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Jurors defend verdict that led to Texas execution

Wed Dec 2, 2009 5:01 AM EST
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Jeff Carlton, Associated Press

FILE - This undated file photo provided by the Texas Dept. of Criminal Justice shows Cameron Todd Willingham who was executed in 2004 for setting fire to his Corsicana house, killing his 2-year-old daughter and 1-year-old twins. The 2004 execution, however, didn't end questions about the case. Fire investigator experts hired first by The Innocence Project and later by the Texas Forensic Science Commission concluded the original finding of arson was seriously flawed. Without that finding, prosecutors have admitted it would have been hard to win a death sentence against Willingham. (AP Photo)

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CORSICANA — David Martin is sickened by the suggestion that Texas executed an innocent man when Cameron Todd Willingham was put to death for setting a fire that killed his three children.

The veteran defense attorney represented Willingham at trial. He looked at all the evidence. And he has no doubt that his client deserved to die.

"I never think about him, but I do think about those year-old babies crawling around in an inferno with their flesh melting off their bodies," Martin said. "I think that he was guilty, that he deserved death and that he got death."

The 2004 execution, however, didn't end questions about the case. Fire investigator experts hired first by The Innocence Project and later by the Texas Forensic Science Commission concluded the original finding of arson was seriously flawed.

Without that finding, prosecutors have admitted it would have been hard to win a death sentence against Willingham.

But the reports have done nothing to change the minds of Martin and four jurors reached by The Associated Press in recent weeks, who all remain convinced Willingham set the blaze 18 years ago that killed 2-year-old Amber and 1-year-old twins Karmon and Kameron. They never heard from Willingham, who declined to take the stand in his own defense.

Prosecutors, meanwhile, called 17 witnesses, including the only experts to testify — both fire investigators who told jurors arson was to blame.

"All you can go on when you are on a jury is what is put before you," said one juror, Dorenda Dechaume, 39. "I stand by my vote — guilty."

At trial, the expert testimony was definitive. The county's assistant fire chief, Doug Fogg, testified that he found pour patterns and puddling on the floor, signs that someone had poured a liquid accelerant throughout the Willingham's home. Manuel Vasquez, the state fire marshal whose credentials as a 30-year veteran firefighter and investigator were established on the stand, was unequivocal in his condemnation of Willingham, saying the defendant "told me a story of pure fabrication."

"He just talked and he talked, and all he did was lie," Vasquez said.

The defense didn't present a fire expert of its own — for good reason, Martin said.

"We hired one ... and he said: `Yep. It's arson,'" Martin said. "It was really very, very clear what happened in the house. Everybody who saw it, of course, reached the same conclusion."

Yet in a report released in August, fire expert Craig Beyler, chairman of the London-based International Association for Fire Safety Science, wrote the analysis conducted by Vasquez was "nothing more than a collection of personal beliefs that have nothing to do with science-based fire investigation."

Two days before the forensic science commission was to consider the report, Gov. Rick Perry fired three members. The move has delayed the commission's investigation indefinitely and drawn accusations that Perry is trying to cover up a mistaken execution on his watch.

Jurors said there were other odd details that sealed Willingham's fate. Ronald Franks, a Corsicana Fire Department paramedic, testified he returned to the home a few days after the fire. He found Willingham, who complained that his dart set was either burned or stolen from the wreckage.

Then, Franks testified, Willingham told him investigators would likely find cologne in the floor samples they were testing. He told Franks "he had poured cologne on the floor because the children had liked the smell of that cologne." He said he had poured it from the bathroom through the hallway to where the children were found, Franks said.

Jurors also heard from Willingham's neighbors. They testified that as the house south of Dallas burned to the ground, he was crouched down outside, screaming. But they also said he moved his car away from the house while his children were trapped inside.

That detail chilled jurors, who inferred Willingham showed more concern for his car than his kids.

"There was evidence of a fire that was deliberate," said juror Henry Ponder, now 81. "Not getting the children out of the house. Getting the car out of the way. It was all there."

Martin's case was brief, with just two witnesses. The first was the family baby sitter, who testified there was an oil lamp in the hallway, suggesting it might have spilled and spread flammable liquid. The second was a jail inmate, who was going to dispute the testimony of a jailhouse snitch who claimed Willingham had confessed. But the judge forbid most of his testimony as hearsay.

Willingham wasn't interested in explaining his behavior at trial. Outside the jury's presence, he took the stand to show for the record he had been advised of his right to testify.

"It's not that I don't wish to (testify), but I don't feel the need to," he said.

The jury returned its guilty verdict in 77 minutes.

"A lot of them wanted to vote right away," Dechaume said. "Me and two other people wanted to go over the facts of the case. It was unfair to go straight in there and decide. We went through everything we could have. All I can go by is what I had seen then."

