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Terrorist attack foiled aboard U.S. jetliner

Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:43 PM EST
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— ROMULUS, Mich. - A Nigerian man tried to light a powder aboard a commercial jetliner before it landed Friday in Detroit in what senior U.S. officials called an attempted act of terrorism.

Flight 253 with 278 passengers aboard was 20 minutes from the airport when it sounded like a firecracker had exploded, witnesses said. Passengers saw the attempted attack, and one of them jumped on the man and subdued him, an airline official told NBC News.

Stricter security measures were imposed on airline travel, but those were not specified.

The man had “some kind of incendiary device he tried to ignite” in a bag strapped to his body, U.S. officials told NBC News. Other officials told NBC station WDIV-TV of Detroit that the device was a mixture of powder and liquid, which failed to ignite when the passenger tried to detonate it during the plane’s descent into Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport.

Federal officials identified the man as Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, of Nigeria, who was traveling one way, without a return ticket. Dawn Griffith, who was waiting for her husband on the plane, said she saw the man being carted away on a gurney or bed, with his bandaged hands handcuffed to the railing.

The man was being treated at the burn unit of the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, officials said.

In terrorism files?
On Rep. Peter King of New York, the senior Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, who was briefed on the incident, said Abdulmutallab was known in federal counterterrorism files and may have been on the government’s list of suspicious passengers banned from flying in the United States.

King said the incident raised troubling questions about airline security. “It must be looked into” how Abdulmutallab was able to sneak a “somewhat sophisticated device” on board, he said.

Abdulmutallab told investigators that he wanted to set off a bomb over the United States, counterterrorism officials said.

A counterterrorism official said Abdulmutallab, who was subdued by the crew of Northwest Air Lines Flight 253 from Amsterdam, left Lagos, Nigeria, on Thursday and boarded the flight in Amsterdam on Friday.

The timing of the attempted attack could be significant. It was eight years ago this week that a similar attempted attack was launched by a British member of al-Qaida who tried to blow up a flight from Paris to Miami by igniting explosives in his shoes. And the attempted attack comes on the same day that the Taliban released a video of a
U.S. soldier it is holding captive in Afghanistan.

Al-Qaida was responsible for the attacks that killed more than 3,000 people in the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.

News organizations, including msnbc.com, initially reported that the government had raised the terrorism alert for flights after the incident. Those reports were inaccurate; the flight alert had been at orange before the incident.

A pop, and then smoke
There was nothing out of the ordinary until Flight 253, an Airbus 330 carrying 278 passengers, was on final approach to Detroit. Although the jet bore the insignia of Delta Airlines, it was operated by Northwest.

Then came the disturbance in the passenger cabin, and that is when the pilot declared an emergency, said Elizabeth Isham Cory, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, in an e-mail message.

"It sounded like a firecracker in a pillowcase," said Peter Smith, a passenger from the Netherlands told The Associated Press. "First there was a pop, and then (there) was smoke."

At least one passenger acted heroically.

The plane landed at 11:51 a.m. ET. The Transportation Security Administration reported that the plane was taken to a remote area of the Detroit airport and that all passengers left the plane and were rescreened, along with all the luggage on the flight. In addition, all passengers were interviewed, a TSA statement said, before they were allowed to go on their way.

President Barack Obama, who is on vacation in Hawaii, was informed of the incident Friday morning by his National Security Council staff, said Bill Burton, a spokesman for the White House.

An interagency meeting of senior intelligence, law enforcement and security was convened out of Washington to discuss the incident and possible measures to ensure that there no similar attacks, Burton said. Officials would not discuss the security measures, but they said passengers across the country should expect some delays Friday night.

U.S. counterterrorism officials are particularly concerned in light of the 2006 London airline plot, in which British and Pakistani nationals conspired to carry out multiple suicide bombings on board trans-Atlantic flights.

In addition, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the accused mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and his cousin Ramzi Yousef were accused of plotting in 1995 to take down multiple airliners over the Pacific Ocean using explosive devices hidden in airliner lavatories.

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Neesy08

who in the world sets off firecrackers on a plane? good lord!

  • 14 votes
#1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:10 PM EST
KD0858

Sounds like someone thought it was the 4th of July and not Christmas!

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:11 PM EST
"There They Go Again"

Guy has to be a total idiot. He's just lucky it was a Delta flight instead of Southwest. Last time they had a passenger really act up, the rest of the passengers kicked him to death. Maybe that's why they haven't had a really serious incident since.

  • 78 votes
#1.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:23 PM EST
robby-778896

I want to know how they got them onboard, someone was asleep at the checkpoint.

  • 55 votes
#1.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:28 PM EST
MrFrost

Are you kidding me? With all that is going on in the world, someone set off firecrackers on a comercial airplane? Really? How F'ing stupid!!! Dont they screen ANYONE in Amsterdam before they get on a plane? My goodness!!!

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:31 PM EST
KD0858

Seriously, how could someone do such a stupid thing on an airplane and what was his motivation?

It is truly a mad, mad world we live in.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:31 PM EST
Roy-933464

We're going to have to get butt-ass-naked to get on a plane before too long! They're getting to the point that they don't know what to look for.

  • 42 votes
#1.6 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:36 PM EST
tom343

Just think. They moved the plane to a remote, etc. etc. This is pile-on. Some idiot did an idiotic act. For a silly prank, he/she will go to jail for perhaps, decades. What have we become?

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:48 PM EST
demmywemmy

Does airport security screen for gunpowder filled tubes made of paper/cardboard? It might seems obvious, but these days who knows?

btw, Amsterdam normally has excellent airport security. Some of the posters think that it was the TSA, which obviously they are not.

  • 8 votes
#1.8 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:49 PM EST
Mark-306015

TSA rules don't apply outside the U.S.

  • 8 votes
#1.9 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:00 PM EST
Patq

Are security guards now government employees after 911?

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:10 PM EST
Anomalee23

Yawn..HO Hum..they'll take away your bottled water but a lighter and fireworks which could oh..I dunno BLOW UP A PLANE got thru? We wait 2 hours in a security line and this happens? Northwest's new slogan: "We get you there"

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:22 PM EST
Fred G. from N.C.

I hope the "SUBDUING" included a well deserved beating for this moron. On second thought it being Christmas I hope the minimum force necessary was used so he can't use "excessive force" in his defense. I wouldn't want him to not receive the lengthy prison term he so richly deserves!!

  • 33 votes
#1.12 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:27 PM EST
craig speakman

Some people will do anything to get out of having to spend Christmas at his mother in-law's house!

  • 52 votes
#1.13 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:32 PM EST
spider-737231

Hate to say this on Christmas.....but, BEAT HIM SENSELESS!

  • 41 votes
#1.14 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:43 PM EST
Jerry-352313Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Yeah, we heard Chelsea was getting married,

  • 7 votes
#1.15 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:45 PM EST
Edward Bruce Williams

Someone sets off firecrackers in his lap and he is a potential terrorist?

Good Lord, he is just some idiot. Where did common sense go?

  • 5 votes
#1.16 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:04 PM EST
USARogue

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT A MAROOOON!!!

This guy either tried to blow himself and a commercial jetliner by blowing up a few ladyfingers in his lap or he's the most stupid human on this planet.

Either way, thank God it didn't work and I hope they pounded this guy within an inch of his senses.

Oh wait, our marines who gave a terrorist a fat lip are being court-marshalled.

We don't want to hurt any terrorists nowadays, Eric Holder is making sure they have every right available to them.

Sad when we give the enemy more rights than we do.

  • 52 votes
#1.17 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:12 PM EST
Hawaii2

Northwest Commercial Airlines has not had a good reputatiion re: security, safety issues and keeping up their planes in good mechanical order.

They are very much in financial trouble like the others, but this one particular Airliner has had many negative marks.

Remember the two Pilots who missed the landstrip recently. They were sleeping from a source of mine, and not working on their laptops. Told by experts a plane can actually land by itself with all the computer techs available.

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:26 PM EST
charles turner

wait a minute. did explosives go off or was he stopped when he tried to light a powdery substance? that is a huge difference misconstrued by the state-controlled media.

  • 16 votes
#1.19 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:27 PM EST
ToldYouSo-

We all feel so much safer knowing private citizens are all we have to protect our selves from terrorists because our our tax money is going to Global Warming and there is no money left to protect America with.

  • 31 votes
#1.20 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:46 PM EST
Mac-329110

You know, if more people would react like the passengers on this airline did there would be very little or NO need for all this extra personal invasion security.

  • 25 votes
#1.21 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:57 PM EST
HazCatsExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Nigeria? sure it wasn't that cocaine and gun powder stuff they like to smoke? after a six+ hour flight maybe he was just josesing for a fix, I hear that stuff is really addictive.

Or maybe it's just another false falg op, so CIA can up the terror level that was about to drop as nothing has happened in quite awile now.

If you really want to blow up a plane I'd expect him to have a REAL device not just some fire crackers opened on a tray table. Silly as that nut trying to light his shoes a few yers ago..

  • 5 votes
#1.22 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:04 PM EST
Bob in Sanra MonicaRestored

Puleeeze. Terrorism? Idiocy, maybe. But all this crap about authorities are cocerned because of something that didn't happen three years ago.. give me a break. I thought we were done with this nonsense when we got rid of Bush.

  • 12 votes
#1.23 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:39 PM EST
my4653Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Bob.....If you think terrorism is "idoicy" or some kind of joke, then you are truly an IDIOT!

  • 48 votes
#1.24 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:45 PM EST
Stop-The-StatistsRestored

It looks like as this story evolves, it was more than "firecrackers".

Now cue Obama to come out of his vacation hideaway to urge us to "not jump to any conclusions" about this TERRORIST, like he did the fine Maj. Hasan in Ft. Hood who is nothing but a no good, pathetic TERRORIST also!!

I'd loved to have been on that flight just to kick his ass some to. It is likely the harshest justice he'll receive under the current "sympathetic" administration (including the Justice Dept.).

Well, for those keeping count, this is TERRORIST ATTACK #2 on Obama's watch. Even after the world-wide, America sucks tour by the Appologizer-In_Chief. Who could have predicted?

  • 41 votes
#1.25 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:51 PM EST
orbustDeleted
buffalo bob-937857Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

i believe they are talking about a larger incindiary device than a firecracker. simply dont allow muslims to come to our country any more. solution to terrorist threat. i just got an email with a picture of obama with a book in his hand. The Post American World. supposed to be about after the muslims exterminate americans.

  • 29 votes
#1.27 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:12 PM EST
Just Wondering-875934Restored

Okay - having just returned from an hours flight to Oregon where I had to remove shoes, jacket, down vest, belt; I had to put my 3 oz of shampoo, shower gel in A one-quart baggie, and submit my laptop to x-rays - I am now wondering two things. 1) How the heck did the idiot do that and 2) what now will we, the innocent traveling public, be invasively subjected to in the coming years.

I am so ticked off at these islamic morons that I wish there was a way to profile the bastards without being subjected to the wrath of the turbaned, the hajibed, the robed, anyone who faintly resembles this moronic religion. They need to be profiled before allowed to travel on any means of transportation!!!

  • 55 votes
#1.28 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:14 PM EST
Thomas Boyce

It was not a firecracker it was an explosive device.

The Soldiers of Islam are walking in to US now, wake-up world Islamic Jihad is now on all continents, Islam must be treated like Third Reich, the ideology must be crushed before the world becomes a very difficult place to live.

Islam is not going to correct it self unless there is an external threat of extinction presented to its followers.

  • 73 votes
#1.29 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:22 PM EST
XDemonessXDeleted
Starseeker

no more containers of talc, baby powder, or powdered antiperspirants. whoa, that could be an expletive explosive.

  • 2 votes
#1.31 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:23 PM EST
Shift Lock

WTF Federal officials identified the man as Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, of Nigeria, who was traveling one way, without a return ticket.

This is fvcked up... why the hell would they let him on board without checking his return ticket? If you are from a foreign country, immigration law mandates that airlines make sure that one has a return ticket before allowing embarcment...following the rules would have prevented this incident.

  • 44 votes
#1.32 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:31 PM EST
deborah -909179Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Will we ever learn? We have go to stop allowing muslim's or any kin to them in this country. It simply has to stop. They hate us, they want to kill us. I know many of you fall for the line some of them are peaceful and loving. They aren't If they have a terroist sounding name do not let them board any public transportation, enter the U.S. for any reason. I know this in not P.C. for some of you, but I care about my fellow American and do not want to see a repeat of 9-11. This terriost was on the watch list and not suppose to even be allowed in the United States. Someone was asleep at the switch and he got in and almost killed a plane full of people. I hope the United States powers that be learn from this.

  • 34 votes
#1.33 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:34 PM EST
harley121

Total idiot or not, the next head line should read "DEAD Nigerian terrorist man,,, Nigerian man was shot dead after guilty verdict by American court system".

Wake up AMERICA!!!! Fight FIRE W/ FIRE!!!!

  • 48 votes
#1.34 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:34 PM EST
Nancy...WisconsinExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

It looks like these posts were made prior to hearing that it was not firecrackers, but a terrorist attempting to blow up the plane. First Ft Hood, now this. Nobody got this far when Bush was in office.

  • 59 votes
#1.35 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:37 PM EST
bsbfankaren

As much as it seems folks are ready to blame Obama for this, and why not, they blame him for everything else, the fact of the matter is that this person boarded a plane in The Netherlands, then tried to set off some sort of devise on US soil. That's not Obama's fault, but is the fault of someone who dropped the ball in The Netherlands, or was in on this particular plot/ploy.

I have been watching the news all day, and Obama has not yet spoken, so don't believe Stop the Statistics. And although this might equal two on Obama's watch as he so cleverly points out, there were more than two on Bush's watch, one of which killed thousands.

Let's all put this in prospective and realize that both Northwest Airlines and those who dropped the ball in The Netherlands, have some explaining to do. And thank God the people on board the aircraft were alert enough to their surroundings to not let this guy get away with whatever he had planed! And let this be a lesson to folks. A "terrorist" does not necessarily look Arab!

Northwest's takeover of Delta Airlines seems to be causing them more problems then anyone needs. Perhaps the US government needs to take a closer look at what exactly is going on with that company, before something truly terrible happens.

  • 19 votes
#1.36 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:42 PM EST
XDemonessXDeleted
Nancy...Wisconsin

XDemonessX

I never said Bush was my man. We could also play this game and go way back before Bush. Obama appears to think pre- 9/11. In other words, he is not tough enough!

  • 46 votes
#1.38 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:53 PM EST
jerry-319480

ya you have to have a box cutter. and of course you cant have your name on the passenger list.

and norad has to stand aside or you will never get off the ground

  • 1 vote
#1.39 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:55 PM EST
Hawaii2

White House claims Terrorist Attack. Ok, is this guy going to be tried in a Civil Court, too?. Ties to Al Qaida?. How soon, a year, 20 years from now?

This is a mini-terrorist attack for our President. What is going to be his next plan of approach to this?

The way he handles this one will be handled like Hasan from Ft. Hood. Just put them on the "back burner", and consider it a petty crime.

We, the passengers are the ones who will be blown up, along with a lone Terrorist. The Airlines, Intelligence Agencies, along with the FAA especially Northwest Air need to get tougher.

Northwest has a history of being sloppy.

Apparently the standards for Security aren't tight enough yet.. If a terrorist wants to do the job, no amount of security will work.

  • 16 votes
#1.40 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:55 PM EST
XDemonessXDeleted
jerry-319480Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

deborah -909179 are you that brainwashed by the LIE of 911?

wake up. muslims had nothing to do with 911, only people that still think that are dumb or a goverment mole, witch are you?

  • 1 vote
#1.42 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:59 PM EST
Clotho

"Nobody got this far when Bush was in office."

I seem to recall something about the World Trade Center. Wasn't that 2001? Or does Bush get a mulligan for the first terrorist attack?

And if you really want to go there, the shoe bomber got just as far as this guy.

  • 30 votes
#1.43 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:01 PM EST
Bob in Sanra MonicaRestored

There are no reports I can find that say he had an explosive. There were several reports he had fgirecrackers, and no one has said it was NOT firecrackers. Other mistakes initially reported (like the threat level wasn't already Orange before the incident) have been corrected. Maybe it wasn't firecrackers, maybe it was. NO ONE is reporting it was explosive. The guy tried to start a fire, and burned himself. No hysteria called for here, and no justification for all the racist ravings.

    #1.44 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:12 PM EST
    the thinker-318752

    This guy had am one-way ticket so he wasn't planning on leaving. So I'm guessing that he just found out that he was going to be entitled to the "debt-raising, everybody gets it or you're taxed" health care bill and was wanting to celebrate. Like the rest of Americans, he just wanted to celebrate with the invention of the Owners of America - Chinese firecrackers. Now those other fliers on the plane are helping him test the terms of the health bill.

    • 5 votes
    #1.45 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST
    Waterdog49

    msnbc originally reported that the individual boarded the same plane in Nigeria. This seemed fishy to me. When I checked both Delta and Northwest route maps, there are no flights on either airline that link Africa to Amsterdam. It appears that mnbc, in its typical fashion, got that wrong and then changed it. This is an important detail because the individual apparently passed through Amsterdam (Schipol) security undetected. By the way, Amsterdam is the major European hub for what used to be Northwest. When I visited an EU nation this fall, I thought that the airport security staff was extremely lax. They seemed more interested in my deodorant brand than in my security. They also never asked me to take off my shoes. Gee. I thought that the EU had everything "under control", especially the flawless Dutch, who are just so very perfect in every way. Such clean windows! Happy flying, folks.

    • 6 votes
    #1.46 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:18 PM EST
    USARogue

    OUR NATION IS UNDER ATTACK AGAIN, TERRORISM IS A REAL THING MR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!

    A Nigerian man claiming ties to al-Qaida tried to light a powder aboard a commercial jetliner before it landed Friday in Detroit in what senior U.S. officials called an attempted act of terrorism.

    Outside of the obvious outrage the most amazing thing is this is being finally addressed as a TERRORIST attack. As should be the Ft. Hood incident. The Ft. Hood incident actually resulted in dead Americans. This was fortunately stopped by brave passengers that took matters into their own hands. Sounds like MANY errors were made in regards to this attack but we all have to be very cautious of our situation. And our pathetic POLITICALLY CORRECT government needs to wake up and realize that terrorists around the world never did, don't now and never will love us.

    CONTRARY TO WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT WANTS US TO BELIEVE, WE ARE A TARGET!!!!!

    We'll have to see how this unfolds but our security and intelligence needs to be increased. Now maybe many of those that are afraid of losing their freedoms with wiretaps, surveillance and other measures will understand these terrorists will NOT stop their Jihad against us unless we get very serious about fighting the WAR ON TERRORISM!!!!!!! This is NOT an Iraq , Pakistan, Afghanistan problem. It's a GLOBAL PROBLEM!!!!!

    AND ALL YOU BAFFOONS ARGUING ABOUT WHO DID WHAT IN THE PAST BETTER WAKE THE F**K UP AND REALIZE THE FUTURE IS WHAT WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT!!!!!!!

    • 38 votes
    #1.47 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:24 PM EST
    Witchking

    Make him talk ...than execute this Muslim filth

    • 38 votes
    #1.48 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:39 PM EST
    Jerry D WilliamsonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Amazing this is happening again, I didn't read anywhere the word firecracker so I don't understand the 1st dozen posts.

    Second had Clinton killed Osama when Ollie North begged him to instead of getting a BJ by an intern this would not be an issue.

    Third our immigration department and TSA do not screen international flights that is done by that countries security services.

    Seems like the only answer would be to cut the flights to those countries who lack the ability to conduct searches.

    And if this man was on the no fly list how did he get a ticket?

    I agree with all posters who believe we should be fighting fire with fire and our Judicial system is broke as the criminal's now have more rights than the civilians they are suppose to protect.

    • 18 votes
    #1.49 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:48 PM EST
    bsbfankaren

    Demoness, I appreciate what you are saying, but was not responding you specifically. I also posted before it was clear that he had boarded in Nigeria before...I am guessing...changing planes in The Netherlands.

    I do blame Northwest Airlines and believe they should be looked at closely to see what their procedures are, since they didn't catch onto the fact that there was something amiss with this passenger. However, and this is a big however, knowing that Nigeria is a rather lawless land, it seems to me that The Netherlands and any other country excepting flights from there, would be more likely to make sure everything is on the up and up, and therefore someone does in fact need to look at the procedures in Amsterdam, and make some needed changes.

