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Citigroup loses $7.8B in 4Q

Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:25 PM EST
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Stephen Bernard, AP Business Writer
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<p>FILE - In this Oct. 12, 2009 file photo, a Citibank sign is seen outside of the business, in Woburn, Mass. Citigroup said Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2010, it lost $7.58 billion during the final three months of 2009 as consumers still struggled to repay loans and the bank repaid its government bailout money. (AP Photo/Lisa Poole, File)</p>

FILE - In this Oct. 12, 2009 file photo, a Citibank sign is seen outside of the business, in Woburn, Mass. Citigroup said Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2010, it lost $7.58 billion during the final three months of 2009 as consumers still struggled to repay loans and the bank repaid its government bailout money. (AP Photo/Lisa Poole, File)

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NEW YORK — Citigroup Inc. became the latest bank to take a cautious view of consumers' credit problems, reporting a $7.77 billion fourth-quarter loss due to failed loans and the costs of repaying $20 billion in government bailout money.

Even with the loss, Citigroup, the hardest hit of the big U.S. banks during the credit crisis and recession, plans to give big bonuses this month to its top employees.

The earnings report Tuesday, which met analysts' expectations, reflected Citigroup's struggles and changing status in the banking industry. The company was forced to set aside $8.18 billion to cover the loans consumers can't repay, joining other big lenders who are still losing money on loans. But Citigroup, having been forced to shed its big investment banking and brokerage businesses during the banking crisis, lacked those buffers against losses that other major financial companies still have.

The company's focus, therefore is on loans, which are deeply troubled but showing some very early signs of improvement. For example, the addition to Citigroup's loan reserves was down 10 percent from the third quarter, and 36 percent from a year earlier.

And John Gerspach, Citigroup's chief financial officer, noted during a conference call with the media that the number of mortgage and credit card loans that were newly delinquent, or between one and three months past due, had started to stabilize and even drop in some of its lending portfolios.

However, "the U.S. credit story is still very much developing," Gerspach said.

Gerspach's caution was similar to that of JPMorgan Chase & Co. when it reported Friday that it earned $3.28 billion during the fourth quarter thanks to its strong investment banking unit. JPMorgan said it set aside $7.28 billion for failed loans during the quarter, nearly identical to the amount it reserved for bad loans during the final quarter in 2008. It also warned that it didn't know when it would be able to stop adding to its loan reserves.

Gregg Smith, a senior managing director at restructuring firm Conway MacKenzie, said Citigroup's results show the lending business is stabilizing. But he also noted it will be a long time before banks like Citigroup are strong enough to lend at historical norms. Many economists and investors are concerned that this trend could slow the economic recovery.

"They're just crawling out of the ditch now," Smith said of banks.

2009 was a year of drastic change at Citigroup, and it may turn out to have the poorest fourth-quarter showing among the big banks because it lacks the big investment bank and trading operations that have helped other companies like JPMorgan Chase offset their losses from bad loans.

The bank's loss after accounting for payment of preferred dividends came to almost $7.77 billion, or 33 cents per share. That compared with a loss of $18.16 billion, or $3.40 a share, a year earlier. In the third quarter of 2009, it lost $3.24 billion after paying dividends. The latest results were in line with analysts' expectations, according to Thomson Reuters.

"They're trying to keep up with firms in a much better position," Alois Pirker, a research director at consultancy Aite Group, said of Citigroup. "Because of that, (Citigroup is) in a higher risk position."

Pirker said the bank has done well in recent quarters to control costs. Now its profitability will turn on how its loan portfolios perform this year, he said.

By repaying the bailout money, Pirker said Citigroup is betting the economy will recover this year because it is removing a safety net of government support.

But paying the government back also frees Citigroup of restrictions on how much it can pay its employees. Like other banks that received bailout money, Citigroup had to win approval for its 2009 compensation from federal pay czar Kenneth Feinberg.

