she was paralyzed from the waist down.  She remained in a wheel chair unable to walk until she passed away in 1993. 

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      • 3 votes
      #1.21 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:23 PM EST
      {"commentId":10628246,"authorDomain":"deb-1950"}
      NJ Person

      Does anyone know if Barak, Michelle, Sasha, Malia, Pelosi, and Reid rolled up their shirts/blouses and got this untested vaccine? If you have proof, please provide a responsible news source that shows that needle going in their arms or that spray going up their noses. Thanks.

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      • 3 votes
      #1.22 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:49 PM EST
      {"commentId":10628407,"authorDomain":"deb-1950"}
      NJ Person

      Also, ask all of your own doctors, nurses, town health departments, etc., if they willingly offered their bodies and lives as government guinea pigs.

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      • 1 vote
      #1.23 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:57 PM EST
      {"commentId":10628920,"authorDomain":"realitybites-1317725"}
      realitybites-1317725

      as a well educated RN - YES I did willingly offer my arm for the swine flu injection! And why did I do this you ask, the answer is because of all the mentally challenged people out there who walk around hacking without sneezing into their inner elbow (ante cubital space), coughing on everyone around them while knowing that they have yellow or green sputum. So even though I had the H1N1 shot, I currently have acute bronchitis setting off my asthma (with a charming temp of 103.9) because of a coworker who uses all her sick days as well or "mental health" days & then comes in to infect us all when she is truly ill. Of course this person is the first one to scream/cry if you come in with gravelly voice & starts spraying everything with lysol so that you don't contaminate her or her 6 yr old. The first rule of common sense today: DON'T go to work/out in public if you are at all sick (there are other people out there besides you....) & if you do need an antibiotic - you are still contagious for the first 24 hr - please don't consider infecting the rest of the world for 36-48 hrs later. There's something wrong with the world today, the light bulb is getting dim.....

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      • 4 votes
      #1.24 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:24 PM EST
      {"commentId":10629190,"authorDomain":"spiddas-1"}
      Stewart Piddas

      stspecialk,

      Jump???

      So you actually believe that everything going on is all coincidental, eh? A real coincidence theorist, right? If it looks like BS and it smells like BS, having it served heavily buttered and with a side of fries isn't going to change it at all.

      And speaking of BS...

      And as far as Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome being psychological disorders. You are so full of BS your eyes are brown!!! You might want to actually do some research before you let your fingers near a keyboard. Though the argument still continues as to whether it is an autoimmune disease or not, is not the issue. It IS and has been recognized as a valid physical condition with valid symptoms.

      You might want to take a moment and at least check the simple stuff out to at least get an idea of what FM is medically considered to be. See below for one of many:

      http://www.arthritis-treatment-and-relief.com/understanding-fibromyalgia-and-autoimmune-diseases.html

      BTW - Don't expect a rebuttal. This is not a argument.

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      • 3 votes
      #1.25 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:40 PM EST
      {"commentId":10629363,"authorDomain":"spiddas-1"}
      Stewart Piddas

      On a different note...

      Columbus, Ohio. Childrens Hospital initially told their staff that anyone who does not take the vaccine would be terminated... Sorry. Find employment elsewhere. After pressure from the staff, management had to recant and come up with a different solution as most of the staff refused to take the vaccine. This would have left the hospital so short staffed that it would have had to close its doors. Those that do not take the vaccine simply must wear a mask until this (fake) "epidemic" is over.

      I know a quite a few medical pros in the area that have first hand knowledge of how weak this flu is and how "fishy" this vaccine really is.

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      • 1 vote
      #1.26 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:51 PM EST
      {"commentId":10629835,"authorDomain":"d737-slice"}
      D737-Slice

      Just to let you know from a medical perspective usually GBS will develope slowly over the course of 1-2 weeks. So that fact that it came on so suddenly after the flu shot is a bit suspect. As the article stated the acutally incidence of GBS has not increased among those with the shot. But for all those who want to be paranoid about one of the best governments in the world you have that right. After all, it is a free country.

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      • 2 votes
      #1.27 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:23 PM EST
      {"commentId":10630111,"authorDomain":"retphxfire"}
      Cynthia-1233995

      First:  Did any of you fools read the article or just use your conspiracy theory mentality to see what you want to see?  4,000 children have died from the disease, but only 60 serious reactions have occured with the vaccine.  Its idiotic to keep lying to yourselves or to listen to the trouble makers (Beck, O'Reilly, et al) who love to either scream and yell misleading information or complete nonsense.

      Second:  Its the imbeciles and ignorant fools like StevenP that are scarier than the virus.  Calling for an overthrow of the government for their beliefs and their interpretation of the Constitution.  Pres. Obama isn't anymore a Muslim than George Bush, but he is smarter and more honest.  What exactly has the President done that is anti-Constitutional?  That was Bush/Cheney's MO.  The Patriot Act, warrantless searches, lies to the American public, the list goes on...  You scare me more than even Cheney with your bigoted, narrow-minded and narrow-vision.  The Constitution is not some document for you to interpret or pick and choose which articles you will support (we all know you worship at the altar of the 2nd Amendment).  Its to be protected from the likes of you.

      Third:  Robert301053, I guess you would have preferred Cholera, TB, measles, malaria and other diseases that are widespread in other countries.  The reason we don't have epidemics from these disease is because at we have been vaccinated.  Sometimes I'm amazed at the level of stupididy and gullibility among the uninformed and uneducated.  If you can read and comprehend, I suggest doing some self-education.  And, yes, I was military.

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      • 1 vote
      #1.28 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:39 PM EST
      {"commentId":10630199,"authorDomain":"StephanieRN"}
      Stephanie, RN

      There are risks with all vaccines. I am not vaccinating my kids b/c they don't fall into a high risk category. However, I am a nurse and I have asthma which puts me into a higher risk category.

      I got H1N1 from a patient coughing in my face. I was wearing a mask but she coughed 6 inches from my face. I ended up with a bacterial infection with H1N1 because the virus crashed my immune system in my lungs. On top of all of this, I have asthma. I was the sickest I have ever been. I was unable to get the vaccine before I got sick but I am definitely planning on getting it now (even though they are saying after you have the virus your immunity should be built up-I don't want to be that sick ever again!!!!).

      It is very sad that this teen had a bad reaction but it is a risk of the regular flu vaccine as well as the H1N1 vaccine. People need to be as educated as possible, consider their risks (whether the risk of getting the vaccine or the risk of getting H1N1) and make a decision (ie no one should be making the decision for them). Above all else, use common sense-if you are sick, stay home; practice good handwashing; cough into your elbow and use a mask around people if you are sick.

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      • 3 votes
      #1.29 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:44 PM EST
      {"commentId":10630597,"authorDomain":"qudrcps"}
      qudrcps

      Stephanie -

      Lets put some numbers to that, it's what public health people do.

      As has been pointed out, to date we have...

      4,000 deaths/ 300,000,000 US population, so...

      . . . . . The crude death rate to date is 13 deaths / 1,000,000 people.

      The reported Guillan-Barre rate is 1 case / 41,000,000 doses, or...

      . . . . . The crude complication rate is 0.024 / 1,000,000 immunized people

      If we assume that only 10% of cases were reported, then we have...

      . . . . . The crude complication rate is 0.24 / 1,000,000 immunized people

      Now assume that out of those 4,000 deaths, that 1/2 were preventable, because the vaccine is not perfect.

      . . . . . That means we have 6.5 preventable deaths / 1,000,000 people.

      So the risk ratio of developing Guillain-Barre per preventable death is...

      . . . . . (0.24 / 1,000,000) / (6.5/1,000,000) = 0.037 or 3.7% of developing Guillain-Barre for each death prevented.

      So... for those of us who went to the Clint Eastwood School of Medicine, we ask... "Well, what you have to ask yourself is, given this is a .357 magnum that'll blow your head clean off - was if 5 or was it 6? Well, in the heat of the moment, I kinda lost count, so... do you feel lucky today? Well, do ya... PUNK???"

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      • 2 votes
      #1.30 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:05 PM EST
      {"commentId":10631039,"authorDomain":"doug-wentzell"}
      the thinker-318752

      Arthur (#1.5)

      Furthermore those who claim to get the flu from a flu shot are hypochondriacs.

      I was in the military in 1976 when we were required to participate in the swine flu shot program. The majority of the military was given the shots in about a months time. During that time the majority of the military was literally in bed sick. At the military location I was at there were over 6000 military members in sick call within a couple of days of getting the shot. I know for a fact that there were many other military installations in similar conditions.

      By your inference, the majority of the U.S. military became hypochondriacs at the same time. Also, according to CDC records, the shots killed more people than the actual flu did during that course. Seems pretty extreme for those people to act out their hypochondriac condition - or did all of those people draw the short straw by sheer coincidence just after getting a harmless flu shot?

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      • 7 votes
      #1.31 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:34 PM EST
      {"commentId":10631633,"authorDomain":"spiddas-1"}
      Stewart Piddas

      Amen Thinker!

      It's disheartening to see how many mind-numbed people are out there who won't lift a finger to do any REAL research and yet are eager to regurgitate what the media propagates.

