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Major earthquake devastates Haiti’s capital

Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:30 PM EST
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— PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - Dazed and injured Haitians sat on darkened streets pleading for help Wednesday and untold numbers were trapped in tons of rubble brought down by the strongest earthquake to hit this poor Caribbean nation in more than 200 years.

Destroyed communications made it impossible to tell the extent of destruction from Tuesday afternoon's 7.0-magnitude tremor — or to estimate the number of dead lying among thousands of collapsed buildings in Haiti's capital.

The ornate National Palace crumbled into itself, the headquarters of the U.N. peacekeeping mission collapsed and swaths of rickety shacks lay in shambles. Clouds of dust thrown up by falling buildings choked Port-au-Prince for hours.

The United States and other nations began organizing aid efforts, alerting search teams and gathering supplies that will be badly needed in Haiti, the Western Hemisphere's poorest country. The international Red Cross and other aid groups announced plans for major relief operations.

The International Federation of the Red Cross estimated that up to 3 million people had been affected. Paul Conneally, a spokesman for the organization, said Haiti was ill-prepared to handle a major disaster and that it would take 24-48 hours before a clear picture emerges of the scale of the destruction.

Associated Press journalists found the damage staggering even for a country long accustomed to tragedy and disaster.

'Haiti needs to pray'
Thousands of buildings were damaged and destroyed throughout the city.

Dozens of aftershocks rattled the city as women covered in dust clawed out of debris, wailing. Stunned people wandered the streets holding hands. Thousands gathered in public squares long after nightfall, singing hymns.

"The hospitals cannot handle all these victims," said Louis-Gerard Gilles, a doctor and former senator, as he helped survivors. "Haiti needs to pray. We all need to pray together."

The quake struck at 4:53 p.m., centered just 10 miles west of Port-au-Prince at a depth of just 5 miles, the U.S. Geological Survey said. USGS geophysicist Kristin Marano called it the strongest earthquake since 1770 in what is now Haiti.

An Associated Press videographer saw a wrecked hospital where people screamed for help in Petionville, a hillside Port-au-Prince district that is home to many diplomats and wealthy Haitians as well as many poor people.

At a collapsed four-story apartment building, a girl of about 16 stood atop a car, trying to peer inside as several men pulled at a foot sticking out in an attempt to extricate the body. She said her family was inside.

"The whole city is in darkness. You have thousands of people sitting in the streets with nowhere to go," said Rachmani Domersant, an operations manager with the Food for the Poor charity.

"People are trying to dig victims out with flashlights," he added. "I think hundreds of casualties would be a serious understatement."

"People are out in the streets, crying, screaming, shouting," Karel Zelenka, director of the Catholic Relief Services office in Haiti, told The Washington Post. "This will be a major, major disaster."

U.N. peacekeepers, most of whom are from Brazil, were trying to rescue survivors from their collapsed five-story headquarters, but U.N. peacekeeping chief Alain Le Roy said late Tuesday that "as we speak no one has been rescued."

"We know there will be casualties but we cannot give figures for the time being," he said.

Peacekeepers killed
Many U.N. personnel were missing, he said, including mission chief Hedi Annabi, who was in the building when the quake struck. Some 9,000 peacekeepers have been in Haiti since a 2004 rebellion ousted the president.

The China Daily newspaper reported that eight Chinese peacekeepers were killed and that 10 others were missing.

Taiwan's Foreign Ministry said its embassy was destroyed and the ambassador hospitalized for undisclosed injuries.

The National Palace crumbled into itself, but Haiti's ambassador to Mexico Robert Manuel said President Rene Preval and his wife survived the earthquake. 

The temblor appeared to have occurred along a strike-slip fault, where one side of a vertical fault slips horizontally past the other, said earthquake expert Tom Jordan at the University of Southern California. The quake's size and proximity to populated Port-au-Prince likely caused widespread casualties and structural damage, he said.

"It's going to be a real killer," he said. "Whenever something like this happens, you just hope for the best."

Most of Haiti's 9 million people are desperately poor, and after years of political instability the country has no real construction standards. In November 2008, following the collapse of a school in Petionville, the mayor of Port-au-Prince estimated about 60 percent of the buildings were shoddily built and unsafe in normal circumstances.

Tuesday's quake was felt in the Dominican Republic, which shares a border with Haiti on the island of Hispaniola, and some panicked residents in the capital of Santo Domingo fled from their shaking homes. But no major damage was reported there. In eastern Cuba, houses shook but there were also no reports of significant damage.

"We felt it very strongly and I would say for a long time. We had time to evacuate," said Monsignor Dionisio Garcia, archbishop of Santiago.

The damage in Haiti, however, was clearly vast.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said in Washington that U.S. Embassy personnel were "literally in the dark" after power failed.

"They reported structures down. They reported a lot of walls down. They did see a number of bodies in the street and on the sidewalk that had been hit by debris. So clearly, there's going to be serious loss of life in this," he said.

The Diocese of Norwich, Connecticut, said at least two Americans working at its Haitian aid mission were believed trapped in rubble.

With phone service erratic, much of the early communication came from social media such as Twitter. Richard Morse, a well-known musician who manages the famed Olafson Hotel, kept up a stream of dispatches on the aftershocks and damage reports. The news, based mostly on second-hand reports and photos, was disturbing, with people screaming in fear and roads blocked with debris. Belair, a slum even in the best of times, was said to be "a broken mess."

"Everybody is just totally, totally freaked out and shaken," said Henry Bahn, a U.S. Department of Agriculture official visiting Port-au-Prince. "The sky is just gray with dust.

Bahn said there were rocks strewn about and he saw a ravine where several homes had stood: "It's just full of collapsed walls and rubble and barbed wire."

In the community of Thomassin, just outside Port-au-Prince, Alain Denis said neighbors told him the only road to the capital had been cut and phones were all dead so it was hard to determine the extent of the damage.

"At this point, everything is a rumor," he said. "It's dark. It's nighttime."

Jocelyn Valcin, a resident of Boynton Beach, Florida, who flew in to Miami International Airport from Port-au-Prince on Tuesday evening, said he was at the airport when the earthquake hit.

"The whole building was cracked down," Valcin said. "The whole outside deteriorated."

'I heard a rumble'
Marie Michel, a nurse from New York, was in Montagne Noir, a mountain suburb south of Port-au-Prince, for a funeral. She said she had heard unconfirmed reports that at least one person was killed when a large supermarket nearby was flattened.

“I heard a rumble, and then the house started to shake — a 5,000-square-foot solid house shook like a leaf,” Michel told NBC News. “I can’t imagine what other people felt.”

“From where I’m standing, it looks like smoke, like a white cloud of smoke, and I’m thinking it’s maybe the dust from buildings collapsing — from shanty houses collapsing. ... We’re still quite shaken.”

Dixie Bickel, who runs two orphanages outside Port-au-Prince with her daughter, Laurie, told NBC News that the earthquake was the worst she had experienced in her 19 years in the country. One of the orphanage buildings, four stories tall, visibly twisted for about 30 seconds, and babies were knocked out of nannies’ arms, she said.

All of the orphanages’ children were accounted for, Bickel said.

Luke Renner, an American humanitarian worker based in the city of Cap-Haitien on the north coast of the island, told NBC News he felt the “whole world shaking.” He said that he thought trees were going to fall down but that there did not appear to be any major structural damage in that city.

Civilian, military assistance
Former President Bill Clinton, the U.N.'s special envoy for Haiti, issued a statement saying his office would do whatever he could to help the nation recover and rebuild.

"My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Haiti," he said.

The United States was sending disaster rescue teams and President Barack Obama said the U.S. stood ready to help Haiti. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said from Honolulu that the U.S. was offering full assistance — civilian and military.

Venezuelan Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro said his government planned to send a military aircraft carrying canned foods, medicine and drinking water and also would dispatch a team of 50 rescue workers.

Mexico, which suffered a devastating earthquake in 1985 that killed some 10,000 people, was sending a team including doctors, search and rescue dogs and infrastructure damage experts, said Salvador Beltran, the undersecretary of foreign relations for Latin America and the Caribbean.

The Red Cross directed $200,000 to immediate assistance, and the Inter-American Development Bank, a Washington-based agency that focuses on Latin America and the Caribbean, said it also would provide $200,000 in immediate aid for food, water, medicine and temporary shelter.

Haitian musician Wyclef Jean urged his fans to donate to earthquake relief efforts: "We must think ahead for the aftershock, the people will need food, medicine, shelter, etc.," Jean said on his Web site.

Eva DeHart at the humanitarian organization For Haiti With Love in Palm Harbor, Florida, said colleagues at the group's base in Cap Haitien reported that northern town was spared damage. But she said damage to government buildings in the capital would make coordinating aid difficult.

In Miami's Little Haiti neighborhood, dozens of people gathered at the Veye-Yo community center, where a pastor led them in prayer. Members embraced each other as they tried to contact relatives back home.

Tony Jeanthenor said he had succeeded in reaching a family friend in Haiti who told of hearing people cry out for help from under debris.

"The level of anxiety is high," Jeanthenor said. "Haiti has been through trauma since 2004, from coup d'etat to hurricanes, now earthquakes."

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DoogleassRestored

I wonder how long it will be before someone says. "Aha! I'll bet it is on account of Global Warming!"

  • 38 votes
#1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:58 PM EST
Bob-809876

I guess I am to late you already had beat me to it. lol! Yes, they just had and earthquake in California now Hatiti! Whats next? Yes, God bless everyone in Haiti!

  • 26 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:07 PM EST
steadydeclineExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I never understood how Christians can command their god to bless people.

  • 45 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:29 PM EST
Stacy1128

LOL Doog.

steadydecline...it's just a nice thing to say and hear. It isn't commanding God to do anything.

  • 50 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:34 PM EST
DREW@HOOD.MILRestored

I again, have nothing but heart felt sorrow for those poor Haitians. But I always beg the question, of, why? Why do they continue to live like that? Why do they reproduce, when they cannot feed themselves? Why do they build their buildings out of garbage, and live in their garbage and sewage, and bathe, drink, and.......I personally do not have children, and, look around here in the States, and I see obese kids with their parents in the grocery store, and think to myself----If that was my kid, you would not be like that. At the first sight of inactivity, we're going to get you on a good diet and active, and I'm gonna take care of you. And in Haiti, Port au Prince is a city built for 50K, yet there are 10M. WTF are they having kids for? Is not sharing the misery with the ones they are with, not enough? God help us all!

  • 89 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:03 PM EST
ExhaustedSpark-1257395Deleted
Rhazes

Drew@Hood.Mil

If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it will be done for us by nature, brutally and without pity - and will leave a ravaged world. Nobel Laureate Dr. Henry W. Kendall

  • 99 votes
#1.6 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:17 PM EST
steadydeclineExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Lets see here..

Are you a god? No.

Are you mortal? Yes.

Hmm, it appears you do not have the power to command a god to do ANYTHING, no matter how many magical Chinese techno-widgets you have purchased at Wal*Mart. That's all I am saying. You can't command a god to "Bless so-and-so." You can ask! But command, you don't have the power.

  • 26 votes
#1.7 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:04 PM EST
MrFrost

A real tragedy; hope the lost are few, recovery is quick, and closure for survivors of lost loved ones is quick.

  • 25 votes
#1.8 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:09 PM EST
chris-1399438Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

ExhaustedSpark-1257395

Most Americans are atheists/agnostic.

Christians help the poor only because they believe they'll go to heaven for it.

  • 31 votes
#1.9 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:26 PM EST
radar015

The previous administration is against condoms, birth control and abortion. They cut off aid to countries that needed these things to cut down their population. China's policies in this regard were greatly condemned by our government. But China slowed down their population growth and they wouldn't have achieved their progress had they not done that. China is aiming to keep its population where it is or bring it down lower with the two chilren rule where couples are not allowed to have more than two. Even countries like Haiti could progress if they could manage their population numbers. The land has been ravaged beyond repair to the point where all their forests are gone. They used them all up to produce charcoal and the top soil because there are no trees is being flushed into the sea. The ocean around Haiti isn't blue anymore, it's brown.

  • 58 votes
#1.10 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:37 PM EST
ourthoughtsarefreeExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

#1 Right Now!!

Drat that Global Warming Curse.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:42 PM EST
Meagan AdamsDeleted
TycironiDeleted
craig speakman

I suspect that we'll be seeing alot more Haitians trying to get to Miami by rafts throughout the year. The Coast Guard will have its work cut out for them trying to stem the flow now that Haitians have to contend with earthquakes as well as hurricanes. They didn't rush to come to Miami after the three hurricanes that hit the island last year because hurricanes can also hit Miami.

But if you have ever lived through a major earthquake, it will only take one to convince you to move. I have experienced both, and I will take a 5 day headstart on a major hurricane over the split second horror of a major earthquake anyday.

  • 23 votes
#1.14 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:17 PM EST
mike-637267

With all these dead people, we have jerks saying LOL and discussing who tells God to do what? Are there any decent people left in the world?

  • 119 votes
#1.15 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:31 PM EST
boldfresh

Condolences to all those lost and their families.

I visited Haiti in 1996. This nation was being held together by hope back then, this will devastate it.

  • 31 votes
#1.16 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:32 PM EST
protoolrobotExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Re: most people (ie. athiests) won't

Um Meagan? People (yes even atheists) help people because it is morally the right thing to do. You don't need God (or gods) to have a moral compass. I would say most of the sins committed by supposed children of God (shady TV Ministers, Righteous God Fearing politicians) are done because God is their crutch...

Not to turn this into a God vs. No God debate - because its trivial when their are suffering people all over the world (with attention on Haiti ATM) but to say atheists do not care and will not help is not very bright.

  • 57 votes
#1.17 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:36 PM EST
David in Kenosha WIDeleted
teresa7463Restored

Our government should help only if we have the funds to do so......and we do not have the funds!!!! Suppose we will just borrow a few million tax payer dollars that we don't have, or maybe China will give us a big fat loan so we can send millions with USA attached to it. The only money the US should be sending them is from individuals who WANT to contribute to the cause. Otherwise the US government needs to keep there hands in their pockets and out of ours.

  • 33 votes
#1.19 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:14 AM EST
rudy-361417

I wonder how long it will be before someone says. "Aha! I'll bet it is on account of Global Warming!"

I suppose in light of this tragedy, you can't help but make a political dig, instead of making a comment of compassion. Sick! Just because you're so bloody miserable, you feel you have to come here and share.

  • 42 votes
#1.20 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:22 AM EST
chris-1189701

The response is due to governments lying day in and day out to the public. People are right to complain, we had 12 devastating hurricanes in Florida in 2 years and neither the gov nor the press even commented. They had one in New Orleans a town full of welfare recipients and the media condemned an administration for years after they were given over 100 billion dollars in aid and are still flat on there ass. The current disaster in Haiti is sad but the inability of there government to respond is not this countries responsibility. We have 1 in 7 people in this country hungry right now and if we donot get our act together, we will be just like Haiti or our state of California. Charity begins at home, we all have compassion, but we can't afford to send aid anymore to anybody.

  • 30 votes
#1.21 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:58 AM EST
sovereign man

Chris 1399438

You say most people are atheist or agnostic.

Wonder where you get your info. The stats say differently...see link

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=707

So....It's funny how people turn a tragedy into a cause to bash Christians or a religious thing, it's sad really.

Someone says God bless those in peril and some disrespectful person condemns them for it.

What is wrong with you people? Your mothers not pay enough attention to you when you were little?

It is not one who commands God saying bless them, it's a simple request or statement such as pray for me or I'll pray for you. OR it's simply a kind thing to say to someone in need.

Why would one go out of their way to negatively comment on a kind remark like God bless those in Haiti?

The reason why we have such a dark era in the US now is because of the lack of respect and the lack of God in our society.

If people would get back to the golden rule things may indeed change.

Try this attitude instead of the attitude of screw you I got mine.

Everyone's life may be a bit brighter.

GOD BLESS THOSE IN HAITI, I WILL PRAY FOR THEM.

And no matter how they live, they are indeed human beings with souls. They deserve to be helped.

Make a donation to the Red Cross, a Christian organization.

  • 44 votes
#1.22 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:05 AM EST
OomYaaqubDeleted
Ix chel

Oom, they don´t make the connection that if you don´t have enough money for food you surely don´t have enough money for BIRTH CONTROL.

  • 22 votes
#1.24 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:35 AM EST
Marshall James

my thoughts are with the haitians. horrible tragedy. that said their government is at fault for many of the deaths.....no not because they dont have regulations...but because of the corruption and lack of compassion and vision of a future for their fellow countryman. may the people of haiti build their country back up stronger than before and maybe take a different path on the future of that country.

  • 13 votes
#1.25 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:41 AM EST
Sherri-272343Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

lx chel.....ever hear of abstaining?

  • 22 votes
#1.26 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:42 AM EST
Doug-384925

Are the various U.S. earthquake teams of helicopters, construction equipment, rescue dogs, medical personnel, supplies, etc. organized and leaving right now for Haiti.

It is so frustrating when 10 days from now we all celebrate when we find a live person trapped in the rubble. That person and hundreds of others could have been saved by prompt action by U.S. earthquake teams.

  • 11 votes
#1.27 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:23 AM EST
aquatoneDeleted
1sloPR5

My heart goes out to all those in Haiti and the US with family there.

  • 24 votes
#1.29 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:48 AM EST
tangojones

Most Americans are atheists/agnostic.

That's probably your bitter wishful thinking talking. Actually, 79% of Americans self-identify as Christians. And they are the first to help - and give in the greatest numbers. And they'll be there helping the poor Haitians. So, you're dead wrong.

  • 30 votes
#1.30 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:27 AM EST
Bob Lomborski

We definitely should help out the Hatians. Quit being so selfish, why do you think most everybody hates us? These people need are help NOW!

  • 25 votes
#1.31 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:42 AM EST
schwannomin

lx chel.....ever hear of abstaining?

Sherri, I can't go a week abstaining. I couldn't imagine going an entire life. If that's what you're doing, it must be a miserable existence....and it doesn't matter anyway. Whether there are 50 million in Haiti or 50 thousand, the devastation will be enormous for all involved. Caribbean countries don't build cities to withstand an earthquake even if they have money. Earthquakes a just too rare.

  • 17 votes
#1.32 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:00 AM EST
akfortytexan

I never understood how Christians can command their god to bless people.

This is the problem with atheists. Its not that they dont believe in God, its that they hate God. For example, I dont belive in unicorns, but I dont go around shoving it down everyones throat and being confrontational about it. See what Im getting at?

My thoughts and prayers are with the Haitians. My heart is with all those who have lost family, friends, and their homes. Bless you all.

  • 33 votes
#1.33 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:10 AM EST
EZPikins

I'm an atheist and I will help the Haitians. You don't need a god to make good moral decisions. My wife is christian and I respect her right to believe even though I think it's a waste of time and effort. This is america and we all have the right to believe what we want and use our time and energy for what we want. I would never denounce a christian for what they believe, but I do take issue with them trying to shove their beliefs down my throat, and have. Most of you name-calling christians and atheists should read some history and get some therapy, you cannot change people's beliefs with acrimony.

  • 28 votes
#1.34 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:44 AM EST
FedUp-1094255

Amen! More of my atheist friends give to charity than my Christian friends. More of my atheist friends Care about other people (inc. their civil rights) than my Christian friends. That's the fact. As for "hating God," akfortytexan, you said it yourself -you don't hate unicorns because they aren't real, so why would someone Hate God when they don't believe it exists? Also, why is it wrong to "shove it (unicorns) down someone else's throat, yet i can't go five minutes without some santimonious "Christian" trying to do the same to me about God? Lovin' that hypocrisy. No, actually, That's what i hate.

  • 24 votes
#1.35 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:24 PM EST
akfortytexan

you don't hate unicorns because they aren't real, so why would someone Hate God when they don't believe it exists?

Thats a good question! How come everytime God is a subject on here all I read about are people talking down on Christians and Christianity? If you dont believe in God why do you come here and bash those that do? Read these comments. Not one Chritian came here and started critisizing athiest and their beliefs. They didnt even think to bring them up. But the first thing the atheist did on here was start bashing Chritians and God. Its the second post I think.

But I think you missed what I was saying. I dont believe in unicorns and I leave it at that. I dont go around writing books about not believing in them, giving conferences on it, and bashing everyone that does. Which is what atheist do. So to me it seems there is a deep seeded hatred and intolerance for God and God loving people, not just a disbelief. Not all atheist of course, I hate generalizing people, but ALOT.

Also, why is it wrong to "shove it (unicorns) down someone else's throat, yet i can't go five minutes without some santimonious "Christian" trying to do the same to me about God?

Its wrong to shove your beliefs down anyones throat be it God or unicorns. I for one very rarely have people try and shove Christianity down my throat save for my mother. What I dont see is Christians bashing atheists every chance they get, while every time I read the vine some atheist is blaming Christians for all the worlds ills. The fact is that bad and good is human nature and it isnt due to Christianity or atheism.

  • 21 votes
#1.36 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:54 PM EST
akfortytexan

I heard on the radio you can donate to the relief effort at whitehouse .gov

  • 4 votes
#1.37 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:16 PM EST
schwannomin

If you text "Haiti" to 90999, a $10 donation goes to the Red Cross relief effort for Haiti.

  • 5 votes
#1.38 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:36 PM EST
tylerRestored

I wonder how long it will be before someone says. "Aha! I'll bet it is on account of Global Warming!"

Saying 'I wonder how long it is before [off-topic discussion] begins is beginning an off-topic discussion, Doogleass.

1 restored for clarity but if you do this again you're suspended.

  • 28 votes
#1.39 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:22 PM EST
boog a loo 22Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The tragedy is in Haiti, but leave it to obama to try to take center stage with a news conference.

  • 13 votes
#1.40 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:28 PM EST
LimprichardExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Gore and his Goof Troop are working on that to extort more millions as we speak just as soon as they get done smoking that Dooby to collect their wisdom as to that effect

  • 7 votes
#1.41 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:30 PM EST
Are you awake yet?

Megan Adams, I take offense to your generalization that only christians help people and using this forum to stab at those who do not believe as you do. I'm an athiest and the difference between the help given between me and you as that I don't tell them they need to believe in a false "god" in order to recieve aid from me. Christians are notorious for telling people in need that they have to believe in god to get help from them. The rest of us just give it because it's the HUMAN thing to do.

akfortytexan, as an athiest with a practicing christian wife and kids, I don't take offense when christians start talking about god (Frankly, I really don't care). Only, like megan did in post 1.12, when they don't give me the same respect do I say something about the christian mindset.

This earthquake is just another example of the fact that man does NOT have the control over the planet that he would believe. The earth will always win and we just have to go with whatever happens. (for the unenlightened, earthquakes are caused by tectonic plate shifting, not some "god") I'm all for sending aid to Haiti. This is a much better than what the govt has been wasting money on for the past 2 years.

  • 20 votes
#1.42 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:34 PM EST
jlang-342776

DREW@HOOD.MIL

I visited Haiti in the early 60s during my Navy service in Puerto Rico. you could go there

on routine mail flights with a bag full of old shoes, and barter for all kinds of goods. nothing has changed in all these years. except now for awhile there will be all kinds of goods coming in. there will be pilfering small riots money laundering and in the end it will be business as usual everything will go back to the same old routine poverty and despair. And what exactly have all these Churches that routinely claim they are helping the people in Haiti done???

  • 13 votes
#1.43 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:37 PM EST
akfortytexan

And what exactly have all these Churches that routinely claim they are helping the people in Haiti done???

... or governments? Or people typing here on newsvine? Nobody has done sh**. But to focus on chruches is exactly what im talking about above.

  • 5 votes
#1.44 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:43 PM EST
ibinsanediego

I hope they enact some building codes after this is cleaned up.

  • 6 votes
#1.45 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:44 PM EST
LoudMouth

Sooooo many American's still walking in the dark....Why don't some of you bitter people try picking up a bible and stepping into a church instead of criticizing believers in Christ?

  • 19 votes
#1.46 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:45 PM EST
Hope-295312

Send a few bucks to help out. I'm sitting in front of my computer, in a cozy room, with drinking water, some food, myriad blessings. I'm not even close to "rich" but I will send a fiver today (it's already in the envelope) to CARE.

I don't understand the harsh comments above. Were your town to suddenly get blown to bits by a tornado, hurricane or tsunami how would you begin to rebuild? Where would you get the resources without aid from others? Haiti has long been without many resources so they're in dire straights now. Rather than complain about their birthrate or building codes, let's help get the injured some medical care, some orphaned kids a shelter, bury the dead.

Five American dollars goes a long way. Please help if you can. Many of you could do much more - so go for it!

Haiti is so wrecked now that they won't be able to pull through without a little help.

  • 46 votes
#1.47 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:51 PM EST
Keith D. Smith

To Loud Mouth

A good and merciful God would condemn anyone 'picking up a bible and stepping into a church...', when thay same God gave each one of us basic intelligence to know how to help where help is needed. That goes for someone you see stranded on the side of a road or millions in a city and a country you have never visited or even know exactly where it is at. I'm appauled at the so called "christians" here talking about birth control and abstainance and blaming the plight the the haitian people on the people of haiti. 80% of haitians live on $2 a day or less; that kind of heartless individual would deny them any help?

  • 10 votes
#1.48 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:17 PM EST
Fazool-555369

I would like one of those who profess to believe in God (any god will do) to explain to me (seriously) how you continue to believe? I would also like that person to explain why things like this do not shake your belief. I am not trying to slam you here, I am honestly trying to get some insight into why people continue to believe in a supposedly loving god who allows the kind of wholesale death and destruction that happened in Haiti to occur. Anyone?

  • 4 votes
#1.49 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:24 PM EST
akfortytexan

I would like one of those who profess to believe in God (any god will do) to explain to me (seriously) how you continue to believe?

I just do. I pray to someone at night. There is someone I thank when somehow my life avoids some drastic, life altering event for the worse. I just dont believe that this is the end, that its lights out. I believe in our souls. I do not however, believe in religions. I dont have anything against them. I do believe in their moral code.

I would also like that person to explain why things like this do not shake your belief.

Why this dosent? Its plate tectonics. They move, the earth shakes and things fall down. It nature. The same plate tectonics gave rise to the oceans and land masses that sustain all the life on earth. How would that shake a belief in God?

I am not trying to slam you here, I am honestly trying to get some insight into why people continue to believe in a supposedly loving god who allows the kind of wholesale death and destruction that happened in Haiti to occur. Anyone?

How is this death different than any other? Everything dies. From stars to bacteria. Its tragic and massive and unexpected but it is how things work. How can something that is the only guarantee shake the foundation of faith?

  • 9 votes
#1.50 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:40 PM EST
stageleft

First comment, first jackass. Nice going Doogle"ass".

  • 9 votes
#1.51 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:46 PM EST
Get The Point

First comment, first jackass. Nice going Doogle"ass".

here here. how ugly can these people get.

  • 6 votes
#1.52 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:54 PM EST
EJCanavan

In response to the above comment:
"Haiti has long been without many resources so they're in dire straights now."

There is no serious policy or accountability on how projects on a national level are working out. Haiti’s in such a bad situation, especially after the hurricanes, and the state is seemingly unconcerned or not eager to address the problems. You have a lot of international agencies and donors carrying out projects, but there is no sense of what is happening to the money.

This country has recieved so much money in aid it's not even funny over the last 20 years.
Canada 2.3 million

"World Vision, which is distributing $80 million of U.S. aid in Haiti over five years, says it is trying to raise private donations to buy more food and will distribute seeds and tools in the countryside, where the poverty is most extreme."

"Venezuela and Cuba announced a US$1 billion fund to develop energy, health, and infrastructure in Haiti."

The United States pledged US$230 million in aid through fiscal year 2006.

  • 5 votes
#1.53 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:57 PM EST
Ix chel

That would be because they have been devastated by several disasters and the US has an embargo against them so they cannot get loans.

  • 4 votes
#1.54 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:03 PM EST
G. H.

All of you complainers, pay attention:

If you are a member of newsvine, they have articles on how to donate your newsvine earnings. It is on the front page of top news, or contact calvin.

Thank you. ♥

  • 3 votes
#1.55 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:09 PM EST
Shanna-1560729

How long? You mean how many times it's been said already!! That's the scoop!

    #1.56 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:17 PM EST
    Hawaii2

    What a travesty.

    Will America have enough money to help the Haitians? Put them in Guantamo Bay--more ammunition for the Terrorists to recruit. They are also talking about building refugee camps on the Bay. This is not a good idea.

    One doesn't have to Christian to mourn for all the loss the Haitian people have suffered. We are a multi religiious country. The jabs at Christians is cheezy and shows no compassion for anyone, especially the people who are barking about this on the board.

    AIDS will be a huge problem to deal with in Haiti. It is one of the largest areas, having this disease.

    The Red Cross, Salvation Army, our donations if possible will help. Please keep these people and families in your heart and help out in any way possible.

    • 6 votes
    #1.57 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:26 PM EST
    Rodney-1111620

    Very sad, I wish them the best. Also very sad that because of reckless US spending we have no funds to help. All costs associated with our involvement in rescue and recovery will be borrowed, further increasing our debt.

    I just wonder who will rescue us when the US financial system collapses because of unsustainable debt, when the Social Security checks, food stamps, etc. stop and plunge this nation into chaos.

    US 300 Million

    Haiti 9.5 Million

    The destruction caused by the collapse of the US economy will make the quake in Haiti pale by comparison.

    Borrow, borrow, borrow Mr. Obama and spend as if you have not a care in the world. I suppose we will wait for a few days to hear Sec. of State Clinton tell us how much this will cost us....

    • 5 votes
    #1.58 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:29 PM EST
    PhlanExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Will you people stop worrying about this Haiti Crap!?!?! Jesus Christ!!!

    Don't you know that Kate Gosselin to get new reality show ?

    • 1 vote
    #1.59 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:41 PM EST
    EJCanavan

    "That would be because they have been devastated by several disasters and the US has an embargo against them so they cannot get loans."

    That's not true. That only held until 2006. This happened because the loans the country took couldn"t or wouldn"t be paid back. At every disaster the world has come together to see them through it. This will be no different. We will exhaust every last penny saving everyone else, but who is gonna save us when it comes to a head ? This country needs to figure out how to function within a government structure and stop counting on the world to bail them out. How a country with this much aid and support still be the poorest country in the world is beyond me.

    I feel genuine sadness and compassion for this entire country, but they sure have made no effort to make it better. My heart goes out to all those lost and those that may never be found.

    • 8 votes
    #1.60 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:25 PM EST
    jpfs52

    The world has ignored the misery of the Haitians for too long; maybe this will be an opportunity to show them some real compassion.

    • 7 votes
    #1.61 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:32 PM EST
    lilbear68

    a god, we dont command our got we ask

    • 1 vote
    #1.62 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:50 PM EST
    exjock48

    People and country's give aid..corrupt government's steal "said" aid..it never makes it to the people who need aid.

    It happens all over the world!

    • 3 votes
    #1.63 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:50 PM EST
    GroverJimExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Thanks, you and a flock of others have given proof that the US is a vile racist country.

    I can direct doubters to these threads and watch the blood drain from their face when they read the hundreds of evil comments.

    I literally couldn't convey what you have just done. Seriously, thanks.

    You have done a great service to advance the causes of all African descendants across the planet.

    • 7 votes
    #1.64 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:37 PM EST
    Darrell-1561159

    Re-focus to take the time to rally citizen support for aid in Haiti.

    There are some Americans who are stopping to take the time to help in any way they can, some with more capability than others. I just spoke to a close friend of mine, James L. Clark, (former Military) is taking up the call to use his vast military, police and medical training to personally go to Haiti to help. He is doing this on his own dime, with the help of donations.

    Mr. Clark was a tremendous help in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, working with local police, military units and Fox News Correspondent, Shepard Smith; he was later recognized with a Hero Award on national television.

