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AP-GfK Poll: Debt turning shoppers into Scrooges

Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:11 PM EST
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Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer
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<p>FILE - In this Dec. 23, 2008 file photo, two women head for the subway with their purchases after shopping in New York with one day remaining in the holiday shopping season. Americans are feeling more stress from debt these days, raising the odds they'll act like Scrooge rather than Santa during the holiday shopping season.(AP Photo/Kathy Willens, file)</p>

FILE - In this Dec. 23, 2008 file photo, two women head for the subway with their purchases after shopping in New York with one day remaining in the holiday shopping season. Americans are feeling more stress from debt these days, raising the odds they'll act like Scrooge rather than Santa during the holiday shopping season.(AP Photo/Kathy Willens, file)

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WASHINGTON — A lot more Americans are feeling stressed out by debt this holiday season, raising the glum likelihood they'll behave like Scrooge rather than Santa.

In fact, fully 93 percent say they'll spend less or about the same as last year, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll. Half of all those polled say they're suffering at least some debt-related stress, and 22 percent say they're feeling it greatly or quite a bit. That second figure is up from 17 percent just last spring, despite all the talk about economic recovery.

Most people — 80 percent — say they'll use mostly cash to pay for their holiday shopping, and that generally means buying less.

For example, Joy McGavin, 26, of Pittston, Pa., says she will cut back on holiday gifts by a few hundred dollars this year and pay for everything with cash.

"Family — nieces and nephews — we won't be able to afford this year," says the stay-at-home mother of three. They now shop at Big Lots — not Wal-Mart. "They're too expensive this year," she says.

Her husband, Robert, had been working two-full time jobs, as a mechanic at a garage and at an auto parts store. Recently his retail job was cut back to part time. "We don't have as much as we had last year," McGavin laments. They don't have health insurance and have racked up major medical bills.

Diane Morrison, 57, of Flemington, N.J., says simply, "I'm going to cut back." She's clipping coupons and "looking for big sales."

She owns a payroll company, and many of her clients are laying off workers. Some of the companies are folding, she says, and "I'm feeling more stressed because I feel my income will go down because of what's happening with my business."

Morrison and the McGavins are hardly alone with job problems. Unemployment has rocketed past 10 percent for only the second time since World War II, making it harder to pay monthly bills. Home foreclosures have spiked to record highs, and defaults on credit card debt are rising.

What does that mean for retailers in their most-important season?

"Cash serves as a very direct governing force upon spending," says Dr. Alan Hilfer, director of psychology at Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, N.Y. "If you have $100 in your pocket, and that's all you can spend, you'll look around and make a decision based on the amount of money you have." Credit cards, on the other hand, allow people to make more impulse purchases.

In the survey, people who intend to spend less during the holidays reported suffering from higher debt stress than those who plan to spend the same or more, said Paul J. Lavrakas, a research psychologist and AP consultant who analyzed the results.

Those who plan to use cash to pay for most of their holiday season purchases have higher stress levels, he said. So do those who will carry over at least some of their holiday season credit card charges because they won't be able to pay the bill in full when it arrives.

Hilfer said that when debt increases and becomes a focus of anxiety, it forces people to start thinking more long term.

"They won't allow impulse buying and won't splurge as much because they are thinking that next year they may need to have the money to fix the motor on the washing machine, so they can't spend that money now," he said.

How consumers behave during the holidays and beyond is a critical force determining how strongly the economy snaps back from the worst recession since the 1930s. Consumer spending is the single-largest driver of overall economic activity.

The traditional kickoff of the holiday sales season is Friday — the day after Thanksgiving.

This time of year is crucial for merchants, accounting for up to 40 percent of their annual sales. The National Retail Federation believes holiday sales will decline this year, but the drop won't be as steep as last year when the country was deep in recession.

Looking to next year, consumers won't be in much of a mood to go on a shopping spree because of high unemployment and tight credit, according to the National Association for Business Economics. Consumer spending will rise a lackluster 2 percent next year, restraining the recovery, NABE forecasters said. Unemployment now at 10.2 percent, will average 9.8 percent.

For people who do plan to charge their holiday purchases, 75 percent say they'll pay off the charges in full when the bill arrives.

The average amount owed on credit cards is $5,600, the poll said, up from $4,900 in the spring.

