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Will latest jobs bill really produce jobs?

Sun Jan 3, 2010 5:15 AM EST
business, politics, us, congress, jobs
Jim Abrams, Associated Press
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<p>James Dash Jr., who is unemployed, uses a computer to look for work at the central branch of the Free Library of Philadelphia in Philadelphia, Wednesday, Dec. 30, 2009. The number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits dropped unexpectedly last week, a sign the job market is healing as the economy slowly recovers. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke) </p>

James Dash Jr., who is unemployed, uses a computer to look for work at the central branch of the Free Library of Philadelphia in Philadelphia, Wednesday, Dec. 30, 2009. The number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits dropped unexpectedly last week, a sign the job market is healing as the economy slowly recovers. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

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WASHINGTON — When the Senate takes up a jobs bill later this month or early in February, the debate will center on whether it really will create jobs and be worth plunging the government tens of billions of dollars further into debt.

Republicans scoff at the "Jobs for Main Street Act" title that House Democrats put on their $174 billion package last month. They refer to it as "son of the stimulus," the $787 billion economic recovery plan of nearly a year ago that they say was ineffective at producing jobs.

In its last vote of 2009, the House narrowly passed the bill, 217-212, without a single Republican supporter.

Democrats tick off the job prospects from the House bill's $75 billion in infrastructure and public sector spending: tens of thousands of new construction jobs, 5,500 more police officers, 25,000 additional AmeriCorps members, 250,000 summer jobs for disadvantaged youth, 14,000 part-time jobs for parks and forestry workers.

"Why don't we just put everyone in the United States on the federal government payroll and call it a day?" counters Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif.

House Democrats diverted $75 billion from the Wall Street bailout fund to offset some of the costs. Opponents said that amounted to a shell game because unused bailout money is supposed to be used to reduce the deficit, which hit $1.4 trillion in the 2009 budget year.

The Senate, however, has less of an appetite for another costly round of economic stimulus measures, particularly with a vote on tap for Jan. 20 to again raise the ceiling on the government's total debt just a month after upping it to $12.4 trillion.

Conspicuously absent from the House plan were President Barack Obama's proposals to attack unemployment through tax credits for small businesses that create jobs and for homeowners who make their dwellings more energy efficient.

A job-creating tax credit for small businesses has support among some Democrats in the Senate, even though critics fear it may be too complex to work.

"Small business people have too much to do just to keep their businesses afloat to try and figure out some fancy, complex credit," Lawrence Lindsey, an economic adviser to former President George W. Bush, told a Democratic panel last month.

But Gene Sperling, an adviser to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, said tax credits would empower growing small businesses.

"If these have even a marginal incentive on even a few ... employers, the bang for the buck in terms of job creation would be one of the highest of any of the types of incentives that we've had," Sperling said.

The job creation issue is complicated. Much of the money in the House bill goes to programs that may stimulate the economy but don't appear to directly put people to work.

There's $41 billion to extend unemployment benefits for six months and $12.3 billion to extend a health insurance subsidy for people who have lost their jobs. There's extension of a child tax credit for poor families, $23.5 billion to help states cover Medicaid costs and $23 billion so states can support some 250,000 education jobs over the next two years. An additional $2.8 billion goes to clean water and environmental restoration projects.

Even the investment in "shovel-ready" highway and bridge projects may not immediately translate into a reduction in the nation's 10 percent unemployment rate.

Republicans cited government figures showing that, as of Sept. 30, only 9 percent of $27.5 billion for highways in the first stimulus bill had been spent. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that of the $39 billion in the new House jobs bill directed to the departments of Transportation and Housing and Urban Development, only $1.7 billion will get spent before next October.

A lot of the money "hasn't even gotten out of Washington yet," said Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House's second-ranked Republican. "Why is it still here if it was designed to create jobs?"

Rep. James Oberstar, D-Minn., chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, said some 8,000 highway and transit projects — more than half those designated under last February's stimulus bill — are under way, creating or sustaining 210,000 direct jobs. When indirect jobs are included, that number reaches 630,000, he said.

The low federal spending rate, committee officials said, is because the treasury outlay comes at the end of the process, after the contractor bills the state and the state bills Washington.

Dan DuBray, spokesman for the Interior Department's Bureau of Reclamation, said his agency will have no problem putting to work the $100 million it would receive under the jobs bill to provide clean drinking water to rural areas. "Projects in Reclamation are much akin to planes waiting on the taxiway waiting to take off."

