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Is Obama's star dimming as U.S. stock drops?

Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:39 PM EST
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In this May 1, 2003, file photo, President Bush declares the end of major combat in Iraq as he speaks aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln off the California coast. The White House said Wednesday, April 30, 2008, that President Bush has paid a price for the "Mission Accomplished" banner that was flown in triumph five years ago but later became a symbol of U.S. misjudgments and mistakes in the long and costly war in Iraq. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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WASHINGTON — TON - With its pomp and glitter, a White House state dinner is a symbol as much as a meal — social evidence of the central leadership role that America plays in world affairs.

But even of the wake of President Barack of Obama's first such dinner — complete with celebrities and gourmet curry for Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh — I have a nagging sense that all of that grandeur has become a little deceiving.

I’m not sure the rest of the world sees the White House as “the place to be” any more. And that will have unsettling consequences for all of us.

Obama’s role as the elegant, path-breaking, intercultural celebrity is not enough to reverse a steady erosion of our global dominance — especially not if he’s seen merely as a new hood ornament on an economic clunker.

My concern is merely anecdotal. But I have been collecting anecdotal evidence for decades. It’s what I do for a living.

I was in London and Paris last week while Obama was making his first trip to Asia. I kept paging through the local papers for stories about the trip. They were only few — almost none. He was all but invisible, except when bowing deeply to the emperor of Japan. There weren’t many stories about the United States, either.

In the business world of London, the talk last week was all about the money pouring into China, India, and Brazil, and to a lesser extent, Russia.

The cash under discussion wasn’t from American investors, but rather Saudi Arabia, the Persian Gulf and Europe — and even trickles from one BRIC to another.

Every fund manager who was living in or passing through London bragged about just having been to — or about to leave for — China.

I never thought the glitter of Regent Street could match Manhattan, but it does.

In Paris, the headlines and the political talk I heard and read did not focus on our president or our prospects, but on the selection of a new — and no longer merely symbolic — leader for a United Europe. Europeans were talking to each other directly; Americans were not, as far as I could tell, very much a part of the conversation.

Even in matters of science and technology, I saw cause for concern. Europe is now pressing ahead successfully with its CERN supercollider, the largest experiment in the history of physics. The open-source management of the project is itself something new — and, like the World Wide Web, a non-U.S. invention.

Now, I know that one can never — should never — sell the U.S. short. Our economy, as inequitable and capricious as it is, remains the largest if not the strongest of them all. And our military, over-extended as it is, is the only one that can keep peace on the planet.

I’m not a “declinist.” I have faith in our special destiny and re-generative powers. And the U.K. and Europe have their own fiscal problems — it still isn’t clear whether the BRICs can contain the explosion they’ve unleashed.

Still, my trip made me ask two questions: why and so what?

After rivers of cash poured into the U.S., a “flight to safety” induced — ironically, thanks to our own profligacy. Now the world’s trillions are being shipped elsewhere in search of better returns. And the hoard is no longer being counted solely in dollars.

Much of that money is piled up in China and the Gulf — two places where business is increasingly being done without Wall Street as the middle man.

For one thing, it’s more efficient. For another, there are fewer cultural and security concerns.

When Osama Bin Laden attacked New York City, he meant to assault the central switching station for capital assets and direct them elsewhere.

To some extent, it has worked. In London I met Arab and Muslim moneymen who left the U.S. after 9/11 — and have not been back. “The security is just too much of a hassle,” said one Dubai-based investor. “It’s not worth it.”

And now New York — the erstwhile center of the financial action — is about to become paralyzed by the emotions of reliving Sept. 11 by the courtroom ravings of Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

Washington may not prove to be an attractive a place for investors, either. We’re busy here trying to figure out how to deal with a national debt of $12 trillion — which could double in a decade.

Other countries are just as heavily leveraged as we are — or even more so — including the UK and Japan. But they don’t have the world’s reserve currency, or our colossal global military commitments.

Meanwhile, the growth rate in the BRICs for the most part re-mains strong. You can’t overstate smart money’s obsession with China even as our own global brand has been damaged.

Right now, we seem to be known abroad primarily for war, debt and dirt in the air — and not as the beacon and example of humanity at its best. The wars and borrowing of the Bush administration are a good part of the reason why — and it’s a grim reality Obama confronts every day.

And so what?

The “so what” is about the American standard of living, but, more importantly, the standard of thinking. We are built on faith in the future. Our narrative has always been upward and outward.

So now, we may have to turn inward for a while, and turn the microscope on ourselves. How do we renew and restore ourselves?

Maybe the prime minister of India had some ideas for Obama Tuesday night.

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independentbychoiceRestored

Is Obama's star dimming as U.S. stock drops?

His celebrity is not enough to reverse an erosion of our global dominance

seems to me our global dominance starting dropping about 9 years ago. this isn't a recent development.

  • 52 votes
#1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:51 PM EST
Chargerguy

it did?

I figureed our global domances started when Clinton sold out to the chinese.

  • 105 votes
#1.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:01 PM EST
ChargerSD

Chargerguy, whatup? you are right, our demise started when Clinton sold out to the Chinese! now they can buy us and sell us at will!

  • 58 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:03 PM EST
Loyd Eskildson

America's economy is weak because: 1)We allow Asia to take our jobs while hiding behind various protective rules and currency manipulations. 2)We allow Mexico to take our jobs while hiding behind the cloak of 'political correctness." 3)We waste over $2 trillion/year in education, health care, defense, and prison expenditures, compared to other developed nations. 4)Our government budgets (state and federal) are an irresponsible farce. 5)Our economists (eg. Geithner, Summers, etc.) are incompetent - we need to hire China's.

  • 65 votes
#1.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:11 PM EST
keet59

Has anyone seen an artical on MSBoma about these GW files that were hacketed.

Funny they never report such things, but will report top secret military files.

  • 27 votes
#1.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:22 PM EST
CatydidRestored

And why is our decline in global dominance President Obama's fault when he has been in office for less than a year? Another ridiculous article by the press who is struggling to survive.

  • 33 votes
#1.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:24 PM EST
M Thompson-1401432

You are most likely a Democrat, who voted for "The Change" now you are getting what you wanted, in less than a year! Hang on, the best is yet to come. You and your CHANGE minions are all BOOBS! We can't wait till 2010!

  • 93 votes
#1.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:28 PM EST
lantry

your star is demming,the only shine he had was hype from msnbc,abc cbs,cnn.

  • 74 votes
#1.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:29 PM EST
CATHY M.-647265

Catydid - if you read the complete article the demise is not accredited to President Obama, but to the last 8 years of the Bush/Cheney War/Wall Street Complex.

  • 26 votes
#1.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:30 PM EST
nasty-stain

Obama is and has always been a nerd. Anyone who believes otherwise is a full blown retard! OMG, this msnbc love affair with obama is sickening. Timmay!

  • 63 votes
#1.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:31 PM EST
Dennis-956826

Sometimes MSNBC just makes me gag. Their view of Obama is unsettling at best, undeserved for sure, and unprecedented to say the least. Their adoration has clouded their objectivity and they see everyone at fault, but Obama.

"Obama’s role as the elegant, path-breaking, intercultural celebrity is not enough to reverse a steady erosion of our global dominance." - MSNBC

MSNBC you make me want to puke. Obama, You are the worst president ever, Ever, EVER, EVER!!! I hope our country can last until we replace your sorry a$$ in 2012.

  • 77 votes
#1.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:33 PM EST
cjn-718250Restored

Our global dominance was escalated by the war mongers!!!
A few ways to bring America back is get out of the wars and stop giving tax breaks to all the companies who've shipped jobs overseas!! The last administration did alot of damage in both areas while sitting on their as*es watching the economic meltdown which was partially caused by both of those issues!!!! Sickening!!

  • 20 votes
#1.11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:33 PM EST
justice fleeting

Previous Presidents have little to do with the economy, but many try to resurrect the dollar or spur economic growth when things get really bad, as they do occasionally.

Well, Obama tried to alter the economic forces that were failing and he and his advisors have failed, thus far. The only good, if you want to call it that, is that government jobs and union jobs have stabilized. Private enterprise and both large and small companies are still swimming with one nostril in the water, about to drown in debt and bankruptcy.

What we need is tax breaks, lower taxes, oil drilling, nuclear power building, and investment incentives. We don't need to taxed more, have offers of useless tax credits, increase entitlement and welfare spending that creates lifelong dependency on the government.

  • 38 votes
#1.12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:34 PM EST
Maxter

It's not dimming...It's completely out...Who turned out the lights...How do we get out of this Bad Dream they call ObamaNation!!!!!!!!!

  • 70 votes
#1.13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM EST
navalairsupport

catydid...........it's about the wasteful programs obama has put into place......and yes in less than one year....do you understand that once our currency was revered world wide. when you show no signs of monetary restraint, what do your neighbors think about your recklessness. obama is not a leader, he's a good talker. and some still buy his well rehearsed speechs.

  • 40 votes
#1.14 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:39 PM EST
yo there

The Bamer is just like Clinton. All show and no substance. Unless he is very lucky and the economy comes back strong, which it doesn't look like it is going to do at this point in time, he is a one term president. They are already linking him to that total failure, Jimmy Carter. We will see.

  • 37 votes
#1.15 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:41 PM EST
MTpolitico

Obama’s role as the elegant, path-breaking, intercultural celebrity is not enough to reverse a steady erosion of our global dominance

Finemans obvious love affair with all that is Obama has clearly blinded him to the fact that the object of his crush has turned a minor erosion into a crashing mudslide of the dominance of America. Obama the star isn't dimming he was a super nova and all around him is being scorched to ashes. We'll be left with a black hole economy that will suck in any hope of recovery in the near future. Thanks in no small part to the blubbering media hacks like Fineman and their biased, BS, so called, reporting.

  • 31 votes
#1.16 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:41 PM EST
dEd Grimley

I apologize for being the bearer of bad news, but it's not a first year president who was given a country in utter disrepair that's to blame for the state of the country, nor am I even going to tell you that it's entirely the fault of the previous president, but rather a public that continues to work against its best interests, supporting politicians corrupted by disgustingly corrupt business people, who put their sheer greed, taking far more than any person should ever possibly need unto one's self, above the basic necessities of a functional economy and society. The American public is obsessed with political buzzwords and emotional reactions, and who don't take nearly enough time to understand what they're getting themselves into, deferring to the obnoxious mouthpieces of their chosen political parties, who are, in turn, mouthpieces of their corporate masters.

I'm not asking for a revolution, nor am I trying to tell people to "wake up", but the fact of the matter is that Americans run around like decapitated chickens, blaming the guy on the other side for all of the nation's ills, and they rarely can explain why they even think so.

  • 45 votes
#1.17 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:42 PM EST
Brooklyn BoxerDeleted
malocchio

I was hoping he would be honest and do a good job. LOL

  • 15 votes
#1.19 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:43 PM EST
JMan-418006

Still better than McCain.

  • 19 votes
#1.20 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:44 PM EST
rightasrain-1488739

It's alright..he's too busy becoming a communist dictator to notice.

  • 36 votes
#1.21 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:47 PM EST
Michael-633180Deleted
truthseeker-

Obammma never was a star, just a hype of the far left media. The "change you can believe in" is not "change you can live with" and Obammma is destroying the last shread of respect we have in the international community. his 'transparency" has become clear, it is all a lie. His dithering on the Afghanistan troop level has made him the laughing stock of the military world, and his decision to give our hard fought for constitutional freedoms and rights to Muslim Terrorists who want nothing but to destroy us will bring more disrespect and a new wave of terrorism.

He has destroyed the banking industry, the investment industry, the auto industry, and now he is destroying the our healthcare, the best is the world.

He is not a star, he is a meterior about to destroy the world as we knew it.

Replace them all in 2010

  • 50 votes
#1.23 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:49 PM EST
state-1026594

no

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:57 PM EST
Fred-256289

Hmm, funny MSNBC brings up the borrowing of the Bush administration but not the borrowing of the Obama administration. Let me tally it up here and see who has borrowed more....

The road this administration has us on will make us a third world country.

  • 41 votes
#1.25 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM EST
usmcvet5711

Better than McCain JMAn really? Prove it show me one economic policy that this administration has put forward that has done anything other than prolong the agony of failing companies, proping up corrupt business to conduct their corrupt business as usual and show a desire to put in every economic roadblock for businesses to recover?

You cannot say that he is better than McCain because McCain has not had a chance to run the country. At this point I would love to throw McCain in the office and see what he could do as I believed that McCain was the lesser of two evils in this election.

I do not believe that we have had a good Presidential Candidate from Either party in the last 20 years or so. Or at least a good candidate that won their party's primaries.

Tell you what lets stick McCain in the office for the next year and see how he does. Whoever does the better job gets the rest of the term in office. Now that would be an interesting comparison.

  • 35 votes
#1.26 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM EST
Brian-595389

MTpolitico, I completely agree. My analogy is Obama took an economy that was suffering from a head cold, and turned it into a sucking chest wound. Virtually everything he and his equally clueless dimwits in congress have done has either exasperated the situation or at best simply delayed the inevitable. Hopefully after 2010 & 1012, and as much damage control as possible has been implemented to get our country back on its founding principles, Keynesian Economic theory will be exposed for the BS it is and thrown on the scrap heap of all the other failed liberal ideas.

  • 34 votes
#1.27 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:00 PM EST
Dennis-956826

I compare Obama's demise to an old western where the stagecoach is about to run off a cliff and explode on the way down. Those that support Obama say, "Hey, Look, Obama has only had the reigns for a little less than a mile. The other driver that bailed had the reigns for eight miles. We cannot hold Obama responsible for letting the stagecoach go over the cliff, He has tried to do everything possible. He has had a talk with the horses and asked then to slow down." He has promised them extra grain when they get to the next town. His passengers, Harry and Nancy, support everything he has told those horses. He keeps whipping the horses, but the cliff just gets closer and closer. Maybe if he sat down and had a beer with them? Did he remember to bow to the horses when he got on the stagecoach? Maybe if we had an experienced stagecoach driver instead of a community organizer? What's that Obama? You want to tax two of the horses to pay for the other six's health insurace?

Just a little advice Mr. Obama... try stepping on the breaks for a change.

  • 30 votes
#1.28 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:01 PM EST
Greek Prince

Yes, when Clinton took office, U.S. standing in the world began it's decline. Bush put the fear of God into the Muslim world of the U.S. However, he had no exit strategy and the winning of the War in Iraq and Afghanistan has been overshadowed by the trouble of governing a people that do not have any experience with democracy and do not want it. Obama has escalated the decline of the U.S. in the eyes of the world exponentially. His apologies and weak support of our allies is emboldening our Muslim and Communist enemies around the world.

  • 24 votes
#1.29 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:01 PM EST
Rickeroo

Article:

His celebrity is not enough to reverse an erosion of our global dominance

I guess Obama is doing everything he can to maintain our status as a global leader, a beacon of freedom as Reagan put forth.

Ummm...

  • 3 votes
#1.30 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:04 PM EST
dEd Grimley

Brooklyn Boxer proves my point perfectly... No analytics, just a joke he heard from someone else.

  • 7 votes
#1.31 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:05 PM EST
Analyst-451580

By way of comment on your comments , I say "Hear! Hear!

  • 1 vote
#1.32 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:14 PM EST
John-614398

I find it amazing that this article was even posted on MSNBC. Heads will probably roll over this.

But then maybe this is a preview of what we can expect when Comcast takes over NBC.

HMM.

  • 8 votes
#1.33 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:15 PM EST
MotorcycleEmptiness

Do you people honestly think that America's global dominance would be inevitable? Neither Obama nor McCain could've done anything about the slide. Both were still campaigning when the crisis absolutely wrecked western economies. As soon as Lehman Brother's fell, that was it, game over.

The 19th Century was the British Century, the 20th was America's. The 21st is now China's. It happens.

  • 10 votes
#1.34 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:15 PM EST
TruePatriot-445959

The U.S. is in decline because of the backward elements in our society. We have the Flat Earth Society of the religious right-wing, the neocons who think the U.S. should police the world, the free market theorists who don't want regulations of any kind, along with their newer counterparts the Tea Baggers who hate our government and don't want to pay taxes for anything.

Enough with Peyton-Place Palin, dry-drunk Glen Beck, and wife-beating drug user Rush Limbaugh. It is just a matter of time when these other countries will surpass us, including Communist China. Gasp! Even Socialism is evil, so how could that be?

If these countries don't invest in military intervention, why do we? If they have universal health care, why don't we? If they have alternative energy, why don't we? And on and on. There was a time when countries like Japan copied what we did. Now, what ever they are doing right, we need to get with it too.

  • 12 votes
#1.35 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:22 PM EST
BobbyJ-1171478

Haha. OMG, there are more right wingers on this board than a polygamist wedding!

  • 10 votes
#1.36 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:23 PM EST
TruePatriot-445959

I don't know why they aren't on NewsMax, WorldNetDaily, or Free Republic. Let's just hope they actually read the other posts and maybe learn something.

  • 5 votes
#1.37 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:29 PM EST
Somesense

The wars and borrowing of the Bush administration are a good part of the reason why —

Libbies...it wasn't GWB who took over the car industry...it wasn't GWB who increased taxes during a recession..it wasn't GWB who has taken over mortgages, banks and loans..it isn't GWB who has control of the flow of money by decreasing taxes for any major recovery to occur..it wasn't GWB who spent more money in 8 months than the prior 8 years..it wasn't GWB who had a stimulus package that "had to pass and be implemented" to save this country from the recession that the US is in....it wasn't GWB who has 10% plus unemployment rate.... Happy Thanksgiving!!!

  • 20 votes
#1.38 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:31 PM EST
Mike W-595875

I do believe that Grimley hit the nail right on the head. While the dittoheads are throwing out one liners blameing Obama for everything including the fall of the Roman Empire the are forgetting to look to themselves. They are such shallow, un-thinking people that they let a couple of entertainers do their thinking for them.

  • 9 votes
#1.39 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:32 PM EST
salem1692

Independant, You took the words out of my mouth. The erosion of global dominance started when a complete idiot was elected, started wars that were for personal gain and glorification, ( remember the stuffed crotch shot) being dick-tated by a monster.

  • 7 votes
#1.40 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:32 PM EST
Viet Vet-981266

"Right now, we seem to be known abroad primarily for war, debt and dirt in the air — and not as the beacon and example of humanity at its best. The wars and borrowing of the Bush administration are a good part of the reason why — and it’s a grim reality Obama confronts every day."

Blame Bush, Blame Bush ssems to be the battle cry of our current impontent Administration. There were alot of empty promisses made during the last campaign for the Presidency with absolutely no idea as to how to keep them.

The current debt the Administration and Congress keeps piling on will set this Great Nation back decades.

At least the former Administration made an attempt at keep this country safe!

We will always be the beacon of Democracy on this planet, DO NOT let articles and rhetoric attempt to dissuade any citizen of this fact.

