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Unnoticed clues haunt Fort Hood

Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:39 AM EST
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— Nidal Hasan was causing a ruckus in his one-bedroom apartment during the early hours of Nov. 5, banging against the thin walls long after midnight, packing boxes and shredding papers until he woke up the tenants next door.

Maybe that was a clue.

He picked up the phone at 2:37 a.m. and dialed a neighbor. Nobody answered. Hasan called again three hours later, this time leaving a message. "Nice knowing you, friend," he said. "I'm moving on from here."

Maybe that was a clue, too.

He left Apartment 9 early that morning and stopped next door to see a woman named Patricia Villa, whom he had known for less than a month. He gave her a bag of frozen vegetables, some broccoli, a clothing steamer and an air mattress, explaining that he was about to be deployed to a war zone. Then Hasan visited another neighbor, a devout Christian, who looked at him quizzically when he handed her a copy of the Koran and recommended passages for her to read. "In my religion," Hasan told her, "we'll do anything to be closer to God."

Just before the break of dawn in Killeen, Tex., Hasan drove away from the Casa Del Norte apartment complex and stopped for his customary breakfast at a nearby 7-Eleven. The store's owner, wary of him, had spent the past month pretending to be absent whenever Hasan entered. This time, Hasan approached the counter with coffee and hash browns at 6:22 a.m., wearing an Arab robe and a white kufi cap. Before fiddling in his pockets for change, buying his breakfast and driving away to work at Fort Hood, he smiled at another customer and issued what sounded like a warning.

"There's going to be big action on post around 1:30," he said, according to witnesses. "Be prepared."

Clues -- he left them everywhere. When viewed in retrospect, Hasan's life becomes an apparent trail of evidence that leads to an inevitable end. At 1:34 p.m. on Nov. 5, he bowed his head in prayer during his regular shift at Fort Hood, opened his eyes and started shooting, witnesses said. The 39-year-old Army psychiatrist allegedly aimed for soldiers in uniform, firing more than 100 times with a semiautomatic pistol and a revolver. The terror lasted less than 10 minutes. Thirteen people died. Thirty were injured.

Now, more than seven weeks later, what is left of the Fort Hood tragedy is a community haunted by clues that somehow went unheeded. During a week in which the government has lamented missed signals in the case of an attempted bombing on a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit, there remain unresolved questions about how so many signals could have passed unnoticed before the Fort Hood shootings. While the Pentagon, the Army and the FBI work to complete investigations of Hasan with findings due next month, his former friends and colleagues sift backward through his biography and search for answers of their own.

This story, which attempts to fill in that biography, is based on interviews with 100 people who lived, worked or prayed with Hasan in Texas, the District, Virginia and Maryland -- a group now united by its obsession with the same troubling questions.

How do you differentiate between pious and fanatical?

Between lonely and isolated?

Between eccentric and crazy?

And the one question the former friends and colleagues return to most: Could they have recognized the clues in time to stop him?

‘An outcast’
Where were the clues back in 2001, when a friend told his Silver Spring youth group to emulate Hasan as the role model for well-rounded success? Here was a devoted student -- a summa cum laude graduate of Virginia Western Community College, an honors graduate of Virginia Tech -- now well on his way to becoming a doctor. Here was a devoted Muslim who regularly drove to a mosque to pray five times each day, as is customary among the devout, and stuck around between prayers to raise money for the homeless and find temporary housing for new arrivals to Washington. Here was a devoted son who took time off from school and made space in his one-bedroom apartment to care for his mother, sick with cancer.

Hasan took a leave from medical school to spend the better part of two years in his suburban Washington apartment with his mother, Nora, until she died on May 30, 2001. She was 49, and other family members considered her Hasan's closest confidante -- a woman who discouraged her son from joining the military only to later introduce herself as the mother of an Army officer. Hasan hosted her funeral at Dar al-Hijrah, Northern Virginia's biggest mosque, where more than 3,000 people sometimes attend evening prayer and stay afterward for brief funerals. Nora's service, held after a crowded Thursday prayer, was Hasan's last gift to his mother: Muslim belief dictates that the more people who pray for the deceased, the greater the rewards in heaven.

Nora's death left Hasan bereft of his anchor, relatives said, and over the next several years he started to drift. He moved three times in three years, renting rooms in one transient apartment building after the next in the Maryland suburbs.

In the meantime, the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks had made him an occasional target as a Muslim in the Army -- his car was twice vandalized with graffiti and dirty diapers at work -- and he confided to fellow Muslims that he opposed the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and felt like "an outcast." Even inside the mosque, Hasan's haven, he was becoming a misfit as an aging bachelor in a religion that considers marriage not just a priority but a cultural duty.

Wife hunt
His solution was to find a new anchor. Hasan began looking for a wife.

It seemed less a search than a full-time obsession. Hasan's status as a doctor and a military officer made him a considerable catch, but his standards were exacting. He wanted a virgin of Arabic descent -- a woman in her 20s who wore the hijab, understood the Koran and prayed five times a day. He enlisted matchmaking help from three imams, a neighbor in his Silver Spring high-rise apartment complex and the proprietor of a Maryland deli where Hasan liked to eat halal meat for dinner. He quizzed fellow Muslim men about their wives and asked family members to keep an eye out for prospects.

As the years wore on with little to show for the search, Hasan's plight became a running joke among some at the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring: Because of his age, fellow worshipers joked, Brother Nidal always got the first chance at any new woman who joined the mosque.

