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Border patrol adopts Indian techniques

Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:32 PM EST
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— Columbus, N.M. - Under a scorching sun in the harsh desert along Highway 9 in southern New Mexico, Border Patrol agents Rito Jara and Juan Treviso are quickly on the move, scouring the hard ground, trying to pick up footprints from suspected drug smugglers or immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally from Mexico.

The agents discovered the footprints next to a cattle fence while on routine patrol early in the morning about three miles north of the U.S.-Mexican border. Finding more prints across the highway, they determined that two men passed by here around midnight, eight hours earlier. It appeared they were walking north across the barren scrubland toward either the town of Deming, New Mexico, or U.S. Highway 10, where they could be picked up and spirited away.

Joining the search, Border Patrol Field Operations Supervisor Juan Acosta said it was possible the men had already reached the Cedar Mountain Range, many miles ahead, and were now hunkered down to avoid daylight search parties and the searing heat. One potential hideout, Acosta suggested, was a notorious mountain pass known locally as Doper's Gap, because of all the Mexican traffickers who have already passed though there carrying burlap knapsacks filled with illegal drugs bound for U.S. street corners.

As of this writing, the two men who left their tracks along the highway were still being sought.

Taking control of the wide open desert
Three years ago, smuggling and illegal immigration were so out of control in southern New Mexico that the governor declared a state of emergency and called in the National Guard to assist the U.S. Border Patrol. "We had several narcotics organizations that were exploiting that particular area," said Acosta.

Agents said law enforcement efforts to slow illegal border crossings in neighboring Texas and Arizona had the unintended effect of forcing thousands of Mexican immigrants and smugglers to change routes and brave the harsh conditions in New Mexico's desert, where in many places there was nothing more than a wire fence separating the two countries.

It was not uncommon then for the Border Patrol to report hundreds of apprehensions a night and for ranchers to complain of widespread thefts and break-ins as illegal immigrants trekked north into the United States.

In a further attempt to seal the border and restore order, the Border Patrol this year opened Camp Ramsey, a permanent forward operation base, or FOB, in the middle of the desert.  It is 26 miles west of Columbus, New Mexico, the nearest town, and 60 miles from Deming, where the closest Border Patrol station is located. 

Sixteen agents are assigned to the FOB on a rotating basis and work twelve-hour shifts, day and night. "We need them close to the border, which is going to reduce the time to respond,"  explained Acosta, who helped open the facility. Camp Ramsey has dorm rooms, showers, television and a dining facility for the agents, along with holding cells and processing facilities for detainees.

Every day, at noon and at midnight, a fresh team of agents heads out on the desert to begin a new search. 

Ancient tracking skill foils smugglers
Agents at Camp Ramsey make use of both high technology and ancient tracking methods to catch the illegal immigrants and smugglers.

Their high-tech arsenal includes seismic sensors, which detect people walking across the desert, heat-seeking cameras, lasers and night vision goggles, which are used to pinpoint immigrants crossing the border under cover of darkness.

Even on the black and white camera monitors used at night, agents can easily determine when the images on the screen are from drug traffickers.  "Usually you can tell when it's dope, because it's a bigger bag that they carry and they're pretty hunched over," said Francisco Guerrero, a Border Patrol agent manning a mobile camera site.

Of equal importance, though, and used widely by all the agents in the desert, is a low-technology skill known as "sign cutting,"  a tracking method perfected centuries ago by Native Americans hunting for food.

"We keep our eyes to the ground, we try to pick up any disturbances, whether it's brush, whether it's a footprint on the ground, a turned over rock, just anything," said Acosta.

Sign cutting helps agents determine whether a person is crossing the desert, how many others are with him and how long ago they passed by. All that, agents say, can be seen in the dust, rocks, grass, bushes, anthills and prairie dog mounds that cover the landscape here.

"Agents do it everyday, every single day agents are finding people, finding narcotics, finding illegal crossers off one footprint," said Acosta while standing near a dry wash, which is a known route for smugglers on foot. "This is all drug trafficking right here, every bit of it," he said.  "The fact it sits just a little bit lower than the surrounding area gives them a little bit more cover."

