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Answer Desk: Who needs overpaid bankers?

Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:04 PM EST
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msnbc.com News — By John W. Schoen, Senior Producer
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— Not many stories this year have touched a nerve with readers as much as executive compensation.

To many, it seems perfectly reasonable that companies which were bailed out with billions in taxpayers' money should pay their top executives by the government's rules.

The handful of generously compensated men who run these broken enterprises seem to feel differently.

Take, for example, the guy now in charge of AIG, the insurance behemoth clinging to life thanks to a $90 billion taxpayer-funded bailout.

It seems that AIG's CEO Robert Benmosche has told colleagues he’s fed up with the government’s moves to limit pay packages for top executives at his firm.

This at a time when Goldman Sachs reportedly is ready to divvy up $23 billion in bonuses and amid word that Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis abruptly resigned because he just couldn't take having Uncle Sam as a boss after $25 billion in taxpayer funds kept his bank afloat.

The leaders of these giant corporate welfare recipients have been arguing that they need to pay managers of government-owned banks and other bailout beneficiaries extremely well to compete for their talents in the cutthroat global financial services industry. If they don’t attract such talent, this argument goes, taxpayers will lose their investment.

The guys have a point — up to a point. It’s not uncommon for top money managers — people who make a living by taking a big pile of money from over here, slicing off a little piece for themselves, and then moving it over there — to make 10 times Mr. Benmosche’s $10.5 million annual pay package — which includes $3 million in cash. Even after the worst financial downturn since the Great Depression, there are enough of these folks to fill several large country clubs.

But taxpayers have provided the big pile of money being shuffled around, so readers seem to think it is reasonable to apply a different set of rules.

Relying on an all-volunteer army of bank managers to clean up the mess Wall Street made probably won’t get the job done.

But the argument that we need to continue to overpay the overseers of what are, essentially, government-owned banks falls apart on several levels.

First is the assumption that talented bankers only come with gigantic price tags. It turns out there are thousands of banks — including pretty much any bank still standing that didn’t get bailed out — that are being run by reasonably competent people who don't make enough in one year to buy a Major League Baseball team. If you’re managing a bank that's survived the crisis this far, you must be doing something right.

Some of the too-big-to-fail banks are in worse shape than most of the too-small-to-bail-out ones that didn't blunder into disastrous pools of risk. Big paychecks, it turns out, have little to do with performance. Worse, spending hundreds of billions of tax dollars to prop up the biggest banks may have only masked deeper problems and postponed the day of reckoning for the weakest of the biggest.

Further, there are thousands of very talented people who work for the biggest bank of all — the Federal Reserve — for a fraction of what the best-paid bank executives make. Government bankers know they leave money on the table when they go to work for the government. But they’re motivated by something more than the desire to make the most money they possibly can. In a quainter era, this used to be called “public service.”

The idea that a highly talented, seasoned executive would take on the job of turning around a troubled, government-owned bank is not a flight of idealistic fantasy. In fact, that’s exactly what happened the last time the nation’s banking system succumbed to crisis in the late 1980s.

The late William Seidman, after making his fortune running one of the top 10 accounting firms, was appointed by President Ronald Reagan to clean up the mess made by bankers who made hundreds of billions of dollars in bad bets on commercial real estate. As chairman of the newly created Resolution Trust Corp., Seidman quickly shut down the worst thrifts, sold off what assets they had left and is widely credited with having the saved taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars. He did all this on a government salary. (Full disclosure: Seidman was a colleague of mine at CNBC.)

The argument also is being made that we need to lavish big salaries on bailout bankers because unwinding the complex mess created by the wave of securitized lending behind the housing bubble requires top-notch (read: the highest-paid) professionals.

But generating bank profits today is easier than it’s been in modern history, thanks to the unprecedented move by the Fed to shove overnight interest rates down to zero and keep them there indefinitely. If you can’t make money borrowing at zero and charging 29.99 percent on a credit card, maybe you’re in the wrong line of business.