    As I said, we all help how we can; I am petitioning for financial help for Mr. Clark, who is gathering supplies to leave within the next 24 hours to once again put himself in harm's way for the sake of others (instead of waiting for policy makers to determine which action will help or hurt their public image). Any way that the audience can help now and in the coming weeks would be much appreciated.

    Thank you,

    Darrell
    in Sacramento

    How We Can Help:

    www. jameslclark.com

    (click on "DONATE - HAITI RESCUE - MEDIC ON A MISSION")

    http://www.jameslclark.com/help-raise-funds-going-to-haiti/

    Donations to: paypal@jameslclark.com

    or click link: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=11150941

    JAMES L. CLARK

    Hero Awards http://www.youtube.com/jameslclarkdotcom#p/u/12/6VqvLXVOEyY

    Service in New Orleans

    http://www.jameslclark.com/katrina/

    • 1 vote
    #1.65 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:50 PM EST
    TheHardTruthExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Every time i hear a christian say i will pray for you, I know underneath it all, deep in their dark secret love, they are actually wishing nonbelievers into eternal hell.

    The reason why this blog has turned into a religion bashing event besides alot of people are fed up with religious oppression and intolerance, is because the biblical god, is a god of reward and punishment and turns life into a game...and you beleivers all think this is such a wonderful thing. Also, in that book (the bible), he caused many earthquakes to settle scores. This is all a wonderful thing too. Anywho, when something like this earthquake that demolishes the poorest country in the world, and adds an infinite amount of suffering to suffering to suffering...

    The thing is - god doesn't play games with human lives, or write books for us to worship. He made the universe and the earth and this thing called reality.
    Religions cant handle reality, it's an escape. With all that god has created, still all those greedy religions want more. Religion is nothing more than vanity. Vanity feeding vanity. A vain god demanding worship. Do you really think god put you on the earth to worship him, she, it, ect?

    So you religious people impose your own vanity upon a very real human event of suffering such as this earthquake. And by doing this, you feel all god-like, superior and compassionate and all that. But truly, by imposing your religion into a human events, you feel you have earned (deserve) more points with the "Big Score Keeper in the Sky." Because above all things, the main thing you are concerned with is not human suffering, but your reward of eternal heaven. And everyone else can go to Hell.

    • 8 votes
    #1.66 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:38 PM EST
    Brooklyn BoxerDeleted
    Michael-302807

    We all feel very sad for the good people of Haiti and my family is contributing financially.

    However I fear for the survivors as well as the victims. Haiti is well know for it's sexual abuse of women and children. Now that there is basically no government or enforcement to even slightly protect them. There will be atrocities beyond the wildest events that have already occurred even before until this terrible catastrophe.

    Those of you that talk about "gods" : Ignorance. If there were a "god" this kind of thing would not happen, especially not to helpless people like those in Haiti.

    • 4 votes
    #1.68 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:23 PM EST
    CJ-613345

    Sovereign man

    I agree with your observation that cricizing those who make a simple statement such as 'I'll pray for them' is petty. I think a better statement would be 'my hopes go out to them' since that does not validate the notion that through invocation any imaginary friend is going to come to anyone's aid now or ever. we will have to help each other.

    However, the rest of your post in nonsense.

    I will not get too much into arguing how one determines who is an 'atheist'. In a sense we all are. You are an atheist with respect to the muslim god. They are atheistic with respect to the Christian one, they certainly do not believe in the divinity of christ. We, or the vast majority, are atheistic with respect to Zeus or Thor. Those who believe in no supernatural intervening force are about 15% of the population.

    Which brings me to the second point. Your absurd claim that the reason we are in a 'dark time' is due to the lack of god in our society. What country do you live in? We are the most ardently religious country in the developed western world. We have had a born again christian as president for 8 of the last 9 years. We have had serious presidential candidates on televised debates that think the world is 6000 yrs old. You and the rest of the believers have had the run of the place so don't sell us this trite crap about being victimized and silenced.

    And then you statement about making a donation to the Red Cross because it is a Christian organization. I agree that people should make a donation, but you are wrong that it is a Christian organization. It is a neutral one and it states so right on its mission statement that you clearly did not take the time to read. It states explicitly that it does not prosteltyze or make any reference to race, religion or creed. You cannot find the term christ or christianity or 'christian works' anywhere on its site. You just made it up.

    And Meagan Adams, you are also in delusion land. Among the most involved charities in Haiti are completely secular - including Doctors Without Borders and CARE. They help for the best reason of all - they simply recognize those people are human, capable of suffering, expect no reward now or ever, but want to relieve suffering. How many could be helped by those good christian white upper middle class families whose children go to Notre Dame if they went instead to a public school and used the difference to help third world causes? 2009 yearly tuition for an undergrad at ND? over $38,000. Amen.

    • 5 votes
    #1.69 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:44 PM EST
    hmwallace

    protoolrobot

    I agree with your post until your comment in regards to the sins being due to the fact that God is their crutch. For starters, the idea that the Christian God is a crutch to people is a common misconception. Lastly, the people you mentioned (shady tv ministers etc) do it for personal agendas and personal gain. They are not doing it because God is their crutch. I'm almost willing to bet they don't even follow God.

      #1.70 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:12 PM EST
      jewfishcreekDeleted
      Bob Randall-1218482

      “And in Haiti, Port au Prince is a city built for 50K, yet there are 10M.”

      Not accurate. The population of the entire country is about 8.3M. The capital has about 2M.

      That they should quit spawning is a given, as with most 3rd world countries that can’t fend for themselves.

      “If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it will be done for us by nature, brutally and without pity - and will leave a ravaged world.”

      My vote is for nature.

      “The previous administration is against condoms, birth control and abortion.”

      Didn’t take long to blame Bush for overpopulation in third world countries. And abortion isn’t birth control. It is a cover-up for idiots who haven’t figured out how not to make babies they don’t want. Oh ya, always blame it on the guy, but it takes 2 to tango.

      “We definitely should help out the Hatians. Quit being so selfish, why do you think most everybody hates us? These people need are help NOW!

      Who is we? I pay taxes and support charities of my choice, taxes not being one of them. However, WE (America) were the first to jump in to help thru taxes and charity as we are in virtually all disasters of this kind around the world. So, what is it you are doing?

      BTW, I am an atheist and get pretty tired of other atheists kicking Christians who do more to help people in need than any group I know and without robbing government coffers. If you want to kick a religion, kick the moslems as they don’t give a ratsass about anyone who isn’t moslem. And some still defend them and support their quest to turn the world moslem thru violence.

      As for global warming caused by humans, that is a very expensive joke the UN is playing on its believers.

      • 11 votes
      #1.72 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:25 PM EST
      jewfishcreekDeleted
      bsbfankaren

      AIDS? Really, AIDS? What about diptheria, typhus, TB? There are an entire host of diseases that have the possibility of running rampant in a place where there is no proper sanitation, nor running water.

      Hawaii2, I spend time on these boards having fun at your expense, but today, I simply ask that you take a moment and think about what you are saying. Please.

      To my knowledge I have known but one person from Haiti, and the last I heard from her was a few months ago, and she was in New York. Her name is Pascale, and I pray that she is well, and that her family is as well.

      God bless all those who have family in Haiti. I cannot imagine your pain as you wait to hear from them, and I pray that you have someone near by to help you through this difficult time.

      • 4 votes
      #1.74 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:34 PM EST
      bsbfankaren

      By the way, I twice applied to a company that is local to the Seattle area and manufactures/sells portable buildings. Large buildings that are often used to house military personnel as the buildings are easy to put up and take down. This company donated these structures to Thailand after the sunami, but sold these same buildings to the US Gov't after Hurricaine Katrina.

      Although I will not name the company, I wonder if they will donate these structures to help those in Haiti who will likely be without liveable housing for many months to come, or if they will sell the buildings to an aid organization, or even the US Gov't's USAID?

      Just a thought.

      • 2 votes
      #1.75 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:43 PM EST
      Steelgator7Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      You ignorant icehole....jewfish,,,,,,there is no god...there is no santa claus, or easter bunny, or Paul Bunyan, etc....they're all just tales told by men to explain the unknown, all of which has been disproved by science and facts. So to wish tragedy on the poor and unfortunate because you believe your fake god is better than their fake god....well now that's just a godless act on your part. I feel sorry for these basically hard working good hearted people, who live in poverty, who is target one for hurricanes and now a horrific natural disaster earthquake. Instead of showing your ignorance show your compassion and write a check, you pig.

      • 2 votes
      #1.76 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:44 PM EST
      Gwaarin

      As many as 100,000 people dead and half the people here are fighting about religion??

      We need to stop this bickering. Please, step back and take a look at the big picture. This isn't about us and our beliefs, this is about people, our fellow human beings in great need and despair.

      I hope that shelters, food, water, and medical care can get set up fast enough so that any further deaths will be minimal.

      The people of Haiti are at the forefront of my thoughts.

      • 18 votes
      #1.77 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:35 PM EST
      sicken

      God bless all those who have stepped up to help these poor people. What I have found appalling and disgraceful is Fox news this evening. Still shoveling their crap about our President, do they not have any remorse at all? In this time of need for the Haiti people you think they could show some humanity, but no not Fox news they have elected to continue on their slander and propaganda, while the REAL news channels are trying to report what is going on and helping people in their time of need. Shame on Fox news!

      • 8 votes
      #1.78 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:50 PM EST
      CJ-613345

      Jewfishcreek

      80% of Haiti is Roman Catholic. You can look it up. In fact that bit of knowledge is made readily apparent every 15 to 30 minutes or so on every news station. Maybe god doesnt take a very kind look at that, perhaps? And the 200,000 plus humans destroyed in the Idian Ocean tsunami of '04 were largely muslim. And we all know through history that the Jewish have never had any thing bad happen to them.

      There is no hatred here. It is just looking at the world honestly. The explanation for such tragedies is the movement of tectonic plates which does not know or care if humans live above them. That is not especially consoling, but it describes the world we live in better than anything else. It should also inspire us to act more charitably. One could read your post and easily conclude your utter disdain for those poor people. After all, they must have 'deserved it'. Read a book and get out of the Iron Age. In fact, read several.

      And if people are looking to donate - CARE, American Refugee Commitee, Unicef, and the Red Cross are all excellent choices.

      • 6 votes
      #1.79 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:09 AM EST
      Bob Randall-1218482

      "80% of Haiti is Roman Catholic."

      And half of the population practices voodoo.

      https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ha.html

      • 4 votes
      #1.80 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:46 AM EST
      sovereign man

      WOW CJ

      You are full of stats are you not, and a bit of hate as well?

      Very stereotypical I feel.

      Perhaps you feel that a world without GOD would be a much better place. Perhaps you feel you are entitled to something as well.

      You ever had that little voice inside that tells you that you should or should not do something?

      Perhaps you feel a benign comment would be more appropriate "my hopes go out to you". One day maybe people will be put in jail or fined for saying GOD BLESS, I'LL PRAY FOR YOU or GOD BE WITH YOU. If someone said that you, would you feel offended? Would you feel your rights were violated? Would it really ruin your day?

      CJ says:

      "How many could be helped by those good christian white upper middle class families whose children go to Notre Dame if they went instead to a public school and used the difference to help third world causes? 2009 yearly tuition for an undergrad at ND? over $38,000. Amen".

      So..It sound like your racist against white or Christian white people and feel slighted that some white family can afford to send their kid to school at ND. Did you ever think that the reason why they are prosperous is because they gave their lives to Christ? Maybe they give a 10% tithe to the church. Perhaps GOD HAS BLESSED THEM.

      Maybe it is just fate..you know.. what comes around goes around....They lived by the golden rule and have morals in accordance with GODS LAW.

      Maybe if you had a different set of values in your life GOD WOULD BLESS YOU. Then you could send your kid to ND like all the rich white Christians.

      Or do you think you are entitled to something, sunshine?

      • 3 votes
      #1.81 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:34 AM EST
      CJ-613345

      sovereign man

      I am not saying that a world without god would be a better place. I am saying the world without a god is the world you are in. And let's be clear, this is not the 'god is the universe' or 'god is love' or other various nebulous and often popular 're-interpretations'. The god of the bible, who can hear prayer and be proptitiated to act in this world through supernatural means (as was done often in the old and new testaments) and has personal relationships with humans is the fictional god I am talking about.

      That voice inside your head? Telling you to do or not do something? Its just you. Always has been.

      And Jesus did not preach a '10% tithe' to the church. He preached total poverty as he did in the parable of the young man (Matthew 19:21). And again in Mark 10:25 'It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.' No where in the bible is Jesus message one of prosperity so long as you give your 10% to the church. In fact, he, like most apocolyptisists (John the baptist was another) felt the world was going to end within their lifetimes or those of their listeners. See Mark Chapter 9 verse 1. And again in Matthew at his trial to the high priest 'and you shall see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of power.' The world did not end. So like every prophecy that turns out wrong, the adherents change the original prophecy.

      Your sad notion of wealth being a christian value comes only at the expense of ignoring the actual teachings of the person/deity you claim to revere.

      And as to why certain cultures prospered more than others is a fascinating question. If you wish to read a serious book on the subject I suggest Jared Diamond's 'Guns, Germs and Steel.' And you will see that the seeds of rise in power of culture go back long before any of the desert monotheisms breathed their first breath.

      And I am not racist against white christians. I was raised a white christian. What I hate is that a great many christians, white or otherwise, do not know where there beliefs come from. Or who talk of charity and the need to be generous to the poor but will not give up their vacations, big SUVs, etc. Who subsitute ceremony for actual good works. My mother took me to hear the story of the good samaritan countless times. The world would have been better off if we went just one weekend to help Habitat for Humanity.

      If you want to examine more about where your beliefs came from and why they are views held by ancient humans at the very beginnings of civilization and language then I suggest Bart Ehrman's 'Misquoting Jesus' and 'Jesus Interrupted'. Or you could go to seminary school and learn the same thing.

      However, you do not strike me as the scholarly type.

      • 4 votes
      #1.82 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:41 AM EST
      sovereign man

      You may be right, I am not the seminary scholarly type. More of a physics of aerodynamics type.

      But then I am one of those white Christian men who tithe 10% to the church and can afford to send both kids to ND.

      Sounds like the loss you had in your life and your hate will be your undoing.

      I am quite certain where my faith comes from.

      Are you?

      Christ did not speak of 10%. The Tithe is spoke of in the old testament not new, as reference to Christ's teachings. Numbers 18:26.

      As for my sad notion of wealth from Christianity, you are wrong.

      In a realistic sense, if one would cheat, lie and pillage to gain power and wealth one will be subject to their own immorality. Yet people do not see this.

      One may gain wealth and power being evil but at what cost?

      One may gain wealth and power not only monetary but spiritually by moral means.

      So who is more righteous of a person. Who is more respected not feared?

      Giving up worldly possessions makes a Christian more of a Christian?

      You hate the fact that some Christians have an SUV and they should give it to someone who does not have one. Perhaps sell it to feed the rest of the world?

      Really....this is why you hate Christians?

      You know Christians who have something that you do not?

      You think you are entitled to more in life? You have a sad notion that you are entitled and that Christians should not have any possessions?

      Some Christians have no possessions...they are still Christians. I had nothing when I was young. I was a Christian then just as now.

      Christ teaching total poverty...in reference to long suffering...You need to read up.

      Wealth fosters greed, greed fosters power, power fosters corruption. This is where we are today. So.. yes It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. That is written but it's also common sense.

      Bart Ehrman was a very poor historian. Also he has a very complex question with a simple answer.

      Why do we suffer?

      Answer is simple.

      Free will.

      • 6 votes
      #1.83 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:46 AM EST
      sovereign man

      Gwaarin

      Sorry, you are indeed correct. I will not post any more in reference to issues not pertaining to this thread.

      Again, I am sorry.

      • 2 votes
      #1.84 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:52 AM EST
      CJ-613345

      sovereign man

      Your frantic little mind does love question marks, doesnt it? Sadly, it does not love logical argument. Nor valid examples.

      I present to you several examples that come from the gospels themselves about Jesus' teaching about wealth and you reply with ...the Old Testament? Or 'read up'? Please enlighten me then with a passage from the parables of Jesus in which he encouraged success in this world and the accumulation of wealth as a means of devoting one's self to God's will. Any of the gospels will do. Cite the passage scholarly one.

      Bart Ehrman was a poor historian? So, given your knowledge of aerodynamics and your clear lack of scriptural knowledge you conclude this scholar of early christianity, who chairs the department of religious studies at UNC Chapel Hill, and who has read the most ancient scrolls and is fluent in Hebrew, Greek, Coptic and Aramaic (the language of Jesus spoke), you have concluded he is a poor historian? Based on what? It is certainly not his lack of knowledge about how christianity developed. Because he doesn't know what fantasy land christianity exists in your head? That does not make him a poor historian. And again, by all means, publish your defining text refuting his historical claims. And let me know when it comes out and the title.

      And your answer for suffering is 'free will'? Tell me which 3 year old Haitian infant did not exercise proper free will when their parents were crushed by their home and is now orphaned? Which toddler drowned under the waves in sumatra in '04 should have made better moral decisions? And the genocide of millions of native americans at the hands of the pious and devoutly christian spanish conquistadors (ex Pisaro, Cortes) was justly deserved since they did not pray to the one true god? Such a crushingly stupid and inhumane answer is unfortunately common in the believer.

      As for myself I do not know what you are referencing by the great 'loss' I must have had. I am a successful practicing ER physician who has a loving family and also could send a child anywhere.

      I guess you do not have to be very curious about history to be in aerodynamics. Nor logical. Your ramblings are bizarre. I hope for everyone's safety you are reality based in your work.

      And why again did you state that the Red Cross was christian? Just go and check the web site rather than make it up. A few seconds and you would have seen in its very clear mission statement that it is completely neutral. You really are laughable.

      • 3 votes
      #1.85 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:24 AM EST
      JLMYERS77777

      CJ, You are correct. The Red Cross is not a Christian Organization. I think that Sovereign is thinking of the Salvation Army, which is clearly stated as a Christian Charity.

      However, on the topic, I hope that aid arrives quickly in Haiti, regardless where it comes from. These people have suffered enough and my heart breaks for everyone affected by this

      • 6 votes
      #1.86 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:50 AM EST
      ToldYouSo-

      And why again did you state that the Red Cross was christian?

      I don't think he made anything up. Clara Barton was raised a Christan. Her father was a patriot and strong Christian in the Universal Christian Church. She retained her religious beliefs and ethics when became a nurse and those beliefs helped form what is known as the American Red Cross today. There is more Christian in the American Red Cross than you know, nor can be proclaimed. It's mission statement signifies her Christian beliefs of helping anyone regardless of social status, color or religion and must publically stay politicaly and religiously nuetral for it recieve funding as it does. I think he is spot on.

      • 5 votes
      #1.87 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:52 AM EST
      ToldYouSo-

      Some people will never see God's work in anything.

      • 3 votes
      #1.88 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:59 AM EST
      DenissrDeleted
      BRYAN-1012471

      I keep reading so many different opinions here, and yes we truly have become a divided nation in america, not just divided in half, more like divided in 10th's and all these little factions bicker about there stupid @!$%#, and how their side is right and your side is wrong, it's no wonder we have no freedom or money left in this country. And as far as this Haiti situation, I've read "this is why ppl hate americans" you know what we've helped ppl rebuild from disasters and wars for almost 100 years now, they didn't appreciate them, still hate us, so why help now, they'll still hate us when it's over. We've got our own issues ATM, we need to pull troops from around the world and our money (what's left of it, and if CHINA will let us have our money) And let ppl start taking care of their own crap for once. Survival of the fittest always win's even vs. god and our gov't.

      • 1 vote
      #1.90 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:47 AM EST
      mack-767431

      Immediate emergency shelter should include many of those recycled plastic sheds that they sell at Home Depot and Lowe's, donated by both of these retailers and others. All concrete construction in the future there should be banned for residential purposes. devastated areas should be bulldozed to make new land near the sea and replaced with these temporary plastic shed towns. They are light weight, easy to put together and with proper tie down systems could be resistant to wind and rain and the sun. The people who manufacturer these sheds could easily come up with a residential version (windows/ventalation) and get them down there very quickly Otherwise, it will be mass immigration to our shores within days. 3 million people affected? We need to act fast.

      • 3 votes
      #1.91 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:49 AM EST
      JLMYERS77777

      ToldYou So, I have copied this directly from the American Red Cross Web Page.

      Mission Statement

      The American Red Cross, a humanitarian organization led by volunteers and guided by its Congressional Charter and the Fundamental Principles of the International Red Cross Movement, will provide relief to victims of disaster and help people prevent, prepare for, and respond to emergencies.

      Fundamental Principles of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement

      Humanity
      The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, born of a desire to bring assistance without discrimination to the wounded on the battlefield endeavours, in its international and national capacity, to prevent and alleviate human suffering wherever it may be found. Its purpose is to protect life and health and to ensure respect for the human being. It promotes mutual understanding, friendship, cooperation and lasting peace among all peoples.

      Impartiality
      It makes no discrimination as to nationality, race, religious beliefs, class or political opinions. It endeavours to relieve the suffering of individuals, being guided solely by their needs, and to give priority to the most urgent cases of distress.

      Neutrality
      In order to continue to enjoy the confidence of all, the Movement may not take sides in hostilities or engage at any time in controversies of a political, racial, religious or ideological nature.

      Independence
      The Movement is independent. The National Societies, while auxiliaries in the humanitarian services of their governments and subject to the laws of their respective countries, must always maintain their autonomy so that they may be able at all times to act in accordance with the principles of the Movement.

      Voluntary Service
      It is a voluntary relief movement not prompted in any manner by desire for gain.

      Unity
      There can be only one Red Cross or one Red Crescent Society in any one country. It must be open to all. It must carry on its humanitarian work throughout its territory.

      Universality
      The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, in which all Societies have equal status and share equal responsibilities and duties in helping each other, is worldwide.

      How exactly does this state her Christain beliefs? Also, when reading the History on the Red Cross it states that she formed the American Red Cross after visiting Europe after the Civil War and seeing the "Swiss inspired internation Red Cross Movement"

      Just because someone is a Christian and starts an organization does not make that organization a Christian one. To imply that something is a Christian Organization would mean that those involved are to adhear to a particular set of beliefs, such as the Salvation Army. And again, just because Christians belong to an Origanization does not make it one...my son goes to a public school of which 70% of the students are Christian, but that does nto make the school a Christian School.

      Yet, back to the actual topic. Let's hope that aid arrives quickly to the Haitians, no matter if in the form a Christian, Muslim, Athesist, or agnostic Charity's as the are barely haning on there.

      • 5 votes
      #1.92 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:07 AM EST
      sdpaulson

      I have no problem with humanitarian aid for Haiti.

      I do have a problem with the Pres and Sec. of State giving $100 billion of our tax payer dollars to developing nation under the global warming ruse...

      • 7 votes
      #1.93 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:14 AM EST
      DefheroDeleted
      Roy-567878

      and you are an ASS HOLE "Do gas"

        #1.95 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:49 AM EST
        Rational AmeriCAN

        With all sincerely I give my heartfelt best wishes to our neighbors in Haiti.

        To the rest of us in America, a cold reminder, this is great cover for Democrats trying to hijack our healthcare behind closed doors. Please remain diligent here at home as we reach out to help a neighbor.

        • 4 votes
        #1.96 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:51 AM EST
        Michael Boyd-1429246

        Faith and Good Works. Whatever the label, this is reality.

          #1.97 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:16 AM EST
          Michael Boyd-1429246

          My guess is that 10% of the money spent on illegal betting, cocaine and other illegal drugs, prostitution, wasteful use of gasoline, would fund help to Haiti.

          Oh, wait. Feeling good is why "we" spend money in illegal markets. What makes "me" feel good is most important. Getting "my gun" off is the way it is.

            #1.98 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:28 AM EST
            ourthoughtsarefree

            I'd like to do a Shout Out for the Red Cross, a great humanitatian aid organization who helps people around the world. The money really goes to the people in need.

            • 2 votes
            #1.99 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:11 PM EST
            thinkstraight-306257

            My heart goes out to the people in Haiti and their families. This being said I WILL NOT give money through the Red Cross as I do not feel that giving to a so called charity that pays it CEO $100,000.00 a year having the money go where it needs to go. In times like this that is an excessive paycheck for anyone, sorry but if you want to be working for a charity you should not expect such a huge paycheck while asking people that are barely making ends meet to give money, charity starts at home get the hint big money CEO's!! That and having been an actual UNPAID VOLUNTEER with the community response team I can also tell you that the Red Cross insists that they are in charge and does not want government run unpaid volunteers in their territory.

            • 4 votes
            #1.100 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:14 PM EST
            Ix chel

            That's not true. That only held until 2006. This happened because the loans the country took couldn"t or wouldn"t be paid back

            Wrong it had to do with us implementing on them Aristide...when they didn´t want him. It was a trade embargo that lasted till 2006 and has continued in denial of loans because now they are too poor to pay back..you say only 2006 that isn´t a century ago..in economical terms it is practically yesterday. Anytime the US doesn´t like something another country does politically they lash out with economic terrorism.

            • 1 vote
            #1.101 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:26 PM EST
            Gwaarin

            sovereign man

            Gwaarin

            Sorry, you are indeed correct. I will not post any more in reference to issues not pertaining to this thread.

            Again, I am sorry.

            It's no problem. I am a Christian too. People tear on me all the time but I let it roll off. That's why Jesus said "love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you."

            The message is, we as believers have nothing to fear or defend, but we cannot bring people to God through criticism, it only hardens them into greater opposition to God. He wants us to pray for them so that they may also receive the gift and for them to see we are not a threat and our intentions are good.

            Just be good to each other, sometimes it's hard but it's the right thing to do, for all of us, whether you believe or not.

            I just want people to focus on the current situation, not think of ourselves but to think of the Haitians. They are people.

            • 6 votes
            #1.102 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:46 PM EST
            JLMYERS77777

            Thinkstraight,

            Then do not give to the Red Cross. Give to a Charity that you feel will benifit those in need. I personally do not give to the Red Cross either, except when donating blood, The only reason that I posted the above information was to clairfy that the Red Cross is NOT a Christian Organization. I would hate to see people who would normally give to them, stop giving to them because they were fasley mislead to believe that it is a Christian Organization.

            • 2 votes
            #1.103 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST
            ibinsanediego

            Unbelievable..... the level of destruction, and how sad that the majority of those trapped in the rubble will die.

            • 3 votes
            #1.104 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:50 PM EST
            Ix chel

            Wow 9 planes are circling over Haiti with no where to land...and the DR airport is also overwhelmed.

            • 2 votes
            #1.105 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:13 PM EST
            Die GoDeleted
            PanhandleMike

            My gosh! Everyone needs to check out the slideshow right below the headline. The reality will slap the shxxit out of you. This catastrophe is incomprehensible at best.

            • 2 votes
            #1.107 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:00 PM EST
            Greg-281912

            I know this is a very sad state of affairs.

            But there are internet rumors that something else happened in Haiti, before the earthquake. I think we will hear more.

            • 1 vote
            #1.108 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:12 PM EST
            GC83

            It can't be from Global Warming since it was part of a man made eugenics program. I'd bet that the elite aimed their HAARP system at Haiti to give it a trail run before the global mass exterminations begin.

              #1.109 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:31 PM EST
              David-296853

              LOL!! Sure didn't take long for the Haters & Discriminaters to show up.....a whole THREE posts.

              So sad....but so totally preditable & expected also. Some people simply can't refrain from using a tragedy to preach their constant hatred about others who aren't exactly like them. So sad.

              But I don't shed tears for them....waste of time.

              P.S. God Bless & comfort the Haitians in this time of perhaps their worst tragedy.

              • 2 votes
              #1.110 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:33 PM EST
              CJ-613345

              Gwaarin

              Actually, organized religion has a lot to answer for and defend. If all they did was 'be good to each other' that would be fine. But they don't. They make it their business to tell others who can and cannot marry and as evidence cite Leviticus, a text written by a people who did not know enough about the world to keep their crap out of their water supply. Now, I don't blame them for whatever supersitious prohibitions they used 3000 years ago since no one had any idea what caused disease, storms, crop failures,etc. But we should know better. And of course Jesus never said a word about gay marriage. Not one. Any where in the new testament. Its a catastrophic failure of the human mind in our culture that treats these ancient writings as anything but the myths they are. Not to say myths have no value. Much of the Iliad is inspiring. But no one campaigns based on their interpretation of Homer.

              And the idea of natural disasters as evidence of God's wrath is alive and well in the religious mind of today, as it was in the Iron Age. Pat Robertson stated in 2006 that Katrina was God's wrath for 'tolerance of homosexuals and deviants'. Jerry Falwell in 2007 stated that the same sexual deviants were to blame as well in the attacks of 9/11. Pope Benedict in May 2009 stated that he was against the use of condoms in AIDs embattled Africa and stated abstinence was the answer. This is completely contrary to the literature in Infectious Disease and epidemiology. And we saw how well that worked for the Palins. This will increase the number dying by thousands. And then there is the abortion issue which is also absurd. According to the World Health Organization, 10 milllion children under the age of 5 die every year from malnutrition and disease due to poverty. Yet no where in the campaign slogans of our conservative christian voters and candidates is a promise to bring to bear all of our wealth and might to saving any of them.

              And then there is the issue of hiding an elite army of child molesters. $660 million settlement in California in '03. In 2009 in Ireland came to light hundreds of cases of abuse by catholic priests. Even the priest who married me and my wife was two years later reprimanded for touching a teenage girl - and transferred. What do you expect? Put people in position of authority, keep everything secret as if it were in a confessional, mix in the sexual repression that attracts someone to abstinence or has abstinence forced upon them, and you have a predators dream job.

              And then for good measure throw in the ongoing hostility of the religious to scientific education. In Galileo and Copernicus' day it was against the theory of heliocentrism (sun centered solar system) and today it is evolution. Both have the same underlying point that bothers the ardent believer - that we humans, and the earth our home, is the center of everything and not even part of this place, this universe but magical and somehow above all of it. Nevermind that our DNA is 98% identical to a chimpanzee, including each and every amino acid in exact sequence for our hemoglobin molecule.

              All this resulting from a tradition based on a text that has been shown through the last 200 - 300 years to be very human. Full of mistakes and contradictions and violence.

              So yes, Gwaarin, you and the rest of the believers, especially the fundamentalist ones, do have a lot to answer for. Because we need to respond quickly and generously to these tragedies. And that response can be blunted when you have people such as Robertson, Falwell, and in this post Jewfishcreek, who can excuse idleness by saying 'they must have deserved it. Who are we to interfere with God's punishment?' And there are many of them out there.

              So, do what's right and help your fellow man, but spare the dogma.

              • 4 votes
              #1.111 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:20 PM EST
              CJ-613345

              Sovereign man

              While it seems you have recused yourself from this conversation, which is probably for the best, your ongoing misrepresentation of reality took another level when I read your post below.

              You stated to me that you were in the 'physics of aerodynamics' business a couple of posts above, in an attempt to bolster your scholarship credentials. Then I see you were 'shot at a couple of times' based on your post from Jan 13.

              Your are not a physicist. You do not write like anyone that smart or educated. I also do not know many aeronautical engineers who get shot at. More likely you are military and either a pilot or some sort of mechanic. Maybe you just rode in planes. In either case, thanks for your service, but try to think harder before posting your nonsense. And stop making crap up.

                #1.112 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:35 PM EST
                Gwaarin

                CJ-613345

                Can we please just focus on Haiti? This has absolutely nothing to do with religion. An earthquake can happen anywhere and to anyone.

                This is a natural disaster.

                Thank-you.

                • 6 votes
                #1.113 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:08 PM EST
                thePoliticopDeleted
                CJ-613345

                Gwaarin

                Then please join me in giving what you can. My two choices today were Doctors without Borders and the Red Cross.