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      • 6 votes
      #1.32 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:18 AM EST
      {"commentId":10638898,"authorDomain":"dragon1986"}
      Dragon1986

      While this is disturbing news... something bigger is coming our way

      An unknown virus is spreading in the Ukraine that a microbiologist/Mossad agent warned about months before!

      http://www.rense.com/general88/bax.htm

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        #1.33 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:10 PM EST
        {"commentId":10662134,"authorDomain":"jackjohnson"}
        Ozark_Sunshine

        Arthur, you are ignorant and full of crap. I took the shots in the military for 7 years and got sick, even being hospitalized sometimes, all 7 years. I haven't had a flu vaccine shot since 1984 and have not gotten the flu either. I have a friend that received the shot on White Sands Missile Range in 1995 and still has no motor control over his arms or legs, yet was a vibrant 50 year old who played softball 2 times a week and worked out 3 times a week. How about you go take care of him for a week and explain your ignoratn comments. You don't know what you are talking about, so shut up already.

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        • 1 vote
        #1.34 - Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:29 PM EST
        {"commentId":10664550,"authorDomain":"kisinkona"}
        TC-423144

        I think you mean to say that is why we shouldn't trust the Drug companies not the Gov't, the drug companies only care about profit and that is just wrong. I would rather have a non profit health care system that main purpuse was helping the sick....not getting big dividend for their stock holders and huge bonuses for their sale people and CEO's. Every time I go to the Dr. there is a parade of Drug Reps.....pushing their drugs. I have never heard a Dr. say you should take vitamins and build up the body, so it can help heal itself...they just push chemicals on you.

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        • 1 vote
        #1.35 - Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:49 PM EST
        {"commentId":10673519,"authorDomain":"spiddas-1"}
        Stewart Piddas

        TC - Don't trust either one. The drug companies want your money, period. Whether through taxes or straight from your pocket. And the government wants both control and their piece of the action. Think of the government as a legal (not lawful) version of the mafia. That's why they gave the drug cartel companies blanket immunity from prosecution and set of a trivial little "damages fund" to make it look like they actually care...

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        • 2 votes
        #1.36 - Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:49 PM EST
        {"commentId":10676670,"authorDomain":"aceinkc"}
        Anne in KC, MO

        .. and watch the anti-vaccine fear mongerers run wild with this ONE SOLITARY reported case. Geez, people.

        If some of you would take the time to actually research GBS and potential triggers for a condition that some people are genetically pre-disposed to, you would find that they could be exposed to ANY virus or vaccine and have that be a trigger to developing the condition.

        I've had my H1N1 vaccine shot and am currently 21 weeks pregnant, so have my 4 year old and 8 month old boys. We are GBS and autism free. None of us had any side effects, even minor. The vaccine may be a 'trigger' for such things, but it's not the root cause. Not to mention, I'd rather deal with a chronic TREATABLE condition such as GBS than ... well, die of complications from any form of influenza... and if not death, then permanent lung damage/scarring which puts one at risk for any infection for the rest of their lives.

        As an RN, I've seen people in the ICU on ventilators with 6 medication drips continuously running to keep their bodies alive. No way! My kids and I are NOT going to end up like that from something preventable, thanks to vaccines!

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        • 1 vote
        #1.37 - Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:33 AM EST
        {"commentId":10682568,"authorDomain":"gozounlimited"}
        GOZO-unlimited

        The problem is..the FDA has a disclaimer on its own web site stating that no studies have shown vaccines are effective in preventing infection. So what's the point?

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        • 1 vote
        #1.38 - Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:55 PM EST
        {"commentId":10684220,"authorDomain":"aceinkc"}
        Anne in KC, MO

        GOZO, are you kidding me?

        Has the world not nearly eradicated POLIO with the help of vaccines? Give me a break! Vaccines have been proven to be effective in prevention of illnesses time and time again.

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          #1.39 - Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:07 PM EST
          {"commentId":10684249,"authorDomain":"aceinkc"}
          Anne in KC, MO

          http://polio.emedtv.com/polio-vaccine/polio-vaccine.html

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            #1.40 - Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:11 PM EST
            {"commentId":10689840,"authorDomain":"spiddas-1"}
            Stewart Piddas

            .. and watch the anti-vaccine fear mongerers run wild with this ONE SOLITARY reported case.

            If anyone only believes what reported by approved outlets...No Comment.

            So you are an RN, eh? So is my mother, so is a cousin and so is a colleague. They refuse to get the vaccine. And so does almost every single one of the associates in the field they personally know and work with. In fact, I do not know a single person who IS taking it!

            In Columbus, Ohio, the Children's Hospital had made a policy that whoever did not get take the H1N1/Mexican flu vaccine would have to find employment elsewhere. ie - Take it or you're fired! They soon found out that the amount of staff refusing to take the vaccine was so great that it would force them to close their doors, so they were forced to change the policy. Take the vaccine or wear a mask during the season. This is from multiple inside sources. This alone should make anyone wonder what's wrong with this vaccine?

            And Polio... For starters, remember that vaccines then were not preserved the same way as they are now. They didn't have all of the man-made toxic soup available at that time. And then do a bit of research on the deaths related to the vaccine... If you can find them. While you're at it research the smallpox vaccine and virus. And ask yourself this; " If smallpox has truly been eradicated, why is it that the alleged two most powerful governments in the world has to have the only remaining strain in the control 'just in case' the other side decides to make it "weapons grade" for a biological attack." And never mind the part about the US sent the USSR/Russia what they currently have.

            And then look into post #1.33.

            Follow the money. It really is that simple. There is no such thing as "acceptable" losses.

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            • 2 votes
            #1.41 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:17 PM EST
            {"commentId":10691736,"authorDomain":"aceinkc"}
            Anne in KC, MO

            I find nothing wrong with employers making the vaccine a requirement to maintain employment. RN's are required to have yearly TB testing (injected just under the skin) and other vaccinations to maintain employment, along with the continuing education hours that are required. I distinctly remember being required to have my hepatitis vaccination series completed. Requiring a healthcare employee to take a needle for their employment is not a new thing.

            BTW, how is anyone making any money off of the H1N1 vaccine? I'd like to know that considering it is made through a lengthy and costly process AND the H1N1 vaccines are being distributed in the U.S. for FREE. Where is all this MONEY that people keep flapping their jaws about? Mmmmmmm. Are there any FACTS to support this supposed money trail?

            Yes, I am an RN with over 8 years of experience, 6+ of them in Adult ICU, and I had the vaccine. I didn't grow a third eye or become paralyzed. I am perfectly fine.... unlike the 28 year old pregnant woman we had admitted to our unit who had to have an emergency c-section at 36 weeks and was ventilator dependent for approx 2 months before being weaned off. The possibility of that is much more scary to me than any possible side effect (yes, mostly made up by anti-vaccine fanatics) from the H1N1 vaccine.

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              #1.42 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST
              {"commentId":10692019,"authorDomain":"santino1"}
              Santino42

              BTW, how is anyone making any money off of the H1N1 vaccine? I'd like to know that considering it is made through a lengthy and costly process AND the H1N1 vaccines are being distributed in the U.S. for FREE. Where is all this MONEY that people keep flapping their jaws about? Mmmmmmm. Are there any FACTS to support this supposed money trail?

              Are you serious...it came from our taxes. It is and was not free. The only trick is that the people (like myself) who will not and have never received any influenza vaccine will not get my money back from the vaccine that me and my family does not need.

              Requiring a healthcare employee to take a needle for their employment is not a new thing.

              For H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines it would be new in IL for health care providers.

              The possibility of that is much more scary to me than any possible side effect (yes, mostly made up by anti-vaccine fanatics) from the H1N1 vaccine.

              You have a link for this? You really think there are no side effects from vaccines?

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              • 1 vote
              #1.43 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:53 PM EST
              {"commentId":10694126,"authorDomain":"aceinkc"}
              Anne in KC, MO

              Never did I specifically say there were no side effects possible from vaccines. However, what I meant to get across (and apparently didn't do a great job at the 1st time) was saying that I believe the 'hype' and 'over-exaggeration' from the anti-vaccine front is an attempt to promote undue fear and sway people against getting vaccinated.

              There are risks of side effects of adverse reactions from any medication or vaccination. I am aware of that.

              As for the money trail, I don't believe people are becomming millionaires because of H1N1 vaccine production. Seriously. There is so much liability associated with producing and distributing vaccines that many pharmaceutical companies prefer not to be involved in their production. After all, they are being blamed for autism, among other things. It costs money in legal related fees due to people being so fearful and sue-happy nowadays. If it was such a cash cow, I doubt that would be the case and the drug companies would be lining up to produce vaccines of any kind.

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              • 1 vote
              #1.44 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:32 PM EST
              {"commentId":10694479,"authorDomain":"santino1"}
              Santino42

              There is so much liability associated with producing and distributing vaccines that many pharmaceutical companies prefer not to be involved in their production.

              There are many other reasons why makers take a pass on vaccine production such as; raw material availability and costs, safety and quality regulations, patented processes for making the vaccine etc...

              The people who will profit the most off of this will be the makers, GSK, Baxter etc...and their shareholders. When you sign a contract with a country for a quantity of product in the billions I think they are getting paid well.

              I would love to know the actuall manufacturing cost for one dose of H1N1 vaccine before shipping...Am I the only one who would like to know what kind of markup they are charging per dose?