Matt Jeanneret, spokesman for the American Road and Transportation Builders Association, agreed that "a lot of jobs" have been saved by the stimulus act, although in many cases federal money is basically replacing lower levels of private or state investment. The unemployment rate in the construction industry remains at about 19 percent, almost double the national level.

The stimulus is "a needed shot in the arm, but the real solution is a long-term highway and transit investment bill," Jeanneret said. Congress has put off consideration of a six-year $450 billion infrastructure measure to replace the highway and transit act that expired in September.

The CBO has estimated that employment was 600,000 to 1.6 million higher in the third quarter of 2009 because of the stimulus act.

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Associated Press writer Ann Sanner contributed to this report.

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On the Net:

Information on the bill, H.R. 2847, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov/

Congressional Budget Office: http://www.cbo.gov/

Background on the Jobs for Main Street Act: http://tinyurl.com/yz2ryx9

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The Spirit

If the first one worked, why do we need a second one? If the first one didn't work, why are we doing it again?

Democrats don't have the slightest idea how to create jobs in the private sector. Maybe we can talk the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor again. That's the only thing that pulled FDR's fat out of the fire.

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 5:54 AM EST
Danny McGee

Democrats don't have the slightest idea how to create jobs in the private sector. Maybe we can talk the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor again. That's the only thing that pulled FDR's fat out of the fire.

Lol, if only you conservatives realize how much credibility you lose when you try to use revisionist history to substantiate your political dogma. But then, with statements like these, I guess you're not trying to convince anybody else as much as you're trying to convince yourself....

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 7:31 AM EST
intellectually honest-501027

Lol, if only you conservatives realize how much credibility you lose when you try to use revisionist history to substantiate your political dogma

perhaps true...but you do not answer the question, which is valid - if the first stimulus is working, why do we need another one? ...and if not, why would we "try again"??

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 7:50 AM EST
intellectually honest-501027

...and you are in good company - I believe both Hitler and Stalin thought FDR's initiatives were wonderful, as well.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 7:55 AM EST
The Spirit

Revisionist history. Pffft.

Immutable Truths About Liberals #3. You can always tell what liberals are up to by what they accuse conservatives of doing.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 8:05 AM EST
Starseeker

The TARP money wasn't all spent (and some has been returned) and the stimulus money hasn't been spent so we certainly don't need to allocate more money to pay for creation of jobs but for the attitude of never let a good crises go to waste.

Now theres the proviso that the Gov could actually create a job.

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 10:59 PM EST
pcbynature

Lol, if only you conservatives realize how much credibility you lose when you try to use revisionist history to substantiate your political dogma. But then, with statements like these, I guess you're not trying to convince anybody else as much as you're trying to convince yourself....

More wn's need to learn this...

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 6:54 AM EST
jdl-28

The jobs are not for citizens of this country it is for illegal from Mexico and the H1-b visa people.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 7:50 AM EST
marcv-1026579

If the first one worked, why do we need a second one? If the first one didn't work, why are we doing it again?

Well said Spirit!

With only a quarter of the so called stimulus in place, why are they creating another bill? Obama does not care much for his fellow Americans it appears as my business continues to tank by the day. It's all about politics and not us who are suffering. As we know, Obama will make a big push for the reminder of the money just before ELECTIONS in 2012, isn’t that convenient. We need relief now if this is what this money is truly for!! I personally do not think it will have much effect. I still do not buy fully into the John Maynard Keynes theory of Big Government buying our way out of the depressions that have been manufactured by the elites. The recovery must be lead by consumers who do not have much money left and worry daily about their job security.

IMHO, they are just looking to create another massive bill to slam another 8000 or so pork projects into it! Obama promised NO PORK! Well the Stimulus, Omnibus, The Defense spending bill is ALL LOADED with billions in pet projects that have nothing to do with long term effects for job creations.

    #1.8 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:06 PM EST
    eriq samson

    Let's start with 40% if the Stimulus went to tax cuts, not stimulus / job creation

    So while you are telling those lies, understand that the economic advice at the time said it was TOO SMALL; they are just trying to keep it as small as they can rather than really do what is right

    They need to quit getting half-a-loaf, compromising with the rabid right wingnuts, and do the right thing - a stimulus big enough to make a real difference

    • 2 votes
    #1.9 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 4:37 PM EST
    Reply
    Julian Sandoval

    Wow. What a pro-founding suggestion. Let me guess, you have a picture of the Bush family on your living room wall?