There’s an even bigger problem with the argument that too-big-to-fail banks need the freedom to offer colossal pay packages to the managers of these behemoths. Bank bloat was a fundamental cause of the financial meltdown. As the government removed the barriers to bulking up, it forgot to create firewalls to protect the broader financial system from the tremendous concentration of risk. (Or, multiple attempts by some members of Congress to do so were blocked by the financial services industry. Take your pick.)

We don’t need another round of rocket scientists to build these banks up to their former glory. We need to come up with a new set of rules to prevent giant banks from sinking the global economy again. So far, two years after the collapse began, progress on that front has been painfully slow.

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LFP#6

I know it sounds so cynical but I've seen this sort of thing time and time again. These greedy pigs need to be reined in by stricter regulations because, if left to police themselves, all restraints would go by the boards. Their runaway lust for more and more money is hugely responsible for our present economic mess. Anything goes in their quest for more and more money including pay cuts, jobs eliminations - as long as they achieve that fat bottom line in order to fill their own pockets. So, why not grab the taxpayer's bailout cash with the same intentions? I'm not against capitalism but I am against greed run amuck and that's exactly what's happening here. I'm tired of being the slush fund for these money mongers as I'm sure are many other working joes whose pockets are constantly being picked. The revolution is coming...

  • 29 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:06 PM EST
TopicNumb

"The leaders of these giant corporate welfare recipients have been arguing that they need to pay managers of government-owned banks and other bailout beneficiaries extremely well to compete for their talents in the cutthroat global financial services industry."

No, Mr. Schoen, "these guys" do not have a point - no good point at all.

In truth, there is an overwhelming mob of brilliant, talented, fresh, young, eager, motivated, disciplined young men and women who are ready to fill every one of these positions for grossly less money and without the incredible bonuses and golden parachutes ... who, if given half a chance, could turn these massive institutions into something really wonderful.

Some people actually like what they do and care enough to want to make significant changes - they really aren't in it "just for the money" and don't have to be *bribed* to stick around.

  • 23 votes
#1.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:08 AM EST
palco

It should be noted most of the world is recovering from this crisis faster than the United States, In Europe there is a move to break up these " to big to fail institutions". In Great Britain recently the Treasury stated that it may be time " to create a more competitive and free market place" , It seems most of the world is getting it, the U.S. seems to be mirrored in the propaganda that we have a free and competitive market place, that only our CEO's are the godly leaders of capitalism as they rely on welfare from the American taxpayer ? I say let the "brain drain begin" lets see if these overcompensated CEO's of corporate American can get the inflated pay they believe they deserve in the world market place.

What gains the "to big to fail" have amassed this past year are solely based on free tax payer money at basically zero %, and the direct bailout received under TARP. Just about every other nation in the world created a TARP fund to keep their Banking and Industry afloat during this crisis, The difference is their banks and industries have reinvested the help back into their economies, Corporate American and the Financial institutions have not, The Financial have invested free government money in China and overseas investments, and Corporate American has laid off workers to maximize dividends to Wall street. For the leaders of a failed economic system who created a world recession to demand anything other than mercy from a judge as to the length of a prison sentences for the fraud and embezzlement is the real crime here....Bonus's ? you have got to be kidding.

  • 13 votes
#1.2 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM EST
Empress-409341

It is time we end "welfare as we know it" for corporate CEO's. In the 1990's they took away welfare from the little people. Now it is their turn. It is poetic justice because they were behind cutting welfare for the little persons.

