2012 already? GOP wannabes jockeying early

does this mean when on of them runs in 2012 we can say "they hav ent done anything but run for president for 4 years"
much like they accused obama of for 2.

I suspect those comments will suddenly be in bad taste in 2012.. but yeah obama has been bitten by youtube videos from 2007... 2007!.. mainly his comment on ending aphghanistan.
thing is he changed his promise when he actually started to run against hilary in the primaries. but that doesnt get as much air time.
and I know people will call me biased.. but i take the last promise given as "the promise" especially when it was during actual election season and not preseason

We need to get off of the personality of politics, and realize that politics in America is broken, fundamentally flawed, deformed beyond any credibility, and realize that the problem is the class ideology itself, which cannot represent anyone except corporations, oligarchy and military Empire.

Even the phony opposition party, the Democrats represent this same flawed failure, and the public and the corporate media, AP included, do not want to acknowledge that class policies, imperial policies are pushed by class deformed ideologies, deforming civil society and democracy itself.

We must start, not with personalities, nor even its second tiered concern, corporate parties that automatically embrace the same class myths, class dogma, and imperial assumptions, but start with politics as a social agenda, social movement, where a collection of many failed issues can be resolved by a social principle and social ideology.

We need to ditch the two party, one party corporate/imperial proto fascism that has been creeping into our politics, and realize all class politicians, and their corporate media cheerleaders are clueless, irrelevant, and deceitful on REAL CHANGE and not the Orwellian, superficial rhetorical, empty promises that the two parties falsely advertise.

JoulesBeef

does this mean when on of them runs in 2012 we can say "they hav ent done anything but run for president for 4 years" much like they accused obama of for 2?

If its true, then of course. You can and should.

i take the last promise given as "the promise" especially when it was during actual election season and not preseason

I understand your position on that, in fact it is a well known fact that both parties play to their base and then run to the middle. Been pointed out by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and other political commentators for years now.

Me, I call it equivocating, back pedaling or being mealy-mouthed. Say what you mean, mean what you say, and run on principles. Tell us (the voters) who you are, are you the kind of person whose judgment we should trust. If the answer is yes, and our principles are in alignment I'll vote for you. If the answer is no it won't matter what you claim your principles are.

Lastly, if their principles change during an election cycle they weren't really principles in the first place were they? More like they were a convenient facade they put on in order to get elected.

But ... But ... Isn't the world supposed to end in 2012 thus no republican could ever serve again as president?

Romney and Palin in an Independent ticket. I have politicians' fatigue. Time to retire the old jets.

Romney for his experience in the private sector (not very good about the healthcare in Massachussetts that is breaking the back of the budget) but only losing you appreciate more what one has and Mrs. Palin that is fresh air and the representation of the American family.

I personally would like to see Gingrich appear on the ticket. He has a record of chastising his own party for reckless spending and generally opposes right-wing big government. He also has expressed support for measures to be taken against climate change (though he opposes cap-and-trade). Granted, his age and polarizing history may relegate him to the VP slot, but he still should be considered a viable candidate. Mike Huckabee would be an excellent choice for the top slot as he is a conservative figure that is less polarizing than Palin.

Mrs. Palin that is fresh air and the representation of the American family.

You've got to be kidding. Although many American women have grandchildren born out of wedlock to their teen-aged daughters, this is not what we want to represent the American family. By contrast the Obama family, including the loving mother-in-law, does present an outstanding picture.

Newt Gingrich has a past of womanizing and divorcing his cancer stricken wife while she was in the hospital. Again, no family values there.

Mitt Romney, as a Mormon, does well as a family man, but there is a lot of prejudice from the evangelicals against Mormons regarding religious doctrine. Mike Huckabee may appeal to the far right, but he is an intellectual lightweight.

And John Thune voted against the Franken Amendment to prohibit American companies abroad to suspend American (and human) rights, particular the right to prosecute fellow employees who are rapists.

In 2000 GWB had the "family values" (and female) vote after Clinton's scandal with Lewinsky. I personally blame Bill Clinton for that victory as it should not have even been close between Bush II and Al Gore. But if this line-up is all the GOP can produce for 2012, the family values vote will be a slam dunk for Obama and the Democrats.

MKB: I think the GOP greatly overestimates the negative effect of supposedly alienating the social conservative base. Considering that these people will never ever vote for Obama in a national election, I'd say that putting an experienced, intelligent Republican like Gingrich would be a good thing. Again, Gingrich balances the ticket. All the GOP would have to do is select Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee for the VP slot and the social conservatives will fall in line and the independents may sway towards Gingrich, who as you mentioned, isn't "mister high and mighty" when it comes to morals and is most certainly qulified for the job.

No way, Mister Joshua. Gingrich is an old party hack that, as a candidate, will be offensive to intelligent, free thinking women. As a retread, he will not attract many young voters either. As far as "minorities" are concerned, the Republican's attempted smear of Sotomayor for being a proud, smart Latina, will have the effect of polarizing Hispanics AND women of all backgrounds. I heard several conservatives express negative remarks about her on the Sunday News shows. I trust those will be replayed at election time, especially in the West.