                I am sure they will be very grateful for your help whatever organization you choose.

                • 1 vote
                #1.115 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:18 PM EST
                Bill Karson

                From the Counter Punch website:

                Before and After the Quake

                The Incapacitation of Haiti

                By ASHLEY SMITH

                "The media coverage of the earthquake is marked by an almost complete divorce of the disaster from the social and political history of Haiti," Canadian Haiti Solidarity Activist Yves Engler said in an interview. "They repeatedly state that the government was completely unprepared to deal with the crisis. This is true. But they left out why."

                Why were 60 percent of the buildings in Port-au-Prince shoddily constructed and unsafe in normal circumstances, according to the city's mayor? Why are there no building regulations in a city that sits on a fault line? Why has Port-au-Prince swelled from a small town of 50,000 in the 1950s to a population of 2 million desperately poor people today? Why was the state completely overwhelmed by the disaster?

                To understand these facts, we have to look at a second fault line--U.S. imperial policy toward Haiti. The U.S. government, the UN, and other powers have aided the Haitian elite in subjecting the country to neoliberal ["Free Market"] economic plans that have impoverished the masses, deforested the land, wrecked the infrastructure and incapacitated the government.

                The fault line of U.S. imperialism interacted with the geological one to turn the natural disaster into a social catastrophe.

                During the Cold War, the U.S. supported the dictatorships of Papa Doc Duvalier and then Baby Doc Duvalier--which ruled the country from 1957 to 1986--as an anti-communist counter-weight to Castro's Cuba nearby.

                Under guidance from Washington, Baby Doc Duvalier opened the Haitian economy up to U.S. capital in the 1970s and 1980s. Floods of U.S. agricultural imports destroyed peasant agriculture. As a result, hundred of thousands of people flocked to the teeming slums of Port-au-Prince to labor for pitifully low wages in sweatshops located in U.S. export processing zones.

                In the 1980s, masses of Haitians rose up to drive the Duvaliers from power--later, they elected reformer Jean-Bertrand Aristide to be president on a platform of land reform, aid to peasants, reforestation, investment in infrastructure for the people, and increased wages and union rights for sweatshop workers.

                The U.S. in turn backed a coup that drove Aristide from power in 1991. Eventually, the elected president was restored to power in 1994 when Bill Clinton sent U.S. troops to the island--but on the condition that he implement the U.S. neoliberal plan--which Haitians called the "plan of death."

                Aristide resisted parts of the U.S. program for Haiti, but implemented other provisions, undermining his hoped-for reforms. Eventually, though, the U.S. grew impatient with Aristide's failure to obey completely, especially when he demanded $21 billion in reparations during his final year in office. The U.S. imposed an economic embargo that strangled the country, driving peasants and workers even deeper into poverty.

                In 2004, Washington collaborated with Haiti's ruling elite to back death squads that toppled the government, kidnapped and deported Aristide. The United Nations sent troops to occupy the country, and the puppet government of Gérard Latortue was installed to continue Washingotn's neoliberal plans.

                Latortue's brief regime was utterly corrupt--he and his cronies pocketed large portions of the $4 billion poured into the country by the U.S. and other powers when they ended their embargo. The regime dismantled the mild reforms Aristide had managed to implement. Thus, the pattern of impoverishment and degradation of the country's infrastructure accelerated.

                In 2006 elections, the Haitian masses voted in longtime Aristide ally René Préval as president. But Préval has been a weak figure who collaborated with U.S. plans for the country and failed to address the growing social crisis.

                THE REAL state power isn't the Préval government, but the U.S.-backed United Nations occupation. Under Brazilian leadership, UN forces have protected the rich and collaborated with--or turned a blind eye to--right-wing death squads who terrorize supporters of Aristide and his Lavalas Party.

                The occupiers have done nothing to address the poverty, wrecked infrastructure and massive deforestation that have exacerbated the effects of a series of natural disasters--severe hurricanes in 2004 and 2008, and now the Port-au-Prince earthquake.

                Instead, they merely police a social catastrophe, and in so doing, have committed the normal crimes characteristic of all police forces. As Dan Beeton wrote in NACLA Report on the Americas, "The UN Stabilization Mission in Haiti (Minustah), which began its mission in June 2004, has been marred by scandals of killings, rape, and other violence by its troops almost since it began."

                In close collaboration with the new UN Special Envoy to Haiti, former President Bill Clinton, Obama has pushed for an economic program familiar to much of the rest of the Caribbean--tourism, textile sweatshops, and weakening of state control of the economy through privatization and deregulation.

                In particular, Clinton has orchestrated a plan for turning the north of Haiti into a tourist playground, as far away as possible from the teeming slums of Port-au-Prince. Clinton lured Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines into investing $55 million to build a pier along the coastline of Labadee, which it has leased until 2050.

                So while Pat Robertson denounces Haiti's great slave revolution as a pact with the devil, Clinton is helping to reduce it to a tourist trap.

                At the same time, Clinton's plans for Haiti include an expansion of the sweatshop industry to take advantage of cheap labor available from the urban masses. The U.S. granted duty-free treatment for Haitian apparel exports to make it easy for sweatshops to return to Haiti.

                Clinton celebrated the possibilities of sweatshop development during a whirlwind tour of a textile plant owned and operated by the infamous Cintas Corp. He announced that George Soros had offered $50 million for a new industrial park of sweatshops that could create 25,000 jobs in the garment industry. Clinton explained at a press conference that Haiti's government could create "more jobs by lowering the cost of doing business, including the cost of rent."

                As a result, Clinton could state to business leaders: "Your political risk in Haiti is lower than it has ever been in my lifetime."

                Thus, as previous U.S. presidencies have done before, the Obama administration has worked to aid Haiti's elite, sponsor international corporations taking advantage of cheap labor, weaken the ability of the Haitian state to regulate the society, and repress any political resistance to that agenda.

                These policies led directly to the incapacitated Haitian state, dilapidated infrastructure, poorly constructed buildings and desperate poverty that combined with the hurricanes and now the earthquake to turn natural disasters into social catastrophes.

                While everyone should support the current outpouring of aid to help Haiti, no one should do so with political blinders on.

                • 3 votes
                #1.116 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:01 AM EST
                Zathrose

                Well..well...well, 3+ days since the quake and still no food and water to the people. I guess the UN, Mr Obama, and the libs are finding out about now how hard disater relief really is. And the UN already had food and supply warehouses there. Can anyone say New Orleans and Katrina?

                Maybe its not the UN or Femma or the presidents that are the problem. Maybe there is another common denominator such as the local governments that ran both places.

                • 3 votes
                #1.117 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:35 AM EST
                Skiddy

                This is bad, but it shows the ugly side of Haiti. They have lived off of foreign aid for so long they not only expect it, they demand it. USA is moving to the nanny state too. Eventually, you don't have enough workers to support the non workers.

                • 6 votes
                #1.118 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:03 AM EST
                believe anything

                Zathrose..I agree..day three and the only people on the ground helping except for a few professionals that were there within hours...(along with the media) is unacceptable..I can think of a dozen things we could have done the moment we heard that a earthquake of epic preportions hadhit Haiti. WE could have had our paratroopers there within hours, setting up safe zones, letting the people know that more help is on the way..we could already have triage medical tents set up...within hours we could have had the airport running 24/7 instead of having to shut down at night...we have the technological ability..but all we have now is a fubar bottled-up mess... I am so pissed at the moment I probably should not even be posting...the moment they found out that the main port was not a viable way for offloading supplies they could have moved to offloading to smaller boats and beach landings...my heart goes out to the people of Haiti and my deepest apoligies that our great country is about much help as tits on a bullfrog. I agree with Lt.General Honore, we should have been there with help in the first 24 hours..we are still not there three freakin days later...as you say..can anyone say Katrina? It looks like we learned zilch.

                • 3 votes
                #1.119 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:45 AM EST
                Gramps-1235375

                You can't compare Haiti to NO & Katrina. Relief workers & supplies are going into another country. The govt & police have been invisible. UN hq's collapsed & most of their workers are trapped and/or dead. The control tower at the airport collapsed. The ports have been damaged. Hospitals are badly damaged.

                • 2 votes
                #1.120 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:53 AM EST
                Zathrose

                Sorry Gramps but yes we absolutely can compare Haiti and NO. The same type of local corrupt leaders not preparing their cities for disaster are the problems in both cases. In both instances, the local people sitting around waiting for someone else to 'save' them instead of actually pitching in to help is also adding to the problems.

                • 3 votes
                #1.121 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:18 AM EST
                Hope-295312

                Help is getting there. Thanks to so many good people and good organizations. These folks are 'on the ground' eye to eye with the suffering people.

                I thought the article headline a little distasteful - the term 'looting' used to describe people in dire need going through dangerous ruined markets to salvage anything useful for their families. Les Miserables comes to mind. Hang a guy trying to get bread for his children. I figure most of the goods in the squashed stores and markets will be bad in a few days anyhow. Why the heck not eat it while it's good?

                I am not advocating outright looting of the warehouses! Don't even go there. But picking up half ruined goods laying in the rubble in order to try to survive is something else entirely. To the writer who chose that headline - that's pretty low IMHO. How about yanking that one and coming up with more compassionate wording?? If it were YOU there would you walk past a can of soup or box of crackers laying in front of a smashed store?? Come now, be honest.

                • 2 votes
                #1.122 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:23 AM EST
                1screaminEagle

                THis is just like every disaster and someone tries to help a third world country or state ( and yes we have states here in the US the ACT like third world countries. States so bad I would rather walk down Hifia St. In Iraq back in 2004 than walk down some of these states streets..

                1) A request for help.

                2) Lawless people start looting and grabing what they can.

                3) Kidnapping og aid workers and murder.

                4) More Money Flows in to those hwho have taken advantage of the situation.

                5) those who need the money never see it.

                6) A total break down of civility.

                7) Dems blame REPs. REPs blame Dems.

                And 8) We are are further in debt. and nothing is accomplished.

                Obama say Haiti will not be forsaken. Why is Iraq, Afghanistan and Georgia any differant. Only because they are under threat of armed conflict? We sure did all we could for Georgia did'nt we. Seriouly we need to let the French or the Spanish lead this effort. We simply don't have the money. Look at all the bail outs that the Obama Admin. has set forth and tell me we have extra money to give out. It won't be long untill a warlord is established like in Somlia and we will never get anything done.

                • 4 votes
                #1.123 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:36 AM EST
                Gramps-1235375

                Zathrose, you can't compare the 2. NO is within our borders. Haiti is on an island in the Caribbean. I haven't seen many Haitians sitting around. I have seen many trying to dig people out of the rubble w/ little more than their hands. I have seen others trying to care for the injured. They have lost their homes, families, communications, electricity & clean drinking water & so much else. The govt & it's police force have deserted them.

                • 4 votes
                #1.124 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:08 AM EST
                joe-295829

                Just a larger New Orleans..

                • 6 votes
                #1.125 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:21 AM EST
                jlang-342776

                Zathrose If you know so much about food and water distribution in an emergency why dont you just truck yourself over there and just walk among those hungry and thirsty people with a box of food and a jug of water and see what happens to you??

                that is not how it is done ever heard of riot?

                • 3 votes
                #1.126 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:39 AM EST
                Zathrose

                Hey Gramps-

                You just described NO after Katrina!

                • 1 vote
                #1.127 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:39 AM EST
                jlang-342776

                Zathrose were you talking about the BUSH debacle ?

                Your gift will help save lives and help Haiti rebuild in the aftermath of the 7.0-magnitude earthquake. We hope you'll encourage others to join in our efforts. Please invite them to donate at http://www.clintonfoundation.org/haitirelief. Sincerely, Bruce R. Lindsey

                  #1.128 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:45 AM EST
                  Gramps-1235375

                  Allies offered $854 million in cash and in oil that was to be sold for cash. But only $40 million has been used so far for disaster victims or reconstruction, according to U.S. officials and contractors. Most of the aid went uncollected, including $400 million worth of oil. Some offers were withdrawn or redirected to private groups such as the Red Cross. The rest has been delayed by red tape and bureaucratic limits on how it can be spent.

                  In addition, valuable supplies and services -- such as cellphone systems, medicine and cruise ships -- were delayed or declined because the government could not handle them. In some cases, supplies were wasted.

                  The struggle to apply foreign aid in the aftermath of the hurricane, which has cost U.S. taxpayers more than $125 billion so far, is another reminder of the federal government's difficulty leading the recovery. Reports of government waste and delays or denials of assistance have surfaced repeatedly since hurricanes Katrina and Rita struck in 2005.

                  Administration officials acknowledged in February 2006 that they were ill prepared to coordinate and distribute foreign aid and that only about half the $126 million received had been put to use. Now, 20 months after Katrina, newly released documents and interviews make clear the magnitude of the troubles.

                  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113.html

                  In another instance, the Department of Homeland Security accepted an offer from Greece on Sept. 3, 2005, to dispatch two cruise ships that could be used free as hotels or hospitals for displaced residents. The deal was rescinded Sept. 15 after it became clear a ship would not arrive before Oct. 10. The U.S. eventually paid $249 million to use Carnival Cruise Lines vessels.

                  And while television sets worldwide showed images of New Orleans residents begging to be rescued from rooftops as floodwaters rose, U.S. officials turned down countless offers of allied troops and search-and-rescue teams. The most common responses: "sent letter of thanks" and "will keep offer on hand," the new documents show.

                  Overall, the United States declined 54 of 77 recorded aid offers from three of its staunchest allies: Canada, Britain and Israel, according to a 40-page State Department table of the offers that had been received as of January 2006.

                  • 1 vote
                  #1.129 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:13 AM EST
                  SB-632402

                  Why cant they do air props of water and MRE's ? This should have been done the very first day. Where has common sense gone? Sure it takes at least a few hours to get equipment and specilaised systems together so a systematic approach can be executed better and save more lives BUT simple water and food air drops are a NO BRAINER - even crutches / bandages / and some basic medical aid kits to help common trauma injuries sustained in such disasters

                  • 1 vote
                  #1.130 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:26 AM EST
                  Hope-295312

                  The wanton use of the word "LOOTER" is ugly.

                  YOU try sitting for 3 or 4 days without water and food! The toppled stores have food that's ROTTING. Why on earth would anyone deny thirsty and hungry people to dig in the dirt to salvage a few apples or a squashed bottle of water.

                  For Christ's sake - the media really needs to clean up its act here. Newsvine readers please don't buy in to the implication or inferrence of some newsroom flunkie's wording.

                  It's insulting really. If you haven't trulyl been thirsty or hungry or hopeless you cannot know how you would react seeing food half buried rotting there. You could get to it maybe if you dug it out with your bare hands.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.131 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:34 AM EST
                  Allen-968499

                  tangojones

                  Most Americans are atheists/agnostic.

                  That's probably your bitter wishful thinking talking. Actually, 79% of Americans self-identify as Christians.

                  It's the same logic that lets them say most people are in favor of the health care bill. Anything between 10 and 30% is "most" apparently. What they can claim "most" on is being most verbal and confrontational.

                  Hope-295312

                  The wanton use of the word "LOOTER" is ugly.

                  You beat me to it and I agree completely. Besides, after Katrina I thought it was decided that using the word "looter" in a predominantly black community was racist.

                    #1.132 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:56 AM EST
                    cpw777

                    And now our President promises $100 million that we don't have. He can't take time to worry about us here, with the unemployment, terrorists attacks, or any other number of things the American people are worried about. But, now, he will give away the farm to make himself shine in the eyes of the world! Haiti is hurting, I get that. And Americans are the most generous in the world. But I am sick of our President worrying about public opinion, and more worried about what he is doing to US. While we are all focused on Haiti, back door deals are being made, so much for Mr. Transparency.

                    • 7 votes
                    #1.133 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:15 PM EST
                    Gramps-1235375

                    cpw, since you aren't contributing anything to the people of Haiti or anything to this thread, STFU!!!! You're whining when people are dying. Doctors are performing amputations w/o anesthesia. People are still trapped. People are thirsty & hungry. So many have died.

                    • 3 votes
                    #1.134 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:39 PM EST
                    Pat G

                    Not long, Danny Glover said it was because of Copenhagen and nothing being done. That was today.

                      #1.135 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:01 PM EST
                      cpw777

                      Gramps, how do you know I am doing nothing?! That's what Americans do! And I don't take orders from the likes of you......

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.136 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:10 PM EST
                      mcds

                      Just like New Orleans! Anything in common?

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.137 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:18 PM EST
                      Gramps-1235375

                      cpw, I can tell by your postings of the last several days!!! It's what compassionate Americans do. All you have done is whine & insult our President. This isn't about Obama, it's about human beings dying, starving & suffering in so many ways. You are whining but these people are in desperate need of help & are suffering worse than you ever will.

                      • 2 votes
                      #1.138 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:33 PM EST
                      tstucker

                      Is this not typical? Instead of trying to help their people cope, the decide now is a great time to steal anything they can get their hands on. And when the violence starts, who is going to be directed at? Their own people? Of course, who else. Reminds me of New Orleans after Katrina. Shooting at the people trying to rescue the vistims. People are so dam**d stupid they don't deserve any help.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.139 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:20 PM EST
                      DenissrDeleted
                      Hawaii2

                      The poor, poor Haitian people.

                      Not only did they suffer mass loss of death, devastation, but they experienced an earthquake in the 7 point range, which is double the effect of a 6.8 earthquake, as we have felt here. Called a "log arithmic" scale.

                      None of us can imagine the horror of being in such terror.

                      I do not see how they will get Haiti back to it's original country. Many other countries, other than the US really came through with a lot of money. Now let's hope the money gets to the citizens of Haiti, and not to the people who's hands it is in first. Corruption in Haiti. It will be much larger now.

                      How do we save the people. Not enough doctors, nurses, infection gone rampant, and mass amputations of limbs from infection. Not done in a surgical manner.

                      This is nature's own Holocaust.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.141 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:57 PM EST
                      ivan, NC

                      Actually, I have no problem with the helping,,its knowing just where all the money ends up...and would be willingto bet the people of that country will not see even a part of it...and why would it I guess, our own government can not account for all it throws away either.

                      • 2 votes
                      #1.142 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:03 PM EST
                      oldnewgrad,RN

                      put your money where your mouth is and send aid to this stricken country. your remarks are juvenile. what's warming there is dead bodies. you're still not happy.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.143 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:19 PM EST
                      Greg in OceansideDeleted
                      jkrystof

                      About time Obama got people out there...How many days did it take him? Oh wait must of been Bush's fault.

                      • 3 votes
                      #1.145 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:49 PM EST
                      ibinsanediego

                      Haiti... America's 51st state.

                        #1.146 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:13 PM EST
                        Hope-295312

                        Wonder if anyone's teams are able to do air drops? If the roads are impassible why not drop bread and water right out of the copters?

                        Haiti probably would be a candidate for statehood, now that you mention it ibinsanediego. Their own recent systems certainly haven't bettered the country for the 80% of the population who live in dire poverty. There's no bootstraps! One cannot pick onesself up by non-existant bootstraps! As much as some posts above seem to suggest. Nothing comes from nothing. Haiti needs some sort of overhaul apparently. Perhaps this is the beginning of a better country for these folks.

                        If you want to see what this Port-au-Prince looked like check out msn maps for a view of the city intact. It's a crowded hive of tiny interlocking buildings with hardly any trees. It's understandable how poorly built structures could collapse like dominos during that quake.

                          #1.147 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:41 PM EST
                          Ix chel

                          They can land choppers, if they do food drops do you really want to see starving people kill each other over bread and water?

                          • 1 vote
                          #1.148 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:48 PM EST
                          boog a loo 22

                          The tragedy is in Haiti, but leave it to obama to try to take center stage with a news conference.

                          • 1 vote
                          #1.149 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:49 PM EST
                          Love it or Leave it

                          I've been wondering how long it will be before someone will blame Obama for this, too! lol

                            #1.150 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:31 PM EST
                            1NewDay

                            I really find it somewhat disgusting that so many posts are about promoting some agenda, religious, political racist or what ever. We need to stay focused on the terrible tragedy unfolding. As fellow human beings, regardless of our position, we should be trying to help. Maybe that's a donation, maybe for some it's prayer, others may feel obligated to actually go there to physically help. Maybe for a few, the best you can do is discuss the tragedy with friends and family in the hopes that you can help inspire others with better resources to help.

                            Besides helping in any way we can, we should all be learning from this tragedy as it unfolds. What everyone should realize is that none of us are exempt from these kind of tragedies. We may be in somewhat better positions, as we typically have better structures, better infrastructure and far more resources available across the country. However, as we hopefully learned from Katrina, even in a powerful, resourceful country, we could not organize and rally help quick enough. Time is very critical in these situations. One thing we should think about is having the knowledge and skills to help ourselves too, should we someday become a victim.

                            Although we can look at ourselves compared to Haiti and conclude we are better prepared, we need to also understand that we are also disadvantaged by the fact that our everyday lives are much more dependent on infrastructure and routine services. These are the kinds of things that easily and vey quickly disappear in a disaster. How well could you survive if all utilities and public services ceased to function? No power, no water, no heat, no communication, no sewage system, no public protection services. Could you get by a few days? Or a week? or two weeks? How quickly would the society around you crumble? The more educated we all are, the longer society will hold together. As people get desperate, that's when order breaks down.

                            I'm not suggesting that everyone becomes a survivalist, but we should all learn a few things about some very simple basics. Water, food and shelter are critical. Lack of these items can begin taking lives within a day or two, even sooner depending on things like climate or other local conditions.

                            There will be plenty of time to criticize, blame and otherwise take positions related to the crisis, after the worst is over. Right now we need to stay focused on helping in whatever way each of us can. We also owe it to ourselves to learn everything we can. Put yourself in the Haitians' position and think about how you would react. It's very easy to not do this, but both helping them and potentially helping ourselves, is our responsibility as human beings. Don't convince yourself that these people are somehow undeserving of help. And don't fool yourself into thinking it couldn't happen here.

                            • 1 vote
                            #1.151 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:38 PM EST
                            david-475776

                            JLMYERS77777 - ToldYouSo-, I have copied this directly from the American Red Cross Web Page.

                            As indicated by ToldYouSo- Clara Barton. He is absolutely correct the Red Cross was originally established as a Christian Organization, not to spread the word of Christianity; but to provide Humanitarian Assistance Worldwide irregardless of Politics and Religion. All references to Christianity were removed after extensive experience Worldwide especially in countries that violently resented this "Crusader's Cross", including using the Red Cross Symbol as a alignment for weapons sights (as a target). In countries like here if the Aid Workers are caught with supplies with the Red Crosses they are butchered (arms and legs cut off). This is why everything is relabelled as Red Crescent (Islamic).

                            That is just the way it is. As on many occasions we have played "Guardian Angel" over these Aid Workers here, including physically standing between them and violent mobs (riots) at other countries.

                            1screaminEagle, guess you were listening during training for this (disaster relief) after all. Especially, all the After Action Reports and Lessons Learned (the hard way) from previous "Disaster Events".

                            jlang-342776, Don't even start with the Clinton Foundation, look at this crooks administrative costs versus any other disaster relief organization. With former President Clinton being the fat CEO that is complained about pertaining to the Red Cross.

                            bsbfankaren- AIDS? Really, AIDS?

                            Yes, most Aid Workers are immunized against most diseases. However, you cannot immunize against AIDS, reason even to this day it is required, including in the US to wear gloves and protective glasses (blood borne disease, AIDS, HIV). And if you know the path that AIDS/HIV took during the 1970s (tracked by US Military), then you know about how it got to Haiti.

                            SB-632402 Why cant they do air props of water and MRE's ?

                            Ix chel is correct.

                            Ix chel - They can land choppers, if they do food drops do you really want to see starving people kill each other over bread and water?

                            By the way SB-632402, you going to buy all those MRE's or tell US Military that rely on them tough luck starve. Remember you cut the Defense Appropriations April 2009. With my boys and girls almost ending up with canned ham, powdered mashed potatoes, and canned green beans for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years. I bought them thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years dinners of roast duck. And if you think this does not affect/effect operations, you think about morale, and a reduced amount of food while conducting winter mountain warfare.

                            Tell the UN get off their butts and empty out the warehouses even if they have to organize the Haitians into a human chain to manually pass the food, water, medical supplies, and other emergency supplies out. If the Chinese can do it the UN "should" (sarcastically, based on too many first hand experiences with the UN) be able to do the same.

                            Gramps-1235375 - I haven't seen many Haitians sitting around. I have seen many trying to dig people out of the rubble w/ little more than their hands. I have seen others trying to care for the injured.

                            Funny last I heard you mention you are stateside. And yes, many ARE sitting around, this is called SHOCK and no organization (see above about human chain).

                            The Solution:

                            This is my reason to believe that we needed to organize US Resident Haitians (know culture, etc.) to go in to organize the local population to help with rescues, and coordinate with the US for restoring the infrastructure (electricity, with electricity being supplied by US Nuclear Submarine, like Guam, the electricity (including wiring) must be done first so that water purification, water pumping stations, etc. can work. Phased Rescue, Recovery, Rebuilding Plans). Stop doing ignorant things like decreasing the Defense Budget, reason why some assets are not readily available for Result based action. Like the submarines that would have been able to be used like Guam to provide electrical power to the whole island.

                            Irregardless of Country this is a hard lesson learned (as this can happen anywhere, Natural Disaster) as to why, most countries must have manditory conscripted Military service, with the primary purposes of organization based on results (including training in leadership, to take charge), training emergency first aid and more advanced life saving skills (including as Physicians Assistants), improvised survival techniques and now a days law enforcement. The best example of this is China, with thousands manually digging out neighbors, of neighbors, of neighbors helping each other instead of waiting for Government Assistance or Foreign Aid. And afterwards collapsing in shock as to what happened when they had time.

                            Greg in Oceanside - No worries, once Marines step on deck things will be a bit different. Signed, 1stSgt USMC.

                            In the mean time seems 1screaminEagle, counter part 82nd Airborne Division will have to do. This is why I mentioned the Defense Budget Cuts, meaning less ships, less floats to be able to respond in time. With one Carrier Group and associated vessels (ships, boats (submarines)) being eliminated by the April 2009 Defense Budget Cuts.

                            Greg in Oceanside, Kind of leaves an indelible mark on you doesn't it once you experience this kind of thing, doesn't it. Unlike Allen-968499, Hope-295312trying to be Politically Correct, and sitting Stateside eating a few Big Macs and drinking an ice cold pitcher of Kool Aid (2/3rds of US Obese). As an example of inexperience Hope-295312 posting air drops. And experience being as Ix chel posted starving people killing each other after an air drop or like seen before armed groups grabbing and seizing the air drops for themselves and selling these air dropped food, water, medical supplies and emergency shelters (tents).

                            I posted first hand experiences and some solutions (thought up and successfully implemented by smarter people than me). So before you start bashing. Go join the Red Cross or Red Crescent or US Military. And if you survive then we can sit down and have an exchange of what we have experienced, and come up with better solutions.

                            • 3 votes
                            #1.152 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:44 PM EST
                            lmk02

                            he Israel Defense Forces' aid mission to Haiti left Israel overnight Thursday with equipment for setting up an emergency field hospital. Around 220 soldiers and officers are in the delegation, including 120 medical staff who will operate the hospital in the Haitian capital, Port-au-Prince.

                              #1.153 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:51 PM EST
                              lmk02

                              NEW YORK, Jan. 15 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The American Jewish Committee praised the Israel Defense Forces contribution to relief efforts in Haiti, following the devastating earthquake which, according to current estimates, has left up to 50,000 dead and 3 million homeless.

                                #1.154 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:52 PM EST
                                sherri2012

                                Drew -

                                You probably won't see my reply to your question, because well over 100 people chose to post their comments as replies to post #1, instead of properly posting them as separate comments. So now we have this long chain of supposed replies to post #1, when in actuality they are not.

                                But, since you wondered why poor people who cannot feed even themselves nevertheless continue to reproduce...here are some reasons.

                                • It's partly because they are born and bred in poverty, and in the prevailing lack of education that accompanies that state, and are therefore woefully uninformed, including about birth control.
                                • It's partly because they do not have access to and/or cannot afford birth control (even if they know about it).
                                • It's partly because, lacking education and other advantages and thus tending to be ignorant and uninformed, they easily become enslaved to religion, and their religion often forbids birth control.
                                • It's partly because cultures naturally tend to propogate themselves, regardless of how miserable the existence of their people.

                                And all of these things make it tough to improve their situation.

                                It's partly because, among the poorest of the poor, children that you hope will grow up to take care of you when you get old is the only form of Social Security available. Their governments do nothing to help them.

                                (Thank you, Nusha, for breaking this chain and posting your comment as its own comment.)

                                • 1 vote
                                #1.155 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:01 PM EST
                                Bush & Cheney

                                obama is making the US the next haiti. he detest capitalism and then takes the fruits of capitalism and gives them away...either via healthcare or other programs. being a community organizer and benefactor of affirmative action, he does not understand that the fruit of white peoples labor and intelligence has created the prosperity of the US. that prosperity is market driven...an eat what you kill mentality. not the affirmative action mantra...well, you're not the best but that's ok because everything is the white man's fault. he does his best to destroy that prosperity and steal our assets thru excessive taxation to give to foreigners (mexicans) and minorities. if you voted for him, you are a loser in the first degree. this country doesn't need anymore lowlifes. we have enough.

                                • 2 votes
                                #1.156 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:57 PM EST
                                juno-932501

                                Global warming has already been blamed though I can't imagine in my wildest imagination how they would cnnect that with an earthquake.

                                • 1 vote
                                #1.157 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:45 PM EST
                                robin reece

                                I have to say I am quite amazed as some of the dispassionate comments I have been reading. No wonder some other countries hate us, they don't hate Americans specifically but those who are indifferent to what is happening outside their own backyard. Millions of people, every year, pay to vacation in various parts of Haiti. Why? Because it is a beautiful country, scenery, beaches and that is why we go and spend our money there just as people go on cruises and visit other beautiful countries. I first have to applaud President Obama for sending the military in so quickly to start aid. yes we see some heartbreaking videos of people in more isolated areas that they are trying to reach, heck I just watched one where the Coast Guard arrived and even the cook was jumping in doing simple medical procedures, stitching wounds, removing debris from wounds etc. It is these isolated areas that need the doctors asap and they are working on it. People you just don't understand how widespread the damage is. This is not like the San Francisco earthquake, where the majority of problems were isolated to a fairly small area. There are dozen of islands in the affected area and many areas are hard to access especially since the roadways were compromised to begin with. And to the person who stated, "why do these people live like this, poor, living in huts made of garbage", well stupid if you would bother to look around in the U.S. guess what it is happening in your own backyard you just choose not to see it. We have thousands of children, in America, who go to bed hungry every night. We have thousands of homeless in America, and trust me I was a cop for nine years and not all of them want to be homeless. The average american is just one paycheck from being homeless. My question is where are all the rich American corporations who could be lending aid in the form of money, food, water and heavy equipment and the means to ship over and utilize our own disaster response teams that have dogs and other specialized equipment that can help locate buried persons under rubble? Instead Americans are wondering who will be nominated for the Golden Globe awards and who will win at the upcoming SAG awards. My goodness some of those actors could pay for some of the help the Haitians need right now with the designer clothes they are going to wear and the expensive jewelry they will have on. I think both should be cancelled! You have people like Donald Trump who has billions of dollars who has not lifted one finger to help those people and I know he has vactioned there! And how about all the other billionairs and millionairs out there. Someone who, say, has 10 million dollars in the bank....could easily live off of the interest that it acrues each month and never touch the original money in thier entire lifetime. I wish they were asking for civilian volunteers with medical training of any kind to go over and help as I would be the first in line! On a final note, although people are ridiculing the new movie "The Book of Eli", which I just saw today and is a wonderful film, there is a statement that was made that just made me start bawling. He was talking with someone who was born after the "great war" so she knew nothing about the luxeries that we have today i.e. t.v. radio cars grocery stores etc, and he said "people used to just throw away what we fight for today, food, water, blankets, clothing etc" you get the idea. My family and I have always been hugh recyclers. I had to order a second of the largest recycling bins our garbage provider has because of how much we do recycle and on garbage day they are both spilling over and we have two maybe three bags in the actual garbage can. Yes we are in a recession and it is about time. Too long have we taken what we have for granted. What you may throw away in a day, a person in Haiti would give a limb for right now. We must find a way to help these people. Also people always say that we are one of the richest nations in the world. Then I ask, why do we have so many Americans who are jobless, homeless and hungry. And why is it so difficult for an American citizen to buy a home (the great American dream, right?), but a foreigner (no offense) can come into my country and be eligible for all types of loans from our government so they can have part of the American dream, that Americans can't even expierence? That I would love for President Obama to tell me, face to face would be great. But back on subject, we should have compassion for our fellow human beings in need right now at their darkest time. As we say over and over, take away the skin and we are all the same inside. Just because our skin color and languages are different should not set us apart, we are all human beings and we should all help each other when in need. Please keep a more open mind I am sure many of you would be thinking differently if you had a loved one there who was vacationing at the time of the earthquake wouldn't you?