One day in 2006, as Hasan edged toward his late 30s, he attended a matchmaking event at the Islamic Society of the Washington Area. The annual gathering is a last-chance staple for hundreds of Muslims, some of whom travel from as far as India or Hawaii, to mingle over a breakfast buffet. But attending such an event was an uncharacteristic step for Hasan, who steadfastly avoided group parties with co-workers and who, his aunt Noel Hasan said, "did not make many friends easily and did not make friends fast."

Hasan arrived at the Islamic Society's beige house in Silver Spring, paid the $15 sign-up fee and completed his application. He wrote down his phone numbers, then changed his mind and crossed them out. He skipped several categories, filling out only the essential ones.

Height: 5'6.5".

Weight: 190.

Nationality: Palestinian.

Personality and character: "Quiet, reserved until more familiar with person. Funny, caring, and personable."

Priorities desired in a spouse: "Prays 5x/day at prescribed times. Wears hijab appropriately. Lives life according to Quran/Sunnah."

After breakfast, Hasan and the other 150 singles in attendance formed a gigantic circle and took turns introducing themselves. Some were divorced, others were widowed, and a few had children. When his turn came, Hasan talked about his work as a doctor and his devotion to Islam. Several women showed interest, but Hasan didn't reciprocate. Instead, as the singles filed out, Hasan visited privately with the matchmaker, Faizul Khan, and expressed disappointment. Not a single woman had interested him, he said.

Khan apologized and offered to let Hasan return in a few days to look through stacks of matchmaking applications from previous years. Maybe, Khan suggested, Hasan would find the pious woman of his dreams in the collection of 300 applications and accompanying head shots.

Maybe, Hasan agreed. But he never went back.

In the ensuing months, colleagues said, Hasan spent most of his time alone. He studied for long hours inside a wooden cubicle in the library of the Muslim Community Center, where the administrative assistant wondered whether he was lonely. He ate dinners by himself at his favorite deli, with an open laptop on the table and his head buried behind the monitor. Family members worried that he was becoming increasingly isolated -- with no wife, no parents, no close friends -- but Hasan reassured them. He had no time for company, he said. All of his energy was devoted to work.

Meanwhile, Hasan's colleagues were beginning to worry, too. He proselytized to them in the hallways of Walter Reed Army Medical Center, where he was a psychiatry resident, turning conversations about war and the Redskins into lectures about the Koran. He spoke openly about his opposition to the war in Iraq, repeatedly saying that he could not imagine deploying to fight against fellow Muslims. As the war dragged into 2007, Hasan told family members that he had unsuccessfully tried to get out of the Army by consulting with a lawyer and even offering to repay the cost of his education.

While working at an overloaded military hospital desperate for psychiatrists, Hasan sometimes saw only one or two patients per week -- far fewer than most of his peers, many of whom privately regarded him as either a dud or a slacker. The patients Hasan did treat seemed to deeply unsettle him. He spoke to his aunt Noel Hasan about a patient who had mental problems and facial burns so severe that his skin had nearly melted. The sessions, the aunt quoted him as saying, were sometimes "traumatic." At least once, Hasan counseled a patient about the healing virtues of Islam, prompting a reprimand from his supervisors.

But nothing raised alarm among Hasan's colleagues at Walter Reed quite like his classroom presentations, which seemed to chart the evolution of his beliefs. In June 2007, he gave the culminating presentation of his medical residency to 25 colleagues and supervisors. He was allowed to talk about any subject, and Hasan stood at the front of the room and gave a 50-slide introduction to Islam.

Slide 11: "It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims."

Slide 12: "(4.93) And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is hell."

Slide 49: "God expects full loyalty."

Slide 50: "Department of Defense should allow Muslim Soldiers the option of being released as 'Conscientious objectors' to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events."

Why no-one said anything
Hasan gave another presentation on the topic six months later, classmates said. This time, during his research, he e-mailed back and forth with Anwar al-Aulaqi, an al-Qaeda sympathizer living in Yemen (who also has been linked to the Nigerian man charged in the attempted Detroit plane bombing). Hasan also tested his material in front of fellow Muslims at the Silver Spring mosque. Other students in his public health class presented on topics such as water safety and mold. Hasan focused his work on the thesis that the war on terrorism was actually a war on Islam, several classmates said.

A few months later came a third presentation. This time, Hasan advanced his thesis by one degree: He spoke about the heroism of suicide bombers, classmates said.

Were these the clues of a developing extremist? Or just more cluelessness from a floundering student? Hasan's classmates were divided. At least one student mentioned his concerns to a medical staff supervisor; another classmate, a devout Christian, privately explained to Hasan that the conflict in Iraq was not about "warring with religion," prompting Hasan to shake his head and walk away.

One classmate thought Hasan was misunderstood: "I didn't see him as a threat, I saw him as fervent."

Another believed Hasan could pose a risk but kept quiet. "If you complain and someone higher up says you're biased, that can be a career ender. That dogs you."

By early 2009, what emerged were two conflicting narratives of Hasan's life, which now had only his name in common. One, told by his classmates and colleagues, depicted an isolated man struggling in his career and tending toward radicalism. The other, documented in Hasan's official record, continued to track an Army psychiatrist on the rise: Hasan completed his prestigious medical fellowship, earned a promotion to the rank of major despite his supervisors' misgivings and was named co-chairman of a panel assembled by the American Psychiatric Association. Then, in July 2009, he was assigned to Fort Hood, where he would evaluate and prepare soldiers for war, and prepare to go to war himself.