  • 5 votes
#1.41 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:33 PM EST
russ-397784

His star is not dimming....It went super nova and now he is a black hole who will stuck down anyone who comes near him. As a black man I am sorry to say that Obama and his weak leadership and policies has insured that there will not be another black or half black President in this century. To once think less then a year ago they were showing his portrait besides MLK. Disgusting...

  • 23 votes
#1.42 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:33 PM EST
JustAThought08

I live and work near Washington DC and because of my job I have friends and acquaintances from around the world. The general attitude and consensus was (and is, if my email is any indication) that America's best years are behind it.

People believed that GW Bush's first election was engineered by political conspiracy. Despite that, we still had a great deal of international good will after 9/11 - a willingness to use international technology infrastructure and financial systems to support efforts to fight terrorism. But we utterly squandered that goodwill, which turned to disgust after we invaded Iraq.

Many thought we would surely vote Bush out of office in 2004. They saw the Iraq invasion in terms of Bush and Cheney's desire to establish a US military presence in the Middle East in order to seize control of the sea of oil the country floats on, to be exploited by the US oil industry. The war also enriched the US military industrial complex. They never believed it had anything to do with fighting terrorism, and to them Cheney's insistence on tying 9/11 to the war in Iraq was a deception so transparent, they wondered about our collective intelligence.

The Bush administration financial collapse and the debt that Bush's financial policies and that the TARP bailout put us in sealed the deal. The disgust has turned to real anger. They blame the US financial services system for turning the globe into one giant casino, and believe that capitalist greed caused us to encourage speculative investments in basically worthless financial instruments. This caused a lot of harm around the world, widespread economic hardship, job losses worse than in the US.

They seem to really admire President Obama and the American people for electing him, mostly because they see it as a return to ideals that they feel we largely abandoned during the Bush administration. They also think that President Obama is more trustworthy and more intelligent than Bush/Cheney. The general tone of the conversation is that it is too late for us though, that we will never recover from the damage that the Bush administration did.

China is seen as the significant, inevitably emerging superpower now. They have the infrastructure, raw materials, international relations and human capital to support a dramatic rise, and they will continue to grow in world dominance.

One of my friends, from Singapore, went to school here after living in Beijing for four years. She traveled all over. She was often incredulous about the sense of superiority that Americans seemed to her to have, saying that we really had no idea how backwards we are compared to many other countries.

I think that is probably true.

  • 13 votes
#1.43 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:34 PM EST
nocash4clunker

His celebrity? A president is supposed to be a public servant, not a celebrity. We went from a frat boy (Bush) to a toddler thinking the world evolves around him, then throwing a fit if he doesn't get his own way.

  • 14 votes
#1.44 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:36 PM EST
The Original Mac

Star? More like a black hole.

  • 13 votes
#1.45 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:38 PM EST
neelyrulz8

Gold paint doesn't last too long. After a while the crap started flaking off the "Golden" child and we were left with a pile of #2...

  • 12 votes
#1.46 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:41 PM EST
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JustAThought08

Okay, call me crazy but aren't stocks waayyy up? They were below 9,000 last December, dipped below 6,000 in March, then started climbing steadily and are above 10,000 now. What drop ais teh headline referring to, exactly?

Seems to me that this headline is not oriented to reality. It does not have much to do with the article either, where the writer lauds President Obama's popularity around the globe, and worries it is not enough to salvage the US's global prestige or make up for the damage the terrorists and Bush/Cheney did to the financial system.

  • 5 votes
#1.49 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:54 PM EST
Hawaii2

Another repeat performance.

Is Obama up to the job for handling being the Leader of the Free World?.

Why wasn't that questioned asked before people voted for him? I forgot, every ACORNER was bussed in, all people who never voted before were rounded up and made to vote. Hmmmmm, a Democracy, no a Dictatorship.

We needed a Rock Star? Brad Pitt could have run the country just as well..

Turn out the lights, Obama's star power exploded into meterorites. Nothing but the Czars to run the country (meterorites). They are illegal appointments determining what is best for this country. Is that cause for Impeachment?

America now needs a new President to get this country going again. Who is the Majority now?, The people who didn't vote for him?

  • 12 votes
#1.50 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:56 PM EST
USARogue

AS THE CRIBPKEEPS A ROCKIN' AMERICA KEEPS DROPPIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND ALL OF YOU IDIOTS KEEP BLAMING BUSH OR OBAMA OR YO'MOMMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

What a bunch of moron's. This collapse of America has been going on for decades and all you can do is remember the last 8 years of your ridiculous party inspired rhetoric. You people are incredible. This country has been in a free-fall since the NEW DEAL, the the GREAT SOCIETY, then the CRA, then NAFTA, then POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and the final straw was 9/11. We have been lied to and manipulated by a corrupt government for decades and all you can SPEW at each other is "THE LAST 8 YEARS, THE LAST 8 YEARS, THE LAST 8 YEARS"!!!!!!! Don't you realize the rug has been slowly but surely being pulled out from under you as the rest of the world has passed us by.

In the business world of London, the talk last week was all about the money pouring into China, India, and Brazil, and to a lesser extent, Russia.

The CRIB, China, Russia, India and Brazil. Remember them? Perhaps you remember them better by the denegrating term we all used for them, THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!!!!! All this money USED TO pour into the United States. Now we are pouring all OUR monry into them.

AND THIS DID NOT HAPPEN IN THE LAST 8 YEARS FOR THOSE OF YOU LESS INTELLIGENT AMONG US!!!!!!!!

Your government, Democrats and Republicans, has been orchestrating this demise for decades. Corruption, greed, lies and power have created the Armageddon we find ourselves in. The start of the New Deal opened the floodgates of an ever expanding government that has been fueled by all the other social programs and entitlements that have been added since. No one administration is to blame, even though the Bush administration did let it get out of hand and now the Obama administration is on steroids to blow any records of debt and spending out of the water. And before any of you start with the whiney, "well, Obama inherited this mess".

BULLS**T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE DIDN'T INHERIT IT. HE ACCEPTED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He campaigned on it for 2 years. This economic meltdown has been imminent for decades. The CRA was the birthplace of our housing and commercial real estate debacle. NAFTA has created that "Giant Sucking Sound" that we were all warned about. Our nations energy dependence was ignored not once but twice in the 70's with the "Energy Crisis"!!!!!! Vietnam warned us about useless political wars. The Hostage Crisis warned us about the Middle East cesspool.

BUT, OH YEAH THE LAST 8 YEARS CAUSED IT ALL. YO'MAMMA HAD A BETTER CHANCE OF CAUSING THIS.

Democrats AND Republicans have created this. Congress has caused this. Yeah, Yeah you can all sit here and pick out your sound bites and YouTube videos and say "see, they did it, see, see?" The blame is equally spread around but it only affects you me and our country. Our government is corrupt to the tune of a 20% approval rating for Congress yet we have the nerve to look at all the other countries and call them corrupt. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOK AROUND YOU FINGER POINTING, BLAMING, WHINING BUFFOONS, WE ARE TURNING INTO A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

China laughs at our Treasury Secretary and Obama when we beg for more money for more spending and entitlements. Russia kicks us in the nuts regarding sanctions against Iran. Brazil could care less as they are discovering the massive natural resources they have to sell to the world. And India is too smart to worry about us uneducated, whining Americans as they progress in education and technology. Oh yeah, I'm sure this all happened in JUST the last 8 years.

AMERICA, STOP BLAMING AND START CLAIMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start claiming some of the position we once had in the world. We will NEVER be what we once were. There are OVER 7 BILLION people on this planet and growing. Other nations have learned, from us, how to become industrialized. Radical religious Jihads are being cast on us and the Western civilization. Our nation is BROKE!!!!! Our TOTAL DEBT is OVER $100 TRILLION DOLLARS. Yet our government insists on spending MORE!!!!! And your only argument is "well, the last 8 years, whine, whine, whine"!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOK AROUND AMERICA. IS YOUR GOVERNMENT WORKING FOR YOU OR VICE VERSA????????

IF IT ISN'T WORKING FOR YOU IT'S WORKING AGAINST YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You and only you have the power to fix this, but you know what? You won't. You know why? Because you've got your heads so far up your a$$ about the last 8 years you can't think straight anymore.

VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS IN 2010 AND 2012!!!!!!!!!!

DEMAND TERM LIMITS, 2 TERMS IN THE SENATE, 4 TERMS IN THE HOUSE.!!!!

DEMAND TRUE LINE ITEM VETO!!!!!!!!

DEMAND TRUE SUNLIGHT BEFORE SIGNING OF 30 DAYS FOR ALL MAJOR LEGISLATION!!!

DEMAND THE FED BE AUDITED!!!!!!!!

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, DEMAND YOUR POLITICIANS ADRESS THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE FACING OUR GREAT NATION.,,,,,,,

IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love my country, but I fear my government and the media more and more each minute of the day.

  • 25 votes
#1.51 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:57 PM EST
Jimmys CrackhornDeleted
espliff

Great point TruePatriot! The world wanted to emulate us; and now with the never ending wars and a fallen economy now the world looks at us at what use to be. We use to be the first with innovations, technology, education, and entrepreneurs. We use to end wars not start them. Businesses use to help people not rip us off. Now we can only rely on a President whose nostalgic ideas of what America use to and should be is constantly being undercut by the igorance of a hate-filled right wing.

  • 6 votes
#1.53 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:07 PM EST
LMarcT

Fred-256289,

Let me tally it up here and see who has borrowed more....

Please do:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/white-house-watch/bushs-red-ink-obamas-problem.html

and

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html

both show the contribution of Bush vs Obama to the deficit.

You really should read a little before you mouth off.

  • 2 votes
#1.54 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:40 PM EST
qudrcps

One need look no farther than the general level of discussion here to understand why our role in the world is declining.

The level of parochialism is laughable...

  • 5 votes
#1.55 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:01 PM EST
Locke1632

To me the real question isn't whether Obama's star is dimming. It is, whether the America's star is dimming. I'm not saying this to sound unpatriotic. My concern is that it seems like this country has become ungovernable. We have the Congressional Republicans standing on the sidelines criticising without offering constructive influence to what should be national debates on a range of extremely important topics. We have the majority democrats fractionalized with the narrowly defined interest of divergent constituencies. We have big business feeding congress's addiction for money in exchange for influence on their narrowly focused agendas. And, we have an electorate that is against anyone or anything that affects their interest on a narrow set of issues. It seems that all the players are focused on narrow definitions of, "what's in it for me' like pigs at a trough... The result is a mammoth log jam that allows on the most insipid and uncontentious changes through. If we can't break this log jam the power of our society and our ability to lead in the world will dissipate. We will continue to provide sub-optimal politically expedient solutions to big societal challenges, whilst our international competitors, who are not so catatonic, will outpace us every step of the way.

  • 4 votes
#1.56 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:05 PM EST
HMM-360962

I have to say...as a 30+ year Dem who did not vote for Obama because I thought he was all talk and no action...I still expected more! Obama has been a complete disappointment on every issue. He seems to be way too much into his celebrity and traveling all over the world with little to show for it. He just left Congress to figure everything out without him. Even on health care, Clinton worked hard with Congress to get a plan and support them. Obama is a real hands-off leader. He also seems to be too aloof and dismissive for my taste. I know a lot of Dems and Indies that are disappointed that they voted for him.

  • 9 votes
#1.57 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:27 PM EST
wcritiquing

USArogue: lol....you are hysterical, little man.

Since 9/11 attackers WERE FROM SAUDI ARABIA, our attack on Iraq MADE US LOOK retarded . Instead, Junior put The Bin Laden Family on private jet to fly home while all US Airspace was closed.

The change many Americans ( I cannot include you ) and most citizen of the world WANT US TO correct such a Gigantic mistake ( Iraq Invasion).

Then along came the Madoff Scam and the Bailout to the Rich ( aka the Banks ).

Do you will trust on us ?

Then came the shift on Afganistan. Obama did his part, We saw how our troops went to Afghanistan.

Afghanistan ....mmmnk hmmm....for some reason what comes to my mind is Charlie Wilson, the democrat from Texas who armed the insurgency against "The Red Army". I am not sure if this was a good strategy or not and if it contributed to breaking the communist block.

DO you think the US will meet the same fate as Russia? The Republicans have spent 5 trillion dollars on wars with zero exit strategy, well no even a goal.

Obamas shift in Aghanistan is going to contribute to our fall. But never like Republicans had been doing so far. I feel he is only doing this to appease all the Republican war mongers. We all know that in the end no matter what he does, they will find fault with him and deem it insufficient.

Chew on that.

  • 4 votes
#1.58 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:33 PM EST
tony-268769

I believe Mr. Obama's brain is growing dimmer.

  • 5 votes
#1.59 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:34 PM EST
rkymtnwoman

Obama is and has always been a nerd. Anyone who believes otherwise is a full blown retard! OMG, this msnbc love affair with obama is sickening. Timmay!

well, I learned long ago to choose a nerd as a leader rather than a daddy's flunkie boy idiot with ADHD, untreated alcoholism-fake cowboy, fake christian arrogant personality disordered megalomaniac
give me a nerd ANYDAY

  • 6 votes
#1.60 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:36 PM EST
bluecollarblogger

No, his star is not dimming. It never shown on anything but Oba-a-a-a-manure. Now it's getting deep and everyone can smell it. Palin's approval rating is higher than Oba-a-a-a-a-ma's.

  • 6 votes
#1.61 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:49 PM EST
tony-268769

HMM...

Correct to a "t". With all the other negative things going on with this nation, Mr. Obama basically locked our 500+ Senators and Congressmen in a room and said "do this one thing".

While "Rome" burns, our leaders have devoted the vast bulk of their working time on a single issue, producing dubious results for a populace mostly skeptical of the entire process or immediate necessity for it.

Worse than the two gargantuan plans that have gone unread is the fact that all other greatly needed issues have been basically ignored or only dealt with via whatever spare moments exist aside from the health care "reform" mess.

And all the while, our president flits about the planet visiting foreign lands, attending political rallies, and occasionally spewing some rah-rah rhetoric to try to convince a doubtful public that the prime directive of his messy presidency should be as vital to us as it apparently is to him.

  • 5 votes
#1.62 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:51 PM EST
malocchio

The fall of the USA started way back when the first " Made in China" label appeared. Since then greed and corruption have eroded the industrial building blocks of our nation. Now the population is increasing and the number of jobs in this country are declining. DO THE MATH. What the media and the administration is feeding us, will give you very bad breath.

  • 4 votes
#1.63 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:55 PM EST
jeeesus

Here's a good rule of the thumb..Too clever is dumb--Ogden Nash...as for a wizard of the light, We're Still Waiting ???...some peoples kids, he would have better off being a door to door shoe salesman, instead of selling snake oil politics....

  • 1 vote
#1.64 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:10 PM EST
Backhouse

Mr. Fineman,

Were you reading a Rupert Murdoch (R) paper in U.K, (The Times, ?Economist?) by any chance?
Also you are forever guilty of knowing nothing about Japanese etiquette. You think the correct bow was not discussed in triplicate by all of the Chiefs of Staff both American and Japanese?
Also, when Japanese people bow , it is not 'bowing down', but a nod to tradition and politeness.
The bow is just very quick and not a slo-mo to fade.

And no, Barack Obama's star is "not dimming'. The problem is that you know that!
Have you counted the dozens of speeches and events lately, from Science and Math in Schools, to the Human Rights Awards, Press Conferences, on and on and on and onand on.
Tell the truth now and then, and we will give Fineman credit where credit is due ~ as well.

And all before breakfast.

  • 2 votes
#1.65 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:16 PM EST
pjam09

It takes spending time outside of the country for someone at MSNBC to recognize the ineffectiveness of Obama, and the author actually seems surprised that other news organizations aren't publishing ass-kissing articles praising the guy for no reason. I guess waking up to reality after one year is better than never waking up at all.

  • 6 votes
#1.66 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:22 PM EST
Derek-V

Perhaps it started several years ago... but Obama has REALLY greased the rails..

Obama is Inexperienced, but flashy, Confident, yet lacking substance, He has totaly failed to grab hold of American resolve and invigorate it as Many other Presidents both Democrat and Republican alike have done in the past. And most worrisome... Obama,I my opinion... does not like America. He does not like the way America was founded. Holds a personal desire to change America fundamentally (his words,not mine) and in doing so, is willing to do whatever he can, including allowing failure in order to bring His agenda to fruition. My problems with Obama is not because He is a Democrat... if the President was able to get it done and do it right... I could care less what party he is from. My problem with Obama starts with what He believes and what he wants to happen... and that's a great big problem when HE is in the White House. I hope to be a part of ending that in 3 years.

Obama has quadrupled the Debt... there is no getting around or saying it ain't so. He did it before our very eyes while saying "If He did not spend this money right now"... at that very moment.. "the sky would fall"... That was a bold face lie... One of MANY that He has been the author of.... And now, we will pay for it. It is sad the latest generation, and those in former ones are so moved by style and flash (not uncommon to those with shallow thought) that they cannot seet... "This guy just is not that good at what he does" Of course... that does not count making speeches... if Obama could be graded soley on speech making... he would be the next Teddy Roosevelt. Instead, he is nothing more than a gas bag with bad ideas, and a inability to find the right buttons to push to get things rolling. We have been here before... more than once.. and two separate Presidents from two separate parties where able to turn it around. Why?.. they had been doing things of that nature for many years of their political life already, Obama is literally right off the Street of politics. A Jr. Senator without a single piece of legislation to his name before the Presidency... tell me... what has Obama done that gives Him, orthose who voted for him the idea that the Job he took was not way over his head and well past his ability to manage? Had He not been protected to a fault by the Liberal Media dn been taken apart like McCain-Palin were... He would not have been so fortunate. If America knew then... what they know now, about Acorn, Wright, Ayers, and his true radical Liberal political leanings ( Some knew, but He was very talented at keeping it under wraps)... Obama would have not won the Independent vote in 2008. And.. we would not be having this conversation.

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  • 10 votes
#1.67 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:28 PM EST
k-haiDeleted
Prismlady

Oh, my gosh. Another "blame it all on Bush" liberal. Obama has been in office almost a year and the problems are his. He hasn't done much of anything to get us track in any department. The world seems to be becoming disenchanted with him. He can't be doing it all right with the ratings he's getting now. Let him take some responsibility.

  • 7 votes
#1.69 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:29 PM EST
Get Real...

Dimming??? Its out ever since he has been hiding and not making any decisions...

  • 7 votes
#1.70 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:33 PM EST
ROY WILSON-336103

"Now the world’s trillions are being shipped elsewhere in search of better returns. And the hoard is no longer being counted solely in dollars."

No big surprise here. The $Dollar has lost about 7% of it's value in 3 months, and the Fed pays about 0% interest. People with money will put it where they can actually get a return on their investment, and that's NOT in the U.S.