The bank said previously it will issue $1.7 billion in additional stock as part of a restructured compensation program; the stock is being issued instead of cash payments employees would have received in the past.

Gerspach said average compensation per employee, which includes salary, benefits and bonuses, in 2009 was about $90,000, about 1 percent lower than in 2008. In total, Citigroup spent $25 billion on compensation costs in 2009, down 20 percent from the year before. The average compensation per employee did not decline as fast because of the job cuts.

JPMorgan said Friday that its average compensation per employee rose to $121,124 in 2009 from $101,110 a year earlier.

Citigroup did not disclose the size of the bonus pool or how big cash bonuses would be for 2010. The company will no longer be under compensation restrictions this year because it repaid the bailout money.

The bank, which received $45 billion in government bailout money, repaid $20 billion during the fourth quarter and raised an equal amount of capital to fund the repayment.

Citigroup said it recorded an after-tax loss of $6.2 billion for expenses related to the bailout repayment. The government has converted the remaining $25 billion of the bailout money it gave Citigroup into a 34 percent stake in the bank. The government is planning to sell its stake in the bank during the next year.

Citigroup shed 100,000 jobs during the year and completed 14 asset sales, including the Smith Barney brokerage and Japanese units Nikko Cordial Securities and Nikko Asset Management.

The bank's stock rose 12 cents, or 3.5 percent, to $3.54 in afternoon trading. The stock price is perhaps the clearest indication of how far Citigroup fell during the banking crisis and recession; at the stock market's peak in October 2007, it traded at $45 a share.

For the full year, Citigroup lost $1.61 billion, or 80 cents per share. It lost $27.68 billion, or $5.61 per share in 2008.

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garyray-501488

Cry me a river. The American people have been horsed over by these financial institutions.

These institutions destroyed the world's economy, by intent, by design. It was all a scheme to transfer public wealth into the hands of the financial elite.

Class warfare against everyday American citizens.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. The modern theory of the perpetuation of debt has drenched the earth with blood, and crushed its inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating."
---------------------Thomas Jefferson

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:33 PM EST
JeniferD

These aren't banks, they're legalized loan-shark operations. What financial institution in their right minds charges 32% APR on their credit cards? I quit using mine a year ago, after 18 years as a card holder, and am just trying to pay it off.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:11 PM EST
WILDWONDERFUL

I owe them nothing but my gas card has been acquired by Citi and they now have an interest rate of something like 33%. Being curious I called them and they told me I signed a contract so thus it was legal. Having had this card originally with Phillips 66 from the 80s I said send me the contract I signed. They gave me an address to write to and I have after several attempts have not heard from them.

The Democrats for all their rants and raves have done nothing to take hold of this situation.

    #1.2 - Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:37 AM EST
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    theloneroller

    The Democrats for all their rants and raves have done nothing to take hold of this situation.

    Well the Democrats AND the Republicans are responsible for the deregulation that has allowed the banks to do what they are doing to us today. It has been happening through Republican admins as well. Don't think this is the fault of one party.

      #1.4 - Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:59 AM EST
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      enigma

      @!$%#ing greedy criminals, all of them. I only hope they believe themselves to be "religious" and "moral" humans*, so they can suffer in hell for eternity.

      Citigroup has been on a cost-cutting drive that has reduced annual costs by $13 billion. [Citigroup] is one of four announcing results - and bonuses - this week, including Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

      source

      *Studies have shown that CEOs are regarded as sub- or non-human by a overwhelming majority of actual humans.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#2 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:55 PM EST
      Real World Engineer

      *Studies have shown that CEOs are regarded as sub- or non-human by a overwhelming majority of actual humans.

      On the other hand, I bet CEOs see the majority of people as sub-non-human.

      Given they control the government, industry, legal system, and can pretty much walk all over any of us in the "majority".

      Who is actually the sub-human in our society, them or us?

      The real facts would point to us.