Using fake cattle hooves and booties to avoid detection
To the untrained eye, the hundreds of miles of desert floor all looks the same. But to an experienced Border Patrol agent, there are many clues in the minute details. If someone has stepped on an anthill, the activity level of the ants and the amount of rebuilding on the mound can help determine how long ago the person passed by. "If it's been stepped on and you see the ants just running around crazy trying to fix it, it kind a tells you it was recent, someone stepped on it recently," said Acosta.

Other clues can be found in overturned rocks and broken grass. If the dirt on an upside rock is still moist, it was turned over recently. If a piece of grass is snapped in two and the broken part is still green, that, too, suggests a recent passage. Fallen leaves and bits of thread hanging from the border fence can also give away an illegal crossing into U.S. territory.

The biggest and most obvious clue, however, and the one that has led to the apprehension and prosecution of thousands of smugglers, is the human footprint. Agents will spend hours a day walking along the border fence or cruising desert roads on trucks, all-terrain vehicles or horses to search of footprints.

Once prints are detected, and are determined to have come from Mexico, they are followed for a while to determine the direction the people are traveling. Other agents will then be sent miles ahead to try to find the tracks again, a technique known as "leapfrogging", which helps agents quickly locate the traffickers or immigrants.

To avoid detection, smugglers will often wear large foam squares on their feet or sandals with pieces of leather stapled to the soles, which make a print that looks like cattle hooves. Agents say the most effective technique, however, involves large booties made from blankets or rug material. The booties can be worn over regular shoes and hardly leave any prints at all.

"As soon as you know they've got the booties on, you know you better raise your game and start looking a lot closer, because chances are you're gonna miss it and you're gonna be going around in circles and they're gonna gain time on you," said Acosta. 

A successful deterrent
Officials claim that the agents at Camp Ramsey have been dramatically successful, reducing border crossings, drug smuggling and apprehension from as many as 300 a night to just a handful, if any at all.  "They know we're out here," said Acosta. "They know we're not going anywhere, they know it's hard for them to get through here. They're going to pick another area and that's the idea."

Despite the effective deterrent, though, some people still cross illegally into this part of New Mexico where the agents are waiting to give chase.

The smugglers willing to make the dangerous crossing are determined and cagey and will walk miles out of their way to way to avoid detection.  Some now even carry an extra set of booties for when the first set wears out on the desert rock.

"It's such a simple technique," said Acosta  "You know it gives us heartaches. It gives us fits."

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JalJones

yeah like the indian's border patrol efforts kept the illegal european immigrnats out. lol

  • 6 votes
#1 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:14 PM EST
Madison From NY

Obama the CIC won't enforce immigration laws but wants to give illegals free healthcare, education and social services, and tax us to death to pay for people who ought to be arrested.

How about deporting illegals?

That would actually "create" jobs in America taken from American citizens.

In violation of US law.

But then Obama is not too big on the Constitution or US law or hard working citizens.

  • 20 votes
#1.1 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:20 PM EST
addiem

Gee Madison, you on all the message boards whining about Obama this evening?

How about the Dept of Homeland Security round up all American employers that hire these illegals, and put the lawbreaking employers in jail? That ought to dry up the illegal job market pretty quick.

  • 21 votes
#1.2 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:25 PM EST
Madison From NY

addiem,

You are so right, go after the employers big time, problem is Federal Law Enforcement headed by Obama won't touch illegals and give their employers a pass, and won't check to make sure people are citizens before allowing them to vote.

Hey, don't the repubs and dems in Washington have a particularly hard time getting caught with illegal hired help and not paying taxes on them? The crooks in Washington need to be arrested too and that means most if not all of them.

Why don't the ultra left wing Marxists who want to control and tax everything from their corrupt thrones in Washington DEMAND proof of citizenship as a condition to voting, and as a condition to healthcare in the pending Obamacare legislation, aka "coffins for clunkers."

  • 13 votes
#1.3 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:31 PM EST
DREW@HOOD.MIL

I grew up on the San Ysidro/Tijuana border. Got family on both sides. I've heard they was going to fix the border since I was a boy. lol. Every politician says they are going to fix that. That issue is alot more complicated than most Americans understand. If the government wants to get serious about it, they're gonna have to militarize the border. But that will never happen.lol.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:41 PM EST
Warchief#1

So true,lol.Native Americans.Fighting terrorism since 1492.