                                • 3 votes
                                #1.158 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:16 AM EST
                                Jim-952823

                                ...I'm just trying to figure out why obamas good "new" friend Fidel, who is soo close to Haiti, is doing nothing. Maybe they are doing something, but such a well off Communist nation that inspires Obama should be doing more. And what about Hugo? Shoot, all that oil money... I am really dissapointed in our new socialist, communist friends....I'm surprised MSN (my socialist network) has'nt been praising them yet. Oh, give it time. I'm sure I'll be banned for awhile for this comment too.

                                • 3 votes
                                #1.159 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:27 AM EST
                                Ix chel

                                Jim, they are...who told you Cuba wasn´t doing anything?

                                • 1 vote
                                #1.160 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:36 AM EST
                                BZe1

                                All I can say is that the more I listen to the broadcasts the more I dispair for the people of Haiti.

                                Was watching a CNN broadcast tonight, where some doctors were told to pack up their stuff including their medicines etc and leave a field hospital that was set up and in which they had been working in, which they did, leaving the patients that were in their care and who had had surgery etc behind unattended. Something to do with the safety issues. That Neurosurgeon who is also a tv reporter and was supposed to be broadcasting from that field hospital, remained with the patients and were taking care of the 25 patients that were left in the tent as there were no one left to take care of the patients. Imagine that........

                                If these docs were scared and/or that worried about their safety, they should not have gone to that country who is in the midst of such a catestrophic event in the first place, to help out imo. They should have taken the patients with them to their place of safety or stay on duty imo. How soul destroyingly sad.......

                                • 1 vote
                                #1.161 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:27 AM EST
                                Rebekah in Oregon

                                Great news coverage media, thanks, but what about the soldiers at WAR IN IRAQ...where is there news coverage and support???????

                                It really is sad what has happend in Haiti due to the earthquake caused by nature, but what is more horrible is what has happend in Iraq by mankind - or man, not-so-kind.

                                  #1.162 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:35 AM EST
                                  sovereign man

                                  CJ-613345

                                  Your arrogance is astounding.

                                  I believe you may have a narcissistic personality disorder.

                                  Here are some symptoms, read them carefully.

                                  Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders.

                                  Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

                                  • Believing that you're better than others
                                  • Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
                                  • Exaggerating your achievements or talents
                                  • Expecting constant praise and admiration
                                  • Believing that you're special and acting accordingly
                                  • Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
                                  • Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
                                  • Taking advantage of others
                                  • Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
                                  • Being jealous of others
                                  • Believing that others are jealous of you
                                  • Trouble keeping healthy relationships
                                  • Setting unrealistic goals
                                  • Being easily hurt and rejected
                                  • Having a fragile self-esteem
                                  • Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

                                  No one knows you other than what you post, but it's clear that several of these symptoms fit you well.

                                  Perhaps you should ask a family member if they agree.

                                  You should consult a doctor as well.

                                  Good luck.

                                  Here is a link just in-case you are confused.

                                  http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=symptoms

                                    #1.163 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:06 AM EST
                                    sovereign man

                                    Oh..and ..GOD BLESS YOU CJ 613345

                                      #1.164 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:12 AM EST
                                      cpw777

                                      Danny Glover just said it was because of global warming. This,from a man that has made his fortune in this great country. Maybe he should move.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #1.165 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:50 AM EST
                                      1NewDay

                                      Robin, Glad to see I'm not the only one troubled by this. The "every man for himself" mentality that seems to be spreading through the country is disturbing. This "don't give a crap" attitude is bad enough, but when someone shows a little compassion, they're ridiculed as being naive or criticized for being a liberal socialist.

                                      Keep your good attitude and realize that people like you are appreciated. You may never become wealthy or powerful, but you will be blessed with a better life free of fear and hatred.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #1.166 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:00 AM EST
                                      Greg-281912

                                      For those of you who are critical of over-population in Haiti, I have questions:

                                      Do you, or have you ever, taken a child tax credit on your income tax return? Do you, or have you ever, sent a child to a public school, thereby using public funds to educate your children?

                                      The US government encourages people to have kids, kids, and more kids. Let's not be critical of Haitians on this issue.

                                      I'm thinking of everyone in Haiti this morning, and I wish I could do more, I really do.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #1.167 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:06 AM EST
                                      Greg-281912

                                      How about this for a solution:

                                      Every cruise ship in the Florida area cancel all cruises going out today, go to Haiti, get those people there on ships, where there will be food and water and medical help and places to sleep.

                                      There must be hundreds of cruise ships that could get there in a day, and we could staff them with military personnel.

                                        #1.168 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:09 AM EST
                                        CJ-613345

                                        Sovereign man

                                        OH NO! Sovereign man has diagnosed me with a most egregious mental affliction! Whatever shall I do?!

                                        Well perhaps I will not get too carried away. Since you have already misrepresented yourself as some sort of physics scholar or engineering professional, it is only fitting that you add to your delusion some sort of role as physician and healer. Please. Leave the care of others to those like me who have training. Someone like you would just get people killed.

                                        So now please tell me what kind of 'physics of aerodynamics' professional gets shot at?

                                        And then please tell me why you thought the red cross was christian?

                                        And please cite the verses in Jesus' gospel pertaining to the blessedness of accumulated wealth in this world?

                                        And please tell me you historical credentials such that you have refuted Bart Ehrman's scholarship on early christianity? (Please include title, publisher and authorship)

                                        And again please tell me what crime of free will did those Haitian infants committ to be orphaned by a crumbling building?

                                        Its not arrogance. Its simply that your views have absolutely no basis in factual reality and you do not even understand where your superstitious and Iron Age beliefs come from. And so when a person actually cites evidence and reason, the emotional and simplistic and superstitious mind, such as yours has nothing left but ad hominem. So your lazy little mind pastes a page from a website? You are a juvenile.

                                          #1.169 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:54 AM EST
                                          sherri2012

                                          Robin Reese -

                                          What a lot of great points you make in your post. It's obvious that you are a person who is driven by compassion, empathy and a sense of justice...in other words, you possess a heart and a conscience. Too bad there aren't more like you.

                                          To address just a couple of your points:

                                          My question is where are all the rich American corporations who could be lending aid in the form of money, food, water and heavy equipment and the means to ship over and utilize our own disaster response teams that have dogs and other specialized equipment that can help locate buried persons under rubble?

                                          Unless corporate profits are involved, they are not interested. Except possibly if they can generate some good PR from it that would result in corporate profits.

                                          You have people like Donald Trump who has billions of dollars who has not lifted one finger to help those people and I know he has vactioned there...And how about all the other billionairs and millionairs out there

                                          I hope you're wrong about that, and I hope people like this are contributing to the effort, but if so I sure haven't seen anything in the press about it.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #1.170 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:14 AM EST
                                          im-in-hell

                                          It amazes me how any subject can degenerate into back-biting like this. Since we are on this level...

                                          Global Warming is no big deal. If it gets too hot, there is always Nuclear Winter to cool things down. I have several suggestions where the devices could be detonated...

                                          Is Haiti going to pay back the aide it's getting? We should own Haiti like we own GM and Chrysler for this bailout. Then we could fire the Haitian government, send in ACORN to organize the population and turn them into a Democatic Party voting block. Maybe we could then sell Haiti to help pay China back the money we borrowed to bail ourselves out but spent on Haiti instead...

                                          Somehow God got into this picture, too. Anti-christians are always quick to laugh and ridicule Christians whenever Christians envoke the blessings of God. I never understood why they would care? I've never turned down a "Good luck!" from an athiest, why would they turn down a "God Bless!" unless they just wanted to be petty, small-minded, and mean?

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #1.171 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:22 AM EST
                                          Michael Boyd-1429246

                                          Paying for the sins of the fathers (and a few mothers).

                                          1492 - Columbus claims Haiti for Spain (a Catholic country by the way).

                                          Haiti's population is enslaved for the purpose of mining gold, silver.

                                          Haiti becomes one of the richest countries in the New World (rich for whom?). Sugar, the source of profits for Europe and US. Also, a source for slaves.

                                          Becomes a French colony and, after all the resources have been exploited and millions killed, Haiti is "given" its independence. Big of Europe and the US. Actually, occupied the US during the early 20th Century.

                                          The scene of numerous turmoil. Rebellion. Coups. Conversion to Catholicism.

                                          So, the bottom line is???? Part of the current fortunes of a few Americans and certain Europeans is due to Haiti's exploitation.

                                          But, what the hell? They were and are still lower downs in the hierarchy.

                                            #1.172 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:16 PM EST
                                            sovereign man

                                            CJ

                                            It seems you are easily agitated when someone questions you or has a different opinion. If you read my post you would see validation.

                                            For an ER physician, you indeed have an allot of time to be posting nonsense and insults on news vine.

                                            Apparently when your intelligence is challenged you resort to insults. Who is juvenile? Classic narcissism.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #1.173 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:32 PM EST
                                            sovereign man

                                            Also, seems for an ER doctor you post only on article relating to God or religion.

                                            It seems you have an ax to grind.

                                            You may have attended seminary school, did you fail at that as well?

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #1.174 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:52 PM EST
                                            Schitz

                                            Current relief fund for haiti: some cockroaches, 2 rabbit turds, a dust-bunny, what appears to be a flys wing, and some pubes.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #1.175 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:19 PM EST
                                            JimBob-903397

                                            Give up, CJ. You really do have better things to do than mind-wrestle with a mental midget. It's been fun to watch...up to a point. But it's devolving into a spitting contest. Thanks for your posts on religion, one always likes to hear the fairy tales debunked with logic and grace. But like I said...give up on s.m., he's a lost cause.

                                              #1.176 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:47 PM EST
                                              joe-295829

                                              jlang-342776 Zathrose were you talking about the BUSH debacle ?

                                              No Jlang it was a failure of THE FNING BLACK MAYOR and the Governor of Louisiana. The Federal government is the LAST RESORT.. I was down there after Katrina and Mississippi had their act together and New Orleans looked like @!$%#.. and I can bet you it still does today.. The Federal Government offered to federalize the National Guard before the storm, but the Governor said no that would not be necassary.. THE FNING MAYOR had all kinds of busses just sitting there but refused to make people leave and get them on busses out of town.. THE PEOPLE DID NOT LEAVE AHEAD OF TIME KNOWING A FNING CAT 4 HURRICANE with 20ft Sea Swells was coming towards a @!$%# hole 20 ft below sea level.. SO PUT THE BLAME were it belongs..

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #1.177 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:58 PM EST
                                              Reagan-540838

                                              CREDIT CARD COMPANIES TAKING A HIT OFF HAITI:

                                              As the tragedy in Haiti unfolds, Americans are generously donating millions of dollars to aid organizations.

                                              But when Americans donate to charity with their credit cards, the credit card companies get rich. In some cases they keep 3% of the donation as a "transaction fee," even though that's far more than it costs them to process the donation.

                                              It's outrageous and wrong—and it needs to stop.

                                              PLEASE PASS THIS ON >>>>

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #1.178 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:04 PM EST
                                              Bob Martinez

                                              Someone asked how these people can still live like this. All the help other countries send is stolen by POLITICIANS. Sound familiar?

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #1.179 - Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:11 AM EST
                                              Shiloh2008

                                              Why help others? Because tomorrow it might be you that needs the help. Natural disasters do not discriminate - they can happen anywhere at anytime. Thank God or your lucky stars for what you have now for tomrrow it might be gone and while you are thanking whoever you believe in (or don't), send your cash.

                                              I sent money to the Red Cross and I will continue to do so because it is the kind and ethical thing to do. The U.S. is not the only country helping in the relief, many others are as well.

                                                #1.180 - Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:42 AM EST
                                                bdbyace28

                                                Global warming indeed, haha. If we want to understand the source of desparity in any third world country we need to look at a couple of things. How in debt is the country to the IMF or the World Bank? Who controls the natural resources of that country (this actually takes some research)? How many foreign companies control how many of Haitis municipal resources? Who supported and helped bring to power the corrupt govt. in Haiti (also takes some research)? This is what primarily affects the economy, not just over population. I also noticed that almost every media source has been almost only covering this incident while everything else takes a back seat. Are we so eager to forget about whats going on at home? The recession, joblessness, govt. fiscal irresponsibility, bogus health reform, deployment of more troops to a dead cause war, increased military spending. Isnt it funny how whenever we are actually starting to pay real attention to the details at home, the corporately owned media jumps on a bandwagon of some cause that deters our attention to another incident. I am a humanitarian and hope for nothing but the best for the Haitian people. That being said we cant neglect our domestic problems in the meanwhile due to the fact that this is usually the time when our lovely politicians slide things through the process. Just like a pick-pocket distracts you while he reaches into your back pocket.

                                                  #1.181 - Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST
                                                  Gramps-1235375

                                                  How soon we forget about how we aided Pakistan after they had a quake. At least Haiti hasn't been harboring the terrorists responsible for 9/11!!!

                                                  USAID created a five year, $200 million program consisting of four projects, which include construction, education, health, and livelihoods restoration and development in the Mansehra district of Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP) and the in Bagh district of Azad Jammu & Kashmir (AJK).

                                                  More than half the program - $120 million - was allocated for physical reconstruction of destroyed buildings such as schools and basic health units. Programs cut across the development portfolio, with $23 million to strengthen education systems, $28 million for healthcare, and another $28 million for livelihoods restoration.

                                                  School reconstruction plans include 59 buildings - 25 in Bagh district and 34 in Mansehra. More importantly, USAID has trained 10,000 teachers in these two districts, and helped establish 2,300 school management committees, Wilson said. These committees give parents and community members an opportunity to get involved in school activities, and help identify and address their priorities and problems.

                                                  The USAID livelihoods project has created more than 6,500 permanent jobs in the earthquake-stricken area. A matching grants program with local firms has generated more than eight million dollars toward the rebuilding of the local economy and creation of new business in small industries linked to agriculture, such as dairy, or linked to local tourism in some parts of the earthquake area.

                                                  http://www.usaid.gov/pk/newsroom/stories/earthquake/anniversary.html

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #1.182 - Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:02 PM EST
                                                  CJ-613345

                                                  JimBob

                                                  Point taken. It is fun, though.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #1.183 - Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:48 PM EST
                                                  tyler

                                                  jewfishcreek

                                                  Banned, multiple of wall.al37, also banned.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #1.184 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:00 PM EST
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                                                  Nusha

                                                  God Bless everyone in Haiti! With so many poor people this is just the absolute worst disaster that could have happened. I hope US help comes quickly and helps. You are all in my Prayers.

                                                  • 60 votes
                                                  #2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:00 PM EST
                                                  steadydeclineExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                  What if your god doesn't want to bless them? Hmmm? Ever think of that? Maybe not everyone on this planet is Christian?

                                                  • 14 votes
                                                  #2.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:30 PM EST
                                                  rachgib

                                                  i can guarantee if you found yourself in hell on earth - you'd be praying to GOD too -

                                                  • 37 votes
                                                  #2.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:46 PM EST
                                                  carole-313805

                                                  steadydecline - I believe in God and was brought up Christian but don't really know if there was a Christ or not. But I say "God bless" because I care about people - no matter what their religion, and I believe in one God and hope he's happy that I do care about others. I don't think He cares what religion we chose to follow - if any, as long as we care about each other and get our heads out of our own butts. Now if you prefer to have your head up your butt and think your butt is the end-all and be-all over "Christians" or whatever other groups you smugly think you are supreme over, you got another thing coming when you meet your Maker. You are in for one helluva surprise! In that case I say "God help you!" (I hope you aren't expecting a bunch of virgins?)

                                                  • 30 votes
                                                  #2.3 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:48 PM EST
                                                  bckm

                                                  i DONT believe in god and i still find steadydeclines messages out of line. this is not the time to be arguing about religion. If we can help Haiti, we should. if we can't, we should simply wish them the best. otherwise, STFU.

                                                  • 54 votes
                                                  #2.4 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:56 PM EST
                                                  Lloyd-812061

                                                  at least now they'll et some food

                                                  • 3 votes
                                                  #2.5 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:29 PM EST
                                                  J.D.Still

                                                  This is a desperately poor country, in the coming days I believe when the magnitude of this disaster is known, it will defy comprehension, I would encourage anyone with an ounce of humanity or compassion to contribute what they can to the relief effort.

                                                  • 18 votes
                                                  #2.6 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:38 PM EST
                                                  TycironiDeleted
                                                  ourthoughtsarefree

                                                  Believe me , our brothers, Haitians, Help and Aid will come to your rescue in your darkest hour of grief and loss; but not from THESE icy cold heartless Darwins, but from Angels and Heroes with Big Hearts who will reeach deep into their own pockets to give you aid and with their own hands will they lift you up. May you recover, recoup, rebuild your lives. Thrive and Be Alive.

                                                  • 23 votes
                                                  #2.8 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:46 PM EST
                                                  Ix chel

                                                  Tycironi, if you have nothing good to say please do not say anything at all. These are HUMANS we are talking about...and many are now dead, hurt, or dying and others are grieving for their loved ones. This very well could happen to you in just a flash before your eyes.

                                                  People talk about sorry buildings..the houses I saw in those pictures are built of concrete...and the UN building collapsed, a hospital, the PALACE for the president collapsed..at that type of earthquake of 7 with a depth that it had, the type of earthquake, time of day, etc..made it that much worse. We had a 7.3 in Honduras in May and just exactly 24 hrs before with a measure of 5 and had virtually no damage this time..but the first there was indeed damage and 6 deaths...has nothing to do with building forms and everything to do with the type of earthquake..I would bet your crackerbox in the burbs made out of sticks, sheetrock and nails would collapse too!

                                                  • 24 votes
                                                  #2.9 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:11 AM EST
                                                  John-393576

                                                  Everyone hates the US until they need us.

                                                  • 56 votes
                                                  #2.10 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:34 AM EST
                                                  chris-1189701Deleted
                                                  sovereign man

                                                  John you are right. Had a friend get shot up delivering food to the Bosnians back in the 90's. Been shot at myself in humanitarian missions. But we still fed people even when they tried to kill us. What comes around goes around I guess.

                                                  Steadydecline. <<<hope that is not your stock portfolio.

                                                  Not everyone in the world is a Christan..you are right and it's a good thing everyone is not like you. How bad the world would be if it were so.

                                                  • 17 votes
                                                  #2.12 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:16 AM EST
                                                  npalac

                                                  Chris you are an ignorant. If by "sneak" you mean enter ilegally you are wrong because illegals cannot get food stamps or welfare. How sad that in the mist of human suffering as in Haiti, all you can do is judge those who are less unfortunate.

                                                  • 14 votes
                                                  #2.13 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:31 AM EST
                                                  npalac

                                                  I meant "less fortunate". Now let's just hope the people there get help soon.

                                                  • 4 votes
                                                  #2.14 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:49 AM EST
                                                  OomYaaqub

                                                  [[Oom, they don´t make the connection that if you don´t have enough money for food you surely don´t have enough money for BIRTH CONTROL.]]

                                                  Have you ever shared your own home with third world people? I did, for a 10 year period. I've lived with people from all over the world. Guess what, children are highly desirable in most poor countries, perhaps in part because they don't have a lot of other distractions like going on line and posting idiotic opinions. As for birth control, several forms are absolutely free, coitus interruptus for one. People have been controlling the size of their families for centuries, long before the pill or even the condom.

                                                  • 3 votes
                                                  #2.15 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:08 AM EST
                                                  Doug-384925

                                                  So far God has not done a great job in Haiti. The poorest country in the western hemisphere with an average annual income of $200, and now a 7.0 earthquake.

                                                  • 8 votes
                                                  #2.16 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:24 AM EST
                                                  ArmyMom-1522913

                                                  These people are hurting as we sit at out computers and give all kinds of reasons why aid shouldn't be given. They not only had a 7.0 earthquake but 32 aftershocks which were in the 4.5 or higher category. What was probably thought as stable is most likely falling down around them still.

                                                  I would hope if I were trapped in the rubble of a building I would not have people standing around wondering how much it would cost them to help me escape from that hell.

                                                  These are human beings. Right now they need food, clothing, medical attention and shelter. Whether you believe in God or not is not the issue. Whether you have an ounce of human kindness in your soul for those suffering should be the question. Don't want to help then don't but I will give up a luxury or two to know I may just have helped someone a little. The cost of two cups of fancy coffee can provide blankets for someone in need.

                                                  • 33 votes
                                                  #2.17 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:57 AM EST
                                                  ibinsanediego

                                                  so what does this all mean? one of the biggest earthquakes hammering one of the poorest countries. between the storms and now this earthquake, they should all be living in grass huts.

                                                    #2.18 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:17 AM EST
                                                    TheHardTruthExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                    Just another example of the biblical god pouring on pain and disaster on those who need help the most. God bless god! He has such a wonderful plan!

                                                    • 7 votes
                                                    #2.19 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:17 AM EST
                                                    Kvothe

                                                    All of you here turning this topic political should be ashamed. You are a disgrace. People are suffering and we should do everything in our power to assist them, despite our debt.

                                                    • 17 votes
                                                    #2.20 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:03 AM EST
                                                    carole-313805

                                                    The true meaning of God is not what he can do to "fix" everything for us here on earth. His true meaning is His love and how He will welcome us if our hearts and minds have been in the right place, regardless of what we go through here on earth. And believe it or not, our lives and suffering on earth are but the blink of an eye compared the to eternity ahead of us. Live your life well and your eternity will reward you many, many times over whatever suffering you've endured.

                                                    So show some respect for everyone, and don't expect "magic" down in a physical form, but if you are lucky you may feel it in a spiritual sense.

                                                    • 7 votes
                                                    #2.21 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:20 AM EST
                                                    orbustDeleted
                                                    Greg-281912

                                                    I'll be more than happy to help out with charitable contributions as follows:

                                                    Personal Note to US Government: Please take all of my tax money that you are using to pay people's mortgage who bought a house they couldn't afford due to greed and financial ignorance and then send it to Haiti. Thanks!

                                                    • 16 votes
                                                    #2.23 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:41 AM EST
                                                    orbustDeleted
                                                    Peed-off Peon

                                                    I give my sympathies to all those suffering from this in Haiti. Hopefully when people in the U.S. or other countries need help from something like this the generous will be able to help out by giving their money. I am not going to bring politics into this as it has no relevence to the problems described on this particular blog. These people are suffering and have for years before such a situation. Now they need help even more than ever. Have compassion for people. Some of you are really heartless, and I can understand considering the situation in our country. We give and give, and when people really need it we give some more. Thats who we are

                                                    • 8 votes
                                                    #2.25 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:17 AM EST
                                                    Greg-281912

                                                    My point is that I handed the US government over 20K last year, and I hope that our government uses that money appropriately, helping Hatians during this time of devastation.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #2.26 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:51 AM EST
                                                    Allen-968499

                                                    Wow you guys trying to turn this into a chance to bash Christians are just sick individuals. THOUSANDS of people are dying and that's all you can think about?

                                                    To put it in perspective, a 4.0 is the equivalent of the Nagasaki atomic bomb. Each point is 10X worse. This 7.0 is 1,000X worse than the atomic bomb.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #2.27 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:58 AM EST
                                                    Uncommon Sensibility

                                                    God's actions might not be what you'd agree to be compassionate, but that does not negate His existence. Everything happens for a reason, but we are not to know those reasons until Moving Day.

                                                    Did He activate this devastation to unite a suffering community? Did He do it to pull our selfish heads out of our greenback woes and focus on what really are our blessings? Did He do it to "thin out" the excess population, thereby ensuring adequate provisions for the survivors? Or is there another reason which is beyond our imagination? I don't know, and I am not arrogant enough to assume.

                                                    We request God to bless people but drop the "Please, if You would be willing" because of literary license. When we say "Amen", it means "so be it". We say it at the end of prayers, again, to beseech Him in what we feel is important to us, not as a demand or assumption of fulfillment. Were that the case, I guarantee you I would pray for peace, an end to hunger, disease, hatred, and violence and AMEN ... You're welcome.

                                                    I don't care if you use one "o" in your God or two (Good) and give him another moniker. If your heart is in the right place, you will do whatever you can to alleviate suffering in that traumatized region of the world, even if all you can offer is words of prayer.

                                                    If your heart is dark, you will turn this into a blog for politics or religion bashing. I pray for you, too.

                                                    • 6 votes
                                                    #2.28 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:02 AM EST
                                                    TycironiDeleted
                                                    Indifferent 1

                                                    Oh dear God! I truly hope and pray that they are able to get the support and help they need from the Taliban and Al Quaida! What exactly will Yemen and Iran be sending over for assistance?

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #2.30 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:37 AM EST
                                                    Josh-304951

                                                    "God's actions might not be what you'd agree to be compassionate, but that does not negate His existence."
                                                    -Uncommon Sensibility

                                                    Observationally speaking, you're correct here, but for the wrong reason. His existence cannot be negated because it has never been proven. The best anyone can do or has done is to infer the existence of a divine creator from a perceived design in nature.

                                                    I am saddened by the loss of life and suffering by this event and I have compassion for those who are affected. Natural disasters do occur in nature and they do affect the good people as well as the bad. It's a fact of life whose pain isn't mitigated one iota by invoking an unseen deity and making the noxious claims that he oversees all. At the end of the day it is simply wishful thinking that is widely subscribed by the credulous and superstitious and explains nothing.

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #2.31 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:40 AM EST
                                                    Ix chel

                                                    Oom, have I ever shared my home with people in a third world country? I live in a third world country, Honduras, and I am married to a man from a third world country.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #2.32 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:55 AM EST
                                                    ModerationInAllThings

                                                    Peed off-

                                                    I have to agree with you on this; many of these comments go quite a ways to demonstrate why we are where we are today here in America. I understand how we all can have differing domestic/political views, but such tragedy transcends all that, or should.

                                                    Let's say that you and I have differing opinions on politics, health care, the direction our country should take.... even differing to the point where our blood boils during oppositional discussions. Then something like this strikes. I wouldn't hesitate for one second to do all I could to help you, and would risk injury without seeking reward or accalades of any kind to do so if I were near enough to your location. No different than if we agreed on everything under the sun.

                                                    People, or many of us, don't seem to have "that" any more; while people are trapped, suffering, crying out in pain, losing limbs, likely starving and/or dehydrating while trapped next to their loved ones who have already passed, MANY only clinging to a sliver of hope- - - - while all this is going on, people are debating god, birth control, politics, how much money the U.S. has, and whether or not the Haitian government likes us or not.

                                                    You'd think that in the wake of a tragedy like this, most would have a "humbling" moment; put all else aside and respond emotionally, physically, and financially. Perhaps even see that yes, things are very bad here in America, but by comparison, we can work together to fix our problems; they're of differing opinions and loss of representation in government. Haiti's problems can't be fixed so easily or readily, no matter HOW much all co-operate. Comparatively, our problems are nothing, and in reality, they're our own doing.

                                                    Our needing to clean our own house is an embarrasment of an excuse for reacting as heartlessly as many have to a natural, catastrophic disaster. I'd hope we aren't all judged by such sentiments of selfishness and immaturity.

                                                    • 15 votes
                                                    #2.33 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:04 PM EST
                                                    ONTIME

                                                    My condolences to those in Haiti.

                                                    Could someone tell me what if anything has happened in the Dominican Republic, a 7.0 earthquake destroys one side of this island but does nothing to the adjacent part of the island, does that make sense to anyone?

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #2.34 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:05 PM EST
                                                    jmanges05

                                                    If anyone has any information as to how to get down there to help these people, please email me. I've been to Haiti twice, and having seen those buildings and living conditions in a "normal" time, I cant even imagine how things are right now. My email address is justinmanges05@hotmail.com, I can be ready to go in as little as 48 hours.

                                                    P.S. please put something relevant for the subject, in case the message is automatically delivered into my junk mail.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #2.35 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:24 PM EST
                                                    ModerationInAllThings

                                                    It has much to do with the fissure; where the tectonic plates are "grinding" against each other there, one sliding under the other. It's a fairly shallow origin, approx. 5 miles down, from what I've read. Not only did this increase the amount of damage caused, but it also impacted more specifically. A "deeper" quake would have likely affected a larger area, but would (likely) have been less damaging. It's akin to dynamite either being buried 10 feet in the ground or 30 feet.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #2.36 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:24 PM EST
                                                    FedUp-1094255

                                                    I can't believe some of you people!! Here's what i read:

                                                    Christian/Repub: Bummer for them, they shouldn't have kids, we'd rather spend all our money on ourselves.

                                                    Atheist/Liberal: Wow, you call yourselves Christians yet you don't care about other people?

                                                    Christian: How dare you use this disccussion to bash religion! (atheist bashing here) (or rather "THESE icy cold heartless Darwins").

                                                    It's like talking to my 95-year old grandmother, deaf as a post, but not listening anyway. Frankly, most of you people would be better served in School learning how to spell and/or think Objectively instead of wasting time here beating your Bible and your wallets together.

                                                    • 10 votes
                                                    #2.37 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST
                                                    oldefarte

                                                    Firstly, my sympathies to the Haitians - the country (if you've never been there) is a disaster on a good day and this is not a good day. Hard to "bootstrap" yourself when you don't even own shoes and to then be periodically devastated by hurricanes or earthquakes only adds to the grinding misery of the place.

                                                    Now, as to the theological discussion which has erupted here, let me confess that I waiver between atheism and agnosticism, but I'm actually starting to believe that there might be a God - if not an all powerful God, then at least a "God of Divine Irony". Consider: within a day of a "World Global Warming Summit", the whole world was shut down by record winter storms. Then, just yesterday, there was a spirited discussion on "Newsvine" about the "racism" inherent in the movie "Avatar", with several black commentators (incl. several from Caribbean backgrounds) bewailing the message of the movie and its "noble white man once again saving the colored natives". Suddenly, the very next day, the cry has once more gone out for the white man (or, at least, the predominantly white nations) to once more step up and save the black natives (or, at least, an overwhelmingly black nation). Can this really be coincidence?

                                                    Regrettably, the most the world can do for Haiti is to get it back to the sorry state it was in before this latest natural disaster. There is, regrettably, something just wrong with the place and it shows, particularly, at the border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. On the Dominican side of the border fence, the land is clean and green and dotted with tidy, little Caribbean villages. Immediately on the other side of the fence, the land is a brown desert - over-logged, over-grazed, utterly raped and ruined, and what passes for habitations are miserable collections of shacks most Americans would be ashamed to lodge their dogs in. The USA, in particular, has been involved in Haiti for over 100 years, yet there is no evidence that it improved the natives' lot at all (and often enough, as in Pres. Clinton's ill-considered intervention, it merely worsened the situation). Were Haiti a business, they'd shut it down and put a "closed" sign on the door. Unfortunately, that's not an option for countries and it is likely that this latest tragedy is just going to end up as one more sad event in an almost endless list of Haitian miseries.