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              • 2 votes
              #1.45 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:07 PM EST
              {"commentId":10696216,"authorDomain":"spiddas-1"}
              Stewart Piddas

              There's probably a lot of people who would like to know the mark up, but the odds of getting that info, (from the correct set of books), is slim to none, ain't it?! ~_o The bigger problem is the mark down... In lives. Remember the Georgia Guide Stones? Like they say, the best place to hide anything is out in the open...

              What the sheeple suffer from is called cognitive dissonance. It's like when they were told that "the fat guy in the red suit" wasn't real. (Shhhh! Don't say it! They might hear you!) "No!!! It's not true!!!" ...Whatever.

              The trouble is that most of these people are afraid to ask even the simplest question... Out loud! Like; "How can a professional company like Baxter have so many gosh darned accidents and still be in business? I mean, all those klutzes running a huge, multinational drug company, that says they care so much for us, and yet they still can't keep track of the vaccines and viruses and where they're going." Instead, these were the questions asked:

              how is anyone making any money off of the H1N1 vaccine?

              the H1N1 vaccines are being distributed in the U.S. for FREE.

              Where is all this MONEY that people keep flapping their jaws about?

              Are there any FACTS to support this supposed money trail?

              Contracts between the federal government and the drug cartel propagating a "fear" based marketing campaign and gullibility of the masses.

              There ain't no such thing as free, OK? Ergo taxes. (As was pointed out earlier.)

              Going to the Astor, Bundy, Collins, DuPont, Freeman, Kennedy, Li, Onassis, Reynolds, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Russell and Van Duyn families, et al.

              More than you can even imagine! RTFI (Research The Friendly Internet)

              No offense intended, with all of your 8 whole years of experience, (mums got 46), you did realize that this is an attenuated vaccine, didn't you? I'm sure you know what that means, right?

              But that's alright. If things get worse, you can have mine, too, if that will make you feel better.

              BTW - An attenuated vaccine contains live pathogens which are "supposed to be" weakened to produce an immune response without allegedly causing the severe effects of the disease. But with all of these little "accidents" these drug companies keep having... Anyhow, most standard vaccines are not attenuated. They use dead pathogens and the side effects attributed to them are usually from the other components of the vaccine.

              "...I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." -- Morpheus (The Matrix)

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              • 2 votes
              #1.46 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:42 AM EST
              {"commentId":10750848,"authorDomain":"aceinkc"}
              Anne in KC, MO

              Stewart, you are purposefully hateful and demeaning with your responses. I've participated in debate before, but the level of hatred for someone with an opposing opinion is disturbing to me.

              I'm aware of what an attenuated vaccine is. The LAIV seasonal and H1N1 fluMIST nasal spray vaccines are attenuated. The injectable versions of these vaccines (seasonal and H1N1) are NOT attenuated... but I'm sure YOU knew that as well, will all your internet -based research and Mum's 46 years of antiquated experience. My main point in stating my own years of experience, BTW, was to point out that I am not fresh out of school and have a good level of experience under my belt in intensive care. I have seen the critical results of someone who has contracted H1N1 firsthand. ;)

              As a pregnant woman, I received the injectable preservative-free (inactivated virus) form. I also requested the injectable preservative-free form for my children.

              Stewart, obviously you are entrenched in your beliefs as I am in mine. We are not going to change each other's mind's about this. Better just to agree to disagree and move on.

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                #1.47 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:34 PM EST
                {"commentId":10831789,"authorDomain":"spiddas-1"}
                Stewart Piddas

                I'm curious as to how someone could be called "hateful & demeaning" in written text, with neither the known or intended inflections, nor the use of "name calling", which is prohibited here, as I understand it. Only the facts are stated, and added to as I find more. If you felt that way, my sincerest apologies, as I am not here to make enemies. That doesn't benefit anyone, does it?

                Because of the personal research done, yes, the attenuated/non-attenuated differences were known about.

                At least you made the better choice by using the preservative free version. That one was made available after enough pressure, because of the concerns, was put on the CDC to mandate manufacture of it. Too bad it's in such short supply for those who would like at least that choice.

                You are correct in the fact that I will never be swayed to take the vaccine. Too much Genetic engineering/tampering going on coupled with a knowledge of what is going on "behind the scenes" in the big picture. The rabbit hole goes mighty deep, Alice!

                One thing I will point out...

                and Mum's 46 years of antiquated experience.

                You and I both know that this is an uncalled for remark, as she isn't a party to the conversation/debate. Or at least you should. All of her CE's and annual testing are current and up to date. (Continuing Education) So there is nothing antiquated about her knowledge. She just has more "hands-on" experience in more areas of the discipline, and how the system works. She did ICU at the local Childrens Hospital for a while. She also did: OR, ER, General Med/Surgery, Neurology, Geriatrics and Hospice, too. (I may have miss one or two, but I think the point has been made.)

                Pretty well rounded, eh? (Yes, I understand some specialize and others do not. That is an individual choice.) Her time on the job was only pointed out as a comparison. Besides, you wouldn't really say that to any of the senior staff doctors or nurses where you work, would you? You might want to keep this in mind when you hit 20, 30, or 40+ years on the job. Just a thought...

                See ya 'round the vine...

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                • 1 vote
                #1.48 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:08 PM EST
                Reply
                {"commentId":10622176,"authorDomain":"anaerobicman"}
                Deke-1776

                Of course the CDC says there's no clear link, even though the vaccine insert says that this is a potential side effect.

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                • 14 votes
                Reply#2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:03 PM EST
                {"commentId":10623601,"authorDomain":"kkhall"}
                kaara

                Right....the same way they say there is no link between children's vaccines and autism.

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                • 10 votes
                #2.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:04 PM EST
                {"commentId":10623614,"authorDomain":"gozounlimited"}
                GOZO-unlimited

                If you acquire Guillain-Barre syndrome within hours after receiving the H1N1 vaccine for swine flu you have been injected with a contaminated vaccine. There is an impure agent or bacteria in the mix...which will result in others receiving the same substance from the same lot. (Cause thy can't connect the disease to the vaccine).

                I am not one of the priviledged who can afford to risk a health debacle...I will continue to wear my seat-belt, recommend condoms, and stay away from sick people and their vaccine....and keep my health....

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                • 10 votes
                #2.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:04 PM EST
                {"commentId":10623717,"authorDomain":"jatsusama"}
                JatsuSama

                GBS is a disorder where your immune system attacks your nervous system. It's not a bacterial infection. Could you please do some research instead of just blindly accusing a dead virus and egg whites for all the world's problems?

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                • 8 votes
                #2.3 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:09 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624052,"authorDomain":"kathorne2002"}
                Krissy519

                Kaara-

                Your statement is a theory, not a proven fact.

                I'm trying to figure out why vaccinations are to blame for autism, when the same vaccinations have been around for several decades, yet autism is on the rise, and parents vaccinating their children are in decline.

                I come from a very large family. In the 9 children, 32 grandchildren and 27 great grandchildren (of my parents) all have been fully vaccinated (childhood disease vaccinations) except for 2 great nephews. The only autistic child in my family is one of the two who have NOT been vaccinated.

                Explain?

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                • 4 votes
                #2.4 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:24 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624077,"authorDomain":"jrmcdonald"}
                Concerned-570778

                This is not that rare of an occurrence after receiving vaccines. It is way under reported. I had to insist my doctor file a report about her reaction. My daughter developed Guille Barre syndrome in 1990 after the government required a booster shot of MMR, DPT and polio for all kindergartners. Took her to the county health agency for the shot and asked the nurse if she was sure it was okay to give all three vaccines at once since they were always split apart. Within 7 days I noticed her hands shaking like an old woman and she would collapse after getting out of bed. Her symptoms subsided after a year but left her weak on the right side. It took a year for the doctors to figure out what was wrong and after running very uncomfortable and expensive test because they felt it could not be from the vaccine. Since that time I have had 6 other female nieces in my family and my husband's family that developed sezuires after immunizations. I believe we were the only ones that made our doctor file a report with the government. This is why they conclude it is "rare". I believe we may have a genetic allergy to something in the shots. The doctors told me that my daughter should never receive another vaccination since it could kill her next time. We use homeopathic tissue salts that do not contain the mercury or formeldahyde and other preservatives. There are safer and better alternatives than to the shots. There are also homepathic remedies in lieu of flu shot. This too is why I do not want the government dictating my family's heathcare. Be informed!

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                • 5 votes
                #2.5 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624498,"authorDomain":"parthur169"}
                Arthur-379160

                Concerned,

                You should be more concerned about the crap in homeopathic remedies. Many of the ingredients come from unregulated sources such as China.

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                • 4 votes
                #2.6 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:46 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624500,"authorDomain":"dilan73pa"}
                methewriter

                Jatsusama- the chemicals in the vacine "adjuvents" they call them are there to stimulate the immune system and they are all know toxins NEVER healthy for ANY one. no one not even Doctors no matter how many degrees they have or how long they have been in the field will ever garantee a vacine in writing but you are MADE TO THINK they are 100% safe

                when you report these thng to Docs they blow it off and dismiss your suspicions Thanks to the everyday people that are vigilent and vocal on these thing cause the profesion is not or willing shame on them for denials

                so you should do more research as well

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                • 2 votes
                #2.7 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:46 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624581,"authorDomain":"dilan73pa"}
                methewriter

                haha Arthur

                the Jokes on you cause the name brand meds get it from the same place out side our country

                vacines are not just some dead virus they have toxins like formaldehyde and MANY others to Stimulate the immune sys, make it extra sensitive so it can start making antibodies but what they dont knwo is how that reaction will play out in indeviduals

                so your playing a risk game

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                • 1 vote
                #2.8 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:50 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624612,"authorDomain":"Eyce"}
                Eyce

                This is why we need to make sure EVERY US REP or SENATOR who voted/votes for this healthcare reform bill is VOTED OUT OF OFFICE. These government takeovers are getting insane. Now we have our first terrorist attack since 911 and Obama and his cronies want to push it under the carpet.... "Oh, this poor Muslim was stressed... he did a bad thing, let's put him in a timeout".