Guns Galore
Hasan told friends in Maryland that he wished he could avoid moving to Texas, and he never acted like he planned to stay long. Fort Hood staffers typically help officers locate nice places to live, but Hasan found his new home in the classified ads of the Killeen Daily Herald. He paid $325 per month for a one-bedroom unit in a shabby apartment complex on the seedy side of downtown. The welcome sign at the 27-unit Casa Del Norte apartment building was patched together with duct tape, and low-hanging electrical wires lined the nearby streets. Police were dispatched to the building about once a week.

Hasan usually left his apartment for prayer before dawn and returned late in the evening, wearing a white robe and clutching a copy of the Koran. His route home took him past a group of neighbors who liked to drink beer at the picnic table in the courtyard, and they sometimes laughed at his outfits. One neighbor, John Van de Walker, scraped a key across the passenger side of Hasan's car and ripped off a bumper sticker that read "Allah is Love." Van de Walker was charged with criminal mischief and fined, but Hasan told neighbors that he would forgive Van de Walker as a gesture during the holy month of Ramadan.

Shortly after moving to Killeen, Hasan made two purchases that would soon be seen as clues. He went to Guns Galore, a windowless white cinder-block shop on a country highway, and bought a high-powered semiautomatic pistol. He also ordered business cards that listed his professional specialties -- "Behavioral Health -- Mental Health -- Life Skills" -- without mentioning his involvement in the Army. The cards included an abbreviation after Hasan's name: "SoA," standing for "Slave of Allah" or "Soldier of Allah." It was an unusually forceful assertion, one considered odd even by the most pious Muslims.

During business hours at Fort Hood, Hasan worked at the Resilience and Restoration Center, writing psychological profiles of soldiers entering and exiting war. Nobody could study Hasan as closely. Regulars at a Killeen mosque knew him only as devoted and quiet; neighbors in his apartment building referred to him not by name but by his apartment number, calling him "Number 9." He ate dinner night after night at Golden Corral with an 18-year-old named Duane Reasoner, a recent Muslim convert who had left a trail of anti-American postings on jihadist Web sites, but they sat in a corner booth and kept their conversations at a low volume, witnesses said.

Lap dances and conflicting behavior
Nearly everyone in Killeen who interacted with Hasan considered him a mystery, and his actions became more confounding as October turned to November.

Why was an Army psychiatrist, instead of helping soldiers, obsessing over charging them with war crimes?

Why was a conservative Muslim going to the Starz strip club on the nights of Oct. 28 and 29, spending seven hours each night sitting alone at a round table near the stage, handing out Bud Lights and generous tips to each dancer and then buying a series of fully nude private lap dances that cost $50 each?

Why was an Army officer eschewing the shooting range at Fort Hood to drive 35 miles into the central Texas flatlands on Nov. 3 and take his target practice at Stan's Outdoor Shooting Range, where bullets sometimes ricocheted off square targets and hit cars?

Why, on the morning of Nov. 5, were witnesses seeing Hasan hand out copies of the Koran, give away his groceries, issue a warning at 7-Eleven, report to work, stand on a table, shout "Allahu Akbar" and wave two guns inside the Soldier Readiness Processing Center?

Then Hasan allegedly opened fire, and suddenly the questions became clues, and the clues began to make horrifying sense.

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TRIPPY

I don't get it?

So again, what does it mean exactly when somebody hands you a business card saying "Soldier of Allah?"

  • 7 votes
#1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:11 AM EST
screminmimi

Don't worry about it. Governments are famous for "missing the clues". Look at the French Revolution.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:41 AM EST
Michele-659633Deleted
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willowbrook

Everybody dropped the ball here since the prevailing mind set is either, "doing the right thing is not Politically correct," or "someone else will take care of it." No one wants to get involved. No one took care of it and now we have 13 dead service persons.

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:24 AM EST
Jinchuriki2000

awwwwwww, poooor baby!!! its not his fault he shot these people. I agree it was his loneliness, his sadness, and his feeling of not being accepted. I can't believe how terrible he must have felt, poor thing. I think we should let him go and be free! let him FREEE!!!!! it was the military's fault that made him do this, not his!!! GOSH what is coming to america today arn't we modernized? where is your tolerance of religion?

LET HIM FREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

I stand for SURA 5 ;) ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:09 AM EST
jimbo-944865

It's kinda like "Onward Christian soldiers".

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:18 AM EST
PanhandleMike

There are tons of people that are "loners" out there that don't act much different than this Hasan did. Hard to profile him for living alone, no wife or girlfriend or not having any friends. But, here is where the red flags should have been raised:

Why was an Army psychiatrist, instead of helping soldiers, obsessing over charging them with war crimes?

Ding ding ding ding! A U.S. Army officer "obsessing over charging them (fellow soliders) with war crimes?" Isn't that what radical Islamic terrorists want more than anything? To charge American military personnel with war crimes? RED FLAG!!!!!!

Why was a conservative Muslim going to the Starz strip club on the nights of Oct. 28 and 29, spending seven hours each night sitting alone at a round table near the stage, handing out Bud Lights and generous tips to each dancer and then buying a series of fully nude private lap dances that cost $50 each?

This is sooooo ding ding ding ding! A devoted Muslim that prays the required (?) 5 times a day, that holds and believes that the Koran is the Holy Grail, sitting in a naked lady store buying cold beer and TOTALLY NUDE lap dances? What would Allah do? RED FLAG! RED FLAG!