                                                    • 6 votes
                                                    #2.38 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:36 PM EST
                                                    jmanges05

                                                    Anyone that knows how to get in contact with the groups going down there please email me at justinmanges05@hotmail.com

                                                      #2.39 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:37 PM EST
                                                      orbustDeleted
                                                      oldefarte

                                                      ONTIME (Msg. #2.34), "Moderation" (Msg. #2.36) covers some of the reasons why the DR, tho' affected, was not devastated. There are other reasons, as well, however, incl. the poor conditions of the buildings in Haiti, the over-crowding (which can turn a minor bus accident into a major tragedy) and such things as the loss of vegetation, which makes any rainstorm or disruption an occasion for landslides and collapses. In short, the DR had an earthquake and Haiti had a disaster.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #2.41 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:43 PM EST
                                                      ModerationInAllThings

                                                      orbust:

                                                      Part of the "blah-blah" you missed is: "I'd hope we aren't all judged by such sentiments of selfishness and immaturity."

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #2.42 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:44 PM EST
                                                      Shift Lock

                                                      God Bless them for sure.

                                                      Let us bless them as well. If we don't do something immediately then this could unfortunately turn into a humanitarian crisis that will cost the world much more to then respond to...

                                                      Noteworthy then is the consideration of all that Haiti has done for the world (not financially, but through love and music, etc).... We must repay them in return with the same measure...

                                                      The biggest problem in Haiti is corruption, poverty and the lack of political evolution...the problem is NOT the lack of good people.

                                                      • 4 votes
                                                      #2.43 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:45 PM EST
                                                      Uncommon Sensibility

                                                      Josh ... six digit number: You stated "Observationally speaking, you're correct here, but for the wrong reason. His existence cannot be negated because it has never been proven. The best anyone can do or has done is to infer the existence of a divine creator from a perceived design in nature."

                                                      Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Large debate, no answers. Your belief is because God has not yet been validated to your standards of fact establishment, He does not exist. My belief is until it has been proven He does not exist, He does. I have been called a sheep because I believe blindly and can be controlled by platitudes. Quite the contrary, I do challenge some of my teachings because it doesn't sit well in my God-given ability to cipher history and meld it with logic. That doesn't mean I don't believe in Him; I just think there's a pretty good chance my Bible might have been translated literally when it should have been translated metaphorically.

                                                      God has always given us trials. It doesn't make Him evil; it makes us strong. It gives us an opportunity to be everything He hoped we would be for others who need us. Would you reach out to help somebody who might not deserve it when they needed help the most? If you would, then your God has two o's in His name. I celebrate your character. If not, your choice is understood.

                                                      These people may be from a country nearing starvation before this tragedy. They may have tormented Americans when we visited or offered help before. They may show prejudice against our nationality. They may not have tried to help themselves when they ought to have done just that. Those are issues one can choose to justify apathy, or strengthen conviction in benevolence and humanity. It's an independent choice. I'll see the $25 contribution and raise it another $25.

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #2.44 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:07 PM EST
                                                      Josh-304951

                                                      It isn't necessary to leap to the conclusion that because we can't demonstrate with certainty which came first, the chicken or the egg, that somehow it opens the door for a deity or divine creator of any kind. It's illogical. Wikipedia illustrates what most evolutionary biologists contend:

                                                      "Evolution states that species change over time via mutation and selection. Since DNA can be modified only before birth, a mutation must have taken place at conception or within an egg such that an animal similar to a chicken, but not a chicken, laid the first chicken egg.[7][8] In this light, both the egg and the chicken evolved simultaneously from birds who weren't chickens and didn't lay chicken eggs but gradually became more and more like chickens over time."

                                                      Lastly, you're correct in stating that: " Your belief is because God has not yet been validated to your standards of fact establishment, He does not exist." Certainly, that's my point. The contention that Elvis is still alive, that Bigfoot roams the Pacific Northwest, or that Zeus or Apollo are still reigning deities do not bother me either. None has sufficient evidence to demand belief. I simply apply the same standards of proof and evidence to the biblical god and reach the same logical conclusion.

                                                      Remember, the scientific method is quite exacting when it comes to questions of fact. Where there is no evidence for "X", we do not say that "X" may exist or that "X" possibly exists; we simply say that there is no evidence for "X" and therefore we do not make the assumption that "X" exists. Simple, direct, and not even open to debate.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #2.45 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:36 PM EST
                                                      tyler

                                                      2.7 deleted, Tycironi death-trolling, basically.

                                                      • 7 votes
                                                      #2.46 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:18 PM EST
                                                      jeeesus

                                                      A sad event, we all know that America is helping and boasts about that everytime something happens..we care about everyone but our own what ashame..mean while people die and are in despair everday, everywhere including here..bottom line; The World is in Misery, it has Gone Mad..Haiti, before the Quake was in incredible financial despair, Aids ridden with huge problems..this is somehat like Katrina, nobody CARED until thousands of dead decayed bodies were strewn everywhere..I'm sorry, apple-polishing and johnny do goods are really Not in Tune with Reality.........

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #2.47 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:20 PM EST
                                                      tyler

                                                      What if your god doesn't want to bless them? Hmmm? Ever think of that? Maybe not everyone on this planet is Christian?

                                                      steadydecline, quit derailing about religion, you're making it personal.

                                                      They sneak in here get welfare and food stamps and complain about everything.

                                                      2.11 deleted, chris-1189701 basically trolling everyone who's not an American. Between that and the violations of #1, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 and #5 of the Code of Honor.

                                                      • 10 votes
                                                      #2.48 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:25 PM EST
                                                      Uncommon Sensibility

                                                      Your argument has solid merit. It breaks down only when one applies it to human necessity. We humans have to have reasons for what takes place, or we will come up with the most logical one. Biologists have no solid proof of what happened. They just apply their education and experience against the egg/chicken quandry and agreed among themselves it must have been so. Who am I to argue?

                                                      Thus is also the beginning of our creation in scientists' and physicists' mindsets. They call it "The Big Bang Theory". I call it "another option". It, too, raises more questions than answers, with infinite combinations of matter versus antimatter, gravity and vacuum. They come to a concensus, and voila: a theory is published. I'm going to lay odds they're wrong.

                                                      When our world was flat, it wasn't. When man couldn't reach the moon, he did. There is and isn't global warming. We do and don't use 10% of our brain. The appendix serves no purpose.

                                                      With scientists, their guesses are just more educated than ours and catapult off others' reasearch. "I can see more standing on the shoulders of my predecessors than I can on my own two feet." And yet, it doesn't mean I wasn't closer to the truth on the ground.

                                                      God's existence to me has already been proven. It's an instinct that bears more weight for me than all the scientific data accumulated to date attempting to prove otherwise. I base it on interpretations of what I have seen and learned. And I learned scientific data has been interpreted by humans who have been proven repetitively to be error prone.

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #2.49 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:33 PM EST
                                                      Greg-281912

                                                      About kids, let's not forget that Americans are encouraged, especially at lower economic levels, to have more kids. The more kids you have, the more money the government sends you via tax credits, etc. That's crazy, absolutely insane, to encourage people who can't afford to have kids to have more kids, but that's the way it is.

                                                      So, IF it's true that Haitians are having more kids than they could afford, Americans should be the LAST group of people to criticize them.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #2.50 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:40 PM EST
                                                      orbustDeleted
                                                      tyler

                                                      2.29 deleted, Tycironi trolling Haitians again. You're suspended for a day for violating #5 of the Code of Honor.

                                                      • 4 votes
                                                      #2.52 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:55 PM EST
                                                      G. H.

                                                      You can donate your Newsvine earnings! See Top News front page. Thanks ♥

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #2.53 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:13 PM EST
                                                      carole-313805

                                                      I had always hoped there was a God. By the time I lost my parents and brother in the same year ten years ago I had actually come to believe, but not for any particular reason. Just years of little "things" and insights.

                                                      5 years ago I had a falling out with my daughter and I didn't speak to her for months. One night I asked God to help her "find her soul". I was totally alone at home and clear as day I heard "Why don't you?" He was admonishing me to quit feeling sorry for myself and angry, and to try and fix things myself rather than sit around waiting for him to do it. It wasn't easy, but I swallowed my pride and reached out to my daughter.

                                                      Yeah, my family humors me but I'm sure they think I'm nuts. Whatever. I'm happy in my heart and my daughter and I are in a much better place now. And I KNOW He's there! : )

                                                      • 7 votes
                                                      #2.54 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:56 PM EST
                                                      Bob Randall-1218482

                                                      "I hope US help comes quickly and helps."

                                                      On the way, as always.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #2.55 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:48 AM EST
                                                      MrIndia

                                                      For JEESUS and all others like him crying about how the world did not care when Hurrican Katerina devastated the gulf coast -

                                                      Read on , enlighten yourself and cry at your ignorence ....

                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

                                                        #2.56 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST
                                                        revolution time!

                                                        Yes.....the "U.S." will help like always and like always be the #1 contributor to the disaster relief......but as usual the rest of the world will still look at us as the worlds "EVIL"......how Ironic!

                                                        France,Germany,Italy,Spain......just to name a few......wonder how much the nations of the U.N. will contribute?

                                                          #2.57 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:17 PM EST
                                                          i-mMe

                                                          I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Mayan calendar prediction's/folklore.

                                                            #2.58 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:09 PM EST
                                                            oldnewgrad,RN

                                                            Haiti is 80% Catholic. christian last I heard.

                                                            Oh and I think the headline about looting is out of line. When people need necessities like food water bandages etc refrain from using the looting term.Many people are risking their own lives to dig through rubble and find the injured and dying so focus on the heroics. if someone needs something this is not the time to worry about possessions.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #2.59 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:23 PM EST
                                                            Ix chel

                                                            The Mayan calendar is real..not folklore, but the argument that they meant the world was going to end is based on Nostradamus and his argument that something major in December 2012 is going to happen.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #2.60 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST
                                                            david-475776

                                                            Ix chel - The Mayan calendar is real..not folklore

                                                            This is where I have to disagree; eventhough, I agreed with you on other subjects. The reason the Mayan Calendars (actually Almanacs) stopped was because the Hispanics (Spaniards) wiped out most of the Mayans and made the Mayan "Pagan" Culture illegal punishable by burning at the stake like the Spanish Inquisition. Just like the Spaniards wiped out the Incas, and Aztecs while searching for the "Cities of Gold".

                                                            Pertaining to 2012, the movie, this situation reminds me of that were people have been trained to rely on Government to save them. Instead of result based organizing to save themselves. My example posted at 1.152 of the Chinese. And notice in the movie the Chinese could do (Results matter not Political Correctness, nor Religion nor any other factors that lead to inaction (no results)) what no one else could, building the ships.

                                                            Pertaining to Nuclear Weapons (previous Training, including disaster response). This disaster would be the equivalent of over 30 Nuclear Weapons, minus the radioactive effects.

                                                            And results matter not Politics, Religion, etc.. As to why the US Military is used, Result based in life or death situations.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #2.61 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:16 PM EST
                                                            Ix chel

                                                            Wiped them out? So I am dreaming that I have a Mayan indian husband for the past fifteen years? I am dreaming they have a population of near four million?

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #2.62 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:34 PM EST
                                                            Bush & Cheney

                                                            so what if the world is destroyed by either manmade or natural causes. the endtime is near. at least we won't have to pay al bores's stupid taxes for breathing CD or using incandecent bulbs...or look at obimbo's stupid mug every night on television.

                                                            darwism at it's best...the US population is now so stupid that it voted in a talking monkey and now is bewildered that he is destroying the nation. nevermind the corruption and forced abortions. to hell with it. (and you if you voted for the BO pimp). let's all say that out loud because the democraps are doing everything behind closed doors. c o r r u p t i o n!!!!

                                                            if this is the best that we have to offer, we deserved to be destroyed.

                                                              #2.63 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:06 PM EST
                                                              i-mMe

                                                              (I can hardly believe that I am having to explain this)

                                                              lx chel, obviously the Mayan calendar is real! The reference was to the "prediction's/ folklore"... theories that have been spun into tales of the catastrophic demise of the world.

                                                              My comment was satiric in nature, partly in response to all of the religious arguing that has ensued on the forum. Also, there are usually people who are eager to proclaim any disaster to be a sign of the approaching Apocalypse.

                                                              I apologize for the confusion.

                                                              Sweet dreams...

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              #2.64 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:44 AM EST
                                                              Jim-952823

                                                              ...A tropical paradise, destroyed by its inhabitants even before the earthquake, kind of reminds me of a state called.....California.

                                                              • 2 votes
                                                              #2.65 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:32 AM EST
                                                              BBYANKO

                                                              Why don't our government ship all those FEMA trailors that are wasting away in those huge lots? That will help with some shelter for the Haitian people. What disturbs me is hearing about the looting, that does not help their cause by doing that. Just like New Orleans, seeing people loot. You know these Haiti people need to work together to clear the roads to try to get the aid through instead of doing something destructive. I live through hurricane Charlie and all the people got together and cleaned up,worked together as a team to get the city back to were it was. Why dont these people do the same?

                                                                #2.66 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:40 PM EST
                                                                Ix chel

                                                                BBYanko, I agree ship the trailers to them. Actually I am not surprised..if you are starving you will go to any extreme to cover your needs..even looting.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #2.67 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:41 PM EST
                                                                GLCSR

                                                                With so many poor people this is just the absolute worst disaster that could have happened. I hope US help comes quickly and helps.

                                                                So if this had happened to a country with not so many poor people, like the U.S. it would be an absolute disaster? You hope U. S. help comes quikly eh? Why? Because we are not so poor? When the people of the U.S. are there any other time all the people of Haiti want to do is rob and kill the U.S. people. But now we're welcome!

                                                                It's a shame that Haiti is in this situation. There was a time Haiti was economically stable and even prosperous. The only reason it isn't now is that the current majority of people got control of the haiti and did like they do to any other country that has been established prior that they get control of. They ran it into the ground thru laziness and ignorance and the thug/gang/warlord/dictatorship mentality. There are three countries that come to mind that had been made in to prosperous countries only to be brought done thru laziness and ignornce. Rhodesia/Zimbabwee, South Africa and Haiti. What's the common thread between these three?

                                                                Your comment about the U.S. come quickly remends me of the sunami. About 4hrs after the sunami did it's damage, reporter took to the street reporting and interviewing people. One man they interviewed was literally crying tears wanting to know why the United States hadn't got there yey to help him and his people. There hadn't even been enough time to load planes at that point but he thought the U.S. should have already been there giving him something. Is that your thoughts as well. You hope the U.S. gets there quickly to give people something? Something Free perhaps.

                                                                As poor as Haitians are, they still have children knowing that these children will be brought into a world where they won't have anything. What kind of person would bring a child into that?

                                                                I hear violence is errupting in haiti now. Anyone want to take bets on how long it will take haitians to start eating humans. Or killing the people that went there to help them? Although I think it's been reported that aid workers were already being killed. Probably to be used as food.

                                                                I think we should be there helping the people by helping them rescue or recover people. Help establish aid stations and distribute aid packages. But as far as financial help the U.S. needs to just keep the American tax payers money here at home. If the private U.S. citizen wants to donate that's find but not federal tax dollars. In al honesty it shouldn't reall take much to help someone who has nothing. BVut I'm sure they'll want the U.S. to rebuild teir homes into the 3 bedroom 2 bath homes tghat they'll say they had prior to the earthquake.

                                                                  #2.68 - Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:39 AM EST
                                                                  Malia-1211058

                                                                  Unfortunately a lot of what you say is true. It's the mentality that some people have that they're owed things, even though many haven't worked to earn things. I'm not saying the Haitians don't work, just saying if people want 3 bedroom 2 bath homes they need to work hard for them. Haiti was once a beautiful island, now it's full of crime, sin and corruption. There needs to be some type of ordinance down there, otherwise after the U.S. and the world have spent billions to repair it, it may go back right back to the way it was before the earthquake. And while I believe in personal donations, I also don't believe in millions of taxpayer dollars being sent to a country who will not appreciate it. They never have before, otherwise the country wouldn't be in the mess it was before the earthquake.

                                                                    #2.69 - Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:02 PM EST
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                                                                    Truth Be Told-904226

                                                                    It is too bad for them, but the U.S. has no business over there. America is trillions of dollars in debt already. Maybe the Haitian "government" can ask the World Bank for a loan, because the U.S. govt. already owes more than it can ever hope to pay back.

                                                                    • 29 votes
                                                                    #3 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:04 PM EST
                                                                    Opus_P

                                                                    ....agreed. I'm so tired of footing the bill to "make the world a better place". To he!! with them. All the gov'ts that we've helped after natural disasters....would just as much like to see the downfall of the US in the blink of an eye.

                                                                    .....but of course.....if we didn't pull other country's butts out of the fire....the rest of the "free world" would open their mouth about it. I'm sure that plays into our always helping out in a crisis. I can tell you that I don't give a rats azz about what the rest of the world says....let'em dig out on their own and see how easy it is......and maybe there will be some appreciation for all the times we were there.

                                                                    • 20 votes
                                                                    #3.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:50 PM EST
                                                                    radar015

                                                                    We're in the mess we're in because we stuck our noses where they didn't belong. The people of Afghanistan and Iraq didn't ask us to invade them. The money we spent in those two countries was used to fill the pockets of the warmongers here. If we limited ourselves to just helping people with real help instead of invading them and thinking that is helping them, we wouldn't be so much in debt here. We bankrupted ourselves on the military industrial complex and on bogus wars, not because we help people once in a while when we really do help people.

                                                                    • 28 votes
                                                                    #3.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:43 PM EST
                                                                    Meagan Adams

                                                                    radar - The people of afghanastan didn't ask us to invade them?? Were you alive in 2001 when the world trade centers were demolished by Afghan terrorists and thousands of innocent WORKING Americans died?

                                                                    You DO know that there was another attempted terrorist attack by a terrorist on the "no fly" list which had it been pulled off would have detonated a bomb at the Detroit airport....

                                                                    If that is not asking for a war response, then Americans are as pathetic and lazy as they think we are... think about that.

                                                                    • 10 votes
                                                                    #3.3 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:55 PM EST
                                                                    radar015

                                                                    I happened to watch everything (and I mean everything) on TV that happened on 911 including the bringing down of the 47 story building called World Trade Center #7. That building was brought down by controlled demoltion because as the news anchors Brokaw, Rather and Jennings said at the time was in danger of collapsing and had to be brought down for reasons of safety. I watched as those same news anchors then announced the decision had been made and the cameras focused on that building waiting for it to come down. I even called another person into the room to hurry and watch lest they miss another building come down. BBC and CNN even announced the building falling before it fell! Now how could the have done that. That building could not have fallen from anything anyone in Afghanistan could have done, and no building could fall from a few isolated small fires for that matter. In your post you mentioned something about and I'll copy and paste what you wrote: " If that is not asking for a war response, then Americans are as pathetic and lazy as they think we are... think about that. " Some of do think for ourselves! It is you who is not thinking! You believe whatever they tell you to believe and you call that thinking??!! Think for yourself, man!

                                                                    • 7 votes
                                                                    #3.4 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:11 PM EST
                                                                    protoolrobot

                                                                    Re: It is too bad for them, but the U.S. has no business over there.

                                                                    Um. Then why have the US spent billions of dollars in military and CIA operations over there?

                                                                    And why have US companies that have grown rich by exploiting the workers in Haiti not done a thing to alleviatie any of the nation's poverty?

                                                                    Ignorance.

                                                                    • 10 votes
                                                                    #3.5 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:44 PM EST
                                                                    sam-1105479

                                                                    radar015-How does that tin hat feel?

                                                                    That building was brought down by controlled demolition

                                                                    Do you even realize the amount of people that would have to be involved in such a scheme. And then to keep all of them quiet. That is more impossible than your delusional thought process.

                                                                    However, this story is about the tragedy unfolding in Haiti and the tremendous loss of life from this earthquake. So take your conspiracy theories somewhere else. The people of Haiti need our help and prayers right now.

                                                                    • 6 votes
                                                                    #3.6 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:50 PM EST
                                                                    rudy-361417

                                                                    Helping others is an obligation, quit making this about your sorry lives.

                                                                    • 14 votes
                                                                    #3.7 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:25 AM EST
                                                                    radar015

                                                                    I make it a regular practice to give $25.00 to every charity I feel is worthy from polar bears, to SPCA, to Doctors Without Borders, to Smile Train among others this years and before. I usally give a few hundred per year. I will definitely give $25.00 to the first best charity I think will do the most good in Haiti. There are probably at least a million people and probably a lot more who will give at least that. That is $25 million dollars right there. Who here on this message board will promise to at least match me? Maybe I can mulitply what I give to do some real good down there. These people are going to real need it. The focus needs to be on them. So let's hear it: How many here on this message board will match me?

                                                                    • 15 votes
                                                                    #3.8 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:35 AM EST
                                                                    John-393576

                                                                    Helping others is an obligation. I didn't get that memo. They must only give it out to people who can't do things for themselves.

                                                                    • 4 votes
                                                                    #3.9 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:37 AM EST
                                                                    radar015

                                                                    I hate giving away money to charity too, but over the years I've increased it and expect to increase it more. I'll tell you the little trick I use to make me part with my money a little easier: What I do is ask myself if I would rather be on the receiving end or on the giving end of what I give. And I thank my lucky stars not just that I am on the giving end, but also that I can be on the giving end. And I hope I always stay on the giving end and don't some day wind up on the receiving end. And if someday I find myself on the receiving end, don't think for a minute I won't be damn grateful to the person like me who decided to help when he didn't even have to. So, who else will match my $25.00? I already decided, so I'm giving anyway.

                                                                    • 18 votes
                                                                    #3.10 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:53 AM EST
                                                                    OomYaaqub

                                                                    [[Helping others is an obligation. I didn't get that memo.]]

                                                                    Too bad. Most of us got that "memo" in kindergarten as well as from our own parents.

                                                                    • 32 votes
                                                                    #3.11 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:10 AM EST
                                                                    Gamboa

                                                                    I agree w/ radar, it is better to be on the giving side. $25 is not alot of money to give to people that lost everything that was valuable to them. God bless our country and Haiti.

                                                                    • 8 votes
                                                                    #3.12 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:48 AM EST
                                                                    Doug-384925

                                                                    Maybe Haiti will become the next training ground for Al Qaeda if we ignore it.

                                                                    (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Yemen -- all dirt poor countries)

                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                    #3.13 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:27 AM EST
                                                                    ArmyMom-1522913

                                                                    We will donate in this family.

                                                                    • 6 votes
                                                                    #3.14 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:03 AM EST
                                                                    LiliK

                                                                    WOW... When the US has called for help - remember Katrina, Ground Zero - the world sent help too in the way of search teams and volunteers. Now is the time to be practicing GENEROSITY, be it in a physical form or simply of spirit, to your neighbour or to those who are so obviously in need as in Haiti, especially after this disaster. When any country is this devastated, it is going to be an uphill battle to rebuild. Due to the four major hurricanes in 2008, 70% of crops were destroyed and arable land damaged, 22000 building destroyed beyond repair. 46% of Haitians did not have a reliable source of drinking water before the quake. [all figures from CNN] You weren't starting with a country that was in good shape before the earthquake. There are/were 9 million people in Haiti - its a small section of the island - and the people in Port-o-Prince will not be the only ones affected. One can only hope that the World get in there before cholera and other diseases become epidemic, and before the populaion starts to move across the boarder and into the Dominican Republic.

                                                                    OPUS-P - When 9/11 happened, US airplanes landed on foreign soil all over the world. Their passengers were taken into private homes and communities around the globe and cared for until they could go home. The opportunities to provide assistance to the US are so much smaller. Your are talking about a country that has an infrastructure and where a major disaster in one area is extremely unlikely to affect the entire nation.

                                                                    • 13 votes
                                                                    #3.15 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:42 AM EST
                                                                    sighber

                                                                    Truth be Told and Opus_p,

                                                                    If this is the level of your humanity then go live somewhere else. You are disgusting, heartless and greedy. Helping others is an American tradition but more importantly it is the right thing to do.

                                                                    • 8 votes
                                                                    #3.16 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:25 AM EST
                                                                    davenaly

                                                                    John 393576 Ever hear of the "golden rule" do unto others as you would have done unto you? Or I suppose if your friends and family were trapped in a big pile of smoldering rubble you wouldn't want anyone to come to your aid either??

                                                                    • 10 votes
                                                                    #3.17 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:28 AM EST
                                                                    danvass

                                                                    Jean-Baptist-Point Du Sable was a black pioneer, trader and founder of the settlement that later became the city of Chicago.

                                                                    Du Sable, was from St. Marc, Haiti. His French father had moved there and married a Black woman, he is believed to have been a freeborn. Around the 1770s he went to the Great Lakes area of North America, settling on the shore of Lake Michigan at the mouth of the Chicago River, with his Potawatomi wife, Kittihawa (Catherine). His defiance to the crown led to his arrest in 1779 by the British, who took him to Fort Mackinac. There he managed a trading post called the Pinery on the St. Clair River in present-day Michigan, after which he returned to the site of Chicago. By 1790 he establishment an important link in the region's fur and grain trade. In 1800 he sold out and moved to Missouri, where he continued as a farmer and trader until his death. But his 20-year residence on the shores of Lake Michigan had established his title as Father of Chicago. Jean Du Sable died Aug. 28th 1818 in St. Charles, Mo.
                                                                    America was built on immigration! So to turn a blind eye on Haiti in its time of need as some of you selfish commentors are hinting is morally wrong. There are Haitians who are in the US Military! Help will pour in from the rest of the world including the USA! Even when you don't have much you have to share with those in dire need. We can't let the bad seeds that comment hate in Newvine represent our thinking. They are morally dead with nothing for brains. Gop help the people of Haiti and some of you commentors in Newvine who really needs it.

                                                                    • 11 votes
                                                                    #3.18 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:30 AM EST
                                                                    cpw777

                                                                    I agree 100%. The U.S. is good enough when they need us, but only then. I,for one, am sick and tired of being raked over the coals for living in the greatest country in the world, but who does the world look to when trouble happens? I say let the U.N. step up to the plate, and leave us the hell alone. We have our own problems to straighten out.

                                                                    • 6 votes
                                                                    #3.19 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:23 AM EST
                                                                    Meg-267733

                                                                    Too bad for them? Are you kidding? This government is partly responsible for creating the mess in Hati.
                                                                    It supported both Duvalliers... Remember Papa Doc and his son Baby Doc. This caused a mass exodus of professionals and service workers from Hati. The US then supported Aristeide (sp) who turned out to be yet another crook...and to my shame, a Catholic priest. How can any country thrive when its coffers are constantly looted??? The US owes Hati. I have seen the poverty. The world needs to pull together to help them out of this awful mess and so far it is happening. I am just terribly sorry for the loss of life and limb. Kindness is what is in order right now. We can go back to our political haggling later. This is a true emergency.

                                                                    • 5 votes
                                                                    #3.20 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:11 AM EST
                                                                    Ecoman-1306040

                                                                    I agree that the US is so far in debt it can not help the poor overpopulated Haiti. Plus we are so over full we can't take any of them in. Overpopulation is here, too.

                                                                    • 5 votes
                                                                    #3.21 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:44 AM EST
                                                                    Gramps-1235375

                                                                    A partial list of the countries that offered the US aid after Katrina:

                                                                    Aid offered by foreign countries and groups to help the U.S. with Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, according to the State Department:

                                                                    • Afghanistan: $100,000
                                                                    • Albania: $300,000 pledged
                                                                    • Armenia: $200,000 pledged
                                                                    • Australia: $7.6 million
                                                                    • Austria: tarps, camp beds
                                                                    • Azerbaijan: $500,000
                                                                    • Bahamas: $50,000 pledged
                                                                    • Bahrain: $5 million pledged
                                                                    • Bangladesh: $1 million pledged
                                                                    • Belgium: operations teams, generators, water pumps, nine-member logistical team to work with the Red Cross
                                                                    • Bosnia/Herzegovina: $6,414 pledged
                                                                    • Cambodia: $20,000 pledged
                                                                    • Canada: $5 million pledged to the hurricane relief fund headed by former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, two Griffin helicopters, search and rescue teams, Air Canada evacuation flights, supplies, security team, three Canadian forces ships with three Sea King helicopters
                                                                    • China: $5.1 million, 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets
                                                                    • Cyprus: $50,000
                                                                    • Djibouti: $50,000 pledged
                                                                    • Equatorial Guinea: $500,000 pledged
                                                                    • Eupropean Commission: Civil Protection Cooperative Mechanism activated
                                                                    • France: 600 tents, supplies
                                                                    • Gabon: $500,000 pledged
                                                                    • Georgia: $50,000
                                                                    • Germany: high-speed pumps, supplies
                                                                    • Greece: two cruise ships
                                                                    • Hungary: $5,000
                                                                    • Iceland: $500,000 pledged to the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund
                                                                    • International Committee of the Red Cross: Web-based tracking system for displaced people
                                                                    • India: $5 million; 3,000 each of personal-hygiene kits, blankets and sheets; 150 tarps
                                                                    • Iraq: $1 million pledged to the Red Cross via the Red Crescent
                                                                    • Ireland: $1 million euro (about $1.24 million U.S.)
                                                                    • Italy: generators, water pumps and purifiers, tents, supplies
                                                                    • Japan: $200,000, $844,000 in supplies and private pledges of more than $1 million
                                                                    • Kenya: $100,000
                                                                    • Kuwait: $100 million plus an additional $400 million in oil products
                                                                    • Malaysia: $1 million to the Red Cross
                                                                    • Maldives: $25,000 to the Red Cross
                                                                    • Mauritania: $200,000 from the American Mauritania Business Council to the Red Cross
                                                                    • Mexico: 45 truckloads of supplies, transport vehicles, two field kitchens, two helicopters
                                                                    • Mongolia: $50,000 pledged
                                                                    • Morocco: $500,000 pledged
                                                                    • Nepal: $25,000 pledged
                                                                    • Netherlands: Levee inspection team to assist Army Corps of Engineers, water pumps, frigate
                                                                    • New Zealand: $1.4 million to the Red Cross
                                                                    • Nigeria: $1 million pledged
                                                                    • Norway: $1.54 million in cash and supplies
                                                                    • Oman: $15 million
                                                                    • Organization of American States: $25,000, created fund for donations from member states to the International Committee of the Red Cross
                                                                    • Pakistan: $1 million pledged to the Red Cross, supplies
                                                                    • Palau: $50,000 pledged plus $50,000 donor drive
                                                                    • Papua New Guinea: $10,000 to the Red Cross
                                                                    • Qatar: $100 million pledged
                                                                    • Republic of Korea: $30 million, supplies
                                                                    • Russia: air transport, generators, tents, blankets, water, water pumps, supplies
                                                                    • Sao Tome and Principe: $18,000 pledged
                                                                    • Saudi Arabia: $5 million from Aramco, $250,000 from AGFUND
                                                                    • Singapore: four helicopters
                                                                    • Spain: relief supplies
                                                                    • Sri Lanka: $25,000 to the Red Cross
                                                                    • Sweden: telecommunications equipment
                                                                    • Taiwan: $2 million, supplies
                                                                    • Thailand: blankets, supplies
                                                                    • United Arab Emirates: $100 million pledged
                                                                    • Uganda: $200,000 pledged
                                                                    • United Kingdom: relief supplies
                                                                    • Venezuela: up to $1 million to the Red Cross and state governments
                                                                    • Vietnam: $100,000 to victims
                                                                    • Yemen: $100,000 to the Red Cross

                                                                    SOURCE: State Department

                                                                    • 31 votes
                                                                    #3.22 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:44 AM EST
                                                                    Kane497

                                                                    good post! Thank you for enlightening me.

