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Job losses send disability claims soaring

Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:03 AM EST
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Elkhart resident Michael Spratt talks about his on-going health issues Wednesday, December 9, 2009 that resulted in his being laid-off this year. Spratt has limited use of his shoulder as well as other injuries that leave him unable to work.

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— ELKHART, Ind. - With an aching shoulder and sore hip, Michael Spratt figured he’d have to apply for disability benefits someday. He just didn’t think that day would come so soon.

The 57-year-old was laid off from his job unloading chemicals from tanker trucks at the Rollie Williams Paint Spot in Elkhart, Ind., in January. The work involved some heavy lifting, and Spratt said that over the past couple of years he couldn’t do it without assistance.

“Without the help, I couldn’t have worked. The company, they more or less put up with me, because I worked there for 20 years. But it got to the point where if I had to work by myself, I wouldn’t have been able to do it,” Spratt said.

With business slowing, Spratt found himself out of a job along with more than a dozen colleagues. He doesn’t fault his old bosses for letting him go.

“I look at it as a blessing, because I know’d the day was coming that I’m not going to be able to work anymore,” he said.

Now, along with millions of other Americans, he’s turning to the disability system for support, creating an unexpected surge in applications.

According to the Social Security Administration, which runs the two main federal disability programs, new claims for disability benefits rose nearly 17 percent nationwide in fiscal year 2009, to 3 million. Disability filings are projected to rise another 10 percent in fiscal 2010, to 3.3 million new claims.

These applicants aim to join the roughly 12 million Americans who received disability benefits at a total cost of $161 billion in fiscal year 2009, according to the latest figures from Social Security.

‘A big mess’
Advocates and officials say the rising claims are driven by two main factors: the aging of the baby boomer generation and the slumping economy.

“The average age of disability we see nationwide is 50, so the baby boomers have already reached their peak years of disability. That by itself has been driving up volume big-time over the past decade,” said Jim Allsup, founder and CEO of Allsup Inc., a national disability representation firm. “Then they just went into the stratosphere because of the recession.”

With so many new claims being filed, Allsup is worried that the Social Security system can’t handle them all.

“Basically, it’s a big mess,” he said.

Michael Astrue, commissioner of the Social Security Administration, understands the frustration of Allsup and others who help disability applicants navigate the system.

“If I were in their shoes, I’d be concerned too,” Astrue said, acknowledging that his organization doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to processing claims in a speedy and efficient manner. In some parts of the country, disability applicants can wait years before they get a final decision.

“Where we’re having the biggest problems are states that have a combination of two things: One, the economy is very bad; and two, the state has embraced furloughs," Astrue said. "California, Wisconsin, Ohio are three of the states where we’re really struggling now.”

To help the most overloaded offices, Astrue has beefed up hiring and created special strike teams. There are also plans to open seven new hearings offices by the middle of next year. Still, he admits, it may be a while before the system reaches full capacity.

“Part of the difficulty is these are highly technical, difficult jobs,” Astrue said. “The people we hired over the summer won’t be fully trained and productive for the most part until next summer. So we’re still struggling and limping a bit."

Never been busier
In economically hard-hit northern Indiana, a person with questions about the disability claims process need not look far for answers — the airwaves are peppered with advertisements from lawyers offering to help people apply for benefits.

Attorneys in the field say they’ve never been busier.

“In our practice we have had the largest increase this year in new clients that we have ever had," said Gary Davis, a disability lawyer in La Porte, Ind. "Part of that is because our practice is growing. But probably a bigger reason is because of the economics in our area.

“Let’s say you worked at an RV factory for 20-25 years and you lose your job and you’re 50 or 55, it’s almost impossible to find another job,” Davis said. “Many people that age of course do have serious impairments — they are diabetic, they have heart disease, whatever their impairments might be."

But Astrue, the Social Security commissioner, said many applicants who have held jobs recently may not wind up being approved, unless their medical problems are found to be truly serious.

“Certainly you would expect that we would have a much lower allowance rate for people in that category with recent work history, where the problem may really be economic rather than medical,” Astrue said.

‘Nobody going to hire me’
Not long after being laid-off from the Paint Spot, Spratt filed an application for disability benefits.

He said that his ailments, including a right shoulder on which he had multiple surgeries in the mid-1990s, won’t allow him to get another manual labor job. And with just a 9th grade education — Spratt says he went to work full-time at the age of 15 after his parents got in an accident — he’s not a prime candidate for retraining for an office job.

“Ain’t nobody going to hire me,” he said.

He said a recent visit to the doctor brought some bad news.

“I just went to the doctor and found out I need the right shoulder replaced and the hip,” he said, his voice breaking. “I can’t afford that.”

To deal with the discomfort, Spratt is on prescription painkillers.

“They just upped me. I’m supposed to take three Vicodin a day, but I don’t. I don’t like taking it.”

In mid-October, Spratt got word that his claim for benefits had been rejected, so he signed up with a lawyer and is working on an appeal, a common step in the claims process.

Spratt’s attorney, Robert Rosenfeld, said that until the recession hit, many employers retained people with disabilities by making certain allowances for them.

“If you’ve got somebody who is a marginal employee but is trained and can do what you need him or her to do, they’ll keep them, they’ll make accommodations, they’ll allow excessive absenteeism,” he said. “When you lose the orders, when you lose the business, when you don’t need the employees … you keep the folks who can work 40 to 50 hours a week at a full productive rate. And the folks who were marginal at best get dropped. These are folks who probably qualified for disability but they were working, because they are good solid hardworking folks.”

Twists and turns
In order to get federal disability benefits, claimants must show they are unable to work due to a medical condition that is expected to last at least one year or result in death, according to the Social Security Administration.

It’s a high bar that few applicants meet at the initial application stage, when nearly two-thirds of claims are rejected. Those that are approved tend to be obvious cases — a person in a coma or someone with terminal cancer, attorneys say.

The next step is a “request for reconsideration,” which involves a review of the initial decision. It takes, in general, a few months, and roughly 14 percent of those who seek a review get the original decision overturned, according to Social Security.

The third, and for many applicants the most significant step, involves an in-person hearing before a judge, who must verify the legitimacy of the claim and where new evidence can be introduced. Roughly 55 percent of applicants who push on to this stage see benefits granted.

“It’s the one and only time that an individual who is seeking benefits sits down with the person making the decision,” Rosenfeld said.

It’s also the stage where people who can least afford it hit the longest snags. Applicants who seek a hearing in Dayton, Ohio, face an average wait of 635 days, the worst in the country. Another Ohio city, Columbus, is just behind, with an average processing time of 629 days. The national average is 491 days.

Rosenfeld said this can spawn some tough conversations with clients.

“The good news is we are going to get a hearing, the bad news is it might not be for two years. They say, ‘Well how do I survive?’ I don’t have an answer,” Rosenfeld said.

While some claimants may have significant savings or a spouse who works, others, like Rosemarie Grimm of Goshen, Ind., survive by tapping every source of income they can find.

While waiting for her hearing date, which came earlier this year, Grimm, 50, pieced together an existence by relying on her live-in boyfriend’s disability benefits (he lost one of his arms in 1996, she says), their 8-year-old son’s disability benefit (because he was a dependent of her boyfriend, the boy’s father, he got a monthly check too), food stamps, the Salvation Army and Elkhart County social services.

“When things got tough, I had to rely on different organizations to help. They’re real good out here like that,” Grimm said.

Many ailments, many medications
Grimm, who used to work as a waitress and hostess, initially filed for disability benefits in April 2007, claiming a variety of ailments. Her application was rejected, but nearly two years later, a judge granted her benefits, citing the following conditions: depressive disorder, anxiety disorder, degenerative disc disease, stenosis of the lumbar spine, bilateral carpal tunnel syndrome, status post fracture, shortening of the left wrist, fibromyalgia, erosive esophagitis, and more.

To deal with her many maladies, Grimm said she takes 15 medications each morning.

“I have them all in a row. You just get used to it after a while,” she said.

While Grimm said it was tough to get by as she waited for a hearing date, she wound up being compensated in the form of “back pay,” or past due benefits. Social Security pays successful claimants from just after the estimated onset of their disability, not from the day they are finally approved.

In Grimm’s case, this added up to $51,000 — $35,000 for herself and another $16,000 for her son — based on her awarded benefit of $1,094 per month, she said.

“When I got the money I felt bad, because there are people out there that don’t have any jobs,” Grimm said. “I felt guilty.”

But Grimm said friends urged her to put away her shame and reward herself and her family for their many years of doing without. So she paid ahead the family’s rent and a life insurance policy, and then bought new furniture for their small house on a busy road in Goshen, including three flat-screen TVs and a Sony Playstation, she said.

The family also owns two cars now — a 1994 Buick Park Avenue and a 1997 Ford Windstar — whereas they had none before, Grimm said.

‘Fair amount of judgment’
Cases where an applicant claims a combination of maladies as opposed to a single debilitating illness or condition have become increasingly common, according to Commissioner Astrue.

“We see a lot more combination of impairment cases, where people are alleging a lot of different impairments and saying the accumulated impact of all those impairments equals disability,” Astrue said. “A lot of these cases now involve a fair amount of judgment. It’s sort of a difficult looking into the soul of a person and trying to figure out, given the unique combinations of impairment this person has and the person’s vocational record, can we reasonably expect this person to work.”

“When Congress originally conceptualized the … disability program, it was an early retirement program for workers,” Astrue said. Congress expanded Social Security to include disability benefits in 1956. “What they had in mind were generally blue-collar workers, maybe 50-62 who had hurt their back on the job or that kind of thing and couldn’t work.”

While Spratt, the former paint shop laborer, awaits the reconsideration of his disability claims rejection, he and his wife get by on his $390 a month in unemployment benefits and her income from a waitressing job she’s held for more than 30 years at Elkhart’s Bulldog Restaurant, he said. The Spratts joke that she’s been there so long she’s been through at least one name change at the restaurant and an ownership change.

Even with his aching shoulder and bad news from the doctor about his hip, Spratt isn’t overly confident that his disability claim will wind up being approved.

“I don’t know. They say a lot of people are filing for it, so they might just say, ‘Well, no, you don’t qualify,’” he said. “You give the government money every year. Yet when you need the money, they ain’t going to give it back to you.”

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The Beev

This poor guy is a prime example of the type of individual who will get the shaft under the proposed health care plan. Doesn't matter he worked his body to the bone for 37-40 years, he now is a "non-contributer" no longer a cash cow for the gub'ments greedy paws to soak money from to pay for a large group of people who would rather suck off the gov's teat than actually go to work and do SOMETHING!

But now, under this anti-business, anti-free-enterprise regime... there's nothing out there to go to work for.

  • 24 votes
#1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:31 AM EST
The Colonel-964761

The Beev Nothing to add here. You've said it perfectly. Thanks.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:49 AM EST
Dee Rice

The Beev- You are wrong. This man would get help with the proposed health care plan by having continuing coverage. As for a disability claim, I believe if he is able to work, he should not be eligible for disability. I believe every person on disability should be required to reapply every year and be evaluated by a panel of doctors to prevent fraud and abuse. I think most of us can say we know of someone who collects disability that we believe can work yet still collects a social security check every month. I think there is far too much abuse and waste in this system.