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:30 AM EST
jimmy james-1146680

It's BOTH parties that dropped the ball on this issue. Unfortunately BOTH have reasons to keep the illegals here, be it for votes or cheap labor.

  • 8 votes
#1.6 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:31 AM EST
Otoe

I wear my fighting terrorism since 1492 t-shirt-

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:39 AM EST
USARogue

SIMPLE SOLUTION IF YOU TRULY WANT TO CREATE A WAR ON DRUGS AND ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!!!

If and when Obama brings our military back from Iraq give them all a well deserved 6 month rest. In the interim period announce to the world that any illegals crossing the border onto our soil will be shot on sight. No questions asked. This is not a simple issue of illegal immigrants coming here to work. It's the drug smugglers, the gang bangers and criminals fleeing Mexico.

OUR NATION IS BROKE, WE CAN NO LONGER FREELY OPEN OUR BORDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The massive cost of 25 MILLION ILLEGALS is staggering. Job losses, crime, murder, drugs and we are all sitting here wringing our hands about what we should call them to be politically correct!!!!

THEY'RE FU**ING CRIMINALS. THEY'RE TRESPASSING ON OUR SOIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Treat them as Iran treats their trespassers a few times and the rest will think twice about trying to sneak in our country. NO MORE illegal aliens. NO MORE undocumented immigrants. NO MORE displaced persons. They are criminals. We have to spend 20 times the time and effort to apprehend, put on trial, convict and then rehabilitate every drug induced criminal in our country as it would take to catch them crossing the border, pack them into tractor trailers and haul them back to Mexico.

UNFORTUNATELY OUR GOVERNMENT IS AS CORRUPT AS THESE CRIMINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS THE DILEMMA WE MUST FACE, ADDRESS AND CORRECT BEFORE OUR BORDERS WILL EVER BE SAFE AGAIN!!!!!!!!

  • 8 votes
#1.8 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:45 AM EST
William Root

Madison From NY

Obama the CIC won't enforce immigration laws but wants to give illegals free healthcare, education and social services, and tax us to death to pay for people who ought to be arrested.

How about deporting illegals?

That would actually "create" jobs in America taken from American citizens.

In violation of US law.

But then Obama is not too big on the Constitution or US law or hard working citizens.

There are over 11,385,000 skilled jobs being held by illegal aliens or undocumented immigrants as our elected royalty prefers to call them! Wouldn't it be nice to have AMERICANS working those jobs in AMERICA? It won't cure the problem, but it would really be a big help to 11,385,000 out of work Americans! Whens enough, enough and Americans start demanding our elected royalty start addressing the problems of AMERICANS over illegal aliens? Here's where I got that number

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=Statistics+on+Anchor+Babies&page=1&qsrc=6&dm=all&ab=0&title=Immigration+Counters.com+-+Live+Counters%2C+News%2C+Resources%2C+Facts&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.immigrationcounters.com%2F&sg=3txXHrZ4DwwzMn1CsL93oHp%2BgMn%2B7OHv90AVMcX02tc%3D&tsp=1259247799973

The story says they assume they're tracking illegal immigrants (aliens), or drug smugglers with no mention of terrorists! The airline CEO's, and our elected royalty also assumed hijackers just wanted money, or concessions until 911!!! If terrorists that crossed the Mexican border commit another attack inside our country, does anyone really think that info will be made public? Or will they gag it under national security to protect their jobs? That's a fair question.

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:05 AM EST
craig speakman

What about using bloodhounds to track them? They might be able to cover up their tracks, but they can't mask their body odor.

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:13 AM EST
willowbrook

Good to hear there is at least one successful program going on down there. Unfortunately, they need MORE units to cover a larger portion of the border.

USARogue, I never thought about shooting them on site. I can see how that would put a permanent end to the problem. The US will never do it, the Bleeding Heart Liberals will see to that.

    #1.11 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:58 AM EST
    Dave from Iowa

    Everyone bashing Obama for not doing enough is probably a Republican. If this Admin did what is suggested above,lol, a bunch of Republican business owners will be in jail,lmao.