                                                                    • 6 votes
                                                                    #3.23 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:48 AM EST
                                                                    LJeaDeleted
                                                                    Allen-968499

                                                                    Holy crap was that Gramps making a post with actual data and not just righ wing bashing? Earthquakes and now this?!

                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                    #3.25 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:03 AM EST
                                                                    Gramps-1235375

                                                                    Allen, since you requested the rest of the story:

                                                                    Allies offered $854 million in cash and in oil that was to be sold for cash. But only $40 million has been used so far for disaster victims or reconstruction, according to U.S. officials and contractors. Most of the aid went uncollected, including $400 million worth of oil. Some offers were withdrawn or redirected to private groups such as the Red Cross. The rest has been delayed by red tape and bureaucratic limits on how it can be spent.

                                                                    In addition, valuable supplies and services -- such as cellphone systems, medicine and cruise ships -- were delayed or declined because the government could not handle them. In some cases, supplies were wasted.

                                                                    The struggle to apply foreign aid in the aftermath of the hurricane, which has cost U.S. taxpayers more than $125 billion so far, is another reminder of the federal government's difficulty leading the recovery. Reports of government waste and delays or denials of assistance have surfaced repeatedly since hurricanes Katrina and Rita struck in 2005.

                                                                    Administration officials acknowledged in February 2006 that they were ill prepared to coordinate and distribute foreign aid and that only about half the $126 million received had been put to use. Now, 20 months after Katrina, newly released documents and interviews make clear the magnitude of the troubles.

                                                                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113.html

                                                                    In another instance, the Department of Homeland Security accepted an offer from Greece on Sept. 3, 2005, to dispatch two cruise ships that could be used free as hotels or hospitals for displaced residents. The deal was rescinded Sept. 15 after it became clear a ship would not arrive before Oct. 10. The U.S. eventually paid $249 million to use Carnival Cruise Lines vessels.

                                                                    And while television sets worldwide showed images of New Orleans residents begging to be rescued from rooftops as floodwaters rose, U.S. officials turned down countless offers of allied troops and search-and-rescue teams. The most common responses: "sent letter of thanks" and "will keep offer on hand," the new documents show.

                                                                    Overall, the United States declined 54 of 77 recorded aid offers from three of its staunchest allies: Canada, Britain and Israel, according to a 40-page State Department table of the offers that had been received as of January 2006.

                                                                    • 9 votes
                                                                    #3.26 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:00 PM EST
                                                                    LiliK

                                                                    CPW77 - with regards to the UN. There are/were some 9,000 peace keeping troops on thr ground there. More than three-quarters have not been accounted for yet. The head of the mission and the senior UN people were in the HQ when in collapsed (it was built to California earthquake standards) and are presumed dead. Brazil's figures are that about half of their 1200 troops are presumed dead and the same for China... Spend some time reading the news before you mouth off!

                                                                      #3.27 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:19 PM EST
                                                                      jmanges05

                                                                      You dont have to spend any money, I'll go for free. Again, anyone that knows how to get in touch with the groups going down there, contact me at justinmanges05@hotmail.com.

                                                                        #3.28 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:39 PM EST
                                                                        whoknowws

                                                                        Doug maybe God is trying to shake these people up so that they become followers of Jesus. An earthquake can be spiritual when you feel that kind of power. I was in a smaller one in calif.. but it slill vilently shook the building just not so long.Its the lengh of time of the shaking that does the damage. I can asure you God is on the scenne and he changinging lives.

                                                                          #3.29 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:50 PM EST
                                                                          Josh-304951

                                                                          That entire comment, and the suggestion that not only is there a god but that he uses natural disasters to lure people to believe in his existence is not only illogical, unfounded, and unprovable, it is immoral. This is the kind of sickly, sophomoric thinking that religious people espouse in order to make sense of our natural world. It is false. It is misleading. It is without a shred of evidence. Such ideas exist only in the minds of the superstitious and credulous.

                                                                          Also, if there were in fact a god or divine creator of any sort, the bastard has some serious explaining to do.

                                                                          • 5 votes
                                                                          #3.30 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:55 PM EST
                                                                          tyler

                                                                          You sound so stupid I bet you look stupid. If we keep allowing gays/lesbian have they way we will be almost wiped off the map too. So, thank about that, but for now you better count your blessing while you can.

                                                                          3.24 deleted, was LJea trolling and off-topic. You're suspended for a week for violating #1 and #4 of the Code of Honor.

                                                                          • 5 votes
                                                                          #3.31 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:44 PM EST
                                                                          lilegend

                                                                          Agreed. Just 2 months ago the Haitians down here in Miami were complaining and saying the US is wrong and bashing us but now they are demanding our help. The American citizens should be the ones demanding help from our Government. But it won't happen, America will continue to help the world's poor and forget about the poor and homeless children on its own soil. There will naturally be a big influx of boatloads of Haitians fleeing to Miami, but where are we to put them? Where will they live once they get here? Where will they work when Americans can't even find jobs? I digress

                                                                          • 5 votes
                                                                          #3.32 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:55 PM EST
                                                                          Hope-295312

                                                                          radar015 - I can't afford $25 but I'll match your charity and compassion - I've put five dollars in the envelope. It's going out to CARE today. I've sent them $5 several times a year and feel they are trustworthy.

                                                                          I wish I could do more but as small as $5 is it WILL mean a lot to some kids in Haiti who just need a hug and some hot soup with their parents tonight.

                                                                          Bless you!

                                                                          • 4 votes
                                                                          #3.33 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:07 PM EST
                                                                          Keith D. Smith

                                                                          there are many, many american firms making products in haiti, paying workers between 25cents and a dollars a day for 8 hours of work--and you buy those products from many large american stores smilling at the bargains you got. the american govt, upholds the haitian govt largely because the haitian govt violent puts down worker groups who are trying to make more mainstream wages (by your post, i assume you agree that early $2 should be more than enough for "those people" (did you have ancestors that owned slaves too?)

                                                                          The american govt already gives lots of money to the haitian govt and corporate supporters of the haitian govt give govt official large bribes to hold the status quo.

                                                                          And you turn around and blame the haitian people for their own plight.....very american.

                                                                          • 4 votes
                                                                          #3.34 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:25 PM EST
                                                                          G. H.

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                                                                          • 2 votes
                                                                          #3.35 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST
                                                                          cpw777

                                                                          LiliK, I have a right to my own opinion. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong. You are very rude.

                                                                            #3.36 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:47 PM EST
                                                                            lead foot momma

                                                                            Mr. Smith,

                                                                            I empathize with your beliefs but I'm thinking your barking up the wrong tree. This is not about numbers on the New York exchange or what your 401K is doing. This is about human suffering. Please try to keep up.

                                                                            • 2 votes
                                                                            #3.37 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:30 PM EST
                                                                            JeminiJanuary

                                                                            Haiti needs assistance not money

                                                                              #3.38 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:57 AM EST
                                                                              JeminiJanuary

                                                                              I just want to know how many people on here understand that Osama Bin Laden was considered a war hero for the US in 1975 and rewarded for it?

                                                                              Facts not fiction...take the time to research something instead of watching something and listening. You can be lied to by having a limited knowledge of US history. Just o the research THEn come to your conclusions.

                                                                              -PEACE-

                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                              #3.39 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:05 AM EST
                                                                              Sally-1456674

                                                                              Megan, You are wrong. The WTC was NOT attacked by Afghan terrorists. They were Saudis. Please fact check yourself before posting nonsense.

                                                                              • 7 votes
                                                                              #3.40 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:54 AM EST
                                                                              Bruce Mclaughlin USN Ret..

                                                                              They were Al Qaeda- mostly Saudis(as is Bin Laden) . but They were trained in Afganistan and here(the "pilots").

                                                                              • 3 votes
                                                                              #3.41 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:21 PM EST
                                                                              joeyfromcali

                                                                              You know when California gets hit (San Andreas fault) I could only hope that this kind of relief happens. Best wishes for Haiti and all its people. The overwhelming support for a Nation this small is really Awesome.

                                                                              There are allot of folks on here ranting about just idiotic stuff. Not even related to the Crisis and the Humanity being shown by the world not just us the USA. I really do not care what religion country race anyone is. When it comes down to it Humans respond.

                                                                              Just an idea for future Earthquakes for speedy shelters the following link would be a great Idea.

                                                                              http://earthbagbuilding.com/

                                                                              The more that know about this type of building the better even if temporary it is a quick solution for shelter.

                                                                              • 4 votes
                                                                              #3.42 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:22 PM EST
                                                                              joeyfromcali

                                                                              Really to the posts below I support our commander in chief even if I disagree with some of his choices.This thread is not about who supports or does not support the President it is about people dying. You are clueless cowards!!! Taking cheap pot shots. Even if we (I) do not agree with a certain religion or political party. This is about humans dying and trying to help kids and women from dying. Your disregard is foul at best.

                                                                              • 9 votes
                                                                              #3.43 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:32 PM EST
                                                                              oldnewgrad,RN

                                                                              They spent bilions keeping the despot ruling duvalier (papa doc and baby doc) families in power. the duvliers and company looted the country and finally left with an unknown but at least in the hundreds of millions in swiss banks.Where are the duvaliers onthe Riviera? Can they pitch in now?

                                                                              so the USA have had some complicity in the conditions in Haiti. That is what foreign aid often is not disaster or direct aid to the people in need.

                                                                              We are suffering a decline in our economic situation we are not yet destitute and are able to help and we will.Those of us that are human and still have compassion.

                                                                              • 2 votes
                                                                              #3.44 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:29 PM EST
                                                                              david-475776

                                                                              radar015 - We're in the mess we're in because we stuck our noses where they didn't belong. The people of Afghanistan and Iraq didn't ask us to invade them.

                                                                              Completely off topic, but since you want to go there how about looking at United Nations Resolutions pertaining to Afghanistan and Iraq. Especially, here since this is a United Nations Mission consisting of US, NATO, ISAF Forces, and the same is true with Iraq (as to why even the Japanese were there).

                                                                              It is my hope that other countries will "stick their noses where they didn't belong", like stateside in the event of a natural or man made disaster to save the lives of ignorant people like you, irregardless of some of the US Laws that forbid, inhibit, or restrict Foreign "interventions", assistance or Foreign Military Assistance Operations within the US (regarding Gramps-1235375 post), much to the detriment of US Citizens.

                                                                              And radar015 you directly or indirectly benefitted from the warmongers, and military industrial complex. Think about that US Contractor Truck Driver making over $200,000 a year driving an Oil Tanker Truck. One the oil you got/get. Two, not contributing to US Unemployment. Three, "trickle up economics" with the US Contractor Truck Driver's paycheck being direct deposited and money spent in the US. Four, US Military must buy US Only Products, Goods, Services, meaning "Made In USA" even if it is made at GOGO or GOCO Nationwide Factories/Plants using Union Labor.

                                                                              You are a Warmonger of the Military Industrial Complex directly or indirectly, like it or not.

                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                              #3.45 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:37 PM EST
                                                                              david-475776

                                                                              I would like to believe that there are no Political Repercussions. However, think about this.

                                                                              April 2009 Defense Appropriation Cuts. One less USN Aircraft Carrier Battle Group and associated support vessels (and facilities).

                                                                              Result one less USN Aircraft Carrier Battle Group. Meaning one less USN Aircraft Carrier Battle Group to be "on station". For War or situations like this. Meaning redeployment of other resources from further locations. Meaning not being capable of responding within the immediate critical times after a disaster, resulting in more secondary deaths.

                                                                              If you do not know what a USN Aircraft Carrier Battle Group is capable of doing to support a disaster relief effort go research it.

                                                                              It is what it is and you get what you get.

                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                              #3.46 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:03 PM EST
                                                                              Bush & Cheney

                                                                              i still think that the other countries sandbag because the wait and know that we are going to foot the bill. where was everyone else for NO. No where to be found.

                                                                                #3.47 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:08 PM EST
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                                                                                dandr004Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                                                I'm gonna wait and see when these Republicans start to blame Obama on this one...

                                                                                • 14 votes
                                                                                #4 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:14 PM EST
                                                                                Unknown0080

                                                                                Prejudice much? A disaster has happened and all you can do is joke about it? A bit cruel. I would like to think that if any family member or friend is reading Newsvine they wouldn't find a death of a loved one to be a mockery.

                                                                                • 22 votes
                                                                                #4.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:24 PM EST
                                                                                Rhazes

                                                                                He has a point Unknown, I'm sure a few teabaggers will be posting here blaming Obama soon enough. They was blaming him for Balloon boy and Tiger Woods. No doubt this thread will have someone blaming gays as well claiming they have the power to summon natural disasters.

                                                                                • 10 votes
                                                                                #4.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:47 PM EST
                                                                                TycironiDeleted
                                                                                Meagan Adams

                                                                                Wow, there are seriously still people in America who actually support Obama? You DO realize that 65% of the country does NOT support him... less than 30% DO, and the remainder are "undecided...."

                                                                                • 14 votes
                                                                                #4.4 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:57 PM EST
                                                                                Opus_P

                                                                                less than 30% DO, and the remainder are "undecided...."

                                                                                ......correct...they can't decide if they hate Obama...or if they really, really, really hate him.

                                                                                • 11 votes
                                                                                #4.5 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:14 PM EST
                                                                                Bob-809876

                                                                                Thats because the people of america had been brain washed by the media!

                                                                                • 8 votes
                                                                                #4.6 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:53 PM EST
                                                                                radar015

                                                                                Meagan is referring to the recent poll CBS poll on whether they support Obama on his Health Bill. It wasn't on whether they approve of Obama himself. That Health Bill was a joke and even I don't agree he did a good job with that. And I am not sure I support Obama either anymore. He is too much like bush in that he didn't deliver that change he promised! I think most Americans who once like me supported Obama and voted for him aren't so keen on Obama anymore - he is too much like bush! This is why he is losing support. If Obama doesn't become the Obama he was before he was elected and continues degenerating even lower into becoming another bush, then that 65 against - 30 for, for him personally will become a reality. This country doesn't want bush or another bush, no matter what race he is or how nice he gives speeches.

                                                                                • 7 votes
                                                                                #4.7 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:16 AM EST
                                                                                chris-1189701

                                                                                The Obama on the campaign trail was a dreamer. He promised everybody everything. Well, like you said, he is now wearing Bushes shoes and facing the day to day realities and problems government face. He really did not have any solutions, he just said that to get elected. Worse he came from Chicago, a city where he played a part in governing. It is a mess, not just political corruption, not just organized crime but a economic disaster. That well could be the fate of the whole country if Chicago is an example of Change.

                                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                                #4.8 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:16 AM EST
                                                                                Sherri-272343

                                                                                Below is a CNN poll that took place yesterday:

                                                                                Quick vote

                                                                                How do you rate President Obama's first year in office?

                                                                                Success 42%

                                                                                Failure 40%

                                                                                Don't know 18%

                                                                                Total votes: 281547

                                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                                #4.9 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:52 AM EST
                                                                                danvassExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                                                u bet they will, darn RepubliKKKans!

                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                #4.10 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:32 AM EST
                                                                                pete-1232067

                                                                                I'm wondering how long it will take for someone to hope that the federal government doesn't screw up aid to Haiti like it did for the victims of Katrina.

                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                #4.11 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:22 AM EST
                                                                                cpw777

                                                                                Oh, they will most likely blame Bush...

                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                #4.12 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:24 AM EST
                                                                                Allen-968499

                                                                                dandr004

                                                                                I'm gonna wait and see when these Republicans start to blame Obama on this one...

                                                                                Wow. You have no clue what the parties even stand for do you? I hope you don't vote. You guys are really showing your colors and priorities today too using a huge natural disaster as a chance to bash Christians and republicans.

                                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                                #4.13 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:05 AM EST
                                                                                FedUp-1094255

                                                                                Sniff sniff. I cry but only for your selective reading skills.

                                                                                  #4.14 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:37 PM EST
                                                                                  jmanges05

                                                                                  Read the article, picture the disaster in your head, and see if you would still joke about it. Put yourself in those ppls shoes. If anyone knows how to get in touch with the groups going down there please contact me at justinmanges05@hotmail.com.

                                                                                    #4.15 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:42 PM EST
                                                                                    Keith D. Smith

                                                                                    tsk, tsk, tsk. a city of 2 million in shambles, 100,000 dead and we banter about obama. Actually his apporval rating is 56% (not 65% but some republicans do suffer from dyslexia). And, no, he hasn't delivered on all campaign promises. Quick tell the the name of the last President who did deliver?...hmmmm. didn't think you could.

                                                                                    Lots of this is veiled racism but.....like it or not Barak Hussein Obama is the leader of the free world--all of it. And most countries in the world still look at the US in awe that such a person would be freely elected by about 2 out of 3 voters. Keep in mind, that people who look like him have only been free to vote, in all states, since 1965, 189 years after the Declaration of Independence.

                                                                                    • 5 votes
                                                                                    #4.16 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:33 PM EST
                                                                                    G. H.

                                                                                    Hey, Viners............You can donate your Newvine earnings! Go to Top News Front page Thanks! ♥

                                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                                    #4.17 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:19 PM EST
                                                                                    JeminiJanuary

                                                                                    Check your facts Megan. Research instead of Listening to what is said. People's Parents told them about tooth fairies, the Easter rabbit and Santa Clause....is it too far fetched to believe it's the same theory with the World Trade Center and the War In Iraq?

                                                                                    No don't answer I have the paperwork to prove it's all a lie...OFFICIAL PAPERWORK!

                                                                                    Oh and anyone can find it you just have to learn instead of look. Learn your facts before speaking it makes you sound ridiculous and ignorant.

                                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                                    #4.18 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:00 AM EST
                                                                                    joeyfromcali

                                                                                    Just because so many are against Obama I will vote for him again. Why I like voting for the underdog they seem to do a better job. This thread is not about politics it is about human biengs trying to survive extreme conditions.

                                                                                    God help us when this type of thing happens again in the USA

                                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                                    #4.19 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:22 PM EST
                                                                                    david-475776

                                                                                    I would like to believe that there are no Political Repercussions. However, think about this.

                                                                                    April 2009 Defense Appropriation Cuts. One less US Aircraft Carrier Battle Group and associated support vessels (and facilities).

                                                                                    Result one less US Aircraft Carrier Battle Group. Meaning one less US Aircraft Carrier Battle Group to be "on station". For War or situations like this. Meaning redeployment of other resources from further locations. Meaning not being capable of responding within the immediate critical times after a disaster, resulting in more secondary deaths.

                                                                                    It is what it is and you get what you got.

                                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                                    #4.20 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:58 PM EST
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                                                                                    m-blankenship

                                                                                    God bless Nusha My blessings go out as well.

                                                                                      Reply#5 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:17 PM EST
                                                                                      walter17

                                                                                      that place is out of control! i'm no expert but from what the news reports the people there have overpopulated the island and using every last resource that creating a third world africa transplant.

                                                                                      i will send my prayers too.

                                                                                      • 9 votes
                                                                                      #6 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:18 PM EST
                                                                                      whatanoddguy

                                                                                      No, that's not true at all. Read up on Haiti, it's the worlds only country created by a successful slave rebellion. Their history is fascinating. The reason that they are poor is because they are descended from slaves and for much of their history were cut off from the rest of the world by a French naval blockade. Then they were ruled by a succession of dictators, their one good leader (Jean Aristide) was removed from power in a US backed coup, and replaced by the street gangs that now pass for government. Blaming the people of Haiti for their situation is cruel and ignorant.

                                                                                      • 20 votes
                                                                                      #6.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:51 PM EST
                                                                                      J.D.Still

                                                                                      whatanoddguy

                                                                                      Very true, most Americans do not realize how much we owe the Haitians, Napolean was intent on occupying the territory which we call the Louisianna Purchase, He was sending an army here to do exactly that, led by General Jacques Leclerc, but on the way he had been ordered to stop off on the Island of Santo Domingo to put down a rebellion of former slaves, but the resistance was so fierce and cost France so heavily , Napolean was forced to abandon his plan and sell the land to the United States. If it were not for the people of Haiti Our country and the way we live could have been very different.

                                                                                      • 15 votes
                                                                                      #6.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:56 PM EST
                                                                                      J.D.Still

                                                                                      As an addendum I forgot to mention there was also a 750 man unit of Volunteer Haitian troops who fought alongside American troops during our Revolution in our hour of need.

                                                                                      • 10 votes
                                                                                      #6.3 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:15 PM EST
                                                                                      hilobamacaine

                                                                                      well if napolean had made it france would have had to deal with katrina,that would have been one difference

                                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                                      #6.4 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:22 PM EST
                                                                                      Jeff34781

                                                                                      whatanoddguy is correct. Haiti is in the situation it is because of exploitation from the rest of the world. The U.S. has done everything it could to make sure that the country stays destabilized and poor. Please learn the facts before blaming the people of Haiti for conditions that exist their.

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                                                                                      #6.5 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:10 AM EST
                                                                                      BJK-798627

                                                                                      It's always easy to give a one sided account of a nation's history.

                                                                                      Yes, Haiti was the only successful slave rebellion in the Western Hemisphere.

                                                                                      But things went downhill from there. Rather than build a sustainable economy after the rebellion, the few wealthy people left consolidated their power and pushed the poor people into less fertile, mountainous areas.

                                                                                      Then came more waste in the form of military adventurism. Haiti took over the Dominican Republic for several years in the mid-1800's.

                                                                                      By the dawn of the 20th century, both countries on Hispanola had become like many other impoverished Caribbean islands with a high birth rate, high unemployment, a limited resource base, and a succession of brutal, dictatorial governments.

                                                                                      In contrast to the Dominican Republic, Haiti's population grew more rapidly, proceeded to deforest their part of the island by the early 1900's, and the standard of living has declined ever since. On top of this, foreign investment in Haiti was negligible until the 1950's, partially due to the stereotype of Haiti as an African outpost hostile to Europeans and whites in general.

                                                                                      Unlike Haiti, the Dominican Republic took steps to preserve some of its forests, has had far more political stability compared to Haiti, and was able to attract more investment, immigration, and tourism from Europe.

                                                                                      These factors resulted in many of the disparities that exist between the two countries today.

                                                                                      • 7 votes
                                                                                      #6.6 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:15 AM EST
                                                                                      bonos_rama

                                                                                      "the people there have overpopulated the island and using every last resource that creating a third world "

                                                                                      Overpopulation is occurring in far too many countries. So is using every last resource. Most humans are guilty of both of these. Nobody wants to face it until it's too late, though.

                                                                                      Either way, I wish them well and hope they get the aid they need, both monetary and non-monetary.

                                                                                      • 8 votes
                                                                                      #6.7 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:36 AM EST
                                                                                      Keith D. Smith

                                                                                      interesting analysis BJK. I teach African American Studies at the university level and both accounts of haiti's early history here are true. The great napoleon, remembering that france lost all of lower canada in 1759, was so dispondent that the great french military machine was defeated by a group of upstart slaves that he practically gave us the Louisiana Territory and, in doing so, doubled the land area of the US.

                                                                                      Build a sustainable economy after the revolution? Hmmmm. what planet are you from again? The US eventually became the dominant economic force in the region because about 1.5 trilllion dollars (in 2000 dollars) went unpaid to the labor that produced goods (primarily cotton after about 1850 or so), enriching the pockets of the producers by the aforesaid amout to be re-invested and augmented no doubt. Also, do you really think that the "great democracies" of europe would have engaged in normal free trade with a nation that (even right now as i type this) is 95% black? (the oher 5% are mixed race or white). That would have been unusual because, in this country, blacks were not even considered human beings, so I can't imagine you would consider them business partners.

                                                                                      The US and other european nations did do something with haiti. They joined the minority landed elite there (some of whom were of african descent) and consprired with such 'installed' governments to make haiti a busness and manufacturing paradise. Even today, right now., americans buy billions of dollars in goods (at bargain prices at places like The Gap and Wal-mart and Sears) produced in factories employing children and where all the numbers in a daily wage fit on the right side of the decimal point.

                                                                                      Some of what you wrote here is true, but i can tell in places where you had no real scholarly (or any) background, you just "spakled in and painted over."

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                                                                                      #6.8 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM EST
                                                                                      BJK-798627

                                                                                      Where to begin...

                                                                                      The great napoleon, remembering that france lost all of lower canada in 1759, was so dispondent that the great french military machine was defeated by a group of upstart slaves that he practically gave us the Louisiana Territory and, in doing so, doubled the land area of the US.

                                                                                      The slaves had a powerful ally in the form of malaria. They had some resistance to malaria; the French army had none.

                                                                                      The main reason Napoleon sold the Louisiana purchase to the U.S. was out of desperation for cash. As a devout warmonger in the European tradition, Napoleon's obsession was the conquest of Europe, not trying to colonize a thinly populated area like the Louisiana territory.

                                                                                      Build a sustainable economy after the revolution?

                                                                                      That's a recurring theme in history. Countries from France to Russia to China have grappled with that question, some more successfully than others.

                                                                                      Also, do you really think that the "great democracies" of europe would have engaged in normal free trade with a nation that (even right now as i type this) is 95% black?

                                                                                      For starters, in the early 1800's the only quasi democratic country among the powers of Europe was Great Britain. The British traded with, and often stole from, anyone who had anything they wanted.

                                                                                      Racial background had little to do with willingness to trade. Look at how the British and Dutch East India companies dominated European trade with Asia. They knew their counterparts in India, China, and Indonesia weren't white; the only color that mattered to them was green.

                                                                                      In Africa (where some kingdoms were 100% black), the Europeans traded for ivory, gold, and, prior to 1800, slaves. This pattern of trade continued until around1850, when the scramble for Africa began.

                                                                                      The concept of free or fair trade with developing countries, would would not emerge as a global priority until the 20th century, once the old colonial empires were dismantled.

                                                                                      In the case of Haiti, the French bore a grudge against them for the successful uprising. According to Jared Diamond's book "Collapse," Haiti had been France's single greatest source of wealth in the New World, accounting for 25% of France's annual income.

                                                                                      Nonetheless, an even greater barrier to trade and economic development in Haiti, as well as in the Caribbean and Latin America was internal instability - an inability to transfer power peacefully from one administration to a succeeding one. Coups and assassinations became the rule in much of the region.

                                                                                      As for European trade with the Americas, the U.S. took a hands off approach unless a European power challenged the Monroe Doctrine and tried to expand its influence militarily. The one case I can think of was Maximillian's short lived invasion of Mexico in the 1860's.

                                                                                      Didn't mean to give such a long winded response, but I hope I gave you some food for thought.

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                                                                                      #6.9 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:33 AM EST
                                                                                      joeyfromcali

                                                                                      This just has to be said !!! When Europeans where having 7 to 9 kids on the Farm here in the states it was ok. Rather it was needed to help a family survive in the Savage wild we now call the United States. Oh but now that the whites have occupied a nation with mass genocide to the Natives and claimed land that was stolen YES stolen by murder, Germ warfare Small pocks blankets and the like.

                                                                                      Well now some colored people are wrong for populating a country they OWN. I bet every single post that sites over population is by either some whitewashed idiot or some white person themselves.

                                                                                      FACE IT white is not right the world has more colored people than white and you have lost the Race war you so often want to fight. I for one am sick of it. The world and Genetics are calling for darker skin. I am light skinned and know this and really hope everyone mixes and ends your white fantasy.

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #6.10 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:57 PM EST
                                                                                      Volker Hildebrandt

                                                                                      I feel pity with the inhabitants of Haiti and donated. Another matter is why black scholars , Haiti and all black nations and towns are all over the world always blame Whites for their miserable progress. When I see a black states thriving because of their own ingenuity and industriousness I will change my opion that it is the mentality and attitude of blacks that are the main cause of their deplorable conditions.

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                                                                                      #6.11 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:16 PM EST
                                                                                      Volker Hildebrandt

                                                                                      Th distorting comments by Keith D. Smith just show that he is the same sort of leftist "intellectual" like that miscreant professor who blamed the occupant- victims of 911 for the terror attack. And such creeps teach " African Studies" poisoning the mind of students with their insane babbling!

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                                                                                      #6.12 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:23 PM EST
                                                                                      BJK-798627

                                                                                      Well now some colored people are wrong for populating a country they OWN.

                                                                                      No one is saying they should stop having children altogether. The main observation is that virtually every time a group of people overpopulates a small area, the results are all too predictable. The environment suffers, poverty becomes rampant, and any hope for progress fades rapidly.

                                                                                      Haiti is a microcosm of this phenomenon. For more dramatic evidence, look at Egypt, Bangladesh, or Calcutta, India. Has the standard of living improved in any of these places? For a few people it has, but for the vast majority of the population it has stagnated or declined.

                                                                                      Not all, but most of this decline is directly connected to unsustainable population growth.

                                                                                      I bet every single post that sites over population is by either some whitewashed idiot or some white person themselves.

                                                                                      Does it matter who points out something if it's glaringly obvious? Have you heard of Thomas Malthus by any chance? I'll help you. He's a dead white male, but it's the message that's important, not the messenger.

                                                                                      Here's a better question to ponder: Which country is in better shape, esp. economically - China or Brazil? Both are large and have abundant resources. China has 5 or 6 times Brazil's current population, but Brazil's population (around 200 million people) is still growing exponentially. China has a one child policy in the cities and a two child policy everywhere else.

                                                                                      Now extrapolate the trend into the future, say to the year 2050.

                                                                                      China's population will have leveled off or even declined slightly whereas Brazil's may be pushing 400 million.

                                                                                      The effects on the standard of living will be quite predictable. The Chinese will form the world's largest middle class; conversely, Brazil will probably remain home to the world's largest slums.

                                                                                      And Joeyfromcali - newsflash - 99.99% of China's population is not white. Shocker.

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                                                                                      #6.13 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:07 PM EST
                                                                                      joeyfromcali

                                                                                      BJK-798627 wow I am glad that you have put yourself into GOD's shoes and can make that judgement. While we live in a so called free society and can have as many children as we want. (or by your standards can afford)

                                                                                        #6.14 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:14 PM EST
                                                                                        BJK-798627

                                                                                        What judgment? An observation is not a judgment.

                                                                                        You are entirely correct - no one can stop you from having as many children as you want to have.

                                                                                        Of course, rational people have long since discovered that having fewer children means parents can devote more attention and resources to each child.

                                                                                        Now consider the opposite extreme - a couple who has eight children and watches four of them die of malnutrition or disease.

                                                                                        Does that approach result in happiness or does it maximize misery and suffering?

                                                                                        Not a tough question to answer, Joey.

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                                                                                        #6.15 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:59 PM EST
                                                                                        Bush & Cheney

                                                                                        and what do you have to say about 5 million illegals coming to the US with 20% unemployment. it's like feeding roaches. they don't care if they can't feed their childrens, but the white man is dumb enough to vote for a black man that wants to give their money to minorities so...you guessed it...they become the minority.

                                                                                        that's right. politics is really becoming a big population growth game but they have the liberals whites trained and brainwashed into believeing otherwise.

                                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                                        #6.16 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:14 PM EST
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                                                                                        wendywiesenthal-1

                                                                                        Haiti is and always has been a catastrophe. Most of the aid sent to Haiti will be taken by the very small ruling class. Any effort to help this country is futile.

                                                                                        • 19 votes
                                                                                        #7 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:23 PM EST
                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                        You mean like when the US flew Aristide back into the country and forced him back into power causing an uprising like no other and forcing the UN to have to come in and mediate for all these years? Yep, we certainly need to be there..the catastrophe was one the US made for them.

                                                                                        • 5 votes
                                                                                        #7.1 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:14 AM EST
                                                                                        chris-1189701

                                                                                        You have 9 million people on a tiny island. That is the disaster.

                                                                                        • 11 votes
                                                                                        #7.2 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:23 AM EST
                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                        Chris, you mean like Long Island or Manhattan?