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:09 PM EST
palco

Empress-409341

It would be poetic justice if corporate welfare was to be denied, unfortunately I don't see that happening, the Treasuries plans guarantee even more backing of these institutions by giving the control to treasury of any future crisis to intercede without congressional control or decisions, and without these institutions prepaying their own insurance fund to cover any loss's that may occur. If you look at the amount of money these institutions risk (hundreds of trillions) through derivatives, who do you think will be expected to pay for the so called risk to the economic security of this nation....our nations security in foreign policy, domestic development and growth, and our economical future are in the hands of the "to big to fail" institutions and wall street, who show no loyalty to this nation as seen in the last year in particular, free money and bailouts going to foreign investments and to the same high risk derivatives that brought us this crisis. The opportunity to change this is now slipping away.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:14 PM EST
Karen in Los Angeles

LFP - my sister - A CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER - agrees that we need more regulation.

I also will add that - pardon me - there are plenty of QUALIFIED AMERICANS willing to take these jobs so let's start hiring them.

I COMPLETELY DISAGREE that we pay any of them a bonus. If they leave - don't let the door hit them on the way out.

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:34 PM EST
maint-870932

They need to be hunted down and charged for their thievery....... America is potters vill, the Baily saving and loan has bought out by these scum... Our elected officials turn the other way and are bought and paid for!!!!!

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:09 AM EST
oh oh oh

Watch it's a wonderful live. Move all your money to a credit union. Bankers have alway been greedy.

    #1.7 - Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:47 AM EST
    ONTIME

    Over Paid bankers are a part of the Free market, they earn a living....Over Paid Government Employees and Politicians are the parasites that don't earn anything and take up space that someone who earns a living can use.

    Hire a Goverment Union Employee, Oxy Morons are fun to watch!....The politicians even cost more.

      #1.8 - Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:34 PM EST
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      Al-423962

      Many of these high over paid exec's were spoiled rotten as kids and now are acting out their cry baby nonsense. I love to see the type that act as better than thou knocked down a few pegs and get a touch of the real world. Granted there are some who really earn their pay. I bet their wives are adding to their blues if they can't purchase everything they want today. They may have to settle on a less expensive vacation villa. How sad.

      • 10 votes
      Reply#2 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:40 PM EST
      John May-1466743

      FED and the government works for the banks. Money elects the government. Do not expect anything else. Bankers will get paid.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#3 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:09 AM EST
      The Old Man-1353288

      I hate to say it but you are 100% right. The bankers have the Congress in their back pocket. They will get the bonus and anything else they want - after all they are TO BIG TO FAIL. (Ain't that some bull S..t)

        #3.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:11 PM EST
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        Dex Matheson

        I find it very hard that the people in this country cannot see what has just happened. All of the financial institutions that were bailed out had their bad debt insured by AIG. AIG stills holds over 100 billion of their bad debt due to the reckless lending to consumers who could not repay. So they unload the debt and now they are profitable again and start to receive tremendous bonuses as if this crisis never happened. These institutions should not receive a dime of bonuses until all of their debt has been paid in full to the government.

        • 21 votes
        Reply#4 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:19 AM EST
        palco

        Dex Matheson

        Agree. but the debt will not be repaid, the American people need to demand from the congress to do this, but to do this the government would have to take control of these institutions as far as controlling their moves, and the radios of hysteria and the televisions of crisis will corrupt the debate to infer socialism. We are trapped in threat of continued crisis because of this.

        • 1 vote
        #4.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:49 PM EST
        Socrates1

        Not at all.....Simply allow the banks to fail...no socialism...capitalism punishes failure.

        • 5 votes
        #4.2 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:54 PM EST
        palco

        Socrates1

        I would agree if we had a free market, supply demand, economic system, we don't, The size and tentacles of influence of these mega financials threatens the whole economic system, that is by design to ensure guaranteed welfare from the government, or should I say the working bees of the corrupt system, although we may never know for sure, as it seems investigations of this crisis will not happen. It may have been possible that the same amount of misery would have come by letting them fail and not the world economic collapse that was predicted, and in the long run we would be stronger ?.

        I do believe the monies given to A.I.G. was not for recapitalization but for paying derivatives and default swaps to Goldman's, Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan, and others. Serious fraud and embezzlement has occurred and I don't pretend to know or understand all the questions and answers.