    I am also annoyed that so many people here are finding ways to blame our current President, rather than demanding that the airlines that carry an American flag have someway of checking those that are going to enter our airspace, especially when they have come from another continent or country than the one they are boarding in.

    And a very Merry Christmas to you as well!

    • 13 votes
    #1.50 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:48 PM EST
    Michael-302807

    It is BY FAR time to start PROFILING these types. Simple, MAKE the system SAFE for us NOW you idiots!!!

    By the way, a man on "the watch list" MUST ALWAYS be put on the NO FLY list too. Duh.

    Do you government officials plan to wait until the ismalic b@stards kill more innocent people???

    • 34 votes
    #1.51 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:49 PM EST
    dewintre200

    If we're in charge I'd add Nigerians to the list of nationalities we don't accept as guests or give visas to.

    And if that sounds Draconian, **** 'em.

    • 35 votes
    #1.52 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:51 PM EST
    Waterdog49

    Many posters here are acting as if the TSA (of the US) is stationed in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. As much as I don't want to disappoint you, the Netherlands is NOT the 51st state of the Union and is therefore not under the jurisdiction of the TSA. Northwest/Delta (or is it Delta/Northwest under the current scenario?), a US airline, is a different story, but I always believed that US airlines were at the mercy of the security mechanisms of the countries where they fly. Can someone more knowledgeable than me shed some light on this? I know that El Al, the Israeli airline, has its own agents in Newark that screen you separately from the TSA, and I like that.

    • 5 votes
    #1.53 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:53 PM EST
    Michael-302807

    Yes I spelled it ismalic on purpose. (Islam is a malice.)

    Do a google search.

    People need to recognize islamic fanatics are a malice. Therefore Ismalic.

    To hurt them back we start by giving them their proper title.

    • 19 votes
    #1.54 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:07 PM EST
    XDemonessXDeleted
    Roger-767190

    I don't see the word firecracker in this at all, where is this coming from, also if you stick a firecracker in gas it will do the job. This is not something that should be laughted at or wise cracked about, this could have crashed the plane. Not funny at all. No virgins for this A hole. hope he got his ass kicked i know i would have helped.

    • 9 votes
    #1.56 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:27 PM EST
    Megalodon-358694

    they were referring to the caption on the news video. However, anyone with common sense or has purchased fireworks legally, can tell you a fire cracker can be anything from a lady finger to a equal of a 1/4 stick of dynamite. This could have even been regular powder and a toilet paper roll for anyone knows. I can say, you dont remain in a burn treatment center for a lady finger going off on any part of your body. M-80...maybe if you held it in you hand. Even then....to be hospitalised at least over night? No way man. This was something that had potential to do some real damage. Good thing the guy didnt know what he was doing as a pro bomber, all i can say.

    • 6 votes
    #1.57 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:39 PM EST
    bsbfankaren

    Hawaii2, White House claims Terrorist Attack. Ok, is this guy going to be tried in a Civil Court, too?. Ties to Al Qaida?. How soon, a year, 20 years from now?

    Hawaii2. Do you mean civilian court, or "Civil Court"? As a terrorist that tried to set off a bomb on an aircraft he will fall under Federal court system, and will be tried in a Federal Courthouse, in whatever state. This is the same that is being prepared for those in Guantanimo Bay. So, while you might believe Judge Judy or perhaps the People's Court is the suggested venue for trials of suspected terrorists, you would be absolutely wrong.

    • 8 votes
    #1.58 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:46 PM EST
    Antisocialite

    Wow, shocking!

    I never in a million years would have guessed that a Muslim would be involved in trying to blow up a bunch of innocent people in a terrorist attack. After all, I have it on good authority that Islam is the religion of peace. This must be some sort of mistake!

    • 27 votes
    #1.59 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:06 PM EST
    Hawaii2

    Jerry:

    Witch?---yes, the Muslims had everything to do with 9/11!! Extreme Islamist Muslim Terrorists. Is this title good enough for you?

    Who in your mind, were the culprits and killers of the 9/11 War put upon American soil?

    Just trying to get a baseline of how you think here.

    • 12 votes
    #1.60 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:20 PM EST
    Hawaii2Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    bsfranken:

    You are a pain in the rear. Always have been, and you are still at it.

    Agitator would be a better title. Stick to the subject. Terrorist attack, dearie.

    • 4 votes
    #1.61 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:23 PM EST
    bsbfankarenExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Just in case you missed the news, they have not said the guy was a Muslim, only that he "has ties" to "terrorists in Yemen". Believing all terrorists are Muslim will get us all killed.

    Please understand that there were people out there that will do most anything for the right price, and this could very well have been one of those things, particularly since the perpetrator is from Nigeria, a country who's citizen's spend there time cooking up scams and schemes to perpetrate over the internet! I for one believe this was some kind of test case, to see what is still possible, even with heightened international security.

    • 6 votes
    #1.62 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:23 PM EST
    b duneExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Mancy - Wisconsin

    your quote - "no one got this far when Bush was in office" - who exactly was in office 9/11/2001?

    • 13 votes
    #1.63 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:35 PM EST
    USARogue

    b dune

    who exactly was in office 9/11/2001?

    Hmmmmmm.

    Probably NOT the same guy that was in office on, January 25th 1993 when Mir Aimsal Kansi killed 2 and injured three with an assault rifle in front of the CIA headquarters.

    Or maybe Februaury 26th, 1993 when the FIRST bombing of the WTC occurred killing 6 and injuring over 1,000 people.

    Or maybe March 1st 1994 when the Brooklyn Bridge shootings occurred.

    Or maybe April 19th 1995 when the Oklahoma City bombing occurred killing 168.

    Or maybe July 27th 1996 when the Centennial Olympic Park bombing occurred.

    Need I go on?

    • 15 votes
    #1.64 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:56 PM EST
    bonos_rama

    Wow--that list of terrorist activities shows that Clinton and bush dropped the ball. For Bush to have let 9-11 happen after all those prior acts is absolutely unforgiveble. He wad worse than Clinton. Because he knew all those attacks happened and did not take warnings about 9/11 seriously enough.

    • 16 votes
    #1.65 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:25 PM EST
    Fred G. from N.C.

    Thank God al-Qaida's dastardly plot didn't succeed. Sorry for the 75 year old Grandmothers who'll be singled out for extra screening. I hope this God D*mn fool blew his nucking futs off!!

    • 22 votes
    #1.66 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:29 PM EST
    USARogue

    Hmmmm.

    Possibly, but where does that leave Obama?

    Or is Fort Hood and this terrorist act STILL Bush's fault?

    • 16 votes
    #1.67 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:29 PM EST
    Devil's Son

    USArouge-- The Oklahoma City crime was committed by a US born citizen and former US soldier affiliated with Aryan Nation/KKK groups. Atlanta Olympic bombing done by US citizen from one of the anti-abortion groups. Way different than foreign nationals affiliated with Al-Quada. A lot harder to stop without triggering a bunch of civil rights violations. One might say apples and oranges. Both fruits but not really the same.

    • 9 votes
    #1.68 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:38 PM EST
    Bart-1520868Deleted
    USARogue

    Devil's Son

    Yes, but our Presidents swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

    • 4 votes
    #1.70 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:52 PM EST
    Mac-329110

    I am not sure you can say McVeigh was affiliated with those groups. He had made contact with some of them though.

    Another thought, I heard where Obama is calling for tighter airline security. That is just one more reason for me to avoid flying unless it is absolutely neccessary. If possible I will drive or use Amtrack to get where I want/need to go.

    One more thought. If more people were willing to get involved like the one or two did on this flight the need for the intrusive civil rights violating security would be greatly reduced if not eliminated.

    I would much rather die on a hijacked flight than put up with the security measures you have to go thru now to fly.

    • 3 votes
    #1.71 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:54 PM EST
    John Toradze

    Security measures in some airports are ridiculous. I was boarding in Tbilisi a while back and the two idiots doing screening literally turned off the metal detector because it was bothering them with its beeping. Nobody was looking at the x-ray machine monitor. Instead, the guys were busy at the area just past the metal detector shaking down passengers for cash.

    We all just looked at each other and talked about how if somebody decided to pull something that we would jump them ourselves.

    • 5 votes
    #1.72 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:19 AM EST
    Devil's Son

    USAROUGE--- He certainly does take that oath. But the most effective methods to fight domestic terrorism is to wire tap and surveillance of US citizens. Have you read some of the posts on Newsvine? Should the government arrest all abortion protesters because of the actions of one or a few people? Should the government send in the Army and SWAT in like they did in Waco and Ruby Ridge into the Arayan Nation & KKK compounds? What would you have them do when so many think that the Constitution says they can have a antitank missle for home defense? Many people think that red light cameras violate the Constitution. The conspiracy nuts would quadruple overnight.

    • 3 votes
    #1.73 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:20 AM EST
    ashly-1530204

    i would just like to add that yes i can definately understand why people are complaining about the security breach and how this guy got the substance on the plane, but i didnt read a comment about the heroism of the passenger and the crew for puttin their cape on n jumpin in there to save the day. U ARE HEROES and i think everyone on that flight and their families would express the same gratitude I read he was rolled out on a gurney i hope its cause they beat that dudes ass!!!! go team USA

    • 18 votes
    #1.74 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:34 AM EST
    Fred G. from N.C.

    A one way ticket from a man named Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab didn't raise any red flags in Amsterdam? Are the security screeners smoking the kind bud on the job??? Jeez!!

    • 11 votes
    #1.75 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:00 AM EST
    Stand up, speak out

    deborah -909179 Comment collapsed by the community

    Will we ever learn? We have go to stop allowing muslim's or any kin to them in this country. It simply has to stop. They hate us, they want to kill us. I know many of you fall for the line some of them are peaceful and loving. They aren't If they have a terroist sounding name do not let them board any public transportation, enter the U.S. for any reason. I know this in not P.C. for some of you, but I care about my fellow American and do not want to see a repeat of 9-11. This terriost was on the watch list and not suppose to even be allowed in the United States. Someone was asleep at the switch and he got in and almost killed a plane full of people. I hope the United States powers that be learn from this.

    Don't be foolish. What you're suggesting is like saying "no deborahs allowed on Newsvine" because you, deborah are a fruitcake so all deborahs must be fruitcakes.

    • 5 votes
    #1.76 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:12 AM EST
    Levi777

    How wonderful that this attempt failed. It could have gone so much worse. Vigilance must be 24/7.

    • 3 votes
    #1.77 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:21 AM EST
    RageAgainstThemExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    USA! USA!!!

    Now go bomb someone that can actually defend themselves.

      #1.78 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:31 AM EST
      Waterdog49

      Demoness: I had difficulty understanding your post that was directed to me. Nobody asked you to be secretary. Of what? Secretary of State? Your post seemed to say that the airline had primary reponsibility and not the Dutch authorities. Considering how much we pay for TSA in this country, that didn't make any sense to me. I notice that the Dutch authorities are keeping mum on this. Can you blame them? They should be sued by every passenger and crew member on that plane. It sounds like the Dutch screwed up big again (remember Natalie Holloway in Aruba?). Didn't want to offend a Muslim. After all, Muslims are running their country now.

      • 4 votes
      #1.79 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:05 AM EST
      AC Robertson

      So much for airport security..........

      The headline - 'Terrorist Attack Foiled' is just another LIE, it should be, 'Terrorist succeeded in avoiding airport security AGAIN.' The ONLY good thing was the explosive device didn't work... LOL

      The TSA didn't do their job AGAIN, the name was on the suspicious list, but not on the NO Fly list. But this still didn't raise any flags for extra security checks. The ONLY thing they seem to be good at is to aggravate old ladies, pregnant women and women with babies........

      Makes me feel so safe when I have to take off my jacket, shoes, and hat. And get the EXTRA check , because so many 60+year old retired military white males have blown-up so many planes.... Just because the PC generation does not want to profile..... Ha! Ha!

      Security at most 3rd world nations is almost non-existent. US carriers should require all incoming flights to be screened to higher standards, prior to boarding.......

      • 6 votes
      #1.80 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:06 AM EST
      Microsoft sucks

      Mark-306015

      TSA rules don't apply outside the U.S.

      I've been through europe 3 times this year and the European airports are stricter than TSA unless you're speaking about southern europe.

      However, someone in amsterdam was smokin' too much good $hit to be paying attention to what this scumbag was transporting onboard the plane. Just think he could've actually made some good money transporting illegal drugs, but instead he had less than 90 IQ and thought he could smoke his shoe and nobody would notice.

      • 6 votes
      #1.81 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:59 AM EST
      Tinto De Verano

      Hey People, it was not firecrackers; it is stated that it sounded like firecrackers. It also said that it was “some kind of incendiary device he tried to ignite”, it was a incendiary bomb that failed to go off. We are lucky everyone on the plane could be dead.

      • 6 votes
      #1.82 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:06 AM EST
      TJM07

      I wonder if Holder now understands how difficult it will be to protect NYC from the terrorists when he plans to bring them to that city for trial? Flights come into the city in 3 different airports from all over the world, and it all takes is one security guard to fail in his duty for another act of terror to strike. Certainly makes me sleep well, knowing that Holder is on the job.

      • 17 votes
      #1.83 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:48 AM EST
      Andy-534371

      i believe they are talking about a larger incindiary device than a firecracker. simply dont allow muslims to come to our country any more. solution to terrorist threat. i just got an email with a picture of obama with a book in his hand. The Post American World. supposed to be about after the muslims exterminate americans.

      There is so much wrong in this "paragraph" I don't know where to begin.

      My only conclusion: Buffalo Bill is a troll!

      • 5 votes
      #1.84 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:07 AM EST
      Fred G. from N.C.

      Now the story is coming out that this flight started in Niger,stopped over in Amsterdam,with it's final destination being Detroit. Wow, I'm glad we're providing one way tickets to Muslim men from Niger to Detroit!! I guess I owe the security screeners in Amsterdam an apology,followed by a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot to the Northwest and Delta airline officials who didn't raise a red flag over a one way ticket from Niger to Detroit. Is that a common occurrence?? If it's not,then why wasn't this human hemorrhoid pulled aside in Amsterdam during the plane's stopover?? Is that flight from Niger to Amsterdam a big money maker?? If not should it continue since it's obviously a huge security risk?? If we don't get serious about security and be willing to offend certain Middle Eastern cultures then we're certainly going to regret it since this is certainly not going to be the last attempt by one of these RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS to bring down a flight!!

      • 11 votes
      #1.85 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:31 AM EST
      daggersfriend

      Larger incindary devices when made wrong or stored wrong will appear and sound much weaker than they were suppose to be. This guy could also have been trying to set the plane a fire from the inside which cold have been just as bad. However, due to someone not freezing in fear "Thank you man" the only harm done was to the guy who tried to start the "firecrackers" and the man who jumped on him.

      If I would have been the guy who jumped on him I probably would have used my size 11 boot to stomp out the fire on this guy but hey we can only say what we would have done the really story is someone DID DO SOMETHING!! This guy should get something like a check for 10% of the planes cost or something like that bc he just saved the airline a plane and all that life insurance and everything else.

      • 5 votes
      #1.86 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:53 AM EST
      John Galt speaks

      I don't care what he was lighting, if I was next to him he would not have made it to the ground alive. File it under successful suicide, I would not let the SOB fail that part of his plan.

      • 15 votes
      #1.87 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:56 AM EST
      Ralph OsbonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      Heh heh heh .... now firecrackers have the yahoos screaming terrorism again. This is a publicity stunt gone wrong at worst ... stop looking for terrorists under your beds each night.

      • 2 votes
      #1.88 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:07 AM EST
      domsmom

      It wasn't just an idiot trying to set off firecrackers onboard a plane...It was a terrorist attempt to blow up the plane. Thank you to the brave passengers that put themselves in harm's way to stop this terrorist's efforts.

      • 19 votes
      #1.89 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:15 AM EST
      USARogue

      SO WHERE IS OUR PRESIDENT IN THIS TIME OF CRISIS?????????

      Where is the statement to the people of the United States that just had an attempted terrorist act onboard an airliner over our soil? Hell, for that matter where is ANYONE from the government making a statement? There are MILLIONS of American's travelling during the Christmas Holidays and many are probably concerned. Two terrorist attacks within two months on our soil and our government isn't making any effort to reassure its citizens. Is it that terrorism isn't as important as bribing members of Congress to pass a hoax of a health care redistribution? Is it that terrorism isn't as important as flying around the world to get in photo-ops to proclaim his presence? As usual the media is covering the dithering of our president and government.

      IF OBAMA IS TOO BUSY GETTING A SUNTAN IN HAWAII, LET BIDEN BUMBLE HIS WAY THROUGH A STATEMENT!!!!!

      Someone has to take charge of this real CRISIS. Hell, everything else in this world is a CRISIS to this government why isn't the government treating this the same way? Or is it the fact that our president CAN'T spit the word TERRORIST out from his sensitive lips that the government is trying to find a way to spin this as something other than TERRORISM? This is a terrible lack of response by our government about a CRISIS the whole world is watching.

      BUT JUST THINK, IT'S TAKING EVERYONES MIND OFF THE HEALTH CARE CORRUPTION GOING ON IN CONGRESS!!!!!

      I GUESS RAHM EMANUEL WAS RIGHT, NEVER LET A GOOD CRISIS GO TO WASTE!!!!!!

      • 14 votes
      #1.90 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:25 AM EST
      Ronald Hussein Reagan

      After reading post after post consisting of moronic anti-Muslim tirades, snotty whining about President Obama and the usual right wing xenophobic whore@!$%# I am convinced this guy came to the US because he wanted to be someplace where everybody was as dumb him.

      • 9 votes
      #1.91 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:41 AM EST
      fusseltier

      what does this have to do with where the president is when something like this happens?

      do you have any sense at all?

      • 5 votes
      #1.92 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:42 AM EST
      USARogue

      Ronald Hussein Reagan

      he wanted to be someplace where everybody was as dumb him.

      And of course "everybody" includes Lieberals such as yourself.

      • 7 votes
      #1.93 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:08 AM EST
      oldcavscoutDeleted
      Ronald Hussein Reagan

      The people who blame President Obama for this are truly devoid of brain activity. In all likelihood what happened on this plane is the doing of one inept would be terrorist. For all the right wing cowards who are willing to give up not only your civil rights but the very foundation of the society we live in because you are afraid - why don't you just lock yourself in a bunker, stock up on ammo and wait .... Maybe Dick Cheney will come over and visit if he's not afraid to get out of his bunker.

      • 8 votes
      #1.95 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:26 AM EST
      Rixar13

      Last time they had a passenger really act up, the rest of the passengers kicked him to death. Maybe that's why they haven't had a really serious incident since.

      "There They Go Again"

      Now that's what I call security and no Lawyers involved. We need more like (act up, the rest of the passengers kicked him to death.).

      Ronald Hussein Reagan

      For all the right wing cowards who are willing to give up not only your civil rights but the very foundation of the society we live in because you are afraid - why don't you just lock yourself in a bunker,

      .... Maybe Dick Cheney will come over and visit if he's not afraid to get out of his bunker.

      Don't hold your breath...... Dick Cheney = Chicken Hawk - Chicken $hit

      • 4 votes
      #1.96 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:28 AM EST
      pyrrho-1360106

      Your not that dumb are you?

        #1.97 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:05 AM EST
        b dune

        USA Rogue

        pretty nice spin there - guess you just couldn't answer the question of who was in office 9/11/2001...

        you don't need to go on - you and your buddy from Wisconsin both showed you couldn't defend her statement...but even though her statement was a lie it didn't stop you from defending it with you deflection.......

        • 3 votes
        #1.98 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:12 AM EST
        Ron B-781152

        This is why we need to step up the full pat down searches of the 80 year old white American citizen grandmothers. That will certainly deter those who fit the terrorist profile.

        • 1 vote
        #1.99 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:16 AM EST
        ROY WILSON-336103

        Two terrorist attacks over American soil after only 11 months in office, when Bush kept us safe for 7 and a half years. Could it be related to the Obama/Holder decision to go after the CIA people that kept us safe, making them less willing to aggressively pursue intelligence leads???????????