                Unless these people are thrown out of office Americans will become indentured servants to the government. I'm tired of this politically correct BS. Obama sat in a church and listened to White Hate Speech for 20 years. This guy is a racist! His wife is a racist! He told countries that America is arrogant.... he was referring to white Americans. He himself is so arrogant that he referred to true Americans who voiced their opinions at the Tea Party's as Tea Baggers... a derrogatory term used by gays. That Mister Barack Hussein Obama (hmmm..hmmm.hmmm) is now a hate crime. You signed the bill buster. You should be the first one indicted for a hate crime. There is NOTHING presidential about this thug from Chicago. He is clown... a dog

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                • 3 votes
                #2.9 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:52 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624650,"authorDomain":"jatsusama"}
                JatsuSama

                and they are all know toxins NEVER healthy for ANY one.

                Well, now I'm going to need to see some evidnece that every ingredient of a vaccine is toxic.

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                • 3 votes
                #2.10 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:54 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624831,"authorDomain":"dilan73pa"}
                methewriter

                great go to the vaccine manufac website download the insert with the list of ingredients

                and one by one look them up on Google, its your friend. that's how i do it. i go to the source then research the chemicals its easy not rocket sience. f you find some like peanut oil that you don't find toxic to you since some are allergic to peanuts oops sorry but at least you will learn something

                if denial and laziness are your thing that's your problem but i did my research

                but folks just back ground check what you are sold they even put propylene glycol (anti freeze) in some foods this is just a crumb look it up your selves don't follow the blind

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                • 1 vote
                #2.11 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:03 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624891,"authorDomain":"susserman49"}
                allthumbs

                Absolutely correct: there is absolutely NO link except in the imagination between children's vaccines and autism.

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                • 4 votes
                #2.12 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:05 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624951,"authorDomain":"susserman49"}
                allthumbs

                And there is NO credible evidence that the incidence of autism is increasing.

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                • 3 votes
                #2.13 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:09 PM EST
                {"commentId":10624957,"authorDomain":"dilan73pa"}
                methewriter

                all thumbs are you being sarcastic ? realy beliave that or performed a study or have evidance deffending vacines?

                {"commentId":10624957,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"dilan73pa"}
                  #2.14 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:09 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10625021,"authorDomain":"dilan73pa"}
                  methewriter

                  and there is also no "Credible" key word here credible evidence that vacines work, are 100% safe, wont cause side affects and so on. so then what is you point?

                  {"commentId":10625021,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"dilan73pa"}
                    #2.15 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:13 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10625644,"authorDomain":"Karina-90505"}
                    Karina-90505

                    There is no link between autism and child vaccines.  The doctor who started that rumor was working for a pharma company that had an alternative vaccine that wasn't selling as well.  He was later exposed for the fraud he is.  This new story is simply media fear mongering.  Vaccines save millions.  Course, maybe everyone could just start with washing there hands!

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                    • 2 votes
                    #2.16 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:45 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10625783,"authorDomain":"stspecialk"}
                    stspecialk

                    I love conspiracy theories. They make me laugh. ANY doctor (MD/Phd) will tell you to get your children immunized.

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                    • 1 vote
                    #2.17 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:51 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10626074,"authorDomain":"jrmcdonald"}
                    Concerned-570778

                    Arthur

                    "You should be more concerned about the crap in homeopathic remedies. Many of the ingredients come from unregulated sources such as China."

                    You do need to buy any product from a reputable company. Yes even meds from the doctors and over the internet can come from China and be a fake. I order the homeopathic remedies from companies and I thoroughly checked out. The products work great! Have used them for 20+years. I like Elixir.com and Luyties which is made in the USA! Do your homework before you start criticizing. I switched to alternatives after my children and I had terrible side effects from medicines prescribed by doctors and from pharmaceuticals. Best thing I ever did. However, you do need to be educated about alternatives therapies and work with reputable companies.

                    I do agree that we need to stop buy from China and start buying from the good 'ole USA!

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                      #2.18 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:04 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10626160,"authorDomain":"drmom65202"}
                      DrMom65202

                      Maybe the vaccine caused GBS, maybe not. GBS is less than 1 in a million. More than 1 in a million die from H1N1. I think it's worth the risk.

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                      • 2 votes
                      #2.19 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:08 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10626251,"authorDomain":"sm-connors"}
                      gemini618

                      Jatsu... FYI, the disease is triggered by the adjuvants and TOXINS in the vaccine. Not bacteria or virus. Get a clue. Exposure to ingredients like squalene and thimerasol (mercury) are what are believed to cause GBS.

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                      • 1 vote
                      #2.20 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:13 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10629150,"authorDomain":"realitybites-1317725"}
                      realitybites-1317725

                      methewriter - warfarin is RAT POISON, but guess what - IT SAVES LIVES when given in trace amounts as Coumadin for people who require a blood thinner to stay alive........ ANY thing you voluntarily put into your mouth that you did not grow/make yourself has something in it that you "may" be allergic or react to. Nothing is a cure all fix all, it is a risk game just like life. It is up to each and every one of us what we do to our own bodies. No one forces me to take MY meds, but I would like to enjoy my grandchildren's lives (it's a risk I'm willing to take). Due to allergies, tolerance, etc... NO one med is a magic potion/magic wand! That would be a wonderful thought due to if it just took one thing to fix the health issues out there - there'd be NO more sickness/illness -- no pharmaceutical companies, no need for health care as we'd all be perfect.

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                      • 1 vote
                      #2.21 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:37 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10631400,"authorDomain":"santino1"}
                      Santino42

                      Maybe the vaccine caused GBS, maybe not. GBS is less than 1 in a million. More than 1 in a million die from H1N1. I think it's worth the risk.

                      For you it might be but w/ an estimated survival rate of 99 - 99.99% there's not point in me and my family getting any influenza vaccine.

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                      • 2 votes
                      #2.22 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:00 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10638142,"authorDomain":"jatsusama"}
                      JatsuSama

                      Jatsu... FYI, the disease is triggered by the adjuvants and TOXINS in the vaccine. Not bacteria or virus. Get a clue. Exposure to ingredients like squalene and thimerasol (mercury) are what are believed to cause GBS.

                      Squalene is a natural and vital part of the synthesis of cholesterol, steroid hormones, and vitamin D in the human body. Ooh, scary toxin.

                      As for thiomersal, I'm guessing that means you don't have any tattoos? Since you're afraid of mercury, I guess you don't eat fish, either?

                      {"commentId":10638142,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"jatsusama"}
                      • 1 vote
                      #2.23 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:41 AM EST
                      Reply
                      {"commentId":10622214,"authorDomain":"rdemczuk"}
                      Roksolana

                      "Out of about 40 million doses of H1N1 vaccine available to date, that’s a far lower rate of GBS than the 1 case that develops in every 1 million people who receive the regular flu vaccine."

                      What in the world does that mean? "out of ...doses of vaccine available....." What about out of vaccinations administered? Sounds like they are hiding behind mumbojumbo so (illiterate) readers will think it is insignificant. If it (Guillan Barre) happens to you, it's 100%.

                      No thanks, no vaccine and do not make people's jobs depend on receiving it, even in the health care (god I hate that term--what ever happened to "medical" ) industry.

                      Bravo to MSNBC for reporting this case.

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                      • 9 votes
                      Reply#3 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:04 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10622421,"authorDomain":"jones-race"}
                      RJ-1651

                      Yes. I'm glad these douche bags at MSNBC finally got off the Big Pharma payroll and decided to spread some truth about this drug and vaccines.

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                      • 6 votes
                      #3.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:13 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10624064,"authorDomain":"ASinNY"}
                      AS in NY

                      To be more common than normal vaccines, there would have to be fewer than 5 million doses administered, a number I find unlikely. Although I don't like the dishonesty of giving the doses available than doses given, it's not something that would make me decide not to get the vaccine.

                      {"commentId":10624064,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"ASinNY"}
                      • 1 vote
                      #3.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10625103,"authorDomain":"robertspartine"}
                      NoBush

                      What it means is the the government/healthcare industry EXPECTS a certain number of reactions. What it means is that the number of reactions SO FAR is acceptable and far less than the number of non-reactions. Kinda like war - they know some people will be killed and OH, WELL.

                      {"commentId":10625103,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"robertspartine"}
                        #3.3 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:17 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10625610,"authorDomain":"vherrig"}
                        Val-1158135

                        No one has ever guaranteed that any vaccine would not have any side effects...BUT...the chances of having a "side effect" from the illnesses any vaccine is preventing is MUCH worse than any side effect of the vaccine, and occurrances of serious problems and death are MUCH higher than with the vaccine. Let's put it this way.......would you rather have 5 children die than to have one get Guillian Barre?