  • 17 votes
#1.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:51 AM EST
jerry-319480

I think the best thing here. Is a tax break for small buisness. Thats the cure for everything.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:23 AM EST
Not a Socialist-1286940

I think those of us who have worked and paid into "the system" for decades should all now, en masse, develop some sort of malady or infirmity and all go on disability. We should try to get back at least SOME of our contributions, since Medicare isn't going to be around by the time we're eligible for it.

  • 11 votes
#1.4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:55 AM EST
jeff-813425

SSDI is a joke. i work in a prison and everyone in here was on SSDI at some point. i dont get it? if your back hurts, answer phones. im sure theres a job out there that he can do. as others. im sure there are some people who legitamitly need SSDI ive just never seen one. we shouldn't pay these people to stay home we should get them re-trained for a new job.

  • 13 votes
#1.5 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:02 AM EST
hometowngirl-510510

sorry i think most people on disability are simply lazy and trying to get out of doing anything, sorry but if your saying your achey then stop the manual labour and get an office job, back hurts - again office job, lost an arm, so you can still work - look at the program recently aired about people born with no arms, they dont let it hold them back - its all about whether you want to work or whether you want to stay at home and collect money out of working peoples paychecks - sorry i refuse to say government money because it isnt, its money from workers paychecks. there is very few types of disability that cannot work in some way.

i work with a guy in a wheelchair, paralysed from the waist down, yep he does an office job, also work with a guy who has hip dysplasia, cannot hardly walk and needs a cane but yep he can sit at a desk to, none of the people featured cannot work, they just cannot do their current job but they could do something else

also im really glad i got to buy that stupid womens 3 flatscreen tvs, 2 cars and a playstation - NOT

  • 14 votes
#1.6 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:08 AM EST
MtMike-571674

survival of the fitttest! how many fraud cases are out there trying to milk the "system"? are we are brothers keeper? tell wall street, cause main street can't afford what is happening, enlarging our grandchildrens debt!

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:48 AM EST
Lynn-410457

Not a socialist, Medicare doesn't have anything to do with disability. If you qualify for disability through SS, you get a monthly check, and that does not mean that you will qualify for Medicare. Only certain disabilities and illnesses do that. Research this and you will see that not many conditions get you Medicare or Medicaid right up. Many people will tell you also that you get denied automatically 3 times, and that is untrue also. There are some listings that you will be approved right away, such as some cancers and things of that nature.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:49 AM EST
ywonder29

People on disability are only approved if their own work record gives them enough credits in the Social Security System to collect. It is not paid for by other workers. People with terrible medical issues who never worked at a taxable job don't qualify. For example: My mother-in-law was repeatedly refused disability because she had worked for years as a daycare provider to friends and neighbors, but was never licensed. Because there was no record of her working, when she needed a back operation, had a double mastectomy due to breast cancer, and has diabetes - none of that was taken into consideration. It is all based on your work record and not whether you can or cannot work. You still have to prove all the medical ailments with doctors records, etc. I do know people abuse the system, but that comment about "lazy" people on disability is unfair.

    #1.9 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:58 AM EST
    Longhair

    jeff-813425 & hometowngirl-510510: By your responses, it is quite obvious that you never worked physically demanding labor that caused a back injury.

    I have been dealing with back problems for over 13 years and for the last 3 of those years, the damage is so serve that I am not able to sit or stand for periods longer than 10 to 15 minutes. It is not just a case of "I have a pain in my back" either. My legs and feet are negatively effected due to damage in the nerves.

    Now I am young enough and smart enough to get a degree from a University that offers on-line course except for one minor detail - I cannot afford it. If I was able to afford school, I would be in the position that I am in today.

    It is also easy for both of you to tell people to get an office job because you ignore the fact that there are literally thousands of people who go to secretarial school to learn how to type, write short hand, answer complex phone systems, etc.

    • 8 votes
    #1.10 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:06 AM EST
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    jmonarchy

    Horse shart. This guy is feeling the repurcussions of policies that were put in place over the last 10 years. US Companies getting rewarded for moving their manufacturing jobs off shore because the folks, REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT, thinking global economy is good for the US. It's not. We sale very little to other nations that is produced here. We are or were the world consumers. This guy's plight has not a damned thing to do with Obama. Tax breaks would be relief but it ain't gonna produce jobs, Jerry. The consumer drives the demand for goods and services and the consumer is strapped. So this mass movement to get "On the Check" will be what the beaurocrats have moved us towards since Reagan; off the pot and coke and onto the Oxycontin addiction. JT, the government did not intercede or interfere for 8 years, so what in the hell do you attribute the economic and unemployment havoc to? That statement is like the guy that continually runs face first into his sliding glass door; it's stupid and you'd think something would sink in. And, as always, I will ask you; What in the hell did Ron Reagan do as a President? He was a wonderful fellow but his policies were ignorant as hell, he took white out to the constitution and nothing good can be attributed to his 2 terms. The Berlin wall came down but the USSR was in dire straits and Gorby was the right guy at the right time.

    • 5 votes
    #1.12 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:11 PM EST
    jeff-813425

    LONGHAIR. if you read my entire post then you would know that i did advocate for re-training. i would approve of spending goverment dollars to send you to school. i would rather teach you to fish, as it were. then you could work and take care of yourself. its lifetime SSDI that i have an issue with.

    your other assumptions about my work history are way off base. you cant grow up in Maine without taking on some manual labor. ive worked on farms, state parks, and road crews.

    None of the secretaries were i work have had any schooling.

    • 1 vote
    #1.13 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:28 PM EST
    dennis-850400

    Where, in god's name, have you come under the impression that health care reform will hurt the poor guy? I cannot fathom why so many people have come under the impression that a return to trickle down economic policies will solve our problems and help the "poor" as you put it. When have the Republicans ever helped the common man? Reagan won't get it. Only a fool will not accept that we have come to a point that our future as a world power depends on us accepting the fact that we must strike a balance between Free Enterprise and Socialization in order to survive. To continue our belief that Capitalism alone will save us is the refuge of fools.

    • 3 votes
    #1.14 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:08 PM EST
    Where is America?-1111673

    I've paid into the system for years and never asked anything of it. If someone is genuinely disabled, they should get what they paid in for.

    With that said, there are so many people who have manipulated the system for years too. I work with a gal that knows the in's and out's of how to get what she can from the government entities. She is a master of the system. It has been inbred in her from an early age, and from the environment that she grew-up in.

    Mr Dennis believes that we have come to the place where we must accept "Socialization in order to survive". While it would be great to believe that somehow the evil aspect of socialization would be removed, it's naive to think that the government looks out after things better that the private sector.

    I tend to believe the exact opposite. We don't need bigger government... we need smaller government. When the catch-word "Change" was brought to the forefront, it meant change for the worse. Not that there is anything wrong with the word... just the implementation from the top.

    If we really want "Change", it needs to come through less government intervention in the private sector, and a more lean government payroll! They just continue to spend us into oblivion with money that does not exist... and promises that will not materialize from the bills that have been passed. We continue to become more and more socialistic by the day. Has it dawned on us yet that the Capitalism has been degrading slowly but surely for the last 45 years?

    The government takes from working individuals... puts it into it's coffers... distributes it out into programs that it was not intended for... borrows from it... and continues to demand more. They get mad at bankers for not lending in a time when the risk is so high, and there is no promise for a return, and they keep on investing where there is no return!

    I pity those who are physically strapped... and those who are not but are strapped in the sense of "opportunity lacking".

    We need change all right... a change to the Capitalistic formula that creates rather than restricts! It's not going to come from this group... and nothing has been revealed on the horizon. Just a call for change in the 2010 elections... but to who?

      #1.15 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:43 PM EST
      sunnybunny1269

      Longhair - is that what you think people in offices do? People in offices do just what you are doing right now literally. We also answer phones & take messages and read and answer e- mails etc. Most of us do it even though we are crazy AND our backs hurt (sitting at a desk all day will do that to you). Personally I would prefer to do something physical, but those jobs are not available. This is the 21st century after all.

      • 1 vote
      #1.16 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:01 PM EST
      Muerkier

      I got tired of seeing people get disability because they act crazy. I can't tell you the number of people I booked in over 20 plus years in Law Enforcement that were all on Disability ..... for Depression or Mental Instability. They would intentionally go to a store .... take something ... wave it around in front of the cameras .... stick it in their pants and walk out .... slowly. We even had people who would walk back into the store and wave the object around again and walk back out (when they didnt get caught the first time) ... then wait for store security and the police to come get them. They needed to go to jail so they could "Act out" (Suicide Attempts for the Depression people and Unruly and aggressive behavior for the Mental Instability types) and get this behavior documented so their lawyers could supeona the records for their re-evaluations so they could continue to get their checks. (Those two types of disability require re-evaluations to continue their checks coming in). I kept a record for the longest time of the names of the people and the time frames they would come into the jail. It literally got to the point where instead of having to duck and dodge the @!$%# and piss (favorite tactic for the MI types) or have to extract clothes and linens from yet another fool who tied something around their necks ... but never attached to anything (the depression types) .... when they came in I started handing them pre-done letters as to the erratic behavior I had observed already. What was funny is that almost all of them would laugh and make a comment to the affect of ... "Yeah you know what I wanted, you saved yourself some trouble. " Its a sham and these people know how to play it. Makes me wanna puke.

      • 3 votes
      #1.17 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:40 PM EST
      Love it or Leave it

      I agree. The scammers make me want to puke, too. I know a woman who miraculously gets the symptoms of whatever has caught the attention of the media in the past few days. She's applied for SSDI. I don't object those who truly can't work to receive benefits. Even they have reviews every few years, if they are still alive.

      Check out the Disability forum on Craig's list and you'll see that people are asking more and more often about how to get on disability because they've lost their job. They are told (by the truly disabled on the forum) thatlosing your job is not a qualifying reason to receive SSDI and they often huff off, with a "Then how am I supposed to live?" The people I know who are on disability also lost or sold their homes, businesses, etc. to medical bills while they waited for a determination. It takes awhile, but when you are truly disabled, you will sell whatever you have to make your own way for as long as you can and pray along the way that you will receive a positive determination tomorrow. A SSDI check can be just under $700. (based on your wage average for the last 5 years of employment). Those people know they will live in poverty for the rest of their lives but when you are truly disabled and can not work, you have no choice.

        #1.18 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:56 AM EST
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        westbury64

        She gets $1,094/month and she goes out and buys THREE flat screen TV's??? Here we go again, people living beyond their means and then when an unexpected emergency happens, they have NOTHING.

        • 22 votes
        Reply#2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:34 AM EST
        Miss Sunshine

        She splurged a little, and how is that living beyond her means? She has purchased USED cars, and she paid into the system too! Did you forget that? If an unexpected emergency arises, hopefully she will have a little in saving, but she does have a life insurance policy, which kudos to her for that. Also, being a former social worker, when a person is on social security and they get their "settlements/back pay", if they are on SSI, which I suspect is the case here, she would only have 1 year to spend the money and can only have "X" amount of assets and up to $2000 in the bank, if I am not mistaken. So, I think she did just fine, and they went without for so long, and if you had to live on 1094/mo, wouldn't it feel like a holiday to have a flat screen TV?