        Hmmmm.

        • 9 votes
        #1.100 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:30 AM EST
        USARogue

        b dune

        No spin, just facts. You and the world knows Clinton couldn't keep his pants zipped up so he dropped the ball (pun intended) on his chances. Your rationale was debunked when you couldn't defend your boy Obama dropping the ball twice now already with all the terrorist attacks for the past 16 years.

        Or is this POTUS exempt from anything but positive results? Which by the way, he has yet to accomplish any.

        Deflect that.

        • 5 votes
        #1.101 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:32 AM EST
        Ron B-781152

        Roy, you are about retarded. That's like blaming the CEO of McDonald's, who may have instituted reviews of cooking procedures after discovering illegal activities in the kitchen, because subsequent to changes a burger flipper slipped broken glass in a burger.

        • 2 votes
        #1.102 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:41 AM EST
        NEVER FORGET

        PAY attention! They said it SOUNDED like firecrackers.

        • 1 vote
        #1.103 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:42 AM EST
        ROY WILSON-336103

        Clotho "And if you really want to go there, the shoe bomber got just as far as this guy."

        The "shoe bomber" attempt was not over American soil - it was shortly after leaving Europe.

        • 1 vote
        #1.104 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:43 AM EST
        ROY WILSON-336103

        Ron B-781152 "Roy, you are about retarded."

        I should report you for violating the Conduct Code, but I'll match my IQ (144+) against you any day. Why is the suggestion that hamstringing our intelligence services might lead to more frequent terror attacks "retarded"? And how is someone flipping burgers equivalent to trying to crash an airliner with 277 innocent passengers on board?

        • 3 votes
        #1.105 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:52 AM EST
        mdlrnc

        "It sounded like a firecracker in a pillowcase," said Peter Smith, a passenger from the Netherlands told The Associated Press. "First there was a pop, and then (there) was smoke."

        Why do a lot of you state that it was firecrackers. The passengers stated that it sounded like firecrackers. It was a failed explosive device who knows what damage may have been done if it worked. i am interested to see what the explosive device actually was.

        • 2 votes
        #1.106 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:05 AM EST
        Losing Freedom

        I knew it! It didn't take long for the media to spin the firecracker into EXPLOSIVES, create an Al-Qayda link and turn this non-story into a terrorism attack attempt..

        Repeat the nonsense often enough and the idiots will continue to believe..

          #1.107 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:07 AM EST
          tpc-1530483

          Why is this idiot still living???

          He should have been beaten to death or at the very least thrown out of the plane while still flight.

          Imagine how much taxpayers $$$$ would be saved. What rights does he have?

          He was not giving any rights to 280+ passengers.

          Need to go back to wild west days!!!!!!!!

          • 3 votes
          #1.108 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:16 AM EST
          dan-654358

          well, it's gotta be another nutcase raghead

            #1.109 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:17 AM EST
            drbacon

            Not necessarily a nutcase. These extremists are very serious about their hatred for America

            • 1 vote
            #1.110 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:42 AM EST
            k-hai-2Deleted
            tim-580939

            If homeland security wasn't so busy trying to label veterans and american citizens as terrorist, maybe they would have time to go after the real terrorists!!!!!!!!!!! Obama, napolitano and holder are so paranoid about american citizens, and making illegals, legal citizens for votes that they don't have time to go after the bad guys. The current administation has a terrorist watch list of legal law abiding citizens tallying close to a million people. These are people who criticize the new adminisrations policies, hell, I'm sure some of us are on it for writing our opinions on newsvine!!! They think of us as the real enemies because we have the power to vote them out!!!!!!!!!!

            • 9 votes
            #1.112 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:46 AM EST
            goldminor

            Lucky that this guy fumbled whatever process he was trying to initiate. Sounds like he spilled one of his ingredients on his lap. Which is maybe why, there was only flames instead of a boom. Now they need to find out, just what method he was trying to use. Sounds like a close call and a lucky day for all concerned. I hope he burned his dick off; no virgins for this guy.

            • 3 votes
            #1.113 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:26 PM EST
            k-hai-2Deleted
            Fred G. from N.C.

            Ever notice how MSNBC will keep only one vine open on stories that make them uncomfortable (like this one)? Despite the fact ample reason exists to open a second or third vine they keep shuttling into the original one that started as "Man lights firecrackers on plane" and was overhauled. Then again they may be shorthanded due to the holiday. No matter what they do,this story isn't going anywhere. We had damn sure be vigilant the rest of the holiday season, or al-Qaida will give us ample reason to regret it.

            • 5 votes
            #1.115 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:50 PM EST
            XDemonessXDeleted
            minilaungerDeleted
            minilaunger-1530576Deleted
            Bob Hall-1530586

            The real story here is the fact that he was on terrorist list but not the no fly list. This is not new but Obama officials have to take this department of Homeland Security apart and put it back together because Bush and his boys screwed up every thing they touched.

              #1.119 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:35 PM EST
              thattune

              No the problem is that the Obama administration is more concerned with giving these murderers "rights", and not hurting their feelings than he is with the lives of us selfish arrogant Americans.

              No matter what these Muslim maniacs do or how many people they murder, Liberals are right there making excuses. But all it takes is one Christian giving someone a dirty look for these same supposedly caring and tolerant Liberals to stereotype a billion people!

              As long as followers of Islam are going to allow their so-called peaceful "religion" to be hijacked and used to kill people they should be put on flights by themselves. Mohbombed Airlines.

              • 5 votes
              #1.120 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:03 PM EST
              screminmimi

              Roy, Bush may have kept YOU safe, but my family walks the ground of America, not the hallowed halls of the priveleged. On Bush's watch, we lost count of the SS numbers and information stolen from "careless" federal workers. What do you think they will be used for? On Bush's watch, millions of illegals, including a drug and child sex traffic king made it into this country TWICE! First time, he was just deported. On Bush's watch, we almost gave control of our ports to a foreign country. On Bush's watch, jobs disappeared so fast they are now just a hazey memory.

              Many of you on here keep making every discussion a Bush vs. Obaba debate, or a liberal vs. conservative rant. Most of you posting seem to have intelligence and savy. Why don't you start making sensible suggestions that perhaps some politician will sneak and read and adopt for his own campaign platform?

              Although, with all the political correctness abounding, it feels good to vent, doesn't it?

              • 3 votes
              #1.121 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:13 PM EST
              Robert-654077

              This guy tryed to set off a bomb, But it failed to go off. Another Muslem like obama. On the night of 9-11 there was a meeting in Oklahoma where people of other countrys were to see what the US was like and this Video was on the NBC nightly news, and on a TV set in the room was a replay of the 2 planes flying into the twin towers and as the planes hit, ALL THE MUSLEMS stood up and CHEERED and CLAPED there hands, this man that the reporter was talking to said that he could not take that and he had to leave.

              • 2 votes
              #1.122 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:25 PM EST
              ichibanrose

              Demoness--

              You are right. I have been through security many times in Amsterdam and their security procedures are excellent. You have to go through two security checks when boarding aircraft to the US, sometimes three. Also, contrary to the comments regarding marijuana use in the Netherlands, a minority of Dutch people have ever set foot in a smoke shop...like the Red Light District in Amsterdam, the majority of smokers (and sex customers) are tourists. To those of you accusing Dutch security of being "high," I suggest you do a little travelling to broaden your horizons. Also, it might be a good idea to acquaint yourself with spell check.

              Furthermore, you Obama bashers are hilarious as usual. I'm sure if you slip on the ice on your own sidewalk, you will find a way to blame it on Obama.

              • 3 votes
              #1.123 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:59 PM EST
              Jimmys CrackhornDeleted
              minilaunger-1530576Deleted
              Fred G. from N.C.

              Who were we at war with when RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORISTS blew up a 747 over Lockerbie,Scotland 21 years ago? Who were we at war with when RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORISTS hijacked four planes and turned them into WMDs on September 11,2001?? Those of you who want to blame everything on the U.S. need to reach down and pull your heads out of your nether regions and realize that RADICAL ISLAM has declared a JIHAD on everyone who doesn't ascribe to their radical views of Islam.The second you figure that out maybe you can start being a part of the solution,rather than being a pain in the a$$ to those of us who already are!!!

              • 6 votes
              #1.126 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:09 PM EST
              dewintre200

              For Bush to have let 9-11 happen after all those prior acts is absolutely unforgiveble.

              And I suppose anything that happens on Obama's watch is interestingly enough Bush's fault also.

              Curious how that works. All presidents before and after Bush get a free pass. I call BULL**** on that.

              • 3 votes
              #1.127 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:12 PM EST
              PragmaticToAFault

              They guy SAYS "I'm with Al Qayda" and this report has the "authorities" saying "there's no proof"???????

              HE SAYS HIS WITH AL QAYDA. Why isn't that enough?

              Because they WANT to let him off the hook.

              And THAT is this administration's fault.

              He was on a watch list, purchased a ONE WAY TICKET, flying out of Muslim country, AND a Visa, and no asked any questions?

              OMFG, I hate Obama's government. And don't say "It's NW/Delta's fault!!" It's only their fault if they have ALL the information Homeland Security has, and they don't.

              • 8 votes
              #1.128 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:19 PM EST
              Derek-V

              I do not blame Barrack Obama for terrorism. They were doing what they do long before he became anyone to anyone. Terrorism is what it is... Murder in the name of God... Although it takes a bit of a fool to believe that these Muslims who do it in the name of Allah... or Christians who during the inquisitions, murdered in the name of the Church, or any other time they used Christ as a standard of war. Or, Far Eastern cultures who have Murdered Millions to purge the world of "Barbarians". Even Central/Southern American Cultures who Murdered untold Numbers to satisfy the angry Gods as their people looked on in full awareness of the act. This "THING" we call Terrorism or Murder in the name of a "god".... is but one thing.... Murder of one person by another in order for one to get what they want from another. It is the ultimate action in the propitiation of an agenda.

              Blaming God, or Religion is like blaming Water for people who drown in it. Or Blaming Fire because of those who burn to death in it. It is no more the fault of the water or fire then it is the God in who's name murders are carried out BY MEN wanting to achieve their agendas ends. In each case the fault, blame... whatever one wishes to call it falls on one thing and one thing only. The evil twisted heart of man and his willingness to go to any length to achieve his agenda's and goals.

              Through my 43 years of life, watching and seeing what I have through the many unique situations I have had a chance to live through and in. I have come to a very disheartening determination about this particular brand of terrorism that is used by the Radical Muslims... this THING called... "Jihad"... All of the other forms of murder as a tool of terror cannot really be substantiated beyond the will of man, or HIS interpretation of what he feels God is telling him. Regretfully, in the Muslim Faith, there is just enough written in what they consider to be their most Holy Book, the Koran, a book they believe must be followed to the letter... no different then some who take the Christian Bible 100% literally and live in under its guidance. But, unlike the Bible, the Koran DOES have specific language that promotes a "Cleansing" of the infidel. It is easily amplified by their teachers and clerics to a whole different level... but even at its written face value, the writings can be considered by some as dangerous. Hence, it can only be assumed that those who read, live by and believe the Koran is to be taken at 100% face value are dangerous people... certainly not all... but certainly not few either. Their are Thousands if not Millions who believe these writings just as they are written and only stopped from carrying them out by threat of consequence. Once that threat is removed, however, I feel they can all be expected to follow the writings to the letter. It is central to their faith.

              Obama, instead of focusing his effort on those who have brought their crimes of murder and terror to the world.... has chosen to bring his efforts against those of us who must fight these Radicals who would see us all dead. I find his focus to not only be sad... but extremely misguided, and questionable when looked at from the simple position of "WHY?"..... Why focus on those who try to fight this "Murder in the name of God" agenda? Why make their actions a tool for the enemy to use against those who still must fight on even after allegations are made? It is very offensive to those who have risked their lives in the past both recently and in time past. And even more so for the families of those who have given their lives... in order to try to bring a level of justice to a crime that has really seen NO JUSTICE AT ALL... Other then the Justice our military and its people are able to inflict... it is the only justice those people understand. Obama has undermined that... and he will suffer in his lost re-election attempt for it. Meanwhile... his effort have encouraged the terrorists. They now know their efforts will not be fought with all vigor. After all... doing so could and likely would cause the person or persons who are willing to do what is necessary to bring these murderers to justice, to... Per Obama's directive... end up in a jail cell right along side the terrorists themselves. And that is very very sad... and very very unfair to those who are tasked with protecting us. And to me begs some very serious questions to be answered by Mr. Obama.

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              #1.129 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:27 PM EST
              Magnum Serpentine

              I guess people will stop thinking about the health care circus and start thinking about Terrorism.

              • 1 vote
              #1.130 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:29 PM EST
              BBYANKO

              Hey, Robby your right someone fell asleep at the check point. I still dont feel safe knowing that Janet Napalitano is in charge. That woman couldn't even secure our borders in Arizona when she was governor. Obama can keep kissing ass to the muslim world, it still wont change their way of behavior towards the west. Obama is living in this fantasy world when it comes to this issue. I personally dont trust any muslim no matter what.

                #1.131 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:17 PM EST
                XDemonessXDeleted
                Chuck H-316019

                Friends of Obama!

                  #1.133 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:13 PM EST
                  Chuck H-316019

                  It wasn't fireworks that this guy attempted to set off it was a device that contained PETN, also known as pentaerythritol, a highly explosive device. Wonder if Obama will sign the death warrant on a terrorist?

                    #1.134 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:19 PM EST
                    ldo

                    "Rep. Peter King, top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, has said in media interviews that Mudallad's name was listed in U.S. counter-terrorism databases, but was not specifically listed on an official U.S. government "no fly list" which the government uses to completely ban passengers from flying into the United States."

                    Source: Newsweek Posted Saturday, December 26, 2009 12:26 PM

                    This is the source of the problem, two Government computer systems not talking to each other. And just to think how many BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS were spent on the President's new computer system targeting CYBERSECURITY.

                    Seems This Administration is more concerned about American citizens making rough comments about him and his Administration than TERRIORISTS TARGETTING THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.

                    • 1 vote
                    #1.135 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:31 PM EST
                    Moveright

                    I wonder if he was carrying Obama's real birth certificate?

                    • 1 vote
                    #1.136 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:34 PM EST
                    Rixar13

                    Two terrorist attacks over American soil after only 11 months in office, when Bush kept us safe for 7 and a half years.

                    ROY WILSON-336103

                    I should report you for violating the Conduct Code, but I'll match my IQ (144+) against you any day.

                    Too funny, did you take Karl Rove's I.Q. test..?? Kept us safe for 7.5 years while destroying the world economy..?? Yeah, genius?? Were you ever in the military? Too smart for that huh?

                    • 1 vote
                    #1.137 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:57 PM EST
                    david-475776

                    MrFrost - With all that is going on in the world, someone set off firecrackers on a comercial airplane?

                    Tinto De Verano - Hey People, it was not firecrackers; it is stated that it sounded like firecrackers.

                    For those that ever lived at Europe there are those legal firecrackers nicknamed "blockbusters" that can blow the windows out of a VW. And for those that know about Explosives (example, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, a small explosive can be used as a "blasting cap" (initator).

                    bsbfankaren - As much as it seems folks are ready to blame Obama for this,

                    Let's hear President Obama denounce Islam publically four times. As once in as a "believer" never out or.

                    Ok, then instead of denouncing all of Islam, how about US President Denouncing the Holy Koran Passages (Calls to War, with those "Believers" either doing these Suras or being declared "Unbelievers" as there are no "moderates, liberals, etc. Believers"), Suras 2.190, 2.191, 2.192, 2.193, 2.194, 2.195, 2.216, 2.217, 4.74, 4.75, 4.76, 8.12, 8.13, 8.14, 8.15, 8.16, 8.17, 8.65, 8.66, 8.67, 8.68, 8.69, 9.5, 9.6, 9.13, 9.14, 9.15, 9.29, 9.30, 9.31, 9.32, 9.33, 9.123, 17.33, 22.38, 22.39, 33.60, 33.61, 33.62, 47.4, 47.5, 47.6, 47.7, 47.8, 47.9, 47.10, 47.11, 47.12, 47.13, 48.16 which would also mean denouncing the Hadith, Fiqh, and Islamic Sharia Law that enforce these Holy Koran (Quran) Suras; including "deception" (lying to "Jaffar" ("Unbelievers", anyone that is not a "Believer of Islam")). With the Holy Koran, Hadith, Fiqh, and Islamic Law superceeding all other Nations Laws.

                    "The judgment against those who harm Allah and His Prophet is more severe – the death penalty." - Islamic Legal Scholar Qadi 'Iyad ibn Musa al-Yahsubi (equal to US Supreme Court).

                    bsbfankaren - there were more than two on Bush's watch, one of which killed thousands.

                    Clotho - I seem to recall something about the World Trade Center. Wasn't that 2001? Or does Bush get a mulligan for the first terrorist attack?

                    Like I mentioned before. During the President Clinton Reduction In Forces of the US Military this resulted in the cut to the bone capabilities of the US Military, including Special Warfare to verify, confirm, Intelligence. Because of these cuts and cuts to the Intelligence Agencies the US had "Intelligence Blackouts" of entire Regions and at times had to rely on non verified intelligence and even potentially hostile intelligence sources - 9/11 Commission

                    Hawaii2 - The way he handles this one will be handled like Hasan from Ft. Hood. Just put them on the "back burner", and consider it a petty crime.

                    From the Holy Koran (Quran):

                    Sura 8.15 O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. (Kill them).
                    Sura 8.16 And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.
                    Sura 8.17 So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

                    bsbfankaren - they have not said the guy was a Muslim

                    From the Article:

                    A 23-year-old Nigerian who claims to be an agent of al-Qaida was charged Saturday with trying to blow up a Northwest Airlines flight on Christmas Day as it was preparing to land in Detroit.

                    One of the "criteria" to be Al Quada is to be a "believer" of Islam. With Islam being "All", no separation of church and state, Law, Politics, Religions, Culture, "Way of Life", etc. that superceeds all other Nations Laws, Politics, Religions (that must be subjegated), Cultures, "ways of life", etc..

                    boons_orama-131388 - Wow--that list of terrorist activities shows that Clinton and bush dropped the ball. For Bush to have let 9-11 happen after all those prior acts is absolutely unforgiveble. He wad worse than Clinton. Because he knew all those attacks happened and did not take warnings about 9/11 seriously enough.

                    b dune - USA Rogue pretty nice spin there - guess you just couldn't answer the question of who was in office 9/11/2001...

                    you don't need to go on - you and your buddy from Wisconsin both showed you couldn't defend her statement...but even though her statement was a lie it didn't stop you from defending it with you deflection.......

                    Like I mentioned before. During the President Clinton Reduction In Forces of the US Military this resulted in the cut to the bone capabilities of the US Military, including Special Warfare to verify, confirm, Intelligence. Because of these cuts and cuts to the Intelligence Agencies the US had "Intelligence Blackouts" of entire Regions and at times had to rely on non verified intelligence and even potentially hostile intelligence sources - 9/11 Commission

                    My comment. These "assets" take decades to train, place, and still have not recovered from the President Clinton cut to the bone Reduction In Forces of the US Military and decreased Intelligence Agency Budgets. And I think that President Clinton went after the US Intelligence Agencies because of President Bush (first one) used to be the Director of the CIA.

                    Ronald Hussein Reagan - After reading post after post consisting of moronic anti-Muslim tirades, snotty whining about President Obama and the usual right wing xenophobic whore@!$%#

                    Ronald Hussein Reagan - The people who blame President Obama for this are truly devoid of brain activity. In all likelihood what happened on this plane is the doing of one inept would be terrorist. For all the right wing cowards who are willing to give up not only your civil rights but the very foundation of the society we live in because you are afraid - why don't you just lock yourself in a bunker, stock up on ammo and wait .... Maybe Dick Cheney will come over and visit if he's not afraid to get out of his bunker.

                    screminmimi - Roy, Bush may have kept YOU safe, but my family walks the ground of America, not the hallowed halls of the priveleged. On Bush's watch, we lost count of the SS numbers and information stolen from "careless" federal workers. What do you think they will be used for? On Bush's watch, millions of illegals, including a drug and child sex traffic king made it into this country TWICE! First time, he was just deported. On Bush's watch, we almost gave control of our ports to a foreign country. On Bush's watch, jobs disappeared so fast they are now just a hazey memory.