                        {"commentId":10625610,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"vherrig"}
                        • 2 votes
                        #3.4 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:43 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10626058,"authorDomain":"at-lib"}
                        Ken Driessen

                        Many around Wisconsin had some kind of flu that was like no other right before this swine flu thing was dicovered in Mexico. There were no alerts about any new or paritularly bad flu or cold virus while we all suffered through it and certainly some died. So when they announced this Mexican flu I jokingly said we had it already it just took a while to move down there. Then I made a Youtube Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxjWqliw2U4

                        I honestly figured there was nothing to worry about and that I already had this flu just like I had a flu in 1975 and a week later the health department came around and vacinated everybody where I worked in Colorado Springs. Then I found out there is a good chance this flu was man made in a laboratory:

                        http://ezinearticles.com/?A-H1N1-Swine-Flu-Likely-Originated-in-US-Lab&id=2526695

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                        • 1 vote
                        #3.5 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:03 PM EST
                        Reply
                        {"commentId":10622249,"authorDomain":"willowme"}
                        Willow-453158

                        To Jordan and his parents, I'm saddened to hear of this. My prayers for you.

                        I hope that the community will do something to help with your medical costs as it was made quite clear that the drug manufacturers can not be held financially responsible.

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                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#4 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:06 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10623319,"authorDomain":"bdofelmier"}
                        cannonmama

                        What a travesty!!!

                        I sure hope that they have health insurance and live in a helpful community.

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                        • 3 votes
                        #4.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:51 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10634532,"authorDomain":"burkewj"}
                        wbforlife

                        Why do people read on the consent form that they are giving up their right to any compensation for damages and yet still submit to getting the vaccine?

                        Attention America: Drug companies have ZERO liability when it comes to vaccines. You are signing away your ability to hold them accountable for poisoning you and for what? To keep from having a few days of sickness since it is well known and extremely well documented that almost all who die from the flu have underlying conditions, vitamin C deficiencies http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi123.html and harm can be prevented by simple supplementation with vitamins C and D3 http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi115.html and http://lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi111.html

                        Above all - get informed http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi-arch.html or http://www.naturalnews.com or http://www.mercola.com for starters....

                        {"commentId":10634532,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"burkewj"}
                        • 1 vote
                        #4.2 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:54 AM EST
                        Reply
                        {"commentId":10622401,"authorDomain":"ottawahouse"}
                        Ottawa

                        MSNBC: This article is completely irresponsible. The normal flu shot has a higher rate of this problem than the H1N1, and yet you report this and basically enable idiots to not trust this vaccination.

                        So it is normal to have this syndrome year after year with the normal flu and now its a problem. You are no better than a Gossip Rag that stirs up a non issue.

                        Every one of these posters to date are the type of irrational fools that look science in the face and mistrust it.

                        {"commentId":10622401,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"ottawahouse"}
                        • 6 votes
                        Reply#5 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:12 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10622742,"authorDomain":"thomaspfwills"}
                        Captain Falcon83

                        I'm all for science and for discovering new cures for diseases, but when a vaccine is created as quickly as possible without long term studies, I'm going to hesitate getting vaccinated. Especially when the gov't basically demands everyone to take it. Since when does the gov't care about us?! Something doesn't sit well with me...

                        {"commentId":10622742,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"thomaspfwills"}
                        • 7 votes
                        #5.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:25 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10623156,"authorDomain":"ottawahouse"}
                        Ottawa

                        Every sinlge flu vaccine is created the exact same way. The Flu mutates rapidly and they rush the vaccine year after year. Thats the nature of this beast(the Flu in general), and sometimes they guess wrong as to what strain will get out, so some years you get immunized for the wrong threat. There is not one thing different about H1N1 and other flu strains in how a vaccine is created for them. The differnce is in the viruses DNA differences. In the case of H1N1, if left to do its thing, its kill rate on youth and elderly is deemed to be high enough to cause this public health escalation.

                        Yet despite decades of proof as to what vaccines have prevented, and absolute proof that vaccines have nothing to do with Autism, fools still believe in conspiracies.

                        There are still idiots out there that think that wearing seat belts actually causes more fatalities. Same morons here, and what is even more scary that there are more morons that mistrust vaccines than seat belts.

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                        • 6 votes
                        #5.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:44 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10623280,"authorDomain":"kjrusso1"}
                        Karen-858621

                        Yes, I feel the same way as Captain. I'm grateful for the vaccinations and medicines we have access to, but I'm just not comfortable with the way the H1N1 vaccine program has been handled from the beginning and I had no intentions of getting anyone in my family vaccinated this year against swine flu. (My 8 yr old son came down with swine flu a few weeks ago. He was sick for a week, mostly just some coughing and high fevers. He's fine and now the issue is moot. And neither my husband or I got sick and we were both in constant contact with our son. So I'm not concerned about us getting vaccinated either.)

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                        • 4 votes
                        #5.3 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:50 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10623368,"authorDomain":"bdofelmier"}
                        cannonmama

                        Just look at the history of science before asking us to trust it. Go back a few years and look at how we treated diseases and injuries in totally barbaric ways.

                        {"commentId":10623368,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"bdofelmier"}
                          #5.4 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:54 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10623561,"authorDomain":"ottawahouse"}
                          Ottawa

                          There are Muslims in Africa that claim that the Polio vaccine is really a plot to depopulate Africa. They have even banned it from coming into the country, and now polio is on the rise again.

                          I can't really rail against wack jobs there, when it is clear we have a big population of wack jobs here.

                          {"commentId":10623561,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"ottawahouse"}
                          • 6 votes
                          #5.5 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:02 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10623924,"authorDomain":"ciscovet"}
                          ciscoet

                          +1 Ottawa... you obviously come from a medical background as do I and unfortunately you can't expect people who have zero medical knowledge to understand these things. Just like many things in life, lots of these assumptions that people make seem logical from the outside but just like everything else in life, people don't tend to hunt for the facts. They just spew out nonsense that someone told them.

                          {"commentId":10623924,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"ciscovet"}
                          • 4 votes
                          #5.6 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:18 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10624196,"authorDomain":"onupharmdstudent12ONUPharmDStudent12"}
                          ONUPharmDStudent12

                          Agree with all of the above. It is SO important that the general public continue to protect themselves with immunizations especially with such small risk of things like anaphylaxis or GBS. Of course the media doesn't report on how many lives have been saved by the vaccine, that just wouldn't be news-worthy.

                          {"commentId":10624196,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"onupharmdstudent12ONUPharmDStudent12"}
                          • 5 votes
                          #5.7 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:31 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10625157,"authorDomain":"pnb3"}
                          About had it!!!

                          Well, I don't have a medical background, but I am a mother to 3 grown children. I am very thankful for the vaccines that helped keep my children safe from measles, polio, small pox and the flu. Yes, there was always a chance that the vaccine could have made them sick, but I figured it was a chance I had to take as a parent. Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils. Every medicine we take has the potential for risks. The government should stop denying that there may be complications from the shot, state the possible risks, and then leave people alone to make their own decisions.

                          {"commentId":10625157,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"pnb3"}
                          • 4 votes
                          #5.8 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:20 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10625805,"authorDomain":"damudame"}
                          Damu Dame

                          About had it..I agree with the last sentence 100% Be HONEST and let people decide if they are going to take those risks..

                          {"commentId":10625805,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"damudame"}
                          • 1 vote
                          #5.9 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:52 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10625822,"authorDomain":"vherrig"}
                          Val-1158135

                          cannonmamma - so yes, your family did just fine with the swine flu - but how many other people were exposed by you and your family ...........and you would never know the aquaintences in stores, in schools, at work, etc. that got it from you and had serious consequences or death. These people who die got it from SOMEONE who passed it on....did your son know the exact person from whom he got exposed??? Of course not. I feel that people have an ethical responsibility to get the vaccine for the greater good of the community (I'm a nurse and I've had mine). This vaccine is no different than any other flu vaccine, produced in the exact same manor. The process isn't new....it is just a new strain identified after the regular flu vaccines were already in production, so had to produce a separate vaccine for it.

                          {"commentId":10625822,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"vherrig"}
                          • 2 votes
                          #5.10 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:53 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10625934,"authorDomain":"vherrig"}
                          Val-1158135

                          Sorry - that comment should have been directed to "Karen"

                          {"commentId":10625934,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"vherrig"}
                            #5.11 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:57 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10628095,"authorDomain":"deb-1950"}
                            NJ Person

                            Ottawa - GBS is a non-issue? My father-in-law suffered from it and was hospitalized for several weeks.... couldn't even lift his hand off the bed. He remained weak and debilitated for another two months after discharge.

                            GBS is NOT a non-issue.

                            As far as this barely tested, but oh-so-safe "safe" H1N1 vaccine goes ... my family and I choose to not be government guinea pigs.

                            {"commentId":10628095,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"deb-1950"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #5.12 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:40 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10628465,"authorDomain":"at-lib"}
                            Ken Driessen

                            Eh Ottawa: Are you a Harper Bilderburg type'a guy eh? Are makin' buck off of this flu or what. You sound kind'a confident where real scientists are a bit more humble and say things like "we think this flu shot is safe" or to the best of our knowledge it is safe and we think if people are not vacinated there "may" be an epedemic. If you are in the medical field in Canada you sound like the kind'a guy that would want to import the sickness and death for profit Hell Care system of the US into Canada mercury and all eh.