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:17 AM EST
DaveM-877764

Speaking of the events at Ft. Hood- when is the official investigation going to be wrapped up? The media has been too quiet on this attack. No follow up questions, what did you know? When did you know it? aimed at the presidential administration.........

So- was this a Muslim attack? Act of terrorism on American soil? Are muslims going to be looked at more closely?

The potus is sweeping this one under the rug.... as not to rush to judgement or present the facts.

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:52 AM EST
Fred G. from N.C.

Two similarities emerge from the nutsack bomber and this d*ckweed. Both not only gave numerous signals but had actually done enough to be "on the radar" of intelligence organizations. Why neither was interviewed by said intelligence agencies is what we need to be exploring. That is the first step. You can't get to the bottom without starting from the top and whoever is in charge of the various agencies needs to be called on the carpet and explain why there wasn't at least a "selectee" designation for the Nigerian man so he could be interviewed and given a thorough search before boarding a plane for Detroit with a one way ticket bought with cash and why Major Hasan wasn't called aside for a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot interview since he had been combative with his fellow soldiers.

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:15 AM EST
Fred G. from N.C.

What angers me most about both of these attacks is that they could have been prevented without any changes in our current level of security. Both of these losers were out there,basically screaming at the top of their lungs that they were terrorists and yet we failed to act on the information THEY gave us!! We don't need to be giving more attention to Muslims as a whole but we had damn well better start paying attention to RADICAL MUSLIMS!!

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:40 AM EST
rightron-739266

Fred G- you got it. I personally hold the PC crowd totally responsible for this. While droning on for hours with sensitivity training and frisking grandma at the airport, these guys can't get noticed when they are completely on fire! FAILURE on all levels, just so we won't hurt someones feelings. What a joke. If I were of the Muslim faith, I would expect scrutiny until our faith was rid of radicals.

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:50 AM EST
ROY WILSON-336103

'Another believed Hasan could pose a risk but kept quiet. "If you complain and someone higher up says you're biased, that can be a career ender. That dogs you." '

That's what "Political Correctness" gets you.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:07 AM EST
Fred G. from N.C.

I'd say in some cases it goes beyond PC and is a classic case of dereliction of duty. The nutsack bomber's own father had reported him to the U.S. Embassy and why he wasn't a selectee for additional screening and an interview before flying on a one way ticket purchased with cash is even more disturbing than the many signs Hasan gave of his RADICALIZATION!! No additional screening or profiling was needed on either of these guys,just ACTION on the many signs they gave that they were dangerous!! Common sense would go far further than any additional "profiling" or anything else done to combat this scourge!!

  • 1 vote
#1.13 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:53 PM EST
saxon

He continued fireing for 10 minutes; on a army base with 20,000 armed soldiers; however with no ammunition, thanks to the leadership starting with Bill Clinton, draft dodger, and anti-gun nut case.They had to wait for civilian police to get over there to take this religious fanatic down.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:46 PM EST
Fred G. from N.C.

Jimmy Carter was the one who removed ammo and the constant carrying of weapons (surprised?) and the two Republican Presidents after him never fought to restore the soldiers' right to carry our weapons along with ammunition.

  • 1 vote
#1.15 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:20 PM EST
saxon

Thanks Fred I missed that one, need to go slower on my research

    #1.16 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:59 PM EST
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    Daisy in St. Louis

    The article poses the questions:"How do you differentiate between pious and fanatical? Between lonely and isolated? Between eccentric and crazy?"

    Who cares? Once they have weapons and begin dropping hints about "big things to come," they should be investigated. or at least watched carefully. And the authorities should start paying a little more attention when people warn them about the nutcase next door. (Sure, this would require more people on the payroll, but maybe these are the kind of jobs the government should be creating - especially in these times of terror and no gun control.)

    I consider myself a progressive, but we, as a society, need to stop being so worried about offending someone and start using a little common sense in these matters. Those among us who are non-dangerous should understand if we're incovenienced or embarrassed in an effort to prevent these kind of violent attacks.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:24 AM EST
    Michele-659633Deleted
    Daisy in St. Louis

    The right wingers have made liberal sound like such a dirty word that I've adopted progressive to express that I'm working toward progress - going forward - instead of wanting to go back to the good old days before civil rights, women in the workforce, fewer people of color immigrating to the U.S., etc.

    (By the way, the same kind of demonization of the term "feminist" was so successful that now you have young women saying things like, "I'm not a feminist, BUT I do believe in equal pay for equal work...")

    • 3 votes
    #2.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:50 AM EST
    Kevin-500221

    Progressive is the new term the far left liberals use to describe themselves because they know that using the liberal label gets them nowhere. Same group, different label.

    • 2 votes
    #2.3 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:55 AM EST
    Optomyst

    Progressive is an insurance company with that cute girl on their ad.

    • 1 vote
    #2.4 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:50 PM EST
    texamerican1

    To quote Daisy St Lou;

    "The right wingers have made liberal sound like such a dirty word that I've adopted progressive to express that I'm working toward progress - going forward - instead of wanting to go back to the good old days before civil rights, women in the workforce, fewer people of color immigrating to the U.S., etc."

    I consider myself right of center and know some much farther right than I. I know none who wish to return to your "good old days before civil rights, women in the workforce, fewer people of color immigrating to the U.S., etc." Certainly you are not so ignorant as to believe that extremism such as that is widespread on the right.

    Traditionally Progressives tend toward more government, more control. less liberty. (see Hillary C.)