    Actually, Obama has done MUCH more than the previous Admin. For example, it's not getting much air play, but Homeland Security has been checking the employee SS numbers of THOUSANDS of businesses. Many complained about the "TV" raids and the rounding up of illegals, so this is a 'cleaner' way of costing Jose his job.

    Remember it was Reagan who gave amnesty to millions in the '80s that opened up the flood gates of illegals that spurred the CEO pay to the levels it is now while taking money out of MY pocket with stagnant wages.

    And yes, I also fault every Democrat Admin too, for not fixing the Republican mess.

    • 1 vote
    #1.12 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:12 AM EST
    SheepleOf1

    "Border Patrol Adopts Indian Techniques"

    Skalping!!! That's terrible and of the devil fer sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 2 votes
    #1.13 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:57 PM EST
    martin moreno

    illegal people taking jobs from american people? stupid !! who wants to do landscaping for 7 dollars an hour wash dishes for 7 dollars an hours white people is lazy and you guys want everything easy just stay at home waiting for your check from the goverment illegal people pay tax just like american people do and they dont get any money back why dont talk about black people having 10 kids selling drugs and they have stamps wick all the help they can get stop bitching about illegal people and get your lazy ass up and go apply for a job

    • 2 votes
    #1.14 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:10 PM EST
    Otoe

    There are many Americans who need jobs and are to the point they would gladly take $7/hour. We are not talking about any other race than the illegals from the south and BP's methods of catching and detaining them....

    • 5 votes
    #1.15 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:25 PM EST
    americanoutrage

    martin moreno.......read your post again......maybe your the one who needs to be deported......

    follow my words......in this country we speak ENGLISH......

    • 8 votes
    #1.16 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:14 PM EST
    Tim W.-1074098

    Dave from Iowa, you can't blame Bush anymore. Obama has been in office nearly a year, and hasn't accomplished one .... damn .... thing.

    • 1 vote
    #1.17 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:22 PM EST
    A60750

    To be an optomist, look on this as a way for the government to create jobs. What a wonderful opportunity to put Americans to work as Border Patrol Officers, protecting our soverignty by hiring several thousand new agents! It'd be great to protect American jobs, fight illegal drug smuggling, and discourage the theft of health care services by citizens of other countries sneaking across our borders.

      #1.18 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:40 PM EST
      Dave from Iowa

      Ah Tim, one year to unscrew 30 years of looking the other way?

      Come on......

        #1.19 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:22 PM EST
        Tim W.-1074098

        Name ONE decision Obama has made that has had any positive effect on the state of the Union. I'll give you a hint: you can't.

          #1.20 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:38 PM EST
          Dave from Iowa

          Saved the American Auto companies....same as a Republican Prez would have.

          I think that is lost on many, including you Tim, If McCain was in office just about EVERYTHING that has taken place now with the economy, would have happened with a Red POTUS.

            #1.21 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:58 AM EST
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            Otoe

            sounds like they're going to need chiropractors from looking down at the ground so much...haha

            • 1 vote
            Reply#2 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:17 PM EST
            DREW@HOOD.MIL

            You can't blame the B.P. They've been tasked with doing an impossible job. They make an excellent living, and have a great retirement though. Oh, and their federal retirement includes their selected medical care, so don't worry.

            • 2 votes
            #2.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:05 AM EST
            Otoe

            I was referring to tracking...

            I appreciate their time and energy. I thought the National Guard helped...?

            • 2 votes
            #2.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:12 AM EST
            DREW@HOOD.MIL

            Oh, and another thing Otoe, your a POS. I wonder why green blow flies aren't flying around your name on the computer screen.

            • 1 vote
            #2.3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:20 AM EST
            DREW@HOOD.MIL

            Sorry Otoe, I rescind my latest comments. ;-)

              #2.4 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:25 AM EST
              Otoe

              Thank you Drew...I couldn't figure out what I said...

                #2.5 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:33 AM EST
                DREW@HOOD.MIL

                Otoe, your message 2.2 came a bit late. I was still stewing about your first comment, which I took more offense as I thought about it. No worries though, I can tell your a good fella, and I'm sorry for blasti'n ya on NEWSVINE.