When they stop buying our Treasury Notes, the Fed will have to start buying their own debt, and then we're off to the races with inflation.

Since George Soros made $Billions speculating in currency (betting against the $Dollar), it's no wonder he financially supports the far-left groups like MoveOn.Org and liberal Democrats who like to spend, spend, spend. By investing a few $Million in these people, he makes $Billions when the $Dollar continues to decline in value.

By the way, he also keeps his money in off-shore accounts to avoid paying taxes on the money he makes here. Letting a foreigner manipulate our politicians should be a front page story, but not with our biased media.

  • 9 votes
#1.71 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:43 PM EST
Lampell

The Republicans have spent 5 trillion dollars on wars with zero exit strategy, well no even a goal.

Obamas shift in Aghanistan is going to contribute to our fall. But never like Republicans had been doing so far. I feel he is only doing this to appease all the Republican war mongers. We all know that in the end no matter what he does, they will find fault with him and deem it insufficient.

Not that this will have any bearing on your post, but where did you come up with the figure of 5 trillion dollars? Is that number mentioned because billions are not pase? The number is less than 1 trillion, but who wants to argue over a trillion here or a trillion there. The GOP is known as the party of no, quite fashionable to say that these days, so if a Democrat suggests something and the GOP says no then whatever the Dems say it must be the right thing to do. Blaming one party or the other doesnt change much, except for diehard supporters of either silly party.

The fact that the new President has sent in more troops to Afghanistan and is about to send in 35,000 more makes it his war, as in a war of necessity, what is the point of blaming Bush or Republicans if the present policy is Obama's? Or is the premise that a bomb with a D on it is preferrable to a bomb with an R on it. YOu actually think the President is sending in troops (carefully thought out mind you) because he wants to appease Republicans, what is in it for Obama to do so?

You want to blame Republicans for all our ills, fine, but remember this, Obama was elected for hope and change and because he wasnt Bush. He asked for the job, begged for the job, was elected because in part there was a recession, he had the answers, its getting late in the game to keep harping on the previous administration. Sad thing is we now have a continuation, two bungling Presidents in a row. Mediocrity wins again.

  • 4 votes
#1.72 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:53 PM EST
Locke1632

That fact that we spent (are spending) a trillion plus dollars on a war in Iraq that had no purpose other than to line the pockets of the cleptocracy that is really running this country is obcene. The first war fought entirely on credit! we sell debt to China and OPEC and mortgage our children's future. What a moral disgrace! With the money spent on this misbegotten war, we could have funded healthcare, helped every poor soul who's lost their home in the neglect spawned financial collapse, and moved us towards leadership in the post-pretroleum economy. But, oh! no new taxes! Heaven forbid we fund something constructive when we can shed our soldiers blood for no good reason other than to improve Cheney Inc's bottom line. What a shame! And then, on top of it we blame the Obama administration, which is, sincerely trying to get us back to where we need to be after years if IBG/YBG fleecing of the American Society. No, they're not perfect, and yes, they have a near impossible task. But, this isn't entirely a problem of leadership, it's also a problem of a disengaged electorate that seems happiest when they can sit on the sidelines and "hoot and holler" over the train wreck that our society is becoming. There's enough blame to all the way around on this...

  • 2 votes
#1.73 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:20 PM EST
ED-673211

It may be a good thing to not be the center of the worlds attention right now. Look at how many latino people have left the country and with further errosion of our economy how many others will leave. The global warming thing is now in question for manipulated data, but that doesn't mean that solar and wind power are not good things to invest in because if we don't need all that oil in the Bakken reserve ( greater than all of Saudia Arabia ) in Montana, North Dakota and Canada combined with the natural gas we won't need to import because of the fields in Utah and Wyoming. The time has come that the US will become an exporter of oil products and we will be able to pay off our debt to China who will need that oil to develop their nation. Oh, that is right, that was the plan all along by big oil and I know because I knew the inner circle and when I asked about drilling records by USGS from 1932 and the oil on the Hi-Line of America, the question was why don't we drill that oil which was known and the reply was we use their's up first and then we have what we need to run the country. As for all of you who blame Bush and/or are not impressed with Obama know this, no president has control of anything that does not come through congress. And that is where the blame belongs for deregulation to taxation and health care is a front to distract the people from what is really going on in the economy, in other words, see UN protocol about everything from global warming to why we are at war with a group who only wants the power to control the people through fear of another attack, as you look deeper you will find the One World Order already exists but people would never allow that in the open because it means to many the end or armaggedon is near and panic would insue to become isolationists in not only the US but many other nations as well.

    #1.74 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:25 PM EST
    demitrix

    And why is our decline in global dominance President Obama's fault when he has been in office for less than a year? Another ridiculous article by the press who is struggling to survive.

    what is it? one year? 6 years? 8 year?

    When do you think it is acceptable to call the President an idiot?

    Apparently 51% of America thinks it is okay after 10 mnths.

    I just want to know when somone with such wisdom to point out how the President won with his massive popular vote, can now defend him when the popular vote thinks he is an idiot.

    How long do we the Majority have to accept your idiocy before we can point out your idiocy?

    • 5 votes
    #1.75 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:27 PM EST
    craig speakman

    The problem has nothing to do with Obama's star diminishing. Had McCain been elected, we would be getting asked the exact same question.

    The problem lies primarily with a nation that can no longer seem to compromise and find common ground on its issues. The parties are in all out war with each other and refuse to compromise, which will only exascerbate the problems we are now facing.

    There is no longer any sense of unified goal in doing what is right for the country, but instead this fractured quest to get what is right for me or my particular culture. Frankly, I don't care one bit about who the global leader is, I just want to live in a country where the citizens put the country's agenda before their own.

    • 5 votes
    #1.76 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:30 PM EST
    witchrunner

    No doubt the prez is smiling as he reads this article. Give it another two years and the remaining optimism of the author will have been drained also, which will sure be cause for celebration in the WH.

      #1.77 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:42 PM EST
      rdixiesunrise61

      Tell you what lets stick McCain in the office for the next year and see how he does. Whoever does the better job gets the rest of the term in office. Now that would be an interesting comparison

      Usmcvet that is a fantastic idea!

      • 1 vote
      #1.78 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:24 PM EST
      orbustDeleted
      Therese in NV

      Oh Please! You are blaming Obama's continual loss of popularity on the Republicans? Get real.... I think the real consensus overseas is President Obama talks a good game, but, he has no real substance. That is what is showing through...plain and simple. If I didn't know better, I would say he is campaigning for a better job. I hear Europe is thinking about electing a Leader for a United Europe.

      What we are seeing is people slowly opening their eyes to the reality of this President. I admire Americans, and yes, I say Americans because it wasn't just Democrats that wanted to effect change. However, there were many more qualified and experienced candidates, from several different party's, including the Democratic Party, that were overlooked by the general populace more interested in "creating history"; than choosing a credible leader. When you vote a candidate as President, due to popularity and overlook obvious inexperience and shortcomings; then this is what you get - unchecked spending, broken promises, a health care plan that is going to cost Seniors more than it is going to help; and a lack of interest from our allies. Other countries see President Obama for what he is; eloquent in stature and speech, but too inexperienced to be taken seriously. That is what is starting to show through.

      • 6 votes
      #1.80 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:25 AM EST
      Wisconsin Voter-530116

      America's image was tarnished before Obama took over, so this country's standing in the world would probably be even worse if McCain had been elected; the rest of the world wanted a change from the party of Bush. So this seems the time to reinvent America and Obama has talked about how to move forward; the stimulus package was intended to do just that.

      During earlier recessions jobs were created with public works projects; now we need to rebuild or repair infrastructure as well as look for projects and businesses that will make us less dependent on coal and oil - with jobs that don't go overseas. So instead of collecting anecdotes in Europe why aren't journalists inquiring and reporting on companies developing solar and wind technologies. The Dept. of Energy must be acquainted with a few sources. Also, Obama has visited some companies and they are mentioned on the day of the visit. Why doesn't the media give more details about what that organization is doing for it to be selected for a Presidential visit. There must be something significant that might generate the thinking of others - if we knew a bit more.

      Also in the reinventing America department it would be helpful if the media let America know about the work being done by Common Cause and other organizations to get money out of politics. The corruption of our Congress men and women because of campaign contributions has caused the rich to get richer. And elected officeholders enjoy guaranteed public welfare checks because there are few people who can afford the big, big bucks needed to run campaigns against incumbents.

      In addition, jobs that once supported middle income Americans have gone elsewhere and the redistribution of weath has meant the rich got richer while middle incomes got on the slippery slope to min. wage jobs. Once, in the '60s and '70s, people with factory or small shopkeeping jobs could support their families on their incomes. Now people are so angry, particularly since they are hit with high medical expenses and depreciated home values, about the loss of middle income jobs. They want the security they once had; they want their country back.

      Unfortunately, we hear of some people who have been unemployed for 2 years now selling blood on a regular basis for some income while the someones with too much money spend ridiculous amounts on items that once belonged to Michael Jackson or Bernie Madoff. Couldn't journalists be a bit more in touch with projects and ideas that would move us forward rather than now playing Chicken Little with their "sky is falling" observations." We should have heard more questions asked and more background on Sunni and Shia 8 years ago before we got into the dollar drain of Iraq. So let's hear that the media is also reevaluating how it can help in this very difficult recovery period. Obama can't do it without some light shed where projects are making a difference.

        #1.81 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:41 AM EST
        MotorcycleEmptiness

        Fineman seems to attribute far too much too easily to what the world thinks of Obama, frankly.

        He mentions that in Europe there is little news about "our president or our prospects, but on the selection of a new — and no longer merely symbolic — leader for a United Europe."

        Well when Obama is in Europe or does something in the near future that is of world significance it will no doubt be covered by Le Monde, Der Speigel, The Guardian etc. However, what is more newsworthy in Europe? Obama travelling to China or the selection of the first European President? Think carefully about it, folks.

        Also, Europe has been moving away from the US for a long time, arguably since the 90's. There is talk of setting up a EU army (no doubt using all our troops), and the EU GDP surpassed America before Obama took office. This is not something new, people.

        As for China, they know that you're humped. Hence why they were quite cold to Obama, because you have basically whored yourself to them while they quietly grew.

        My point is though: Stop trying to attribute blame for America's diminishing power to one guy who was inaugurated in January! It's been happening for decades. In an era of soft power diplomacy and interconnected economies, hard power is now seen as increasingly irrelevant, hence America's diminishing power. She has the best army in the world, but is there really any danger of her attacking a proper world power any time soon? Diplomacy has solved this issue for the time being.

          #1.82 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:28 AM EST
          earlinlexington

          It started in the 80's when we decided to start deregulating everything. Then in the 90's with terrible trade deals and borrowing trillions from other nations, and doing nothing at all to enforce our immigration laws. Now, neither party really cares about America enough to fall on the sword and do something that's politically unpopular to try and reverse the mistakes of the past. So it's all down hill.

          • 1 vote
          #1.83 - Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:28 AM EST
          PC-man

          Obama's light is burnt out, take off the blinders and look around. It's not just the US stock, it's US jobs, it's US housing, it's US energy, it's US savings, and credit, ALL BECAUSE OF TAX AND SPEND.

          I would love to see what McCain would have done/is doing, I guarantee we would not be in this 12 trillion dollar defecate we cannot afford to pay interest on, thus not wasting money on green scams. He wasn't my first choice but his agenda was not spreading the wealth from the business job producers and providing health care to those who don't want to work for it.

          His agenda was paying off debt with new business income tax revenue, and creating REAL energy jobs, not temporaryy government jobs.

            #1.84 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:25 PM EST
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            Gimp-774675

            He never was credible. When he was campainging he NEVER once told us what plans he had for his ideas. Now we are finding out he Never had a plan. All he wants to do is throw our great grand children's money at every problem.

            • 75 votes
            #2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:54 PM EST
            sleepy bearExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            He who? Dubya?

            • 21 votes
            #2.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:19 PM EST
            gregory -803076

            No not the last train wreck we had in office, the current disaster in charge.

            • 31 votes
            #2.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:26 PM EST
            CATHY M.-647265Restored

            If he had some freaking cooperation from the do-nothing, no ideas congress, he could get things back on the right track....it's like turning a train around in a depot, or a ship in the ocean. It cannot be done instantly. Our star has been falling for a long time. He has the guts to do what is needed, and is disrespected in a way I have never seen any President before disrespected and criticized. I haven't like any President since JFK, however, I could see their faults without trying to overthrow the government and kill somone by whipping up the tinfoil hat group. I sometimes wish he would just say "fu" to all the naysaying, do-nothings, mfers, and walk out the door. Yep, just put your shining star Palin, or maybe McCain could have done better.....oops, we would be the laughing stock bankrupt fools of the world had either been in the Presidency.

            • 19 votes
            #2.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM EST
            dcisshovelready

            I wish he would walk out the door too!!!

            • 29 votes
            #2.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:38 PM EST
            ltp

            if you think this guy has been 'disrespected and criticized' more than bush, you are out of your mind. just like w, our current white house resident deserves a lot of blame for where we are. you can't just keep blaming everyone else for his missteps. when does he inherit responsibility for the economy? i know, if things turn around in 2015 with another president you'll stand on your soap box and say 'if it wasn't for barak and what he did back in 2009...'. bs. the stuff he gets away with bc he is NOT gw bush is laughable. bush was far from perfect, but to blame every malady on him? come on. i'd love to have obama walk out the door. it would be the first step to america getting better. enough with this 'jobs saved' nonsence. or the public option that will bankrupt us. or cap and trade to further put us behind the ball economically. please leave. walk out. we'd be 'bankrupt fools' if maccain was prez? what are we now with your guy?

            • 28 votes
            #2.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM EST
            J B-980125

            Let him finish crushing our nation, it is his only experience of any kind.. There is no money because the folks with it are about to be as broke as the country. I read yesterday some dingbat had the great idea to " Tax the rich for the Afgan war" and had the support of two higher ups in the democartic cock us. These are the same rich folks that wil pay for our health care, the same group that pays over half of all the taxes collected. You can only kick a horse so many times before it throws you off.

            • 31 votes
            #2.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:48 PM EST
            Paul F

            Seriously - children electing a man-child, all of whom are more concerned with their rockstar status than experience or wisdom, exactly what did you expect.

            It is ridiculous to "blame" Obama for the decline. Is he incompetent? For sure. Is he completely ill equipped to be President? Well, Palin had more exec experience (and don't kid yourself, it matters) and I wouldn't trust her any more than I trust Obama.

            I believe America will survive this economic difficulty. I think we will survive this current liberal assault as well. Most Americans are center-right, it's clear in every poll.

            These libs have awakened most of us, and we will be heard at the ballot box. These idiots trying to take over our economy have about 4-6 months left, and then they will see the result of their efforts good or bad as they either get run over by reasonable people voting their wallets, or they will be re-elected by same.

            • 27 votes
            #2.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:48 PM EST
            TJM07

            Cathy M, please be specific, there is a huge difference between talking and walking, and so far your guy has done nothing but talk, and most of us don't like the tone of his monologue. He has done nothing but apologize to nations for behavior that saved their countries, he has no class - notice that he has not been invited back to England after dissing the Queen and the PM. He was laughed at when he requested additional troops for Afghanistan, the G20 dismissed him as a lightweight, Chavez mocked him, Iran and Korea know he's weak, he's committed blunders in every country he has gone too. Finally MSNBC is recognizing something most of us have know for several months, even the NYT is beginning to question his "decisions" and "policies".

            By the way, this is his Congress. He has thrown them under the bus, too. Which may be the only good thing that he has done even if was unintentional.

            • 28 votes
            #2.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:52 PM EST
            navalairsupport

            cathy m.647265.... obamarama placed our law makers on full alert to create a health care package. their time has been divided by this great quest.... this nations insurance industry could have been reformed instead. he going in the wrong direction.. crongress democrats shut out the rebublicans who along with those they represent were offered no say in this time wasteing episode. Mcain and palin? whe'll never know.

            • 18 votes
            #2.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:53 PM EST
            Spybear

            Cathy, how can you say Congress isn't doing anything? This president, since taking office, has been in Washington itself a very short time. He has been flying all over the globe like some rockstar and has left the country in the hands of Harry Reid and Betty Botox. Perhaps if he sat down with them and provided some leadership, things would be different. But, they are not. He is extremely niaive, arrogant, and narcissistic, thinking everyone would embrace him when he set his exhalted feet on their soil. Well, they haven't. Unfortunately, they view him as being as weak as Carter, and, therefore, have no respect for him. What we do have, however, is a first hand view of Chicago politics at its worst, and that is very hard to digest.

            • 32 votes
            #2.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:57 PM EST
            millerz

            Oh Cathy, take off the Obama-goggles so you can "see". You say "is disrespected in a way I have never seen any President before disrespected and criticized." Your way of thinking and vision are exactly what is wrong with our electoral body. NO president has been criticized or demeaned like President Bush...he didn't deserve it. You can spout all of your liberal-MSNBC talking junk you want but for 6 years this country was doing very well until the Democrats took control of congress and it has been downhill ever since....and now with this President.....OMG, it's sickening. I applaud the "idea" of health care for everyone and all the cute rainbows and pots of gold for everyone...but that's just a fairy tale.........it's not realistic in this economy. It would take ALL Americans working to support such an endeavor and in case you missed it, 1 out of 10 people in this country are out of work........

            This article cracked me up. I kept reading and thinking to myself "what, no mention of it's Bush's fault" and then right there at the bottem.........IT's BUSH"S Fault.....cracks me up.....When are the Democrats and Obama going to take credit for the last year of spending and partying and then blame Bush because they spent like a drunk sailer? It's getting old and it's time they come up with solutions and jobs, not mandates and taxes that working America can't afford.

            • 31 votes
            #2.11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:01 PM EST
            truthseeker-

            Don't forget that CONGRESS voted for the War in Iraq-that meand the DEMS. Dem. Congress voted for the Bailouts. Pelosi has been in charge since 2006, and the market was growing until she took over with her band of liars and thieves sitting in the swamp that she promised to drain. A bunch of liars and tax cheats-can you say Tim-turbo-tax-Geithner, Tom Dashle, Charlie Rangle, etc etc.

            • 32 votes
            #2.12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM EST
            rp123-1352647

            hear!hear!! my good man!! thats simply boulderdash!

            • 2 votes
            #2.13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:35 PM EST
            salem1692

            Cathy M, most here wouldn't see the truth if it slapped them in the face.

            • 7 votes
            #2.14 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:40 PM EST
            TruePatriot-445959

            Ha Ha Ha. So Dubya was credible?

            A lot of Dems voted for Bush in 2006 because of 9/11 and the Iraq War. But they would not have by 2008 had there been a third term. And between 2006 to 2008, many Republicans were unhappy with Bush too. Some left the GOP and became Independent.

