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Senate bill could hurt insurers at least initially

Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:04 AM EST
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Tom Murphy, AP Business Writer
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<p>President Barack Obama, accompanied by Vice President Joe Biden, speaks in the State Dining Room of the White House in Washington, Thursday, Dec. 24, 2009, after the Senate passed  the health care reform bill. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)</p>

President Barack Obama, accompanied by Vice President Joe Biden, speaks in the State Dining Room of the White House in Washington, Thursday, Dec. 24, 2009, after the Senate passed the health care reform bill. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

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INDIANAPOLIS — Health insurers get some big presents in the Senate's health overhaul bill — about 20 million new customers and no competition from a new government plan.

Taking advantage of those boons might take some time, though.

The bill imposes hefty new taxes and coverage rules that will pinch insurers by forcing them to cover more sick people without gaining enough healthy, lower-cost customers, industry insiders say. The industry is also worried the bill doesn't do enough to control health care costs.

It's a matter of figuring out how to make those new customers profitable, analysts say.

"There's opportunity," Miller Tabak analyst Les Funtleyder said. "Where the rubber meets the road is can you access that opportunity? At least some of them will figure out how to do it."

The Senate bill is much more favorable to insurers than a similar bill passed in the House that contains a government-run option for consumers seeking individual insurance, something insurers have fought hard. They worry that a government-run plan that sets rates below market prices would pose unfair competition.

Though the Senate bill still has to be reconciled with the House bill, most observers believe the government-run plan, often called a "public option," will disappear because it lacks Senate support.

Both bills call for the creation of insurance exchanges that help people buy coverage. Insurers likely will lose money on business from those exchanges, said Robert Laszewski, a former insurance executive and president of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a Virginia-based health care consultant.

It's a tradeoff: People without insurance would be required to buy it — in some cases, subsidies will help them pay for it — or face fines if they don't. Insurers, in turn, would no longer be able to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions such as diabetes or cancer.

But the proposed fines are too weak and the subsidies too meager to truly motivate people to buy insurance, Laszewski said. This means the people most motivated to buy coverage through these exchanges will be those who already have health problems — who are money losers for insurers.

Insurers need a mix of healthy people enrolled in their coverage to help balance out claims they pay for patients who use more insurance.

The Senate bill calls for fines for people who do not purchase coverage and are not exempt from a mandate to buy it. They start at $95 in 2014 and rise to $750 by 2016.

That's a lot more affordable than what some people would pay for insurance. A sliding scale of subsidies will help people or families with incomes up to 400 percent of the federal poverty level, or $88,200 for a family of four this year. But a family of four with income of $65,000 would still have to pay nearly 10 percent of that income, or $6,500, toward coverage.

"There aren't a lot of families with an extra $6,500 in their checking account," Laszewski said. "The problem with this bill is the subsidies are really quite modest, and there really aren't any penalties."

An ideal bill for insurers, he said, would pair better subsidies for the uninsured with higher penalties that motivate people to buy coverage and get more healthy people into the risk pools.

The Senate bill hurts managed care companies in other ways. Insurers use a person's age and other variables to figure out the price of an individual insurance policy. Older people often have to pay more because they tend to generate more claims. But the Senate bill limits how much more insurers can charge for older customers.

That means people under age 30 likely will see a "substantial increase" in the cost of a policy — making them less inclined to buy insurance — while older people will see a smaller decrease, said Brad Fluegel, chief strategy and external affairs officer for WellPoint Inc., the nation's largest health insurer based on membership.

The Senate bill also calls for the industry to pay annual fees for the plan that start at $2 billion in 2011 and increase to $10 billion by 2017. Analysts say costs like these will be passed to consumers because insurers want to protect profit margins, which are generally thinner than other health care companies like drugmakers.

"I think we're going to be discussing health care reform continuously for the next several years as we try to fix all the things that are broken with this existing bill," Fluegel said.

Added up, insurers say the bill would mean higher premiums for consumers and likely for employers who buy coverage. And that's on top of hikes spurred by rising medical care.

The stock market no longer seems worried. Shares of the five largest managed care companies have risen more than 120 percent, on average, since they bottomed out in early March. In contrast, the Standard & Poor's 500 index has increased about 63 percent over the same span.

Investors had big worries when the debate picked up steam last spring, but stocks started climbing as they realized "doomsday scenarios" such as a government takeover would not happen, Funtleyder said.

He thinks insurers will learn to live with the overhaul and eventually benefit from it. They should be able to adjust their prices to accommodate taxes, fees and the new regulations once they understand the claims their exchange customers will generate.

"It's kind of tricky, at least in the beginning."

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Eric AlbertDeleted
angela593

Health Care should be in the forefront of all discussions every day. How can we do it better?

Is this like the banks paying in to the FDIC?

The Senate bill also calls for the industry to pay annual fees for the plan that start at $2 billion in 2011 and increase to $10 billion by 2017. Analysts say costs like these will be passed to consumers because insurers want to protect profit margins, which are generally thinner than other health care companies like drugmakers

Subsides and penalties for citizens or Aetna?