Both Martin and co-counsel Robert Dunn, who did not return a message from the AP, are experienced attorneys who have represented clients in several capital murder cases. One of Willingham's five appeals claimed he didn't receive adequate legal representation, an argument repeatedly rejected by several appeals courts.

"God forbid that somebody was executed who was innocent. Nobody wants that to happen," Martin said. "But for somebody so obviously guilty like Willingham — it's a travesty to make it seem like it was something other than what it was."

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Tappy McWidestance

Even if Willingham was guilty, I have no doubt Texas has executed innocent people.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 8:55 AM EST
California Militia

No doubt. I would guess that every state at one time or another has executed a man (and maybe even a woman) who was innocent. No system is perfect.

Would you rather that he was given life in prison, then someone like a Huckabee releases him just so he can go on a cop killing spree later?

    #1.1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:32 AM EST
    silver163

    I more or less believe Texas doesn't care innocent or guilty or mentally retarded all must die now.

    • 3 votes
    #1.2 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 10:11 AM EST
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    BeeTee244

    An innocent man is dead, but I stand by my verdict? Doesn't make sense. There is something wrong with this person.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 8:58 AM EST
    ErinNJ

    The juror also said that the verdict was based on the information put before them at the time, so he stands by his verdict. If you serve on a jury, you can only vote based on the information presented at trial. So the juror standing by his verdict makes sense, because he voted based on what came out during the trial.

    • 4 votes
    #2.1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:17 AM EST
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    Carbonsteel

    This is why I don't like the death penalty. Our criminal justice system is just too flawed and I don't feel it can be trusted in the realm of execution. Too many innocents have been put to death.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:07 AM EST
    Todd-651965

    Find a better justice system, I dare ya! There are more legal safeguards here in the USA than anywhere else in the world. Death penalty or not. And for those of you that don't support the death penalty, what is your idea? Is it better to keep someone locked away for the rest of their life with no hope of ever getting out? What is more cruel than that? If somebody cannot be rehabilitated into a productive member of society, they should be terminated. But I also think rapist should be raped and child molesters should be castrated and branded.

      #3.1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:30 AM EST
      Carbonsteel

      I agree with you to an extent. Our legal system is one of the best in the world, but like man, it is flawed and I just cannot support the death penalty when we know for a fact the innocent people have been put to death.

      As far as rapists and child molesters, I'm all on board with that.

      The primary problem with violent criminals isn't so much with the death penalty but with letting these thugs loose instead of keeping them locked up.

        #3.2 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 10:02 AM EST
        JustDucki

        Several inmates I've asked have all stated that, if given a choice, they'd rather have the DP than a LWOP sentence. If our goal is punishment, why give them what they'd want? The last execution here was of a man who stopped his appeals and stated that his crime had been so terrible that, "he could not bear to live with the memory of it" and wanted to die. NO! Why offer an out? He raped and killed a child...make him live with that for the rest of his natural life.

        We don't have to let people out. We need to be careful about sentencing juveniles to life, but for adults? They can remain locked up. If they truly have reformed then they can still find ways to live a positive and productive life - behind bars. They can teach, work, lead ministries, etc and make a contribution but that does not mean freedom should be granted. We stay safe, people get punished...and innocent people don't get executed.

        • 1 vote
        #3.3 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 10:36 AM EST
        Florida_kes

        What is more cruel than that?

        Being executed when you're innocent.

        • 1 vote
        #3.4 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 11:03 AM EST
        Todd-651965

        If it's life without parole then make it an absolute punishment. Bread & water, forced labor, no comforts, etc. I have a problem with bogging down the prison system with inmates getting better care and more rights than I have as a soldier. I don't care about their civil rights once they've been tried and convicted. I also think prison should be reserved for the worst types of crimes, not the petty stuff. Community service punishments would be a more effective means to rehab petty offenders.

        Hey Florida, being executed is only cruel for an instant. Being locked up with no hope is cruel for a lifetime...

        • 1 vote
        #3.5 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 11:51 AM EST
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        BelindaK

        I think the man moving his precious car out of the way while his children were burning to death is rather damning. This is not normal behavior. I can assure you if my children were burning to death, I wouldn't give a @!$%# about my car. Obviously, that is not enough to find someone guilty, but it is very telling.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:36 AM EST
        rtg-

        That's what I couldn't get out of my head either. Also, a man who just lost his 3 little children wouldn't be worried about a dart set, unless he simply didn't care that his children were dead. It may not be dna evidence, but it sure sounds like a guilty, conscious-less killer.

          #4.1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 2:52 PM EST
          BelindaK

          Precisely! His behavior was extremely odd and indifferent to the fate of his children. The dart board thing was pretty creepy too. His actions were consistent with those of a guilty person who apparently didn't even feel any remorse for what he did. Again, not solid evidence, but very damning.