More broadly, people carry an average of about $46,000 in debt — mortgages, credit cards, auto loans and other consumer debt. That's a far bigger load than in the early 1980s when the jobless rate last topped 10 percent. In 1982 per capita debt totaled about $14,000 in today's dollars.

The AP-GfK poll involved interviews with 1,006 adults and was conducted Nov. 5-9. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

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AP Director of Polling Trevor Tompson and Associated Press Writer Ann Sanner contributed to this report.

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Questions and results at http://www.ap-gfkpol l.com.

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Eric AlbertDeleted
Scarlet Termite

This is why they moved Christmas advertising to coincide with Halloween. If the economy is still tanking next year, they'll put it with the "Back to School" sales.

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:24 PM EST
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River-239955

The only way to recover the country is to take it back, and that's what people are doing, a few little dollars at a time.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:32 PM EST
tweetheart44

As a retail store owner, I have this advice. If you want to see the economy get better...and if you want to see people employed, go out and shop! That was the best thing that Bush said after 9/11 and the economy turned around. Nothing is worse for small business owners to see (in the news) than the doom and gloom articles. Shopping will help EVERYONE.

  • 4 votes
#4 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:37 PM EST
River-239955

Been shopping like crazy for a week now, and things still aren't any better.......

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:41 PM EST
tweetheart44

River, At least you are doing your part! Trust me, every little bit helps!

  • 5 votes
#4.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:00 PM EST
MRZK.COM

Yeah, I want financial advice from "The G.W. Bush School of Spend Like a Drunken Sailor".

Me? I'm salting my money away until the prices drop, drop and drop. Personally, I'm hoping you all go bankrupt and I get everything at Circuit City-like discount prices.

Don't like it? Too bad, this is a free-market economy ruled by supply and demand. Why should I care about my neighbors when I can save a buck for myself? After years of having products shoved down my throat, it's my turn as a buyer to be in the drivers seat.

Hell, I might even 'outsource' myself and try to find the cheapest economy anywhere in the world to live in and leave all you American Sellers high and dry. Why should I care? There's money to be saved!

  • 7 votes
#4.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:10 PM EST
River-239955

*note*

I'm only spending out of necessity on absolute basics, and forcing myself to have fun with it. I'd bankroll my money if I could.

  • 4 votes
#4.4 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:16 PM EST
TL-770512

River, At least you are doing your part! Trust me, every little bit helps!

Sorry, tweetheart, I can't afford to "do my part." It's called being fiscally responsible... not spending what you don't have.

  • 8 votes
#4.5 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:25 PM EST
tweetheart44

That's fine. I wasn't talking about going out and buying a wide screen TV for a thousand dollars. I was talking about spending $10.00 at your local stores, but whatever. Just don't come whining to me when the unemployment rate keeps going up.

MRZK, Wow, nice attitude. I guess that is the American way! Only watch out for #1. Congratulations....you sound just like all of the conservatives who only care about themselves and how much money they can hoard.

  • 5 votes
#4.6 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:51 PM EST
tweetheart44

Baaaaa.....humbug!

  • 3 votes
#4.7 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:00 PM EST
Anita Bail Out

Shopping will help everyone except those people who can't afford to shop... which is pretty much, well, everyone.

  • 3 votes
#4.8 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:32 PM EST
Mista cookin mama

Christmas is going to be lean around my house this year, what with losing the job due to incompetent management. Trying to live on unemployment that is 1/4 what I made at my job, probably going to lose the house, I will admit that I am not really into the holiday spirit this year. That being said I would remind everyone that this time of year is not really about shopping or getting gifts or giving gifts. It is really a religious holiday that is the supposed birthday of Christ. It should really be about love and family, not what you can buy for some one. As for the economy, until we decide that maybe staunch capitalism is not the way to run this country we are going to be in these types of messes over and over. The rich get richer and the poor get @!$%# on.

  • 4 votes
#4.9 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:18 PM EST
tweetheart44

Mista, I agree. There are ways to celebrate the season and the birth of Jesus without shopping. If you are going to buy gifts, please remember the small business owners. We are struggling more than the big box stores and malls.

I remember making all of our gifts when I was younger. I used to draw pictures and frame them for my aunts and uncles. One year we made candles. Another year, I made ornaments for everyone. They still hang them on the tree!