          #2.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:08 AM EST
          Brew_City_Chick

          Don't forget 2 cars.....not 1 but 2 They only need one since no one seems to be working. Such BS!

          • 11 votes
          #2.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:35 AM EST
          Brenda-251440

          Social Security pays the back pay and then gives recipients 6 months to spend the money before they count it against them.

          • 1 vote
          #2.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:28 AM EST
          sickofit-1512553

          and instead of her buying the 3 flat tv's and 2 cars, she could have bought her OWN medical insurance! The problem many of americans without insurance is they CHOOSE NOT to have insurance and instead buys Ipods, flat screens, video games.

          • 1 vote
          #2.4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:50 AM EST
          Greg-281912

          My TV is 20 years old, for goodness sakes, and I've worked every day of the past 20 years, scrimping and saving! This lady bought 3 flat-screen TVs with MY TAX MONEY!

          I think the government should go in her house today, now, and take those TVs back!

          Sounds like fraud to me.

          • 4 votes
          #2.5 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:57 AM EST
          Brenda-251440

          If you have been on Social Security Disability or SSI, there is no way that anyone is going to sell you an insurance policy of any type dealing with medical or disability. I understand that you are angry, but get a grip.

          Greg, you make it sound like that woman never worked a day in her life.

          • 1 vote
          #2.6 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:57 PM EST
          scar_tissue

          Y'all don't have a clue, do you? This woman's SSD is $1,094/mo. It took her so many years to get benefits that she got $35,000 in "back pay" b/c the law states you are eligible to collect SSD from the date of disability onset. Do some math & figure out how many years that meant she struggled to get by with no paycheck.

          You can't take any SSD "windfall" & actually save it. God forbid. It has to be spent. If within 6 mos of getting it a person still has "too much" left, they are ineligible for other types of assistance such as food stamps, HEAP, Medicaid, or that $100/mo Medicare pymt. What this woman is getting monthly is about average. The max is $2,000/mo, which is still only $24,000/yr. People who have worked low-paying jobs all their lives or become disabled at a younger age may get as little as $300/mo. So it doesn't matter if they get $35,000 (or more, or less) dumped into their bank acct one time. They will still be poor & struggling forever b/c of the restrictions placed on this income v. other benefits. Whether they spend it or save it, they still lose in the end. Where is the outrage that we allow disabled American citizens to live in poverty & despair when their bodies break down or they have an accident? In other countries the disability system is much better & no one is waiting the average of 2-6 yrs with several appeals & a lawyer scooping 1/3 right off the top to get it. SSD denials & delays are enriching the lawyers desperate people turn to for help, not the people themselves.

          As re: the cars, she wasn't thinking to buy 15 & 12 yr old vehicles that are going to be a drain until they die. She should've bought one brand new one. You do realize that cars made in 1994 & 1997 are old, don't you? They're POS beaters at this pt. It's a PITA to live without transportation constantly begging people for rides to the grocery store or the pharmacy or a dr appt. I suppose you would've preferred for her to not have a vehicle at all & have her dole out gas money to others? Makes no sense. Independence is very important for the disabled. It keeps them out of assisted living & nursing homes where the bite out of "your tax dollars" would be much more.

          It's obvious no one who's commented nastily here knows anyone who's gone thru this process. It's not just "your tax dollars". It's their tax dollars as well. Everyone gets that FICA deduction from their paychecks. What, are you all jealous that she was able to collect on what she paid in & you can't? You don't want to be on 15 medications & in constant unrelenting pain. Anyone willing to pony up the funds for the gentleman in the story to have both his shoulder & hip replaced, plus the months of rehab after, plus support him during it, so that eventualy he could go back to work? You're kidding yourself if you think employers in this recession are going to hire the disabled. If they have little education, you rank on them for being stupid like it's his fault he had to leave school & go to work at age 15 to support his parents; if they have an education, you'd rank on them for being fakers who can be retrained to sit on their a$$. Someone mentioned a parapeligic guy in their workplace....his back will never hurt from sitting all day b/c he's paralyzed. The trade-off is he can't walk.

          Do you even know what some of these conditions are? Herniated discs are extremely painful & if they bulge out enough they can pinch nerves. Nerve damage feels like your limb is on fire if untreated; even with meds it sometimes flares up. Degenerative disc disease literally means your spine is falling apart & can no longer support you properly whether you're sitting, standing, or lying down. Spinal stenosis means narrowing of the cavity that carries your nerves thru your spinal cords, which also causes pinching, tingling, burning. This is all non-stop pain & that is exhausting to deal with. The guy in the article has had vicodin thrown at him & he doesn't want to take it regularly; he's probably worried about becoming an addicted space cadet or can't afford it. He's actually doing himself a disservice b/c pain medication does more good if it's used before the pain becomes unbearable, but I bet no one bothered to explain it to him properly or he doesn't have the money for it if he has no ins to get 2 joints replaced. This guy has put over 35 yrs of manual labor none of you would sully your fingers doing into the system & you're going to call him lazy? Shame on you.

          • 3 votes
          #2.7 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:44 AM EST
          Super Ultra

          Great post scar. My father is currently living with degenerative disc disease and rheumatoid arthritis. One of his hips has already had to be replaced and he's only 57 years old. He isn't qualified for a desk job and he couldn't stay in one place that long without excruciating pain anyway. He's always worked and paid into the system, and I don't think it should let him down now.

          On the other hand, I know three different people who are perfectly physically able, who have never worked a legitimate job and who all collect SSI for various mental illnesses. One of them recently got off the SSI because she graduated from college and guess what? Found a job. This tells me that she wasn't so mentally ill that she couldn't work, she was just too mentally ill to take an unskilled job. Another one got on disability after his mother had him committed because he wouldn't hold a job and move out of her house. Now that he gets SSI, he sits around drinking and playing video games in a subsidized apartment that only costs him 100 dollars a month. The third went on SSI for depression and bipolar disorder at 16 after the birth of her 1st child. She has since had three more children who all get SSI checks for various health problems. She lied about her daughter having seizures...check one, the other one has asthma and was premature, check two, the third one ADHD(miraculously, they took that one away when the child was found to be an honor student with no apparent learning problems by the school) and the fourth one was premature (probably exacerbated by the mother's admitted cocaine use) and he has RSV, check four. Until I talked to her, I was unaware that they pass out checks to people so easily. I've known really disabled people who waited forever to be approved. That sort of abuse kind of makes me sick. It's not that I don't think people who are mentally ill should get SSI, it's just that someone should make sure they're really ill. How do people with terrible disabilities get shunted aside because someone's kinda depressed?

            #2.8 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:51 PM EST
            Love it or Leave it

            Scar tissue, when I read that she blew the money on TV's, I, too, thought WTF??? And I know from whence I speak! She could have supported herself very well with that amount of money for longer than a year. (Plus her boyfriend and son receive, too! How much money does she think she needs anyway?) But she knew if she spent it, she would qualify for other programs. THAT is why SSI and SSDI recipients get looked down upon. It's people like her that give the rest a bad rap!!

            I know people on SSDI who receive much less than $1000/m and because they have learned to be thrifty, can live comfortably on that amount. YES!!! I said comfortably!!! Of course, I understand it depends on where you live. They happen to live in rural MN.

            There ARE too many scammers in the disability system, and I fear for my friends' benefits being cut because it sounds like more scammers have taken their place in the line.

              #2.9 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:06 AM EST
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              Carolyn-1518998

              I had severe spinal stenosis and had surgery to try to correct it. It failed, I applied for disability in March 2003 and was appoved and received my first check in July 2003, by direct deposit. Sometimes the system works. I only had a 12 year work history but managed to have enough quarters to qualify for SSD. I receive $813 per month and was under 60 when payments began. I went on Medicare 24 months after the SSA approved my claim. So you see, sometimes the rules are followed and someone benefits from the system. I certainly did. I have excellent health insurance, Medicare and Tricare for Life as my husband is retired from the Air Force. No, this is not bragging and thumbing my nose and saying "neener neener I have it better off than you", but merely to let you know sometimes it works.

                Reply#3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:43 AM EST
                welfare leaching

                my cousin is on dissability,that means he has a bad drug problem and can`t seem to get off the couch.But the sad thing is his daughters have been getting government checks since they were 13.Now they are 21, still never worked a day in their life,mother of 2 and also hooked on drugs.Dissability is like CRACK for these people,instead of striving for themselves, they strive for welfare.

                Here`s a question---One of the daughters invited my wife and I to Las Vegas this spring,I can`t afford it because I work,and feed myself,should I go or am I just contributing to her sorryness?She said she (us taxpayers)would pay for the flight,but it just seems wrong.

                Please post what you think,and I`ll call her on her free government cell phone to let her know my answer.

                • 14 votes
                #4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:46 AM EST
                westbury64

                Those are the kinds of people that Liberals think don't exist. They seem to think everyone on welfare, disability, unemployment, etc. is a person that is just down on their luck and would rather be working. We all know from experience that it is not true. Many people are perfectly content NOT working. We need to get the fraud out of all these programs so that the people who need it, get it, and the taxpayers don't get bankrupted.

                • 13 votes
                #4.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:11 AM EST
                conkillersDeleted
                westbury64

                That's your reply????? Fraud in the welfare system is okay because there's also fraud with rich people? You're the type who defends Obama's big spending with "well Bush ran up the deficit too" argument. How does that help the country? Two wrongs don't make a right!!

                • 13 votes
                #4.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:29 AM EST
                mickeymouse-1446349

                the 21 year old must have got her own claim approved. dependant children benefits stop at 18. i know of peeps who were denied benifits who could not work.the system is flawed.

                • 2 votes
                #4.4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:44 AM EST
                westbury64

                The people who truly need the help can't get it but the career leachers who know how to "work" the system have no problem finding and getting all the freebies.

                • 16 votes
                #4.5 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:47 AM EST
                R. Gordon-1064717

                You know in order to get a job you need to pass a drug test, but in order to get disability/welfare you don't need to pass a drug test?? What is up with that?? I hate how America, once the greatest nation in the world, has become a welfare state!

                • 14 votes
                #4.6 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:08 AM EST
                hometowngirl-510510

                sorry but being a druggie should be reason for disability, neither should being an alcoholic or a fattie, sorry all 3 are choices made and can be stopped if you choose, so if you choose to make yourself unable to work then the taxpayer should be able to choose not to give you a dime.

                • 8 votes
                #4.7 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:11 AM EST
                baby turtle

                I absolutelyagree that drug testing should be a part of welfare and disability insurance requirements. Why that hasn't happened yet I can only attest to it being costly.

                • 9 votes
                #4.8 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:34 AM EST
                westbury64

                Being costly???? Are you kidding??? The reason it hasn't happened is because the ACLU and the rest of their Liberal cronies scream "invasion of privacy" if someone so much as mentions drug testing. Political correctness and Liberalism will be the downfall of this country.