                            About 80% of all flu shots distributed in the United States contain a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal. Thimerosal consists of 49.6% ethyl mercury, an anti-bacterial, anti-fungal that allows manufacturers to sell the vaccine in large, multi-dose containers without fear of contamination.

                            Maybe I'm wrong but it does not hurt to ask because a lot of people are making somer pretty serious ching off of this thing. Gooday

                            {"commentId":10628465,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"at-lib"}
                              #5.13 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:00 PM EST
                              {"commentId":10628542,"authorDomain":"scopeview"}
                              Scopeview

                              Ottawa -

                              "...and absolute proof that vaccines have nothing to do with Autism, fools still believe in conspiracies."

                              It's a foolish statement to say that somehow you can proof a null hypothesis absolutely when you have only limited data samples.

                              {"commentId":10628542,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"scopeview"}
                                #5.14 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:04 PM EST
                                Reply
                                {"commentId":10622441,"authorDomain":"mrsscary"}
                                mrsscary

                                It was just a matter of time before something like this was leaked to the public. We have yet to see how many of the pregnant women who got the vaccine will end up with children who are autisitic. 

                                {"commentId":10622441,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"mrsscary"}
                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#6 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:13 PM EST
                                {"commentId":10622964,"authorDomain":"icstars-1"}
                                icstars-1

                                Has the number of autistic kids gone up or down in the last 8-10 years?

                                {"commentId":10622964,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"icstars-1"}
                                  #6.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:36 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":10623692,"authorDomain":"ottawahouse"}
                                  Ottawa

                                  Vaccines have nothing to do with Autism. There is however link between old men and their old sperm. It can't be that can it, when it is better to blame someone else for your soup of bad DNA.

                                  {"commentId":10623692,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"ottawahouse"}
                                  • 4 votes
                                  #6.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:07 PM EST
                                  {"commentId":10625079,"authorDomain":"seabeebobmu2"}
                                  Robert-301053

                                  Ottowa,

                                  are you a man or a woman. Doesn't matter, you're getting older by the millisecond also, ha,ha,ha, jokes on you.

                                  {"commentId":10625079,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"seabeebobmu2"}
                                    #6.3 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:16 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":10625598,"authorDomain":"shirsmith"}
                                    squirrel-687730

                                    Gee, Ottawa-if EVERY father of an autistic child were old that might explain it, but MANY are in their 20s.

                                    Science can be very helpful-even lifesaving, but I don't stake my whole life on it. I use caution. What the CDC needs to do is to come out and be totally truthful, saying YES this case is a possible link to the virus but it is a rare occurrence. Instead, their deception shows to the public and makes people highly suspicious of them. Sure-those 6 cases aren't linked to the vaccine and Hasan isn't an American-hating murderous terrorist. This is why people do not trust government.

                                    {"commentId":10625598,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"shirsmith"}
                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.4 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:43 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":10626223,"authorDomain":"icstars-1"}
                                    icstars-1

                                    So, nobody has statistics, just conspiracy theories. And a lot of ignorance about human reproduction; a man in his 20s can be sterile and/or have defective sperm or genetic disorders--"duh".

                                    {"commentId":10626223,"threadId":"722109","contentId":"3490847","authorDomain":"icstars-1"}
                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.5 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:11 PM EST
                                    Reply
                                    {"commentId":10622473,"authorDomain":"rcrfwt"}
                                    Richard-305957

                                    Out of about 40 million doses of H1N1 vaccine available to date, that’s a far lower rate of GBS than the 1 case that develops in every 1 million people who receive the regular flu vaccine.

                                    I wonder how many cases it takes for it to become a problem?

                                    We have all heard and read how there is a committee investigating any possible problem with the vaccine.

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                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#7 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:14 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":10623311,"authorDomain":"jatsusama"}
                                    JatsuSama

                                    I wonder how many people were hit by a car after getting the vaccine? Maybe we can say that the vaccine causes you to get hit by cars, too!

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                                    • 6 votes
                                    #7.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:51 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":10623776,"authorDomain":"rcrfwt"}
                                    Richard-305957

                                    I wonder how many people were hit by a car after getting the vaccine? Maybe we can say that the vaccine causes you to get hit by cars, too!

                                    Very easy to look the other way when it is not love ones we are talking about!

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                                    • 1 vote
                                    #7.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:11 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":10623868,"authorDomain":"jatsusama"}
                                    JatsuSama

                                    Actually, it's easy to look in the right direction when you know what you're talking about. Just like it's easy to submit to fear when you don't understand things.

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                                    • 5 votes
                                    #7.3 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:15 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":10624122,"authorDomain":"ASinNY"}
                                    AS in NY

                                    Richard, the number is very simple. Simply divide the number of doses administered by 1,000,000, and if the number of cases is greater, then there might be a problem. Is that so hard to figure out?

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                                    • 3 votes
                                    #7.4 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:28 PM EST
                                    {"commentId":10625748,"authorDomain":"rcrfwt"}
                                    Richard-305957

                                    I guess it just took someone as smart as you to show me.

                                    Thanks,

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                                      #7.5 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:50 PM EST
                                      {"commentId":10625785,"authorDomain":"rcrfwt"}
                                      Richard-305957

                                      Actually, it's easy to look in the right direction when you know what you're talking about. Just like it's easy to submit to fear when you don't understand things.

                                      Or you can just go with the Monkey See, Monkey do!

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                                      • 1 vote
                                      #7.6 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:52 PM EST
                                      {"commentId":10629320,"authorDomain":"realitybites-1317725"}
                                      realitybites-1317725

                                      you do know there are a good many medications out there for paranoid delusions. OOPS, my bad, those meds have "potential" side effects also. Fear, the fuel for the ignorant.

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                                      • 1 vote
                                      #7.7 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:48 PM EST
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                                      {"commentId":10622609,"authorDomain":"josh-1463821"}
                                      Josh-1463821

                                      The author of this piece is so uninformed about the H1N1 virus that they continue to use the phrase "swine flu" in association with it. The H1N1 virus is not "swine flu", and has nothing to do with swine. The rural areas of the U.S. have lost millions of dollars in the pork production industry due to the ignorant association of H1N1 to hogs and pork products. Learn the proper terminology, and use it!

                                      I think we should start calling H1N1 "newspaper flu", or "MSNBC flu", and see if that gets these journalists attention.

                                      BTW, I am not a farmer, or in any way directly involved with the pork production industry, but many in my community are.

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                                      • 3 votes
                                      Reply#8 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:20 PM EST
                                      {"commentId":10623246,"authorDomain":"blumpkin"}
                                      BlumpkinDeleted
                                      {"commentId":10626067,"authorDomain":"vherrig"}
                                      Val-1158135

                                      Actually, pork these days (and for probably the last 40 years) is a very lean healthy meat....that's why pork chops taste dry if not properly cooked....just like chicken breasts. Sausage is fatty because they purposely grind up fat with the meat to make the sausage.

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                                      • 1 vote
                                      #8.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:04 PM EST
                                      {"commentId":10636260,"authorDomain":"sgates-1"}
                                      sylviag

                                      and there was an article in NYTimes on how smart pigs are and have self recognition!!!!. so plez, let's stop eating them!!!!!

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                                        #8.3 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:24 AM EST
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                                        {"commentId":10622746,"authorDomain":"lisa-67"}
                                        Lisa 83

                                        I too suffered from GBS following my annual flu shot in 2000 when I was 30 years old. I was hospitalized for over a week where I received IgIV. I also received physical therapy, cardiac rehab, occupational therapy, and speech therapy to aid in my recovery. The complications I suffered from GBS are too numerous to discuss here. I walked with a rolling walker for over a month after release from the hospital and still have balance deficits. I consider myself fortunate as GBS can cause paralysis or even cause death.

                                        I refuse to receive the flu shot anymore and neither will my two children. I realize that the chances of contracting GBS are extremely, extremely small, however, I cannot risk the health of myself or my family again. I will take my chances with the flu...

                                        My thoughts and prayers are with Jordan and his family as he begins his lengthy recovery. Godspeed.

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                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#9 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:25 PM EST
                                        {"commentId":10623032,"authorDomain":"EllieMae"}
                                        Ellie Mae Clampett

                                        I am with you Lisa... I have enough nerve damage running threw my entire body now, I do not need any help from either seasonal or H1N1 flu shots. I will also take my chances with both types of the flu.

                                        The studies have not been fully conducted on the H1N1 sufficiently enough for me to form a sound judgement on receiving the vaccination.

                                        I also hope for the best for Jordan and his entire family.

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                                        • 2 votes
                                        #9.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM EST
                                        {"commentId":10624174,"authorDomain":"ASinNY"}
                                        AS in NY

                                        Although I am sorry that you had to go through GBS, why can't you accept that you just happened to be the one in a million that got GBS after you got the shot and that there's no link between them? If the shot causes some to get the disease, explain how the frequency in people who got the shot is one-tenth the frequency in the overall population.

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                                        • 4 votes
                                        #9.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:31 PM EST
                                        {"commentId":10628210,"authorDomain":"scopeview"}
                                        Scopeview

                                        AS in NY: Where did you get the data showing the "one-tenth frequency"? The only explanation for that would be that the numbers you have were either wrong or made up.