I agree, the rich get richer. Look at McCain with his eight houses, Palin with her million dollar book deal, the fat cats on Wall Street still laughing all the way to the bank, CEO's raking in millions while laying off thousands.

Well, try to have a nice holiday. I wish you the best.

  • 4 votes
#4.10 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:39 PM EST
Mista cookin mama

Tweetheart44, I agree that we need to think about the small business owners this year. They will be the salvation of this country of ours in the long run. I wish you the best of seasons this year. May the lord shine down on you and may you reap the rewards you deserve.

  • 4 votes
#4.11 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:34 PM EST
economics101

In case you didn't notice to our "leaders" the health of our banks, our mega corporations and our richest citizens (domestic and foreign) is far more important that regular people. So believe that there is supply and demand if you wish, justice, and that being responsible will fix things ..... if everyone stopped usikng credit cards the gov't would just bail out the banks again, take out debt in our names and we end up paying it in taxes ... ever heard of a no win situation?

My question is why we take this crap. I mean we can all vote, why do we keep voting to make our families, our kids sacrifice so the rich can keep getting richer? Isn't it time for them to stop getting all this welfare from the gov't?

  • 3 votes
#4.12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:02 AM EST
Anita Bail Out

No, you guys will all the credit card debt and mortgages you can't pay are about to get a chance to borrow money from the government. There are a few strings attached, like handing over your assets, including your 401k (ownership of any stock therein will be by the government...can you say...fascism?), and then you agreeto a mandatory 5% contribution to help bail the ones who come after you. They are going to guarantee you 3% return on your money (er..ok...) and they promise you'll get it all back in the same envelope as your social security check, when they deem the time has arrived.

Sound like a plan? Because its the next best newest latest greatest stimulus coming your way.

    #4.13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:19 AM EST
    Smc31569

    MRZK...a Repugnicant showing his true colors. Like the rest of the GOP.. it's all about ME ME ME and SCREW the rest of you.

    Nice. I hope KARMA has something really nice in store for you and your ilk.

    • 1 vote
    #4.14 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:44 AM EST
    Kathleen54

    MistaMama, I hope 2010 is a better for you than this one has been. Best of luck to you during these difficult times.

    Tweetheart, I will bear your comments in mind when (if) I do some Christmas shopping. Thanks for the reminder about our local business people. It's easy to forget when online shopping is so convenient, although I can live without the shipping charges. Good luck to you too during the Christmas shopping season.

    • 1 vote
    #4.15 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:26 PM EST
    tweetheart44

    Mista and Kathleen, Thank you so much for your kind messages. I hope that both of you have a wonderful holiday season!

    • 1 vote
    #4.16 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:23 PM EST
    Stu-4803409

    Tweet, quick question, what are you paying your employees, ... often times they are going to be the ones putting that $$$ back in your til and your fellow small business owners, and if you pay them peanuts expect to get peanuts back. We can't spend what we don't have and for too long now small businesses and corporations expect the $$$ to just fall from the sky somehow.

    Reaganomics at work. I'm sure these buttwipe CEOs are going to come in to your small businesses and spend the 1000x what they took from the workers this year. Wish in one hand and poo in the other as they say.

    Not to blame you personally tweet, its business in general that needs to realize the connection between what you pay and what you get back, and more importantly who you are paying it to. When most businesses these days give $9/hr to the vast majority of us, they are not going to see strong sales.

    • 3 votes
    #4.17 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:34 PM EST
    economics101

    Actually the theory of Reaganomics is that the CEOs will invest the moneyand employ more people ..... at higher wages - the only problme is they dcided to employ people in third world countires for pennies on the dollar of what we consider min wage ....

      #4.18 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:34 AM EST
      tweetheart44

      Stu, Well, right now I have no employees because I can't afford to have any. I had one employee and paid her $10.00 an hour. I am running my business by myself six days a week, eight hours a day.

      • 1 vote
      #4.19 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:56 AM EST
      economics101

      Tweet,

      small businesses are effectively on the same side as employees. Big business sucks up all the resources and LEAVES VERY LITTLE FOR SMALL BUSINESS. It is amazing how many struggle against this every day ....