      #2.5 - Sat Jan 2, 2010 6:50 AM EST
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      richard-930836

      WELL,

      This was another "Bright, Shiny", day for the A.C.L.U. and "Political Correctness" everywhere.

      When Middle-Easterners attacked America in 1993 and 2001 we were told that we couldn't "profile" middle-easteners. So security suffered.

      It is just like when 82% of drug trafficers from Florida to new York are Black, But they can't be "profiled".

      Or when 91% of ILLEGAL Drugs, Contraband, OR ILLEGAL workers are brought in from Mexico, We can't "profile" them.

      AS LONG AS AMERICA INSISTS ON "ONLY" PROFILING MIDDLE-AGED WHITE MEN, IT GETS WHAT IT DESERVES. LOL LOL LOL

      • 18 votes
      Reply#3 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:53 AM EST
      Optomyst

      Are you an American, Richard?

        #3.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:50 PM EST
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        arthur l

        i could care less about hasan loosing his mother or could not find a girl friend. or noise in his apt. at night. they should have been looking at his teaching, his references to allah, his emails and hanging around with radical muslims. and we should not be afraid of being accused of profiling or embarrarasing someone because they are not like us. lastly the government should call a terrorist a terrorist. these people are at war with us and should be treated like war criminals. the good will have to suffer for the bad. but they started this war, so be it.

        • 6 votes
        Reply#4 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:56 AM EST
        Airforce_Pilot

        Excellent post Arthur!

        • 1 vote
        #4.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:58 AM EST
        whoknowws

        war crimals tell you they are at war withyou before they strike. terriost like to hide in the shadows and find out were you are vulnerble then strike and then brag how they are better than us. This guy is no war criminal he is a peice of shiit who killed inocent americans

        • 1 vote
        #4.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:30 AM EST
        Ritdog-908299

        But guys, it's not PC! You GOTTA be PC!! Otherwise the whacko, screwball terrorist types don't have any future!

        The ACLU would be out of a job! If they can't defend the terrorists against our wanting to be free of fear of getting killed, blown up, etc. by some radical Muslim, they'd have nothing to do!

        The signs were there- everybody was afraid to say anything, because if you are a minority in this country you can do ANYTHING and get away with it , because otherwise, if you are white and complain, you are a racist. Like the poster said : "It's a career -killer...."

        Unfortunantly, the individual intel agencies are still keeping their info to themselves, because figuring out who is going to attack first makes THEM look better to the politicians who supply their funding.

        This is just like the bankers- instead of getting fired for incompetance and not doing their job ( i.e. spreading the word about suspicious subjects) they stay right there where they are, and keep on screwing up and failing, and get paid the big bucks.

        Profile, profile, profile...........

        • 1 vote
        #4.3 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:10 AM EST
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        reality-1087596

        There were many places and people that  Hasan visited, no one person would be able to put the dots together for these last days before he did this detestable act. Those in goverment positions who may have seen this cming faced profiling charges if they were not careful. When enforcement does get involved such as Border Patrol, or our Navy seals. We put them on trial and jail them fr stopping drug traffickers, or terrorists. The lesson is: avoid getting involved, for  todays laws are to risky to one's freedom. The media seems to blasts goverment

        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:02 AM EST
        Mompantero

        I think the answer to this is simple - counter-terrorism is not a priority of Obama's administration or Obama himself, and neither is national defense. Obama will not say the words "Islamic terrorist" under any circumstances to avoid offending muslims. He wants to talk and scmooze them into peace and stopping the bombing. He's trying to send that liberal diplomatic genius John "Gunboat" Kerry to negotiate with the Iranians to beg them not make nuclear weapons or they will be severely punished by US sanctions. What an arrogant ass, Iranians will buy what they want (groceries and uranium) from China and others. The idiots in our government think we have a lock on technology while in fact, we're behind the times. He just doesn't get it, the Islamists have declared war on this country, wake up and take action. The Islamists are not criminals, they are war fighters, they don't belong in US courts, they are POW's. They recognize this administration as weak, confused, ineffective and incompetent so expect more terrorist acts rather than less. I'm not comforted by Napolitano's "the system worked" speech. If the system worked, Ft. Hood, airplane bombers and the others we don't hear about would be happening. This is the first time in my life that I'm actually in fear for our safety, security and future - I've completely lost confidence in this administration.

        I foolishly voted for Obama, being stupid enough to believe that he would produce real change and not be a "tax and spend" democrat, he isn't, he's a "borrrow and spend" democrat. Change "I can believe in" now is watching that dope walking out of DC in 2012 with Pelosi under one arm and Reid under the other!!!

        • 8 votes
        Reply#6 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:32 AM EST
        texamerican1

        I think you are the Obamacrat convert of the day!

        Political correctness will only get more people killed.

        • 6 votes
        #6.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:07 AM EST
        Ritdog-908299

        Hey Tex- at least some people are waking up.

        More than can be said about half of washington, on BOTH sides of the aisle...

        Good post, Mom...

        • 1 vote
        #6.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:13 AM EST
        Optomyst

        Rit...........................Washington will wake up when they are packing their bags and are out of work. Starting November 2010.

          #6.3 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:52 PM EST
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          uvuvuvDeleted
          Breccia

          from the article...

          How do you differentiate between pious and fanatical?
          Between lonely and isolated?
          Between eccentric and crazy?

          Can you say PROFILE?

          • 2 votes
          Reply#8 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:43 AM EST
          don72

          PROFILE? Now that's a bad word but that is what we have to do look at each individual and see if there is some thing there we need to be concerned about.