In ideal bill for insurers, he said, would pair better subsidies for the uninsured with higher penalties that motivate people to buy coverage and get more healthy people into the risk pools.

subsidize the poor so they can buy insurance, but give it to the insurance company to administrate and provide through customer purchases. Proof of income, according to the credit check, so the reallly poor get the help they need and reduce gaming and scamming, if possible.

Penalize individuals and insurance companies who make mucho bucks but refuse to pay in.

like no itemized deductions, or standard deductions, for those who make over $200,000. However, their capital gains benefits would still be allowed. But for a really wealthy person this would mean very little.

The industry is also worried the bill doesn't do enough to control health care costs.It's a matter of figuring out how to make those new customers profitable, analysts say.

But a family of four with income of $65,000 would still have to pay nearly 10 percent of that income, or $6,500, toward coverage.

"There aren't a lot of families with an extra $6,500 in their checking account," Laszewski said. "The problem with this bill is the subsidies are really quite modest, and there really aren't any penalties

make the rules so the families who earn over 200,000 pay their fair share

subsidize those that earn under $65,000

Perhaps each citizen could "prove" on their IRS form how they covered health care, how much they spent, and how much was subsidized. Reward healthy behaviors and subsidize the termanilly and chronically ill, where their costs are catastrophic. (this already happens under current law)

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Reply#2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:26 PM EST
politicalcenter

angela - This bill, designed and built by Obama with little objective than to get something passed, is an abomination. And this article is as silly a bunch of nonsense as I have seen, with its title seemingly designed to give some kind of credit for "costing" insurers something. This bill is an insurer welfare bill, one that means so much for insurers they remain largely in the woodwork. A dream bill with no controls and the identical restraints on competition means a worst of all worlds. Led by a guy who was never with any true constituency, who has no moral center, and whose unprincipled acts continue to confound for this reason.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:41 PM EST
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Eric AlbertDeleted
Robert Maxwell

It all sounds complicated and, in some ways, self contradictory. As the report says, we'll be discussing this for years. It would be nice, while we're ironing out the wrinkles, if we could back off from our emotions, stop calling names, and work together to make the plan efficient. Buzz words are no substitute for thought.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:30 PM EST
Eric AlbertDeleted
socalmdc

I like to that “coverage rules” everybody knows rules are made to be broken? We need to find a cure for cancer a good friend of mine had cancer in the insurance company wouldn’t pay for his Hospital Bill because it was quoted that his treatment was experimental?$250,000 is what they billed him for the hospital would not admit him for the next treatment. This is what I call a real death panel luckily my friends sister was a lawyer and is on retainer for one of the largest insurance companies in the US. But it was too late to damage was done when the treatment stopped in the cancer progressed he passed away on Christmas Eve …..Money talks that is the bottom line.

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:39 PM EST
Bubba-939441

"the fines are weak"

Will the fines be less than the premiums? Maybe I won't have to purchase their stinkin insurance!!

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:46 PM EST
Eric AlbertDeleted
Eric AlbertDeleted
Sir. Thinkswaytoomuch

This bill is absolutely ridiculous. We've been pretty much allowing insurance companies to steal from the American people, and now we're effectively handing them the keys to our house and saying 'go for it!'.

But fine, if the American people enjoy being stolen from and are willing to defend their assailants, so be it. I, for one, still think that the American people deserve better than this.

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:19 PM EST
Elvis-362920

Now those who already pay for health insurance can pay again through Federal taxes.

No wonder Americans are making less and less than years ago. Many of the taxes Americans enjoy were non-existent. More taxes (Federal, State, School and Sales) and users fees to pay a glutinous group of politicians to buy more votes from their welfare followers.

  • 3 votes
Reply#11 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:29 PM EST
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USAF Vet-923294

They worry that a government-run plan that sets rates below market prices would pose unfair competition.

And they haven't had to fear competition due to their exemption in anti-trust laws. This bill should have, at the least, lifted that ban!

When are our reps going to represent us instead of business!!??

  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:45 PM EST
CLS11097

As soon as an honest one gets elected or they realize who they are suppose to represent and the lobbyists are kicked out of Washington.

  • 1 vote
#12.1 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:00 PM EST
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Bubba-939441

You guys need to learn to take advantage of the stupidity of the federal government. Buy selective healthcare stocks NOW. The capital gains and dividends over the next few years will pay your fines and pay your healthcare without purchasing insurance.

    Reply#13 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:02 PM EST
    Eric AlbertDeleted
    CLS11097

    Does anyone know what's in these bills that make health insurance affordable? Is there anything? From what I have seen and heard that there really isn't anything, because higher costs to the insurer will just be past on to others through their premiums. Which will raise the price of the premium.

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    Reply#15 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:37 PM EST
    Bubba-939441

    "because higher costs to the insurer will just be past on to others through their premiums."

    Why couldn't 52% of the country see this when Mr Obama made all those lofty promises that our premiums would be less than we paid under Bush??

    • 1 vote
    #15.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:30 PM EST
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    Eric AlbertDeleted
    Tacitus13

    It's a matter of figuring out how to make those new customers profitable, analysts say.

    Why do I have the feeling that the insurers will figure out a way sooner rather than later?

      Reply#17 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:23 PM EST
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