        • 1 vote
        #4.3 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:01 PM EST
        Socrates1

        I'm not sure where we disagree.

          #4.4 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:35 PM EST
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          Dex Matheson

          I find it very hard that the people in this country cannot see what has just happened. All of the financial institutions that were bailed out had their bad debt insured by AIG. AIG stills holds over 100 billion of their bad debt due to the reckless lending to consumers who could not repay. So they unload the debt and now they are profitable again and start to receive tremendous bonuses as if this crisis never happened. These institutions should not receive a dime of bonuses until all of their debt has been paid in full to the government.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#5 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:22 AM EST
          Dex Matheson

          I find it very hard that the people in this country cannot see what has just happened. All of the financial institutions that were bailed out had their bad debt insured by AIG. AIG stills holds over 100 billion of their bad debt due to the reckless lending to consumers who could not repay. So they unload the debt and now they are profitable again and start to receive tremendous bonuses as if this crisis never happened. These institutions should not receive a dime of bonuses until all of their debt has been paid in full to the government.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#6 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:24 AM EST
          Mike W-595875

          Dex, I do believe that the average American can se and do get it. It is the politicians who can't see it, They are blinded by PAC Contributions. Unfortunately, I don't think a complete turnover at the next election would make any difference. The lobbyists & bureaucrats would still be in Washington (or as I call that town "FANTASYLAND ON THE POTOMIC")

          • 2 votes
          #6.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:48 PM EST
          Mike W-595875

          Dex, I do believe that the average American can se and do get it. It is the politicians who can't see it, They are blinded by PAC Contributions. Unfortunately, I don't think a complete turnover at the next election would make any difference. The lobbyists & bureaucrats would still be in Washington (or as I call that town "FANTASYLAND ON THE POTOMIC")

          • 1 vote
          #6.2 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:49 PM EST
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          Frank Bus

          Shovel them ALL off to Buffalo, and let them die a slow death, as the article says, who needs these dumb losers.....

          • 2 votes
          Reply#7 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:00 AM EST
          Robert-413014

          This story is not only about the financial services industry but almost any industry in the US. Why can the rest of the world get by with paying their execs between 30 to 40 times the average workers salary but the US cannot find one unless they pay 300 times the average workers salary. The Boards of these companies need to be throttled but where else can you get a six-figure job that you only have to show up 12 times a year or less?

          • 15 votes
          Reply#8 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:02 AM EST
          LFP#6

          Good point. I keep hearing the excuse for these outrageous paychecks and bonuses is because of the talent these guys possess, it's worth it to pay them that much. Who, on this earth today, is worth being paid more in one day than the average US worker makes in a couple of months or, in some cases, a whole year? I don't give a flying handshake what kind of 'talent' these guys seem to have, it's certainly not worth that obscene amount of money - period. This insanity has been going on so long unchecked that it's being accepted as normal practice... and therein lies our problem.

          • 5 votes
          #8.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:35 PM EST
          Brian G. Brooks-741457

           Their talent is in getting their bonus and the public idealizing them for it....

          • 1 vote
          #8.2 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:09 PM EST
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          bob-1468349

          The problem arises out of the corporate structure. A company's Board of Directors establishes the compensation for the CEO, but the CEO decides who will be on the ballot for the Board of Directors. The shareholders should be the ones to decide who will be on the ballot, not the CEO. Unless this changes, the CEO will always have the Board under their thumb and will have free reign to do what they want.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#9 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:31 AM EST
          fll

          Send them all to Detroit.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#10 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:34 AM EST
          John P-905546

          please don't ... we have our share of crooks (ie: Kwame Kilpatrick).

          • 2 votes
          #10.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:08 AM EST
          Gelbkreuz

          He meant, send them all to Detroit to play for the Lions.