            #4.2 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 3:01 PM EST
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            JustDucki

            I do think about those year-old babies crawling around in an inferno with their flesh melting off their bodies," Martin said.

            Really? They were crawling around while their skin was falling off? Wouldn't they have suffocated long before they could crawl through flames? I'm not saying their death is not a horrific tragedy but this statement is over the top and sounds like it was made just to get a good sound byte on the news.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#5 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:43 AM EST
            ettenna

            Why does it take 5 years for a forensics report to become available?

            Yes, Those babies/people would have died of smoke inhalation long before the flames reached them. The media again looking for the "WOW" factor.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#6 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:50 AM EST
            ettenna

            Strike the above ?. I reread the article and find that it is confusing. Sentences tend to lead a reader in a direction that is less than logical.

            My apologies for spouting prior to reflective examination.

              #6.1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 10:00 AM EST
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              judi fermanich

              I am in agreement about the possible execution of the innocent. We do allow so many degrees of review, however; that at least the attempt is made to be accurate. In the case of rapists and pedaphiles, I too, think they should have severe punishments but keep in mind that many have been abused in the same way and they think that is the way it should be. So I do not think they would feel the same way as you and I, at receiving such a punishment.

              In the situations where someone has said "I am a different man, I have repented". Ahh, I question that as well. See, in prison, there are few books available to them. Law libraries where they study their cases. And bibles, there are many available. So, in prison, one set up is readily available. Once out. well, we know being in the general population is a whole other animal and few former prisoners can resist the lure of recurrance. So do we keep these people in prison, where we know they cannot commit these horrendous crimes, or do we kill them, to insure, at least in those cases; that they cannot recommit a crime of that magnitude?

              I think they should have to stay in prison until the end of their sentence. I think judges use much leaway and that offers options to parole boards that we did not intend. And in the end, since I believe in heaven and hell; I think their final sentence is carried out after death. True repentence and heaven vs repeat offending and hell. That, I leave to God.

              But we have the right and responsibility to try to protect the general public while we are alive.

                Reply#7 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 10:26 AM EST
                George Myers-150923

                I would think that babysitter must have been very qualified to watch over the 1 2 yr old and 2 1 yr old twins. The testimony to the oil lamp in the hallway is frightening, "flashover" in confined spaces like hallways and small rooms are extremely quick and devastating I've seen on Court TV and elsewhere, once from the vicinity of the busiest fire house in NYC, in the South Bronx, about where the current Capitol Dome was forged by Janes and Kirtland for President Lincoln for a tad over $1million w/ assembly. Maybe they should put up a sign, the first dome(s) were wooden.

                  Reply#8 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 10:36 AM EST
                  BelindaK

                  I really don't have an opinion as to whether the guy was guilty. Based on his behavior, it seems like he was guilty. However, the fact of the matter is we know there are innocent people in prison and we know there are innocent people on death row. Just look at the number of people who are being released. For that reason, I am against the death penalty. I would rather lock people up for life than take the chance on executing an innocent person. At least if they are alive they can continue to fight their conviction. In the cases of many of the people being released, it has now been proven that the prosecutor knowingly railroaded them. It's sickening to think about.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#9 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 11:35 AM EST
                  judi fermanich

                  BelindaK, why is it we do not hear of the prosecutors being prosecuted for conducting cases in a wrongful manner? They have subverted law. They have railroaded an innocent person, for their own reasons, shouldn't they be in a court of law, as a defendant? Shouldn't they be tried and punished as lawbreakers? I have never heard of it happening but shouldn't it happen every time?

                    Reply#10 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 11:42 AM EST
                    BelindaK

                    Absolutely, they should be prosecuted. There is a case right now in the SCOTUS regarding one of these cases. Unfortunately, prosecutors are given unlimited immunity, which is utter bull@!$%#. They should not have immunity if it can be proved they railroaded someone. I'm really anxious to see what the ruling on this is going to be. I'm so disgusted by all of the prosecutorial misconduct cases that are coming out.

                      #10.1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 12:05 PM EST
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                      godendoder666

                      These despicable cockroaches of the jury should get life for manslaughter if not murder. These loathsome morons are immorality personified, they have no place roaming free in our society.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#11 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 11:49 AM EST
                      judi fermanich

                      godendoder, you mistakenly believe the jury should be incarcerated or killed for making a decision based on facts presented. That is wrong headed thinking.

                      We are talking about prosecutors and those involved in that prosecution who knowingly withhold or worse, fabricate "facts" to convince a jury that they are in the right, rather than pursueing information that could free an innocent. That is what we think is wrong. That is what should be included in law; the prosecution of those sworn to uphold the law and they subvert law to reach their own ends instead of justice.

                        #11.1 - Wed Dec 2, 2009 12:08 PM EST
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