            Some who remained Republican voted for Obama, along with those who became Independent. The question about Obama's star has been a daily one since he took office, mostly because it generates ratings, and in large part because it is the fantasy of conservative wing-nuts who want their members back in the fold. The Republicans who voted for Obama have defected from the Dems first and fast. That shouldn't surprise anyone. But don't count on them going back to the GOP either.

            The reality is Obama still has not been in office a full year yet. Sure, his ship has lost some steam here and even abroad. That's just the novelty wearing off. And to some extent because we are a nation of immediate gratification. We want results and we want it now.

            Getting back to my earlier post about other countries surpassing the U.S., China has a long-term view. Maybe if we and Corporate America could have a plan beyond this quarter, we would be the lender and they would be the debtor instead?

            • 11 votes
            #2.15 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:43 PM EST
            wcritiquing
              Independentbychoice wrote:

            • Is Obama's star dimming as U.S. stock drops? His celebrity is not enough to reverse an erosion of our global dominance.
            • seems to me our global dominance starting dropping about 9 years ago. this isn't a recent development.

            independent: Many times I don't agree with your post, today is an exception..

            • 4 votes
            #2.16 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:57 PM EST
            Steven B

            Hey!

            It's about dollars. Not Obama, not Bush....not Clinton or donner or blitzen.

            The fact is, our petro-driven economy is in a tailspin.

            We're so vulnerable to oil....all it takes is a good $4.00 a gallon smack to send us back on our heels. Which explains what we're experiencing now.

            Until we get used to the idea that some kind of stable energy source is required for us to function as a society, and actually do it...we will never be economically stable.

            • 5 votes
            #2.17 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:57 PM EST
            Dissappointed in MissouriDeleted
            Aggie-345886

            It always just makes me want to scream when people say it would have been worse under Palin. NOW LISTEN CLOSELY FOLKS! SHE. WASN'T. RUNNING. FOR. PRESIDENT.!!!!!

            I know, I know "A heartbeat away". Well, so is Biden (gulp).

            • 14 votes
            #2.19 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:03 PM EST
            Steve-505729

            The Star Collasped. its now a Black hole sucking everything into it and there is no escape

            • 14 votes
            #2.20 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:05 PM EST
            USARogue

            AS THE CRIB KEEPS A ROCKIN' AMERICA KEEPS DROPPIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            AND ALL OF YOU IDIOTS KEEP BLAMING BUSH OR OBAMA OR YO'MOMMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

            What a bunch of moron's. This collapse of America has been going on for decades and all you can do is remember the last 8 years of your ridiculous party inspired rhetoric. You people are incredible. This country has been in a free-fall since the NEW DEAL, then the GREAT SOCIETY, then the CRA, then NAFTA, then POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and the final straw was 9/11. We have been lied to and manipulated by a corrupt government for decades and all you can SPEW at each other is "THE LAST 8 YEARS, THE LAST 8 YEARS, THE LAST 8 YEARS"!!!!!!! Don't you realize the rug has been slowly but surely being pulled out from under you as the rest of the world has passed us by.

            In the business world of London, the talk last week was all about the money pouring into China, India, and Brazil, and to a lesser extent, Russia.

            The CRIB, China, Russia, India and Brazil. Remember them? Perhaps you remember them better by the denegrating term we all used for them, THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!!!!! All this money USED TO pour into the United States. Now we are pouring all OUR monry into them.

            AND THIS DID NOT HAPPEN IN THE LAST 8 YEARS FOR THOSE OF YOU LESS INTELLIGENT AMONG US!!!!!!!!

            Your government, Democrats and Republicans, has been orchestrating this demise for decades. Corruption, greed, lies and power have created the Armageddon we find ourselves in. The start of the New Deal opened the floodgates of an ever expanding government that has been fueled by all the other social programs and entitlements that have been added since. No one administration is to blame, even though the Bush administration did let it get out of hand and now the Obama administration is on steroids to blow any records of debt and spending out of the water. And before any of you start with the whiney, "well, Obama inherited this mess".

            BULLS**T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            HE DIDN'T INHERIT IT. HE ACCEPTED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            He campaigned on it for 2 years. This economic meltdown has been imminent for decades. The CRA was the birthplace of our housing and commercial real estate debacle. NAFTA has created that "Giant Sucking Sound" that we were all warned about. Our nations energy dependence was ignored not once but twice in the 70's with the "Energy Crisis"!!!!!! Vietnam warned us about useless political wars. The Hostage Crisis warned us about the Middle East cesspool.

            BUT, OH YEAH THE LAST 8 YEARS CAUSED IT ALL. YO'MAMMA HAD A BETTER CHANCE OF CAUSING THIS.

            Democrats AND Republicans have created this. Congress has caused this. Yeah, Yeah you can all sit here and pick out your sound bites and YouTube videos and say "see, they did it, see, see?" The blame is equally spread around but it only affects you me and our country. Our government is corrupt to the tune of a 20% approval rating for Congress yet we have the nerve to look at all the other countries and call them corrupt. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            LOOK AROUND YOU FINGER POINTING, BLAMING, WHINING BUFFOONS, WE ARE TURNING INTO A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            China laughs at our Treasury Secretary and Obama when we beg for more money for more spending and entitlements. Russia kicks us in the nuts regarding sanctions against Iran. Brazil could care less as they are discovering the massive natural resources they have to sell to the world. And India is too smart to worry about us uneducated, whining Americans as they progress in education and technology. Oh yeah, I'm sure this all happened in JUST the last 8 years.

            AMERICA, STOP BLAMING AND START CLAIMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Start claiming some of the position we once had in the world. We will NEVER be what we once were. There are OVER 7 BILLION people on this planet and growing. Other nations have learned, from us, how to become industrialized. Radical religious Jihads are being cast on us and the Western civilization. Our nation is BROKE!!!!! Our TOTAL DEBT is OVER $100 TRILLION DOLLARS. Yet our government insists on spending MORE!!!!! And your only argument is "well, the last 8 years, whine, whine, whine"!!!!!!!!!!!

            LOOK AROUND AMERICA. IS YOUR GOVERNMENT WORKING FOR YOU OR VICE VERSA????????

            IF IT ISN'T WORKING FOR YOU IT'S WORKING AGAINST YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            You and only you have the power to fix this, but you know what? You won't. You know why? Because you've got your heads so far up your a$$ about the last 8 years you can't think straight anymore.

            VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS IN 2010 AND 2012!!!!!!!!!!

            DEMAND TERM LIMITS, 2 TERMS IN THE SENATE, 4 TERMS IN THE HOUSE.!!!!

            DEMAND TRUE LINE ITEM VETO!!!!!!!!

            DEMAND TRUE SUNLIGHT BEFORE SIGNING OF 30 DAYS FOR ALL MAJOR LEGISLATION!!!

            DEMAND THE FED BE AUDITED!!!!!!!!

            AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, DEMAND YOUR POLITICIANS ADRESS THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE FACING OUR GREAT NATION.,,,,,,,

            IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            I love my country, but I fear my government and the media more and more each minute of the day.

            • 30 votes
            #2.21 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:09 PM EST
            Tired of BS-654528

            Eroding our Economic Global Dominance? What Global Dominance? Japan & China hold almost every dollar (that still has value) of OUR Money! I think we need to get over our ideas of, so called Economic Superiority, it is an illusion! We are in serious trouble America, and whining over party lines, sure in hell wont fix it either!We had better figure out what is truly important, time is running out.

            • 12 votes
            #2.22 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:11 PM EST
            finetuned1

            forget slapped in the face, we are being bound and chained by excessive taxes and big government!

            • 11 votes
            #2.23 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:13 PM EST
            wcritiquing

            oh, boy. UsaRogue:

            You appears a little bit misguided, Obama didn't start any war.

            Obama is trying to bring to trial ( unlike Bush ) 9/11 terrorist.

            George Bush almost double our national de bt and Ronald Reagan rose from 700 billions to 3 trillions.

            • 2 votes
            #2.24 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:13 PM EST
            neelyrulz8

            Here is the big problem- he was made a star by the adoring media even though he accomplished nothing as a politician. The only thing he could do well is read a teleprompter and when someone called him on his lack of experience they were demonized as racist. His election was a joke- if people actually did their homework on this guy they would have seen this. 85% of the time he voted "Present" as a Senator. The few times he did vote he was the MOST liberal member of the Senate. It shocks me that the people who won him the election- I.E. the Independents- now are surprised that he is not the centrist he portrayed himself to be. Well this Independent did his homework and knew this guy was a wolf in sheep's clothing. It seems to me that the other leaders of the world also did their homework on this guy and are now taking full advantage of his MANY shortcomings. Obama was a spray painted "Golden" boy who is nothing but a pile of #2 after all is said and done...

            • 14 votes
            #2.25 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:14 PM EST
            Hawaii2

            Why is President Obama in the photo looking off toward the right side, with the leader of the India, while America's Anthem is being played. It looks like it is "killing" him to do this.

            Observation tells me he isn't interested in what he is doing, he's bored. Perhaps Anti-American. Doesn't like the word G-d?

            What the heck is he doing as President of the United States?

            He is not focused as a President for the American people. It is obvious in this photo..

            He knows he's had "it" as President. Defeated, not liked anymore by the American people.

            • 7 votes
            #2.26 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:14 PM EST
            bobyoung-1427396

            Bad companies song shooting star comes to mind.

            Obama was an school boy
            When he met his first communist Marxist friend
            Frank Marshall Davis, I think it was
            And from there it didn't take him long
            Got himself a Communist bible and he Used to read it every night
            Now he's in a Democrat outfit
            And every thing's alright
            Don't you know?

            Obama told his Typical White Grand Mama,
            "Hey,typical white Grand Mama, I'm goin' away
            I'm Gonna hit the big time
            Gonna be the president someday"
            Typical white Grand Mama came to the door
            With a teardrop in her eye
            Obama said, "Don't cry, typical white Grand Mama,
            Just smile and wave goodbye"
            Don't you know?

            Yeah......yeah.....

            (Chorus)
            Don't you know that it is Bush's Fault
            Don't you know
            Don't you know
            Don't you know that its Bush's Fault!
            And all the world will love you just as long
            As long they think its Bush's Fault~~~

            Obama the Senator Went straight up to US president!
            Suddenly everyone loved
            To hear him speak of his communist programs
            Watchin' the world go by
            Surprisin' it goes so fast
            Obama looked around him and said,
            "Well, I made the big-time at last"
            (Chorus)
            Don't you know?
            Don't you know That it is Bush's Fault
            Don't you know?

            Its Bush's fault

            Don't you know That it is Bush's Fault!
            Don't you know?
            Don't you know that its Bush's Fault!
            And all the world will love you just as long
            as long as they think its Bush's Fault!!

            Obama was not re-elected because the economy didn't turn around it just kept getting worse and worse and all he could do was blame.
            Obama's presidency passed him by like a warm summer day
            If you listen to the wind you can still hear him say

            (chorus)
            Don't you know that is Bush's fault!
            Don't you know?
            Don't you know that its Bush's Fault!
            Don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you know
            Don't you know that its Bush's fault!!
            Don't you, don't you know that you are a shooting star

            LOL!!!!

            • 12 votes
            #2.27 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:15 PM EST
            deb m.-659959

            As Americans we seem to forget, that for the last 60 years all our politicians have been bringing us to this point in time. No one manor congressional delegate can change what has happened over that period of time. HOWEVER, if our elected officials actually listened to the mainstream of America and voted accordingly we might become a respected citizen of Planet Earth. When we keep digging the HOLE deeper, it is prudent for SOMEONE to say...PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL.

            • 6 votes
            #2.28 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:17 PM EST
            Lynn-410457

            Cathy, You are exactly right, but notice anytime anyone on here that posts anything positive about our President, the attack dogs come out in force. They want all the freedom in the world, to express their views, but when we differ and express ours, it is like oh no you don't. I could care less what they think or say, right is right, and anyone with a lick of common sense knows that anyone that would have won this election Rekooklican or Democrat, would be doing no better. We were on the very brink of financial disaster and meltdown, along with 2 wars, and then housing going, going almost gone. Yet in still, they think things of this magnitude, should be turned around in 10 months? The only problem they have is they hate Obama, no matter what he would be accomplishing or not. He will never make this criticizing mean bunch happy. They listen to those talking heads on FAUX Noise for all their ideas and information, as they are too shallow to research for themselves. Most of us libs, do not pay them any attention anymore, you cannot make them happy no matter what you do, nor can you even express your viewpoint. They are like children who want to be the center of attention all the time. I believe it is to take the attention off the real problems in America and it is their meanness, hatefulness and the use of scare tactics over and over. Keep it up, you see what your townhall meetings, teabag parties and marching got you all. This is no different.

            • 6 votes
            #2.29 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:21 PM EST
            Tired of BS-654528

            You got it USA Rouge. The problem has been in the proverbial melting pot for decades, this is a 2 party problem, as greed, and laziness has taken over Criminal Hill. The only thing that can, and might change this mess is we the people, but we had better get to it. Time is running out! Get off the 2 party line BS people, 217 years later, and they still cannot get it right, for the people! Of course, you have to actually care in the first place. And the Crooks, Republicans, and Democrats alike, do not care for us, only their power, and money!

            • 6 votes
            #2.30 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:24 PM EST
            Pat8

            Time for a revolution.

            • 5 votes
            #2.31 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:26 PM EST
            neelyrulz8

            Lynn, I don't hate Obama- I just think he's a fraud. Not too mention the fact that you libs are only 20% of the country and the rest of us are starting to turn on you fools in droves. Good luck with your faux commander in chief and your short lived majority in the House and Senate. Too bad the rest of the country isn't as stupid as you libs hoped we were, and that you aren't as smart as you pretend to be. We caught on to you frauds too quickly... lol

            • 7 votes
            #2.32 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:27 PM EST
            areo2002

            Cathy.....you're the type of liberal woman who is only good for two things....and I doubt you could make a living at either one.

            • 3 votes
            #2.33 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:31 PM EST
            Lynn-410457

            Pat, I have flagged your post, as this type of talk is exactly why people like James Von Braun and Nidal Hasan got on the Internet and then committed heinous acts. Tell me what activities you have been prevented from participating in or how your daily life has changed, since President Obama has been elected? None of you ever get on here and say what it is that has changed so drastically to make you holler revolution. Do you know what that will do to our country? If you think that revolution is your answer, you are deluded. Thousands would be killed and for what? An ideology? That sort of talk is terroristic at best.

            • 3 votes
            #2.34 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:31 PM EST
            Georgia Guy

            Did anyone, including Fineman, read the article? He CLEARLY states we are perceived abroad as being about dirty air, debt and war. Now who comes to mind? Fineman identified the culprit, Bush, then lost his train of thought. The article is not about Obama, it's about a failing nation, and I repeat for the reasons stated above. We continue to let right-wing Neanderthals divert us with FREEDOM FRIES, prayer in school, gay marriage issues,e tc. and flag waving while the country's issues continue to go unaddressed. Healthcare has become a "defeat Obama' issue at all costs. The right wing cares nothing about the nation. It cares only about proving itself right. The Republicans in Congress only want to defeat Obama, not do anything constructive. That's sick. BTW, MR. Fineman, I would remind you that it was the irresponsibiloity of people like you in the media who let Bush get away with murder(Literally),a nd who now stand by while the planet is dying. Stop and look at yourself. You might could do some good to make up for all the damage you have done. The right wing is brain dead, FOX has lobotimized all of them. SECOND MAJOT POINT I would like to make is since when did Americans start caring about what "foreigners" thinks about them? ALL the acclaim Obama had abroad was , according to McCain " a publicity stunt." Bush obviously disdained foreign opinion. All Obama's efforts to make us credible in the world at large have been pooh poohed by the right wing. Now Fineman WHINES about the conversation being about a leader whose star has fallen, again, MR. Fineman READ your own article.

            • 4 votes
            #2.35 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:33 PM EST
            neelyrulz8

            Lynn- surprising move flagging someone. Nothing like hating the 1st Amendment.

            • 6 votes
            #2.36 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:33 PM EST
            Tyrants talk too much

            Bush is the one to blame, no one can simply wave their hands and clean up the mess those years created. Obama is doing alright by me. Any to blind to know where the blame lays is as dumb as a Bush.

            • 2 votes
            #2.37 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:33 PM EST
            Lynn-410457

            Neelyruz, Your post just proves exactly what I was saying. You have the nerve to call someone a fool? Look in the mirror. Where you are getting your 20% in beyond me. It is your Rekooklicans that have only 22% of Americans that will admit to being one. You really need to get a life, and we are not going anywhere. We learned to survive during 8 long yrs of your hero W who by the way had a 26% approval rating the last 3 months of his Presidency, now that was someone you could believe and look to.

            • 1 vote
            #2.38 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:34 PM EST
            neelyrulz8

            Lynn try and follow me here. Liberals are only 20% of the political breakdown of this country. A simple internet search would tell you this. And you also show your ignorance. If you actually read my post you would see that I'm an Independent not a Republican. And exactly how is Bush my hero- yet another ignorant comment.I didn't vote for Bush, but don't let the facts stand in the way of a good argument. You are exactly why most of the country hate libs.... flag this- you are an idiot!!!!

            • 11 votes
            #2.39 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:38 PM EST
            USARogue

            wcritiquing

            ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            You appears a little bit misguided, Obama didn't start any war.

            Obama is trying to bring to trial ( unlike Bush ) 9/11 terrorist.

            George Bush almost double our national de bt and Ronald Reagan rose from 700 billions to 3 trillions.

            You my friend are EXACTLY what I am talking about. Finger pointing, blaming and your boy Obama is raping what's left of this great nation.

            See what I mean about having your head so far up your parties a$$ you can't think straight?

            • 4 votes
            #2.40 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:39 PM EST
            rodger-1311418Deleted
            ROY WILSON-336103

            "I’m not sure the rest of the world sees the White House as “the place to be” any more."

            Little wonder, after Obama spent so much of his eraly time overseas bashing America and apologizing for things we never did.

            Also, the World views Obama as such a weak leader that they look elsewhere for guidance and direction.

            • 7 votes
            #2.42 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:42 PM EST
            paulette-465827

            He is a star, at least the man can read,and write, plus he can speak, unlike the fool of the past. I just saw a replay of Bush talking about something, who knows ,OH My God.

            • 3 votes
            #2.43 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:47 PM EST
            stackedhippiechick

            Star?? More like an asteroid.