                • 1 vote
                #2.6 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:00 AM EST
                greg -841781

                If they would just declare open season on the boarder every angry redneck across the country would come and try to get a trophy Buck... I just wonder what the Call would be? For Deer you grunt and rattle two horns together to make rutting noises... what would draw a mexican in closer?

                Once a few were shot and laid across the hood of some of these rednecks trucks, it would send a message out quickly that the boarder was not a good thing to cross illegally.... Make it punishable by "death by redneck" and everyone would be happy.... you charge a tag fee and if you go over your limit you would get a free hat....

                I could implement this in a second and really what laws would you be breaking? Human rights violations? International protocol? It is supposed to be a secure boarder.... Yet every illegal I have spoke to told me that they paid $3000.00 dollars and were driven across the boarder.. The mexicans coming into America are more scared of the Mexican gangs that will mug them and even kill them than they are of the US boarder patrol....

                Between mexican gangs and rednecks I think one could make the boarder almost impassable.. Now, how to stop the dirty Boarder patrol agents from taking pay offs and just letting them drive through?

                • 1 vote
                #2.7 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:21 PM EST
                hilobamacaine

                try the sound of a beer can popping open greg,that should bring them in range

                  #2.8 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:18 AM EST
                  BrianAgness

                  Once a few were shot and laid across the hood of some of these rednecks trucks, it would send a message out quickly that the boarder was not a good thing to cross illegally.... Make it punishable by "death by redneck" and everyone would be happy.... you charge a tag fee and if you go over your limit you would get a free hat....

                  I've been on Newsvine for a while, but this is by far one of the most intolerant, ignorant, and blatantly racist posts I have seen.

                  Yet every illegal I have spoke to told me that they paid $3000.00 dollars and were driven across the boarder..

                  And if you hate illegal immigrants so much, why don't you report these tons of immigrants of which you have spoken with, to the INS? It seems like your entire grasp of the border situation falls somewhere between Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs...

                    #2.9 - Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:16 AM EST
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                    Madison From NY

                    "Trying to locate drug smugglers or immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally from Mexico."

                    Obama as Commander in Chief is in charge of stopping and deporting illegals, but utterly fails to enforce the perfectly adequate immigration laws on the books.

                    He'd rather push his Marxist agenda and import more and more new voters for the ultra left wing liberal dems.

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#4 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:08 PM EST
                    jimmy james-1146680

                    He can't even keep a couple of reality TV wannabe's out of The White House... What do you expect?

                    • 6 votes
                    #4.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:11 AM EST
                    Mosephus

                    I'm unsure how you got from indian tracking techniques to it's Obama's fault. I must have missed the topic.

                    I'd say Obama's doing a better job than Bush, that's not hard to do though. Oh, Dub has a Mexican sister in law, so he couldn't do much.

                    So Dub decided to destroy the economy, that'll keep 'em out.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:23 AM EST
                    RichardK-523773

                    OK now it's blame Bush time, listen they've been coming across the border long before he was POTUS.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:55 AM EST
                    Dave from Iowa

                    Right RK, it was another great Republican that really got the ball rolling: Reagan and his amnesty program.

                    • 2 votes
                    #4.4 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:15 AM EST
                    michaelb-850056

                    "Trying to locate drug smugglers or immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally from Mexico."

                    Obama as Commander in Chief is in charge of stopping and deporting illegals, but utterly fails to enforce the perfectly adequate immigration laws on the books.

                    He'd rather push his Marxist agenda and import more and more new voters for the ultra left wing liberal dems.

                    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wow! What a shocker!!! Are you saying that GW Bush was a ultra left wing Marxist by virtue of the fact that he, in his 8 years as president, did absolutely nothing to stop illegal immigration?

                    • 2 votes
                    #4.5 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:45 PM EST
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                    DavidP4660

                    Instead of putting up a fence in a cave to keep bats from flying out, use the stimulus money to create jobs to put up a 20 foot fence, barbed wired at the top, and a good 1000 volt jolt for anyone who touches it. Would create a ton of jobs for legal Americans, and keep the borders closed. But that would be too logical, and who else would vote for the liberals. Now, where would ACORN get their new recruits?