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                                          #9.3 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:47 PM EST
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                                          {"commentId":10622775,"authorDomain":"KatieKat1969"}
                                          This Lil Piggy

                                          Did he get both the H1N1 vaccine and the season flu vaccine at the same time? It is not clear in the story. There should be a month inbetween...

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                                            Reply#10 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:27 PM EST
                                            {"commentId":10622892,"authorDomain":"bdofelmier"}
                                            cannonmama

                                            The father says “I have mixed emotions on that one,” Calvin McFarland, the boys’ father, said. “We’re not sure what we’re going to do about that.” This said in regards to getting a booster shot.

                                            Geez, what planet is he on?????

                                            A skull so thick a slap up side the head with a 2X4 woudn't help.

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                                              Reply#11 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:32 PM EST
                                              {"commentId":10623089,"authorDomain":"EllieMae"}
                                              Ellie Mae Clampett

                                              cannon, I think the booster shot that was mentioned is for the younger son that is not showing any adverse reactions to the initial shot. His name is Lleyton.

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                                                #11.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:41 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10623144,"authorDomain":"bdofelmier"}
                                                cannonmama

                                                You are right Ellie Mae, but it seems to me that I would run for the hills before allowing any of my chidren to be used as guinea pigs for this vaccine.

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                                                • 2 votes
                                                #11.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:44 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10623267,"authorDomain":"EllieMae"}
                                                Ellie Mae Clampett

                                                I agree with you cannon. I would be scared enough that I wouldn't let my remaining seemingly healthy child receive the booster shot.

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                                                • 1 vote
                                                #11.3 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:49 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10629608,"authorDomain":"realitybites-1317725"}
                                                realitybites-1317725

                                                golly gee beav, let's all run to the hills (for me that would be wny southern tier)..... oh wait, my oldest child had a bad reaction (seizures) after receiving the DPT injections & now can't receive the "P" pertussis part. Can't run for those hills because where I live that's where the Amish live in high concentration & they have alot of whooping cough (pertussis) cases there. so where is safety then? What if, what if.... it's that's all you got to worry about -- you need a life. Life is one life-long risk. Enjoy it. Thank God, the boy will fully recover & hopefully will not use this to sit back & complain about life & how it beat him down instead of having a good coping skill of fighting back & beating the GBS back into it's place. Thanks to lawyers, we have way to many "pseudo sick" people sitting on their big butts out there who collect disability checks.

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                                                • 1 vote
                                                #11.4 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:08 PM EST
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                                                {"commentId":10622907,"authorDomain":"JeanNicole"}
                                                JeanNicole

                                                I would never let them inject me with any of that crap. I do not trust pharmacuetical companies (or even doctors too much for that matter, money is thier God) and refuse to be injected with anything or undergo any procedures unless it is absolutely necessary. Good to know that he will make a full recovery.

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                                                • 4 votes
                                                Reply#12 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:33 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10622922,"authorDomain":"scottspride911"}
                                                Rockhead-434586

                                                When you foist a contrived "emergency" on the public as POTUS has done. When you push into production a vaccine that was not tested. When you analyse the data pertaining to pediatric deaths (CDC data) and realize that this "pandemic" is no worse than any other flu and that your chance of dying from it is still lower than 14 other causes of pediatric death...

                                                Follow the money people...

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                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#13 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:34 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10622934,"authorDomain":"sarahdavis1980"}
                                                mom2two

                                                "Since the start of the H1N1 vaccine campaign, the CDC has repeatedly warned that certain conditions, such as miscarriage, heart attack and even GBS occur regardless of immunization, and officials have urged the public not to blame the vaccine for the illnesses, but to report promptly any suspected side effects."

                                                By this logic, it follows that death can occur at any time.  Just because you were sick with H1N1 at the time doesn't mean we should blame it for the death.  Maybe H1N1 is as harmless as the vaccine, and every death is as much a coincidence as each vaccine injury.  Oh, sorry, I mean to say coincidental event directly following vaccination that obviously has nothing to do with the toxins just injected directly into the bloodstream.  

                                                Sheesh.  Are we really this stupid???

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                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#14 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:35 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10622953,"authorDomain":"dimesern"}
                                                Dimese, RN

                                                When doctors and hospitals refuse to report patient complaints to the CDC on the grounds that the data "probably isn't relevant," the entire data pool is skewed and no one can make a reasonable decision or prediction. Only when the CDC finally requires all data to be reported, then clear links to side effects, or the lack of them, can be accurately calculated. Until then misinformation and anecdote reign supreme.

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                                                • 5 votes
                                                Reply#15 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:35 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10622973,"authorDomain":"josh201985"}
                                                dont start it if you cant finish it

                                                wow and we never saw this one coming a vaccine was created right after the disease showed up and people are having problems with the vaccine side effects maybe because the vaccine hasn't been researched as much as it should have been because the flu is all hype i mean come on more people die of aids and you don't see people moving to find a treatment as fast as they did to find a treatment for this hyped up flu

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                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#16 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:36 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10623021,"authorDomain":"skeeweeaka"}
                                                Christian!

                                                Unfortunately, this is usually kept quiet and the fact that they are brushing it aside even though the insert says this is a possibility is mindboggling!  However, when it comes to Big Pharma you CANNOT believe that EVERYTHING they say is good, is good!  People die every day from the toxic effects of pharmaceuticals...please people try some natural remedies...and keep your health!  Say no to these shots...and to other toxic drugs...THEY ARE KILLING US!

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                                                • 4 votes
                                                Reply#17 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10623026,"authorDomain":"tony-raker"}
                                                Tony Raker

                                                This is Tony Raker, Director of Public Relations for Inova Fairfax Hospital for Children. This case was reported to the Centers for Disease Control today, in accordance with CDC guidelines. We declined further comment on the case, and prevented an msnbc.com reporter from photographing Jordan's chart, because we have strict internal and federal guidelines that we follow concerning the confidentiality of patient information, for the benefit and safety of the patient.

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                                                • 4 votes
                                                Reply#18 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10630711,"authorDomain":"doug-wentzell"}
                                                the thinker-318752

                                                The parents give permission to release the information and yet you refuse to do so for the confidentiality, benefit and safety of the patient.  So what you are really saying is that you are not releasing the information because of the potential impact of a liability lawsuit.

                                                After the parents agreed to releasing the info, how is your organization keeping a secret a benefit and safety of the affected child?


                                                We declined further comment on the case,- So what are you doing here on this blog site?  Does your supervisor know you have leaked information to the public?

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                                                • 1 vote
                                                #18.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:12 PM EST
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                                                {"commentId":10623049,"authorDomain":"bdofelmier"}
                                                cannonmama

                                                I am surprised this article has even been published. When the young girls die from gardasil immunizations, they just bury it......DEEP.

                                                All we hear is preaching from the CDC, Obama administration, and the media about how important it is for us to take the shot. No word from them about possible side effects.

                                                We need to be using common sense. Not allow anyone to dictate to us. I am an RN and suffer the consequence of poosibly losing my job if I don't take it.

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                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#19 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:39 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10625945,"authorDomain":"stspecialk"}
                                                stspecialk

                                                and possibly losing your life, but your choice.

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                                                • 1 vote
                                                #19.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:58 PM EST
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                                                {"commentId":10623143,"authorDomain":"tylergrundvig"}
                                                TG-1125912

                                                See, you just can't trust the government. Who exactly is it that says these shots are safe? The government. Who is responsible to testing them? The government. At the end of the day, it's all about the money money money.

                                                My son's pediatrician is married to someone that works for the FDA and we have been advised that we should avoid certain vaccines. We asked why and she said "just trust me, my husband works for the FDA.". She also said there are certain vaccines that they did not give to their own children....for reasons that she wouldn't say.

                                                People can line up like sheep and get whatever they want, but as long as I got a person like this in my back pocket....I'm going to trust her over the government.

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                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#20 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:44 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10623197,"authorDomain":"bdofelmier"}
                                                cannonmama

                                                TG- Good idea, it helps to have friends like that. I have been in the medical field for 34 years and I always check for the "real" story before being lead down the primrose path. No vaccine for me,thanks.

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                                                • 1 vote
                                                #20.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:46 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10623218,"authorDomain":"ottawahouse"}
                                                Ottawa

                                                There are a lot better conspiracies sites out there for you to spread your unproven nonsense. I am sure you will find your audience with the Birthers and 9-11 conspiracy nuts.

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                                                • 4 votes
                                                #20.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:47 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10623557,"authorDomain":"jatsusama"}
                                                JatsuSama

                                                Who exactly is it that says these shots are safe?

                                                Scientists, people who know what a vaccine is, non-idiots...

                                                Who is responsible to testing them?

                                                Scientists, people who know what a vaccine is, non-idiots...

                                                My son's pediatrician is married to someone that works for the FDA and we have been advised that we should avoid certain vaccines. We asked why and she said "just trust me, my husband works for the FDA.".

                                                My cousin's son's girlfriend's former roommate said that vaccine is perfectly safe, but some organizations like to instill fear in the idiot masses. I asked how she knew that and she said "just trust me, my husband works for Fox News."

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                                                • 7 votes
                                                #20.3 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:01 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10623840,"authorDomain":"tylergrundvig"}
                                                TG-1125912

                                                Looks like only one of the three of you are actually 'in' the medical field. Oh, looky there, that person doesn't take vaccines either. Ignorant sheep!