                • 7 votes
                #4.9 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:37 AM EST
                Lynn-410457

                Don't go, you would be contributing to her sorriness. You might want to call SS and tell them also. Many areas of the country and my state is one, are plagued with Meth, crack and oxy addicts. My solution is before you are awarded disability, you have to have failed rehab 3 times before you get it and then you have to have a qualifying medical illness, not just the drug addiction. Then people wonder why it is so hard to get disability, your scenario is one of the reasons.

                • 2 votes
                #4.10 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:53 AM EST
                Lynn-410457

                My husband retired from SS two yrs ago, and drug testing is one of the things they have to do if they apply. The amount of documentation by a medical professional and then the SS people is tremendous. They do not just hand out money frivously, like many of you think. Have any of you ever researched the requirements that have to be met before you qualify? They are not easy, but there are some people that do need this and qualify legitimately, regardless what some of you think. Don't make generalizations, as that is not the case.

                • 5 votes
                #4.11 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:56 AM EST
                genafan201

                Those are the kinds of people that Liberals think don't exist. They seem to think everyone on welfare, disability, unemployment, etc. is a person that is just down on their luck and would rather be working.

                Actually, Westbury, us liberals KNOW "these kinds of people exist". We just happen to believe that being on welfare, disability, unemployment, etc., does not necessarily equal being a "leech". Seems the right wants to believe EVERYBODY in these programs are bums...

                I for one would rather believe there are GOOD people out there, who WANT to work for their living, but circumstances being what they are, are not able to work jobs THAT PAY ENOUGH TO EXIST. That's the other thing the right seems to believe...getting a minimum wage job should be good enough. Problem with that is minimum wage won't pay for even a slum home, but it puts a person over the limit financially TO qualify for any assistance.

                • 7 votes
                #4.12 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:05 AM EST
                westbury64

                How convenient of you to paste only part of my comment. I went on to say that we need to get the fraud out of the system so that "people who need the help can get it". All of these social programs are good if they were used as intended. The reason we are going bankrupt is the ever increasing list of freebies being handed out without verification for whether the person truly NEEDS it.

                The govt should make unscheduled stops into Sec. 8 housing units and if the "single mom with a kid" has a man's clothes in her closets and men's products in her bathroom, we should cut off the aid.

                Young people on welfare should be put to work from 9 to 5 sweeping the streets or something. If they don't show up, they don't get a check...sort of like that thing called a job.

                WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING!!!

                • 3 votes
                #4.13 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:17 AM EST
                nanny-1033509

                i don't understand why you all think getting on disability is easy, and anybody who is lazy can do it, the amount of hoops people have to jump through is incredible. There is an automatic turn down for the first application. The forms that have to be filled out alone is several days work for each set that comes along. And there are a lot of sets that come along month after month. i know also that those who abuse the system are relatively few but seem to be the only ones that people know about. i am on disability, i worked very hard all my life, too hard because that is what damaged my body, besides my mental disabilities, also courtesy of the federal government, radiation poisoning. it took 2 and a half years and was another 2 years before i could get on medicare. My husband who is older than i suffered a heart attack, and was left with only 20 percent heart usage, tried to back to work and had another heart attack. For him to get on disability was an act of god. He had worked at 2 jobs for 35 plus years, so maybe his disability he paid for himself. i too, worked at 2or 3 jobs for many years so maybe i am paying for my own disability too. You all need to do some research before you make such sweeping statements. This article was a gross misrepresentation of what getting on disability actually is like.

                • 3 votes
                #4.14 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:24 PM EST
                mike-335327

                To Me what you are all missing is that it is estimated that 12 million people are currently getting SSI & SSDI benefits BUT how many of them are undocumented, ILLEGAL ALIENS who come here just soon enough to put an ANCHOR baby on the planet with ALL the UNALIENABLE RIGHTS available to the child as a US born citizen.

                THAT's where the system has gone haywire.

                Someone please tell me why these mothers are allowed to give birth here and to automatically qualify for SSI benefits for not only the child but themselves as well as the "caregiver"???? I would LOVE to hear just one of the commenters here try to justify this blantent abuse of the system.

                Someone commented about how hard it is to actually qualify for the SSDI part of the system and they are absolutely right. It is a 3 or more endless process of seeing doctors to get updated medical reports as well as paying out of pocket for these reports.

                I know someone who had to pay their own personal physician over 2 grand for an indepth 3 page report outlining the depth of their disability. My question is how is it ALLOWED for the doctors to charge so much money for their services at say $125. per 10 minute office visit or to then subsequently charge 2 grand for a final report.

                BUT AGAIN, if you come to this country illegally or cry spousal abuse, the system is right there to sign you up for WELFARE (SSI), medicaid (you pay NO DEDUCTABLE/SPENDDOWN), food stamps (highest amount available per family) and I believe OTHER rediculious benefits.

                The system is seriously broken, people in power know it but are powerless to stop or change it besically because of such a DIVIDED two party system.

                Nuff said.....

                • 1 vote
                #4.15 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:38 PM EST
                jeff-813425

                Nanny: if it takes so much paper work and phone calls to get on disability then dont you think those skills could be used on a JOB? if you can fill out paprerwork and make phone calls then you have meet the requirements for alot of jobs.

                • 7 votes
                #4.16 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:39 PM EST
                Peteman_R

                I'm a quadriplegic on disability. Getting SSDI was pretty simple for me since I am obviously unable to work. I'm paralyzed from the chest down. I have use of my arms but my fingers are paralyzed. I type with plastic sticks that slide on my hands.

                I used to be a computer programmer before my car accident but since my typing speed was reduced to a tenth of what it used to be, I was shut out of my job and pretty much all office jobs.

                I would really like to work. I'm working with my state's vocational rehabilitation department to see if there's something I can do. The problem is that I can't make more than $1,000 a month or else I will loose my disability and Medicaid.

                Disability isn't as great as some think it is.

                PS--It's taken me over an hour to type this post.

                  #4.17 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:05 PM EST
                  Sick of it all-846538

                  Just a quick rundown of why people lack the motovation to work:

                  Food stamps 660 per month

                  Rental assistance upto 1100 per month,

                  Cash assistance 326 per month,

                  Really good health insurance that is better than anything you could buy,

                  Daycare assistance 175 per week or 700 per month,

                  If you do own a home they will even fix it for you,

                  do i need to keep going WIC, free cell phones, free land lines, eye care, dental care, etc.

                  Many people realize that they will have it better on welfare and SSID than by working.

                  One last thing i guy that lived down the street form me was talking to me one day and mentioned that his goal was to get on SSID because then he wouldn't have to pay child support!! I sure he is not the only one to come up with that idea.

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.18 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:14 PM EST
                  Sick of it all-846538

                  Did i forget to mention big fat tax returns, eventhough when all is added up they make too much to qualify for most "welfare" programs. While the working joe that could use a few bucks so his heat isn't set at 55 degrees can't get squat.

                    #4.19 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:27 PM EST
                    scar_tissue

                    Yes, the disabled do have to pass drug tests on a random basis....are y'all new? By federal law, anyone who receives long-term pain medication (which would be the majority of people on SSD) has to be drug-tested regularly, whether actually on SSD or not. They are not notified when it will happen, their coats/purses are taken, their pockets are turned out, before they are handed the cup & let into the bathroom to pee in it. Y'all would squeal like indignant pigs if you were subjected to this, but people who are truly in pain have to comply or no meds for them.

                    So enough with the fairytales of the crackheads who get SSD for it. It doesn't happen. If anything than what they're supposed to be taking shows up, they get one chance at a 6-mo rehab stint. After that, kiss your prescription pain meds & your benefits good-bye if your crack pipe is so important.

                    And what planet are you from where the disabled file tax returns? That only occurs if they are enrolled in a back-to-work program & are trying to get off disability.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.20 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:56 AM EST
                    scar_tissue

                    Just a quick rundown of why people lack the motovation to work:

                    Food stamps 660 per month

                    Again, on what planet? You'd have to have 6 kids to get that much in food stamps.

                    Rental assistance upto 1100 per month,

                    Section 8 rental assistance generally has a 3-5 yr wait period, it has to be an inspected & "approved" bldg, & the only way the figure you state would be the "standard" would be if that was the area's "market rent" & people were allowed to take an apt that cost that much b/c there was nothing cheaper. Market rent in NY is $580. It is not "free". They pay a portion of the rent based upon their household income. So if Joe Blow is on SSD but his wife is working, they're not going to be eligible for this program.

                    Cash assistance 326 per month,

                    Wow. I bet I could really live the high life on that much money. Who would want to live on less than $100/wk if they didn't have to?

                    Really good health insurance that is better than anything you could buy,

                    Medicaid has so many limitations on it, it's not funny. A woman can't even get an IUD on it. Stick that nugget into the "if ya can't feed em don't breed em" argument. It's also not "free"; there are co-pays now b/c most MA programs are administered by HMOs contracted with the county of issuance.

                    Daycare assistance 175 per week or 700 per month,

                    You do understand that if daycare assistance is received, it's because someone is working? You make it sound as if people can just drop their kids off anytime they get sick of looking at them. Offering daycare assistance to welfare recipients often exceeds the cost of the welfare grant itself. But it lets social services play a numbers game where they can say they got X # of people off welfare b/c they're now working. Decide which it is you want....for them to work, or to sit on their a$$? You can't have both.

                    If you do own a home they will even fix it for you,

                    And slap a lien on your house so fast it would make your head spin. That means social services now owns an interest in your home & when the day comes that it's sold, they get their money back. It's not "free" as you imply. And it's only for major repairs such as a dead furnace or a leaky roof. No one's getting their kitchen remodled.

                    do i need to keep going WIC, free cell phones, free land lines, eye care, dental care, etc.

                    WIC is for pregnant women only, so that they receive some proper nutrition while pregnant & don't end up with a disabled infant who will be a further drain on social services. It is also for children under the age of 2 to assist in the most critical period of child development. The WIC voucher says exactly what can be purchased & no more. It lists things like formula, milk, fortified cereal, cheese, peanut butter, & eggs. There are no "free land lines"; there is a thing called "Lifeline" which can get a person a discount & that is an income-eligible program that many folks who are not on welfare can get if they qualify, like senior citizens. The "free cell phone" thing is a total scam & is not a gov't program. It is run by a few carriers who offer a free phone with 60 min of service per month. Any usage over that comes out of the phone owner's pockets. It's meant to be an emergencies-only thing but there are people like you who see"free" & don't understand that paying by the minute is more costly in the long run than having contracted cell phone service. Some people don't even have landlines anymore b/c cell phone service is cheaper & usually incl free long distance, which landline providers levy a charge upon. "Free eye care" is not entirely true. While a person can get an eye exam with no co-pay once every 2-3 yrs, they are severely limited to cheap "welfare frames" under $60; anything more (& those are plastic fugly things) & it's out of pocket. Bifocals? Out of pocket. Tinting? Out of pocket. Prescription sunglasses? Out of pocket. Break or lose? Out of pocket. "Free dental care" means the least care they can get by with, & that's only on Medicaid. Appeals are useless. You do what they say or you pay out of pocket. On Medicare, forget it; those dentures are going to cost you hundreds.