                    Many of you on here keep making every discussion a Bush vs. Obaba debate, or a liberal vs. conservative rant. Most of you posting seem to have intelligence and savy. Why don't you start making sensible suggestions that perhaps some politician will sneak and read and adopt for his own campaign platform?

                    Although, with all the political correctness abounding, it feels good to vent, doesn't it?

                    All those things you declared "illegal" under President Bush are now legal under President Obama:

                    With all those things considered and stated as illegal by ardent Bush Basher, Naomi Wolf being made legal during this administration. See "The End of America: Letter of Warning To A Young Patriot", October 11, 2007. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc (about 47 minutes):

                    January 21, 2009. First Bill signed back into Law. Patriot Acts.

                    Februrary 2009. Revised Insurrection Act. Authorized use of US Military against US Citizens within the US. US NORTHCOM authorized to use the States National Guard/Reserves without the permission/knowledge/authorization of State Govenors or AGs. This includes use of States National Guard/Reserves in another State without permission/knowledge/authorization of either State.

                    March 2009, H.R.1955 and S.1959, "Homegrown Domestic Terrorist" Act. Aka the George Orwell, "1984", "Thought Crimes Laws", in that the thought not the action is the crime. Gurantees "US Government as Usual". In that "anyone stating a radical change to (US) Government" is a "Homegrown Domestic Terrorist". This includes monitoring, censorship of all US Communications.

                    April 2009. US President makes new US Policy during meeting with Mexican President. US Military will not be used to secure US Borders. CDC directed not to call it the "Mexican Flu" (historically viruses named after outbreak location, in this case Mexico City) as this is not the single virus "Swine Flu" (misnomer) this "Mexican Flu" is a combination of Human Flu, Swine Flu and Avian Flu while the meeting is going on. The First Rule of Epidemiology, Quarantine (with Air Travel monitoring, thermography) will not be used, with Quarantine enabling more time to research, test, and produce sufficient vaccines. With the US President stating that "financial matters are more important than potential US Citizens being infected".

                    August 2009. US President meeting with Mexican President and Canadian Prime Minister. Restated again US Military will not be used to secure US Borders. And again The First Rule of Epidemiology, Quarantine (with Air Travel monitoring, thermography) will not be used, with Quarantine enabling more time to research, test, and produce sufficient vaccines. With the US President stating that "financial matters are more important than potential US Citizens being infected".

                    And:

                    And immigration remained a sore spot. While Obama has said he'd like to start crafting an overhaul that legalizes millions of Mexican immigrants, there's little chance of Congress acting this year, since even top administration priorities like health care and climate policy are moving slowly amid heated partisan debate.

                    The numbers of Illegal Aliens detected by certain US Government Agencies using facial recognition software during the 2006 Illegal (no permits) protests Nationwide against stricter 2006 Illegal Alien Laws based on California Proposition 187, is 23 Million. This does not include the 1000s of "anchor babies" born each day. With the US Supreme Court indicating that the 14th Amendment pertains to Slaves involuntarily brought to the US; not "anchor babies" nor Illegal Aliens who are committing crimes against the Citizens of the US and the US Government, specifically Conspiracy to Commit Fraud and Fraud. This explanation (decision) was demanded by both the Illegal Aliens "Harbor States" and those States enforcing the Laws against Illegal Aliens. When this became the decision of the US Supreme Court the "Harbor States" became silent about asking for this decision from the US Supreme Court and even keeping this out of the US News. For those that read and write Espanol, there are Mexican websites that are encouraging pregnant women to come to the US, it has not been proven nor disproven yet if these sites are Mexican Government sponsored (funded), this was also how the Illegal Protests Nationwide of 2006 by Illegal Aliens was also organized.

                    Regarding the Mexican handling of their own Illegal Alien problem on the southern Mexican Border with Guatemala, this is handled by the Mexican Army with standing orders to shoot to kill. See US State Department Travel Advisory as to why:http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1129.html

                    Also before you say it. Illegal Aliens do not pay income taxes so that the IRS does not turn them in to the ICE or INS. They are paid under the table in cash. Translation you will be paying for their Insurance. So when Joe Wilson got out voted in committee to include stricter exculsions of Illegal Aliens the "You Lie" was an understatement.

                    With the Speaker of the House, representing the Bankrupt Illegal Alien Harbor State of California. Over 10 Billion USDs each year of 85 Billion USDs yearly Budget spent on Illegal Aliens, money not available for brush clearing (Forest Fires), Irrigation (Fires, droughts), Law Enforcement (take over by MS 13/14, Sureños and Norteños who claim to "own" California), Medical Facilities Bankrupt (due to fake names used by Illegal Aliens, bankruptcy court documents), Education/Schools (recent tuition hikes, USC), Public Infrastructure, etc.. And the House Speaker saying that California is the model for the rest of the US. With the Speaker of the House and Senator Max Baucus getting bribes from the Insurance Corporations:

                    House speaker will keep money from 'villains' http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32237227/ns/politics-cq_politics

                    Also: April 2009 as condoned permitted by US President/Commander in Chief, Defense Budget Cuts. While we are at War. Hint: You cut the Defense Budget after you withdraw us. You just do not learn, just like Vietnam except this time the US President allow/condoned/permitted this to happen, unlike President LBJ who went on TV to embarrass Congress, "this (Defense Budget Cut) is killing our boys at Vietnam".

                    August 2009, US President sends US Civilians to Combat Zone (Afghanistan). This is a sign of attempting to fight a Asymmetric War with Conventional Warfare. Historical loser (Conventional Warfare versus Asymmetric Warfare). With these "privilaged" Political Appointees, Lawyers, "book smart" Civilian Experts proving to the dirt poor Afghans about the "decadence" of the "Foreigners" as preached by the Taliban, Al Quada, Hamas Foreign Fighters, Chechen Foreign Fighters, undoing years of my mens work in minutes; like the Secretary of State Embassy Guards dancing drunk and naked.

                    Then we have the Secretary of State giving the Hamas Warlords 900 Million USDs of US Aid, which like the Somalis Warlords used this money to recuit more neutral Palestinians to join Hamas or starve. With these new Hamas recuits to prove their loyality sent worldwide to kill US Military/ US Citizens as Hamas Foreign Fighters. With these Hamas Foreign Fighters equipped by Iran with modern Russian Federation weapons manufactured in China (China gets Iranian Oil in exchange). With the majority of these Hamas Foreign Fighters sent here to Afghanistan or neighboring Pakistan.

                    And August 2009, the Lawyers sent to here to prosecute the US Military for violations of the 1907 Hague Convention and 1949 Geneva Convention "Conventional Rules of Warfare". Meaning you cannot shoot until shot, and if you survive then you can shoot back. And the Taliban, Al Quada, Hamas Foreign Fighters, and Chechen Foreign Fighters know this so they use the biggest/deadliest weapons first, like RPGs, Anti Tank Rifles, 12.5mm machineguns to kill you so you cannot survive to shoot back.
                    With the US Military being actively hunted for violations of Conventional Rules of Warfare by the Lawyers (so that they can earn their keep):

                    US Military four levels of legal authority:

                    (1) the international order of the laws and usages of war and resolutions
                    of the United Nations Security Council;

                    (2) U.S. law;

                    (3) Iraqi or Afghan law, including
                    orders of the CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority Orders) that have not been superceded; and

                    (4) Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

                    U.N. Security Council Resolution 1483 ¶ 4 (May 22, 2003)(calling upon "all
                    concerned to comply fully with their obligations under international law including in particular the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and the Hague Regulations of 1907")

                    Translation if your "suspected" of a violation of a Conventional Rule of Warfare you are detained (imprisioned) and will go bankrupt hiring a Legal Defense for four possible criminal trials. Unless you want to automatically loose, by getting an appointed attorney (Judge Advocate General, JAG) who happens to be the subordinate officer of the Prosecutor (JAG Commander).

                    Since another thing that you have previously shown ignorance of (taugh at higher US Military College levels since 1991) is that all Wars following the "Cold War" (1945-1991, US versus USSR, including allies/alliances) would be Asymmetric and NOT Conventional. Loading a bomb in Turkey on a F-16 or F-15 to bomb a target in Afghanistan is not a Combatant. Neither is launching a bunch of ship or sub borne cruise missiles and hitting the wrong targets (Libya, Iraq) and pissing off the entire Islamic World (President Clinton). Same with all the bombers sent from RAB (Ramstein AFB) and Zweibrucken AFB hit all the wrong targets; like what we told you NOT to attack, Gerber Baby Food Factory; unless you want to piss off all the Islamic Mothers Worldwide.

                    And do you even know where the "Obama Strategy to Win Afghanistan" came from. The War Plan came from the General that he fired.

                    McKiernan Leaves As U.S. Strategy Shifts

                    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/11/eveningnews/main5007510.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

                    But even as he outlined the new strategy, McKiernan made it clear he was still not convinced there were enough troops to pull it off.

                    With the President not knowing the "Commander's Intent" (person that wrote the War Plan). With the person that wrote the War Plan briefing subordinate Commands that then place in their Operations Orders "Commander's Intent" (because General McKiernan's War Plan was not approved it was not briefed, so no "Commander's Intent", and no Operations Orders written). And I seriously doubt that former General McKiernan will tell the current adminstration anything, due to all the adverse crap that more than likely ruined the rest of his life.

                    And the real reason he got fired:

                    General: Afghanistan Demands Urgent Action

                    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/01/world/main4491358.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

                    (I told you about the Chechen Foreign Fighters, and not included in the above Hamas Foreign Fighters).

                    Thanks for making our job impossible.

                    Happy Holidays

                    It is not my intention to disclose "Classified Information".

                    After the First World Trade Center Bombing, the Saudi Arabians offered extradition of Osama Bin Laden for punishment, which President Clinton refused.

                    The Libiyans offered to capture and turn over Osama Bin Laden, with President Clinton promptly authorizing the bombing of Libya by the USAF Germany (Ramstein AFB, and Zweibrucken AFB) and ship/sub borne cruise missiles.

                    Special Warfare Team told to stand down after having Osama Bin Laden in their "cross hairs" (M107, .50 caliber, Barrett Sniper Rifle). Guess who, President Clinton, citing the US Policy of No Assassination.

                    Later on Special Warfare Team told to stand down after having Osama Bin Laden in their "cross hairs". Tora Bora. Guess who, US Congress, citing the US Policy of No Assassination. They also did not want to get "Christian Hands Bloodied" and wanted the Afghans to take capture Osama Bin Laden with out the involvement (support) of the US Military Special Warfare Forces (that were there). And "we" do not want to turn Osama Bin Laden into an Islamic Martyr for the Al Quada International Franchise, inflaming the entire "Muslim" (Islamic) World into Jihad (which would have to be obeyed by all "believers" of Islam by Law of the Holy Koran, Suras 8 and 9 or you are declared an "unbeliever" subject to the death penalty. So there are your "peaceful" Islamic "believers", non existant, as Islam is "all", no separation of church and state, all politics, all Laws, Culture, "way of life", that superceeds all other nations laws, politics, cultures, "ways of life", until they are subjegated (Sura 47, the Holy Koran) and this includes fortifying and arming all Mosques (Sura 2, the Holy Koran). And if you think any "believers" will ally themselves to you, they will be executed as "Confederates", "Collaborators" in accordance with Sura 33 of the Holy Koran. And you cannot quit Islam, once a "believer" always a "believer" or (death squads sent from local Mosque, Sura 2 of the Holy Koran (Quran), Hadith and Sharia Law):

                    The judgment against those who harm Allah and His Prophet is more severe – the death penalty. - Islamic Legal Scholar Qadi 'Iyad ibn Musa al-Yahsubi.

                    Lastly if you bother to read all of this maybe you will be able to solve most of the problems so that I have a "United States" of America to return to. By the way research the fact, cite your references before you start name calling.

                    By the way, DO SOMETHING:

                    Contact President.

                    http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

                    Contact Congress.

                    http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

                    ROY WILSON-336103 Two terrorist attacks over American soil after only 11 months in office, when Bush kept us safe for 7 and a half years. Could it be related to the Obama/Holder decision to go after the CIA people that kept us safe, making them less willing to aggressively pursue intelligence leads???????????Hmmmm.

                    Ah, yes, second vote.

                    • 5 votes
                    #1.138 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:18 PM EST
                    JWLTude

                    It wasn't a fire crack, don't you people READ, it was PETN(Pentaerythritol tetranitrate).

                    Discription: The most obvious use of PETN is as an explosive. It is more sensitive to shock or friction than TNT or tetryl, and it is never used alone. It is primarily used in booster and bursting charges of small caliber ammunition, in upper charges of detonators in some land mines and shells, and as the explosive core of detonation cord.

                    And this idiot was an engineering student. Well, he was just smart enough to get on a plane and transfer to an overseas flight to America with out being detected. All he had to do was get a passport and an American visa by telling the authorities his real name.

                    Well, one things for sure. He won't have any need of the 72 virgins, what with a fried one-eyed vein now welded to his leg. Heck of a way to practice birth control!

                    • 4 votes
                    #1.139 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:27 PM EST
                    david-475776

                    Rixar13

                    Kept us safe for 7.5 years while destroying the world economy..??

                    Completely off topic. However; if you want to fix the problem:

                    Repeal the 1999 Gramm Leach Bliley Act and the 2000 Modernization Act. RESULTS:

                    Got rid of the Glass Steagall Acts to prevent another 1907 Depression and 1929-1939 Great Depression.

                    Legalized the known causes of the previous Depressions. Gambling on Stocks not owned, Swaps, Derivatives (aka Insurance). Legalized the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, isda.org, activities, resulting in the "Global Economic Crisis" by gambling on "credit defaults" (Mortgage Crisis)(some think they caused the "credit defaults" as Millions to make Trillions profit) ISDA Profit 60-100 Trillion USDs. As to why the Billion USD Bailouts mean nothing.

                    Repeal 1994 NAFTA, CAFTA, SAFTA, Asian Free Trade Agreement and All Free Trade Ammendments. RESULT of 1994 NAFTA, CAFTA, SAFTA, Asian Free Trade Agreement:

                    Legalized the previous heavily tarriffed "Outsourcing".

                    Forced the US Military to spend more money by running Nationwide Government Owned Government Operated (GOGO) and Government Owned Contractor Operated (GOCO) Factories/Plants, since US Corporations could no longer comply with US Code (Law) requiring US Military to "Buy US Only Products, Goods and Services".

                    Term Limits.

                    All Lobbyists Illegal.

                    One step further:

                    US Citizens vote on all issues, one for one voting, similar to electronic banking. As monitored by No Such Agency.

                    Later US Congress selected by each State Jury Selection Computers, paid "US National Avergage Middle Class" Salary. Live in D.C. in "Middle Class" house owned by State. Considered as a Civic Duty, or like US Military Service, with benefits ending after term limit. After completion of Service returned to same neighborhood and State, with peer pressure being a motivator to do a "good job" at Congress. There are more researched details of how this will work.

                    • 3 votes
                    #1.140 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:40 PM EST
                    Ronald Hussein Reagan

                    Roy WIlson with the 144 IQ - I can run a mile in just over three minutes - I can also eat five hundred hot dogs in one sitting, plus- well I'd like to tell you more about myself but Heather Graham is on the phone and says she wants to come over and look at my outlandishly large member.

                    • 5 votes
                    #1.141 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:47 PM EST
                    ad1965

                    The authorities should let him do exactly what he set out to, and blow himself up; only stick him in a field where he could harm no one else. They should also find some of his family and have them right next to him. Televise all of it on public television. We would see how quickly the next radical Muslim extremist would step up, knowing their own family would be killed for their selfish, idiotic actions. How many terrorist activities do we have to endure before profiling them and letting none of them fly? They are the same profile time after time.

                      #1.142 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:05 PM EST
                      Auteur 1536

                      They're all idiots, those terrorists.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.143 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:09 PM EST
                      J Lynch

                      It wasn't a firecracker!! It was a detonator for setting off the Petn strapped to his body. If this is confirmed, no trial required. Take him to a brick wall aim a shotgun with 00 buck shot and publically shot him. This will make others like him think twice.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.144 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:23 PM EST
                      Stand up, speak out

                      USARogue

                      SO WHERE IS OUR PRESIDENT IN THIS TIME OF CRISIS?????????

                      Where is the statement to the people of the United States that just had an attempted terrorist act onboard an airliner over our soil? Hell, for that matter where is ANYONE from the government making a statement? There are MILLIONS of American's travelling during the Christmas Holidays and many are probably concerned. Two terrorist attacks within two months on our soil and our government isn't making any effort to reassure its citizens. Is it that terrorism isn't as important as bribing members of Congress to pass a hoax of a health care redistribution? Is it that terrorism isn't as important as flying around the world to get in photo-ops to proclaim his presence? As usual the media is covering the dithering of our president and government.

                      IF OBAMA IS TOO BUSY GETTING A SUNTAN IN HAWAII, LET BIDEN BUMBLE HIS WAY THROUGH A STATEMENT!!!!!

                      Someone has to take charge of this real CRISIS. Hell, everything else in this world is a CRISIS to this government why isn't the government treating this the same way? Or is it the fact that our president CAN'T spit the word TERRORIST out from his sensitive lips that the government is trying to find a way to spin this as something other than TERRORISM? This is a terrible lack of response by our government about a CRISIS the whole world is watching.

                      I guess you prefer this type of response.

                      http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.145 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:25 PM EST
                      ArmyVetOfc

                      You know it’s hilarious listening to the right wing nutcases talking against Muslim extremism, YET, they want the USA to become the Taliban when it comes to crime and punishment. This case requires LIFE in prison without the possibility or parole OR if it had killed anyone it deserves the death penalty, nothing more, nothing less. Will you conservatives STOP trying to turn the United States into the United Taliban Empire. We are a nation of laws, not the barbarians that you conservatives want the US to be.

                      • 2 votes
                      #1.146 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:50 PM EST
                      bsbfankaren

                      David,

                      Wonderful of you to get everything in in one long post. However, please allow me to add my two cents in a much shorter post.

                      Mind you, what I posted yesterday was before the media had latched onto a whole lot more information on the suspect than what was available at the time. With that said, I still stick by my theory, for a very important reason. It makes sence that Al Qaida would work with people who sympathize with, but are not necessarily part of their organziation. This allows them to try out various different types of terrorists acts, while allowing them to save their more fervent members for acts that will be successful. In this case they showed a glaring whole somewhere in the security safety net that is supposed to be in place, in all likelihood knowing that the fella they paid to participate in the act would likily botch the job, while still giving credit to this particular cell of the Al Qaida network.

                      Farfetched? Perhaps, but until we have all the facts, everything that is stated here on this board will be pure conjecture.

                      And as an aside, I don't want to see this President or any US President say denounce the Koran or the Muslim faith, as there are far more people who are peaceful and don't hate the US, than there are that do.

                      Demoness,

                      You started out by sounding like someone who was above all the nonsense and able to state facts that most of us would not have been aware of. However, today you seem to have jumped right off into the deep end of holier than thou lunacy. While that is your choice, it is still rather odd, none the less.

                      My response to you had to do with something I heard on the news, that stated that their is in fact some sort of secondary security in place that is supposed to check people that are changing from one flight to another. That is what I am pointing to, and is the reason why I believe Amsterdam and/or those in charge on Northwest/Delta Airlines, dropped the ball. Now, whether or not I am right, I will place money that there will be some sort of secondary security in place now, as we know that America is a target.

                      And Hawaii2! How interesting that you didn't exactly comment on what I said to you, but instead decided to rail off in another direction; but no matter. You misspoke regarding civil trials, as if the current Administration was planning to conduct such trials, and I simply endeavored to help you out; because, although I know you may not see it, I do care about you, and want to see to it that you don't post as if you are posting without knowing what in the bloody hell you are talking about.

                      No, no, don't thank me. Thank you, for giving me the opportunity to have your back!

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.147 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:54 PM EST
                      XDemonessXDeleted
                      ArmyVetOfc

                      I believe that these lone wolf attackers can only be tracked and stopped by the US Military Joint Special Operations Group working with the FBI and CIA, but the conseravtives are so paranoid about this posse comitatus nonsense that all of the training of the JSOG group is useless domestically. I say drop posse comitatus for JSOG at least, we have basically dropped it for the Air Force. Then we can stop these clowns effectively.