                    • 14 votes
                    Reply#5 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:09 PM EST
                    EverydayAmerican

                    "Agents said law enforcement efforts to slow illegal border crossings in neighboring Texas and Arizona had the unintended effect of forcing thousands of Mexican immigrants and smugglers to change routes and brave the harsh conditions in New Mexico's desert, where in many places there was nothing more than a wire fence separating the two countries."

                    Exactly why we need an OCEAN-TO-OCEAN wall along the entire border to enforce the immigration laws! I like your suggestion about the 1000 volts jolt, too!

                    • 4 votes
                    #5.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:08 AM EST
                    RichardK-523773

                    How about a few predator drones flying around to help spot and track them. They're cheap and would help with the lack of manpower that's available. Oh and another thing, stop prosecuting the border agents that try to stop these criminals if and when they need to use firearms. Also the guard that was killed by the drug runners should have had a partner with him and been armed with M16s to defend themselves with.

                    • 6 votes
                    #5.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:14 AM EST
                    Shel67

                    I agree with your statement concerning - Stop prosecuting the border agents that try an stop these criminals!

                    I still think about the story of the two men that this happened to - total BS

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.3 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST
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                    cheetah-822547

                    "all they'd have to do is to make sure there are no jobs here to attract people to come here, work and breed. Getting rid of housing construction should do it. If we could get everyone to stop paying their mortgages,"

                    I think that program has already started.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#6 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:13 PM EST
                    u r kidding me

                    How about closing the lotto baby loophole these illegals use. They have kid after kid to collect foodstamps, rent assistance and power assistance to name a few. They have enough kids and then they don't have to work but stay home and walk to school to make sure nobody takes away their little money machines. Also cut off an assistance for these Lotto babies if the parents are in this country illegally and aren't legal citizens.

                    Start raiding construction sites (which used to be good paying jobs for American's but you can't get hire in construction now unless you speak spanish) or Home Depot parking lots.

                    Let our local police ASK if your in this country legally and prove it. They can't now because of special interest groups.

                    When they are caught crossing our borders NO MORE giving them a chance to self deport. Give Sheriff Joe the resources to hold them in his jail system for 6 months the first time caught and a year every time their caught after that. Also add an additional year for each time they were caught.

                    No MORE AMNESTY it just sends the wrong message to criminals.

                    Heavy fines and raids to enforce any employer caught hiring them (So what if we have to pay $10.00 for a head of lettuce which is their argument for being here LOLOLOLOL Hell the farmers can't get them to work their fields any way because they want our other jobs)

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 5:08 PM EST
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                    Madison From NY

                    Obama's really working hard to stop illegal immigrants, he's killing small business and jobs so no one will want to come here since there are no jobs even for hard working AMERICAN citizens.

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#7 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:14 PM EST
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                    irate Ken

                    Must do more than eliminate jobs. Millions of people are unemployed and they still come here. Too easy to come here, have anchor babies, and collect welfare, AFDC, WIC, food stamps, subsidized housing, free medical care, etc.

                    Don't need jobs if you can keep having anchor babies or work in a drug gang and make a living that way. Heck lots of employers hiring low wage, low skill labor don't even check status

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#8 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:15 PM EST
                    manzo75

                    Your comment is as stupid as the idea that all gringos as drug adicts, so please get yourself informed before throwing a comment like this...

                      #8.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:47 AM EST
                      Phil Johnson

                      Well all I know is nothing in my counties' whole court house is written in Spanish except for the welfare office. They even have a Spanish interpreter. It is no secret illegals love our government's assistance program. Hard working my ---!

                      • 4 votes
                      #8.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:41 AM EST
                      PragmaticToAFault

                      Some are hard working, some aren't. Some work hard at breaking the law. Which is all largely beside the point.

                      There needs to be prood of citizenship for welfare, section 8, food stamps, etc. Period.

                      CA couldn't bring themselves to do it, and they're $25 billion in the hole.

                      Cause ----> Effect. Very simple.