          Each of us needs to concerned enough to speak up and then some one needs to take a good look and say yes or no there is a possible problem here....and action taken.

            #8.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:54 AM EST
            Mompantero

            Ever hear about terrorist bombings in China? I wonder what their position on profiling is. I may be old and cranky, but we need to do everything and anything necessary to protect our country. The ACLU and others always quote the position of our founding fathers regarding individual freedoms in the constitution and how it must reflect modern thinking and times. You can't have it both ways, I don't think there were terrorist bombers running around the US like insurance salesmen when the constitution was written. Gun and ammunition sales in the US in the last year are near an all time high. I think this fact reflects the level of confidence that people have in the government taking action - none.

            • 2 votes
            #8.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:02 AM EST
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            uvuvuvDeleted
            What we need are more lawyers

            Two things. This guy was hardly the stable and grounded kind of person to qualify as a psychiatrist helping others with their mental and emotional issues. He had little to no connection with people. And second, too many Americans are too scared to get involved in protecting their country, or they would have alerted authorities to the things they had seen going on with this guy.

            As far as the comment about getting your fingers on your triggers, well, I think that attitude is one of the most freightening things about America today - the subculture of the gun. The misguided efforts to find reasons to shoot them. The proliferation making them readily available to any social misfit that wants one to shoot at someone or perpetrate a crime. I'd guarantee that if the people that wrote the 2nd Amendment were alive today they'd absolutely be horrified at how their intent has been misinterpreted as a constitutional right to proliferate guns of all sizes, capacities, calibers, hidden or in open view. But then the gun industry and the NRA would lose their money stream. So from my perspective, gunners today are actually in violation of the intent of the Constitution, and not protecting it at all, but introducing a threat to its security and that of the country as a whole.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#10 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:57 AM EST
            Paul KahnDeleted
            Ritdog-908299

            WHAT WE NEED- Spoken like a true lawyer: "And second, too many Americans are too scared to get involved in protecting their country, or they would have alerted authorities to the things they had seen going on with this guy."

            The exact reason people ARE afraid to speak up is because they get sued for non-PC "slander" by LAWYERS who will do anything, subvert any belief, to make a buck.

            Better to remain quiet and well-armed......

            I'm a real believer in the Constitution, and believe that it has to be protected. All this liberal PC BS is just subverting that document . What bothers me is that the public IS arming themselves. Many, many people are expressing less and less faith in their "governments" ability to protect them. Politicians ignore the public, ignore their responsibilities, while the appratchicks just sit there and take their orders from the smarmy politicians.

            This is going to blow up someday - the general, well-armed public is just going to start saying " Well, if THEY won't do anything about my security, I will!" --and then the gunfire will REALLY start.

            It's nuts. - and all because we have to be "PC" .

            • 1 vote
            #10.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:32 AM EST
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            ElizabethSC

            Anyone see last night's episode of Criminal Minds .... very telling..

            And yes, this country has worn beige long enough .... Reminds me of the saying that mothers of the groom are asked to do ... "Wear beige and keep your mouth shut"... Well it is high time the American People put on that Technicolor jacket and parade around saying "NO" to this PC state of mind. Think for yourselves.... Just the other night, we had two ladies come to the door at 6:30 pm trying to sell something or another and clearly posted was a "No Soliciting" sign on the window... But, my husband looked and opened the door... After telling them he was not interested, we locked up and went back to our supper and got to thinking..."What if the two had guns? or pepper spray? and decided to use it to barge their way in? Well, long story short.... If you want to sell it /Mail it! No longer aim I answering the door .... may sound hard-nosed but those are the facts ... Mr. and Ma'am

            I don't mean to be so negative about people...but, this is what our world has come to be...just waiting to be scammed or thieved by honest looking folks...And now we have to eat the PCBS sent down by our leadership? I am too old to carry on this Fake Torch...Time to go back to "Tell it like it is" ... Our kids need that reality check!

              Reply#11 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:08 AM EST
              VA Mother of 2

              Thank you Elizabeth. I am not that old and am tired of the PC bs too. Call a spade a spade and be done with it. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - THEN it is a duck! Plain and simple. Percentages don't lie. If a particular group is known to be perpetrating a particular crime in a particular area, then that is who you target to cut back on that crime. You don't target a completely different group of ppl and hope you may get lucky.

              • 2 votes
              #11.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:24 AM EST
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              Ray-824348

              "If you complain and someone higher up says you're biased, that can be a career ender. That dogs you."

              PC mentality is really causing serious problems.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#12 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:12 AM EST
              VA Mother of 2

              So true. Especially in service. When my husband was in the service, we were having marital problems. The service "sells" family first bs and I consulted a Captain I was working for as a secretary for advice. He told me if we were going to seek counseling to do so outside of the service so that it wouldn't end up on my husband's service record. It could affect his clearance and promotions. You shouldn't have to worry about crap like that.

              • 1 vote
              #12.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:27 AM EST
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              Moe Hammid

              Immigrant Lunatic.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#13 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:13 AM EST
              Optomyst

              He was not an immigrant.

                #13.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:01 PM EST
                Moe Hammid

                Oh, sorry. I thought he claimed his nationality was Palestinian.

                Let me correct myself: AMERICAN Lunatic. Better???