        #4.20 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:54 PM EST
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        Kathleen54

        Too bad the merchants can't get together with Big Credit Card. Here's our story:

        We were far below our limit on the card when we were notified that our limit had been lowered. The limit was lowered to below what we currently had on the card. That meant our interest payments would be 27 percent. Haha! We paid the bill in full, cut up the card and have used cash to pay for everything for the past year. We don't have as much 'stuff' but no credit card debt, ever again probably. We own a home, have other assets and money in a 401k. We toss out all credit card apps as they arrive in the mail.

        Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot.

        • 8 votes
        Reply#5 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:38 PM EST
        River-239955

        :) Way to go, Kathleen !!

        • 4 votes
        #5.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:39 PM EST
        Smc31569

        Sure...that's great if you already own a home and are never going to need to rely on credit to buy a home, car or some other NECESSITY. Unfortunately those of us who are some day hoping to buy a new home, car etc are forced into debt/credit score bondage ...sigh :(

        • 2 votes
        #5.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:47 AM EST
        Kathleen54

        Understood, Smc. It just seemed stupid of them to do that to us when we obviously have some collateral. My daughter and her husband had it happen to them, too, only they have no such collateral. The were paying around $600 a month on a $7000 credit card bill and getting nowhere since their interest was 27 percent. They are trying so hard not to file for bankruptcy. There is a difference between interest and usury. The latter should be punishable by jail time. Bastids.

        • 2 votes
        #5.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:30 PM EST
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        WScott84

        It's pretty sad that the real meaning, or the whole point of Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus, has pretty much been lost. But have we really reach a low point in our country that if you don't spend spend spend on presents, your a "scrooge". I'm sorry, but the last time I check Christmas is just as much about family and friends, memories, and the overall Christmas atmosphere. Is it so wrong to maybe want to help a family who is really in need, who can't even afford a Christmas dinner, let alone presents, even if that means *gasp* spending a little less on presents. Is this what the news media has come to, Christmas is nothing more than buy each other presents?

        • 5 votes
        Reply#6 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:12 PM EST
        rick-673281

        I agree with you but a big part of the problem is in most places you cant even call it Christmas most are now calling it Happy Holidays instead no wonder it has turned into a shopping holiday then a religious holiday. We have been keeping our spending down over the last few years and this one will be even cheaper(money wise) but church is still there for all of us. We do use the holiday discounts tho for clothing and necessities for the family some really good buys on clothing for the family,

        • 6 votes
        #6.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:42 PM EST
        tweetheart44

        I agree that the birth of Christ and being with our families are the most important part of Christmas.

        This article was about the economy. As a small business owner, I won't be around next year if people don't spend a little more this year. That's the bottom line. And, in addition, there will be even more people in the unemployment line. Do your small businesses a favor this year. Please don't nickel and dime them to death by asking for discounts. These days, we can't even make enough to pay the rent say nothing of even thinking of taking any pay. Most of us work full time and put every penny back into the business just to keep our doors open!

        • 2 votes
        #6.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:31 PM EST
        Stephanie, RN

        I supported my local small business owner. I HATE Walmart! I REFUSE to go there unless I have to! I bought my kids Christmas clothes at a small store. She buys new clothes on sale or clearance and sells them for slightly more than she bought them for. They are name brand clothes but I still save big over going to The Children's Place, Gymboree, The Gap, etc.

        • 3 votes
        #6.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:43 PM EST
        Smc31569

        For ONCE can we keep YOUR religion out of a public conversation that has absolutely NOTHING to do with it ? Or is that too much to ask ?

        Being as Xmas is a "stolen" pagan holiday ( ie.. Festivus ... Winter Solstice) and more than one religion celebrates during this particular time of the year ( or do Xtians think no one else but them count... ie Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Agnostics and those that celebrate Kwanzaa ).

        The celebration of the holiday as it stands NOW... trees, singing, gift giving, yule logs, lights and the entire shebang are all the ORIGINAL icons and tradition of celebrating the ORIGINAL holiday which was around THOUSANDS of years before the Roman's hijacked it in order to entice the peasants to convert. The rest of the world doesn't need or WANT to celebrate according to your dictates. People are enjoying the ORIGINAL celebration in all it's spectacular splendor. This is a secular country and the Xtians don't rule it... and don't forget it.

          #6.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:56 AM EST
          Kathleen54

          Smc, that may be true to a large extent, but pretending the 'holiday' isn't about Christmas is just silly. Perhaps people are spending less because of the crass reminder that 'holiday' isn't about the meaning of Christmas but the meaning of Mastercard. It could be Divine Providence at work here, forcing Christians to see just how separate the meaning of Christmas has changed from a religious celebration into a shopping spree.