                    Many people realize that they will have it better on welfare and SSID than by working.

                    No one has it better on welfare. You shot your own argument in the foot by stating they get a whole $326/mo cash. Why you are bringing up welfare when this is an SSD discussion I am sure I don't know. As stated, SSD only pays you what you have put into it & not a penny more, & the max is $2,000/mo. If you think $3,912/yr welfare is such a fortune, then quit your job & go on it. If you think a potential SSD average benefit of $12,000/yr is beaucoup bucks, then join the ranks of your alleged fakers & let us know how that Easy Street lifestyle works for ya.

                    • 4 votes
                    #4.21 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:26 AM EST
                    Reply
                    welfare leachingDeleted
                    Hugh-995222

                    Responsible people vs irresponsible people is the basic strugle we face today. The difference is the way one finishes the phrase "If you can't afford a house.......". The current administration wants to finish it by "then we will give you the money by taxing the people that can afford a house" We will never survive by living with the stupid business decissions made by the incompetent administration.

                    Impeach "Obuma "

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#6 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:09 AM EST
                    conkillersDeleted
                    sickofit-1512553

                    if there's no wealth in America, then we'll become third world. Because of the wealth in America, people who CAN"T work and the leachers are able to get help, otherwise everyone would be living in tents.

                      #6.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:54 AM EST
                      nanny-1033509

                      Jeff, sorry to disillusion you, but i was unable to fill out any of the forms, make any of the phone calls, or see my caseworker. i had a total mental and physical breakdown, and a loving husband jumped the hoops for me. I spent a lot of time in the hospital, including the mental health wing. I was unable to even speak for over three years, unable to even take care of myself. i am better now but a long way from well. i know that no one will believe this, but i really would have preferred that i could keep working. i loved my job. Be careful of automatic assumptions.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:04 PM EST
                      Reply
                      Rose Chavez

                      I think there are a lot of people out there on disability that dont really need it. They can go out shoping, clean their house, care for kids, go dancing and to parties.... It's a shame because there are people that really need it and are denied all the time. If you have no job, no insurance, how can you prove your disability. People in their forties dont qualify for free retraining programs, employers dont want to hire older people and "welfare" does not provide because they say your healthy enough to work. Something has to give and a department that over sees the persons on disbility needs to focus on keeping tabs on all the abusers of the system. That will save alot of money.

                        Reply#7 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:13 AM EST
                        conkillersDeleted
                        Givem Hell Harry

                        This is the number 1 problem in our country: Nobody wants to work anymore. Everybody wants to be paid to do nothing. (welfare/disability) Our system was not designed to have more people "not working" than "working". Where is the self-esteem and pride that made our country great? Some want jobs, but cannot find one. I truly feel sorry for these honest hardworking people. I do not feel sorry for the drug addicts and welfare bums who are "too sick" to work, but are "o.k." to go hunting, fishing, ride their ATV's etc., while the rest of us work harder and pay more for their free ride. P.S....Where do these people find Doctors that just "sign-off" on any make believe ailment coming down the pike? Our SSI system is just about "broken" folks...I hate to think what will happen to older deserving Americans when their benefits stop.

                        • 12 votes
                        Reply#9 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:17 AM EST
                        cll1950

                        Everyone seems to think it's fast easy money. The "Disabilty Scam". It took me 2 !/2 yrs. to get my disability through. I had to work a labor job to keep afloat and still lost my home and everything else, including the little mobility I had left. Now I get $694 a month, because I was lucy enough to work in the years that females were so underpaid that all I can get is the min. I worked all my life for nothing. Good luck if you think you'll get anything in time to help. I filed in 2001. Now I live like an animal, never being able to even pay my bills. I just love sitting in the dark with no power. If you truley get sick and don't have a high end job, it's much easier to just blow your brains out. I wish I had. Rah, Rah USA. I don't want to hear that at least it's better here than some places. I worked hard for mostly min. wage and was thrown in the trash bin. There are no options at my age. The statement, "Don't get sick and if you do, die quickly was never as true as it is today". I just hope the same thing happens to all you ugly people who seem to hate all of us because of some lazy junkies.

                        • 10 votes
                        #9.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:36 AM EST
                        T. Sinclair-1519221

                        Amen Sister, Amen

                          #9.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:28 AM EST
                          hometowngirl-510510

                          and what is it thats wrong with you? just curious because you were trying to claim disability but able to work a manual labour job? so know you have your disability but why can you not work an office job? if people in wheelchairs and hip dysplasia and missing arms can work at a desk?????

                          • 3 votes
                          #9.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:32 AM EST
                          Lynn-410457

                          My Dad, rest his soul, always told us that hunger is a great motivator to work. He lived through the depression and his famous line was when you are hungry, you can "pick s*** with the chickens" if necessary, as work is work and it is all honorable. You are right though, people do not want to work, not everybody but many and that gives us the title of "lazy Americans."

                          • 6 votes
                          #9.4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:00 AM EST
                          vol fan in chatt, tn

                          how is it that you are able to get on a computer if you are sitting in the dark with no power? Just curious.

                          Not everybody is lazy and trying to get out of work. Nobody said that, but there is a VAST amount of people who are doing just that - if it doesn't apply to you then don't be offended - simple as that.

                          • 5 votes
                          #9.5 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:08 AM EST
                          BJs65-634377

                          I really love it when people say "well then get a job!" As if there are any jobs out there for the taking! Hello! The job market is TERRIBLE.

                          To the guy asking how someone could be on the computer yet have no power. Um. The library? Remember that? Great place to hang out. It's warm. Lots to read. Computers to work on.

                          Yes, the system is rife with abuse, but this doesn't mean the entire system should be eliminated. There are those who have a true need for this. We do need reform to weed out those who don't. I love the idea of drug testing to qualify to continue to recieve benefits. Drug abuse should never be a reason to be on it.

                          • 2 votes
                          #9.6 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:02 PM EST
                          Greg-281912

                          Just because the job market is terrible doesn't mean people should be awarded disability $$$.

                          • 6 votes
                          #9.7 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:01 PM EST
                          Midas5280

                          A friend was dying of terminal cancer and took the "certificate of terminal illness' to the Denver social security office. SHE WAS DENIED SSDI THREE (yes 3) TIMES!!! Yet, if you are able to work, but "claim" a disability, the rest of us can pay you for the rest of your miserable existence. I, too, have had it with the able-bodied idiots getting disability leeching off the working class.

                            #9.8 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:36 PM EST
                            scar_tissue

                            hometowngirl-510510

                            and what is it thats wrong with you? just curious because you were trying to claim disability but able to work a manual labour job? so know you have your disability but why can you not work an office job? if people in wheelchairs and hip dysplasia and missing arms can work at a desk?????

                            What's wrong with YOU that you can be so bitterly jealous & judgmental of someone living on $694/mo?

                            • 2 votes
                            #9.9 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:35 AM EST
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                            conkillersDeleted
                            Beth-803655

                            The disability system is one of the most fraud ridden I have ever seen. People who don't work becasue of "allergies"; people who don't work because of asymptomatic sickle cell condition, people who don't work because of "depression"; able bodied people who feed off the system, breed prolifically and add more burden on the system through their children. Drug addiction and the host of mental disorders that the psycho babbling therapists hired by the government to deal with these people allow able bodied men and women to enjoy a work free life style while the rest of us toil like beasts of burden to support this whole mess. Once someone goes on disability, the government rarely if ever checks up on them to make sure the disability still exists. In other words, once in (even with the help of an unscrupulous or overly idealistic health care provider), people can have a free ride for life. Many of these people are young, in their twenties and thirties, not baby boomers. We'll just have to support them for a longer period of time.

                            • 13 votes
                            Reply#11 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:20 AM EST
                            westbury64

                            Everytime I see a kid in his twenties or thirties break out a Welfare 'credit card" to pay for his food and then takes out cash to buy his lottery tickets I want to scream!!!

                            • 17 votes
                            #11.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:33 AM EST
                            mickeymouse-1446349

                            medical records are checked every 3-5 years depending on your disability. i had an uncle shaped like an S could barely walk reviewd every 5 years and cut off twice. had to use a lawyer to refile. they did not read his records as he was messed up BAD. so the lawyer collects 25 % each time. system is flawed.

                            • 10 votes
                            #11.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:48 AM EST
                            Where's Justice?

                            it's very unfortunate that the SSDI system is being exploited for the some of the conditions mentioned. Asympyomatic sickle cell??? Do you know how much PAIN these people endure? I know I had to give frequent shots of Demerol to alleviate their suffering. Oh, and some of these conditions are invisible. Depression... nope, can't see that, maybe a person gets a hint after they commit suicide. For example, take me... I'm 33, I worked very hard while I could but had to stop secondary to complications from multiple sclerosis. I "look" perfectly fine, but have significant physical and mental impairments. Yes, there are scumbags out there that want to leach on the system, but plenty others who wish they could just get back to work.

                            • 2 votes
                            #11.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:44 PM EST
                            nanny-1033509

                            Beth sorry to burst your bubble, i get a yearly review with my caseworker, sometimes twice yearly. And why do you have depression in quotation marks? Depression is a very real, debiliatating illness.

                              #11.4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:15 PM EST
                              Love it or Leave it

                              It's simply NOT true that "the government rarely if ever checks up on them". Do you even know anyone on disability, or are you just repeating gossip?

                                #11.5 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:26 AM EST
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                                1SweetAquarian

                                i just have to add my two cents here - being a 36 year old severely disabled person - i am appalled that the one lady went and got 3 tvs and a playstation! what in the ...???? yes, i've seen many abuse the system, but that is because they allow it to be abused, and yet those who seriously cannot work or are 'unemployable' get the shaft! i am fortuneate in the sense that because of what i do (computers) and a very understanding company i can continue to work. my husband, who is 35, is also severely disabled - yet does everything in his power to get work! we have yet to try to deal with the ssa - because truthfully - it would bankrupt us to try and wait for them! i'll deal with the excruciating pain and 19 pills a day as long as i can - if no other reason than i can't afford to wait for ssa to do what they are supposed to!

                                • 12 votes
                                Reply#12 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:22 AM EST
                                westbury64

                                I wish more people had HALF your work ethic. This country would be a lot better place.

                                • 8 votes
                                #12.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:39 AM EST
                                mickeymouse-1446349

                                the other problem will be your reduction in pay. my brother had a bad car wreck, cant walk uses oxygen, has 5 kids made alot of money at work. he was approved quickly 5 months but only receives 1400.00 . not enough for seven. also your first 5 months are not paid and no medicare for 2 years.

                                • 3 votes
                                #12.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:55 AM EST
                                Resbot Nermo

                                In 2009, having 5 children is irresponsible!

                                • 7 votes
                                #12.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:12 AM EST
                                baby turtle

                                resbot nermo---very good point

                                  #12.4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:56 AM EST
                                  BJs65-634377

                                  So what do you say one should do resbot and baby? Get an abortion?