            • 5 votes
            #2.44 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:47 PM EST
            wall.al37Deleted
            wall.al37Deleted
            DavidP4660

            The man was not qualified to be president. He was voted in only because he duped some young people, and allowed Acorn to register dead, illegal and homeless people to grab the votes. His record speaks for itself. 150 days he spent in the senate seat before starting his campaign. a real qualification fro a president. the media and the left wing dopes laugh at Sarah Palin- at least she had executive experience for more than 150 days. And she has a plan for our future. Unlike Dumbo, it isn't to bankrupt the US, pay for illegals and let them suck us dry, nor is it to "go green" based on a hoax that Gore made up and duped many in the world. Now with the e-mail leaks, we now know this was all a fraud to help assist the NWO. Now, Obabma is dropping like rain in the polls. Everyone knows he can't lead, and has his cronies run the administration for him. He still can't make a decision on Afghanistan, because he's inept. I'm glad you people voted him in. It was bad enough that I voted against Bush, but I'll never vote Democrat again. Ist year in my life I switched parties because of our stupid leadership or lack thereof.

            • 6 votes
            #2.47 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:54 PM EST
            USARogue

            Lynn-410457

            We learned to survive during 8 long yrs of your hero W

            ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Another liberal baffoon living ONLY in the past 8 years. Not realizing you've been lied to for decades. But hey, your democrat leaders say it so it MUST be true right??????

            We were on the very brink of financial disaster and meltdown,

            I love this statement.

            How do you know we were on the "brink"? How do you know the economy wouldn't have corrected faster if we let the Too Big To Fail banks go? Or was it because we had such irrefutable leadership, especially about that "unemployment won't go over 8%" that followed?

            • 6 votes
            #2.48 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:08 PM EST
            DavidP4660

            Cathy, your do nothing congress is run by a democrat majority. Both Senate and House are dominantly democratic, so they don't need the republican input. The only reason they want bipartisanship is so they can't get blamed for this huge debt they created. Your party is afraid to own it all, because they will be the ones to be blamed when this collapses the economy. Nice try, though.

            • 7 votes
            #2.49 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:19 PM EST
            wcritiquing

            Relax USARogue, you like a little man should star to TAKE RESPONSABILITY OF YOUR ACTIONS and made your Conservatives leaders to do so.

            Instead, you arrogants blame in everybody else but themselves.

            • 2 votes
            #2.50 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:30 PM EST
            ROY WILSON-336103

            "Now the world’s trillions are being shipped elsewhere in search of better returns. And the hoard is no longer being counted solely in dollars."

            No big surprise here. The $Dollar has lost about 7% of it's value in 3 months, and the Fed pays about 0% interest. People with money will put it where they can actually get a return on their investment, and that's NOT in the U.S.

            When they stop buying our Treasury Notes, the Fed will have to start buying their own debt, and then we're off to the races with inflation.

            Since George Soros made $Billions speculating in currency (betting against the $Dollar), it's no wonder he financially supports the far-left groups like MoveOn.Org and liberal Democrats who like to spend, spend, spend. By investing a few $Million in these people, he makes $Billions when the $Dollar continues to decline in value.

            By the way, he also keeps his money in off-shore accounts to avoid paying taxes on the money he makes here. Letting a foreigner manipulate our politicians should be a front page story, but not with our biased media.

            • 10 votes
            #2.51 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:32 PM EST
            Diogenes--08

            Obama's star never did shine for me. You would think that with all people being laid off, our economy in the toilet (yes, I hear someone saying "Bush did it", but you must remember that even BEFOREthere was an all democrat Congress and Senate Majority, dems voted for the war and for the $ for it. So enough Bush bashing! If we were in this critical state, Bush would not have splurged money for weekend garden parties, state dinners for 340 people. Obama and Michelle are so pompous and smug, it would be nice if they cared a little more about Americans instead of spending us into never ending equalisim.

            • 4 votes
            #2.52 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:40 PM EST
            LMarcT

            CATHY M.-647265

            If he had some freaking cooperation from the do-nothing, no ideas congress, he could get things back on the right track....it's like turning a train around in a depot, or a ship in the ocean. It cannot be done instantly. Our star has been falling for a long time. He has the guts to do what is needed, and is disrespected in a way I have never seen any President before disrespected and criticized. I haven't like any President since JFK, however, I could see their faults without trying to overthrow the government and kill somone by whipping up the tinfoil hat group. I sometimes wish he would just say "fu" to all the naysaying, do-nothings, mfers, and walk out the door. Yep, just put your shining star Palin, or maybe McCain could have done better.....oops, we would be the laughing stock bankrupt fools of the world had either been in the Presidency.

            Agreed.

            There are just too many f'ing liars here to even address... so I'll just agree with Cathy and be done with it.

            • 1 vote
            #2.53 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:47 PM EST
            USARogue

            wcritiquing

            ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Again, spoken as a true Liberal air head.

            You have NO idea what my politic is. But as soon as anyone questions your "parties" leader you start with the hate mongering and blame game. Typical Liberal agenda, just like the Conservatives

            Now chew on that.

            • 3 votes
            #2.54 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:47 PM EST
            Indepvoter

            We spend hours fighting over healthcare, two party systems and what news channel we watch, while "Our Trusted Leaders" send our money to the "too big to fail', corporations. Fight and fund wars, and tell us that being largely up to our ears in debt is no big deal.

            We continue to expand government services when it is extremely obvious we can't afford the ones we have.

            What goes up must come down, we are on our way down... Just by reading the comments above it is obvious

            The question isn't are we going to take a hit regarding International Status, the question is, how far and how fast will we fall.

            Every Empire eventually fails, every great nation eventually is defeated. Nobody gets to win forever.

            Be kind to people from China!

            • 2 votes
            #2.55 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:56 PM EST
            PanhandleMike

            Excellent job, bobyoung (#2.27) Pretty much tells Mr O's story.

            • 1 vote
            #2.56 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:04 PM EST
            Robert-654077

            It is truely incredible, I did not think there was so many Idiots in this country, EVERYONE who voted for Obomba are a Idiot, EVERYONE. If a person could read, or hear would have known what kind of person he was, it did not take a A+ IQ to reason this guy out, he is Distroying this country, but that was evident way before the voting started.

            • 2 votes
            #2.57 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:05 PM EST
            LMarcT

            USARogue

            Hey USAWolf! You're back? Where've you been? We kinda missed AAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL TTHEEEEEEEEEEE YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,

            and thoughtful posts! lol.

            I see your opinions haven't changed much!

            • 1 vote
            #2.58 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:05 PM EST
            Dr Bellamy

            As far as this subject matters; it is our elected President who is making derogatory statements regarding our great nation. That very act undermines the respect and determination America has fought to share and extend to the world.

            Shame on you Mr. President and family.

            We, as a people, expected more from you.

            You sit in the Presidents chair, act like one, NEVER bow to anyone and NEVER put down our great nation!

            • 6 votes
            #2.59 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:11 PM EST
            LMarcT

            Roy Wilson,

            Hey Roy, I just saw a program on NPR yesterday where the economist was recommending a second stimulus or WPA style bill to pump up the economy because "the Fed knows how to deal with deficits and inflation but aren't very good with stagnation and deflation"...

            Your thoughts?

            • 1 vote
            #2.60 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:14 PM EST
            wcritiquing

            lol......you are hysterical, little man.

            Since 9/11 attackers WERE FROM SAUDI ARABIA, our attack on Iraq MADE US LOOK retarded . Instead, Junior put The Bin Laden Family on private jet to fly home while all US Airspace was closed.

            The change many Americans ( I cannot include you ) and most citizen of the world WANT US TO correct such a Gigantic mistake ( Iraq Invasion).

            Then along came the Madoff Scam and the Bailout to the Rich ( aka the Banks ).

            Do you will trust on us ?

            Then came the shift on Afganistan. Obama did his part, We saw how our troops went to Afghanistan.

            Afghanistan ....mmmnk hmmm....for some reason what comes to my mind is Charlie Wilson, the democrat from Texas who armed the insurgency against "The Red Army". I am not sure if this was a good strategy or not and if it contributed to breaking the communist block.

            DO you think the US will meet the same fate as Russia? The Republicans have spent 5 trillion dollars on wars with zero exit strategy, well no even a goal.

            Obamas shift in Aghanistan is going to contribute to our fall. But never like Republicans had been doing so far. I feel he is only doing this to appease all the Republican war mongers. We all know that in the end no matter what he does, they will find fault with him and deem it insufficient.

            Chew on that.

            • 3 votes
            #2.61 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:15 PM EST
            Valhalla Phil

            Remember the good old days under Bush and the republicans when the dow was 14,000+, unemployment was 4.6%, and people thought they had a future? Then the democrats took over congress in 2007 and everything has been down hill ever since.

            I wonder how many people know that both Fanny and Freddy that triggered the collapse were both run by liberal democrats and Obama supporters. Democrats triggered the collapse and are using it to transform this country in to a socialist state.

            From the actions and threats from both Obama and democrat congressmen, it could easily be transitioned into a fascist state. With attacks on private business and threats of criminal prosecution like Humana to threats to Fox News and AP, to asking people to turn in names of opponents, this is the most fascist administration in our history.

            • 7 votes
            #2.62 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:17 PM EST
            tony-268769

            GIMP....

            The reason Mr. Obama "never told us his plans for his ideas" is because he never had any "plans".....just "ideas".

            • 4 votes
            #2.63 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:54 PM EST
            demitrix

            If he had some freaking cooperation from the do-nothing, no ideas congress, he could get things back on the right track...

            Guess what, being President is getting what you want from conrgress.

            Remember Bush, the one you fear? He got two wars.

            This President has gottent 1trillion in debt and 48% approval.

            Starting to think Yale is better than Harvard.

              #2.64 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:31 PM EST
              Locke1632

              Come on. This guy and his Administration are the most competent that we've seen in a long time. They are putting in place correct policies and position on many fronts They have approached the intractable foreign policy problems with a remarkable amount of sophication. The economy is a structural issue based on huge regulatory and policy mistakes over decades. Made worse by the systemetic rip-off over the past 8 years. The way the economy was managed lined the pockets of a few and many of our enemies, while sticking us and future generations with the bill. The reason why the jobs growth hasn't picked up is that many non-administrative (i.e. manufacturing) jobs have been shipped overseas and the precipitous collapse of credit caused companies that caused a drop in demand for U.S based goods and services resulting in a rapid shedding of discretionary jobs that will be slow to come back. The Obama Admin. did exactly the right things to reduce the impact of this. But, there isn't a magic potion here.

              • 2 votes
              #2.65 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:34 PM EST
              demitrix

              If he had some freaking cooperation from the do-nothing, no ideas congress, he could get things back on the right track....

              Cathy, you realize that his do nothing, no ideas Congress is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

              Imagine the horror Bush would have led us to with a REPUPUBLICAN SUPER MAJORITY.

              You do realize that President Obama can do whatever he wants since the Republican Party cannot stop it?

              You do realize that Bush had to have the Democratic Party help him to pass legislation?

              • 4 votes
              #2.66 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:19 PM EST
              USARogue

              LmarcT

              LMAO!

              I've been here but I was disgused as a Liberal.

              But I kept getting this nasty rash and the hives wheneve I tried to tell the truth.

              So, for obvious personal reasons I had to go back to my party where the truth doesn't have such bad allergic side effects.

              • 1 vote
              #2.67 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:59 PM EST
              Hawaii2

              Russ:

              Please do not feel there will never be another Black President in the White House. We have many honored Black Politicians, Condoleeza Rice, Gen. Colin Powell, Black Mayors and Governors of US States. They have outstanding Political careers.

              The Majority of people who voted for Obama, voted for him because they thought he was qualified as Presidential material. That's what he told us.

              It doesn't matter whether the next upcoming President is Purple. Today, people's minds are open to getting what they thought they asked for during a campaign election.. He did not come through, just as some of the past Presidents who were Caucasian.

              It is the Media who pumped O up, and made naive people think this was the best choice. Some, yes, did vote for him because he was Black, but then they also thought he could do the job. Most didn't like the fact he got people who never voted to be bussed in and make them fill out a ballot. There was fraud in voting, many names over and over again on different ballots..

              I just didn't like the people he surrounded himself with before the Presidency, nor did I think he had enough experience.

              From this experience, the Majority of people will be more open eyed and pay attention to what the qualifications of a President should be. Not just a Harvard degree, and community service. It takes years to be a seasoned Politician. What is the candiidate's record for voting. Is he prepared to "push" the nuclear button if necessary. Is he ready to be strong, direct, and tell a Leader, "no chance" in h-----are we going to stand for this c-------------p---Obama just can't do that. He is too worried about his image, and people not liking that; There is no respect for a weak person holding the office of the US Presidency---his thoughts came back to bite him. It didn't work.

              All Politicians, Presidents, have their challenges.

              • 2 votes
              #2.68 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:24 AM EST
              HMM-360962

              wall.al37@yahoo.com I saw the video that you're referring to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddQvhdCyhe4

              I also checked out the guy that did it and you really shouldn't be fooled by this Youtube video. This man is a conservative that couldn't even get voted into office by the British because they don't even take him seriously. He's NOT an expert on global warming...his degrees are in literature and journalism. Don't believe everything you read and hear on the internet.

                #2.69 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:19 PM EST
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                mickeymat

                Fineman is so dense, he does not consider the connection between Obama dissing his country and working hard to destroy it and its subsequent decline. Why bother to read this dribble?

                  Reply#3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:01 PM EST
                  Steve-463517

                  Why do we Americans have this zenophobic feeling that we always must be the dominant nation over all others. Our goal has always been to spread democracy and India is a nation who shares our ideals. What is the problem, people of the world still see us as "that shining hope for mankind" Why do some believe that evry nation must be subservient to the US?

                  And as for the"cretans" who criticize the President for bowing to the emperor of Japan. That is common courtesy in Japan. It is like shaking hands in our country. Ignorance is bliss for the uninformed.

                  • 14 votes
                  #4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:02 PM EST
                  DaveM-877764

                  He also bowed to the Saudi King as well. A sign of subsurvience.

                  • 28 votes
                  #4.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:10 PM EST
                  DJ-867199Deleted
                  314159

                  This joker has done as much, if not more, to diminish America globally as Carter did way back in the 70's...

                  • 14 votes
                  #4.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:37 PM EST
                  Robert-301053

                  Steve, you are the one whom is misinformed. Our Constitution states," That all men are created equal" The bow was never implemented by any president before because of our constitution, the emperor and the president are equals, the bow was a sign of subservience if you will. And to prove it to that end, obama bowed to the king of saudia arabia also, or did you conveniently forget that instance, because it is not the arabic custom.

                  • 14 votes
                  #4.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:48 PM EST
                  jay vinton

                  Our nation was founded on the principal of equality, that's what left us to leave England in the first place, religious freedom and equality. NO American president has ever considered it protocol to bow in subservience to a monarch, and with proper reason, it's basically, if you meet us, you meet us as free men and we will not bow to monarchy or despots.. Apparently Obama doesn't see the problem.

                  • 11 votes
                  #4.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:02 PM EST
                  mississippi librarian-939114

                  Most US citizens don't realize that we are no longer at the top of the food chain. Power now equates to money, economy. The Euro is outpacing the dollar for a long time now, and countries like China, Japan, own a significant part of real estate and banking interests in the US. While we were beating our chests, they were quietly picking up pieces of real estate and stock in US companies - now I ask you where is the real dominance?

                  • 5 votes
                  #4.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:44 PM EST
                  Dissappointed in MissouriDeleted
                  Lynn-410457

                  And we better revert to bowing, instead of this hand shaking as that spreads all kind of germs. Donald Trump, who is a smart man, said about 2 yrs ago, he doesn't shake hands anymore, but nods or bows as do the JAPANESE and he has remained cold and flu free. Some of us ought to take his advice.

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:23 PM EST
                  Tired of BS-654528

                  Yep, good old Donald Trump, build an empire, then bankrupt it, then start another one, bankrupt it, then start yet another, last time I read up on him, he was planning to bankrupt one of his ripoff projects. Nice to see who inspires your thinking Lynn. He is one of the types of people directly responsible for our Economic Meltdown, Donald Trump needs to be deported to China!

                  • 4 votes
                  #4.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:28 PM EST
                  Lynn-410457

                  Tired of BS, Obviously you are not, as that post, is one of the silliest I have read on here. You don't like what someone says, so lets deport him to China? He doesn't inspire my thinking, I was only telling you goofballs, that was what he said. Go ahead and shake hands, feet whatever, it is no skin off my nose. I could care less, nor do I lose sleep over what 99.9% of any of you do. This is a board, get it people talk, it is not a life and death deal.

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:39 PM EST
                  Lynn-410457

                  These people crack me up!!!!!!! All they can holler is I am an independent. Well whoopee. An independent cannot even vote in primaries in my state to get their candidates on the ballot. That is a real smart thing to be. You are not independents, an independent listens to issues and goes with the person according to the issues. You all go with the hate, meanness and scare tactics. You get so bent out of shape, if we challenge you or don't agree, that your attack side just surges forth. Surge on, losers, that is what this is about anyway. You lost in November 2008, and you still are whining and sulking.

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:45 PM EST
                  Tired of BS-654528

                  Goofball. I like you Lynn, you show your name calling liberalised ways :) And Lynn whos the goofball? You can get an Independent on the ballot for POTUS, also there are MANY other parties that can put a POTUS on the ballot, I think your the real goofball here, stick to your 2 party ideals, it shows how simple minded you really are. Here's a list for you all! There are other choices America, stop following the 2 party system blindly, they want it to stay that way, so NOTHING can change! BTW, Lynn I cant stand the Restupidcans, as much as the Dumbocraps, I know they are responsible for our Nations mess, when will you figure that out?

                  Current major parties

                  • Democratic Party (1792 historic, 1828 modern) Oh, hell NO!
                  • Republican Party (1854) Once again, Oh, hell NO!

                  [edit] Other parties in contention for presidential electoral college majority

                  In order for a party's nominee to have the possibility of becoming president by majority vote of the electoral college (as opposed to by decision of the United States House of Representatives after an electoral majority has failed to be reached), they must be on the ballot in states whose collective electoral vote total is at least half of the Electoral-College votes. In addition to the two main parties listed above, three additional parties met this criterion in the 2008 Presidential Election.

                  • Libertarian Party (1971)
                  • Constitution Party (1992)
                  • Green Party (1996)

                  [edit] Other parties that have nominated candidates in recent elections

                  These parties have offered candidates in recent elections, but did not have ballot status in enough states in 2008 to win the presidency by majority of the electoral collegea. Some do not have presidential candidates, and only field candidates for Congressional and/or state-level offices.

                  This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completion. You can help by expanding it with sourced additions.
                  • American Party (1968)
                  • America First Party (2008)
                  • Boston Tea Party (2006)
                  • Independence Party of America (2007)
                  • Moderate Party (2006)
                  • Modern Whig Party (2007)
                  • Marijuana Party (2002)
                  • Objectivist Party (2008)
                  • Party for Socialism and Liberation (2004)
                  • Peace and Freedom Party (1967) - active primarily in California
                  • Prohibition Party (1867)
                  • Reform Party of the United States of America (1995) - not to be confused with an offshoot of the party, the American Reform Party (below)
                  • Socialist Equality Party (2008)
                  • Socialist Party USA (1973) - originally founded in 1901 as the Socialist Party of America
                  • Socialist Workers Party (1938)
                  • Unity Party of America (2004)
                  • Workers World Party (1959)
                  • Working Families Party (1998)

                  ^a The 2008 presidential ticket of the Socialist Party USA was qualified in enough states to win the electoral college through a combination of state ballot qualifications and official write-in status.[1]

                  [edit] Other parties that have not nominated candidates in recent elections

                  Some of these parties have nominated candidates in the past, but have not done so recently for various reasons. Others have not yet nominated any candidates.