                                                The true idiot is the one that lets others do the thinking for them. I, on the other hand, ask questions and take the advice of those with direct knowledge of the subject matter. If that is what you call an idiot, then I think you misunderstood the definition of the word. LOL

                                                As for the 'scientists' response. That's laughable. Let's see, scientist once thought the earth was flat, they thought the earth was the center of the universe, they thought the atom was the smallest thing on the planet. Just because someone is a scientist doesn't mean they are ethical and honest, it just means they completed the necessary schooling to carry such a title. LMAO, what a weak response to a question. You do realize these scientist either work for the drug company or for the government, right? The same scientist that said these anti-depression meds were safe but later found out they weren't. Yeah, there's your scientist hard at work.

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                                                • 1 vote
                                                #20.4 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:14 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10624041,"authorDomain":"jatsusama"}
                                                JatsuSama

                                                Looks like only one of the three of you are actually 'in' the medical field. Oh, looky there, that person doesn't take vaccines either. Ignorant sheep!

                                                I'm in the medical field. I'm saying it on the internet, so it must be true, right?

                                                The true idiot is the one that lets others do the thinking for them. I, on the other hand, ask questions and take the advice of those with direct knowledge of the subject matter. If that is what you call an idiot, then I think you misunderstood the definition of the word. LOL

                                                Aren't you letting your pediatrician's husband, who you've never met, do your thinking for you? I actually understand what a vaccine is. They're not complicated. You should try looking into it instead of just blindly following the advice of someone you don't know.

                                                Let's see, scientist once thought the earth was flat,

                                                no, the Church did

                                                they thought the earth was the center of the universe,

                                                no, the Church did

                                                they thought the atom was the smallest thing on the planet.

                                                no, they said an atom is the smallest unit of a given material

                                                Just because someone is a scientist doesn't mean they are ethical and honest, it just means they completed the necessary schooling to carry such a title. LMAO, what a weak defense to a question. You do realize these scientist either work for the drug company or for the government, right? The same scientist that said these anti-depression meds were safe but later found out they weren't. Yeah, there's your scientist hard at work.

                                                I tend to trust educated people over TV pundits that dropped out of college or random people on the internet who claim to know someone who knows someone.

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                                                • 4 votes
                                                #20.5 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:24 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10624281,"authorDomain":"ASinNY"}
                                                AS in NY

                                                TG, even if your statements about what scientists thought were true were correct, your view makes it seem like we should just give up on all progress because we'll be wrong in the future.

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                                                • 1 vote
                                                #20.6 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:35 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":10624315,"authorDomain":"tylergrundvig"}
                                                TG-1125912

                                                JS- Oh, I see, I didn't realize you actually 'knew' these scientists. I thought maybe you were just taking their word for it. LOL

                                                Oh yeah, and I have met my the husband of my son's doctor. Also, my son's doctor has been his doctor since he was born almost seven years ago. So, if she tells me to skip certain vaccines because of what her husband has told her, well then, I think that is relying on the educated people. You do realize doctors go to school for 8 years, right? I think that qualifies her as an educated person. So, looks like we both tend to trust educated people. Well, except I actually know the people I trust and unless you know these scientists, you are just taking their word for it. I mean seriously, do you actually know these scientist? If not, your whole argument is out the window. How can you say you trust educated people when the information you are receiving is coming from the government. Do you have access to the actual drug studies? No? I didn't think so. No, the truth is clear, you are believing what you are told and you have no one on the inside like I do.

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                                                  #20.7 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:36 PM EST
                                                  {"commentId":10624415,"authorDomain":"jatsusama"}
                                                  JatsuSama

                                                  JS- Oh, I see, I didn't realize you actually 'knew' these scientists. I thought maybe you were just taking their word for it. LOL

                                                  I think you missed the part where I said that I, unlike you, understand what vaccines are. I trust myself quite a bit.

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                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #20.8 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                                                  {"commentId":10624539,"authorDomain":"tylergrundvig"}
                                                  TG-1125912

                                                  AS in NY, no that's not my point at all. My point is, scientist are wrong. What they believe to be fact today, could very well be false tomorrow. They are not Gods but yet so many people put them on a pedestal as if they could never be wrong, or even worse, as if they are all honest and of the highest integrity. These people are paid to develope these drugs, therefore they are bais to the company. Sure, I realize there are honest scientist out there but to assume all are on the level is just foolish. My point is, you can't put all your stock into something being true just because there is a scientist envolved. There are scientist in the FDA that say the growth hormones given to cows don't effect humans even though the IFG-1 levels in the milk are elevated. It would be an interesting statement if it weren't for the fact that the molecular structure of bovine IGF-1 and human IGF-1 are exactly the same. When asked about that, the FDA scientists stated they don't see that as an issue. If you don't know what IFG-1 is, ask a pro bodybuilder. Most of them take it as part of their cycle to increase muscle mass. Does that sound like something that is not an issue? There are case studies of pro bodybuilders that have become diabetic from taking IGF-1, but it's 'safe' in our dairly milk because scientist say so. Look, I'm no conspiracy guy, but I know BS when I see it and I'm too analytical to just accept something because someone with a lab coat says this or that.

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                                                    #20.9 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:48 PM EST
                                                    {"commentId":10625384,"authorDomain":"mark-dilday"}
                                                    MarkD-555

                                                    As for the 'scientists' response. That's laughable. Let's see, scientist once thought...

                                                    And we once sat around fires with clubs, and now you are on the internet spreading fear and gossip without a shred of fact across the globe.

                                                    Science does terrible things like that. Your point?

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                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #20.10 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:32 PM EST
                                                    {"commentId":10625591,"authorDomain":"ASinNY"}
                                                    AS in NY

                                                    TG, it's obvious that that wasn't you were trying to say, but if you think what you said, then we can't think that scientists are right ever.

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                                                      #20.11 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:42 PM EST
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                                                      Robert-301053

                                                      TG1125912, May I enlighten you to the fact that the same government that is producing and following side affects of a certain viral vaccine also signed off on allowing IRAN to MONITOR ITSELF over nuclear developement! Give me a break WAKE THE HECK UP!!

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                                                        #20.12 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:38 PM EST
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                                                        Gayle-324397

                                                        Some of those in the "health care industry" know no more than those of us everyday folks.

                                                        I have metastatic breast cancer. My 'regular' doctor insists that I get the H1N1 vaccine. My Oncologist says "Yes, since you are around your 14 YEAR OLD GRANDSON".

                                                        So, on that note, I made the choice myself. I did have the regular flu vaccine, but NOT the H1N1.

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                                                          Reply#21 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:44 PM EST
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                                                          Val-1158135

                                                          Gayle - I'm confused - both doctors recommended you get the vaccine and then you chose not to?

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                                                            #21.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:14 PM EST
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                                                            TOM PA.

                                                            If these people are that afraid of this vaccine then wait, oh maybe, a year or two then see about getting it. Sarcasm!!!

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                                                            Reply#22 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:45 PM EST
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                                                            JillianannO

                                                            I suffered from GBS 6 years ago, at the age of 32, but it was brought upon by the actual flu and I still have residual numbness, tingling, weakness and live with the fear of ever contracting it again! My experience landed me in the hospital going through various treatments. I left in a wheelchair, then a walker, and crutches. I still have a slight limp but can walk unaided now.

                                                            I was shocked to read that it is thought some people might have contracted GBS and are just "blowing it off" because the symptoms are so great, your daily function changes and it can't simply be blown off.

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                                                            Reply#23 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:46 PM EST
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                                                            Val-1158135

                                                            JillianannO: you are right...the suggestion that someone could have GBS and someone could "blow it off" and the patient remain untreated for a long period of time is just not possible. At the first suggestion of symptoms the patient is immediately hospitalized because the neuro symptoms can progress very rapidly from the peripheral nerves to the more central, and may cause respiratory problems sometimes within hours....it can even progress to the eyes and prevent blinking in the worst case scenario. One never knows how far it will progress until it stops progressing on it's own. Luckily we now have treatments that stop the progress of the disease and reverse the effects. It is devastating to people that develop the disease but it remains an extremely rare condition that occurs in the population at random. There are a lot more worse things that can happen to person...like metastatic cancer, or paralyzing stroke, or accident.....life is terminal and we are all going to have health problems of some sort or another during our lifetime. But getting the flu and passing it on to someone else is one that can be prevented.....the benefits far exceed the negatives.

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                                                            #23.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:28 PM EST
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                                                            goldie-1192825

                                                            And this is why I pass on the shots even though I am immunocompromised. I don't care if it's 1 in a 100 million. I only play the lottery for money not more diseases.

                                                            Since they can't sue maybe the vaccine maker and Gov't should step up and pay all the bills already accumulated and all future bills that will occur.

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                                                            Reply#24 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:46 PM EST
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                                                            Novaccine4me

                                                            Wait...the cover-ups have just begun...this is only the beginning of the mis-truths, half-truths and lies. If ObamaCare becomes a reality it's just going to be another government run program that will prove to be a financial disaster (of course to the tax payers).

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                                                            Reply#25 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:49 PM EST
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                                                            Arthur-379160

                                                            Time for your meds. Thioridazine may help your paranoia.

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                                                            #25.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:49 PM EST
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                                                            whateva-1289472

                                                            goldie and nova you two are scary. I hope the rest of the world doesn't think like you.

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                                                            #25.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:26 PM EST
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