                                  Sometimes it just happens - in spite of birth control. No. It is not 100% effective.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #12.5 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:11 PM EST
                                  HP651

                                  They must have been using some pretty crappy birth control methods to have it fail 5 times... and "sometimes it just happens" is nothing but pure laziness and irresponsibility, not a valid excuse.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #12.6 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:18 PM EST
                                  TamSam

                                  1sweetaquarian, God bless you. People like you are the ones that I will and gladly help anyday. It's the ones that do not want to work that I could care less about helping.

                                    #12.7 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:12 PM EST
                                    BJs65-634377

                                    Boo hoo HP. It DOES happen. Obviously.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #12.8 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:25 AM EST
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                                    dale-763548

                                    EACH CASE NEEDS TO BE JUDGED ON INDIVDUAL MERITS, and their work history should count for a lot; if someone works for thirty to forty years and files it should be given consideration!!! the older workers are getting to that time of life, they may need to collect their hard earned benifits; and if they are at the stage that their health is going down hill it is inhumain to push them, into a worse condition that will end up in many cases, costing the system more because of nursing home care, and leave them with whatever quality of life they have left wasted, they earned these benifits and they should get them, no matter they will still contribute to the economy when they spend the money!!! evryone will get older; do onto others as you would have them do onto you!!!

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#13 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:22 AM EST
                                    cll1950

                                    dale-763548. See post 7.1. It's nice to know there are still a few human bings left. If any of you really care, volenteer to help someone who can't afford to keep up their home and yard. Who's car is always broken down and can't even clean their house without pain. I try to keep moving as much as possible so I won't turn into stone but there sure isn't much reason to want to wake up every mornig. I haven't had a Christmas in years. Bless us everyone.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #13.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:49 AM EST
                                    mickeymouse-1446349

                                    good idea. a solid work history should move you quicker. why would anyone working with good wages want a disability payment. its not much.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #13.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:58 AM EST
                                    Brenda-251440

                                    That's my argument. I have three masters degrees, a PhD, and technical certifications and receive SSDI for bipolar and post-traumatic stress disorders. Few people think I'm disabled, but I sometimes spend days talking myself out of psychoses. I'm just not all here at times. Why would someone who can make nearly $100,000 a year settle for a $1500 disability check?

                                    While it's true that the medications and various forms a therapy can sometimes make people able to work, the problem has been the lack of medical insurance for a lot of people on disability. Most people never get off because they absolutely must have a job that covers hundreds of dollars worth of medications and doctors visits each month. This is where national health insurance will help. Also, the sheer number of doctor's appointments are a problem. As I'm getting older and as the psych meds are causing problems, such as obesity and diabetes, I'm starting to rack up doctor visits for other ailments. With psych meds, you really have to weigh your options. The medications have such negative side effects--obseity, diabestes, fatigue, vision problems, cotton mouth, constipation, diarrhea, akathisia.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #13.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:42 AM EST
                                    jeff-813425

                                    Brenda: you were well enough to get trough 3 masters programs but not well enough to hold a job? please tell me your trama occured after graduation.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #13.4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:50 PM EST
                                    Brenda-251440

                                    Well, if I'm crazy enough to take 1500 over 7000, then I'm crazy enough for disability.

                                      #13.5 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:59 PM EST
                                      endpcnow

                                      Brenda:

                                      If you're that frickin' crazy you should consider being institutionalized.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #13.6 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:50 PM EST
                                      Brenda-251440

                                      lol. I'm mentally ill. However, I am also more intelligent than most people, which means that I can hide my insanity better. That's all. Have a nice day!

                                        #13.7 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:20 PM EST
                                        Connie-1520817

                                        well said, Brenda. There is NOBODY that will understand your position (or others) until they are there themselves, sad but true.

                                          #13.8 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:18 PM EST
                                          Love it or Leave it

                                          endpcnow, services are provided (in some parts of the country better than others) to keep people in their own home/apt. for as long as possible, rather than institutionalize them or put them in a nursing home. Sometimes people only need help in remembering to take their meds, some just with dressing, some just with bathing, some with limited nursing services, etc. Some people can't safely cook so they have someone help them shop for food that can be easily prepared (think microwave) or meals delivered (think Senior Dining sites).

                                          It is much less expensive, regardless of who's paying for it, to keep people in their own homes. That is always the goal.

                                          Some disabilities are invisible, but nonetheless, VERY real.

                                          Some of my disabled friends never leave their apts. for days or weeks because they can no longer drive and/or afford a vehicle, and there is no public transportation (think: rural America). But all of them in that situation prefer living in their own apt. to being in a nursing home. Their first preference, though, would be to be able to work.

                                            #13.9 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:38 AM EST
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                                            Justin-293850

                                            I find this ladies case very irritating, she is disabled her babies daddy is disabled and they are barely scraping by but they have the need for two cars? They need three flat screen TV's, OMG I live in a house that has four people each of us is making over 50K a year but we have One flat screen tV why because it is not needed. Live within your means. And to the Gentleman who is awaiting he judgement I hope you are approved, working your life for a company and paying tax for the most part of your life you earned the money but if you do not get it, dont be afraid to finish your education it is neve to late.

                                            • 5 votes
                                            Reply#14 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:27 AM EST
                                            HazCats

                                            Past 50 is usually too late,, I'm not saying this to be trite... I know I'm 45 I was injured at 39, I got one year of school and then had to fend for myself.. I now understand what wemen go thru every time I have an interview I have to break out the hair dye and the extra pain-killers so I can at least simulate for an hour someone not needing too much help. Many empolyeers like my present one will put you in a dark corner of the basement as soon as you start to show any symtoms of weakness.

                                            Disabled people are depressing I know but no one wants to pay us to stay home and no one wants to have us around either.. Educatiion can only get you so far, most of my time is spent trying to figure out how to do things I can't do so as not to seem too needy. This can be a real upward mobility killer indeed, at a time most are planning retirement I get to work my way back from the bottom.. Joy!

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #14.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:51 PM EST
                                            Love it or Leave it

                                            HazCats, please find a support group. There are several online ones that are good. The support groups are good resources to help you find new ways of doing things that take less effort so that you can get more things done during the day. We all, whether disabled or not, have only so much energy. My disabled friends were frustrated in not being able to get as much done in a day as they were used to doing. Finding those personal energy conservation methods was a great help to them. It may help you get through your education program faster, too.

                                              #14.2 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:45 AM EST
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                                              Kay-818610

                                              Everybody knows that if you keep working and active you can stay healthy for much longer.

                                              My father (78) has really gnarly knuckles and fingers from arthritus, his much younger Dr.s asked him how he was able to do so much with those hands and he said it was because he'd never stopped... older blue collar type workers would rather be doing a job-if only for a feeling of usefulness. When you get "laid off" early you get stiff sooner.

                                              There was a time when an injured or older worker would be given other tasks and kept on until regular retirement age. No more. Huge companies work for the bottom line only -they'd rather move their co. to a place where "costs" meaning people are cheaper.

                                              Everybody wants to talk about individual responsibility, nobody wants to demand coporate resonsibility. Even slaveholders were judged by how well they treated their slaves.

                                              • 5 votes
                                              Reply#15 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:35 AM EST
                                              Dan-833210

                                              If people are under 65 and cant work, the system that supports them should have a worker pool so these folks can be dispatched to do community service etc. Not to be a meany, just common sense. I feel sorry for the guy but unemployment doesn't equate to social security disability. I know of MANY who work odd jobs and for cash etc. to subsidise SSDI, its plain wrong. Not saying some folks cant work but MANY can and do work. If they were caught, the gravy train would stop and let them off. Lets use our heads here.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #15.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:00 AM EST
                                              cll1950

                                              I loved doing community service work untill I ran out of gas money and then I ran out of a running car, Give me transportation. I'd love to have a reason to get up in the morning.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #15.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:28 AM EST
                                              baby turtle

                                              you can do community service from home...you obviously have a computer and internet service

                                              • 5 votes
                                              #15.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:44 AM EST
                                              Brenda-251440

                                              Find her the community service job you can do from home. I volunteer and agencies that have programs setup are very precise about what they need and how things are to be done.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #15.4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:44 AM EST
                                              scar_tissue

                                              I love how people get all bent out of shape with this "o you have a computer & internet service" or a car or a fancy TV so therefore that equates to you don't need any help. There's no "repo man" that comes & takes your stuff when you become unemployed for any reason (tho I'm sure the troll contingent would love that if they could latch onto the Playstation they disdain so much when it belongs to someone else). Just b/c you once upon a time had a decent job & could afford a few things doesn't mean you're "lazy" or a "faker". Get real.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #15.5 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:43 AM EST
                                              Super Ultra

                                              So true! People act as if you could magically sell all the things you may have accumulated when times were good to pay your food and bills. The resale value on things like gaming systems and TVs etc. are far less than what you pay for them. For some poor people the extra 20 bucks you gain from selling what cost you 300 or more is not really worth not having it at all. I get the idea sometimes that the unfortunate are expected to live in a bare bones shack with nothing to keep them occupied but a stick and a piece of string and they can live off rice and beans for the rest of their lives. Ridiculous.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #15.6 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:49 PM EST
                                              Love it or Leave it

                                              Super Ultra, no one expects anyone to live in a bare bones shack and live off rice and beans. However, if you are waiting for a disability determination and need money to live on, you WILL sell some toys, i.e. Play Station for $20 even though you paid hundreds for it! Many people who are truly disabled have sold their home, all but one vehicle (they don't have public transportation available to them and need a car for dr. appts.), and every other asset in order to pay for food, medical and every day living expenses while they waited for a determination from Social Security. Their next step was totally going on welfre. They were broke!!!

                                              Why would people waiting for a disability determination believe they are entitled to keep vs. sell things, things that people who are also working can't even afford to buy in the first place? There are working people out there who can't afford to even have a TV, much less a Play Station!!! Your attitude gives disabled people a bad reputation.

                                              So, yes, the unfortunate are expected to do as much as they can on their own, and if that includes living "in a bare bones" home, so be it. Life isn't fair. If it were, they would still have the dignity that having a job gives to everyone who has one.

                                              My disabled friends were all hardworking people. Not being able to work smashed their self-esteem initially but they have come to learn that they should not have allowed their jobs to define who and what they were/are. Becoming disabled has allowed them to mature to understand the meaning of that.

                                                #15.7 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 3:00 AM EST
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                                                rex reed aka badman

                                                Why can't we take back from the government someway - somehow? Open your eyes people!!! the government takes TRILIONS $$ from us unjustly and give to the FAT CATS... Bankers and wall street daily...we are only taking pennies compared to what congress and our so called for the people president "democrats or republicans" did. All we are doing is taking back what is our in the first placed....

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#16 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:39 AM EST
                                                westbury64

                                                Isn't it the fat cat bankers and wall street types who pay the vast majority of the taxes in this country? Last I looked it was something like the top 10% of earners contribute 90% of the total taxes collected. Perhaps they are just getting back some of what they paid in. As for the 50% who pay NO taxes, they are just getting other people's money.