                  This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completion. You can help by expanding it with sourced additions.
                  • 9-12 Party (2009)
                  • American 3rd Party (1990's)
                  • American Free Enterprise Party (2009)
                  • American Conservative Party (2008)
                  • American Heritage Party (2000)
                  • American Patriot Party (2003)
                  • American Nazi Party (1964)[1]
                  • American Reform Party (1997)
                  • Center Party of the United States (2009)
                  • Christian Socialist Party USA (2006)
                  • Communist Party USA (1919)
                  • Conservative Party USA (2008)
                  • Democratic Socialists of America
                  • Freedom Road Socialist Organization (1986) (two factions using same name)
                  • Freedom Socialist Party (1966)
                  • Independent American Party (1998)
                  • Jefferson Republican Party (2006)
                  • Labor Party (1995)
                  • Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (1997)
                  • Modern Whig Party (2008)
                  • National Socialist Movement (1974)
                  • New American Independent Party (2004)
                  • New Union Party (1974)
                  • Pirate Party of the United States (2006)
                  • Populist Party of America (2002)
                  • Progressive Labor Party (1961)
                  • Revolutionary Communist Party, USA (1975)
                  • Socialist Action (1983)
                  • Socialist Alternative (1986)
                  • Socialist Labor Party (1876)
                  • Unity08 (2006)
                  • Workers Party, USA
                  • World Socialist Party of the United States (1916)

                  [edit] Regional parties

                  Few, if any, of these parties have nominated presidential candidates. The years are when they were founded.

                  This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completion. You can help by expanding it with sourced additions.
                  • Alaskan Independence Party (1984)
                  • Aloha Aina Party
                  • American Independent Party (1968) - the California affiliate of the Constitution Party
                  • Blue Enigma Party (Delaware) (2006)
                  • Charter Party of Cincinnati, Ohio (1924)
                  • Connecticut for Lieberman Party (2006)
                  • Conservative Party of New York (1962)
                  • Covenant Party (Northern Mariana Islands)
                  • Independent Green Party of Virginia
                  • Independent Citizens Movement (US Virgin Islands)
                  • Independent Party of Oregon (2007)
                  • Liberal Party of Minnesota
                  • Liberal Party of New York (1944)
                  • Liberty Union Party (Vermont) (1970)
                  • Marijuana Reform Party (New York) (1997)
                  • Moderate Party of Rhode Island (2009)
                  • NCCL-DWCMP (Middle West WI MN ND IA MI) (1990/1995/1998)
                  • New Jersey Conservative Party (1992)
                  • New Progressive Party of Puerto Rico (1967)
                  • New York State Right to Life Party (1970)
                  • Personal Choice Party (Utah) (1997)
                  • Popular Democratic Party of Puerto Rico (1938)
                  • Populist Party of Maryland (Nader 2004 - affiliated, unrelated to earlier so-named parties)
                  • Progressive Dane - Dane County, Wisconsin (1992)
                  • Puerto Rican Independence Party (1946)
                  • Republican Moderate Party of Alaska (1986)
                  • Southern Party (1999)
                  • United Citizens Party (South Carolina) (1969)
                  • Vermont Progressive Party (1999)
                  • 3 votes
                  #4.12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:55 PM EST
                  DavidP4660

                  Wrong. The Japanese criticised him for his famous bow (actually he was checking out his crotch in the process). That wasn't how one greets a Japanese dignitary. Neither is patting the Queen on the back. the man knows no protocol when it comes to world leaders, except that he thinks his shi. doesn't stink. Well it does. The man is clueless, as is his Speaker and Senate Majority leader.

                  • 9 votes
                  #4.13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:59 PM EST
                  wall.al37Deleted
                  Thomas-1080853

                  Wow! Lot's of bantering back and forth. When are we going to grow some - and bring this country back to where it needs to be? Everyone needs to have one voice.

                  • It's okay to say the Pledge of Allegiance in our schools, and if "One Nation under GOD" upsets you - then leave - we'll try not to miss you too much.
                  • In American - we speak English as our main language. It's not our responsibility to make sure there are signs in your native language, so learn it.
                  • For all you importing countries - oil included - the price of a bushel of grain is now the same price as a barrel of oil. Either drop your prices or starve to death - the choice is yours.
                  • For every country that imports to the US - there is now an import tax on all products that will be totally donated to Social Security and an Insurance fund that will provide health insurance for those who do not have it.
                  • There will be a mandatory line item veto - no more free rides for bills that piggy back on the value of something important. If it can't stand on it's own - we don't need it.
                  • Every elected official will have the same insurance coverage as the American Public. We are all in the same boat.
                  • If you are here illegally - then you will be collected, and sent back to your country. There are ways that we have provided for you to apply to this country to become a legal citizen. You will either live by our rules - or... if you continue to break our rules - we will put you work in this country for free. You won't earn any money - and the money we save by the work you will do - will go into a fund to help small business survive, and provide jobs for our legal citizens.
                  • As for Terrorism - if you are trying to hurt this country or it's citizens - we will use what ever measures we want in order to get information out of you, including water boarding, electrical shock - or whatever. Those of you that believe this is inhumane - than I suggest you pick up a gun - and go fight these idiots for awhile before you start passing judgment on what you know nothing about.
                  • The American public will be kept appraised of every elected officials response and vote regarding policy. If your elected official is not representing the majority - then fire them, and the loosing opponent who came in next will take over.
                  • There are no more special interest groups - you either become the voice of the majority - or spend your time changing the opinion of the majority. I don't care what you think is important and how much money you have - if it's not what everyone else wants - you get nothing. So get out of everyone's face.
                  • We have segregated this country about as far as we can. This is America, and we are all Americans - regardless of race, ethnicity, religious belief, or sexual preference. Discrimination will not be tolerated for any reason other than for protection of our way of life, citizens, and our Freedoms. So if you happen to be trying to destroy our way of life, and we get a little uppity about it, and you happen to be a Muslim - you'll just have to understand that being inconvenienced by investigations or security measure is to protect you as well.
                  • We may have made mistakes in the past regarding other countries - and if so - we apologize - but those times are over - and it's time to get on with things. If you don't like America and we are the "Evil One" - then leave us alone - and we will leave you alone.
                  • We are not signing any contractual agreements with any nation regarding our carbon footprint. We grew out of the industrial age, and now the rest of the world is just catching up to where we were. The technology that exist today was not available when we were going through that stage of our growth - so let's be considerate of the earth - and if you cant' - you won't sell any of your items in our country. Is that clear enough? This - by the way is the next thing that Obama is going to be signing - and if he does - this will financially kill American as you know it.
                  • The Federal Tax system will be restructured and the tax rate recalculate and the Federal Reserve will be audited on a continual basis.
                  • Taxes will be across the board for everyone - there will not be taxes on individual items - that is taxation without representation - and that will come to an end, period.
                  • One last item before I go - Political Correctness is a nice way of saying something that everyone else is laughing about. If you can't handle the heat - get out of the kitchen. No more kid gloves - call it like you see it, and if someone doesn't like it - tough

                  I'm sure there are more items to be considered - but find someone who believes like this, and then vote them into office. Then you will have America back on the brink being a world leader and not some second rate country waiting to go bankrupt with an idiot holding the office of President.

                  • 9 votes
                  #4.15 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:16 PM EST
                  DavidP4660

                  Hey Lynn, he who laughs last laughs best. Wait until next year and 2012. say bye bye to Timmy and POTUS (they are one in the same, like Jeckyl and Hyde)

                  • 4 votes
                  #4.16 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:22 PM EST
                  Chargerguy

                  Dave

                  amazes me your still spreading the LIE GW "bowed to the Saudi King"....I have seen the video GW is lowering his head so the King can put something around his neck..

                  amazing the LIES required to spread the LIBERAL line

                  • 5 votes
                  #4.17 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:30 PM EST
                  Brad O'Neill

                  America's star began to fade as soon as we began resenting the rich instead of emulating them. When America stopped asking what can I do for my country and started asking what can my country do for me America began its decline. When the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi considers every child born something to be supported instead of someone to make us greater we began to fade.

                  The secret to America's success has been that its people are allowed to flourish. When we changed our principles from personal responsibility to social responsibility we began to destroy that which made us different. The sad thing is our poor are better off than most other countries middle class. There is no lack of resources in this country instead there is a lack of heart. When will we get up and create something? when will we say enough is enough with the environmental laws that restrict our ability to create jobs. When will we say enough of telling people who want to work they aren't welcome in our country? When will we realize that the only way America can rise is if its people are allowed to be free and flourish. The dirty little secret is the poor aren't poor because there is no opportunity they are poor because they believe it is better to get by than to get up.

                  • 6 votes
                  #4.18 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:32 PM EST
                  wall.al37Deleted
                  Lynn-410457

                  TiredofBS, Yawn, are you done with your tirade that nobody has time nor an interest to read?

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.20 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:41 PM EST
                  pjam09

                  Wow, brilliant rebuttle Lynn. I think you should stick with Twitter, maybe you'll be able to get through 140 characters typed by a 13 year old.

                  • 4 votes
                  #4.21 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:39 PM EST
                  Suzi Laughlin

                  I think you have Lynn confused with Palin...Palin is the twitter freak. Lynn is right...no one gives a tinker's damn what TiredofBS"s "daddy" said.

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.22 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:55 AM EST
                  Suzi Laughlin

                  Chargerguy

                  You're right, Dubya didn't bow to the Saudi king, he kissed him and walked hand in hand with him. Ewwwwwwwwww!

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.23 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:59 AM EST
                  Reply
                  Chargerguy

                  according to liberals and dems his smple existance was supposed to change the world and improve our standing

                  the way he was PUNKED on his recent trip to asia shows the STUPIDITY of this thinking.

                  China and Japanese could care less about how much money he raised on the internet to get elected or the the fact he is first black president

                  This is what happens when you elect some one with ZERO LEADERSHIP or FOREIGN POLICY or ECONOMIC experience as prez.

                  Japanese and Chinese and Arabs may not have liked GW...but they feared him and respected him

                  being FEARED and RESPECTED much better then being "liked" on the world stage

                  Bill clinton was LIKED world wide....and after 8 years clinton being liked meant for little to the USA...

                  "

                  • 38 votes
                  #5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:05 PM EST
                  pygme1

                  They did not fear and respect him. They hated him.

                  • 10 votes
                  #5.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:30 PM EST
                  jke911

                  You don't respect people you fear. Why don't you go to college?

                  • 7 votes
                  #5.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM EST
                  Mixman34

                  They ABSOLUTELY feared and respected Bush. Not the same respect as you might give your father, rather, more like a respect you might show an officer of the law.

                  No one RESPECTS this man except the sheeple who listened to the hopey changey thing touted by the media. And MAYBE his wife. But Im not so sure.

                  • 18 votes
                  #5.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:51 PM EST
                  Chargerguy

                  Jke.

                  yes you do

                  sorry the Foreign policy is not a high school election or American IDOL none of the WORLD LEADERS give a damn about how "cool" obama is.

                  and we are seeing the result of this

                  • 12 votes
                  #5.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:53 PM EST
                  mississippi librarian-939114

                  I guess fear and respect will get you a shoe up side your head!

                  • 4 votes
                  #5.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:40 PM EST
                  nocash4clunker

                  Chargerguy you hit the nail on the head.

                  Obama is the country's elected American Idol winner. We are in big trouble.

                  • 8 votes
                  #5.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:44 PM EST
                  mississippi librarian-939114

                  It is unfortunate that you feel that way!

                  • 3 votes
                  #5.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:46 PM EST
                  DaveM-877764

                  And if they think you are a joke they send a nuke instead.

                  I will take the shoe anyday!!!

                  • 5 votes
                  #5.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:56 PM EST
                  Dissappointed in MissouriDeleted
                  K. in CA

                  Yes his star is dimming, actually it's already burned out. Hopefully it will fade away and never return.

                  • 8 votes
                  #5.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:10 PM EST
                  Tired of BS-654528

                  Star? He never shined in my eyes. Well, nor do any of the other party pukes. Hope and Change, I hope we the people will change our 2 party mentality! That would be a great start!

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:31 PM EST
                  Just_Another_SheepDeleted
                  DavidP4660

                  They absolutely feared Bush and respected him. The rest of the world laughs at this jokster and countries like N Korea keep jabbing him in the as. , just like Iran. He has made the US laughing stocks of the world.

                  • 5 votes
                  #5.13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:02 PM EST
                  K. in CA

                  Yes and it's like he's doing it INTENTIONALLY. How could a president of the U.S. make that many faux pas, mistakes and judgement errors accidentally? It's like he's trying to sabotage our reputation.

                  • 3 votes
                  #5.14 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:07 PM EST
                  Suzi Laughlin

                  K. in CA

                  And you are the judge of foreign relations how? You are versed in protocol....how? Can you see Russia from your porch, too?

                  • 1 vote
                  #5.15 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:04 AM EST
                  peggy/florida

                  hey suzi who said that?

                  Can you see Russia from your porch, too?

                  actually it was tina fey on snl.

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.16 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:02 AM EST
                  Reply
                  titch in NO

                  It's the democratic sell off. OB is just continuing the work started by Billy Bob and Jimmy as they turn us into a third rate sad socialist country.

                  • 28 votes
                  Reply#6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:07 PM EST
                  scotty-1422764

                  Oh, when will this stop? Military is being neutered, common sense is dead, politicians call their constituents uneducated, stimulus ineffective, banks still ripping us off.......

                  • 29 votes
                  Reply#7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:09 PM EST
                  Chargerguy

                  Feared and respected or liked?

                  whats more important on the world stage?

                  • 11 votes
                  #8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:13 PM EST
                  jonas-307607

                  Obama Jones will be having a Kool-aid party on the White House Lawn. All American citizens are invited. For those not in attendance, your created jobs will be available.

                  The elected officials in Washington have forgotten they work for the American people. It does not matter on party affiliation, we NEED to send a message. Vote all of the incumbents out in the next 2 elections. MAYBE they will get a hint that we are ticked off.

                  • 15 votes
                  #8.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:38 PM EST
                  standingwave

                  For the US to be a superpower it has to be liked.Our intentions too must be trusted.To say our position is strictly based on our military is short-sighted and one-dimensional.It was a delicate balance and Bush,with his pre-emptive strikes,blew it out of the water.That,plus a lack of trust in our whole financial system,has put us in the position of decline we are currently experiencing.When Bush said "we'll go it alone"he might as well have been writing our epitaph.

                  • 4 votes
                  #8.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:50 PM EST
                  Chargerguy

                  Standing awe..

                  what did 8 years of clinton being liked Gain the USA?

                  he left officer with AL queda at zenith of its power, Nkorea working on nukes, Iran working on nukes, Saddam still in power and his trade policy made China an economic power....

                  BTW when did bush go it alone?

                  40,000 British troops invaded Iraq with the USA.... guess thats going it alone?

                  major Issue with Bush and Nkorea..was Bush insistance on MULTI LATERAL talks with North Korea that including S kora and Japan when dealing with nkorea....North koreans wanted unilateral talks with the USA

                  Afghanistan was approved by NATO as an official nato mission..

                  no where did GW go it alone..

                  • 9 votes
                  #8.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:57 PM EST
                  millerz

                  Chargerguy: I don't believe your clear, precise response will be well received. It's accurate, but that's not what these blind mice are used to.......

                  • 7 votes
                  #8.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:09 PM EST
                  Duffy B-265890

                  jonas not just vote them out but take their retirement away as well!

                  • 5 votes
                  #8.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:11 PM EST
                  mississippi librarian-939114

                  Jonas, I suspect you are the first registered and certified ass to participate in this discussion! Those comments show a lack of education and your choice of words leaves something to be desired.

                  • 2 votes
                  #8.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:50 PM EST
                  Tired of BS-654528

                  titch in NO

                  It's the democratic sell off. OB is just continuing the work started by Billy Bob and Jimmy as they turn us into a third rate sad socialist country.

                  Your wrong. BOTH Parties are totally responsible for our economic woes. NAFTA, well Billy Bob pushed it, but, the Republicans made it happen. Just like this health scare Oblahblah wants so bad, the Republicans gave the votes needed to keep it going. Grow up, they are in bed together, and that's just the way it is!I'm praying the American people will wake up and see past the old, "smoke and mirrors" that D.C. has been using for many decades!

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:34 PM EST
                  Lynn-410457

                  Tired of BS, Your socialist cries are going the way of the teabag parties, townhall disruptions, birthers, and marches. If you all would actually come up with something that was true and mattered to many Americans, they might listen. Until then, keep on moving.....

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:49 PM EST
                  Tired of BS-654528

                  Do you need me to post the links to the fact the Republicans pushed the votes to get NAFTA Passed, and the FACT Billy Bob had a direct hand in writing that bill? Or the fact (2 days ago) the Republican party helped to keep the health scare bill alive? You have no idea what your talking about then, now do you? I suggest you learn to read! I think you should move on, you show how little you know! Just let me know, and I will be glad to post the links(the educated people already know about), and I will get them for you, since it appears your not capable of doing any research!

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:03 PM EST
                  Chargerguy

                  Bill clinton was huge supporter of NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and most favored nation trade status for china

                  CLinton changed 25 years of Bipartisan policy which has always been for china to gain access to our markets, china had to improve HUMAN RIGHTS for its people.

                  CLinton DELINKED human rights from TRADE with china

                  and pretty much sold the country out to Large Corporations and CHINESE MONEY

                  I only wish all the DEMS and LIBERALS who supported CLINTON trade policies but now whine about open markets and nafta etc had the intellectual courage to say "pat Buchanan was correct"

                  because it was US hard core right wingers who spoke out against Clinton trade policies and were called "Protectionists" and "xenophobes"and it was DEMS/Liberals/Moderate republican who voted for them

                  • 3 votes
                  #8.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:27 PM EST
                  ?-1488899

                  mississippi librarian-939114,

                  Why is it that when people dislike an argument or for that matter what someone says, they belittle the person instead of the argument?

                  Before you make fun of my education I am from West Virginia ( you know the state beside Virginia ) and I think our education is just about at the same level........ Dead last in the NATION!