                      • 4 votes
                      #8.3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:45 PM EST
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                      ttard-866623

                      Borders,Language and Culture, now where have I heard that before. Oh yeah, that other conservative radio commentator who is not part of the Fox brigade. The one no one can mention. The one banned in Britain. A country is not a country without the 3 things mentioned above. Dare I say the name. Thank-you Michael Savage. Oh, and by the way, change the 14th amendment to get rid of anchor babies.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#9 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:16 PM EST
                      irate Ken

                      We don't need immigration reform, just enforcement of current immigration law.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#10 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:17 PM EST
                      LFS-765170

                      WE DO NEED immigration reform---and the reform should be used against those people who DON'T or WON'T enforce the current immigration laws.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#11 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:22 PM EST
                      Spooky-1303960

                      “Party Crashers” had five-year relationship with Obama before state dinner

                      http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17310

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                      WeWhile the big gun media and American Secret Service are out there investigating “party crashers” Tareq and Michaele Salahi, no one’s telling the truth: Obama knew the Salahis when he was still an Illinois senator do know for a fact that among the slew of memberships on charitable boards, Tareq Salahi is a former member of The American Task Force on Palestine (ATFP). The only way to know for a fact is because even though ATFP scrubbed all references to Salahi as a board member, he can still be found on Google cache. (Canada Free Press)

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#12 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:26 PM EST
                      C.A. Powell

                      Uh-huh, Sure, Right...The damage is already done, And I vote we invade Mexico the way they have us, Change thier laws and traditions, And do what ever we wish across thier boarder

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#13 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:50 PM EST
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                      John-1236467

                      Border Patrol along the southern border is the most dangerous law enforcement job in the country. We need to completely close the borders.

                      • 10 votes
                      Reply#14 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:51 PM EST
                      retired40

                      Get our National Guard out of foreign countries and put them on the border, and shoot to kill everyone who comes across .

                      • 8 votes
                      Reply#15 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:52 PM EST
                      doubtful-342407

                      Good old USA, finally doing something about the immigrants, What took so long!?I think they aught to make all drugs legal, and get rid of all the dealers in the process!!

                        Reply#16 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:52 PM EST
                        StopUSAGiveaway-476641Deleted
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                        winsettz

                        We should allow immigrants to "work" for citizenship by manning the frontier. For example, those from desert-like countries can monitor our frontier and use their desert tracking skills to find people. Alternatively, actively seek out Native Americans and those who are familiar with the area for employment with the Border Patrol. I don't know how much good it does to send in people from the cities to patrol the country.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#18 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:00 AM EST
                        It's about time-1113208

                        If the border patrol is hanging out at the border looking for illegals they're in the wrong place.   I got about 50 just down the street for starters just hanging out everyday looking for day labor.........everyday.    Let me beat you to the question of how I know they're illegal.   Watching some guy for kicks screaming immigration and watch them go running (gotta be honest here and say it is funny as hell, but I gotta be honest and say it's sad as hell all at the same moment).  I'm not blaming Obama.......it's been like this in Houston for over a decade.

                        • 9 votes
                        Reply#19 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:01 AM EST
                        jtriggsDeleted
                        future-1093222

                        The more I read republicans comments the more I want to join liberals, republicans don't read and they are the most uninformed and empty headed I have ever seen, there is no way I can vote for this kind of mentality.

                          Reply#21 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:09 AM EST
                          Dream-292235

                          future-1093222

                          The more I read republicans comments the more I want to join liberals, republicans don't read and they are the most uninformed and empty headed I have ever seen, there is no way I can vote for this kind of mentality

                          UH HUH!!! So please tell us leftist. What is your solution? Let them continue to eat up local economies? Yes thats right. Do you even have a clue as to the expense of policing some of these gang ridden neighborhoods here in the U.S. Not to mention the drain they are putting on the health care systems of the affected states. Your kinder gentler approach of the left is what got us into this mess. If the U.S. were truly serious, then they would break all diplomatic ties with Mexico, Place bi-lingual signs all along the border reading. U.S. TERRITORY---DO NOT TRESPASS---USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED,,, and then enforce it... No one could not say they were not warned. The liberal news media would not be able to create slanted stories. It would be there for all to see.

                          • 4 votes
                          #21.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:27 AM EST
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                          future-1093222

                          Everyone has to be legal in this country, but we need to do one thing at a the time, first we need a strong public option so we know that we are not going be bankrupt when we get old and than we need to take care of binladen and than fix the immigration.