          I say, keep shoving 'holiday' into everyone's faces. The result could mean less generic inclusiveness about secular trappings and more Peace on Earth, Good Will to Men (and women) thanks to the birth of this remarkable man.

          • 2 votes
          #6.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:46 PM EST
          tweetheart44

          Please don't take Christ out of Christmas. That's what it's all about. If you don't like Christmas, don't celebrate the season. For many of us it is a wonderful time of year. We are reminded of our blessings. There is always something to be thankful for.

          Stephanie, We tried to fight a Walmart coming into our neighborhood but they are relentless. They are going to build one (24 hour + gun sales) minutes from my home and business. The store is being built miles away from the people who voted it in (all for tax purposes). They don't have to look at it or fight the traffic and hoodlums that it will bring into our community. Nice of them to think about other people, huh? The only good thing about it is that they are going to be opening a new police department right next door before the Walmart opens.

          • 2 votes
          #6.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:30 PM EST
          Stephanie, RN

          Since Walmart (aka Monopolymart) came to town, we have lost two small grocery stores, two of Walmart's competitors and another small(er) sporting goods store. It really sucks :/

          • 2 votes
          #6.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:39 PM EST
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          ma91744-1401618

          Chase Bank canceled my credit card, even though I paid the balance in full every month, so I canceled my checking and savings accounts and opened accoounts at another bank.

          I'm only buying one gift this Christmas and it will be bought with cash.

          • 7 votes
          Reply#7 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:20 PM EST
          Stu-4803409

          Best thing you can do is take money away from these banks that stole tax payer money and also screw you on the other side with fees and interest. Take it to a credit union, they actually use the money for better rates and members not billion dollar bonuses.

          Every American who keeps deposits in Chase, BoA, etc deserves what they get. If they all took out the deposits the banks would go bust, and should.

          • 2 votes
          #7.1 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:40 PM EST
          economics101

          Stu, Im all with you on the sentiment ... the problem is (for those who haven't figured it out yet) those banks will just get the gov't to force you to deposit, or even better have them tax you to deposit funds into thier bank .... or buy up all the lkittle banks and get you that way .... They own this country. The people are nothing but cattle to these guys.

          • 1 vote
          #7.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:37 AM EST
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          Kathleen54

          WScott, I hear you, loud and clear. Somehow the spirit of Christmas does get lost at the Mall.

          For me, though, I derive great joy in selecting gifts for people I love. That can be done without overdoing it. We've always given to a charity each year, be it an organized one or to a group helping a local family pay their rent and buy prezzies for their kids. I won't let shopping get in the way of what Christmas means to our family. I don't need a jeweler to tell my husband he can prove his love by giving me diamonds.

          Happy Holiday, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa to all, with or without Mastercard or Visa.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#8 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:41 PM EST
          Rixar13

          I only have one credit card and used it today to buy me and my wife new specialized bikes for Christmas. It's all I can afford this year but they are nice bikes and the gas is cheap. Just like the Flintstones.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#9 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:08 PM EST
          oneforall

          According to polls, seventy percent of the people say they won't purchase something unless it has been discounted by at least fifty percent. Three out of every ten households say that someone in their home has been laid off from a job in the last year. Retailers say that purchases are down by more than fifteen percent from last year, which was a terrible year for retail. And now this year shoppers are unwilling or unable to make purchases with their credit cards. How many more businesses will be lost this year due to poor sales?

          • 2 votes
          Reply#10 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:23 PM EST
          Kathleen54

          It is somewhat ironic that with all the hoopla about Christmas being 'holiday', all associations with Christmas being 'holiday' and the effort to make 'holiday' the reason for the season, there is dismay about a decrease in spending. I find myself looking at all the tinsel which has taken center stage and wondering what happened to Christmas. If everyone is so offended by Christmas, then why try to sell stuff to us in the form of 'holiday' merchandise? It is shallow. It is a reminder that we should move away from the mall and back into our churches or homes with the people we love. Buy a few gifts from stores that sell Christmas presents, skip the 'holiday' crap and take back Christmas from those who would seek to dilute its meaning.