          • 2 votes
          #10.2 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:51 AM EST
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          whatashame-659313

          "...The leaders of these giant corporate welfare recipients have been arguing that they need to pay managers of government-owned banks and other bailout beneficiaries extremely well to compete for their talents in the cutthroat global financial services industry. If they don’t attract such talent, this argument goes, taxpayers will lose their investment...."

          I have one word for these folks: Goodbye

          • 13 votes
          Reply#11 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:45 AM EST
          Guillero

          What people forget is that these guys are betting OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY !

          If they are so talented (Investment bankers and overpaid CEO's) they should leave the banks and found their own companies. Then they can pay themselves whatever they want. But, as soon as any company accepts other peoples money (via Shares or even worst, public help) then they do not have any moral authority or nexus to pay themselves large salaries or bonus. They are in effect STEALING from their stakeholders (shareholders, taxpayers). Let's call things by their names ...

          • 8 votes
          Reply#12 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:57 AM EST
          Thomas-838545

          wah wah wah... My heart is bleeding for these idiots. You get bonuses and paid well when your company does well. When your company is failing and causing hard times for everyone else you get nothing and most of them are lucky they were bailed and not sent to jail for the unethical practices. Some of these people should be thankful that they have jobs that pay rather then sitting in a jail cell for destroying the American economy and then suggesting that they don't make enough to do the job that they've already failed at. F'ing ridiculous.

          • 7 votes
          Reply#13 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:00 AM EST
          TopicNumb

          "The leaders of these giant corporate welfare recipients have been arguing that they need to pay managers of government-owned banks and other bailout beneficiaries extremely well to compete for their talents in the cutthroat global financial services industry."

          No, Mr. Schoen, "these guys" do not have a point - no good point at all.

          In truth, there is an overwhelming mob of brilliant, talented, fresh, young, eager, motivated, disciplined young men and women who are ready to fill every one of these positions for grossly less money and without the incredible bonuses and golden parachutes ... who, if given half a chance, could turn these massive institutions into something really wonderful.

          Some people actually like what they do and care enough to want to make significant changes - they really aren't in it "just for the money" and don't have to be *bribed* to stick around.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#14 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:07 AM EST
          mickymac

          Topic Numb - If you're right then that's awesome, and indeed the answer to the problem.

          However, you give no evidence whatsover as to the actual existence of these saints, despite starting your claim with the phrase "in truth". Where did you discover this "mob" of talented saviors, and how can we make our government aware of them.

          As a taxpayer I would be all for signing these guys and gals up.

            #14.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:04 PM EST
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            Tim Vining

            Competence should be the measure by which these master of the universe positions are compensated. To say the least the financial meltdown was not only the height of greed but of incompetence as well. 

            The masters that rule the banking behemoths deemed to big to fail, like their institutions are to big to exist. CEO' s and their board of directors responsible for oversight of reckless (greedy) practices should go immediately to jail and held without bail, until at least all of the taxpayers money used for the bailout, with accured interest, plus penalty fees are paid in full.  Then they should be criminally indicted for their crimes. 

            • 3 votes
            Reply#15 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:08 AM EST
            TopicNumb

            "The leaders of these giant corporate welfare recipients have been arguing that they need to pay managers of government-owned banks and other bailout beneficiaries extremely well to compete for their talents in the cutthroat global financial services industry."

            No, Mr. Schoen, "these guys" do not have a point - no good point at all.

            In truth, there is an overwhelming mob of brilliant, talented, fresh, young, eager, motivated, disciplined young men and women who are ready to fill every one of these positions for grossly less money and without the incredible bonuses and golden parachutes ... who, if given half a chance, could turn these massive institutions into something really wonderful.