                        #1.149 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:21 PM EST
                        XDemonessXDeleted
                        minilaunger-1530576Deleted
                        kacky

                        he's with Al Qaida like the shoe bomber was with Al Qaida.

                        • 1 vote
                        #1.152 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:40 PM EST
                        XDemonessXDeleted
                        Get The Point

                        heroic conduct on the part of those passengers!

                        • 3 votes
                        #1.154 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:00 PM EST
                        USARogue

                        Stand up, speak out

                        I guess you prefer this type of response.

                        No. But a RESPONSE of SOME KIND would be nice!

                        I imagine the poll numbers arent in yet to see how our coward POTUS should respond to this TERRORIST attack on our soil. The second in less than two months I'll remind you. I guess the spin doctors are trying to find SOME way to make sure our illustrious leader doesn't look anymore weak and vulnerable than he already is. This is a gross misjustice to be silent as MILLIONS of Americans and other countries citizens are being put through the torment of another TERRORIST attack on our soil.

                        I'm sure the gaggle of speech writers were waiting to see if any real damaging information doesn't come out against our limp-wristed president before they write his script to read from his teleprompter against the blue skies of Hawaii.

                        And then,,,,OOPS,,,this comes out,,,,

                        U.S. government officials said Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab came to the attention of U.S. intelligence in November when his father went to the U.S. embassy in Abuja, Nigeria, to express his concerns about his son.

                        Now I'm not a HAVAAAAD graduate but correct me if I'm wrong, the November they mention is this year RIGHT???? 2009????? And Obama IS still the president RIGHT???? So this happened under HIS watch RIGHT???? Or will you left wing LIEBERALS try to somehow AGAIN add this to the "last eight years" that only you can comprehend of our nations history? This is OBAMA"S f**k up now. He is responsible, he must be accountable!

                        IT'S TIME FOR THIS PRESIDENT TO TAKE OFF HIS MOM JEANS AND SLAP A PAIR OF OLD DIRTY WORK JEANS ON, BE A MAN AND FINALLY TAKE THE BLAME AND STAND UP FOR AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        BUT YOU KNOW WHAT???????

                        I BET YOU HE DOESN'T!

                        I bet you he WON'T even get those sissy little lips of his to say the word TERRORIST!!!!!! Because he has NO CLUE what he's doing. He has NO effective policy against TERRORISM. He has no resolve to stand up for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! I'm sure he'll find SOME WAY to blame this on some distant past transgression that America caused. And he'll apologize to the world for us being such a bad country with so many bad people and vow to give everybody some more money. But how can we blame him with his vast experience in the past being a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER.

                        MAYBE OUR CORRUPT CONGRESS CAN JUST BRIBE SOMEONE TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF OUR LIMP NOODLE OF A PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!

                        • 2 votes
                        #1.155 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:40 PM EST
                        bsbfankaren

                        It is not a problem, Demoness. Keep the faith!

                          #1.156 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:16 AM EST
                          Losing Freedom

                          Not necessarily a nutcase. These extremists are very serious about their hatred for America

                          you call lighting up firecrackers on trans-atlantic flight serious? I mean come on? We're wasting trillions of dollars a year fighting this?

                            #1.157 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:30 AM EST
                            ecto

                            So Obama was tipped off and did nothing! You Bush haters suck on that one. your own totally stupid logic used against your can do no wrong president. I guess he is not the almighty after all. "only human" Uber Pwned. now go home and cry on your mommy's lap.

                            • 1 vote
                            #1.158 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:56 AM EST
                            Get The Point

                            i'm struck by the fact that this attack was met with effective resistance on the part of average people! was it just good luck or can the bad guys not take advantage of our complacency like they once did??????

                            you people are so foking negative... lol. every seen that pink floyd album cover with the guy bursting into flames??? i think some of you regulars in here might actually explode!!! lol. seriously - posting on christmas!!! wow. i mean i can understand why several of you might not have families but still pretty foking sad... good luck with that.

                            • 1 vote
                            #1.159 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:35 AM EST
                            Amy-1530975

                            I thought this was an old pic of Tiger Woods! Dang!

                              #1.160 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:21 AM EST
                              * The Dead Head *

                              I was Denied Disability for some real serious conditions.............The SSA board said I was still able to obtain part time employment....

                              Now I know where...........HOMELAND SECURITY.............they hire the deaf, blind, and mute...............

                              Homeland security couldn't catch a cold................................

                              • 3 votes
                              #1.161 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:36 AM EST
                              BILOXIPAT

                              "Aides to President Barack Obama are pondering how terror watch-lists are used after the botched attack..." It is always AFTER the terror attack happens, isn't it, that we implement additional security measures? And it wasn't firecrackers. It was an explosive device which failed its intended purpose....thank God.

                              • 1 vote
                              #1.162 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:42 AM EST
                              ROY WILSON-336103

                              "But a congressional official said the suspect did pop up in U.S. intelligence reports about four weeks ago as having a connection to both al-Qaida and Yemen."

                              So why wasn't he put on the "no-fly" list????????????????

                              • 2 votes
                              #1.163 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:01 AM EST
                              BILOXIPAT

                              "Wow--that list of terrorist activities shows that Clinton and bush dropped the ball. For Bush to have let 9-11 happen after all those prior acts is absolutely unforgiveble. He wad worse than Clinton. Because he knew all those attacks happened and did not take warnings about 9/11 seriously enough." >>>> President Bush would never have had 9/11 happen on his watch if Clinton had captured or killed Osama when he was looking down the barrel at him. Instead he chose to let the world's worst terrorist go. Both Osama's and Clinton's names should go down in infamy.

                              • 1 vote
                              #1.164 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:04 AM EST
                              domsmom

                              It was an attempted terrorist attack. An idiot? Yes! But not just someone with firecrackers. Wake up America!

                              • 1 vote
                              #1.165 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:36 AM EST
                              LMarcT

                              ROY WILSON-336103

                              I agree, your question (1.162) IS the question to be answered. It stated that there wasn't the "specific" info needed to put him on the no-fly list... what does THAT mean? BTW, do I hear 145? LOL

                              dewintre200,

                              I guess we'll just put you and your "justice-minded" groupies like Rogue, Hawaii, Prag, and company in charge of airport security... that way you can use you racist/religious/nationalistic profiling to become judge and executioner and step all over everyone's civil liberties.

                              This thread stayed active as the story developed. You would think you and your "pals" might me a little embarrassed about your earlier uninformed "we know it all" pin-headed statements... but probably not.

                              This was not Obama's fault or mis-handling... nor was it a breakdown at the airport (it was taped to his body and would not have been detected)...

                              Instead it looks like it was a flaw in the rules that walk the fine line between security and civil liberties. Should have at least triggered an increased search flag, if not being added to the no-fly list.

                              And oldcavscout, you wrote:

                              Until I hear the majority of the 'peaceful' muslims in this country denounce what is going on with their hijacked religion, they deserve every insult that hits the books

                              Big speak. Big hipocritical speak. Just substitute "Republicans" or "the right" or "Conservatives" or even "Christians" and then read your statement for what it is.

                              • 3 votes
                              #1.166 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:38 AM EST
                              oldcavscoutDeleted
                              Michelle K

                              This was not firecrackers. It was an explosive device. Sounded like firecrackers as the plan went awry.

                              • 1 vote
                              #1.168 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:57 AM EST
                              BigArch-493423

                              Some of you folks need to put on your glasses or open your brains. The fool didn't set off firecrackers, he tried to blow up the airplane.

                              Now we need to look at somethings. This muslims father told the US that his son was a danger due to his religion which is muslim. One would think that in light of 9-11-01 our government would take this and run but NO. We do not even revoke his visa. We let him board a plane to fly into our once great country and he tries to kill many Americans. Do we have anybody in Washington that gives a damn about the citizens of this nation or are they so determined not to upset the muslims of the world that we will have to pay dearly once again. How many Americans will have to die until the US government does the #1 job the constitution gives it which is to protect the nation from foreign invaders.

                              I think we will have to elect a president who #1 is an American and #2 loves America and #3 does not give a damn if she/he pisses off the muslims of the world. And last but not least, investigate and remove muslim fanatists in the US military.

                              • 1 vote
                              #1.169 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:08 AM EST
                              Ronald Hussein Reagan

                              J Lynch writes, "Take him to a brick wall aim a shotgun with 00 buck shot and publically shot him." It would have been better if you suggested hanging as it would be more in keeping with your name.

                                #1.170 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:35 AM EST
                                Fred G. from N.C.

                                Back to the original post eh.newsvine? Good job limiting discussion on the nutsack bomber!! This "good guy" or "good chap" as his high school friend called him just tried to kill hundreds of people. Somehow I don't include mass murderers in my definition of good guys!!

                                • 1 vote
                                #1.171 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:42 AM EST
                                Ronald Hussein Reagan

                                Pragmatic to a fault writes, " Because they WANT to let him off the hook." I'd say that indicates paranoia rather than pragmatism.

                                There is no basis in reality for blaming President Obama for the fact that this guy was on the plane unless you think that the Federal government should do everything for you. It is a particularly American delusion that the world can be made perfectly safe, that a law suit can remedy any injustice, that you can kill all the germs in your bathroom, that you can get your shirts perfectly clean etc., etc. Like President Obama says from time to time - I live in the world as it is.

                                • 1 vote
                                #1.172 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:54 AM EST
                                dman-353357

                                It looks like these posts were made prior to hearing that it was not firecrackers, but a terrorist attempting to blow up the plane. First Ft Hood, now this. Nobody got this far when Bush was in office.

                                Golly, Nancy. I guess in your world, the World Trade Center still dominates the New York Skyline. I don't blame George W. Bush for 9/11/2001, but it certainly happened "when Bush was in office" and was a good deal further than this Nigerian national got.

                                Neither do I blame Obama for this inicident, which started outside this country, or for the tragedy at Fort Hood. People forget that Major Nidal Malik Hasan was recruited and promoted during the Bush years and that numerous people in the U.S. military ignored the flashing warning lights in the career of this wretch.

                                No President can provide total safety from these type of attacks.

                                • 1 vote
                                #1.173 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:55 AM EST
                                BILOXIPAT

                                Latest headline: "

                                Jetliner attack suspect is ‘very honest person’...‘Good guy’ charged in botched bombing played basketball at elite school"
                                If you can call a guy who straps an explosive to his leg and sets it on fire on an airplane crammed with innocent people, an "honest, good guy."

                                • 1 vote
                                #1.174 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:59 AM EST
                                USARogue

                                LMarcT

                                that way you can use you racist/religious/nationalistic profiling to become judge and executioner and step all over everyone's civil liberties.

                                You lieberals are hilarious. None of us "justice minded" Americans want to step on anyones civil liberties any more than we want American citizens having to step over other passengers to subdue a TERRORIST on an airplane approaching Detroit trying to BLOW IT UP!!!! You hand-holding, limp wristed, tree huggers in this world who want everything and everyone in this world to just "love" each other need to GROW UP! The ridiculous and growing unsafe political correctness that you so espouse is NOT going to work with these TERRORISTS. These people need to be profiled, and investigated more and more, NOT less and less in the hopes they will see our compassion for them.

                                TERRORISTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR LIEBERAL FEELINGS, THEY WILL KILL YOU TOO!!!

                                Your touchy-feely PC jibberish is as good a weapon against these Terrorists as a pea-shooter against a tank. These TERRORISTS don't care if you're conservative, lieberal or any other politic. They don't care if your Catholic, Jewish, Baptist or any nuisance religion. All they care about is you are NOT of their belief. PERIOD. Do you actually think that if you were sitting next to "Umar" on that plane and you told him you were sympathetic to his cause he still wouldn't try to blow you and the rest of those people out of the sky? If you do, you're as uneducated as is your political correctness and ANTI-PROFILING thought process.

                                THIS TERRORIST SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED ON ANY PLANE GOING ANYWHERE!!!

                                As far as this NOT being Obama's fault,,,,BULLS**T!!!! He IS the president isn't he? As he has said the BUCK STOPS HERE, at his feet!!! But his obvious pro Islamic mentallity is causing more and more dithering in our nations security. How much MORE ovious could this TERRORISTS actions be? He's on the TIDE list, his OWN father notifies our Embassy, he gets a seat right over the fuel-filled wings of the plane, he buys his ticket with cash, he doesn't bring any luggage with him and he buys a ONE-WAY ticket!!!!!! DUHHHHHH!!! Just as the unfortunate dithering of our system resulted in the Ft. Hood massacre this is another breakdown in OUR nations security. Our nations security rests in the hands of OBAMA whether he wants it or NOT!!!!

                                THIS TERRORIST NEEDS TO BE TRIED, FOUND GUILTY AND EXECUTED, END OF STORY!!!!

                                But as is the case in our politically correct, civil liberties encrusted society this TERRORIST will have a trial lasting years, with appeals and then we will support him for decades in our jail. In the meantime another Umar, or Osama, or Ahmed will be on the next plane out of Nigeria, Somalia or some other corner of the world with some explosive strapped to his body sitting next to you.

                                THIS IS WHAT I AND OTHER "JUSTICE MINDED" GROUPIES FEAR, YOUR AND OUR SAFETY!!!

                                WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO STEP ON A FEW OF OUR CIVIL RIGHTS THAN TO POSSIBLY BE STEPPING OVER 277 GRAVES?

                                • 3 votes
                                #1.175 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:01 AM EST
                                Ronald Hussein Reagan

                                USARogue writes, "civil liberties encrusted society." Dude - that's what makes the USA the USA - if it's too free for you here why don't you go someplace more repressive? Better still, calm down and enjoy the fact that the country has a wise person leading it.

                                  #1.176 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:05 AM EST
                                  oldcavscoutDeleted
                                  Kshark

                                  Guess those 3D body imaging scanners are looking mighty useful now.

                                  If anyone says they are an invasion of privacy, fine, I will say DO NOT FLY!

                                  Death or privacy, death or privacy my what a toss up.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #1.178 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:09 AM EST
                                  oldcavscoutDeleted
                                  Stop-The-Statists

                                  The journalistic malpractice continues at MSNBC / NBC !!!!

                                  The latest headlines on this story:

                                  "Jetliner attack suspect is 'very honest person' "

                                  "'Good guy' charged in botched bombing played basketball at elite school"

                                  How about you run a story on the fact the this freak terrorist's father did the right thing and alerted a US embassy months ago and alerted them that his son was a threat.

                                  Heaven forbid we run a story that may shed any light on the Obama administration and their gross ineptness on nearly everything they do.

                                  The signs were there all along with this dirt bag and Major Hasan and Janet Napolitano and company are worried and focused on returning veterans (our national heroes) and people with Anti-Obama bumper stickers on their cars. How pathetic.

                                  They took their eye off the ball. The whole bunch in power needs to be ejected from DC as soon as reasonably possible. They are nothing more than political hacks with no significant experience in their respective positions.

                                  Well, for those keeping count, this is TERRORIST ATTACK #2 on Obama's watch. Even after the world-wide, 'America Sucks Tour'by the Apologizer-In-Chief.

                                  Who could have predicted that radical extremists still want to kill Americans?

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #1.180 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:17 AM EST
                                  USARogue

                                  Ronald Hussein Reagan

                                  Better still, calm down and enjoy the fact that the country has a wise person leading it.

                                  Just WHERE is his leadership? Where is his statement to the American people and the world that America will investigate and correct this obvious lapse in our security system? Where is his statement to all the Americans travelling around the world for the Holidays who are obviously scared and concerned that the person sitting next to them isn't going to blow him or herself up in the name of Allah? Where is his strong and unfaultering statement that we will not submit to the TERRORIST influence because we are Americans and value our freedom, rights and liberty?

                                  OR IS IT THAT YOUR WISE LEADER JUST CAN'T CALL HIS FAVORITE PEOPLE,,, TERRORISTS?

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #1.181 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:24 AM EST
                                  Ronald Hussein Reagan

                                  USARogue - President Obama would be flattered that his words mean so much to you. Try to keep things in perspective - this is one guy - the passengers on the plane took care of him. Don't depend on the Federal government for everything, OKAY?

                                  BTW Who are President Obama's favorite people, anyway? You lost me there.

                                    #1.182 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:34 AM EST
                                    Retired Military-861015

                                    His Pal said he was a honest man. I say take him out back and blow his honest brains out. If you guys don't have the guts to do it, call me, I DO.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #1.183 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:41 AM EST
                                    USARogue

                                    Ronald Hussein Reagan

                                    You obviously don't understand. The LACK of his words is what CONCERNS me and the rest of America. Is it because he's on vacation he feels his responsibility as president is on hold? You and I know if Bush were to NOT make a statement, now over 3 days after a TERRORIST attack was attempted on American soil, the media would be drowning him in criticism. I understand that the fact that this issue doesn't require our limp POTUS to spend HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS he is out of his realm of expertise.

                                    Don't depend on the Federal government for everything, OKAY?

                                    I don't. You Lieberals are the ones wanting more and more government in your lives. The fact that the passengers took care of this is very heroic and symbolic but what if the people around this TERRORIST were unable to subdue him and his bomb did go off? The point is it should never have gotten to this point. It should have been stopped long before this TERRORIST ever got close to an aiplane. Our government, which is being lead by Obama dropped the ball. He IS and continues to be responsible.

                                    WE NEED LESS GOVERNMENT DOING MORE, NOT MORE GOVERNMENT DOING LESS!!!!

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #1.184 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:51 AM EST
                                    Sick1531067

                                    Ok now I hear on the news that he is claiming he can't afford a lawyer so what are we going to give him a lawyer and treat this guy like an American citizen? Those laws should be only for American citizens, if we started chopping off heads of captured terrorists that attempt to KILL AMERICANS I think we'd see less of this stuff COME ON AMERICA, stop being whimps, yes, I'm all for law and justice but how dare someone try to ruin the DAY that we CELEBRATE THE BIRTH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST - he's father is a former banker let him pay for his lawyer and shame on ANY AMERICAN LAWYER that would take this case against AMERICANS - they should be disbarred...when did lawyers take an oath to uphold justice for people who are trying to kill AMERICANS...

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #1.185 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:51 AM EST
                                    spoonbill-1498064Deleted
                                    Michael Boyd-1429246

                                    Politicians should have to fly commercial (economy). Commercial flights go to the same places as private government flights. There's no difference between the US and the former Soviet Union, which made certain that the politburo lived a cut above the rest (Commie membership became the Czar) with fancier cars, planes, homes.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #1.187 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:14 AM EST
                                    BRENDA-1531076

                                    i am so sick and tired of these nasty ass muslims,,,they should be srtipped right down to there bare asses before they flop those stinkin asses on our american planes,,,,i can;t stand any of them they are a bunch of prehistoric dirt bags\yucky,and frankly we are a bunch of retards for putting up with there crap

                                      #1.188 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:15 AM EST
                                      Michael Boyd-1429246

                                      What's the BFD with being honest. There a Commandment that covers lying, is there not?

                                      Or, has honesty become a rarity instead of people imitating the Jew, Influential Catholic, Episcopalian or Black? Is it cheaper to lie?

                                      (I can say what I want - artistic privilege - it a result of not being paid)

                                        #1.189 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:21 AM EST
                                        dman-353357

                                        THIS TERRORIST NEEDS TO BE TRIED, FOUND GUILTY AND EXECUTED, END OF STORY!!!!

                                        A simple solution from a simple mind.

                                        BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                          #1.190 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:23 AM EST
                                          MikeSuicide

                                          Our government and its security is a big fat joke. We Americans are given the illusion of safety. Our troops get over run in Afgaanistan in a supposed fortified base with men in dresses and flip flops. Our planes get penetrated by this buffoon after his OWN father ratted him out. Our leaders are arrogant and too pompus to believe it could happen to them, thats why this happens

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #1.191 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:28 AM EST
                                          ROY WILSON-336103

                                          I guess "It's Bush's fault" is starting to evolve into "It's Obama's fault".

                                          It's amazing how little time it has taken.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #1.192 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:31 AM EST
                                          ROY WILSON-336103

                                          Here's the latest from Rasmussen Polling, the most accurate pollster in last year's elections;

                                          "Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-six percent (56%) now disapprove of the President’s performance."