                                                • 7 votes
                                                #16.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:42 AM EST
                                                cll1950

                                                I worked hard and paid taxes. I might have made more if I wanted to compromise every value I was ever tought. I'll tellyou one thing, The average hard worker will never have millions in retierment. Who's money do you think the crooked bankers are getting?

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #16.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:55 AM EST
                                                westbury64

                                                You don't have to "compromise every value you were ever taught" to move up from a minimum wage job. I have not compromised my values and I make a good living. I feel bad for your situation but it is unfair to assume that everyone who has succeeded and provided a secure life and retirement for themselves and their family has "compromised every value they were ever taught".

                                                • 4 votes
                                                #16.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:04 AM EST
                                                Bubbleburst

                                                You don't have to "compromise every value you were ever taught" to move up from a minimum wage job

                                                Consider your self the exception not the rule. It's been my experience in the last 25 years of working for a living that most people have this attitude right here.

                                                If I work hard and own a business I have every right, as a "daddy", to give a high paying job to my child.

                                                Most of the people I have worked for don't have there kids working for them but it's still the same perspective. They promote from out side there company use your idea's give credit for them to some slick talking jerk and send you packing when you ask why you got shafted after years of service.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #16.4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:26 AM EST
                                                westbury64

                                                Perhaps it's your bitter attitude that has stalled your career. The idea that anyone that is successful is a bad person or has compromised their values is ridiculous. It is a result of the class warfare in this country that has convinced the underclass that it is "the rich person's" fault and not their own fault. It's always easier to point a finger than look in a mirror.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #16.5 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:32 AM EST
                                                cll1950

                                                I never said everyone who made a good living. I said crooked bankers. I'm glad you were successful. Just when I got on the right track, my 13 tr. old child was diagnosed with cancer. We lived in an indutrial area. High rate of childhood cancer. Thank god and your lucky stars that things turned out good for you. By the way, it took about 7 yrs. of pain before she died.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #16.6 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:37 AM EST
                                                westbury64

                                                I do thank God for the good things that happen, but I don't blame others for the bad things. Just as there are crooked, greedy rich people, there are also crooked, greedy poor people. My success was NOT a result of any chicanery or compromising of my values.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #16.7 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:40 AM EST
                                                Bubbleburst

                                                Perhaps it's your bitter attitude that has stalled your career. The idea that anyone that is successful is a bad person or has compromised their values is ridiculous.

                                                For one if I do have a bitter attitude it's after years of being shafted not that I started out that way. And you might be amazed at what I have had some upstanding small business owners ask me to do.

                                                Perhaps you choose to ignore reality.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #16.8 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:47 AM EST
                                                westbury64

                                                Fine, then those people were unscrupulous, just like Milken, Madoff, etc., but that does NOT mean that the only way to get ahead is to compromise your values. I started in this firm and they treated me and all the employees great. I am now a partner in the firm and I treat my employees the same way I was treated. Perhaps you need to find a different job because the bitterness will eat away at you.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #16.9 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:52 AM EST
                                                Bubbleburst

                                                Fine, then those people were unscrupulous, just like Milken, Madoff, etc., but that does NOT mean that the only way to get ahead is to compromise your values. I started in this firm and they treated me and all the employees great.

                                                Great to hear I am truly happy for you. I have always even now believed that there are fair descent and honest people out there.

                                                  #16.10 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:59 AM EST
                                                  HazCats

                                                  If you find them, don't bother to tell us the MSM only wants bad stories about failure and pain.

                                                  That said, The best people I've ever worked for were kind and generous all the time I worked for them,,, once my back broke down and I wasn't an asset any more it may surprise you how little time till I didn't exist to them any more. Now they only speak to my Work-Comp Atty. not so much as an x-mas card. yep they were such good friends :(

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #16.11 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:01 PM EST
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                                                  Digar518

                                                  I get sooo mad when people think disability equals fraud, being to lazy to work etc.... I am only 46, I have been waiting 3 years to have my disabilty hearing & I want it known that a) I'm not lazy, don't you think if I could work I would? Let me tell you it is absolutely aggravating not being able to go out & do the things I used to. b) I have Reflex Sympathtic Dystrophy (RSD) which is an extremely painful neurological disorder - pain 24/7, the simplest thing such as the wind blowing on my foot causes severe pain. The only way I can function (if you want to call it that) is through medication, & no, I'm not an addict, the medications I take are the only way I can achieve some sort of normalcy in my life. I have gone through 3 years w/only the income of my husband & it has been extremely difficult. Does one think I would go through all of this simply because I'm lazy? It's absolutely ludicrous!!!!

                                                    Reply#17 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:41 AM EST
                                                    Trinity101

                                                    What an outrage using SSI benefits to buy 3 flat screen TV’s, new furniture and Playstation on our tax money! There is way too much fraud claims for SSI disability benefits. It should not go to able bodied people with depression, carpel tunnel or fibromyalgia, etc. and other normal aches and pains. Those people can do some type of work. I have a relative in his early 50’s who is healthy as a horse (but supposedly disabled and getting SSI benefits because he has asthma) – well so do millions of other people and they still work. But he can stand over a grill with smoke blowing in face, burns wood in his house, bought a fancy RV, a $10,000 golf cart and lives the good life and brags about it. Does the government ever re-evaluate these people? Hope so before they bankrupt our system for people who really need it.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    Reply#18 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:56 AM EST
                                                    mickeymouse-1446349

                                                    he will be evaluated every 3-5 years for sure. feel free to report him if you feel fraud. its your duty. hes not buying all that on disability. the max benefit is 1600?? report him at SSA.gov

                                                    • 5 votes
                                                    #18.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:02 AM EST
                                                    Brew_City_Chick

                                                    Too late it's already near bankruptcy.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #18.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:43 AM EST
                                                    scar_tissue

                                                    What an outrage using SSI benefits to buy 3 flat screen TV’s, new furniture and Playstation on our tax money! There is way too much fraud claims for SSI disability benefits. It should not go to able bodied people with depression, carpel tunnel or fibromyalgia, etc. and other normal aches and pains. Those people can do some type of work. I have a relative in his early 50’s who is healthy as a horse (but supposedly disabled and getting SSI benefits because he has asthma) – well so do millions of other people and they still work. But he can stand over a grill with smoke blowing in face, burns wood in his house, bought a fancy RV, a $10,000 golf cart and lives the good life and brags about it. Does the government ever re-evaluate these people? Hope so before they bankrupt our system for people who really need it.

                                                    1st of all, read for comprehension. Or at least educate yourself with the difference btwn SSD & SSI. SSI is for people who were born disabled, became disabled as a child or young adult, & do not have a work history of steady FICA pymts to be able to collect SSD. It is also income-based. I know a woman who has had breast cancer 2x & is currently operating at 25% heart capacity b/c of an aortic anyeurism & can't get SSD b/c she chose to be a stay-at-home mom most of her life & only worked PT for brief periods; she can't get SSI either b/c her spouse works & continues working even tho he's now going thru cancer treatment himself, & he makes too much for her to qualify for SSI.

                                                    SSD is not coming out of your pocket. It is pd to people who have worked their whole lives & have pd enough into the system to be eligible for a benefit, yet get jerked around for yrs by SS until they are so penniless they have no choice but to apply for other types of benefits like food stamps etc to survive. We should be ashamed of treating people this way merely b/c they are "broken", & you rabid dissenters should be ashamed of attacking honest, hard-working people being screwed by the American gov't out of what is rightfully theirs. This is the reason we pay FICA, in case we do become disabled & need it. It's not only meant for retirement funds. Those of us at the tail end of the baby boom are going to have to work well past 65 in order to even get that b/c the retirement age is gradually moving up. I wouldn't be surprised if younger people were expected to never retire until they were 80 the way this system is set up.

                                                    I love how there are always a million anecdotal tales about the SSD/SSI cheat someone "knows". And all you people do is whine about it jealously. If you really think someone is cheating the system, then report it. Just remember it's on your head if your jealousy blinds you to the pt where you're wrong about that & you destroy someone's life out of your own bitterness that you, too, cannot subsist on a pittance a month & never work again.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #18.3 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:56 AM EST
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                                                    Delana Darrow

                                                    I recieve SSI disability because I have epilispy and cp and get about 500.00 a month ,but my mom gets double that because she is "bipoler"  and former drug addict who see's the little people not kiding hear,but she barley afford her rent and cable,and stuff and countinuasly calling me and my brothers up beging $$$ last it was for 200.00 paraot she saw at petstore... And people that is what is wrong with SSI ,you've raised at least 2 generations that claim they mental disorders like ADD or bipoler and post tramic stress disorder.who take more med's than I do for my eplispy,when if they truely are this menatal messed they need locked up in hospitaul not collecting disability,because thier lazy or drug addicts,also need to make teachers do thier jobs and stop labeling children ADD's because they don't wanna take the time to reach out and teach that kid". Meanwhile i'll countinue to off 3 peoples debt and wear hand-me downs ,while the Mentaly disabled ,and drug addicts,and others take more med's than I do ,and collect biger checks than I do....

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    Reply#19 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:00 AM EST
                                                    hometowngirl-510510

                                                    sorry but i dont understand why you need disability with epilepsy, whether its grand or petit mal, the majority are controlled by medication and no offense but having a seizure at home and a seizure at your office job is no real difference, your probably safer at your office job because other people will be there to help, there is zero reason why you cannot work so really your not better than others, thats $500 a month you take from someone who physically cannot work. but yes i agree that drug addiction, and depression should not give you taxpayer money and you should stop wasting your money helping them

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #19.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:51 AM EST
                                                    Brenda-251440

                                                    It is a myth that everyone who is bipolar is a drug addict. I'm bipolar and I've never done drugs. I am in the majority. I've had problems with bipolar disorder going back to childhood when I was hospitalized and my relatives left me in the hospital and told them, They didn't wan me back. My mother had paranoid schizophrenia.

                                                    As for the TVs and cars. The cars can't be worth over a certain amount. Some places have no public transportation. More important, what the article failed to explain is that Social Security Administration pays the back pay, but gives recipients only a few months to spend it before it then counts against them, and social security then wants to cut them off again for having too much money. Much money is spent foolishly because of that rule.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #19.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:52 AM EST
                                                    HazCats

                                                    Incredible they'll Spay/nuter a cat for just being in the wrong place.. Yet these Human/Parasites are allowed.. $@)) Encuraged to breed gereration after generation of Walfare-Waste to what keep more and more Welfare workeras employed??

                                                    I'll never get it!?!?!?

                                                      #19.3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:07 PM EST
                                                      Love it or Leave it

                                                      Brenda, Social Security does NOT set a time limit for the back pay to be spent. Go to socialsecurity.gov. All the disability rules are there.

                                                      PLEASE do not give false information on this subject. The rules ARE complicated but there is NO such rule as you are stating. To receive rental assistance, food stamps, Medicaid, and perhaps other aid, there ARE asset limits. But you can receive SSDI and the back pay and be a millionaire. However, the amount you can earn through work is limited if you want to be able to continue to receive the SSDI benefit along with Medicare.