                                                                                        • 11 votes
                                                                                        #7.3 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:46 AM EST
                                                                                        BJK-798627

                                                                                        He means that 9 million people crammed into a tiny area with a degraded environment and few natural resources will end up in a miserable state of existence.

                                                                                        The only reason places like NYC and Hong Kong can sustain so many people is that they are vital centers of trade and banking. Food, water, energy and other supplies must be brought into these megacities every day, or else they would rapidly become worse off than Haiti.

                                                                                        • 10 votes
                                                                                        #7.4 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:21 AM EST
                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                        BJK, how many people do you think live on Long Island and Manhattan? How big is it? there aren´t many natural resources there either.

                                                                                        A clue for you Haiti is small but it is bigger than the example I gave you.

                                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                                        #7.5 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:04 PM EST
                                                                                        whoknowws

                                                                                        How would you make a living there .The rich island nations are that way mostly because of tourism. But I dont beleive haiti gets many tourist. Mostly just missionarys and they have just enough to support themselves,

                                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                                        #7.6 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:05 PM EST
                                                                                        Keith D. Smith

                                                                                        Our hearts go out to the haitian people; and you would think that the greedy 'uberklass' there would back off at least til things got back up to the wretched level they were before yesterday....but the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior and your analysis of that those who have there do to those that have not (often with our blessing) is....unfortunately...quite true.

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                                                                                        #7.7 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:53 PM EST
                                                                                        BJK-798627

                                                                                        BJK, how many people do you think live on Long Island and Manhattan? How big is it? there aren´t many natural resources there either.

                                                                                        Two to three million. All of New York and the surrounding areas in New Jersey and Connecticut probably have 20 million people or more.

                                                                                        As far as size and natural resources go, thank you for proving my point. Geographic siize alone is seldom the paramount factor when it comes to population. Neither are natural resources if they can be reliably obtained elsewhere.

                                                                                        Case in point. Siberia is gigantic and has tremendous coal and oil reserves, but a relatively tiny population.

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                                                                                        #7.8 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:49 AM EST
                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                        Ok yet Port au Prince has 2 million as well..this is the area that is affected the most by the earthquake...you are referencing a city...that in the area surrounding has 20 million by your own admission..all of those areas together that comprise all of NYC are smaller than the country of Haiti.

                                                                                        The county of NY is one of the most densely populated in the world. So complaining about overpopulation in Haiti looks silly when they have less people per sq mile than our largest city.

                                                                                        The county of NY has 1.7 million people living in a 22 mile radius or 71,201 residents per square mile.

                                                                                        Haiti has 940 persons per square mile.

                                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                                        #7.9 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:51 PM EST
                                                                                        BJK-798627

                                                                                        There is a fundamental difference between the two places: New York City can rely on resources from a much larger area (the rest of the U.S.) to sustain itself; Haiti cannot.

                                                                                        Some places in the world can sustain both high population densities and high standards of living, e.g. NYC, Hong Kong, Tokyo.

                                                                                        Other places are vast in size but have never sustained large populations - Mongolia, Siberia, the Amazon.

                                                                                        Finally, there are places where the population exploded but per capita wealth stagnated or declined, including Bangladesh, Egypt, and many cities in India.

                                                                                        • 3 votes
                                                                                        #7.10 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:23 PM EST
                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                        You realize that we stole all their natural resources right? Woodrow Wilson clear cut all their trees. Enslaved them and stripmined most of their land. People don´t just stop having children. Like I stated before, they don´t have money for food where are they going to afford birth control?

                                                                                        It isn´t easily accessable for them and it certainly isn´t free. They have a higher birth rate than we do, but the US also has free birth control available.

                                                                                        • 3 votes
                                                                                        #7.11 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:03 PM EST
                                                                                        joeyfromcali

                                                                                        BJK-798627 just wants to point out differences between a certain population and what he thinks should be right. I just have to point out one thing Haitians bleed the same color as BJK-798627 they all have families like BJK-798627. They all need the same things as BJK-798627 food water and Air.

                                                                                        But unlike BJK-798627 many do not have one of these three things that they need just to survive. Yet BJK-798627 wants to point out population numbers. If a 7.0 Earthquake hit NYC BJK-798627 would probably state that Harlem or Queens was at fualt for high death rates due to higher African populations.

                                                                                        By the way I am not of African decent I am Native American and people like BJK-798627 make me sick to my stomach. Karma is a good thing may it bring BJK-798627 what he so wishes for the rest of these people (HUMANS) suffering.

                                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                                        #7.12 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:27 PM EST
                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                        Joey, I suspect if a 7 richter earthquake hit NYC they would be in bigger trouble than Haiti. I agree 100% with what you are saying.

                                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                                        #7.13 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:56 PM EST
                                                                                        BJK-798627

                                                                                        Have fun misconstruing my words, guys.

                                                                                        If you'd bother to read my posts, Joey, nowhere do I rejoice in human suffering, whether it happens in Haiti or anywhere else.

                                                                                        If you're so hypersensitive about simple observations (e.g. Switzerland and Japan have zero population growth rates and high standards of living), that's an issue you have to come to terms with, not me.

                                                                                        For lx chel who wrote:

                                                                                        You realize that we stole all their natural resources right? Woodrow Wilson clear cut all their trees. Enslaved them and stripmined most of their land.

                                                                                        Which would be really tragic except for the fact that events happened quite differently in real life.

                                                                                        Woodrow Wilson neither "enslaved" the Haitians nor for that matter the Dominicans (the U.S. occupied all of Hispanola from 1916-1924 and Haiti until 1934). Much like Clinton in the 1990's, Wilson sent in the troops only after decades of internal turmoil had plunged these countries into near anarchy.

                                                                                        As for natural resources, if you're interested in learning the details from an unbiased source, a good place to start is Jared Diamond's book "Collapse." He explains at great length why Haiti had become largely deforested by 1900 whereas the Dominican Republic preserved far more of its trees.

                                                                                        Suffice it to say, much of Haiti's environmental destruction happened long before Woodrow Wilson was elected President.

                                                                                        • 4 votes
                                                                                        #7.14 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:19 PM EST
                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                        revisionist history there...wouldn´t you say...sent the troops? After years of turmoil? It wasn´t his business and yes he enslaved them and stole their resources.

                                                                                        http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/haiti19.htm

                                                                                        Order was imposed largely by white foreigners with deep-seated racial prejudices and a disdain for the notion of self-determination by inhabitants of less-developed nations. These attitudes particularly dismayed the mulatto elite, who had heretofore believed in their innate superiority over the black masses. Many Americans voiced contempt for the native leadership and the populace as a whole. The Marines insisted on establishing the Jim Crow standards of the American South as soon as they settled in. American attitudes aggravated the racial polarization between mulattos and blacks. The whites from North America did not distinguish among Haitians, regardless of their skin tone, level of education, or sophistication. This intolerance caused indignation, resentment, and eventually a racial pride that was reflected in the work of a new generation of Haitian historians, ethnologists, writers, artists, and others, many of whom later became active in politics and government. Still, as Haitians united in their reaction to the racism of the occupying forces, the mulatto elite managed to dominate the country's bureaucracy and to strengthen its role in national affairs

                                                                                        From a statement by Human Rights Advocates, an American organization that supports efforts to win restitution from France for the Haitian people:

                                                                                        “Compare the (French-) imposed cost of Haiti’s independence – 150,000,000 francs – to the price paid by the United States to France for the Louisiana purchase – 80,000,000 francs for an area of land seventy-four times that of Haiti and one can only begin to sense the enormity of the reparations burden and the extortionate terms imposed.”

                                                                                        “As late as 1915, 111 years after the successful slave revolt, some 80 percent of the Haitian government’s resources were being paid out in debt service to French and American banks on loans that had been made to enable Haiti to pay reparations to France.”

                                                                                        “In 1922, seven years into a nineteen-year American military occupation of Haiti that resulted in 15,000 Haitian deaths, the United States imposed a $16 million loan on the Haitian government to pay off its “debt” to France.”

                                                                                        “The American loan was finally paid off in 1947. Haiti was left virtually bankrupt, its workforce in desperate straits.”

                                                                                        “The Haitian economy has never recovered from the financial havoc France (and America) wreaked upon it, during and after slavery.”http://terencenance.com/2010/01/haiti-a-reminder/

                                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                                        #7.15 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:59 PM EST
                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                        http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=haiti

                                                                                        You can pretend we aren´t to blame or be part of the solution..sending troops every other year is not what we should be doing....furthermore, sending troops because their slave rebellion might give others idea was even worse...what was that about you saying the US not forcing slavery in Haiti?

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                                                                                        #7.16 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:06 AM EST
                                                                                        BJK-798627

                                                                                        revisionist history there

                                                                                        Before you scream revisionism, check out the source. A respected anthropologist like Diamond is a much more accurate source of information than most websites on Google.

                                                                                        You can pretend we aren´t to blame or be part of the solution..sending troops every other year is not what we should be doing

                                                                                        So letting anarchy reign is a preferable alternative. I hear it's worked wonderfully in Somalia.

                                                                                        what was that about you saying the US not forcing slavery in Haiti?

                                                                                        If you want to call an 18 year military occupation "slavery," go ahead. By that definition, the U.S. "enslaved" Germany and Japan after WWII and continues to "enslave" Iraq and Afghanistan today.

                                                                                        Argument by bizarre definition has always intrigued me...

                                                                                        • 4 votes
                                                                                        #7.17 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:50 AM EST
                                                                                        Bush & Cheney

                                                                                        at some point, our money will be worthless.

                                                                                        you had better clean out the democraps in 10 or we are the next haitti. LOOK AT DETRIOT. what the hell is the difference. run by corrupt black people laying around...breeding.

                                                                                          #7.18 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:17 PM EST
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                                                                                          Doogleass

                                                                                          I'm sorry, I din't mean for my comment to seem callous. I should have added the statement that I am deeply moved by any disaster, anywhere, such as this, that kills, maims, and leaves people homeless. I think we can do more with our prayers than offering financial assistance that is clearly beyond our already deeply-impacted and debt-ridden economic condition.

                                                                                          • 7 votes
                                                                                          Reply#8 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:25 PM EST
                                                                                          dam tired of this

                                                                                          You're not callous, just honest. People in other countries hate our guts..........yet the first words out of their mouths after a disaster is "US.......Help", never "China, Cuba, Russia, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, etc., etc.,............Help" and of course when the US is done helping, they go right back to hating us.

                                                                                          • 21 votes
                                                                                          #8.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:34 PM EST
                                                                                          charlieb123

                                                                                          To dam tired, what do you suggest then? Yes, some countries bad-mouth us, but most of the countries in the world respect and like Americans because of our good will. Do you travel much? I do, and from my travels in Canada, Argentina, Dominican Republic, and Ireland, I get treated nicely as an American. Besides, if we don't help them, there will be refugees coming to America. We're only less than 200 miles from Haiti.

                                                                                          • 7 votes
                                                                                          #8.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:46 PM EST
                                                                                          dam tired of this

                                                                                          Charlieb123,

                                                                                          I've been to countries you've probably never heard of! Bet you stayed in some real cushy expensive hotels in those four countries you visited on your annual vacation. LOL!

                                                                                          • 6 votes
                                                                                          #8.3 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:10 PM EST
                                                                                          Ix chel

                                                                                          dam tired, the least we can do is help Haiti right now...with clean up..it is called being humanitarians. Also, it may half way make up for all the chaos we already caused in their lives by forcing back onto them a dictator they removed from power...the Clintons threw Aristides back on them by force, had to install peacekeeping forces to keep civil war from breaking out and subsequently ruined any economic future the country had.

                                                                                          • 3 votes
                                                                                          #8.4 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:17 AM EST
                                                                                          Greg-281912

                                                                                          I'm absolutely fine with the US sending help to Haitians. We should! It's the right thing to do!

                                                                                          I call on everyone in the US to immediately send their entire 2009 bonus checks from their employers to Haiti! It's taxpayer money anyway.

                                                                                          • 6 votes
                                                                                          #8.5 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:57 AM EST
                                                                                          Keith D. Smith

                                                                                          our debt ridden economic condition is high heaven compared to the day to day existence of the average haitian last week (much less after this disaster. To have even made the statment you made shows you to be a heartless barbarian (probably not true) or simply totally clueless at the day to day squalor most people in the world experience every day--probably much more likely.

                                                                                          Consider this: the vast vast majority of children in the world (in the world, not just in haiti) have never sat down to a breakfast containing as much food as a single egg, two slices of bacon and a single slice of toast. That is "normal" for the children on this planet. How would you feel if that was your child's experience, there was a disaster where they were that made it impossible to insure even that little for another month or two....and then someone making $10,000 a year (less than minimum wage) complained that they had too much debt to be able to help?

                                                                                            #8.6 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:00 PM EST
                                                                                            asknreceive1-1054310

                                                                                            Making sense out of the senseless is not only impossible, it is a waste of precious time and energy. Attempting to place blame on anyone or any one nation or group of peoples is also a waste of time.

                                                                                            It matters not who did what to whom, and visa verse, it matters that human beings are in need. If your heart is not moved by the images of suffering, if you cannot see through prejudices and predispotions to judge, if you cannot, for one single moment, imagine how you might feel when faced with such dire and unimagineable circumstances, then you might want to check for your own pulse, or check to see if that mighty muscle called the heart is made of stone. It might be beating and serving a physical purpose, but it is cold and it is hardened like a stone.

                                                                                            Whether you believe in any Diety or not, whether you are religious or not, whether you are Republican or Democrat or any other party loyalist in America, it matters not in matters OF the heart.

                                                                                            I pray today for the wounded, dead and frightened people of Haiti: "Heavenly Father I know you never intended Your beautiful creation, Earth, and Your beautiful creations, both man and animal, to suffer. We have a fallen angel and his legions of demons to thank for that. This is no judgement, nor is it a scourge to vilify, judge or exact vengence by You. We know that the Ruler of this world is Satan, and he will wage war against Your precious children and this earth until his destruction in the final battle, Armageddon, where he will be consumed in the Lake of Fire never to rise again.

                                                                                            Our Savior, your Beloved Son, Jesus Christ, shed His perfect blood to atone for the sins of all mankind, in the greatest act of love and humility ever known. Romans 8 states that "The Holy Spirit GROANS for us in ways no words can express." Father God, You know of the suffering brought to the Earth and to Your beloved earthly children by the deceiver, the father of the lie, Satan, and You listen intently to the Son and to the Holy Spirit as they intercede, cry and groan on our behalf. As You grieve for the pain and suffering of your beloved children in Haiti and throughout the world today, I pray that You will give them the peace that surpasses all understanding, comfort them, bless the hands and hearts of those that help them, and let Your will be done, even in the face of adversity and agony. Give them mighty power and strength today, Father. May these hurting souls seek Your face today. Glory to God in the Highest, Jehovah! You are worthy. You are just. You are awesome, Father! In all things, I pray in Jesus' glorious name, Amen!"

                                                                                            May God bless all of you today, my fellow children of God!

                                                                                            • 4 votes
                                                                                            #8.7 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:31 PM EST
                                                                                            ittaybittay

                                                                                            I join you in prayer

                                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                                            #8.8 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:48 AM EST
                                                                                            lead foot momma

                                                                                            Amen.

                                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                                            #8.9 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:15 PM EST
                                                                                            joeyfromcali

                                                                                            I do not even follow your belief in Jesus or Any Eastern Religion. But I still join you in prayer to my Grandfather spirit and mother earth. we are all connected as one blood one brother or sister. One people when we die. May both our understandings of a higher being or (God)as you call him) bring an end to suffering in Haiti and bring our Brothers and sisters peace.

                                                                                            As long as I have food water and air I am abundant many of these human beings are missing water or food. It is our nature to help our fellow beings on our planet.

                                                                                            • 3 votes
                                                                                            #8.10 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:51 PM EST
                                                                                            ittaybittay

                                                                                            joeyfromcali a beautiful thing in honoring our spirituality and convictions is that in doing so we are connected and I believe it's how it should be. I can't say my God is better or more real than your grandfather spirit and mother earth, which by the way I honor in ways as well, but our faith and understanding causes all of varying faiths to come together for a single purpose and that being, like you said, for our brothers and sisters.

                                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                                            #8.11 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:59 AM EST
                                                                                            Bush & Cheney

                                                                                            ah, the new religion...environmentalism. and how is that so superior to any of the three biggest religions. mother earth is no mother...it is a planet. a big piece of rock orbiting the sun. i know that this is like finding out there is no tooth fairy but someone had to tell you.

                                                                                            ok jerk. just had to gve you a taste of your own medicine. do you know how many douche bags are posting "well, i don't believe in blah blah blah". well ,did it ever occur to you that we don't care what you think about religion.

                                                                                              #8.12 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:21 PM EST
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                                                                                              Stacy1128

                                                                                              If I wasn't tapped out of money, I'd be one of the first on a flight there to help them. They do need help.

                                                                                              • 3 votes
                                                                                              Reply#9 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:39 PM EST
                                                                                              Truth Be Told-904226

                                                                                              You would be beaten and raped within an hour of your arrival. At least you mean well.

                                                                                              • 22 votes
                                                                                              #9.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:53 PM EST
                                                                                              b dune

                                                                                              Truth be Told

                                                                                              having been to Haiti several times - I can tell you that you have no frigging idea what you are talking about - "you would be beaten and raped within an hour of your arrival"...

                                                                                              change your handle as you know nothing of the "Truth"!

                                                                                              • 10 votes
                                                                                              #9.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:49 PM EST
                                                                                              Stacy1128

                                                                                              I have been to many places where the above could have happend. Didn't scare me off in the least.

                                                                                              Thank you b dune.

                                                                                              • 5 votes
                                                                                              #9.3 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:15 AM EST
                                                                                              soxiemomma

                                                                                              We didn't think people who wanted to help, and residents in general, would be beaten, raped, robbed and shot at while trying to provide help in the aftermath of Katrina. It could happen. Lawlessness knows no bounds in time of disasters.

                                                                                              • 3 votes
                                                                                              #9.4 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:51 AM EST
                                                                                              chris-1189701

                                                                                              You are exactly right. Everybody is tapped out. Have you seen in the news, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Al Gore, the Kennedys, Rockefellers, Bill Gates, Google executives, Blankfine etc, Prandit, of C, almost 500 billionaires around the globe, all setting examples, making big donataions Yeah sure. Just like all those posting about how they feel sorry, everyone should help. Well what are they doing here posting if they feel that way? Why arent they flying out to the rescue. Just a bunch of broke a$$ phonies on welfare.

                                                                                                #9.5 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:06 AM EST
                                                                                                Keith D. Smith

                                                                                                Chris - 1189701

                                                                                                Hmmmm. interesting. many of us do already give to organizations that are already on the scene. Some of us have already called those organizations and told them we are sending an additional check. You can actually text $10 to haiti right now on your phone and your carrier will add the $10 to your bill (i'm sure you wouldn't do that. $10 is a lot for a life...and a beer would taste better to you I'm sure). And as to flying out?....well, with thousands of trained people already on their way to help, I'm not sure my relatively unskilled A$$ would do better than $50 that might actually buy someone some small relief

                                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                                #9.6 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:10 PM EST
                                                                                                Sally-1456674

                                                                                                Chris, I donated 2K last night ( took me all of 60 seconds) and will donate more as soon as another direct deposit hits. What did you do?

                                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                                #9.7 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST
                                                                                                Bruce Mclaughlin USN Ret..

                                                                                                You're a good person.

                                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                                #9.8 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:27 PM EST
                                                                                                Ix chel

                                                                                                I didn´t donate that much but we donated via the phone text thing to but our company is Digicel.. and also we donated our newsvine earnings that I didn´t even know about..it wasn´t much but it is something...like I said $1 per American comes up to 300 million dollars.

                                                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                                                #9.9 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:22 PM EST
                                                                                                Bush & Cheney

                                                                                                obama douch bag is going to make sure that you are tapped out of $$ for eternity. that's right...a whole nation of losers sitting around...not working and taxing the few productive people to death so NO ONE IS WORKING. just a bunch of fat mexicans smoking dope. ahhh, but we can always tax the abortions. now there is an industry that a democrat can be proud of. let' see, detroit builds casinos vs factories....they sell liquor and of course, the drug industry is booming...what else. that's it . detroit's got nothing over on haitti. and what by chance are the similarities. you figure it out.

                                                                                                  #9.10 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:26 PM EST
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                                                                                                  Slinger-958418

                                                                                                  I've been watching Google Earth and they are having some big after shocks. They seem to be all in the 5.5 range. This is devastating for the people there. They did not have stable building and ones that survived the initial quake would now be in danger of collapsing from the after shocks. I am going to hope for the best, but I suspect the worst there. My thoughts and blessings are with the people there.

                                                                                                  • 10 votes
                                                                                                  Reply#10 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:41 PM EST
                                                                                                  Stacy1128

                                                                                                  one never knows when or where an earthquake will happen. That is what makes them so scary, even though I slept through two of them.

                                                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                                                  #10.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:47 PM EST
                                                                                                  eurotex

                                                                                                  I've lived in two major earthquake zones - Alaska and Indonesia. We have felt plenty of quakes, but were never affected by any damage. Just pure luck and good timing.

                                                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                                                  #10.2 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:39 AM EST
                                                                                                  asknreceive1-1054310

                                                                                                  I watched the earthquake app on Google Earth last night. There is a whole LOT of seismic activity going on around the globe. Check out California! I never knew how many quakes that area experiences on an almost daily basis, although I was aware of the fault line and the vulnerability to quakes. Seeing is, sometimes, more believable for some odd reason.

                                                                                                  This earthquake was predicted in advance, and warnings were issued for Haiti, for the record. I have to wonder what became of the warnings? Who heard these warnings? What, if anything, could have been done to save lives in advance? There are no simple answers or solutions to issues like these, I realize that. Still, I wonder: "What if?"

                                                                                                    #10.3 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:39 PM EST
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                                                                                                    MEL F.

                                                                                                    walter 17 - before passing judgment on the people of haiti, perhaps it would be interesting to read the history and what has been done to haiti. they were "punished" for overthrowing their masters.

                                                                                                    • 2 votes
                                                                                                    Reply#11 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:53 PM EST
                                                                                                    Doubtit

                                                                                                    MEL F.

                                                                                                    Amen. When they overthrew their 'Masters', the road to Port-au-Prince was lined with hanging bodies of Frenchmen for miles and miles as far as the eye could see.

                                                                                                    Fast forward 200 years and they are eating dirt cookies (the country staple), dumping their poop on what was once pristine beaches (imagine the tourist dollars lost) and begging for any type of fire wood for cooking and warmth (they used all that is there).

                                                                                                    I feel for them but what's the old saying about sleeping in the bed you've made.

                                                                                                    Of course, we'll send billions down to their aid and it will be siphoned off to the ones with guns and fire power.

                                                                                                    Dirt cookie anyone?

                                                                                                    • 15 votes
                                                                                                    #11.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:20 PM EST
                                                                                                    walter17

                                                                                                    i know my history. my peoples' queen was overthrown and lands divided and we have no rights to it.

                                                                                                      #11.2 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:42 AM EST
                                                                                                      FedUp-1094255

                                                                                                      So then, Doubtit, if this is their "punishment" (for what sounds like Survival to me), what's OUR punishment for Generations of enslaving human beings solely for profit? My guess is having to tolerate pious, self-rightous conservatives.

                                                                                                        #11.3 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:46 PM EST
                                                                                                        Keith D. Smith

                                                                                                        Doubtit

                                                                                                        you fail to mention that Toussaint L'ouverture and General Dessaline (Haitian liberators)did what they did because napoleon warned that for every slaveowner killed french troops would kill 10 slaves to set an example and put fear in the hearts and minds of the african slaves.

                                                                                                        Mons. L'ouveture and Dessaline simply did what napoleon did.....only "better" I think they promised 100 french heads for every slave head. guess who won?

                                                                                                          #11.4 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:58 PM EST
                                                                                                          Doubtit

                                                                                                          right, and here's what they won:

                                                                                                          they are eating dirt cookies (the country staple), dumping their poop on what was once pristine beaches (imagine the tourist dollars lost) and begging for any type of fire wood for cooking and warmth (they used all that is there).

                                                                                                          Thanks for letting me point that out again.

                                                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                                                          #11.5 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:22 PM EST
                                                                                                          Doubtit

                                                                                                          FedUp-1094255

                                                                                                          Go ask MEL F. Those were his words. As far as I'm concerned you are living in a make-believe world if you actually believe what you post. Generations of living off of slaves?

                                                                                                          I think we've spent generations trying to help them.

                                                                                                          Wonder why none of their own people never tried to rescue them after the big bad Americans took them captive (if you really believe that). Wonder why they never tried to build their own boat and go back to their country? I mean, after all if you listen to them they built Pyramids and had Kings and Queens. Wonder why they didn't have an Army to fight off 10 to 15 slave traders in boats that captured them over and over and over. Wow, they musta been tough, huh?

                                                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                                                          #11.6 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:35 PM EST
                                                                                                          Sally-1456674

                                                                                                          Doubtit, you are a disgrace and THE poster child for what is wrong with the world today.

                                                                                                            #11.7 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:18 AM EST
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                                                                                                            Rhazes

                                                                                                            If your going to donate money do a background check. Don't donate to a charity that only uses 30% of its donations to help and 70% on Administration costs(CEO's pay, Investment expenses,Legal Fees).

                                                                                                            • 5 votes
                                                                                                            Reply#12 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:56 PM EST
                                                                                                            dam tired of this

                                                                                                            37.9 million Americans currently on food stamps..........Think about that before you donate!

                                                                                                            • 13 votes
                                                                                                            #12.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:21 PM EST
                                                                                                            am.can

                                                                                                            I really don't believe there is one left that doesn't keep most of the donation as, so called legal expenses.

                                                                                                            • 2 votes
                                                                                                            #12.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:55 PM EST
                                                                                                            Pam Montgomery

                                                                                                            After some checking, I found that the Salvation Army has the best record for low Ad-Min pay, and the highest percentage for actual relief.

                                                                                                            The American Red Cross, which is a good organization for relief, has much higher Ad-Min costs. While I donate to both, I give the higher percentage to the Salvation Army.

                                                                                                            • 4 votes
                                                                                                            #12.3 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:46 AM EST
                                                                                                            asknreceive1-1054310

                                                                                                            Thanks for your post, Pam. I have been searching for the best way to donate. I want to ensure that the maximum amount gets to the citizens of Haiti. I appreciate your input in that regard.

                                                                                                            • 2 votes
                                                                                                            #12.4 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:44 PM EST
                                                                                                            MN-748207

                                                                                                            The Salvation Army will put more of your money toward the needs of the people. I stopped donating to the Red Cross several years ago, when they showed great arrogance here following a severe tornado. With no authority to do so, they turned away a very large group of churches, which came prepared to feed an entire small town, and which had been approved by the mayor and town council. They also turned away numerous nurses (family members and friends, who were part of their disaster team) when more nurses were desperately needed to help in New Orleans just after katrina. The Salvation Army here maximizes all volunteers and money, and they contribute immediately and effectively to larger disasters elsewhere.

                                                                                                            Our hearts go out to all in Haiti.

                                                                                                            • 3 votes
                                                                                                            #12.5 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:42 PM EST
                                                                                                            ineedmychange

                                                                                                            But they dont have to eat mud cakes. What the heck is this logistics problem We always have logistics problems takes months for someone to figure out how to ge stuff there; There supposed to be experts who should be able to figure this out in a fast THis is a small island maybe all that big equipment needs to be eliminated and go in on pantoon boats etc (small scale from all landing points) to give immediate medical assistance and if there is looting shoot the sobs or are there a bunch of bureaucrats sitting in some room scratching their head wondering...... Good organization is Doctors Without Borders give to their general fund to replenish that money base- If they find there is more than enough in donations coming in for Haiti they will ask you if you want your donation back or you want to "redirect" Good outfit.No politics just committedindividuals working in y/dagerous places all over the world.

                                                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                                                            #12.6 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:25 PM EST
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                                                                                                            m-blankenship

                                                                                                            All I know is to say shoot. Bless these pore people. I wish them nothing but he best.

                                                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                                                            Reply#13 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:01 PM EST
                                                                                                            FFboyDeleted
                                                                                                            obama=disasterDeleted
                                                                                                            Terry R Morlan

                                                                                                            I served in Haiti when I knew our foreign policy was on crack and oh yeah I was there when Mr Prince (bitch mofo) was a Seal protecting my General from those dissenters and so called tyrants. I as a  infantryman was pissed of that our planes were not diverted to Rwanda to fight a real war. I was assigned to 10th Mtn and believe me me and my grunt buddies, we had the Internet and we knew a @!$%# storm was in Africa and why weren't we going there to save those people from ahnilitation? Fckn politics as usual. Haitian vacation was our mantra and believe me it sickened me to no end our might and power was directed at the capitalist pukes cause Disney world had sweat shops there and the needed protection from the workers revolting. So I hope the Haitians persevere through this catastrophe.

                                                                                                            • 4 votes
                                                                                                            Reply#16 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:24 PM EST
                                                                                                            djoecrosby

                                                                                                            Haitians............ Leading the world in advanced society, engineering, ad nauseum.

                                                                                                            • 6 votes
                                                                                                            Reply#17 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:25 PM EST
                                                                                                            oldnewgrad,RN

                                                                                                            Haiti is 80% Catholic. christian last I heard.

                                                                                                            Oh and I think the headline about looting is out of line. When people need necessities like food water bandages etc refrain from using the looting term.Many people are risking their own lives to dig through rubble and find the injured and dying so focus on the heroics. if someone needs something this is not the time to worry about possessions.

                                                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                                                            #17.1 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:48 PM EST
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                                                                                                            m-blankenship

                                                                                                            I never clamed to be christion. I just hoped the people are safe and secure. get a break. there are more religons then the christain fath. I just hope you find yours.

                                                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                                                            Reply#18 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:30 PM EST
                                                                                                            backtobasics-1076842

                                                                                                            I wonder when the Democrats will say, "Let's just buy Haiti and make it a high class resort for congressmen. We could employ everyone in the country."

                                                                                                            If this had happened in Iran or Argentina, the clowns there would be spouting that it was obviously caused by America or the UK.

                                                                                                            • 6 votes
                                                                                                            Reply#19 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:30 PM EST
                                                                                                            ichibanrose

                                                                                                            You make no sense. Call us when you finally graduate from the 5th grade.

                                                                                                            • 2 votes
                                                                                                            #19.1 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:09 PM EST
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                                                                                                            phil-1559019

                                                                                                            i seen the sent $200,000 for relief funds and you wonder why america is broke..what the hell has haiti done for us..as said above all the kids they have tie those damn tubes up..and clean for themselves then ask for forgiveness..us keeps puting there nose where it doesn't belong..

                                                                                                            • 4 votes
                                                                                                            Reply#20 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:35 PM EST
                                                                                                            LJea

                                                                                                            America is broke because they have greedy, greedy peoples who is still taking taking from peoples like you and me. So shut-up and don't worry about how much they give. Hell, America got a machine to make money. I say just make some more hell.

                                                                                                              #20.1 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:17 AM EST
                                                                                                              Carolyn-681146

                                                                                                              Could you repeat that please?

                                                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                                                              #20.2 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:04 AM EST
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                                                                                                              walks-upright

                                                                                                              For Christ's sake -- we are the good guys, remember--- we are known for helping people --not this mean spirited response.

                                                                                                              Once again the right wing Christians weigh in--- f em--. It is after all your gods will-- right?

                                                                                                              • 7 votes
                                                                                                              Reply#21 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:42 PM EST
                                                                                                              dam tired of this

                                                                                                              Fact is not mean spirited..........it's just FACTS!

                                                                                                              Right wing Christians...........where? Point one out please.