    Yeah, like as if we need more rhetoric.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 7:21 AM EST
    intellectually honest-501027

    Uncertainty in the private sector will continue to hinder real job growth. Health care and cap and trade initiatives are "unknowns" at this point, which will continue to cause private business to fear capital investment and expansion. The original stimulus has not begun to create significant job growth in the private sector - 5000 new police officers, summer jobs for disadvantaged youth, Americorp and new forest industry/parks service jobs will be funded by the government (tax payer money), which while perhaps a worthy cause, will further diminish the ability of small business to expand and create real jobs. Government stimulus can have a short term positive effect, but ultimately creates further "shrinkage" in the jobs market.

    Case in point - the "cash for clunkers" program verifiably "saved" approximately 300 jobs at a local auto related manufacturing plant - this company was able to retain this many workers and kept them busy filling orders for the auto industry - a direct and positive result of the "clunkers" plan - the down side is that these 300 workers face the very likely prospect of being out of work within the first quarter of 2010 - with little hope for returning. Other local businesses are "standing pat" - no additional hires, with none planned in the foreseeable future - they do not know what their business model is going to look like as they wait to understand the ramifications to their bottom line as a result of the health care and cap bills.

    Pres. Obama seems to be open to some tax incentives/reductions as part of a "new" stimulus plan - guess he is serious about creating jobs now - but it seems this path should have been the first choice to get businesses back to stability and perhaps growth, then tackle his other initiatives.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 7:44 AM EST
    Jeff-Las Vegas

    Exactly- Some of the jobs created have been temporary jobs at best. Add to that the many of the jobs were ones that State Govts had threatened with lay-offs due to budget problems and only have temporary reprieves until the Federal Money runs out. The efforts to fund

    250,000 summer jobs

    while admirable do nothing at all towards strengthening the economy. Our people in Washington just do not get it at all. Job growth will only happen with Business growth and our politicians are more interested in Government growth.

    • 1 vote
    #3.1 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 8:32 AM EST
    my-pockets-r-mt

    Pres. Obama seems to be open to some tax incentives/reductions as part of a "new" stimulus plan

    Tax incentives mean nothing until we know what they have planned for all the other taxes and fees that they plan to dump on all of us.

    I agree the last one didn't work so why would another.

    • 1 vote
    #3.2 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 10:34 AM EST
    eriq samson

    Tax incentives DO NOT WORK

    This has been demonstrated time and again and yet wingnuts keep trying to repeat the mistakes of the past

    Get a clue, Reality is calling

    TAX INCENTIVES DO NOT WORK

    • 2 votes
    #3.3 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 4:39 PM EST
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    Corsair977

    Any bill intended to "produce" jobs is a sure boondoggle.

    The ONLY way to produce jobs is to lower taxes and give incentives to industry.

    This is historical fact.

    Liberals have ALWAYS taken the wrong approach to this problem.

    The only other way is to open up more government jobs, which only produces

    bigger government that needs more tax dollars to fund it.

    It's just that simple folks.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 8:22 AM EST
    eriq samson

    Again with the wingnut insanity - LOWERING TAXES DOES NOT WORK

    Take a look at 2001 - 2008 and say that L I E again; History, reality says this is a L I E

    • 1 vote
    #4.1 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 4:43 PM EST
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    Linda-756822

    I see where the Power of Control means more in government than health care, jobs or anything else. I noticed that the article said that the house narrowly passed the bill without a single republician supporting it. did anyone stop and look at this statement? Do you think that these two parties really care about our good or their POWER.

    People, you all better open up your eyes and see that Parties don't run government; NATURE does. What are the natures of our politicians? You mean to tell me that there wasn't one republican that supported this "Jobs of Main Street Act"? NOT ONE??

    Our representaives are not looking out for our good in anything--they are looking out for PARTY CONTROL. This ought not be so in America.

    Government should not be divided into two different parties. It should be One government for All where all the representatives individually vote according to whats good and right for the people; not whats good for their PARTY.

    These Parties divide our countries Nature. People vote according to their party instead of voting how their Nature tells them to vote. Whether ones Nature tells them that the bill is good or bad our representatives will turn away from their Nature instincts and be swayed into following the Party whether they think it is right or wrong.

    Parties are being argued about here. Just look at the statements about Conservatives, Democrates. Liberals etc. These parties cause nothing but TROUBLES and arguements in our society. Open up your eyes and see how one is trying to prove a point and another person is trying to prove theirs.