                                                        #19.4 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 3:14 AM EST
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                                                        Terri-635946

                                                        I have seen so much abuse of the SS system it's nuts. I have seen unwed mother's filing for SSDI for their babies because the child has clubb feet or a cleft palate. Both are able to be corrected and ususally at the expense of the taxpayor. For the woman who went out and purchased two autos and 3 flatscreens..wise use of your (our) money.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        Reply#20 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:02 AM EST
                                                        sam floor

                                                        It took me 5 years to get disability.I installed carpet for 40 years. I have severe arthritis and carpal tunnel. There are days I cannot walk. I borrowed every dime, I could borrow, and maxed out credit cards to survive during the 5 years. I got 6 months back pay. The days of big back checks is over. I have no medical. You have to wait 2 years for Medicare. The state wants 1/3 of my check to give me Medicaid. I would rather work, but I can't.

                                                          Reply#21 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:09 AM EST
                                                          sum guy-1024733

                                                          Lots of legitimate claims here.

                                                          A lot of awareness here.

                                                          So why is it that we even care if Tiger gets laid on a regular basis thus causing his wife to leave him.

                                                          We all need to get our priorities straight and direct our attentions to what is needed.

                                                          We are our own worst enemy.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          Reply#22 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:11 AM EST
                                                          Pat-916816

                                                          I believe our government and the media are our worst enemy. The American people need to take control of government and start by voting out ANYONE who is in office currently. Term limits for congress and senate. No free insurance for congress and senate or presidents once they are out of office. Unless they want the government sponsored insurance they are shoving down our throats. If they want a retirement let them have the same plans allowed the constituants. 401K no match for them they wouldnt be in there long enough to be vested. How about IRA's ? Make them pay into social security too. The American people are getting the shaft mostly from laws passed by the legislative body (congress and senate). Wake up America before America is no more.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #22.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST
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                                                          The Beev

                                                          Blown disk, two hand surgeries on both hands, then re-attached thumbs. Lost right kidney from bad accident, hep C from blood transfusion, severe skin allergies to corn, wheat, and soybean products. Shattered nose from another on-the-job accident where bone from both easr had to reconstruct..(get about 70% air now.) I really want to find work to buy me 5 more years to 62 but in my neighborhood alone 6 families in the last 6 months have lost jobs and a bunch more have their hours whittled down to 30 or less hours.

                                                          I have never drawn unemployment, have NEVER filed for disability, because of pride and didn't want to drain the state monies for those who are even worse off than me. Plus...for me to claim I'm disabled is like saying you're impotent, or not worth a flying f##k. It would be the ultimate "throwing in of the towel." I guess some people have a higher threshold of pain and suffering than others. Maybe, in this age of entitlements and "gimme gimme" ...I'm the fool for not jumping on the gravy train.

                                                          I believe a soceity is judged by how it cares for their LEGITAMATELY infirmed and handicapped. But I see people with the most absurd, bogus excuses looking for a free ride, I see people on welfare spending more money on lotto tickets in one whack than I do in a year, and I see a slew of folks just itchin for a reason to sue someone. Heck, just pulling out of Publix parking lot there are a certain breed of low-lifes that I swear purposely try and dart out in front of you Hoping to get slightly hit so they can sue the crap out of you.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          Reply#23 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:11 AM EST
                                                          hometowngirl-510510

                                                          you my friend are aresome, i love your work ethic and pride, the irony is i think you are a true candidate and a good example of why we do need a disability system but with a lot more controls than we have. keep up the pride and work ethic but dont be ashamed to apply for disability if you need to.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #23.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:54 AM EST
                                                          scar_tissue

                                                          Plus...for me to claim I'm disabled is like saying you're impotent, or not worth a flying f##k. It would be the ultimate "throwing in of the towel."

                                                          Pain by its very nature is a subjective thing. No one can say their pain is better or worse than anyone else's. Sometimes people have to take meds for meds for meds & it ends up worse. Some meds make you gain or lose weight rapidly, which can also affect pain levels. Pain is a hard thing to judge b/c you only have someone's word for it most of the time. There are very few medical conditions that have actual tests to measure pain levels, tho inflammation (which causes pain) can be measured with a C-reactive protein blood test & used for determination. This is why most SSD claims are intially denied. The rate of that is around 70%. If people don't come in with a "visible disability marker" like a cane, crutches, walker, wheelchair, oxygen tank, etc, the assumption is made that it can't be that bad. There are many conditions that are "invisible" & their very invisibility is a basis for denial in SSs eyes. Women tend to be denied with greater frequency than men b/c the assumption is made by largely male judges that they are naturally hysterical creatures & it's "all in their heads". Their whole system needs an attitude adjustment.

                                                          That said, I agree that it's like throwing in the towel & admitting one's usefulness is at an end. People lose their identities when they apply for SSD. They're no longer a teacher or a factory worker or a secretary or whatever; they're disabled people subject to abuse, harassment, & even hate crimes b/c of attitudes like those being displayed here today. Their resources & assets become exhausted in the long, hard fight it takes most people to get SSD. Depression sets in. I don't think anyone applies for this lightly, I really don't. It is the end of the world as they know it & change is a scary thing, as is admitting to yourself that you can't take the pain anymore & need help when you've been independent all your life.

                                                            #23.2 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:11 AM EST
                                                            Love it or Leave it

                                                            The Beev, Doesn't Work Comp and/or other insurance come into play with this at all? If some of this is from accidents, insurance certainly should play a role in paying disability.

                                                              #23.3 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 3:24 AM EST
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                                                              Slamthis

                                                              This is distubbing to me (this report) as I know of a person that was DX with Fibromyalgia and the other problems that go along with it (chronic IBS, etc) and they have been fighting for benefits for five years. She goes all the time to many doctors, has documents, etc and is still given the runaround because the judge said, "You dont look like theres anythign wrong with yoiu.. you havnt lost a lot of weight". Well... since when can a jusge play the doctor role? Lyrica makes one GAIN weight. Her trial is ecpected to go to the Federal level in the next few months.

                                                              Bottom line.. you you have an ache in a shoulder, you should not be applying for disability. there are people out there that really need it and cannot get it due to the burdon of people receiving it that sholdnt be... esp the kids with ADD/ADHD. They do not deserve a free handout. They can work pain free.

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              Reply#24 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:13 AM EST
                                                              hometowngirl-510510

                                                              fibromyalgia and chronic ibs? ibs can be controlled with meds and diet and fibroymalgia, well thats a whole other story, since there isnt anything physically wrong with these people how can you determine if they are telling the truth, my dads new girlfriend has fibroymalgia, just been upgraded to severe status yet she has no problem doing all the housework, going out shopping, going off on caravan holidays and hill walking, seems to be able to function normally all day yet cannot sit at a desk ??????

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                                                              #24.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:20 AM EST
                                                              nanny-1033509

                                                              hometown girl: sorry to have to tell you this but fibormyaligea and chronic ibs sometimes don't respond to medications, diet, or exercise. Thought you might like to know.

                                                                #24.2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:27 PM EST
                                                                scar_tissue

                                                                fibromyalgia and chronic ibs? ibs can be controlled with meds and diet and fibroymalgia, well thats a whole other story, since there isnt anything physically wrong with these people how can you determine if they are telling the truth, my dads new girlfriend has fibroymalgia, just been upgraded to severe status yet she has no problem doing all the housework, going out shopping, going off on caravan holidays and hill walking, seems to be able to function normally all day yet cannot sit at a desk ??????

                                                                Obviously you're not a doctor. Nanny is correct. You seem to be working under the assumption that if someone is disabled then they are no longer entitled to do anything but lie in bed & mope. How do you know what this woman is doing isn't something prescribed by her dr as help for her FMS? Do you live with her? If not, you may only be seeing her on "good days" b/c that is when most FMS sufferers are out & about. When they have "flares" they tend to do nothing much at all. Do you know for a fact how long it takes her to accomplish simple tasks like housecleaning & shopping? Do you know what meds & what the dosages are that she takes? Have you gone to the bathroom w/ her & witnessed how painful IBS can be? Have you witnessed the humiliating occasions she wasn't able to make it to the toilet in time?

                                                                You have no business sitting in judgment on people when you don't know what you're talking about. You'd probably be one of those lying in bed moping if it ever happened to you.

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                #24.3 - Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:19 AM EST
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                                                                jimmyjihad

                                                                Advise to young people. Avoid labor intensive professions because when your body breaks down as you age, there will be no one to help you and you will have wasted your life working hard only to die in poverty.

                                                                • 5 votes
                                                                Reply#25 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:14 AM EST
                                                                HazCats

                                                                Amen!

                                                                25yrs runing all sorts of Diesel Tractor-Trailers and my back quits at 40, I'm supposed to find other-work nevermind the chronic-pain 12 to 18pills a day. go out there smile and put in a full 40hr week! Or die in the street we don't care, I know I paid insurance for disability, and am supposed to be happy for the pills and slipshod medical advice.. But sometimes, I'm not (happy)

                                                                If I'd had your advice sooner I'd have become a banker or investment mgr (Thanks)

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #25.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:16 PM EST
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                                                                ernie roy

                                                                I was a private medical consultant for the SSDI system for several years.  I have seen both sides of the fence.  Truly incapacitated people who had no other option and had long waits to be approved.  Also lots of people who physically were still able to work but perceived (or chose to perceive) that they could not.  There are many health care providers who will sign off on disability because they are trained to be the advocate for whatever the patient wants.  This is dangerous as it allows many folks who are not truly impaired to get into the system and clog it for those who really do need help.  Don't just blame the govt.  WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT!!  Every one of us influences these policies by either voting or not voting for certain candidates.  This is the end result of an apathetic, ill informed population.   See how easy it is to hijack a democracy?   All you need is a large number of relatively un-informed citizens and then just manipulate public opinion a bit and presto!  Instant mess.

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                Reply#26 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:17 AM EST
                                                                hometowngirl-510510

                                                                sorry but all you doctors who sign off people without fully checking to see if theres anything actually wrong with them should be ashamed and lose your licensed. i was so mad at my former friends doctor, my friend had glandular fever and then the after affects are generally tiredness, aches etc which can last a few months, well my friend was fine, he would tell me himself, he would go clubbing, dancing and drinking all night 4 times a week and do under the table moving jobs for his friend (moving and lifting furniture) but would tell his doctor he was to tired and exhausted still to go back to work, been off for 2 years now because his stupid go keeps signing his notes.

                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                #26.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:25 AM EST
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                                                                Mary-313281

                                                                There are many people that qualify and should get disability.  But I have a cousin  age 48 who worked 6 months in her life has been a housewife for over 20 years and applied for SSD. Of couse she was denied so she found a lawyer and  has  gone through the  appeal process where the  one of the doctors told the judge she could get a job.   After being told twice she did not work therefore did not qualify  for SDD she now has  has applied for SSI.  She contacted the Senator and Representive offices for help .  She has a lawyer.  Her only medical problem is a pacemaker which a lot of people have and go to work every day.  She does any activity she wants. I don't see why  it is thrown out for good but who knows.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                Reply#27 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:21 AM EST
                                                                MadMorrison

                                                                People scream for medical benifits and then claim disabled

                                                                  Reply#28 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:25 AM EST
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