                                                                                                              Remember this: "Charity begins at home"

                                                                                                              We currently have 37.9 million people on food stamps, 40 million people without healthcare, 10% unemployment, millions of people losing their homes! We are trillions of dollars in debt.............any questions!

                                                                                                              • 13 votes
                                                                                                              #21.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:52 PM EST
                                                                                                              Brad Melton

                                                                                                              any questions!

                                                                                                              Yes. You have your prunes steeped in vinegar today?

                                                                                                              • 8 votes
                                                                                                              #21.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:02 PM EST
                                                                                                              dam tired of this

                                                                                                              Brad,

                                                                                                              Try doing some research on the amount of 'aid' the US has provided to Haiti over the years............google US Haiti aid...........I think you'll find some very interesting facts.

                                                                                                              • 10 votes
                                                                                                              #21.3 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:10 PM EST
                                                                                                              hope51

                                                                                                              I'm so sick of "moral" conservatives kind of compassion... even in death they count their $$$$$ ! I think God is sick of them too!

                                                                                                              Those who are exception don't fit among them!

                                                                                                              P.S. This here does not come to you from a liberal!

                                                                                                              • 6 votes
                                                                                                              #21.4 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:19 PM EST
                                                                                                              Brad Melton

                                                                                                              Moral conservative is generally an oxymoron.

                                                                                                              • 9 votes
                                                                                                              #21.5 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:27 PM EST
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                                                                                                              dl-1150313

                                                                                                              All I know is more on the way...all I feel is sad...we all asked why? Don't you think and figure out why?because of us, we, the human dig out too much Oil from our basement, and our foundation under the sea is kind of empty, hallow and filled with sea water right now...any one of you know how many oil we get from under the sea everyday????? Water is under the sea and not even God can help us...It will happen any where...anytime...let's see and wait.... we are together...sharing this planet called Earth...but we jsut screw up all the time and create all the hates among us for no reasons...Why? Only few people know how and why....

                                                                                                              • 2 votes
                                                                                                              Reply#22 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:43 PM EST
                                                                                                              RackNStack

                                                                                                              ???????????

                                                                                                              • 2 votes
                                                                                                              #22.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:07 PM EST
                                                                                                              FedUp-1094255

                                                                                                              Hey "dam (sic) tired of this""

                                                                                                              Remember this: Give and you will receive.

                                                                                                                #22.2 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:41 PM EST
                                                                                                                Fedup-378382

                                                                                                                @ FedUp 1094255. Good post. What "dam (sic) tired of this doesn't realize is that we have help in this country for those in need. It may not be perfect but we have it. Haiti and other countries like this don't.

                                                                                                                I feel blessed to be able to help out and hope everyone does the same. This is not a religious or political issue it is a human issue. Those who feel we should not provide help should watch out that they don't find themselves on the receiving end vs. the giving end some day. Perhaps then they will learn the true meaning of love and compassion.

                                                                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                                                                #22.3 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:50 PM EST
                                                                                                                EJCanavan

                                                                                                                For sake of aguement, have you looked at how much aide has been available to this country ? You would be shocked at the resources they have !

                                                                                                                  #22.4 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:20 PM EST
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                                                                                                                  Rita McCarthy-879131

                                                                                                                  Someone explain to me how these Christians say for Haitians not to give birth but in the Sates they stand outside abortion clinics and harrassing others and even killing doctors so others can give birth against their wishes! This does not compute!! It's insane and in humane!!! I'm sick of all you bible thumping idiots!

                                                                                                                  • 10 votes
                                                                                                                  Reply#23 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:44 PM EST
                                                                                                                  hope51

                                                                                                                  I'm also sick of hateful remarks like yours. You know nothing about the true Christianity, and you eat, breathe and sleep your hate! In the time like this, why don't you let your heart soften a little? Maybe you'll hear the voice of your Maker and get to understand that your life itself is like a vapor in the wind... Even a fool is counted to be wise if he restrains his mouth, especially when he has urge to call peopel who read the Holy BIble "idiots". You need some wisdom out of the very Book yourself, it may do you some good!!

                                                                                                                  • 5 votes
                                                                                                                  #23.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:41 PM EST
                                                                                                                  Patrick-1102881

                                                                                                                  Hope - though I don't share your faith I believe that you are a sincere person. So give Rita a break and just read the comments above from people with no compassion, who don't want to help anyone, ignore their suffering, want to force them to have abortions, etc. . They are probably all Christians. How do we know this? Because the right wing in the US (whom they proudly represent) is overwhelmingly christian - almost 100%. So when we read right-wing comments we MUST assume they are from christians.

                                                                                                                  Rita isn't being "hateful" - she's being observant. The right wing does NOT want to help the poor in any way, spew bile and hate (again, read the comments above) and yet want us all to believe they are the good guys in the world JUST because of their religion.

                                                                                                                  Now, you may be a wonderful person AND a good christian. I have no doubt that you are. But, find it in your heart to understand how the rest of us, the tiny, non-christian minority in this country, see your group. Read. The. Posts. Here. This is the hate you should condemn. You're wasting your time otherwise.

                                                                                                                  • 11 votes
                                                                                                                  #23.2 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:56 PM EST
                                                                                                                  Pat-419920

                                                                                                                  I have never known a Christian that didn't want to help the poor and not one Christian in any post has said a word about abortion in Haiti. Some only said they need to take measures to prevent pregnancy. Birth control in most of our minds is different. We are not refusing to help anyone but smart enough to know that if you have no money you can't help anyone. The only ones with money right now are the ones that don't run out, at the top. Instead of buying deals for one or two states wouldn't you rather come up with a plan to help us all equally.

                                                                                                                  May God bless the Haitians and all of the rest of us that have to see such a disaster unfold. I do not know anything about this place except what I have read, but if there was only one person left there to help I would say go help him or her.

                                                                                                                  • 3 votes
                                                                                                                  #23.3 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:09 AM EST
                                                                                                                  OomYaaqub

                                                                                                                  FYI the right wing is NOT exclusively Christian. There are a great many Jewish conservatives, Muslim conservatives, and atheists and agnostic conservatives. Also, a 2009 study showed that conservatives are MORE likely to give to charity, not less, and regardless of their faith or lack of faith. I fully expect conservatives to give the bulk of private donations to help Haiti in this present crisis, but liberals should feel free to prove me wrong!

                                                                                                                  • 3 votes
                                                                                                                  #23.4 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:42 AM EST
                                                                                                                  OomYaaqub

                                                                                                                  The people who tell Haitians not to give birth aren't Christians, but just plain old yuppie twits who worship nothing but themselves. I'm not even a Christian, BTW. Nor am I a prolife activist. However, from a logical standpoint it makes perfect sense to defend ALL life, from the helpless unborn to the helpless victims in Haiti.

                                                                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                                                                  #23.5 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:15 AM EST
                                                                                                                  rp123-1352647

                                                                                                                  im sooo sick!sick! sick!!!! about it i tell youuuu!!!

                                                                                                                    #23.6 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:20 AM EST
                                                                                                                    whoknowws

                                                                                                                    The liberals are always for giving away the conservatives money. All the money that obama is so generous with is from the BBush aadministration , For the record iI am christian and I 100% support gicnig our consrervative earned money to Haiti in this great time of need. God bless

                                                                                                                      #23.7 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:18 PM EST
                                                                                                                      Fedup-378382

                                                                                                                      @Hope 5 that is your belief. Not everyone feels the same way as you and it doesn't make them evil people.

                                                                                                                      @ Patrick. Great post.

                                                                                                                        #23.8 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:52 PM EST
                                                                                                                        asknreceive1-1054310

                                                                                                                        Christianity and being a follower of Christ are not, necessarily, the same. It is important for those who want to lump everyone into one group, Christians for example, understand that following Christ, in word and in deed, is an individual effort. There are no "group discounts", if you will.

                                                                                                                        The Bible tells us that God reads and values our hearts above all other things. Anyone, anywhere, anytime and of any denomination can have a heart for God. In so far as God is the only one who can read hearts, we are not to judge, nor are we to condemn. If we engage in either of those worthless acts of futility, we are not following the word and deeds of Christ.

                                                                                                                        The reason the path to salvation is so narrow is because more will choose the path to destruction. Indeed, the path to salvation is so narrow that it is designed to accommodate one person at a time, single file and in line to stand before our Creator.

                                                                                                                        Rita, I fully understand your frustration. I can understand how frustrating it is to see the conflict and counter-intuitiveness of politics operating under a professed agenda to spread Christianity. Indeed, it is counter-intuitive, in so far as God plainly states in His Word that "My kingdom is no part of this world."

                                                                                                                        Try to understand that not all people who love and follow Christ are engaged in the effort to marry religion and politics. It simply cannot be done, and history has proven time and time again how dangerour the overlay of religiosity onto politics and government can really be. Those who believe in Jehovah God, His Son, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit understand that we are to put HIS Kingdom first. No other government or system of government can come before our allegiance to His Kingdom, in matters of spirituality. That is why we pray "Let Your Kingdom come. Let Your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven."

                                                                                                                        Still we understand that we are to respect the powers and leadership of our governmental officials, in so far as they serve a useful purpose. They are NOT, however, ordained to interfere in matters of spirituality. As Jesus told the religious leaders of His day when they tried to trap him in a question about whether or not they should pay their taxes, implying that Jesus was contradicting Himself in statements about God's Sovereign Kingdom:

                                                                                                                        Matthew 22: 15 - 22

                                                                                                                        Then the Pharisees went and took counsel how they might entrap him in his talk. They sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, "Teacher, we know that you are honest, and teach the way of God in truth, no matter who you teach, for you aren't partial to anyone. Tell us therefore, what do you think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?"
                                                                                                                        But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, "Why do you test me, you hypocrites? Show me the tax money."
                                                                                                                        They brought to him a denarius.
                                                                                                                        He asked them, "Whose is this image and inscription?"
                                                                                                                        They said to him, "Caesar's."
                                                                                                                        Then he said to them, "Give therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
                                                                                                                        When they heard it, they marveled, and left him, and went away.

                                                                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                                                                        #23.9 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:31 PM EST
                                                                                                                        Frederick Christensen

                                                                                                                        Rita...take an aspirin or a valium and then CHILL!Better yet consider some prune juice and then a good cleansing enema.You`ve got some issues,woman,and you need to chill out.

                                                                                                                        The Haitian situation is not the fault of God period.Tectonic plates underneath the Earth`s surface are in a constant state of forced agitation and on occasion these plates will overlap and incur a very strong uplifting with subsequent rupturing and physical realignment.Nature is to blame here and remember Nature and,life in general,are UNFORGIVING.CJ 613 345 lends the impression that he or she is a disturbed little creature and like all secular atheists good old CJ projects a puerile arrogance so typical of the atheistic ilk on any thread debating the mysteries inherent with Almighty God.I don`t wish to be too theological here but perhaps SATAN and not GOD should be held accountable for the suffering of Humankind.The Bible states unequivocally that the DEVIL is the PRINCE of this WORLD so perhaps we should dump all our fury and disgust on this thing instead of directing rants toward the source of all that there is...GOD!

                                                                                                                        The Haitians have been recipients of significant largesse for many decades.Because of corruption,on the part of their scum leaders,most of that aid probably never reached the most needy.They have not helped their cause by destroying much of their native flora for almost 97 percent of their tropical forests have been decimated.I mean how stupid and negligent of the people there to allow this environmental outrage!They seem,also,to have a proclivity for propagating well beyond the means of the land`s ability to sustain all this byproduct of sexual excess...hence the need for them to live through constant hand-outs for many decades.So instead of ranting against God,my little atheistic pinheads,why not blame some of their woes on intrinsic human frailty and incompetence as well as UNFORGIVING NATURE.Only Almighty GOD forgives!

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                                                                                                                        #23.10 - Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:26 AM EST
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                                                                                                                        m-blankenship

                                                                                                                        I just don't understand. It dosen't matter what religoulis background you have. I just wanted to put a positive feeling out there. Why do people want to put a damper on that? I just wanted to wish the Haitions well. I hope they fare well. And to all the haters out there F***K yourself. I've had enough.

                                                                                                                        • 4 votes
                                                                                                                        Reply#24 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:47 PM EST
                                                                                                                        Brad Melton

                                                                                                                        You have compassion. Don't ever lose it. It's in short supply the world over. : )

                                                                                                                        • 6 votes
                                                                                                                        #24.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:00 PM EST
                                                                                                                        Pat-419920

                                                                                                                        I agree with you, each person should be able to believe as they want and no matter what they believe we should all be ready to help one another, no matter what country we are from with exceptions of someone trying to destroy us. It is time to stop saying a person is a hater bc they have a certain religious belief or have a different opinion of another.

                                                                                                                        We are not only fighting in the war for ourselves, we are trying to help the vast majority there. That is the way I look at it, sometimes the good get caught suffering for the bad. I know we aren't talking about war here but I tried to make a point. Compassion is the key.

                                                                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                                                                        #24.2 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:46 AM EST
                                                                                                                        coloradogal-1527477

                                                                                                                        M Blankenship, Brad and Pat,

                                                                                                                        I agree with what you've each posted. I just believe many, MANY people were never taught, nor understand the concept of, the 'Golden Rule':

                                                                                                                        'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'.

                                                                                                                        This was the very first lesson taught to kindergarten students back in the day.

                                                                                                                        As parents, we found it important that our children understood the 'Golden Rule'. So, when they started elementary school, we asked them if the 'Golden Rule' was being taught. Each said that, not once ever, had any of their teachers even mentioned it, much less taught the lessons it teaches - that of kindness, tolerance and most importantly, COMPASSION.

                                                                                                                        Regardless of skin color, religious belief (or not), monetary wealth, political views, occupation, education, sexual orientation, nationality, age or I.Q., these lessons should ALWAYS be applied out of courtesy and respect - both of which, sadly and unfortunately, are GREATLY lacking in our society today.

                                                                                                                        For the people of Haiti, please know there are those who DO care. Hold on - help is coming.

                                                                                                                        • 6 votes
                                                                                                                        #24.3 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:04 PM EST
                                                                                                                        Meg-267733

                                                                                                                        There are times when personal beliefs and differences need to be put aside. I agree with you Coloradogal. There will be time for all that later. This is time for "the milk of human kindness". Basic respect is largely absent in our "modern" society let alone great compassion. I have worked with all types of people in crisis for years and can attest to the fact that a crushed limb hurts regardless of who it belongs to. A mothers tears are every mothers tears. Believing in God, although I still do, is not a requirement for caring. I have helped to feed the Hatian people and their hunger is the same as my own

                                                                                                                        Yes indeed. Help is on the way. Stay strong people who have suffered so much.

                                                                                                                        • 5 votes
                                                                                                                        #24.4 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:45 PM EST
                                                                                                                        coloradoan-1141358

                                                                                                                        Great post Coloradogal. I personally believe that the basis of any religion should be the "golden rule".

                                                                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                                                                        #24.5 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:14 PM EST
                                                                                                                        coloradogal-1527477

                                                                                                                        Thank you, Coloradoan.

                                                                                                                        Yes - you hit the nail on the head. It's just too bad that it isn't thought upon as being very important these days. So many issues that we're all dealing with these days would go away (or at least improve) if it was.

                                                                                                                          #24.6 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:13 PM EST
                                                                                                                          coloradogal-1527477

                                                                                                                          Meg,

                                                                                                                          I really like what you've posted and perhaps those who choose not to subscribe to any type of religious belief will understand what you've mentioned.......religion is NOT a requirement for caring for others. I don't understand why some people can't see this and believe some may even use their choice as an excuse for lack of compassion.

                                                                                                                          Having said this, I've known some, otherwise, good people with strong religious upbringing/beliefs who would not so much as give another person the time of day. I, for one, can certainly do without this brand of religion. So, unfortunately, it does work both ways.

                                                                                                                          You, however, wear your compassion on your sleeve, Meg, and have been blessed in your ability to work with those in need. I'm so hoping there are many, MANY others like you (and I) who seem to realize that we're all 'in the same boat' and need to help each other, or none of us are going to make it much longer.

                                                                                                                            #24.7 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:58 PM EST
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                                                                                                                            Rita McCarthy-879131

                                                                                                                            I hope they fare well too that country has been through so much and if we can help than we should. I don't care what religion they practice or the color of their skin! Your right M-blankenship!

                                                                                                                            • 3 votes
                                                                                                                            Reply#25 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:55 PM EST
                                                                                                                            sandyshores

                                                                                                                            I hope people will find heart and donate what they can. I know it is difficult in the desperate situation this administration has put us in but everyone has something to give. Even though Obama has said he wants to do away with charity and raise taxes so he can deciede what is important, I hope people have found what is important today. Give to the red cross.

                                                                                                                            My heart goes out to the haitains. I wish them the best possible luck.

                                                                                                                            • 2 votes
                                                                                                                            #25.1 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:21 AM EST
                                                                                                                            tom-964614

                                                                                                                            As harsh as this is going to sound right this minute, this might lead to some good things for Haiti.

                                                                                                                            Give it some thought, the US, the World Bank and other organizations will put millions if not billions into Haiti to help it rebuild. The President spoke just minutes ago and stated that the US with be the first and main contributor to helping them. Even above and beyond the Haitian government. Ultimately, they will employ tens of thousands of citizens that want to work and will make wages for their families. And many US firms will get a cut of the pie too. There will be proper engineering and construction techniques against any future earthquakes and other natural causes (hurricanes, etc), something that has been lax in that area. The biggest problem will be oversight, and stopping the inevitable corruption and graft that tend to go hand-in-hand with most anything political and huge construction projects as well (just as it does in the US and elsewhere in the world).

                                                                                                                            It could ultimately be the catalyst that Haiti needs,, but an extremely harsh one.

                                                                                                                            • 2 votes
                                                                                                                            #25.2 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:46 AM EST
                                                                                                                            Earthie

                                                                                                                            Since 9/11, and Katrina, I find it very difficult to TRUST the Red Cross, especially after Katrina! Many Residents are STILL displaced! With the Billions of dollars collected for these victims, WHY their homes have not been rebuilt is a shame.

                                                                                                                            I will NEVER donate to Red Cross again, I have found other means of helping victims of Natural Disasters, and KNOW that the funds are going DIRECTLY and being USED on the PEOPLE in NEED.

                                                                                                                            Why Red Cross believes its Director, and/or managers deserves salaries over $300 Thousands is unreasonable for a so-called CHARITY organization. Money donated for Natural Disasters should go directly to EACH Disaster until every dime in spent on that disaster; if funds are left over, then it should be saved for the next one.

                                                                                                                            Tom-964647, ALL the Corruption from Katrina has not been resolved, I wonder if it ever will be?

                                                                                                                            • 7 votes
                                                                                                                            #25.3 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:57 AM EST
                                                                                                                            Mary Robertson

                                                                                                                            Sandyshores, This administration has not put us in this desperate situation, we were there when they came in. This administration is only guility of trying to fix the mess with a bi-racial man in charge. Let's all face it, squarely in the face, the mess was created by 2 wars, too much credit to people who didn't earn enough to pay for what they bought, crooked politicians, crooked bankers, overcharges of interest on credit cards, a misinformed president, a crooked vice president and businessmen getting rich on the American people by send jobs overseas and bring back the products to us over priced. Oh, yes and the vendetta of the then sitting president's father for revenge on the nut running Iraq. Everybody makes up things about Obama, but please let's lay this blame where it should be and get on with trying to help straighten out the mess we are in. This useless "S" of blaming Obama for all of the chaos is like thinking you will live forever and never die. It's wishful thinking but a "D" lie.

                                                                                                                            • 7 votes
                                                                                                                            #25.4 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:13 PM EST
                                                                                                                            Jen-1477965

                                                                                                                            Mary, I totally agree with you! This is not about politics..this is a natural disaster and my heart goes out to the people of Haiti. We can't imagine what these people are going through, or have gone through before this happened. They were in need before this event took place and they are very much in need now. What they need most though, is positivity and hope, and if we can't do anything else, we can at least say something supportive or show our compassion, all of the unnecessary remarks about politics and religion, this is just about the human spirit and what we, as HUMAN BEINGS, can do to help one another. It just makes things easier when people can keep a positive attitude, because all this negativity is very contagious and harmful. It's just sickening to come on here and see some of these posts that should be supporting these people in this crisis, but instead are bashing the people, the president, religion,etc..it's crazy.But there will always be people in the world that are just plain hateful and ignorant for no apparent reason and especially in situations like this were people are suffering. The ignorant comments are just ridiculous!

                                                                                                                            • 2 votes
                                                                                                                            #25.5 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:00 PM EST
                                                                                                                            beanne

                                                                                                                            Actually folks under Bush there were Jobs and my 401 k plan grew faster then ever........also under Bush I knew he was doing evertything he could to keep us safe by giving Al'quida another theater to do their dirty work...against soldiers with big guns ( one being my son)instead of unarmed citizens....since Obama has been in office we have had more attemps on our soil by al'quida because Obama basically gave them an open invitation...come here -attack us and I'll give you citizenship...The fact is Obama was not raised as an American so he does not think like an American therefore we should not trust him. To the County he apologized for, to the Country he called bitter and clinging to our guns and relgion, to the county he said was arogant he now calls on to aid Haiti........and believe me it has NOTHING to do with his compassion...he does NOT have one compassionate bone in his body...it has all to do with making him look good to the world.......how is it he took so long to respond to the Underpanty bomber and that when he was responding to the Frt Hood shooting he first gave a call out to the Indians...what kind of crap is that...but oh when the rest of the world is watching he is quick to act........And one more thing...the media is trying to spin this and compare this to the Katrina disaster...NOOOOOOOO this is a comparison to the Indonesian Disaster.....These people in Haiti are not Americans nor do they belong to us...Yes we need to help them....bUt now Colin Powell is calling on us to rebuild this country....WHAT ????????? Excuse me....... but we are in NO position to rebuild this coutry the most corrupt country on the planet......we need to focus people...we are in a war for out lives for the lives of our children and for our way of life......Al'quida and Obama are trying to destroy that and we need to help these folks as best as we can then get on with America's business.....Let the aid workers continue to help down there....Here is a perfect spot for the church to do it's work.

                                                                                                                              #25.6 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:28 AM EST
                                                                                                                              Sally-1456674

                                                                                                                              Just couldn't resist could you sandy? And anyone else who has to turned this into a political BS session. Do you all feel better now? Does it make you feel good to turn the suffering of others into your own personal little "I am right hear me roar" session? What are you all having for lunch today as you chat among yourselves about how bad you have it because of the current government? Will any of you feel one ounce of compasion while you are scarfing down that deli sandwich and rasberry tea from the corner deli KNOWING that there are hungry children in a devastated land a mere 200 miles from YOUR border? But oh no, don't let that stop you from splurging on that piece of cheese cake. After all, you can't afford 2.00 to help someone else because this administration has put you in such a bad spot. Will you all get in your cozy beds tonight and snuggle in while thinking about weather or not you should make your own coffee in the am or should you stop by Starbucks on the way to the office? Never mind the mother who has slept in the street and listened to her child cry all night because not only does that child have a gaping wound that has gone untreated but they have had nothing to eat or drink for 48+ hours. Yes, I know you. You are the pride of America. Patriots to the end. As long it's only about you. My heart is heavy knowing THIS is what American's have become.

                                                                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                                                                              #25.7 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:44 AM EST
                                                                                                                              Jen-377162

                                                                                                                              Earthie

                                                                                                                              New Orleans will be in a mess for the next 30 years because the people of New Orleans are still sitting around refusing to help themselves. They sit and watch volunteers rebuild their homes but never offer to lend a hand. I live somewhat close to New Orleans, and people need to start placing blame on the people of that city for not being built back. Mississippi was hit harder, got less media attention and they have built back. They got off their butt, got a hammer and went to work. The people in the 9th ward are still sitting waiting for someone else to pick up the hammer and do it for them. They are too stupid to see they have a corrupt mayor who they re-elected...he's the reason over 100 buses sat idle during Katrina, not BUSH. Sorry, but Katrina is a sore spot with me. So many people are apt to blame our government for what we didn't do. What about blaming the people of New Orleans for what they STILL WILL NOT DO, and that is help themselves.

                                                                                                                              • 3 votes
                                                                                                                              #25.8 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:39 AM EST
                                                                                                                              sheilah-1548186

                                                                                                                              Sally, excellent post. Apparently a lot of these people have never been hungry or thirsty or have had to watch their child die. With your post, you have renewed my faith in my fellow man. Thank you.

                                                                                                                                #25.9 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:47 AM EST
                                                                                                                                rockinwithdokken

                                                                                                                                Jen, everyboby is a product of their enviroment. Ultimately they are responsible to themselves,but when you're dirt poor and I mean dirt poor there is only so much you can do for yourself. Haiti needs help, like anywhere no matter how you were raised and how poor or rich you may be , there are lazy people. Most folks are hard working, don't put all Haitians in one category. I can run down a list of a lot of lazy Americans born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

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                                                                                                                                #25.10 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:56 AM EST
                                                                                                                                Jen-377162

                                                                                                                                I'm speaking specifically about New Orleans not Haiti in this post. I agree about being a product of your environment to some degree but I know volunteers who went there and they worked night and day to help build homes etc. a lot of the time that they were working so hard there was a group of able-bodied men just sitting on the corner drinking beer watching someone else (an outsider) do the work to rebuild the homes, their homes. They may be poor, but they should know to pick up a hammer and at least TRY to rebuild their own home. Instead some of the people there just decided to kick back and let someone else do it for them. I know a church who fed and housed some of the Kartrina people, grown adult people who may be poor, but they should know better than to @!$%# on everything inside the church. They had bathrooms provided, they just decided to crap anywhere and everywhere they wanted, they did this to the church that was feeding them. Tore up pews, broke in cars, all this to the people who were helping and providing for them. Seriously, I don't care how you grow up you know better than that. These weren't two-year-olds they were adults.

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                                                                                                                                #25.11 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:04 PM EST
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                                                                                                                                scoggin

                                                                                                                                Those poor people. Please pray for them.

                                                                                                                                • 7 votes
                                                                                                                                Reply#26 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:08 PM EST
                                                                                                                                jpfs52

                                                                                                                                Yes, I'm so sure God is listening............NOT. Boy oh boy, if Adam and Eve had really known how we would all suffer for their bite on that apple! What a joke....God save us...I don't think so....

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                                                                                                                                #26.1 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:27 PM EST
                                                                                                                                Aaron-1561331

                                                                                                                                i think that what you said is an ignorant statment. you really should respect other people's beleifs even if you dont agree. i hope all G-d helps all the people that look for help and those who dont. On another note, I find it interesting that everyone is so distressed over the UN building and not the Hatian government buildings..

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                                                                                                                                #26.2 - Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:34 PM EST
                                                                                                                                mr-arcadian

                                                                                                                                nah, jp hits it right on the nose.

                                                                                                                                give it up.

                                                                                                                                  #26.3 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST
                                                                                                                                  BettySantoro

                                                                                                                                  I believe if the USA government has money for attacking and killing people in other countries, then we should have enough to help humanity. The government has spent billions on war, why not send the military to do something right.

                                                                                                                                  Have any of you thought that the Universal Law of cause and effect is what directs the land. The universe has to be in balance and sad as it may seem and callous as it may be, the universe will rid itself of overpopulation and it always seems to do it in area's where bad causes are being made by the people.

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                                                                                                                                  #26.4 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:53 PM EST
                                                                                                                                  usmcbridetobe

                                                                                                                                  Betty, I do hope you know this isn't the first time that the military was deployed for humanitarian aid. They are constantly sent out to do this kind of work, and sometimes on a volunteer basis. Haven't you ever seen the pictures of soldiers and Marines in Iraq helping children or other civilians? Or did you just decide to ignore those images? The military only does what they're told to. You really cannot blame the individual members.

                                                                                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                                                                                  #26.5 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:39 PM EST
                                                                                                                                  Jack-1122070

                                                                                                                                  Absolutely usmcbridetobe. I was with the 1st FORCON in Vietnam for 3 years and that is exactly "what it is"........The military does what it is told to do. and in the Marine Corps, it is gospel.

                                                                                                                                  Without the military in Haiti, all of the supplies would be looted and sold on the black market at a 500 % markup. The looting is already starting and thousands of dollars of food and medicine are already gone. .... The military is essential for stability. (OURS that is.)

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                                                                                                                                  #26.6 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:44 AM EST
                                                                                                                                  Jen-377162

                                                                                                                                  Jack you are completely right that the food and meds would be stolen. I just hope that the US can figure out a way to make sure the 100M we give them gets into the right hands and is used for GOOD. It wasn't that long ago we gave them millions and they obviously just flushed it down the toilet. I'm all for us helping anyone in need, but if we are going to give a country that much money then we need a system in place to make sure the money is appropriately used. Our military will end up saving less people because we'll have to be the police and then we will be badmouthed for showing force.

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                                                                                                                                  #26.7 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:29 AM EST
                                                                                                                                  vallan

                                                                                                                                  Haiti has been an impovershed hellhole for years and years and years - internalized and institutionalized graft and corruption. Government officials live in opulence while the general population remains in abject poverty. Any time anyone tries anything remotely entrepreneurial, they're shaken down by local officials for bribes, or they're murdered for the $10 their "business" took in that day.

                                                                                                                                  Haiti will receive the help it needs to recover from this earthquake. And the relief and reconstruction charities will similarly be shaken down by government officials after the glare of the media has faded and moved on to the next Third World catastrophe. Failing a new disaster, the media will go back to focusing on Afghanistan and Iraq. The media has the attention span of an amoeba, and where the media goes, TV-focused societies follow. Mark my words - within 30 days Haiti will fall off the media map, even though it will likely take more than a decade to rebuild. And when they rebuild, they will again use watered-down cement with no reinforcing rebar, unfastened joints, and unprepared foundations.

                                                                                                                                  "Disaster relief" such as that which is now pouring into Haiti is just as addictive as crack cocaine. The country's leaders feel no sense of urgency to develop a self-sustaining infrastructure or organic disaster relief capability since someone else will do it for them. I don't advocate deserting the Haitian people to their suffering, but the Haitian people need to hold their government accountable for the condition in which they find themselves.

                                                                                                                                  Haiti has little in the way of police protection for the common people, since it's all based on bribes, graft, and greed. Haiti needs to develop some kind of tourism, some way to generate international investment and JOBS. Haiti must develop a uniform and universal rule of law - personal property rights, intellectual property rights.

                                                                                                                                  American Airlines, Spirit Airlines, and Delta Air Lines run service to Port-au-Prince. But take a look at their passengers - aid workers, government officials, and a smattering of well-to-do Haitians. Brothers, sisters - help thy self!

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                                                                                                                                  #26.8 - Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:49 AM EST
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                                                                                                                                  Todd-1485664

                                                                                                                                  Luke 21:11 (King James Version)

                                                                                                                                  11And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven

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                                                                                                                                  Reply#27 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:10 PM EST
                                                                                                                                  HP651

                                                                                                                                  Yeah, this is the first time a natural disaster has ever happened in the world. Seriously.

                                                                                                                                  You might be right though, thousands of years of doomsayers, but I bet your hunch is better than the millions that came before you.

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                                                                                                                                  #27.1 - Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:28 PM EST
                                                                                                                                  Lynn-410457

                                                                                                                                  While you are quoting the Bible, remember this verse America, "Where much is given much is required." For all you that advocate not helping and staying involved only in the USA cocoon, remember that. I firmly believe that God allows us to prosper and have a free will, but fully expects us to help our fellow human beings. Remember the parable of the Good Samaritan? Also remember the story of the rich man, who decided to just build bigger barns to store his crops and wealth in, instead of helping his fellow man? God said to him "Thou fool, your soul will be required of you tonight." We are our brothers keeper here on earth whether some of you mean and hateful people want to step up and do the right thing or not.

                                                                                                                                    #27.2 - Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:25 AM EST
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