    Whos Party is right and whose Party is wrong? Mans Natures run our government; not Parties. Stop choosing sides. Why can't people just discuss without argueing whether or not the Bill would be good for We, the people as a society or would it be bad for We, the people as a whole society?

    Take the Parties away; out of sight and out of MIND and discuss the problem. Prove your points of discussion. What do YOU specifically think about the Bill. Is it good or bad for ALL People.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 9:36 AM EST
    Repoman-1208817

    For the last 6 months or so the current administration and the media have been telling us the stimulus has been successful. Then in the next sentence they tell us the real spending from the stimulus will take place in 2010. Now they tell us we need another 200 billion in spending to create jobs?

    So which is it? Could you imagine your accountant telling you crap like this? Invest here and you will see this happen...then in the next year this will happen...then he comes and tells you he needs more money to the tune of 1/3 of what you initially gave him, for you to realize the full benefits of what he initially told you....

    Lies, lies, and more lies. Stimulus, cap and trade (cap and tax in reality), health reform (lacking and real health reform), jobs bill...what is next? Am I the only one who sees a trend here?

    The way the Gov is acting they should just call the next bill the "2010 Congressional Cash Grab". Pelosi and Reid can stand at a podium and tell us how stupid we are and how they know how to spend our money better than we do...

    • 4 votes
    Reply#6 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 10:32 AM EST
    amero2010

    I agree-lies, lies, and more lies. I would submit that both of the major parties are up to it though. Our politics are so poisoned now that we are in big trouble no matter who is in any office. Until a major third party that is completely independant from the existing two gets powerful, we will be dealing with the same lies. As long as the two parties can do a free for all on the tax payer, they will keep on doing it. We have to get outside the box.

    • 3 votes
    #6.1 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 11:26 AM EST
    Repoman-1208817

    So true. Both parties are different shades of the same color...Neither has the best interest of the country as their driving principal...

    • 3 votes
    #6.2 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 1:07 PM EST
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    EAS-E Auto Services

    Problems with growing the government is what results from it. It's 100% funded by us. Even if the government puts all of us unemployed to work right now it would do little to help any of the states and in the long run damage them. To fund this it needs to draw more taxes making any dollar earned worth less. It also does not generate sales taxes in anything it does including the construction projects. Reductions to state budgets. It buys bulk lots of whatever it purchases such as fuel, equipment, supplies, etc.. Does nothing for local businesses. If the total government employment is 20% of society vs maybe 5% there's 15% reductions to state budgets. If normal unemployment was 3-5% it leaves 10-12% minimum reductions to states and private businesses. NYS as it is has massive budget shortfalls it keeps trying to cut and cut from it's budgets to not go bankrupt. It's mentioned tax incentives or cuts to small businesses. What good will that do? As businesses cut back they earn less, government take over of workforce reduces private sales, and top to bottom keep cutting back except the fed gov. The budgets cut back put less into the tax system and create a downward spiral. The resolve is to actually put money into small business hands. I kept myself busy and working for 6 years when coupled with other resources by investing a total of 2-300K. The government currently is spending billions of our dollars and maybe can slow how many people are unemployed every month at best. My work supported dealers which support manufacturers, fuel stations low skill jobs, part suppliers, provided some added persons, sales taxes, and innovations saved community expenses. What is needed is accessible small business loans at low interest rates. This repaid compounds many recoveries. Click through my name to Economic Recovery for Upstate NY for details. Give your thoughts and if positive spread the word until the small business owners have a voice.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#7 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 10:59 AM EST
    JayMitch

    Stop outsourcing and higher import tax, problem solved. But it will not happen since big business owns Congress.

      Reply#8 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 1:25 PM EST
      iroquis

      "...big business owns Congress"

      We need public funding of campaigns. All of our social systems and economy are broken. If we continue on with the systems we have now the middle class will evorapate.

      The energy demands of the world will make our transportation systems and housing unworkable.

      Our economy cannot continue with manufacturing around 10% of GDP, our energy costs as a percentange of revenues and balance of trade are unsustainable.

      The continued transfer of wealth to the top will leave millions of Americans doomed to poverty.

      Sadly, government must interfere and spend just to stabilize the human needs of U.S. society. We will have to address the costs later.