          • 2 votes
          #10.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:54 PM EST
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          1623 yankee

          I buy $50/wk worth of groceries to support my local supermarket, the USA, Paraguay, New Zealand, Costa Rica, Brazil, Israel, Spain, Canada and others.

          I buy $35/wk worth of gasoline to support my local gas station, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, England, the United Arab Emirates and others.

          That's good enough for ya. Not a nickel for China.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#11 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:24 PM EST
          ThePatriarch

          No such thing as "trickle down", trickle up is what dirves this economy...without the consumer the economy is dead...

          • 3 votes
          Reply#12 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:28 PM EST
          JoJo-the dog faced boyDeleted
          skittles-1303346

          Gifts for the kids, only (pick two things you really want.) Elephant gift parties for the rest, fun and cheap. Happy Holidays!

            Reply#14 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:14 PM EST
            The Gunshark

            We are probably going to be better off now that we are saving more and spending a bit less. The economy will probably take a hit during December because of this, but we'll be stronger for it when people pay off their debts and have some discipline when they spend their money.

            A common rule applies: If you don't have the money now or in the immediate future, you should probably think about putting that thing you are holding down.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#15 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:31 PM EST
            Wildcard-781265

            MRZK.COM

            "Yeah, I want financial advice from "The G.W. Bush School of Spend Like a Drunken Sailor".

            Me? I'm salting my money away until the prices drop, drop and drop. Personally, I'm hoping you all go bankrupt and I get everything at Circuit City-like discount prices."

            Thank you for enlightening us how you feel, don’t hold back now, just let it out.

            Bush would be a good place to start, but obama can teach you how to print funny money and then spend it on things that don’t help the public, that sounds more like what you are looking for.

            But before you dump everyone and wish them the worst, you might want to consider this, it is people who help people not governments; it is people who care about each other not governments.

            I hope you make it, I hope you find a place where you can save, save, save and then when you have enough you can spend it…if you can find anywhere to spend it or anyone who wants your money.

            Happy thanksgiving and Merry Christmas!

              Reply#16 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:42 PM EST
              Wildcard-781265

              I remember one Christmas when we had nothing, no presents, no tree, nothing, dad was hurt on the job and was not able to work for 6 months, back then there was no workman’s comp and personal insurance was only for the rich.

              It was hard for the folks to know that there would be nothing for us kids, we made little things for each other and the folks, but you know what, that was the best Christmas we ever had and it is the one out of all of them we all remember best, that was in 1947.

              It’s nice to give and get but that is not what it is all about, it’s better to be together as a family and have each other than to be rich and all alone in a house full of people.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#17 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:51 PM EST
              reason84

              Wow....just wow at the article title alone. What do you expect and what do you want? Want people to buy more things they can't afford? Take out and max a few more additional credit cards and spend money they don't have (on top of being unemployed which quite a large number of people are)? ...And people wonder why the economy tanked? This is turning into the movie 'Idiocracy' very fast. Don't look at it as being a 'scrooge', look at it as WISING UP (for once in their lives).

              • 6 votes
              Reply#18 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:22 PM EST
              Smc31569

              Really... how do business owners expect us to buy things when credit card rates are through the roof and even the minimum payments now are eating up a good part of most people's disposable income, people are now reluctant to charge and who has cash with most people's hours being cut or jobs lost ? And to make things worse....food/gas/clothes and other things are getting MORE expensive.. not cheaper ! I'm spending a good part of my income buying at discount stores ( ie.. Big Lots, Ross, TJMaxx ) and thrift shops ( Habitat for Humanity, Goodwill, Salvation Army, local hospice thrifts) and not only have I gotten some incredible deals but about 90% of the items I buy are either brand new or barely used and of high quality. Why should I spend my money at retail stores ?? Even when I DO have the money I still find better deals on nicer merchandise shopping this way. It's not that I'm "cheap"...I just like being able to get MORE for my money.

              I'm at the point where I'm subsisting on things like PB&J, waffles, grilled cheese, cereal and soup. Food has gotten outrageously expensive, prices have MORE than doubled on most items over the last year alone, and so have household products... ($15 for paper towels and $10 for toilet paper ??? ) I'll be wiping my a$$ with leaves pretty soon.