                                          Sounds like the "shooting star" is burning out amazingly fast.

                                          At this point in Bush's first year in office, his approval rating was about 85%.

                                          As for the members of Congress, the trend is the same;

                                          "The new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 44% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 36% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent."

                                          At last year's elections, the Democrats held a 7% advantage, so 15% of the voters have turned against the Democrats and their radical agenda in the last 12 months.

                                          The 2010 mid-term elections should be interesting, since EVERY member of the House is up for re-election.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #1.193 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:46 AM EST
                                          Brianb-999431

                                          You're correct about Bush's rating Roy. It didn't last very long when the liberal democrats started to bash him as soon as they started to realize that Bush might actually be popular. I think his rating started to fall on the Saturday after 911 when Kennedy came out against Bush. All the democrats started kicking him after that.

                                          Just like all good little liberals, they follow the leader very well. Without thought or regard to the security of this nation, they demonized Bush and polorized this nation.

                                          Obama supporters wonder why we scrutinize and come out against his policies. They take it personal because their emotional minds can't separate fact from ficton.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #1.194 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:12 PM EST
                                          XDemonessXDeleted
                                          LMarcT

                                          oldcavscout,

                                          You are correct. My posts are different now. Let me state my position, if you will.

                                          I have failed. I have given in. I have compromised by beliefs and are becoming more similar to "them" than before. I used to believe that just about everyone could listen to reason and at least acknowledge a little honesty and validity in what others think and say and move toward a more civil and logical compromise of positions. But "they" have won... for I, along with many of the masses on "my side", have become absolutely appalled at "their" behavior... just as "they" have become absolutely polarized in their thinking, so have I. Just as "they" threw out their principles using "the end justifies the means" axiom, so, now, have I. But are we better off? Haven't we, instead, just lost the voice of reason from both sides? Isn't reconciliation impossible from here?

                                          By the way, "they" = "terrorists".

                                          But seriously, you are correct. The level at which I "play" now has changed. Not many people used to listen to the "old level"... a few did... but not many... look at the polls.

                                          ROY WILSON-336103,

                                          The Rasmussen poll is the only negative poll and is dramatically skewed... the "average", with a skewed Rasmussen included in the mix, is 49.5 FOR Obama and 45.1 against... here's the link:

                                          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

                                          But since you brought up the "Bush" card and want a fair comparison...

                                          Bush started with a Surplus, then handed Obama a severe and nearly irreversible Deficit.

                                          Bush started with a stellar economy, then handed Obama arguably the worst since the great depression.

                                          Bush started with NO wars, then handed Obama two unfinished and unfunded wars.

                                          Bush after 9/11, had the whole world behind him and us, the squandered it and left a world that hates us in his wake.

                                          Bush didn't do a damn thing for health care, social security, medicare (except what he left unfunded... Medicaid)... he left it all for Obama.

                                          Bush had a cooperating Democrat minority... Obama has to work with a GOP full of hate and desperation and intent on his outright failure.

                                          But otherwise I guess its an equal footing and equal opportunities for success, right?

                                          BTW, YOU opened the door on this one.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #1.196 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:28 PM EST
                                          otm

                                          Why is everyone overlooking the obvious? Ban all lighters and matches. If you can't light it, you can't ignite it.

                                            #1.197 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:31 PM EST
                                            HRDawg

                                            The worst part about these incidents of course, is the reaction of "security". Suddenly, the TSA lines are moving extra slow again, and ridiculous rules are being enforced on International flights.

                                            If you're on an International flight, you can no longer leave your seat up to one hour before landing. That's because, this "good guy" terrorist spent 20-minutes in the john preparing his firecracker.

                                            They have that "list" of high-risk passengers. It's now time to have a list of "cleared" passengers, so we can go back to acting like Americans traveling in our own country, instead of being treated like we're at some train-station in WWII Germany being guarded by the SS Troops.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #1.198 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:33 PM EST
                                            Brianb-999431

                                            LMarc - Every one of your Bushisms are straight out of the liberal hand book. The very first one is so wrong - Bush wasn't handed a surplus by Clinton. If you believe that, how come the nation was in debt at that time. If the nation had no debt and Clinton handed Bush an economy with surplus, then the liberal talking point would have validity.

                                            Another point you bring up is Bush handed Obama a bad economy. When did the economy start going south? In 06 right after the democrats took control over the spending arm of the government. 2 democrats were responsible for the worst housing crisis in this nations history. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

                                            I can continue down your bash list with counter arguments but what's the point? Your mind is made up, slammed shut and you will never listen to reason. Your stance hasn't changed one iota, so stop telling lies.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #1.199 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:40 PM EST
                                            Ernie-859983

                                            poster child for RETARDS Worldwide, What a dumbass

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #1.200 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:42 PM EST
                                            LMarcT

                                            Brianb,

                                            You are correct that I am pretty well already convinced... until something changes my mind. The following links discuss both the budget surplus Bush started with and the deficit responsibilities since that point. The last link is most current.

                                            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/white-house-watch/bushs-red-ink-obamas-problem.html

                                            http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html

                                            http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036

                                            I've seen the right's talking points that claim Frank and Dodd "overwhelmed" the Republicans and "made" them approve ridiculous lending practices. Your talking point has a few problem in that 1) The loans currently being foreclosed on were made just as much during the 6 year GOP reign as during the Dem Congress control period... 2) if this was so obvious, why didn't the GOP do something about it?, 3) and don't give me this BS about the GOP trying to correct it but the Dems "wouldn't let them"... what a crock. 4) And it was on Bush's "watch", which is how you folks are gauging Obama today... you say "forget Bush... its on Obama's "watch" now"... you can't have it both ways. We can go into this issue in detail, but, again, neither side will win.

                                            I WOULD like to see how you would counter my other points... if you have the time.

                                            BTW, Happy New Year. Seriously... we need to get out of this "loop" we're in and kill all this false drama in 2010... any chance? I'd rather discuss solutions instead of blame.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #1.201 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:13 PM EST
                                            Get The Point

                                            LMarcT -

                                            the radical right (and left) wing we see displayed in these forums will NEVER listen to reason. they do not think; they react and rationalize almost always based on magical thinking in the end. depraved zombies and fanatics controlled by fear and hate... lol.

                                            i am sorry to say (really), if you do anything in here that involves their consideration you're making a mistake.

                                            sadly, politics is about power not truth. gook luck to you.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #1.202 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:48 PM EST
                                            dman-353357

                                            The very first one is so wrong - Bush wasn't handed a surplus by Clinton. If you believe that, how come the nation was in debt at that time.

                                            brianb - I'm guessing that accounting is not your forte. When people way Clinton handed over a bugetary surplus, they mean that as of January 2001, our government was collecting more money than it was spending. It doesn't mean the collective debt of the last 30-odd years disappears in an instant. Or to put in terms easier to understand, if an unemployed person gets a job with a salary sufficient to pay his current expenses, he has balanced his personal budget. It doesn't mean the $5,000 in credit card fees he accumulated while unemployed has suddenly dissappeared.

                                            You can play a lot with semantics and numbers regarding the state of the Union in January 2001, vs. January 2009. The budget may or may not have been perfectly balanced in January 2001; our nation's debt load was still increasing. But there can be no doubt that as a nation we were in better shape 8 years ago then at the start of the Obama presidency. In fact, I think I'd be hard pressed to name a President who served since WWII who had more negative issues to deal with upon assuming office than did Obama. These all did become Obama's responsibility, but this is not the same as saying each one is exclusively his fault.

                                              #1.203 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:08 PM EST
                                              J.A-522495

                                              I get very tired of hearing that things were great under Clinton. The fact is that the last three Clinton years were not great for business. Business was hurting and many farmers were going out of business....look it up....The only two things that were going were the stock market and high tech. Both of those were false markets and those bubbles burst in time. As soon as the market and high tech imploded, things were quite ugly.....I guess it is easy to remember the good ol times that were not really there...

                                                #1.204 - Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:19 AM EST
                                                dman-353357

                                                You're correct about Bush's rating Roy. It didn't last very long when the liberal democrats started to bash him as soon as they started to realize that Bush might actually be popular.

                                                You've got to be kidding me.

                                                  #1.205 - Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:34 AM EST
                                                  dman-353357

                                                  I get very tired of hearing that things were great under Clinton.

                                                  You are right, J.A-522495. Perhaps the Clinton years only look good in comparison to what came after them.

                                                    #1.206 - Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:35 AM EST
                                                    Ronald Hussein Reagan

                                                    Why would somebody bring up polling numbers in an article about jerk who tried to blow up a plane? And especially such silly ones. Hell, I thought Bush gave a great speech right after 9/11. It's when he got it in his head to invade Iraq that he lost me

                                                      #1.207 - Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:36 AM EST
                                                      tyler

                                                      muslims had nothing to do with 911, only people that still think that are dumb or a goverment mole, witch are you?

                                                      Sigh. jerry-319480, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor. Read it:

                                                      Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #1.208 - Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:10 PM EST
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                                                      KD0858

                                                      Sounds like someone thought it was the fourth of July and not Christmas!

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:10 PM EST
                                                      ToldYouSo-

                                                      It's a new world now. Security in this country is no more. Crazy people get near the president and vice president in a room full of dinner knifes, Military bases in the country have no security against terrorists anymore and we are being shot at there, and now our private citizens have to protect our airplanes from terrorists.

                                                      The last presidential order he was heard giving was, "can you put some lotion on my back dear, this sun is grueling".

                                                      • 19 votes
                                                      #2.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:24 PM EST
                                                      charles turner

                                                      maobama has opened up the U.S for terrorist business.

                                                      • 21 votes
                                                      #2.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:29 PM EST
                                                      Ted 050247

                                                      nut

                                                      • 6 votes
                                                      #2.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:37 PM EST
                                                      "There They Go Again"

                                                      Yes Ted, he is a nut too but Charles was trying to be kind.

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #2.4 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:55 PM EST
                                                      HazCats

                                                      No it's not mao-bamas fault for a change this goes back to Carter and NAFTA making it easier to get anything or one into the U.S.

                                                      Of course his Homeland Security Designee did'nt really need to put out water, milr and cookies along to border, or hand out maps or border patrol schedules.

                                                      What a Country!

                                                      • 8 votes
                                                      #2.5 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:08 PM EST
                                                      Stand up, speak out

                                                      And the winner of the d-bag award for this thread is...............................

                                                      Charles Turner

                                                      • 10 votes
                                                      #2.6 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:13 PM EST
                                                      XDemonessXDeleted
                                                      bsbfankaren

                                                      Hey Told You So. Are you talking about the sun in Texas that Bush enjoyed on countless vacations, and that can be very brutal, or the sun in Hawaii? Oh, I know. It is only a bad thing to enjoy a holiday in the state of one's birth, but not in one's adopted home state...right?

                                                      So then, you have no issue with Obama enjoying the sun with his family in the US state in which he was born.

                                                      • 13 votes
                                                      #2.8 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:46 PM EST
                                                      Jerry D Williamson

                                                      XDemonessX

                                                      "kinda is funny, how convienient some forget, who was the president, at 911, but I guess he was a right winger, so for sure that wasn't his fault at all."

                                                      Your hero Clinton failed his job or Osama would not be alive, as a matter of record he failed 3 times after being told by Ollie North and Clinton admitted his failure at a new York convention saying the biggest mistake of his Presidency was not taking Osama out.

                                                      I belong to no party affiliation as they are all corrupt, so I guess that just makes me a mad American.

                                                      • 6 votes
                                                      #2.9 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:52 PM EST
                                                      XDemonessXDeleted
                                                      Stand up, speak out

                                                      bsbfankaren

                                                      Hey Told You So. Are you talking about the sun in Texas that Bush enjoyed on countless vacations, and that can be very brutal, or the sun in Hawaii? Oh, I know. It is only a bad thing to enjoy a holiday in the state of one's birth, but not in one's adopted home state...right?

                                                      So then, you have no issue with Obama enjoying the sun with his family in the US state in which he was born.

                                                      Obama goes abroad to meet with with other nations delegates-no good

                                                      Obama goes to his home state for a holiday-no good

                                                      Obama stays in DC and works-no good

                                                      bsbfankaren is right and you Obama-haters should get a grip before this makes you psyco.

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #2.11 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:24 AM EST
                                                      TJM07

                                                      Here's the deal, about 17% of the nation is out of work and the president said, he would not rest until the job situation was corrected. His words, not mine, spoken less then 5 weeks ago. It made a great sound bite, but it turned out that he clearly didn't mean it when he spoke it and looked sincerely into the television camera. He's on vacation resting. Most of us are getting tired of being lied to especially by someone who has risen to the Peter Principle.

                                                      Joe Wilson wasn't wrong, now who owes who an apology.

                                                      • 8 votes
                                                      #2.12 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:53 AM EST
                                                      Andy-534371

                                                      about the jobs...

                                                      The nation may not be back on its feet for years. It may not even be until two full presendtial terms that we see vast improvement...

                                                      This is an extremely longterm problem. I wish people would stop expecting Obama to snap his fingers and make it all better...

                                                      • 6 votes
                                                      #2.13 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:10 AM EST
                                                      TJM07

                                                      /andy, his words not mine, he set the expectation, no one else. If you have a problem, its got to be with him, no one else. Either he says what he means or he doesn't and stay the hell out of my living room if you don't mean what you say.

                                                      • 5 votes
                                                      #2.14 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:37 AM EST
                                                      Ronald Hussein Reagan

                                                      Roy Wilson (144 IQ) writes, "The "shoe bomber" attempt was not over American soil - it was shortly after leaving Europe. "

                                                      There are two possible explanations for his post.
                                                      The first:
                                                      Because the shoe bomber (during Bush's term) wasn't able to control his impulse to try to blow up the plane until he reached territorial US that means Obama is not as tough on terror as Bush because the second would be terrorist was able to control his impulses.
                                                      The second explanation is that Roy Wilson took the IQ test twice and added the scores together.

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #2.15 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:27 AM EST
                                                      drbacon

                                                      Are you sure it was only twice?

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #2.16 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:48 AM EST
                                                      tim-580939

                                                      "It's a new world now. Security in this country is no more. Crazy people get near the president and vice president in a room full of dinner knifes, Military bases in the country have no security against terrorists anymore and we are being shot at there, and now our private citizens have to protect our airplanes from terrorists."

                                                      Toldyouso, there are photographs surfacing now that show that couple at an earlier date with obama, his wife and some other people. That whole thing was a setup for publicity for thier reality show. If not, why aren't they in jail, why aren't they being detained for any reason. You don't just walk into the whitehouse with all that security and not get into some kinda @!$%#!! Try it sometime, you won't even get close to the gate, little alone inside. Whole thing is bull@!$%#!!!!!!!!!

                                                        #2.17 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:53 AM EST
                                                        fenderbluesjr

                                                        The name of the "Shoe Bomber idiot" was Richard Reid. And he's serving a life sentence for that act of terrorism. He (Reid) probably needs a cell mate and with any luck he'll get Mr. Mutallab. Hey, maybe they can blow each other up! Let's take a minute here to be thankful that this bombing was thwarted. And to thank God that there are still heroes in our midst. Ordinary people who react as if trained, without hesitation put themselves at risk to protect others. To those unselfish people we are both grateful and proud. This should be a wake up call to our President to never forget that we are on the fringe of disaster.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #2.18 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:51 PM EST
                                                        becky-1004830

                                                        Agreed! I thought the whole sneaking into the white house deal was set up too.

                                                          #2.19 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:03 PM EST
                                                          Ronald Hussein Reagan

                                                          This jerk poses less threat to the posters on this boards than a bolt of lightning out of a clear blue sky. If you want fear to be the guiding force in your life then lock yourself in a bunker with the ex- vice-president.

                                                          In case anyone has forgotten - life hangs by a thread for us all - all the time - that's just the way it is on this planet. Give thanks for the days that you have.

                                                            #2.20 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:45 PM EST
                                                            NEVER FORGET

                                                            Hazcats-- NAFTA was during the Clinton admin. Everybody else 'It "sounded" like firecrackers" READ!

                                                              #2.21 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:54 PM EST
                                                              Stand up, speak out

                                                              bsbfankaren

                                                              Hey Told You So. Are you talking about the sun in Texas that Bush enjoyed on countless vacations, and that can be very brutal, or the sun in Hawaii? Oh, I know. It is only a bad thing to enjoy a holiday in the state of one's birth, but not in one's adopted home state...right?

                                                              So then, you have no issue with Obama enjoying the sun with his family in the US state in which he was born.

                                                              BSB, they prefer this type of response.

                                                              http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday

                                                                #2.22 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:28 PM EST
                                                                ArmyVetOfc

                                                                You know it’s hilarious listening to the right wing nutcases talking against Muslim extremism, YET, they want the USA to become the Taliban when it comes to crime and punishment. This case requires LIFE in prison without the possibility or parole OR if it had killed anyone it deserves the death penalty, nothing more, nothing less. Will you conservatives STOP trying to turn the United States into the United Taliban Empire. We are a nation of laws, not the barbarians that you conservatives want the US to be.

                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                #2.23 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:50 PM EST
                                                                bsbfankaren

                                                                You are right, Speak up. Unfortunately, people on the right wing of things have a very, very short memory. Fortunately for them, we are all here to remind them...and remind them...and remind them!

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                #2.24 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:58 PM EST
                                                                david-475776

                                                                charles turner - maobama has opened up the U.S for terrorist business.

                                                                Agree, see justifications (examples) below

                                                                Ted 050247 - nut

                                                                HazCats - No it's not mao-bamas fault for a change this goes back to Carter and NAFTA making it easier to get anything or one into the U.S.

                                                                Stand up, speak out - And the winner of the d-bag award for this thread is...............................Charles Turner

                                                                Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers (all of you better hope they do not do this).
                                                                http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningnews/main5347847.shtml

                                                                Research the coorelation between the Mexican Drug Lords (sideline business of human smuggling, including terrorists). Al Quada, Hamas, etc..

                                                                This is what shrub (Bush) number 2. was doing:

                                                                Terrorist Safe Havens: Strategies, Tactics, Tools for Disrupting or Eliminating Safe Havens
                                                                http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104103.htm

                                                                This is what the current Secretary of State is doing.

                                                                The $900 million US gift to Hamas
                                                                http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/03/the_900_million_us_gift_to_ham.html

                                                                2009. This is what opened up the US Borders:

                                                                April 2009. US President makes new US Policy during meeting with Mexican President. US Military will not be used to secure US Borders. CDC directed not to call it the "Mexican Flu" (historically viruses named after outbreak location, in this case Mexico City) as this is not the single virus "Swine Flu" (misnomer) this "Mexican Flu" is a combination of Human Flu, Swine Flu and Avian Flu while the meeting is going on. The First Rule of Epidemiology, Quarantine (with Air Travel monitoring, thermography) will not be used, with Quarantine enabling more time to research, test, and produce sufficient vaccines. With the US President stating that "financial matters are more important than potential US Citizens being infected".

                                                                August 2009. US President meeting with Mexican President and Canadian Prime Minister. Restated again US Military will not be used to secure US Borders. And again The First Rule of Epidemiology, Quarantine (with Air Travel monitoring, thermography) will not be used, with Quarantine enabling more time to research, test, and produce sufficient vaccines. With the US President stating that "financial matters are more important than potential US Citizens being infected".

                                                                And:

                                                                And immigration remained a sore spot. While Obama has said he'd like to start crafting an overhaul that legalizes millions of Mexican immigrants, there's little chance of Congress acting this year, since even top administration priorities like health care and climate policy are moving slowly amid heated partisan debate.

                                                                The numbers of Illegal Aliens detected by certain US Government Agencies using facial recognition software during the 2006 Illegal (no permits) protests Nationwide against stricter 2006 Illegal Alien Laws based on California Proposition 187, is 23 Million. This does not include the 1000s of "anchor babies" born each day. With the US Supreme Court indicating that the 14th Amendment pertains to Slaves involuntarily brought to the US; not "anchor babies" nor Illegal Aliens who are committing crimes against the Citizens of the US and the US Government, specifically Conspiracy to Commit Fraud and Fraud. This explanation (decision) was demanded by both the Illegal Aliens "Harbor States" and those States enforcing the Laws against Illegal Aliens. When this became the decision of the US Supreme Court the "Harbor States" became silent about asking for this decision from the US Supreme Court and even keeping this out of the US News. For those that read and write Espanol, there are Mexican websites that are encouraging pregnant women to come to the US, it has not been proven nor disproven yet if these sites are Mexican Government sponsored (funded), this was also how the Illegal Protests Nationwide of 2006 by Illegal Aliens was also organized.