                  • 3 votes
                  #8.11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:51 PM EST
                  standingwave

                  Wow Charger,didn't take long to forget that the Clinton years were some of the most prosperous in American history.Nor do you seem to remember that China had most favored status since 1980 despite it's human rights record.Bush Sr. actually vetoed a bill to limit rights based status reduction.And Nafta?Like father like son.The record has Bush Jr. defending it and criticizing Democratic presidential contenders(Obama and Clinton) in April,2008.You really should research what you say.And,if nothing else at least realize there's blame to go around even if your partisanship denies the possibilty.

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:29 PM EST
                  Chargerguy

                  Standing.

                  Bush jr has nothing to do with NAFTA...and notice I cited the Republican moderates who supported NAFTA... I put the blame on both parties..

                  not to mention in 1992 Clinton had campaign on "getting tough with the butchers of tianamen square"

                  SO not only did CLinton sell us out to china....his china POLICY was the COMPLETE opposite of what he campaigned on 1992.

                  While bush never pretended to be or campaigned as anything but a free trader.

                  CLINTON years? you mean the BUSH economy that was left to clinton? after all BUSH 41 did leave an economy growing at over 5% in bush last quarter of 2000 and an economy that had been growing all of 2000

                  Clinton left GW an economy growing at 1% in Clintons last quarter and an economy that slumped all of 2000, you do remember the dot com bubble bursting in spring of 2000?

                  Economy grew last 18 months of BUsh 41 and continued to grow for almost all of the 1990's....just as bush 41 predicted..

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:19 PM EST
                  Chargerguy

                  Standing awe

                  here is link to washington post article from 1994 where CLINTONS revesal of his campaign pledge on china is discussed.

                  Washinton post article was reprinted in one of MIT school papers

                  http://tech.mit.edu/V114/N27/china.27w.html

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.14 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:27 PM EST
                  standingwave

                  Alright Charger,so Clinton sold us out and Bush supported and expanded those policies and we're back to square one.

                    #8.15 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:12 PM EST
                    Tired of BS-654528

                    Wow weeks later and still no reply from, Know it all Lynn, or Suzi-Q, I'm so surprised, really I am! Liberals, slap em with facts, and they shut up as fast as Oblahblah does, when his teleprompter breaks down!

                      #8.16 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:38 PM EST
                      Reply
                      Ron-1203417

                      For 250 years it was a loser to bet against the U.S. That will only continue to be the case if we free up capitalism and stop government intrusion and those who desire to Europeanize the U.S. We have much going for us but it is frittered away on profligate spending, failure to control illegal immigration and a political correctness that allows people to shirk responsibility for their actions and real debate about important issues.

                      The plusses for the US are numerous and cannot be matched, namely (i) transparency in goverment and in the financial world (I know this has sufferred lately but compare it to the rest of the world) and (ii) diversity of cultures. This diversity hurts a country in the short term because it creates more crime, discrimination, etc. and a country can move from the lowest level (Level 1) to a good level of development (Level 3) with homogeniety, but it cannot get to Level 5 without being heterogeneous, so long as it overcomes its racial problems (which we have not quite solved and never will fully, but which we have overcome to a reasonably large extent). If you are a prima ballerina in Russia, a brillian physicist in Pakistan or the best baseball player in Japan, and you want to leave your country for more success, you ain't going to China or Brazil. You are, for now, coming to America. Why? because the hope is that you can prosper with your skills and besides, you can live among the general diverse population and be accepted (or even go to the Russian, Pakistani or Japanese neighborhoods if you want). That advantage of the US cannot be replicated anywhere else in the world. But we must protect against those who would stem the flow of talent into this country by "dumbing" everything down and taking away incentives, etc.

                      Fineman's article is a good one and a warning shot. We need to get our fiscal house in order for starters and vote out the liberals who would destroy incentives and the social contract of this country that rewards hard work and innovation.

                      • 24 votes
                      Reply#9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:13 PM EST
                      Paul F

                      Amen.

                      • 8 votes
                      #9.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:50 PM EST
                      aklabo

                      Absolutely EVERY ONE reading this thread MUST go back and read USARogue #2.21

                      USA Rogue, that is by far the absolute best post I have ever read on these things.

                      • 1 vote
                      #9.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:10 PM EST
                      Reply
                      thetruthshallmakeyoufree-

                      Well, you can thank the Rupert Murdock Empire, his side kick Dick Cheney the Republican party and the Conservatives for all of the negatives about our President while he is over seas. They want to portray him as weak for their political gain. Who wants to print that? If a leader is not respected in his own country, why should he be respected in other countries? The leaders don't want their citizens to do the same thing. Who would want this kind of Democracy? Some people will cut pff their face to spite their faces. Maybe it would be good if Obama did one term. America don't deserve him. Let them deal with someone like Sarah Palin. Wonder how the world would take her? I can't of anyone who could do the job Obama is doing under the circumstances. Certainly not McCain, Cheney or Bush.

                      • 9 votes
                      Reply#10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:15 PM EST
                      mommyfish

                      Its more like America doesn't deserve what Obama is doing to America. My American freedom's are not safe while he and the rest of his chicago style thugs are in office.

                      • 20 votes
                      #10.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:27 PM EST
                      lantry

                      repub`s dont need to show obama as weak,it shows in everything he done so far!

                      • 14 votes
                      #10.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:34 PM EST
                      spider-737231

                      Uh, thetruth, like the media and the opposition party trashing the president is a new phenomenon that just began when Obama took office. The msm and the Dems reached new heights in president-trashing from 2001 to 2009, remember? We warned you there would be payback. But this guy is so ineffective that payback wasn't necessary for all of the disrespect - he earned it for himself.

                      • 11 votes
                      #10.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:42 PM EST
                      ltp

                      dems couldn't scream 'NEOCON' enough for 8 years and now the right is to blame bc we don't respect obama? are you serious? did you drink battery acid as a kid bc your mind doesn't work logically...you lefties loved undermining bush/cheney. now it happens to you and it isn't good for the country? f u. go to france and take barak with you.

                      • 11 votes
                      #10.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:50 PM EST
                      navalairsupport

                      truthshallsetyou free...... have you looked at the polls, obamarama is slipping....he's all talk he's not much of a mender of this country.

                      • 6 votes
                      #10.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM EST
                      amron-1277583

                      Well for sure China ,Russia,Cuba and all of the other communist countries love Obama because they realize he is trying his best to turn America into a communist nation or at least a socialist country.

                      • 7 votes
                      #10.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:14 PM EST
                      usmcvet5711

                      obviously the truth did not set your free. You can respect the Office of the President but the man must earn the respect. Unfortunately not only has obama not earned the respect of the people he has also destroyed the respect for the office of the President of the United States. Time and again this man has lowered his exalted office to cater to foreign nations and present the US as subservient. He has catered to demands from foreign powers while other plainly just laugh in his face.

                      Like the example of the recent trip to China. Not only did he not bring up the issue of human rights but he also failed to enter into discussion about the serious trade deficit with China. He also failed to gather any support on China controlling N Korea. While obama kotows to every foreign leader he can he destroys the respect for the Office he holds.

                      Am I saying he needs to be arrogant about being President, no, but what I am saying is that the Office of the President of the United States means that we are a superpower and if proper regulations were brought into effect and certain stupid trade treaties were repealed then we would not only be the military superpower we are still we would also be the economic superpower we used to be.

                      One thing about President Bush, you know when he said he was going to do something that is exactly what he did. Probably more honesty and transparency in his administration than this one is showing.

                      • 11 votes
                      #10.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:17 PM EST
                      liss3322

                      totally agree

                        #10.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:16 PM EST
                        finetuned1

                        4 liberal TV networks to 1 just isn't enough for you liberals is it - just like taxing us, they can't do enough of that either!

                        • 4 votes
                        #10.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:23 PM EST
                        DavidP4660

                        They don't have to portray him as weak. He proves that on his own. His new them song is the old Springsteen hit "I'm going down, down, down". The world laughs at this bozo. The only ones who like him are our enemy, as he has weakened us militarily, since he can't make a decision on a real important issue. Health-care had to be done in tow weeks, but to protect our troops, it takes months to make a decision? I guess community organizers when faced with a real challenge cower like a frightened turtle.

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:07 PM EST
                        Valhalla Phil

                        Approval rating down to 45% and slipping week over week. Democratic health care bill now down to 38% and slipping week over week. Unemployment above 10% and is expected to be so for years.

                        This guy is toast. My only hope is that the country isn't totally flushed before he's ousted.

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:42 PM EST
                        Reply
                        El_Whapo

                        Star power was all Obama had. His credibility could easily be seen but those who voted for him wouldn't open their eyes wide enough to see what he really was. Now we are all paying for it and will loose out big time in the next several years to come. Buckel your pants because the worst is yet to come.

                        • 19 votes
                        Reply#11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:16 PM EST
                        mommyfish

                        Buckle your pants is right! Soon you will no longer be able to afford to buy enough food to become overweight and unhealthy, plus the government healthcare plan will make sure you’re lifestyle choices are in line with what they say your choices should be. Being forced to have health insurance or pay a fine is not choice and competition. I fear for my children’s future, they most certainly will not be growing up in the America I did if this administration is able to pass every wet dream policy it wants to without regard to “of the people, by the people, for the people”

                        • 11 votes
                        #11.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM EST
                        jay vinton

                        Above all else, this should be a wake up call to first time voters. When it's time to elect another president, please don't do it on looks, cool, family, dog, or his basketball bracket knowledge. Do it on experience, even if that experience, dare I say it, is a white man who's been at it for a while and isn't pretty, isn't overly elequent, but has been bringing home the bacon the old fashion way for more than a few senate sessions.

                        • 9 votes
                        #11.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:10 PM EST
                        GC83

                        Well mommyfish, there will be alot of us going to jail/ concentration camps since we can't afford to buy-in to this communist plan. I guess those whom support this crap won't mind paying for our incarceration as well as our healthcare.

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:47 PM EST
                        Reply
                        Michael Davenport-630637

                        Obama's star is not fading as "the US stock drops". It's the other way around. President of the US has been bashing the US even before he was elected president. Of course our stock is fading.... thanks to Obama apologies.

                        The one and only true point that was made in the article is, that the white house is no longer the place to be. All that happened in span of a year.

                        • 27 votes
                        Reply#12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:17 PM EST
                        aklabo

                        Uh Michael..This did not "happen in the span of a year"....

                        the white house "wasn't the place to be" throughout George Bush's term(s) either. He was hated, and ridiculed..by the leaders of other countries and their people... often.... for being the inarticluate buffoon he is. Not to mention a terrible businessman, who bankrupted anything he touched.

                        • 2 votes
                        #12.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:16 PM EST
                        Lynn-410457

                        MIchael, How many millions have you made in the stock market and on here complaining? You are such a phoney... Do you plan to run for office here in Ky??? Sounds like it.

                        • 1 vote
                        #12.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:44 PM EST
                        Valhalla Phil

                        Yet another liberal lie!

                          #12.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:59 PM EST
                          Reply
                          getalifevirginia-892326

                          If our allies are now not supporting us it's because Obama has treated them so badly, like they don't count unlike our enemies who Obama practically kisses their a$$es.

                          For a supposedly smart person, Obama is peculiarly clueless. He seems unable to weigh the consequences of his actions and blunders all over the place on practically everything. I keep wondering if his advisors are clueless too.

                          • 11 votes
                          Reply#13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:17 PM EST
                          wall.al37Deleted
                          Reply
                          Out w/Pelosi

                          Its Bush's fault...waaah waaaaah waaahhh..........

                          Liberal's Suck

                          • 12 votes
                          Reply#14 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:19 PM EST
                          DJ-867199Deleted
                          mommyfish

                          We know how to finish a job for sure!

                          • 3 votes
                          #14.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM EST
                          Jon-1306891

                          Well posts 13 and 13.1 pretty much sum up all of Newsvine.

                          • 6 votes
                          #14.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:49 PM EST
                          Michael-529129

                          Yeah, Sarah P sure finished the job. Wink, wink.

                          • 3 votes
                          #14.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM EST
                          usmcvet5711

                          Conservatives may swallow but liberals like to show off and gargle.

                          • 2 votes
                          #14.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:20 PM EST
                          DJ-867199Deleted
                          fedup-1067216

                          DJ are you the stereotypical liberal who typically looks like something that just fell of of a lint ball from under Grandma's sofa? Conservative and collapse are not synonymous like liberal and lint ball or Obama and failure to communicate. Have you ever noticed liberals never think they feel their way through life. They always talk about how they feel is the best for our country or what they feel will work; good intentions right? Remember what the road to hell was paved with.......?

                            #14.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:39 PM EST
                            Reply
                            wizard-1017723

                            I told you so. A phrase I seem to get alot of use out of these days. lol Never trust someone who talks faster than walks! Only thing is "The Orator" cant talk his way out of this mess and apparently never learned to walk!!!

                            • 12 votes
                            Reply#15 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:20 PM EST
                            Ginny-397538

                            During the recessions of the early 80's and 90s similiar conversations took place about about the US's decline, but this time Japan was the heir to the throne.  Numerous books came forecasting Americas decline.....didn't happen. 

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#16 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:21 PM EST
                            Michael Davenport-630637

                            It did. We are in it.

                            • 9 votes
                            #16.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:25 PM EST
                            jamick

                            I beg to differ,America has had a great amount of decline,LOOK around you and you should be able to see it all over the place,unless your so rich that ya just don't come into contact with "real people",good luck staying blind to the truth,the deceived never know they're deceived,until it's too late,

                            • 2 votes
                            #16.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:39 PM EST
                            wizard-1017723

                            Didn`t ? Look at the made in tag or stamp on anything you buy.

                            • 3 votes
                            #16.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:52 PM EST
                            Aggie-345886

                            Pretty soon there won't BE any rich. This administration seems to drool at punishing them for their hard work and accomplishments by making them pay by taxing them to death to finance this administrations damaging lame brain ideas.

                            • 5 votes
                            #16.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:25 PM EST
                            finetuned1

                            and then Obama rode into town!

                              #16.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:27 PM EST
                              Reply
                              eddie s-802886

                              It's amazing, but it appears that Media, aka the Press, who have been sucking on the Governments breast for life in the past year is starting to wake up to the fact that Obama is a loser? Can this be really happening????

                              This can't be true,,,you mean, what the millions of people have been saying for over a year the press is finally opening it's eyes too...... This must be an illusion, I don't take drugs but I think I am on an "Acid High" right now....

                              Actually I thought for sure and was betting that Obama's Soviet Socialist Hero, V. Putin would be the first that Obama would honor with a State Dinner..... This is shocking.....Maybe India is where Obama wants to hide out after his horrible defeat in 2012....Amid a Billon people where nobody will see his sorry ass.....good riddance, I cannot wait for that day to happen.....I bet instead of a Presidential Library they'll have a Presidential dumpster outside the Treasury Department containing all of Obama's successes.....

                              Better yet save the money and have the His Royal Assess Presidential Soup Kitchen because after he and the Demoncrats finish destroying our economy with taxes and now proven non-workable plans of prosperity is where we all will be.... Yes the Presidential Soup Kitchen is more appropriate than a Library which represents knowledge and Smarts,, Every city will have one too,,or even three....

                              Oh I am down off my High now and realize this is just another "Marketing" stunt by the putrid Managers of MSNBC....now I got it.....whew, reality was just a flinting glimpse there for a minute......

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#17 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:23 PM EST
                              aklabo

                              Eddie, you and many others need to go back and read post 2.21.

                              This WAS NOT, I repeat, WAS NOT just the Democrats. Your Republican "conservative" gods had their hands aaalll over this.

                              Our country has been brought to its knees by BOTH parties. And they just laugh as we all sit here and play the childish name calling games.... " Oh Liberals suck"... "oh conservatives swallow".....

                              Honestly people,, is it any wonder HOW they, BOTH parties, managed to sweep this country into the sewer??Listen to yourselves!

                              Term Limits.

                              Ron Paul.

                              Campaignforliberty.com

                              • 4 votes
                              #17.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:23 PM EST
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                              steve-1271054

                              I cry when I read this, yet it is americans fault all of us , for actually, many years giving america away to the world, forgetting our heritage , only thinking about the buck. Now we will reap the harvest of being nice to the world, and forgetting our own.

                              • 10 votes
                              Reply#18 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:24 PM EST
                              Out w/Pelosi

                              dont cry Steve...

                              Save that for when Obama takes over the rest of what you have left.

                              • 17 votes
                              #18.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:26 PM EST
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                              Jim-627839

                              I'm sure his star is dimming. Americans are desperate for help at home. We're dying here and he's pledging to coninue spending 7 or 8 billion dollars a month on the middle east conflict. I though he promised to bring the troops home.

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#19 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:25 PM EST
                              Michael Davenport-630637

                              He promised a lot of things.

                              • 11 votes
                              #19.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:28 PM EST
                              standingwave

                              If you thought that then you obviously didn't watch the debates.

                              • 3 votes
                              #19.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:53 PM EST
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                              thetruthshallmakeyoufree-

                              Some Conseratives and Republican would like for Obama to be more like the cowboy Bush. They want him to act without thinking, and do whatever the other cowboys, like Cheney wants him to do. The world and everybody else is tired of it. The world see how are treating our President, and they don't respect us. Can't we see how we are weakening our own country?

                              • 7 votes
                              Reply#20 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:26 PM EST
                              Out w/Pelosi

                              Wow man you have consumed a lot of koolaid...You feel ok?

                              • 15 votes
                              #20.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:28 PM EST
                              Michael Davenport-630637

                              You mean, the US prestige is fading because the way we "treat" our president?? Are you ok? go take a nap.

                              • 16 votes
                              #20.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM EST
                              jay vinton

                              Wake up, Disrespecting the Presidents Ideas has been an American tradition, especially when they are couched in some type of new age, crystal, pyramid, feel good idiocy that actually continues to drive the ship deeper into the water.

                              • 8 votes
                              #20.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:15 PM EST
                              usmcvet5711

                              so blinded truth by your reasoning, when you were trashing President Bush, like you just did again, and when the liberals were out trashing the U?nited States and the Government in the 60's and 70's then you liberals were lowering the prestige of this nation. So when the liberals and democrats spent the last 8 years trashing the republican party and President Bush you were again contributing to other nations not liking us because you disrespected your President.

                              So in all actuality by your own logic the liberal protests of the 60's and continuing on through today including the continuing defamation of President Bush are the real reason that our status and worldwide respect has decreased. I mean after all by your own reasoning our disrespect of the obama rockstar cannot possibly have affected worldwide opinion because after all he has only been in office for 10 months!

                              • 8 votes
                              #20.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:28 PM EST
                              Upstate New York-1233487

                              Eight years of Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Kerry, Murtha, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and Yeah Obama himself .... Treating the last President and our troops with nothing but contempt and you are going to say we need to show this man respect. I hope he does well because this is my country but he has never shown me anything that deserves my respect. His wife has no respect for our country and so many of his friends had no respect for our country.