            Some people actually like what they do and care enough to want to make significant changes - they really aren't in it "just for the money" and don't have to be *bribed* to stick around.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#16 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:09 AM EST
            MiMi-398095

            Hello America.....this is what is wrong with our country today......These people do not need to draw huge paychecks .....NO ONE earns the kind of money that these people make....here is the scoop on it....insurance is suppose to pay for accidents, death, ect....but THAT IS NOT THE CASE......the morans and idiots who work for these companies get the money....this is NOT what it is meant to be for.....I know this for a fact...someone hit my daughter and totaled the vehicle she was in....she had a very bad foot injury and she is now unable to manage just day to day due to chronic pain and she also suffers from PTSD and is having a bad time.....the insurance company would not pay....it was over 5 years....they thought that my daughter was just going to disappear.....DID NOT HAPPEN....we ended up having to help her and the case was finally going to court.....after over 5 years now....her credit is now ruined.....thanks to the insurance company....they did not want to pay her anything....

            MY POINT EXACTLY: this is what is going on with insurance companies....they are NOT in business for what insurance is supposed to be....now this is just one person that this has happened to.....I bet there are millions out there just like her.....no doubt....

            The system needs to stop this crap.......

            • 7 votes
            Reply#17 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:12 AM EST
            R. Allan

            These "bankers" should be rewarded as per their performance. The unemployment line. As if it takes talent to value a worthless product. These bright minds have been allowed to commit fraud and our government has endorsed it with bailouts. AIG and the scum like them should be flushed down the toilet. The economic recovery depends upon honest accounting and allowing the 'market' to correct to normal/reality. There is no place for  financial products that require taxpayer money to keep it afloat.

            • 6 votes
            Reply#18 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:31 AM EST
            Peter17

            Time for all to stop all the whining and move on, life is too short. Yes some people in all professions get overpaid, so what (as long as they pay their taxes)?? If it happens to be bankers, it comes out of the returns going to investors. If the shareholders don't like it, they can do something about it.

            We have many serious problems in this country that we need to deal with and all this class envy crap just diverts our attention from dealing with our real issues.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#19 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:36 AM EST
            Ben-1140210

            Amazing Peter-17, you never tire apologizing for the treasonous scum who caused this meltdown. Yes, I maintain the treasonous actions of this self-aggrandizing few causing economic peril not only for the US but for the world economic system as a whole.

            It is not even a matter of class envy but the middle class being able to sustain period. I have no problem with anyone who wishes riches and the accompanying lot for themselves. However, when their actions imperil my nation economically, that is where I believe the US and its government and people should draw the line and those responsible imprisoned for economic treason committed against the US and its citizenry!

            God Bless the US!

            • 9 votes
            #19.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM EST
            freudianslip

            But in this case Peter17, the shareholders are TAXPAYERS, and the returns are coming out of taxpayer money. If the government hadn't stepped in, these banks would have collapsed (and as the theory goes, bring down the economy). The bankers who are now complaining about compensation restrictions would have been out of work.

            If you don't like government restrictions or pay - don't do anything that requires the government to intervene. Fail quietly (or better yet, don't fail...).

            • 7 votes
            #19.2 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:29 PM EST
            Jenny-476993

            No Peter! The worst thing we can do is become complacent and "Mover On". We continually move on and the same mistakes are made over and over again. And that is what Wall street and these bailed out banks want. For us to get over it so they can return to their business as usual tactics. It's a sickness, a disease. And they are using our money to keep up their habit. freudian is right., The shareholders are the Tax payers and if it wasn't for us? All banks because of the massive systemic contagions flowing through the arteries of our global economy would be insolvent and bankrupt. Every single one of them. They FAILED! All of them.

            • 5 votes
            #19.3 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:06 PM EST
            Peter17

            We are a country of citizens who love to focus on looking in the rear view mirror, that is why we miss the headlights heading toward us.

            There is pleanty of blame to go around for the mess we are in, our financial institutions and their leadership, our politicians, our regulatory agencies, and of course us. Steps are being taken now to prevent a similar scenario, and one can only hope that we don't put a bunch of dumb regulations and restraints in place that are not needed, but sound good, and that end up hurting us.