                                                                Regarding the Mexican handling of their own Illegal Alien problem on the southern Mexican Border with Guatemala, this is handled by the Mexican Army with standing orders to shoot to kill. See US State Department Travel Advisory as to why:http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1129.html

                                                                With the proposal in Congress (Speaker of the House) that all returning from "the Wars" are possible "Homegrown Domestic Terrorists". Guilty until proven innocent.

                                                                Instead what needs to be done is that all the US Military returning from "the Wars" need to be placed under US NORTHCOM and secure the US Borders, as not to add to the US Unemployment. This is already Legal under the February 2009 revised Insurrection Act (US Military Operation within the US).

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #2.25 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:26 PM EST
                                                                Jim in Auburn

                                                                It is not true that transit passengers do not get screened. I always get screened when transiting through Seoul and Tokyo.

                                                                  #2.26 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:49 AM EST
                                                                  Stand up, speak out

                                                                  david 475776

                                                                  Terrorist Safe Havens: Strategies, Tactics, Tools for Disrupting or Eliminating Safe Havens
                                                                  http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104103.htm

                                                                  Yes, action and results? Not much that I could glean from this document.

                                                                  http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/03/the_900_million_us_gift_to_ham.html

                                                                  The $900 million was not a gift to Hamas. American Thinker provides nothing more than right-wing propoganda. For further information regarding aid to the Palestinians please see this article.

                                                                  http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB393.pdf

                                                                  Regarding illegal aliens why is it so wrong that the Obama administration is not willing to use the US military to police illegal immigration when it hasn't been tasked with this mission to date. And it's hardly like the Obama administration opened the flood gates. This has been going on for a long time and the Bush administration turned a blind eye to it as it's a good source of cheap labor for their friends in Big Business. The border is not the place to curb illegal immigration. The action should be taken with the employers who put these people to work.

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  #2.27 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:41 AM EST
                                                                  david-475776

                                                                  Stand up, speak out, unfortunely, the articles, are just that articles. We are on the receiving end of the Hamas Warlords getting the 900 Million USDs US Aid. As we are catching them here at Afghanistan taking their Iranian supplied weapons of Chinese manufacturer away, photographing them, finger printing them, DNA sampling (leading directly back to Palestinian Families). And since Gitmo, etc. were closed we do the "catch and release" as we do not have the assets to guard nor escort them to a detention facility. In those cases that we feel necessary we turn them over to the local village Islamic Counsel, who after a few minutes, slow strangle them to death (manditory for us to watch as a consequence). As they (local Islamic Afghans) have no real love for the Hamas Foreign Fighters nor the Chechen Foreign Fighters who are still committing attrocities like cutting off body parts; inspite of the Taliban and Al Quada telling them not to (as this is turning the local populace (support) against them).

                                                                  Terrorist Safe Havens: Strategies, Tactics, Tools for Disrupting or Eliminating Safe Havens
                                                                  http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104103.htm

                                                                  Yes, action and results? Not much that I could glean from this document.

                                                                  I am "talking around" what I am not supposed to disclose.

                                                                  It is not my intention to disclose "Classified Information".

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  #2.28 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:06 AM EST
                                                                  david-475776

                                                                  Stand up, speak out - Regarding illegal aliens why is it so wrong that the Obama administration is not willing to use the US military to police illegal immigration when it hasn't been tasked with this mission to date.

                                                                  Restructuring of US NORTHCOM and current US NORTHCOM OPLANs (revised). And by Law February 2009 revised Insurrection Act (US Military Operations within the US).

                                                                  The border is not the place to curb illegal immigration.

                                                                  It is the only place to start and with the US NORTHCOM "Contingency Plan" to sweep from Northeast to Southwest as a "Counter Insurgency" Operation, using Counter Insurgency Warfare Units (experienced) from Iraq and Afghanistan.

                                                                  As due to Mexican Drug Lord bribery US Laws/US Law Enforcement have failed to:

                                                                  The action should be taken with the employers who put these people to work.

                                                                  With once again the US Military having to clean up the Politicians mess irregardless of Political Party. And RESULTS, not baloney Discussing (Politics) being important (including the "blame game" (bunch of Politicians pointing fingers at each other and not doing anything about the problem(s)).

                                                                  And known, the Mexican Drug Lords assisting the Terrorists with their "sideline businesses" of human trafficking, document forgery, etc.. With the next anticipated Mexican Drug Lord assisted Terrorist smuggling of a WMD into the US.

                                                                  And it's hardly like the Obama administration opened the flood gates.

                                                                  That is laughable. As to why the Texas Rangers were sent to take care of the problem immediately after the President's meeting with the Mexican President. With the Mexican Drug Lords, etc. realizing a "business opportunity" with no legal repercussions. Those are just Historical Facts. So no not "the flood gates" the entire Panama Canal. By the way how do you think you can train Counter Insurgency Warfare Special Operations with minimal risk (low intensity) before sending them into increasing intensity warfare (operations)(almost overstepped my boundaries).

                                                                  It is not my intention to disclose "Classified Information".

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  #2.29 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:08 AM EST
                                                                  Stand up, speak out

                                                                  And since Gitmo, etc. were closed

                                                                  Gosh, I missed that too.

                                                                    #2.30 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:14 PM EST
                                                                    Reply
                                                                    dougjmiller

                                                                    I guess the hijacker didn't want to return to Michigan. Given the economy it's certainly understandable. But it's still a lot better here than the next 25 years he'll be spending at Leavenworth.

                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                    Reply#3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:15 PM EST
                                                                    BRUCE STRATTON

                                                                    Is there no upper limit to the idiocy spectrum?! I figure he/she is now reviewing all the possible scenarios with BUBBA that will occur in prison. Not a way to have a Merry Xmas.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #3.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:54 PM EST
                                                                    ToldYouSo-

                                                                    At least there will be 3 hots and a cot for a few years, which is better than 40 million Americans have right now under this administration.

                                                                    • 12 votes
                                                                    #3.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:49 PM EST
                                                                    jerry-319480

                                                                    na Black Bush still tortures remember.

                                                                      #3.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:56 PM EST
                                                                      LouisRaritan

                                                                      Firecrackers peeps. Is a symbol of independence in the North American country of USA. WTF was this guy trying to say?

                                                                        #3.4 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:17 AM EST
                                                                        Ronald Hussein Reagan

                                                                        StandUp Speak Out - THough he has faced grueling competition I believe Charles Turner is building a dynasty (of dbag awards.)

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #3.5 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:45 AM EST
                                                                        Hawaii2

                                                                        New security at airports: We'll all be sitting on the departing airline, for 20 minutes before flight it takes off. Late boarders may miss their flight. Boy, are all of us being punished. Who wants to fly anymore?

                                                                        What else can they think of; body cavity x-ray searches for everyone.

                                                                        Watch the mechanics checking out the airliner before leaving. They are suspects, also.

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #3.6 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:13 PM EST
                                                                        Carrie Leigh

                                                                        Toothpaste and hair oil are the real enemies. Just ask my 79 year old dad who is a vet from all over. He was abused at the airport.

                                                                          #3.7 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:01 PM EST
                                                                          bsbfankaren

                                                                          Without mentioning you by name as I know that bothers you, I don't care about being on an airline for 20 minutes, or actually missing a flight if I am "a late comer", so that I and other's on the aircraft are safer.

                                                                          And a form of "body cavity xray" is already available, that makes ya look naked to whomever the security screener is that is viewing the image. Unfortunately, most people complained about this type of screening, because it sets us up for the average airport screener to save and post such images online! Therefore, the question has to become, how safe do we want to be? We can never be 100% safe, as the terrorists will always come up with new ways to get explosives on board, but is 50-50 enough, or do we want more?

                                                                            #3.8 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:10 PM EST
                                                                            Jim in Auburn

                                                                            Attempting to bring down a plane should not be a 25 year sentence. It should be the death penalty. Why give them a lighter sentence just because they were unsuccessful.

                                                                              #3.9 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:51 AM EST
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                                                                              Mr. Dunn

                                                                              Just goes to show that airport security is a joke.

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                                                                              Reply#4 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:16 PM EST
                                                                              Neil-798344

                                                                              Airport security is a government union jobs program.

                                                                              It has nothing to to with keeping people safe (or alive).

                                                                              It's about safeguarding the jobs of the incompetents.

                                                                              • 17 votes
                                                                              #4.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:28 PM EST
                                                                              Devil's Son

                                                                              Neil the article CLEARLY stated the plane arrived from Amsterdam! So the US government union TSA employees had nothing to do with this. I would not call others incompetents until you learn to read and comprehend. Actually the Dutch screeners where probably high as pot is legal there.

                                                                              • 12 votes
                                                                              #4.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:20 PM EST
                                                                              110pct

                                                                              Learning and comprehending is something outside the realm of what some people are willing to do...and anyway, baseless hysterical conclusions are so much more fun!!!

                                                                              • 4 votes
                                                                              #4.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:18 PM EST
                                                                              delherren

                                                                              110:

                                                                              I LOOOOOOVE baseless hysterical conclusions!!!! Can you or someone else educate me as to who created the TSA? I'm sure I must not know it's entire history. Who would let all those UNION workers loose in our government? I thought Reagan took care of that problem a couple of decades ago. Did the TSA just unionize in the past few months? Hmmmm.

                                                                              • 3 votes
                                                                              #4.4 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:13 PM EST
                                                                              Stand up, speak out

                                                                              Neil, wake up.

                                                                                #4.5 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:16 PM EST
                                                                                MikeFla

                                                                                neil...come on..."government union jobs program"? 1st: i suppose we were better off with the $8.50/hour casual labor employees utilized before 9/11, and 2nd: you may have missed where this flight originated in amsterdam.

                                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                                #4.6 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:25 PM EST
                                                                                bsbfankaren

                                                                                Mike, it seems a bunch of folks on this board missed the fact that the filight originated in The Netherlands, in their zeal to blame anyone and everyone in the Federal Government.

                                                                                Kinda funny, actually!

                                                                                • 5 votes
                                                                                #4.7 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:48 PM EST
                                                                                DAN VASS

                                                                                blame it on bush!

                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                #4.8 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST
                                                                                bsbfankaren

                                                                                No! Blame it on the terrorists, and use this as a way to tighten up security internationally.

                                                                                • 5 votes
                                                                                #4.9 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:56 PM EST
                                                                                delherren

                                                                                Andy:

                                                                                My only conclusion: Buffalo Bill is a troll!

                                                                                Is that what this "thread" is all about? I can get on board with this topic! Does that mean Annie Oakley is a troll, too? I'm interested because if they were trolls, did they ride really, really small horses? Were their rifles miniature? So many things to think about today. And here I thought everything on Newsvine is full of the same arguments and screamers from the same people on every thread. Finally, something new. Thanks!

                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                #4.10 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:44 AM EST
                                                                                Andy-534371

                                                                                Delherren...

                                                                                You DO know what an internet troll is? Right?

                                                                                Buffalo Bill's comments were clearly a reply that was made to incite anger, and provoke people into responding hotly, to derail the topic from something meaningful into bile and hate speech.

                                                                                That is why Buffalo Bob (sorry, Bill is a force of habit from living in Buffalo) had his comment collapsed by the community.

                                                                                Again, I ask; you do know what a troll is, right?

                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                #4.11 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:52 AM EST
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                                                                                terry gould-1329824

                                                                                They do walk among us and once in a while they show themselves...Morons

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                                                                                Reply#5 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:18 PM EST
                                                                                Joe Biff

                                                                                Maybe the lightee is a Taliban suicide bomber wannabe. Give him a little credit, after all, it is Christmas.

                                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                                #5.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:08 PM EST
                                                                                becky-1004830

                                                                                Yes, they are here... and passing their hatred for the USA to their children. Look at what happened at Ft. Hood.... that POS was born here, but his parents imigrated. That hatred of us is still passed down. Do not think these people are your friends or that they even care about their lives just because they are over here.

                                                                                I would have beaten the snot out of this clown on the plane, and like someone else commented earlier, I hope he blew his nuts off in this attempt.

                                                                                  #5.2 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:10 PM EST
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                                                                                  Tremo

                                                                                  Lighting firecrackers on an airplane? WTF?

                                                                                  1. - Throw his ass in jail for about 10 years, let him be the bitch of some monster.

                                                                                  2. - WTF is up with security in Amsterdam?

                                                                                  • 9 votes
                                                                                  Reply#6 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:19 PM EST
                                                                                  Imagine-Goodness

                                                                                  Amsterdam is a pot rot city. They have to breathe pot rot air pollution each and every day.

                                                                                  Pot rots don't get high, they get low to the same level as child molesters - too self-centered to be responsible in reality.

                                                                                  Drug-Free is FREE and more FREEDOM. Vote NO on pot rot! More problem people? NO!

                                                                                    #6.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:54 PM EST
                                                                                    Ixor Kleb

                                                                                    imagine-goodness,

                                                                                    Perhaps you should consider breaking the Prozacs in half....

                                                                                    • 9 votes
                                                                                    #6.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:13 PM EST
                                                                                    Imagine-Goodness

                                                                                    Ixor Kleb, you don't like the idea that Amsterdam would make less money if everyone enjoyed the miracle of their lives drug-free and perversion-free and had the courage to live to honor Almighty God each and every day to grow stronger and wiser?

                                                                                    How about also a world free from sex slavery and other anti-Christian organized atheist (pseudo believers are effectively atheists) criminals that Amsterdam people love so much?

                                                                                    The love of money and Ixor Klebs and other problem people are the root....

                                                                                      #6.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:28 PM EST
                                                                                      cll1950

                                                                                      The flight originated in Niger not Amsterdam.

                                                                                      Could one of you pass me the Ding Dongs and turn on some cartoons?

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #6.4 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:23 AM EST
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                                                                                      asknreceive1-1054310

                                                                                      GREAT! No doubt this idiot was loaded, and I mean with ALCOHOL! This incident will, no doubt, necessitate a wave of new and improve changes to airport security: Removal of all clothes, body cavity searches, no carry on luggage, and NO BOOZE SERVED ON THE FLIGHT! WTH??? They've already taken away the party hats!!!!!

                                                                                      Way to go, MORON!!! If this jerk is an American citizen, HE SHOULD DO SOME TIME!!!!

                                                                                      • 3 votes
                                                                                      Reply#7 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:23 PM EST
                                                                                      "There They Go Again"

                                                                                      I kind of wonder how he managed to get fireworks on an airplane. Security in Amsterdam is supposed to be pretty tight.

                                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                                      #7.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:27 PM EST
                                                                                      Bob in Sanra Monica

                                                                                      Why would it be hard to get firecrackers on a plane? What could you do with them, other than give the other passengers an invitation to open up a can on your ass?

                                                                                      • 3 votes
                                                                                      #7.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:45 PM EST
                                                                                      ecto

                                                                                      why is everyone talking about bringing fireworks on the plane? It "sounded" like a firecracker in a pillowcase. read the story before commenting please! it involved at the least a powdery substance with a injected liquid. last time i bought fireworks none were anything like that.

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #7.3 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:58 PM EST
                                                                                      delherren

                                                                                      Real quick--Four years ago I flew from Kansas City to Sacramento for my niece's graduation from high school. The day before my trip, I cleaned out my car and after throwing junk in the trash, I put the stuff that needed to go into our house inside my purse. I forgot I had put a knife of my husband's into my purse. I flew to California, and when I got to my sister's house I cleaned out my purse. There I found the knife on the bottom of my purse. I went through security without a hitch. This scares me because I understood that the hijackers used knives to take over the planes on 9/11. This was 4 YEARS AGO. Who was asleep at the switch? Very unsettling at a time when we were hearing about terrorists plotting to attack us again.

                                                                                      I got a knife onto an America airline. Scares me that Homeland Security doesn't give better training.

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #7.4 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:02 AM EST
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                                                                                      Jeannie-889702Deleted
                                                                                      EpperExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                                                      Sheeple, Oh Oh watch this hand. Oh the club in the other hand don't worry about it. I won't use it on your "civil rights". Wake up, Sheeple, and see that you country is being stolen from you. Oh, wait you have an easy life. Kinda. Give it ten years Rip Van Winkle's.

                                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                                      Reply#9 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:29 PM EST
                                                                                      BRUCE STRATTON

                                                                                      WTF, a-hole?!

                                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                                      #9.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:56 PM EST
                                                                                      Devil's Son

                                                                                      Epper-- the right to do what? Bring down a plane? Induce a panic? Test the security for a later attack? If you feel the security at the airport violates your rights, don't fly! Because those who do don't want you on the plane. Get your dictionary and look up the word SOCIETY. Now go back down you parent's basement and take your paranoia meds.

                                                                                      • 6 votes
                                                                                      #9.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:41 PM EST
                                                                                      Ted 050247

                                                                                      EP-better yet-put down the beer and get back in your trailer. Goofball

                                                                                      • 8 votes
                                                                                      #9.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                                                                                      Epper

                                                                                      Devils Son, do you like your "civil rights" as provided by the Constitution? I bet not from your comment and name calling. I refrain from being a jerk and dising you because I am trying to have an intelligent discussion with adults.

                                                                                      Are you willing to give up your home to spot searches by the government? I'm not.

                                                                                      And my basement is one that I own. My parents have been deceased for years. And no, I didn't inherent my home from them. I bought it by my self. and Ted no it's not a trailer. Buck up and be real MEN not PATSIES for whatever you read. Do some research before you make comments.

                                                                                        #9.4 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:35 PM EST
                                                                                        Devil's Son

                                                                                        My home has been searched ZERO times! How many times has yours? I bet ZERO times also. So what are you afraid of? I won't worry about what is not happening. Those who do are paranoid. How do I research something that is not happening? You conspiracy and anti-government folks live in a alternative reality. One minute the government is a total police state with jack booted thugs oppressing every individual and the next minute they are a bunch of bumbling fools incapable of doing anything right. Which is it? Is the US government stopping antiwar protesters? NO. Are US citizens under arrest for PEACEFUL protest? NO. Has the US government stopped anyone from traveling freely in this country or others? No, Some extra security measures have been instituted. Big deal I have gone through them and found them a minor inconvenience. We have seen the damage and carnage that can be done with box-cutters. Has the government stopped you or me from the right to bear arms? No, last Tuesday I went to Cabbella's and went gun shopping. Granted I could not buy a M-60 but why do you think you need one? Has the government stopped anyone from attending their church, synagogue, or even mosque? NO. REAL MEN don't go through life in paranoid delusions. You people are fond of quoting Patrick Henry's "give me liberty or give me death" BS but conveniently forget or leave out the FACT he was a SLAVE OWNING DESPOT! The constitution that you rap yourself up in stated clearly that Blacks where 3/5 of a person with no rights and was used to deny the rights of American native people and women. Tim McVie felt just like you do about the government. I am more afraid of you that OUR government!

                                                                                          #9.5 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:06 PM EST
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                                                                                          Coot19

                                                                                          What the heck was this idiot thinking? Lock his ass up for a few years. Geez!

                                                                                          • 2 votes
                                                                                          Reply#10 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:29 PM EST
                                                                                          ToldYouSo-

                                                                                          agreed Reid has to pay for his crimes.

                                                                                          • 3 votes
                                                                                          #10.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:58 PM EST
                                                                                          gary-309869

                                                                                          Coot19 -- He was thinking he would murder some kafirs ( non-Muslims) and please Allah.

                                                                                          • 5 votes
                                                                                          #10.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:14 PM EST
                                                                                          bsbfankaren

                                                                                          Or perhaps the real terroists, payed this guy to test out a new method of getting a bomb into the US knowing he would likely screw up and run his mouth like a child. The Yemini Al Khaida group has now gained international attention, and will feel they have gained the upper hand, as they did when they used a small boat to bomb one of our Naval vessel's a few years ago!

                                                                                            #10.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:54 PM EST
                                                                                            becky-1004830

                                                                                            What? Lock his a$$ up? Are you kidding me??? He attempted to murder others, even though it was a screwed up job. Bring him to Texas to the express lane for his injections. Heck I can give them to him. Won't hurt my feelings.