                              • 11 votes
                              #20.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:10 PM EST
                              Tired of BS-654528

                              Respect is earned, and Oblahblah deserves not one ounce of my respect. I know, he doesn't care anyway, he damn sure better start caring! Many millions of us think the same way! BTW, Upstate, he NOW cares(as does Michelle) since he won the White House!

                              • 4 votes
                              #20.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:44 PM EST
                              Azrancher

                              You obviously know squat about cowboys, they dont do anything without thinking about it first, deciding if they want to do it at all and if they can do it later or easier.

                              I dont know what you can call that mess in the middle east that both odumbo and bush cant decide what to do with, but we have not even begun to play cowboys and towel heads yet,

                              • 3 votes
                              #20.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:00 PM EST
                              wall.al37Deleted
                              Catmoves

                              "Finemans obvious love affair with all that is Obama has clearly blinded him to the fact that the object of his crush has turned a minor erosion into a crashing mudslide of the dominance of America."

                              Fineman, I think, is not blinded by BO. What he is, is simply being aware of who signs his paycheck and who they adore and control.

                              It would be nice if he came out and admitted he is just a pen for hire and writes the kind of articles his bosses (for whatever reason) want to see in their paper. (After all, it worked for Willie Hearst, didn't it?)

                              But perhaps Mr. Fineman is smarter than I (and his bosses) give him credit for being. What if this milk fed article was deliberately put out there for us to read and react to while the author crossed his fingers and hoped we'd recognize his point? Hmmmmm?

                                #20.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:50 PM EST
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                                gofinsgo

                                Its like we all knew would happen with Americans having short memories and wanting instant gratification: he will get blamed for the recession that he inherited and if after a year its not fixed (not possible to be fixed in a year) his popularity will slip. Its not even a year but what we knew would happen, happened. I wish people were able to think rationally and think on their own. He has a lot of good things started, we just need to give them time to come to fruition. He is at least, the hardest working president we've had in a while-thats for sure. And look at the mess he inherited on many different fronts. the mess took a lot longer than 10 months to happen, it will take a lot longer than 10 months to fix-no matter who was in there !

                                • 6 votes
                                Reply#21 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:27 PM EST
                                kath63

                                you better get your facts straight, the recession we were COMING OUT OF before he signed in stimulus money (and bush too) for 'helping out america" the recession we were COMING OUT OF before they bailed out the banks, killed lehman bros... was all about control. The recession was CAUSED by MR. Clinton's giving away houses to people who couldn't afford it!!! GO back and read the news man!... THey know where it all started,,,,,

                                If the government would have kept it's dirty hands OUT and let them would FAIL. others would have picked up the pieces and we would be better off than we are now. 10% unemployment, they are already greasing the skids saying it will go to 11% or higher.

                                Same thing with the depression, proven fact that all of Roosevelts schemes HURT the economy and the ONLY THING that got us out of it was WWII.... if they would have left it alone it would have recovered several years faster.

                                Now the government wants MORE CONTROL, yeah, like that has worked in the past. This guy doesn't have any respect because HE DOESN"T RESPECT HIS OWN COUNTRY or the AMERICAN PEOPLE and everyone out there KNOWS IT. HE DEMONSTRATES IT EVERY FREAKING DAY HE GOES OUT AND APOLOGIZES TO THE WORLD.

                                When your own "leader" doesn't love his country... what does "THAT SAY"?????

                                • 12 votes
                                #21.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM EST
                                jamick

                                pull yo head out o there, if "our"President had a real brain,an actually cared about getting America back on the right track,his priorieties would be a lot different in sequence,but Nooooooooooooo! he wants to spent us broke,tax us to death,all while we don't have job's,funny isn't it,we lose jobs,and he wants to worry about health-care,he spends nearly $800 billion on stimulas,and there's no results,he is just finishing up for bush/cheney.if the U.N. can build nation's,they can tear them down too,which is what I beleive has been going on step by step for a very long time,"He is yet another puppet, the deceived don't know they're deceived.good luck with that.

                                • 4 votes
                                #21.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:06 PM EST
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                                Jack Yankura

                                Makes a great case for the US to get out of all Islamic Countries, militarily and humanitarian, including the continent of Africa. Also, withdraw forces from South Korea and Japan. Possibly also a good idea to leave Germany. Countries have matured since WWII and want to fend for themselves. USA needs to just trade like other nations. I'm having a senior moment but for the life of me I can't remember reading about a country asking for military support from the USA for a intervention. Also correct immigration goals to match similiar nations.

                                • 8 votes
                                Reply#22 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:27 PM EST
                                Joyce-1177091

                                You are correct. Let's leave the policing of these other countries to the United Nations or whoever else wants to be responsible. Let's leave the humanitarian efforts to all the movie stars who make a ton of money every year and want to complain we aren't doing enough. And, most of all, let's secure our borders so we don't keep having all these illegals come into our country and then everyone thinking it is our job to support them. When my great, great, grandparents came here in the 1830's they had to learn English and support themselves. There wasn't a government to do it. So if there are illegals here who can't support themselves, then they need to leave. I am tired of this country being the humantarians for the world.

                                • 13 votes
                                #22.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:47 PM EST
                                WA_VOTER

                                Don't forget to cut our 80% funding of the United Nations and asking them to rotate their location or, just move it out of the US. We set this organization up and I believe it is time for it to stand or fall on it's own.

                                • 4 votes
                                #22.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:19 PM EST
                                Tired of BS-654528

                                No, time to cut the U.N., and NATO as well.

                                • 3 votes
                                #22.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:45 PM EST
                                Sickofit-1049662

                                First sensible post I've read today, Jack. Bring ALL our troops home from every country they are stationed in, put them on the borders and stop all foreign aid. Let's clean our own house and stop worrying about being a superpower. Throw out every incumbent, Republican and Democrat. Scale back the federal government by electing independents who will vote for term limits and who will repeal all these entitlements. Restore the free market; true energy independence will only be achieved this way. Within a generation we could be free and prosperous again!

                                • 5 votes
                                #22.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:57 PM EST
                                Tired of BS-654528

                                Ive been saying that for years! Well said Jack, to bad that will never happen here!

                                • 4 votes
                                #22.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:08 PM EST
                                aklabo

                                Thank you Jack.

                                See... where were you people when RON PAUL was campaigning?? He was and has been saying our country CANNOT afford to police the entire world, and it is high time they use their own damn money to defend their own damn countries ( well, the damn part are my own words)....

                                he wanted to bring the troops HOME, and STOP these illegal and unsustainable wars, and SECURE OUR OWN BORDERS. Term limits and END THE FED!!

                                • 4 votes
                                #22.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:31 PM EST
                                Catmoves

                                aklabo, what you say about Ron Paul seems to be very true from what I have read and heard of him. But there was one humongous problem about electing him President: Our country decided some time ago to give children the vote and kids are almost invariably star struck and easily lead. Ron Paul (although he might have made the best President) looks like an old man that kids can ignore. We older people (from 30 on up) are aware of this problem but we don't know how to correct it, it seems.

                                As with other laws to lead and protect our offspring, we eliminated the need for military training (not all soldiers go to the front lines), we failed to teach them to listen to the gray heads (and learn lessons that are not taught in any schools), we educated them in ways to get the "goverment" to support them for all their lives (well, you can't hardly hold down a job if you can't hardly read) and thank our schools for not teaching them to look, read and analyze everything a candidate says and does. (or does not do).

                                Yes, I believe in terms limits for all political offices.

                                I also believe that BO is perfectly fine with killing off the older people in this country.

                                A bit out context, but do you know that there will be no increase in Social Security retirement this year? Or the next year? It seems BO can read the future and the Cost Of Living will not go up this year, nor next year. So retirees will receive no money to cover the inevitable raise his inflationary actions will cause. For two years.

                                It seems to me that gasoline has zipped right back to being dang expensive and my grocery bills are now higher than they have been in many years. But BO says there will be no inflation so I don't get a COLA.

                                But he is going to raise my Medicare cost. Appreciably.Oh well,

                                Just sayin'

                                • 3 votes
                                #22.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:19 PM EST
                                Tired of BS-654528

                                If. Ron Paul had not dropped out after the primaries, he damn sure would have gotten my vote! RON PAUL 2012!

                                  #22.8 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:41 PM EST
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                                  ondeckRestored

                                  NO - cut this guy a break, he walked into the biggest mess handed any president in our history and he's keeping our head above water. Being handed a a plummeting economy and worst recession in almost a hundred years AND three wars Iraq, Afghanistan and the global war on terror with them just waiting for an opening to attack us again - I'd say in the 11 months months he's held office he's done one hell of a job.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#23 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:27 PM EST
                                  Joyce-1177091

                                  Yeah, and instead of really getting in there and cutting the budget, he expanded it. All those czars he hired were additions to the deficit. All the money that was spent to create a few jobs and save a few jobs, real bright. And now this huge health care bill that will break our backs. What people don't get is, every time there is a tax on the rich, they just figure out another loophole to get out of paying for it. So who really ends up paying the taxes? I would say the 11 months he has been in office he has done an worse job than Bush and I thought Bush was an idiot.

                                  • 12 votes
                                  #23.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:40 PM EST
                                  AlwaysProudAmerican

                                  No, he did not walk into this mess. He campaigned for this mess. He knew about the economy, and the war. Do you not remember his campaign speeches? Do you not remember his promises? Do you not remember being warned he was too inexperienced for the job? He will not get any better in the next 3 years. Exactly whose head is he keeping above water? China?

                                  • 14 votes
                                  #23.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:44 PM EST
                                  dcisshovelready

                                  You don't spend millions of dollars to walk into or inherit something.

                                  • 9 votes
                                  #23.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:44 PM EST
                                  ConfederateSon

                                  But you can certainly spend that much to cover up other things, can't you?

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #23.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:55 PM EST
                                  Chargerguy

                                  Ondeck its notthe "worst recession in a hundred years"

                                  carter recession was worse.

                                  BTW once again HIS simply talking office was suppose to CHANGE THE WORLD...that's how he was sold

                                  his simple taking office was supposed to IMPROVE our position in the world

                                  his simple taking office was supposed ot make the world move to support us.

                                  was it all a big lie?

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #23.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:01 PM EST
                                  jke911

                                  Thanks, may God bless you.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #23.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:01 PM EST
                                  midwesterner-656324

                                  Keep drinking the kool-aid dude while the rest of the world passes us by and your standard of living drops to those you see in fourth world countries. Obama is a socialist selling us out.

                                  • 8 votes
                                  #23.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:11 PM EST
                                  JamesFitz

                                  Im sick and tired of responding to braindead Marxists. For anyone who has the courage to see the truth about where we are and how we got here.....well, its right in front of your face, only if you throw all the propaganda youve been spoon-fed out, clear your mind, and again, have courage to believe what you learn.

                                  America IS the greatest country ever on the face of the planet. Its people, are the most giving, selfless, good, caring people to ever live. Euroweenies have been jealous of America for decades, along with most other countries. And if we get some leaders with love of country, love of our constitution, and deep respect and love for all our citizens, then we will be just fine. Unfortunately, none of our current crop of so-called leaders have any of the above-mentioned leanings.........instead I believe they only love themselves and their Marxist agenda, along with an overwhelming desire to accumulate absolute power. Lets just try our hardest to keep them from THEIR desires for US.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #23.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:37 PM EST
                                  Reply
                                  Joyce-1177091

                                  Clinton, Bush and Obama have sold this country out. Clinton to the Chinese, Bush to his oil buddies who are whopping it up in Texas and Obama to the Saudis, India anc China. All three are responsible for the mess this country is in and all three deserve the blame. We, the people of the U. S. need to take back our country and put it back on a fiscally responsilbe budget and if that means down sizing government than so be it. Something has got to give before there is nothing left for any of us.

                                  • 8 votes
                                  Reply#24 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:29 PM EST
                                  RogerM

                                  No Joyce, it's not about "oil buddies in Texas", or the budget, or even down sizing the government (which I agree with).

                                  It's because they don't fear and respect us anymore.

                                  At one time, if you hit us, you were beaten into the ground for it. Now we waffle around, beg other countries for help, apologize for being so powerful, promise not to do anything that the rest of the world doesn't like, and pull out of wars instead of winning them.

                                  When we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan the countries that hated us all of a sudden backed up on their policies. Iran actually shut down their nuke program for awhile and Libya all of a sudden wanted to play nice. And why? Because they knew we would tear them up too if they continued with their terrorist anti-U.S. garbage.

                                  Now all of a sudden Korea is blowing up nukes (notice they did it AFTER the Democrats took Congress, who actually declares and finances wars) Iran started their nuke program full scale, Libya's leader is talking trash again, Russia is sabre rattling, and the rest of the world is laughing at us.

                                  WHY? Because they now DON'T fear or respect us. We have a weak President (wow, just like Carter!) begging for crumbs, Olympics, and "help". We have weak Congress that wants to take over the country more then they want respect from the world.

                                  And now the world thinks we're a joke instead of the most powerful nation on earth.

                                  • 7 votes
                                  #24.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:48 PM EST
                                  Analyst-451580

                                  Madam, how can you state that President Obama is responsible for the mess the usa is in, when he has been in office for a mere 11 months. Most CEO's who assume responsibility for a company take that time to get their feet wet. You introduce a new principal into a school and he or she will take more time to effect change. Your President is a very capable man and he will solve the pressing problems of the USA but he needs support rather than rabid criticism while he unravels the mess he found. What is so difficult to understand about that? Or is it that persons must write nonsense because they can? Make no mistake your President is well respected and you would do well to lend him support. I used to admire the people of the USA because they stood united behind their President, but now it seems that partisan politics never sleeps and your country will be worse off for it. Now, go ahead and trivialize my comment!

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #24.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:00 PM EST
                                  WA_VOTER

                                  A little history and definition. Bush I went into Iran and left without finishing, Clinton went into Iran and left without finishing, Bush II went into Iran and finished them off, militarily. The war there was won, now it is the rebuilding and democratization that is bogging us down and getting our guys killed. The war is won when the country doesn't have a military to fight back with. We are fighting thugs now, not a countries military. Afghan was won the first year when the Taliban broke up and ran. Now we are fighting war-lords in order to find Bin Laudin and bring him to justice. This could be presented as a continuation of the War Against Terrorisim (Afghan) and as such, I'm OK with that.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #24.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:31 PM EST
                                  jamick

                                  hey obama,Michelle's playing on the computer again,L.O.L.he's not getting his feet wet,he's burying us,if you,{or Him} were from here, you'd know what he's already changed to make our lives worst,damned foreigner's cant keep they're noses in they're own affair's,huum,sounds like us,our leaders anyway. if ya didn't grow up here,you shouldn't be president here,no matter who your father was/was not.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #24.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:31 PM EST
                                  NIKKY-504105

                                  according to chris matthews and morning joe he is the reason for all the mess in the world they forgot who got us in this mess

                                    #24.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:31 PM EST
                                    R. Auberger

                                    Ok Analyst-451580 , I will take a shot at it ....

                                    Your a idiot and most of us Americans couldnt give a damn what you think or believe. We for the most part are fighting to preserve the very foundation of what this great country is all about and will stand against and defy this fool that some call the President od the United States.

                                    He has no plan except to convert the US away from its founding principles and to have it move more toward a European type of government. He wants to be liked and be seen as a equal to every other country, even our enemies. It is this and many other things he has done and is planning to do and I as Veteran am disgusted by him and his ideals. I would never ever stand for anyone who is so certainly against something that I have made a pledge to defend and protect ........ its called the Constitution of the United States .......... it will be a cold day in hell when for appearances sake that I would stand up and support a President and Congress that would destroy the very principles that document stands for ...... for the likes of you and people like you .... you dont matter to us in this situation and your opinion isnt required, respected nor valid.

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #24.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:51 PM EST
                                    usmcvet5711

                                    Analyst here I go to trivialize you away point by point.

                                    Sorry most CEO's do not campaign for years to get the position they are hired for. Additionally if most CEO's sent their bussiness into a full tailspin in 11 months they would be packing their trash and moving out. CEO's are hired and expected to perform for their company or their stocks tank and investors bail. That is how CEO's are paid. So the 11 month excuse just doesn't fly anymore. Its put up or shut up time.

                                    Our current President is not capable to do the job he campaigned for as evidenced by all of his decisions. In a time when strong leadership is called for this President waffles on every issue. In a time of economic distress this President decides to push for legislation that inhibits business, stalls a fragile recoverign economy and uses economic policies that add trillion to the debt in very short order and erodes national and world confidence. In a time when strong decisive military leadership is called for this pretend Commander in Chief cannot even make a coherent decision to back the very General he placed in charge of the situation.

                                    Our President is nolt well respected he is the laughing stock of the world. No country out there respect him because he cannot make a decision to save his life. Every decision he has made has been because an outside foreign government has wanted him to do it. Russia wanted the missle net taken down and obama obliged. N Korea wanted to start blasting their weapons and rattle their sabers and obama threatened them with harsh words. Iran said well lets build our nuclear weapons and obama begged the UN to enact harsher sanctions which they still have not done. China leads our President around by his nose and obama gratefully kisses their rear end.

                                    I would love to stand behind my President except everything he does and wants does more to destroy the United States than it does to help it. I took an oath to protect and serve my country and the man inhabitaing the Office of the President of the United States is blindly helping the radical left wingnuts of his chosen party destroy our way of life. You go ahead and lend that support but I sincerely hope that someday the blindfold will fall off of your face so you can see the truth.

                                    • 11 votes
                                    #24.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:53 PM EST
                                    Aggie-345886

                                    Well Joyce, if you believe that Bush sold us out to his "oil buddies" in Texas...wellll, at least Texas is in the U.S.A. and he didn't sell us out to the Chinese, Saudis, etc. Last I heard even Texas oil millionaires and U.S. oil companies pay taxes in and to the U.S.A.!

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #24.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:41 PM EST
                                    Aggie-345886

                                    usmcvet5711....Brilliant!!!

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #24.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:45 PM EST
                                    Barry-NJ

                                    WA_Voter ... you need a lesson in geography. The US didn't "go into" Iran.

                                      #24.10 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:22 PM EST
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                                      Todd Roberson

                                      What an idiotic article: it must be a slow news day.

                                      You mean it takes more than good looks, charisma and pretty talk to really dominate the world?

                                      I'd imagine this is news only to the sycophants and idiots that placed their all hopes in someone with no experience, original thoughts or resolve.

                                      Who could have ever seen this coming?

                                      • 9 votes
                                      Reply#25 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:29 PM EST
                                      Chargerguy

                                      Todd..

                                      It bad news for OBAMA that evene PRO OBAMA Newsweek and MSNBC starting to talk about this

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #25.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM EST
                                      Matt-416046

                                      Not really, even an article with the headline Star Dimming is all about bashing Bush. When I saw the headline I was shocked and could not believe that MSDNC would turn on the One. As I read the article my fears were allayed, the problems left by the previous admin as so bad that even The One cannot fix them. It's laughable.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #25.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:02 PM EST
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