              No one will be getting anything from me for the holidays this year and I'm usually quite generous but I'm self employed and have seen very little work this year. Who says a "gift" has to be a material item anyways ? Why can't your "gift" to someone be taking care of a chore they haven't been able to get around to, or babysitting so someone can go out and do something w/their spouse, or using your talents/skills for someone's benefit... like giving a haircut or a manicure or a makeover, helping someone repair something in their home or build something ? There are many many things that I would appreciate MORE than gifts...and that's someone's time and help. Think about it. THAT is what "giving" should really be about. Not what you can buy or how much you can spend.

              • 3 votes
              #18.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:09 PM EST
              Anita Bail Out

              $10 for toilet paper ??? I'll be wiping my a$$ with leaves pretty soon.

              lol

              • 2 votes
              #18.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:03 PM EST
              Kathleen54

              Just make sure they aren't poison ivy.

              • 4 votes
              #18.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:13 PM EST
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              Stephanie, RN

              We lowered our Christmas budget and I am not at all Scrooge like. If anything, I am less Scrooge like than in years past. I am not stressing about how we are going to come up with the money for Christmas b/c we are on the budget which means NO overspending. Our kids are old enough to learn that Christmas isn't about getting gifts or Santa (gasp...my kids don't believe in a chubby jolly man brining them presents), it is about the birth of Jesus.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#19 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:35 PM EST
              brittenyzmuda

              Christmas is here, give til it hurts!

              • 1 vote
              Reply#20 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:37 PM EST
              chris-1219800

              it's not debt you Moron it's taxes.

              in any household, one spouse works just to pay taxes.

              why don't you do a story on that you left wing pillow biting stooge.

              sales, excises, property, car, gas, tolls, empty bottle, town dump, building permit, fishing license, taxes on and on.

              charities are hurting as well.

              how about a story on how charities are much more effecient at solving problems than the parasitic public sector.

              i've given you two great stories to get started on.

              fat chance...

                Reply#21 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:59 PM EST
                River-239955

                Speaking of morons.......................................

                • 8 votes
                #21.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:01 PM EST
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                Midwestlady

                My family of 5 will only be doing gifts for the kids. We have a move and things are going to be tight. This will cut our savings by more than half and finding work will be very hard.

                Maybe my kids will understand the true meaning of being thankful this week and throughout the holidays as this will be a season for the true meaning of family and togetherness.

                • 7 votes
                Reply#22 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:18 PM EST
                JoJo-the dog faced boyDeleted
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                Lampell

                As we all know, its been drummed into us, consumers represent 70pct of all spending. We are told to save, we spend too much. So what does the govt do, gives us tax cuts that are supposed to be spent, cash for clunkers so we can increase our debt and trade in a old F 150 for a new F 150, give out tax credits for new home buyers so that they can get that house they really couldnt afford without the tax credit. Little schizophrenic if you ask me.

                As far as holiday shopping is concerned I think all the experts will be suprised, people will spend way more than expected. Many people in debt get depressed if they cant go to the shopping mall, makes them feel better to do so even if they dont have the money (what else is new). Then we can read that spending was better than expected since the expectation was so low in the first place. The experts will pore over the data, come to all kinds of conclusions and then be surprised why spending dropped in Jan, never ending cycle but fun to read about:)

                • 1 vote
                Reply#23 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:36 PM EST
                etradingitems25Deleted
                wiscmh

                I think the commercialization of Christmas is absurd. We call it "Giftmas." We have cut way back and I look forward to the S**** it and just have a meal and enjoy each others' company.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#25 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:30 PM EST
                Smokie-788412

                Thanks to the Obama Bunch the Christmas season will be short sales and gifts for family and friends. Congress has stuck again. Placing everything else but concern for the public. Many will be looking for seasonal unemployment wages just to pay the rent. I'm just so tickled that the President and Congress was to make sure that the Big Business world could share a profitable holiday season with the tax money they have from the people of the United Sates. We are lucky Congress has agreed to extend unemployment benefits to the end of the year. Now wasn't that nice.

                  Reply#26 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:08 PM EST
                  Stu-4803409

                  You mean thanks to the Bush bunch, do some research, this all started in 2007. Maybe someone will get you a good book on economics or history instead of letting you soak in all that right wing crap for another year.

                  • 3 votes
                  #26.1 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:45 PM EST
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                  Wildcard-781265

                  I wonder what obama will give his girls? All of the politicians will have a good holliday, they all got their pay.

                  Happy Thanksgiving Viners!

                    Reply#27 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:26 PM EST
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