      • 2 votes
      #8.1 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 5:15 PM EST
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      Borncorn

      They seem to be trying to help out the construction industry more than anyone else. This is where the job losses have hit the hardest. Construction was going full speed with the Bush easy money policies and no down payment and 125% of equity loans. Cash for caulkers etc, I hope they work. Lot of people are in construction.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#9 - Sun Jan 3, 2010 10:39 PM EST
      StephenViscusiDeleted
      Plain Sick O taxes

      WE need only remember that anything run by the Government never works. Except jobs in the Government. And getting rid of those boondoggles is almost impossible . Ever since Government started sticking their noses into our lives, our lives have become intollerable. And those who arrive on the scene to run for office promise to end it all, but always seem to make it worse . Barak Hussein Obama has been the worst or equal to the worst of these who make promises they know are impossible to keep, just to win office. I'm not going to bother to go back and lool up all his insane remarks. Everyone knows them . The trick is to find one that he has kept. Or one that has worked. Or one that hasn't made Americans worse off than they were before. The real travesty is, that all those who surround him GOP and DEM alike , can find no way to get rid of him . The corruption has touched them all. You cannot point out the skeleten in someone else's closet, when you you can't open the door to your's , because it's chuck full. We all know 2010 is here and election day is near. Now the trick will be to really look into a candidate. We see what articulation and mere words can bring . Last November brought us a big bag filled with air. But instead of sticking a pin into it to cure our ills at once, we are just letting the air escape slowly , thereby letting more and more corruption flourish along the way. Better Impeach now , and get rid of Pelosi, Dodd, Reid, Shumer , Fwank, and the rest as soon as possible. Our money's about gone, but we still can breathe. I'd hate to think we're wating to see them steal that from us, as well.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#11 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 6:54 AM EST
      pcbynature

      WE need only remember that anything run by the Government never works.

      Can you hear yourself?

      • 1 vote
      #11.1 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 6:58 AM EST
      tyler

      10 deleted, StephenViscusi throwing in an advertising signature. Stop.

      Newsvine's primary purpose is to provide a place for people to share and discuss topics relating to the news. Self-promotion, seeding links to your own site(s), and advertising are not allowed.

      • 2 votes
      #11.2 - Tue Jan 5, 2010 4:08 PM EST
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      Plain Sick O taxes

      YEah , I can hear myself . What's your point ?

        Reply#12 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 7:05 AM EST
        hvymtl83

        His point is that you just uttered the #1 neocon lie: "Anything run by the Government never works." If that were true, then the US would not be the richest, most successful nation on the face of the Earth. We are where we are largely because we have the most successful government - the best combination of laws, economic structure, political structure. The simple fact is that our nation's structure is what enables our productivity and creativity. Our nearly optimal blending of private enterprise and collective government spending has created an infrastructure second to none. It is that infrastructure which enables use to become wealthy as individuals and as a nation.

        And please, no short-sighted carping about debt levels and us sinking down. That has been done since 1787. The latest neocon "woe is us" routine was right after the Vietnam War. We were ruined and would never rise again. Right. Each time we have come roaring back. Feel free to be a negativist loser if you wanna be, just don't expect me to buy it. Take it back to your trailer court.

        • 3 votes
        #12.1 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 8:26 AM EST
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        greg-709692

        Will latest jobs bill really produce jobs?

        NO!

        stimulus

        n stimulus [ˈstimjuləs]
        1 something that causes a reaction in a living thing.

        2 something that rouses or encourages a person etc to action or greater effort

        The last one didn't do anything but hand out money and raise the salaries of those that really didn't need it.
        The first one wasn't encouraging or stimulating, especially after 10 months, and this one is just a flat out lie!!!
        LIARS!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#13 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 7:44 AM EST
        hvymtl83

        Well, several of my friends were worried about being laid-off back in Oct. The stim money hit our area and they are now working overtime and their companies have hired additional to keep up. LIAR.

        • 3 votes
        #13.1 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 8:28 AM EST
        greg-709692

        Which Companies? Government Jobs?

        So, several Friends is stimulating for the country?

        By the way, don't concifer road projects getting started pat of stimulus. Most, if not all were already permitted and funded before this package. It takes more than a few months to permit a major infrastructure project. (Engineering 101)

        • 1 vote
        #13.2 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 8:32 AM EST
        Borncorn

        Not all projects were funded prior to the stimulus.

        (Common sense 101)

        • 1 vote
        #13.3 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:17 PM EST
        greg-709692

        Not all projects were funded prior to the stimulus.

        Really? Which ones?

        I know of 10 highway projects here in Florida, now having signage stating "Funded by the Stimulus package" that were already approved and funded, before the Stimulus.

        People are so gullable at times. The States are just using the extra money now shelled out, to save for a rainy day later. Why should they spend their own money, when they got tax payer money for free. Doesn't cost them a dime now!