                                                                                              #10.4 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:15 PM EST
                                                                                              The Light of Creation

                                                                                              Lock him up for a few years? No (Crazy) Coot19, show him our beautiful desert, then shoot him in the head. Repeat with additional offenders as necessary.

                                                                                                #10.5 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:25 PM EST
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                                                                                                Anthony Kipen

                                                                                                Jail time for the nut. Maybe he will enjoy next Christmas. Make this his last idea of a joke.

                                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                                Reply#11 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:30 PM EST
                                                                                                HazCats

                                                                                                Don't forget Pelosi, too

                                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                                #11.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:11 PM EST
                                                                                                Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                What in heck does Nancy Pelosi have to do with flights leaving Amsterdam?

                                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                                #11.2 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:57 AM EST
                                                                                                RAJ-470603

                                                                                                Make this nut eat his own @!$%# and then blow his brains out to meet his Allah.

                                                                                                  #11.3 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:12 PM EST
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                                                                                                  James Wolfer

                                                                                                  Throw his ass in jail!! What the hell is wrong with people today!! Appears that we have no shortage of complete morons in this country. Great upbringing by his parents!!

                                                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                                                  Reply#12 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:32 PM EST
                                                                                                  Astro TurfDeleted
                                                                                                  bsbfankaren

                                                                                                  And please pay no attention to the other passengers that will also be sucked out of "the hatch at 20,000FT" if some fool where to open it!

                                                                                                  Please. Think before you post!

                                                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                                                  #12.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:50 PM EST
                                                                                                  David-g

                                                                                                  bsbfankaren when did Astro Turf say to use the same aircraft? You need to take your own advice!

                                                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                                                  #12.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:28 PM EST
                                                                                                  bsbfankaren

                                                                                                  David...seriously?

                                                                                                  O.K. I am duly chastened, lol!

                                                                                                    #12.4 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:15 PM EST
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                                                                                                    hedward

                                                                                                    May have been a terrorist with commitment issues. Fire crackers rather than a bomb. I hear the same guy also had a plot to fly paper airplanes into the Sears Tower.

                                                                                                    • 5 votes
                                                                                                    Reply#13 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:33 PM EST
                                                                                                    Jim-627839

                                                                                                    I am once again amazed by the heights of ignorance some people attain. Can you imagine what he was thinking just before he lit the firecracker? " I wonder what will happen if I"...........Boom! Crack! Pop! I can see the guy in the next seat; eyes closed, peacefully napping.

                                                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                                                    Reply#14 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:36 PM EST
                                                                                                    Epper

                                                                                                    Do you Sheeple want this type of governmemt because this is what you are crying for

                                                                                                    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34591689/ns/world_news-asiapacific/

                                                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                                                    Reply#15 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:36 PM EST
                                                                                                    Disalussioned In America

                                                                                                    I don't see the connection. Someone calls for change in Government in China and gets 11 years. How does it relate to an idiot lighting off firecrackers on a plane? Do you really think anyone takes you seriously because you call them "sheeple"? You're a deuce bag. Hope you're on the next plane where someone does something stupid.

                                                                                                    • 4 votes
                                                                                                    #15.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:35 PM EST
                                                                                                    MikeFla

                                                                                                    "sheeple"....some people think they're in the jingle business

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                                                                                                    #15.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:27 PM EST
                                                                                                    BZe1

                                                                                                    Disalussioned, #15, er...ahm.... why are insulting douch bags. LOL

                                                                                                    A bag used for douching have value to the person who need to be douched, doesn't it?LOL People are still using douch bags even today. Perhaps a better discription would be a word like ....enema nozzle? (Not sure if the 'magic monitor' will not ban me for a week for that little suggestion. LOL)

                                                                                                    P.s. perhaps Epper does not realize that in some societies sheep may be more valuable than people. After all whereas sheep provide things like wool and meat etc people are sometimes, most times useless, and not particularly edible even in a pinch. LOL

                                                                                                    By the by, Mr Firestarter Wannabe must have been bonkers. He is lucky he left the plane alive. He probably did not realize that Christmas travel here can be stressful, and trying to keep people from visiting with folks that they may not even want to see/stay with in the first place, especially at Christmas, can cause folks to hypervent their frustrations and joys on the offending party's person. LOL

                                                                                                    Seems like Mr Firestarter Wannabe/terrorista may have received a welcome to the USA with a bit of a licking and a touch of a kicking by his fellow passengers, and just to cap off his terror misadventures he is now/will be getting the usual (loving) rediculing on message boards that many family members across the USA reserve for each other at the dinner table, at this time of year. LOL

                                                                                                    Happy Hols one and all.........leave you firecrackers unlit in the hall,...... if you want to continue breathing....... next snow fall....... especially if you are coming Stateside...LOL

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                                                                                                    #15.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:22 PM EST
                                                                                                    Imagine-Goodness

                                                                                                    I've been labeled a douche nozzle by peace and love Wiccans. At least the bags and nozzles are recyclable. (How thoughtful in this time of the historical Great Oba.)

                                                                                                      #15.4 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:44 PM EST
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                                                                                                      Jim-869618

                                                                                                      And the Dutch word for @!$%# is---?

                                                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                                                      Reply#16 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:36 PM EST
                                                                                                      Jethorp

                                                                                                      This looks like this was a very successful test run. It proved that it possible to get explosives on board an transatlantic flight and the ability to detonate them. Today firecrackers, tomorrow......

                                                                                                      • 8 votes
                                                                                                      Reply#17 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:37 PM EST
                                                                                                      Astro TurfDeleted
                                                                                                      Joan-1209741

                                                                                                      jethorp- your remarks are low in placement on newsvine-looks as though, however you are really the only thinker here!

                                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                                      #17.2 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:54 AM EST
                                                                                                      Pure Capitalism

                                                                                                      I agree with Jethorp though. He is absolutely correct. This news story is now all over the world for terrorists to read and see that you can get powder and liquid on a plane separately. Hell, next time it will be two guys. One with the powder and one with the liquid. They will go to the bathroom and mix them and then blow the @!$%# up. What is wrong with you people that cannot see this as a test run?? You are @!$%#ing BLIND!

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                                                                                                      #17.3 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:10 PM EST
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                                                                                                      MAINE BUSHPILOT

                                                                                                      Must be George Bush's fault .....

                                                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                                                      Reply#18 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:41 PM EST
                                                                                                      HazCats

                                                                                                      Plenty of blame to around thats for sure... Clear back to 48 when they divided up Palistine to create Isreal with out asking the locals if that was cool..

                                                                                                      These people remember not like Americans, who can't seem to remember to the next electcion cycle..

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                                                                                                      #18.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:15 PM EST
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                                                                                                      Astro TurfDeleted
                                                                                                      The Beev

                                                                                                      did it say how old this complete idiot was? Sounds like something a 10 or under kid would do. I hope this person is banned for life from flying commercial.

                                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                                      Reply#20 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:46 PM EST
                                                                                                      gary-309869

                                                                                                      Banned for life from flying? What are you talking about? He was trying to murder in cold blood the innocent passengers on the plane. If your loved ones were on the plane and he succeeded would you say he needs to be banned from flying for life for such a juvenile act. Ridiculous. How about 20 years in prison?

                                                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                                                      #20.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:18 PM EST
                                                                                                      WCE

                                                                                                      hehe ; hey u 2

                                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                                      #20.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:01 PM EST
                                                                                                      screminmimi

                                                                                                      Gary doesn't seem to understand that the reports of this incident are confusing. One report said it was firecrackers, but the other report said it was a terrorist attack.

                                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                                      #20.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:41 PM EST
                                                                                                      Joan-1209741

                                                                                                      was already on a watch list- did you not read that?

                                                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                                                      #20.4 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:55 AM EST
                                                                                                      Waterdog49

                                                                                                      Joan, Gary: You're being too rational for this bunch. There seems to be an excess of egg nog behind many of these posts, especially the early ones that still believed this was an innocent prank. Be especially cautious of the Jesse Ventura gang who still believe that 911 was a US government operation. They're probably working for the Minnesota branch of Al Qaida. Got to catch a plane now. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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                                                                                                      #20.5 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:41 AM EST
                                                                                                      Pure Capitalism

                                                                                                      gary-309869

                                                                                                      Banned for life from flying? Ridiculous. How about 20 years in prison?

                                                                                                      Better yet, why pay for his incarceration for 20 years? A bullet to the head would be way less expensive.

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                                                                                                      #20.6 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:13 PM EST
                                                                                                      gary-309869

                                                                                                      Pure --I have no problem with that. To bad he wasn't killed on the plane by those he attempted to murder in cold blood.

                                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                                      #20.7 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:02 PM EST
                                                                                                      toni-445883

                                                                                                      he should have been killed on the plane but then you would have your moronic liberal radicals who would come out of the woodwork because he wasn't treated humanely..... and obama is in bed with terrorists... his best friend, bill ayers is a domestic terrorist.... same thing... but that's ok.... liberals don't take that seriously.... they pick and choose what they take seriously and not seriously.... intelligence is NOT a strong suit for liberals..... never was.

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                                                                                                      #20.8 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:50 AM EST
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                                                                                                      VegasRepub

                                                                                                      WOW gotta admit I am really surprised by this. I have flown out of Schipol and you damn near get stripped searched prior to boarding the flight. As a retired military bomb tech just goes to show you anything can be done. It is just up to the perps creativity and knowledge.

                                                                                                      As fo those yelling about Airport Security is just a Govt. union jobs program please keep in mind that the security was provided by the Dutch for this flight as it was landing from Amsterdam. Reading truly is a fundamental skill. What would you have us do go back to the pre 911 days... That worked real well didn't it. As noted by my previous paragraph as a retired tech I can tell you nothing is perfect or 100% when it comes to stopping threats of a multitude of different types but the system we have now is sure a whole hell of a lot better than before.

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                                                                                                      Reply#21 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:53 PM EST
                                                                                                      Chris Y

                                                                                                      VegasRepub: I, too, have flown through Schipol, and the security there was like none I've ever seen. We even had to take our cameras out and shoot pictures of the ceiling to make sure they weren't bombs. They hand searched our luggage, which we then had to try and repack, and hand patted us down in enclosed rooms. A cavity search was about the only thing that didn't happen. But, I guess, anything is possible if you want to get creative with what you're smuggling on board.

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                                                                                                      #21.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:43 PM EST
                                                                                                      XDemonessXDeleted
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                                                                                                      tom343Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                                                                      Some here lack a sense of proportion. What he (assume he) did was a prank! Forget the 'coulds, shoulds, woulds' for a while. What did he do to deserve anything more than a hefty fine? Embarrass some incompetent Feds? Scare some rabbit travelers? Get a life.

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                                                                                                      Reply#22 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:53 PM EST
                                                                                                      NH Tom-896720

                                                                                                      Gee, Tom are you serious? Lighting an explosive device on an airplane, hmmmm yeah give him a fine. A fine long time in a federal prison.

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                                                                                                      #22.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:02 PM EST
                                                                                                      NH Tom-896720

                                                                                                      9/11

                                                                                                      Hey they're only box cutters what harm can they do? Of course they can board the plane.

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                                                                                                      #22.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:04 PM EST
                                                                                                      tom343

                                                                                                      Explosive device? Not in this story; at least what it says he lit in here, interpreted by common sense, is no explosive device! Fire crackers! The HS folks would call a .22 cartridge a bomb because it suits their bureaucratic aims. Just like cops here in NJ call a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun a dangerous weapon.

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                                                                                                      #22.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:41 PM EST
                                                                                                      Disalussioned In America

                                                                                                      I think it was a funny prank. Funnier still would be if they hacked his hands off for it. That would be a riot.

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                                                                                                      #22.4 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:40 PM EST
                                                                                                      dave-735909

                                                                                                      Gee Tom, what did he do? He panicked an entire transatlantic flight of innocent passengers into "subduing" him. He cost us taxpayers a minimum of hundreds of thousand dollars. He committed a crime and he deserves to pay for it. According to the article "He wanted to set off a bomb over America." I think that says enough.

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                                                                                                      #22.5 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                                                                                                      gary-309869

                                                                                                      tom -- Let's only hope you are on the next flight when men of the potential bombers ilk decide to try again. If they succeed, we will see that the perpetrator is fined, OK? We'll even see that it is "hefty", as you suggest, in your memory.

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                                                                                                      #22.6 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:25 PM EST
                                                                                                      Michele-659633Deleted
                                                                                                      Waterdog49

                                                                                                      Tom: Be careful, You'll shoot your eye out.

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                                                                                                      #22.8 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:28 AM EST
                                                                                                      becky-1004830

                                                                                                      The intent was to blow up the plane, no matter how stupid it turned out. I think thats attempted murder. Plus the fact of his background, his nationality, hmmmmm, I must be profiling... darn.

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                                                                                                      #22.9 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:23 PM EST
                                                                                                      The Light of Creation

                                                                                                      Tom343, go back to sniffing your glue.

                                                                                                        #22.10 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:31 PM EST
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                                                                                                        shil

                                                                                                        .......doesn't place Amsterdam's security measures in favorable light, does it?

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                                                                                                        Reply#23 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:55 PM EST
                                                                                                        THE PAST IS GONE

                                                                                                        what about security

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                                                                                                        Reply#24 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:01 PM EST
                                                                                                        110pct

                                                                                                        What about it?

                                                                                                        Do you actually think we catch EVERYTHING?

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                                                                                                        #24.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:25 PM EST
                                                                                                        MM-584706

                                                                                                        Do they catch Anything ?

                                                                                                          #24.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:10 PM EST
                                                                                                          becky-1004830

                                                                                                          yeah, they caught me.....I had some of those big security jokes take my epi-pen from me. (I have allergies). I had a huge plot to stick someone. DUH

                                                                                                          By the way, I'm a 60 yr old white gramma.

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                                                                                                          #24.3 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:26 PM EST
                                                                                                          JWLTude

                                                                                                          Now tell the truth Becky- You like going to Ron White comedy concerts too, don't you!

                                                                                                          He rules, I bet he could come up with a MORE than appropriate form of punishment for this putz. Like using him as a ground rod for a broadcast antenna in the flatlands.

                                                                                                            #24.4 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:17 PM EST
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                                                                                                            doubting thomas 1

                                                                                                            Hmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                            if this wasn't a Kid, then it was a probably a test run as some of have already pointed out.

                                                                                                            Or it just could be some government trying to frighten us------- ?????

                                                                                                            It does not matter what country or airport that they flew out of if its a test run !!!!!

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                                                                                                            Reply#25 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:04 PM EST
                                                                                                            tom343

                                                                                                            Probably TSA itself grubbing around for some small change........

                                                                                                              #25.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:43 PM EST
                                                                                                              Starseeker

                                                                                                              As far as a test run... that was a success once he boarded the plane with it... there was no purpose in lighting them off as a test thereby tipping off authorities to the scheme. This seems to be the act of a complete Idiot! or someone making a point. well i guess we will find out soon enough once they release details...

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                                                                                                              #25.2 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:46 PM EST
                                                                                                              Starseeker

                                                                                                              The story now has changed from lighting firecrackers to a "powdery substance" ... I suppose in a rush to be first the media is also in a rush to be wrong... hell just print anything ... Maybe there is a story here or it was just some baffoon... when the dust settles im sure they will overblow it for effect.

                                                                                                              Eventually we will reach saturation and have the "boy who cired wolf" scenario because noone will believe the media when the have "breaking news"

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                                                                                                              #25.3 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                                                                                                              skilife

                                                                                                              Well said. MSNBC editors and writers must be college interns or something.

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                                                                                                              #25.4 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:37 PM EST
                                                                                                              b dune

                                                                                                              skilife

                                                                                                              since the story is from "AP" and the exact same story is running on all other networks (including FOX)- what exactly is your point about MSNBC?

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                                                                                                              #25.5 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:37 PM EST
                                                                                                              wlockridge

                                                                                                              I agree Starseeker. It did start out being firecrackers which is probably what it was. The "powdery substance" only came up after the TSA realized how stupid this looks and decided to up the panic level a little, never let a good disaster go to waste and all. I'm sure this will result in several more billion dollars being spent on the newest "firecracker/powdery substance" screening technology courtesy of us of course. I wouldn't get on a frigging plane today if my life literally depended on it.

                                                                                                                #25.6 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:44 PM EST
                                                                                                                Lize

                                                                                                                The dude got on the plane in Amsterdam. When security asked him what he had under his coat, he said "Bomb" but they thought he said "Bong" and they said, "OK, dude. No problem. Just no smokin' it on the plane."

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                                                                                                                #25.7 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:48 PM EST
                                                                                                                sandyshores

                                                                                                                This is clearly the democrats fault for flamming the fire and bringing the terrorists to the USA. Now we will see lots of activity in the USA because of the democrats hopeless sencless stupidity.

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                                                                                                                #25.8 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:15 AM EST
                                                                                                                DAN-260821

                                                                                                                obviously you are a world class blooming idiot for saying such nonsense and obviously believing it too

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                                                                                                                #25.9 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:33 AM EST
                                                                                                                pat772

                                                                                                                Don't worry Dan, I think sandyshores just works for msnbc.com to stir up the controversy, no one can possibly be that stupid. Also, it's interesting to me that they (muslim terrorists...not muslims...but muslim terrorists) do these things on our Christian holidays, but we have to respect their religious holy days (...holidays). I guess we are the better man (or better people).

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                                                                                                                #25.10 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:26 PM EST
                                                                                                                doubtful-342407

                                                                                                                Hey SAndy, , but basically I am a democrat, but tend to vote for anyone I believe, and like everyone elseIt's mostly like going to a yard sale. But fgor the reecordIf you are a republican,(and it seems that way). I hope that other republicans don't think like you do. For the most part, we are where we are because of the many years of the republican PARTY If that is what being a republican is hold your head in shame!

                                                                                                                  #25.11 - Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:17 PM EST
                                                                                                                  Niki-440757

                                                                                                                  The Demos ran the show before bush and had congress during his last 4 years, don't tell me that they were not responsible for Freddie and Fannie. Barney and Dobbs participated in the housing loan industry mess and Maxine was to it blind as 3 mice. So get off the repub crap.

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                                                                                                                  #25.12 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:38 AM EST
                                                                                                                  Roger-772465

                                                                                                                  Nikki

                                                                                                                  Guess you're calender challenged, Democrats took over Congress in 2006. 2008 -2006 = 2 years , not four years. Republicans took over Congress in 1994, so you're wrong again about before Bush.

                                                                                                                  Wanna go for 3 strikes?

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                                                                                                                  #25.13 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:25 AM EST
                                                                                                                  Harry-413088

                                                                                                                  Once again complacency rears its ugly head. Immediately after 9-11 airport security was tight and everyone agreed it needed to be that way. But after about a year, when nothing ese happened, passengers began to moan about how inconvenient it was to have to wait in long lines and have their baggage inspected. Airlines began to moan about the costs of the extra security. Gradually the security measures were relaxed. Even the ditzy shoe bomber who tried to blow up his sneakers became somewhat of a joke. When are we going to learn that when we are dealing with terrorists, we can never let our guard down. These people wait for opportunities like this when we grow complacent and think that we have everything under control and that nothing could possibly happen. HELLO!!!!! THEY ARE BACK!!!!! Was this an isolated incident? Maybe!! But it could also be a warning of something much bigger. The question is now, are we going to take this seriously? Or is it going to be just a flash in the pan reaction and after a few weeks or months things will go back to business as usual? Let us hope that the airlines and the Government have the sense to take it seriously.

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                                                                                                                  #25.14 - Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:26 PM EST
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                                                                                                                  Tristen H

                                                                                                                  I'm Shocked ... I Tell You > Totally SHOCKED ... I have Never Heard of Anything So Completely STUPID & Ridiculous > I Mean What Idiot Came Up With That Bright Idea

                                                                                                                  Detroit Has a Direct Flight From Amsterdam

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                                                                                                                  Reply#26 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:06 PM EST
                                                                                                                  chris weber

                                                                                                                  ill bet bet security will never be the same,,,,

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                                                                                                                  Reply#27 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:18 PM EST
                                                                                                                  "There They Go Again"

                                                                                                                  Sounds like it never was.

                                                                                                                    #27.1 - Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:05 PM EST
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