                • 1 vote
                #13.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:33 PM EST
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                Paul KahnDeleted
                barb-354345

                Political correctness has gone too far. Anyway, who are you supposed to "notify" if you suspect someone at work, church , school, etc... people do not want to get involved. We are afraid of personal ridicule if it turns out to be nothing. You can become a problem at work, church or school. You could lose your job, become known as an "issue" That is why people don't get involved, it is risky. How can you prove something was about to happen, if it never does (thanks to you) you become the odd one out, too risky. I had this happen, I had suspicions on a neighbor, could not quite nail them down, family members thought I was weird and laughed (there goes crazy mom again)whenever I mentioned it. 2 years later the FBI is at my door wanting information on him, he spent 5 years in prison for child porn. He was a retired policeman, with 25 years of service, living in the burbs, going to church etc... nobody would have listened to me because he was a good christian man. (who made and sold child porn) and I may have been up on slander charges. The burbs are a wonderful place to hide, If I ever take up criminal activity, that is where I will be. Everyone is too busy working to notice others and we do not want to be involved, it is not politically correct and you could end up in a courtroom.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#15 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:19 AM EST
                M Knight

                The government should have known by Hasan's actions prior to Ford Hood. He wanted out of the military, and showed slides on Islam, due to his beliefs. I don't care to read about the Mother. He took time from school on taxpayers' money, and we were still paying him.
                The reason that no one spoke up within the government due to being political correct. If an agency or government employee had spoken-up, then they would have been disciplined for political correctness. This administration is the worst, yet for political correct attitude. How the President thinks, and speaks has a bearing on our agencies. Who could forget, that he went to the Muslim countries and apolized, that the Americans were not being sensitive enough. He allowed Holder to investigate the CIA, even when it had already been done. Obama's socizlied and communist appointment as CZARS. Obama only appointed Napolitian as head of Homeland Security, because he wanted ammenesty pushed for the illegals. Look at her record as Governor of Arizona with illegals. This woman should never have been appointed. America is not safe, now, and Obama's personnal agenda has been placed ahead of the safety for Americans.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#16 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:20 AM EST
                texamerican1

                We are told again and again by experts and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers. The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

                Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

                History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun. Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

                Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and does nothing is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.

                Report suspicious behavior. Save lives.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#17 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:27 AM EST
                Ritdog-908299

                This post makes more sense than anything else in here.

                  #17.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:35 AM EST
                  Optomyst

                  Haven't the "peace-loving" Muslims had enough? Will they ever stand up to this sacrilege before their own religion is destroyed? Where are they? What are they thinking? Why don't they speak out?

                  • 2 votes
                  #17.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:04 PM EST
                  Moe Hammid

                  There arent any. Smell the coffee.

                  • 2 votes
                  #17.3 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:36 PM EST
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                  Steven Terrell, Sr.

                  Live and let live?  You have to be kidding me!  This terrorist killed 14 people in the name of Allah! He killed  because of his religion!  We're supposed to ignore that fact?  Not me pal! Respect them?  Ok you respect them while they behead you and your family if you want.  I'm sure you'll forgive them for that.  Me, I'll have a party the day this TERRORIST is executed!

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#18 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:32 AM EST
                  texamerican1

                  I will be cheering just like the terrorists were when the twin towers fell.

                  I found myself grinning to hear that Hasan was "paralyzed and in a lot of pain" after the murders.

                  • 4 votes
                  #18.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:51 AM EST
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                  LaceyQ

                  What?...no clues?...there were so many bells and whistles going off in the military on this terrorist that it's ludicrous to even talk about clues to citizens. Once again, are the citizens supposed to be the ones to figure these things out? So far, on the planes with terrorists since 2001. these plots have been thwarted by crew members (not federal employees) and by fellow passengers. Stop putting this burden on regular people and amp up this war on terror.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#19 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:34 AM EST
                  getalifevirginia-892326

                  Political correctness IS the reason that Hasan wasn't caught and stopped. This country, if it want's to survive has got to get rid of the stupid rule of political correctness. We've simply got to be able to speak the truth again.

                  For example. Islam is not the religion of peace! It's a religion of hate and violence. From it's beginning it has believed in destroying "unbelievers" in the most vile ways possible. It believes that their god Allah has given them the job of forcing people through jihad to join their religion.

                  Until we're willing to say it like it is we're going to be caught unprepared time after time after time.

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#20 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:44 AM EST
                  jedward

                  Now we have a little insight into why Obama said to not jump to conclusions about Nidal Hasan and why Congressmen were not briefed before the press leak.

                  This murdering Muslim Terrorist who killed and wounded the soldiers and civilians at Ft Hood, Texas was an advisor to Obama's Homeland Security team. Look on page 29 of the Homeland Security Institute link below.

                  I wonder how many more skeletons there are . Who else is there in the government or its numerous advisors or Czars that will harm our country and citizens?

                  http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf Go to page number 29, scroll down to the8th name on the Left Column.