        #2.1 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:17 PM EST
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        shekki_azziz

        Maybe CitiGroup should hire a few more 100 million dollar men (analysts)?

        That is probably why they are still losing money. Not enough highly paid experts on their staff.

        More likely, their hosing of good customers by raising interest rates and their poor customer services are coming back to bite them, as millions of consumers cut up their Citi cards and look elsewhere for their banking needs.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#3 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:03 PM EST
        Socrates1

        Although I do believe that splitting investment banking operations from "normal" banking operations it is interesting that Citi is not doing as well because it doesn't have Investment Banking operations.

        btw...the payoff is a sham anyway on the part of the other banks.

        Maybe those 30% interest rates aren't the way to solvency after all.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#4 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:04 PM EST
        Bruce Dinsman-1568906

        And yet their stock is up today, not a lot, but better than JPMorgan.

          Reply#5 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:08 PM EST
          RF373Deleted
          gagaxixiDeleted
          Real World Engineer

          No worries, I am sure if they or others lose a few billion more, uncle sam can step in and cover the losses for free.

            Reply#8 - Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:14 PM EST
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            Jimmy Barnes

            This is a Catch 22. In times long past, Congress, in it's collective wisdom, abolished the maximum rate of interest that a bank could charge for the use of it's money. It was criminal usury to charge a higher rate. Now that banks can charge whatever interest rate they like, they find that customers can't repay the loans and they (the banks) are incurring huge losses. Not to worry. Congress, in it's collective wisdom, will finance their losses with a bailout. Who will ultimately pay the bill? You got it. The citizen taxpayer. If the bank can't get you at one end of the process, it will get you at the other.

              Reply#10 - Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:51 AM EST
              WILDWONDERFUL

              This article seems like a lot of double talk to me does it to any you ? You pay back so called billions to the government and yet you declare your loosing billions.

                #10.1 - Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:39 AM EST
                tyler

                beaaazer banned, rereg of expanded-foster, most recently bnfbeazer.

                • 3 votes
                #10.2 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:01 PM EST
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                EAS-E Auto Services

                They are simply a backward economics chart at work. Price drops consumers buy more. They believe they charge more the pool they draw from will cover the same or more cash flow? As that fails to work they raise rates assuming they can gain more from less customers. They pay these people an average of 90K+/yr and claim any customer service focus? They ought to just have a service line saying sorry you have problems with whatever you're calling for, just pay your bill and piss off. If they have bad loans all they had to do to increase cash flow through this and reduce losses was to drop interest rates and it wouldn't be so hard to decide does my family eat this month or do I pay an unsecured creditor? Well I'm hungry enough thought on that one. I'm going to go eat lunch. Done over years will only dwindle their power and if they fail let them. Pay a couple million dollar bonus on a business that generates losses, very poor business structure. They had the ability to do right by the American people and they showed they will take all they can until they ultimately fail. Good business strategy! Those that can will pay off debts to not be in debt to them again, and others will go bankrupt due to excessively high demands. Are they truly trying to cause their own demise?

                • 1 vote
                Reply#11 - Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:05 PM EST
                EAS-E Auto Services

                They own Sears cards. Through that site there's a ton of pissed off Sears customers saying I will not buy there again after rates raised from say 15-25% and they were longtime good on time paying customers. Great business strategy! If they think their numbers are losses they should try walking in their customers shoes and the impact of trying to come up with another 5+% monthly as fees and higher rates take over parts of a family budget when jobs are not stable and replacements are nigh impossible to find. Offer 12-15% stick to it for the term of the loan as that's all credit cards really are. If defaulted on after doubled or tripled rates are applied no wonder their losing money. Look up mirror image rule regarding business law, they obliterated that. Defaults and losses are like a car dealer crying the blues because they can't sell a Yugo for the price of a HMMWV. Be Realistic and it comes together, rape your customers wonder why they don't return?

                  #11.1 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:11 PM EST
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