          #13.4 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:25 PM EST
          hvymtl83

          Which companies? Several construction firms here in Central PA. Lot's of hiway construction from the stim money going on in my area. And while "several friends" may not be stimulating for you, it is for them. Further, my post was not ment as an absolute measure of the effectiveness of the stim money, rather an anecdotal account of it happening in my area. Thus, since I can see it happening I do get to say LIAR! Further, I don't really give a crap if you believe it or not. Your belief is not necessary for success. In fact, from your other posts you are very likely an excellent contrary indicator. That is the major value I find in the Vine.

          • 2 votes
          #13.5 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:55 PM EST
          greg-709692

          You do understand, you haven't shown if these were projects already permitted or funded.

          99% of companies that do state work, already have contracts and are mega companies working for the state. Also, can you tell me if these projects you say just started, because of the Stimulus, are in house or have been contracted out to private business's.

          • 1 vote
          #13.6 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 2:01 PM EST
          Reply
          Texasguy01

          Lord have Mercy when the AP is questioning President Obama. They have been a loyal propaganda machine for him for years.

          My guess is President Obama is using a Cloward-Pivin strategy to collapse the dollar and replace it with a George Soros approved international currency. You have to spend quite a bit to create the inflationary spiral needed. Plus they are toast in the next election and it is getting worse. President Obama is economically clueless and needs to be politically removed from office as soon as possible for the benefit of the entire world.

            Reply#14 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 11:09 AM EST
            Borncorn

            My guess is President Obama is using a Cloward-Pivin strategy to collapse the dollar and replace it with a George Soros approved international currency.

            Whoooaa! You might want to see if you can change the antennae on that tin-foil hat.

            • 1 vote
            #14.1 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:19 PM EST
            Reply
            Bighorn

            Mostly state, county and local government union jobs will be stimulated with the jobs bill.

            As usual its a political payoff to the unions.

              Reply#15 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:00 PM EST
              LeftInTexas

              The jobs issue is not going to get solved until Americans in general move beyond the 20th century mindset to living and working in America. That old notion of personal independence!

              The United States can no longer expand horizontally and rely on a broken infrastructure requiring 2 trillion dollars in repairs that was originally designed for crude oil priced at $20.00/barrel to produce gasoline for a consumer credit nation with a partitioned living area verses working area master community plan.

              Everything most Americans do require a personal car to enable their consumer mobility. The oil companies, the auto industry, car repair and auto insurance industry have collaborated to chain most Americans to the loosing proposition of automobile ownership which immediately depreciates, costs more more to operate and immediately begins the endless maintenance clock the moment you drive the automobile [financial boat anchor] off the car sales lot.

              As Americans we need to demand a better work-life balance, as opposed to sitting on freeways choking on smog literally dying to get to our cookie-cutting inefficient homes that bleed our hard earned wages with sky-rocketing utility, maintenance and upgrade bills.

              The whole notion of the so-called "American dream" is code for Wall Street share-holder value that we eagerly invest in our own slavery thinking there will be a better life if we can just retire someday after we burn ourselves out working to an over crowded beach or lake community. With all the medical advancements coming down the pipe, maybe we can all out living that wonderful financial planning we spent a working lifetime to build, only to die broke and un-happy on social security.

              This is today's America that Americans are allowing our politicians to perpetuate as they reap special interest political campaign contributions to continue their lifetime appointments on behave of corporate America.

              Until Americans demand change, this is your life and all you have to look forward to in the future which is actually pretty bleak if things continue without change. With dropping voter attendance and a partisan political party mindset, the forces that want to control us have us; RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT US!

              Enjoy the viscious circle, the insanity of an American [corporate] dream

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              Reply#16 - Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:32 PM EST
              Robert Eberenz - Diamond Slice

              Maybe I'm confused, but I thought we set aside $700 billion in stimulus aimed at "creating jobs". Unless the government literally pays for private payrolls, there's not much more they can do. Unfortunately this kind of activity has been approved as a legal means of spending stimulus and is being used to stem job losses. The December Employment report may show that job losses ended in 2009, yet there's a good chance for a surprise to the downside.

                Reply#17 - Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:19 AM EST
                eriq samson

                Yes, you are confused.

                40% of that money went to tax cuts - in the form of lower withholding so it showed up immediately (it just wasn't a large amount per person - $10 - 20 per week which adds up to $500 - 1,000 per person over a year)

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                #17.1 - Sat Jan 9, 2010 4:49 PM EST
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