                  This is pg 29, in case you don't want to read all the pages:

                  Kevin Gundersen U.S. House of Representatives

                  Jeff Gunnulfsen National Petrochemical &. Refiners Association

                  Vikram Gupta Homeland Security Institute

                  David Hagy U.S. Department of Justice

                  Ronna Halbgewachs The George Washington University

                  Amanda Halpern U.S. House of Representatives

                  Beth Hampton Homeland Security Institute

                  Nidal Hasan Uniformed Services University School of Medicine

                  Donald Hawkins U.S. Department of Homeland Security

                  Eric Heighberger Homeland Security Council

                  Jessica Herrera-Flanigan Monument Policy LLC

                  R. Denton Herring U.S. House of Representatives

                  Andrew Herrmann National Counterterrorism Center

                  Greg Holmes Holmes Management Group

                  Milton Hoenig Nuclear Physicist and Author

                  Jonathan Hoffman U.S. Department of Homeland Security

                  David Hutchison Embassy of Canada

                  Spencer Hsu Washington Post

                  Kwei-Bo Huang Johns Hopkins University

                  David Jennings Homeland Security Institute

                  Venilde Jeronimo The George Washington University

                  Fernando Jimenez Interamerican Investment Corporation

                  Jean Johnson The George Washington University

                  Beth Jones U.S. Department of Homeland Security

                  Ed Jopeck SRA International, Inc.

                  Paul Joyal National Strategies Inc.

                  Hisham Kamal IBM Corporation

                  Daphne Kamely Potomac Institute of Policy Studies

                  29

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#21 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:50 AM EST
                  Paul KahnDeleted
                  Optomyst

                  Try the IBM guy..........Educated in Cairo.

                  • 1 vote
                  #21.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:12 PM EST
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                  tuffsheet-1085444

                  Isn't it ironic that we have a whole story-book amount of information about this terrorrist weirdo bastard AFTER he kills 13 of our fighting forces in our own country? Sounds to me like the US ARMY should be paying more attention to some of their own...especially when there are so many OBVIOUS signs! I wonder if they believe in the concept of infiltration? If the Army doesn't prosecute this guy as a terrorrist that will be the second failure in the system!

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#22 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:52 AM EST
                  Lunchbox

                  The Army cant prosecute him as a terrorist because the UCMJ doesnt recognize terrorism as a separate crime. He has been charged with 13 counts of pre-meditated murder and 30 counts of attempted murder. 1 count of pre-meditated murder is enough for a capital conviction, though I find it highly unlikely that this joker will be executed. I honestly think that the case for treason can be made as well, but I think the prosecutors will stick to the murder charges.

                    #22.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:07 PM EST
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                    txmom32

                    What I gained from this article was that Hasan was a coward in every aspect of his life with the exception of his mothers care and death. He was a coward when it came to finding a wife. A coward when it came to a free exchange of ideas. A coward when it came to interpersonal relationships. A coward when it came to both aspects of his profession. The latter is the part that I find difficult to digest as he was promoted in his career where it seems there was absolutely no merit for the promotion.

                    How does a Coward of this extraordinary magnitude rise through the ranks of our volunteer military in a position that is truly vital to the stability of our soldiers?

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#23 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:13 AM EST
                    Kevin-500221

                    Good quiestion! Does affirmative action ring a bell? You don't have to be qualified or industrious to move ahead.

                    • 1 vote
                    #23.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:34 AM EST
                    Optomyst

                    He was promoted, according to MSNBC "In spite of his superiors' misgivings." Please someone, tell me why you have a superior if they do nothing.

                    • 2 votes
                    #23.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:07 PM EST
                    Lunchbox

                    The Army is horrendously short on trained psych docs. The fact that he had a pulse and a doctorate was probably enough to get him promoted to Major. Even for the Combat Arms branches that promotion has become nearly automatic. Attrition sucks, bottom line.

                      #23.3 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:09 PM EST
                      Optomyst

                      One has to wonder how many heads he got into and twisted.

                      • 1 vote
                      #23.4 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:13 PM EST
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                      Bighorn

                      Confucius says when a rattle snake shakes his tail in warning don't pick it up.

                        Reply#24 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:45 AM EST
                        reality-1087596

                        Getting the Media, or goverment agencies to pay attention to preventing disasters is like pulling teeth. I and my Congressman have written DOT and Homeland Security, as well as I have wrote MSNBC and other major news media's about it being perfectly legal to carry 100 lbs. of solid poison on a Transent Bus. "Department of Safety Commercial Drivers Manuel in Section 4.2.2-Forbidden Hazourdous Materials 2nd paragraph it says "A passenger may not carry more than 100 pounds of solid poisons." A City Bus Driver cannot prevent it for the way the law is written. If lit it would not be a good scenario for all on board. MSNBC needs to work on prevention stories they are sent instead of clues missed by others. lives saved is a good story too.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#25 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:56 AM EST
                        Dave-781087

                        Political correctness, starting at the top, caused the Fort Hood massacre and the 12/25 attempt to bomb the plane. When words are used like"man made disaster" instead of what we are really dealing with, islamic terrorism, we have a real problem.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#26 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:03 AM EST
                        Fred G. from N.C.

                        RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM, but close enough!!

                          #26.1 - Fri Jan 1, 2010 12:43 AM EST
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                          bestquest

                          Hasan did not do a medical or psychiatric residency. He got an MBA in public health!

                          Somehow, he was not psyco-analized as part of his education to become a psychiatrist.

                          Authors summarizing info together for Woodward's book??

                          This fella was LAZY!! Two clients a week in DC?? Who, except the government, could afford to keep such a non-producer on the payroll??

                          Last, a moderate or devout Muslim would be for helping peoples rather than destroying them. His lack of professional ethics, being a murderer, and a sleezey kind of guy makes me wonder how he was able to stay in the army all these years - although his OER's were likely as underperformer (from other articles).

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#27 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:25 AM EST
                          steve-453216

                          As long as PC is the rule of the day...these type of crimes will continue...until someone has the balls to say something without the fear of being called a racist or profiler this type of crime will continue...until that happens nothing will change.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#28 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:32 AM EST
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