            But that will do little to move us forward. I watched Meet the Press yesterday because they had a piece on education in this country at the K-12 level. The educational outcomes from some of our schools is so poor that it should make all Americans sick to their stomach. And yet we seem to be more interested in the just released Sara Palin book about last year's election.

              #19.4 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:28 PM EST
              Dude-471844

              Peter - We should not move forward in ignorance of the factors that have caused these problems. Let's not keep making the same mistakes, eh?

                #19.5 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:40 PM EST
                kat-1015719

                The party is over, Peter17. You better get used to it. Like you said, there are more important things to fix in this country (like education), but this is also a problem and a drain on the taxpayers. It's time to end the party at the taxpayer's expense. I don't mind paying high taxes to educate our children, but I do mind very much paying incompetent people big paychecks just so they can turn around and do it all over again.

                • 1 vote
                #19.6 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:12 PM EST
                Peter17

                Those banks that have paid back TARP are free to give whatever bonus payments they want. Certainly they should be structured in a way to help limit risk, but the amounts will not be capped. Even the AIG CEO appointed by the Obama administration is getting $10.5 Million.

                Other regulations like reducing the amount of leverage allowed in banks should be implemented and will since there is a large consensus on doing so. But it was a government agency, the SEC, that allowed the increase in the first place. So fix what needs to be fixed and move on, we don't need to debate it, it will happen. But the salary for people in the private sector is none of the government's business.

                  #19.7 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:18 PM EST
                  Peter17

                  Kat, by the way the TARP loans to banks are proving to be no burden to the taxpayer. Those loans are being paid back, with substantial interest. The taxpayer is actually making a profit on those loans.

                    #19.8 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:23 PM EST
                    Lunker9

                    Really?Where's my bonus bitch?

                      #19.9 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:33 PM EST
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                      Tim-1470122

                      How good are these bank executives that ran there banks into the ground and needed to be bailed out. If they can't accept a modest paycheck then they should try to move one. Everybody is replaceable. We would be better office with executives who do good business and take care of there customers which is us.

                        Reply#20 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:36 AM EST
                        Real change is needed

                        In the government's words when we bailed out these big institutions it was because they "were too big to fail". Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they still "too big to fail"? Who's to say that the next time we hit a financial meltdown that these huge corporations will again need a financial bailout using the same reasoning we did this time around?

                        What needs to happen is these "too big to fail" companies that have received TARP money need to be broken up in such a way as to reduce the risk of future individual failure to the taxpayers. In this way, the next time actions caused *by their own incompetencies* can allow the market forces to simply fail them and let the more competent companies fill their voids.

                          Reply#21 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:48 AM EST
                          Real change is needed

                          In the government's words when we bailed out these big institutions it was because they "were too big to fail". Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they still "too big to fail"? Who's to say that the next time we hit a financial meltdown that these huge corporations will again need a financial bailout using the same reasoning we did this time around?

                          What needs to happen is these "too big to fail" companies that have received TARP money need to be broken up in such a way as to reduce the risk of future individual failure to the taxpayers. In this way, the next time actions caused *by their own incompetencies* can allow the market forces to simply fail them and let the more competent companies fill their voids.

                            Reply#22 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:49 AM EST
                            Skeptical2009

                            I hope these overpaid bankers rot in hell.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#23 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:56 AM EST
                            Wakehead

                            Prison would be a quicker alternative.

                            • 1 vote
                            #23.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:19 PM EST
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                            SJB

                            If these executives are so damned talented, therefore warranting huge paychecks, then why are their companies failing? Tell me how you justify (which a straight face) why you deserves so much money for running a company in the ground. I'd hate to see just what you would expect had your company actually been successful.

                            • 5 votes
                            Reply#24 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:17 AM EST
                            scitizen

                            I see no "Talent". Today it is all about the "money makers" of the Medical and the Financial empires. Just open a newspaper today......daily full-page ads. After multi-billiion dollar subsidies and bail-outs, they're all out to hit us again! (I call that a "pig-and-a-poke".)

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#25 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:20 AM EST
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