Even social conservancy is built on a base of coalitions of people - female, religious, lower income - that when informed about the moral fiber of the candidates are not an automatic vote for unattractive candidates like Gingrich.

Republicans, who champion the interests of corporations over people, just use social conservatives to advance their cause. They have frightened the elderly with their talk of privatizing social security and cuts to Medicare so that older people are distrustful of all government. However, social conservatives who are working people need to vote on micro-economic issues instead of faulty ideology and just might (except, of course, for racists who will only vote for color and that is where Gingrich may have an advantage).

Nope, I have faith that the economy is going to turn around and that America will be satistfied with expanded access to health insurance, the war(s) in the Middle East will be mitigated, and there will be successful cap & trade restrictions, so that it will be an easy re-election for Obama.

Mother,

My heart ached when Judge Miguel Estrada was dehumanized by the three most loud Dems Senators in the Judiciary Committee, one is RIP. Hence, Justice Sotomayor had an easy ride.

Justice Sotomayor had the advantage to have her parents from Puerto Rico, she grew up with English. However, Miguel Estrada had to learn the alphabet and how to spell the most insignificant word. He never had a chance because if he replied back what the three deserved he could be accused of "lack of respect" for our Congress.

so that it will be an easy re-election for Obama.

Here is an idea, give the short cut citizenship to the Residents, like Al Gore did for the former President Clinton.
Book Sell Out.

Sadly, I think Palin will come out on top, then Romney, then Pawlenty. The GOP has a recent history of always selecting the least competent candidates.

The problem today is that their isn't much to build. During the 1930's, the slogan was "Men needed work. San Francisco needed a bridge." It's unclear today as to what industry to invest in that will produce jobs. At any rate, the Great Depression didn't officially end until 1943, when the US was already fully committed to World War II. It's debatable today as to whether or not FDR really helped the economy with his programs.

During the 1930's, the slogan was "Men needed work. San Francisco needed a bridge." It's unclear today as to what industry to invest in that will produce jobs.

How about "people need jobs, and we need to reduce our dependency on foreign oil with green jobs!"

I bet there a lot of bridges that can use some updating (The Bay Bridge in San Fran being one of them) and rebuilding. We can put men and women to work on our infrastructure.

I highly doubt green jobs will cure our unemployment issue: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/27/five-million-green-jobs/.

Again, it would be unfounded to relate our current economic crisis with that of the Great Depression. Consider, for example, that unemployment actually rose during FDR's second turn and only began to decline once the nation began military prepartions for WWII by expanding the size of the military.

and we need to reduce our dependency on foreign oil with green jobs!"

It sounds wonderful.

Green jobs, green jobs, green jobs.

What about nuclear plants?

France is istill in the map.

Our money was "lent" to Brazil to drill oil. Of course not in our backyard.

We import more oil from Venezuela than the Middle East. But well, I will wear a hard hat painted in green, driving a toy electric car and will let the worries how to dispose the batteries to the people that really knows best, the scientists, not the lawyers.

Stu,

Management experience (Olympics) vs our charming President.

Please, we aren't blind.

What olympics? Sure wasn't the SLC ones, he bailed on Utah when a different state flashed him more $$$

Well, by now the Republicans are not in the hat, the Independents are.

The Patriarch,

Do you read the tea leaves, crystal ball or the Tarot?

Patriarch, maybe we'll be lucky and the 2016 prez will be Hilary. She'd do a great job. I'd pay money to see her debate with Sarah Palin, lol.

President Obama had some really interest financial schemes as well in regards to his house and campaign financing that was completely deep sixed by the media. It is not the facts but the ability to cover it up in the media that counts. Maybe since Obama is tanking Axelrod will be for sale in the next election? He got the job done.

I have the most profound respect for David Axelrod. I have for many years. I hope he has not been marginalized by the WH Cheif of Staff. Most Dems are quite disgusted with Rham.

My money's on Huckabee. Last time aroun d, he appealed incredibly well to Iowa Republicans with a fervent, genuine and well-balanced perspective as a former minister who ministered to different people in need. Most politicians only get one chance from Iowans, but I think he has a residue of good will there as a result.

Huckabee can also speak to health insurance reform in an almost liberal way and yet still stick to his conservative guns, because he shows an ability to see all the facets of complicated and divergent issues. He is, in my opinion, what Ronald Reagan only pretended to be and what this time around my gov. in Minnesnowta (Pawlenty) pretends to be: genuine.

Huckabee is "the genuine article." Republicans need someone Independents and conservative Democrats can come back to genuinely believing in. I haven't watched him in several years, though, and don't know if he's still that same person I saw in the Iowa Caucuses.

If he is, Huckabee is my president Obama's greatest domestic political threat because truth is its own authoritative witness.

And frankly, I like him!

Well, the former Governor Huckabee expresses himself well, he is used to the TV. But no, I would not give him my vote.