                            Reply#22 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:19 AM EST
                            danp1220

                            Uh, maybe we should try to improve education first. To late?

                            • 3 votes
                            #22.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:35 AM EST
                            janusz_stary

                            check your spelling, then comment

                            • 1 vote
                            #22.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:22 AM EST
                            PragmaticToAFault

                            Awesome, some liberal who can't construct a complete sentence is trying to make this thread about health care.

                            Here's one that's actually about health care. Go over there and make me laugh.

                            http://politics.newsvine.com/_news/2009/11/29/3562096-senate-set-for-health-care-overhaul-debate?commentId=10938665#c10938665

                            • 2 votes
                            #22.3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:51 PM EST
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                            Randilly

                            I think that these trackers need to start some kind of apprenticeship program, so their skills are not lost to the next generation. A Border Scout training program shouldn't cost much more then they are already spending for the fancy electronic 'bells and whistles'. And would be more cost effective.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#23 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:28 AM EST
                            Warchief#1

                            Figures.They can track smugglers along the border but can't track or catch the fence jumpers.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#24 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:28 AM EST
                            drake-740726

                            can we not just shoot them in the dessert then that will be our future oil

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#25 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:35 AM EST
                            Pifco

                            Drake,

                            The DEADLINE technique used at Andersonville during the civil war ought to work.

                            Step over the line and a sharpshooter takes care of it.

                            Ammo is cheap compared to a jeep just whack the creep........Burma Shave

                            W1AVW out

                            • 1 vote
                            #25.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:34 AM EST
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                            Steven Bannister

                            Give me 100 guys with rifles and illegal immigration WILL STOP FOREVER.

                            Ancient methods my a**....

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#26 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:57 AM EST
                            Andy Blackwood

                            Easy solution, create a 1 mile free fire zone along the border. Then, any US citizen that wants live target practice can have it, 24 hours a day, and let the US Government provide ammunition. It won't take long for word to get back to Mexico that it is not a real good place to be.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#27 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:24 AM EST
                            Mariela

                            If you would do all the hard work for a much higher pay this would drive all of your living expences way up the roof. Then you would be way down at he ladder, low income not able to pay for anything. See this is why the American economy needs this low pay workers so that you and I can afford our meals. Funny how 10 yrs ago or so before we came into this recession no one ever said much about this illegals. Its just now that you feel you dont need them. Just a little reminder how a huge lump of the US land once belong to to Mexico and forcefully taken away. Just a little end note the US is the last world power standing and who knows if we will ever get out of this ressecion. Could Mexico be a sleeping Dragon?

                            Why is it that people only focus on Mexicans when you have illegal Asians,Russians,Cubans,Central Americans,Africans, so much more.How racist. Mexicans were here even before the blacks and the whites treat blacks better than Mexicans.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#28 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:26 AM EST
                            takebackourcountry-1310714

                            The reason Americans only talk about Mexicans is because there isnt millions of illegal Russian, Asians or Africans crossing the atlantic. You also dont see Cubans floating on there kitchen tables across the atlantic. Ok you might see that every now and then. But we are getting invaded by thousands of mexican wetbacks a day and they are full of hatred for our beloved country.

                            • 3 votes
                            #28.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:57 AM EST
                            EverydayAmerican

                            Mariela- I don't know about who you hang around, but I have been saying for at LEAST 10 years that we need to stop ILLEGAL immigration before we lose our country. That's ALL illegals, NOT just Mexicans!

                            • 3 votes
                            #28.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:17 AM EST
                            Phil Johnson

                            I know plenty of people who were against illegal immigration 9 years ago. Also newsflash for Mariela, Mexican is a nationality not a friggen race. Funny thing is years ago plenty of Americans did the same jobs that illegal immigrants do now. There is a reason why high school kids now have a harder time finding work, illegals took it all! I remember going from farm to farm and having farmers tell me there was no work while they practically had a trailer court full of illegals on their land.

                            • 3 votes
                            #28.3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:57 AM EST
                            Dave from Iowa

                            And sadly,Phil, it is Republican business owners who decided 30 years ago that the hard working white man that bought a house and fed his kids and provided for his wife was making too damn much of MY hard earned money!

                              #28.4 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:27 PM EST
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