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Court eases business, union election spending rule

Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:05 AM EST
business, politics, us, supreme-court, court, campaign-finance
Mark Sherman, Associated Press

FILE - In this Oct. 5, 2009 file photo, people line up outside the Supreme Court in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File)

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court threw out a 63-year-old law designed to restrain the influence of big business and unions on elections Thursday, ruling that corporations may spend as freely as they like to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress. The decision could drastically alter who gives and gets hundreds of millions of dollars in this year's crucial midterm elections.

By a 5-4 vote, the court overturned two of its own decisions as well as the decades-old law that said companies and labor unions can be prohibited from using money from their general treasuries to produce and run their own campaign ads. The decision threatens similar limits imposed by 24 states.

It leaves in place a prohibition on direct contributions to candidates from corporations and unions.

Critics of the stricter limits have argued that they amount to an unconstitutional restraint of free speech, and the court majority agreed.

"The censorship we now confront is vast in its reach," Justice Anthony Kennedy said in his majority opinion, joined by his four more conservative colleagues.

Strongly disagreeing, Justice John Paul Stevens said in his dissent, "The court's ruling threatens to undermine the integrity of elected institutions around the nation."

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor joined Stevens' dissent, parts of which he read aloud in the courtroom.

The justices also struck down part of the landmark McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill that barred union- and corporate-paid issue ads in the closing days of election campaigns.

Advocates of strong campaign finance regulations have predicted that a court ruling against the limits would lead to a flood of corporate and union money in federal campaigns as early as this year's congressional elections.

"It's the Super Bowl of bad decisions," said Common Cause president Bob Edgar, a former congressman from Pennsylvania.

The opinion goes to the heart of laws dating back to the Gilded Age when Congress passed the Tillman Act in 1907 banning corporations from donating money directly to federal candidates. Though that prohibition still stands, the same can't be said for much of the century-long effort that followed to separate politics from corporate money.

The decision's most immediate effect is to permit corporate and union-sponsored political ads to run right up to the moment of an election, and to allow them to call for the election or defeat of a candidate. In presidential elections and in highly contested congressional contests, that could mean a dramatic increase in television advertising competing for time and public attention.

In the long term, corporations, their industry associations and labor unions are free to tap their treasuries to assist candidates, although the spending may not be coordinated with the candidates.

"It's going to be the Wild Wild West," said Ben Ginsberg, a Republican attorney who has represented several GOP presidential campaigns. "If corporations and unions can give unlimited amounts ... it means that the public debate is significantly changed with a lot more voices and it means that the loudest voices are going to be corporations and unions."

Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate Republican leader who filed the first lawsuit challenging the McCain-Feingold law, praised the court for "restoring the First Amendment rights" of corporations and unions. "By previously denying this right, the government was picking winners and losers," McConnell said.

The case does not affect political action committees, which mushroomed after post-Watergate laws set the first limits on contributions by individuals to candidates. Corporations, unions and others may create PACs to contribute directly to candidates, but they must be funded with voluntary contributions from employees, members and other individuals, not by corporate or union treasuries.

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas joined Kennedy to form the majority in the main part of the case.

Roberts, in a separate opinion, said that upholding the limits would have restrained "the vibrant public discourse that is at the foundation of our democracy."

Kennedy, who dissented from the rulings the court overturned Thursday, said, "No sufficient government interest justifies limits on the political speech of nonprofit or for-profit corporations."

Stevens, in a 90-page opinion that dwarfed Kennedy's, complained that the court majority overreached by throwing out earlier Supreme Court decisions that had not been at issue when this case first came to the court.

"Essentially, five justices were unhappy with the limited nature of the case before us, so they changed the case to give themselves an opportunity to change the law," Stevens said.

The case began when a conservative group, Citizens United, made a 90-minute movie that was very critical of Hillary Rodham Clinton as she sought the Democratic presidential nomination. Citizens United wanted to air ads for the anti-Clinton movie and distribute it through video-on-demand services on local cable systems during the 2008 Democratic primary campaign.

But federal courts said the movie looked and sounded like a long campaign ad, and therefore should be regulated like one.

The movie was advertised on the Internet, sold on DVD and shown in a few theaters. Campaign regulations do not apply to DVDs, theaters or the Internet.

The court first heard arguments in March, then asked for another round of arguments about whether corporations and unions should be treated differently from individuals when it comes to campaign spending.

The justices convened in a special argument session in September, Sotomayor's first. The conservative justices gave every indication then that they were prepared to take the steps they did on Thursday.

The justices, with only Thomas in dissent, did uphold McCain-Feingold requirements that anyone spending money on political ads must disclose the names of contributors. The justices filed five separate opinions totaling 176 pages.

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Associated Press writers Jesse J. Holland and Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.

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KyleN

It's actually a good thing, this way it's slightly more transparent who is buying whom off. Before it was funneled through PACS with strongarm tactics and lots of obscuring smoke.

All it will take to get corruption out of office, is to not elect corrupt people. The joke that you could limit the take through laws is just downright silly. It was always just a smokescreen to hide behind.

  • 7 votes
#1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:33 AM EST
Rhazes

http://politics.newsvine.com/_question/2010/01/21/3788203-do-you-agree-with-the-supreme-court-ruling-allowing-corporations-and-unions-to-spend-freely-in-political-campaigns-

Heres a poll going on in another thread. So far 92% of 3300 voted they don't agree with the Supreme Courts ruling.

  • 21 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:36 AM EST
Mr. Bill Davis

Thank you very much SCOTUS Corporate Whore Judges--you sobs know who you are.

  • 32 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:46 AM EST
Pamela Drew

#1...Kyle N...It's actually a good thing, this way it's slightly more transparent who is buying whom off. Before it was funneled through PACS with strongarm tactics and lots of obscuring smoke.

How in the world do you imagine greater transparency? The PACS and fronts will just grow!

  • 21 votes
#1.3 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:52 AM EST
Feldspar

Here comes the subjugation of America by Corporations.

Not only can they bribe our politicians in all sorts of ways, they can now fund their political careers from start to finish.

  • 27 votes
#1.4 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:54 AM EST
Prophat247

Supreme Court appointments were my biggest concern if Obama got elected as President. Obviously his first appointment wasn't made based on knowledge of the law, the ability to judge fairly or even her understanding of the constitution!

Just think of what the Supreme Court could become if Pres. Obama gets to appoint more judges!

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:55 AM EST
Nicey-1026620

The good old United States of Corporate America.

The vote was 5-4. All 5 Conservatives voting in favor. As bad as extreme liberals can be, I have a hard time deciding which is worse...favoring absolute government authority or selling the Souls of US citizens to Corporate America.

This is just one in a line of many, many steps to create the ultimate elite class. The Wealthy, Government Elite, Celebrities, Top Scientists, Economists, etc. I think they are just all wanting this to happen.

Victory of Civil War creates Ultimate Federal Government, 1886 Santa Clara Court decision gives Corporations the right of Corporate Personhood, Federal Reserve 1913 and Income Taxes, MIC permenantly created for WWII, Have American Citizens pay future taxes to bail out Financial Sector, Rollback Corporate Campaign Laws.

Yep. That all looks about right.

I see the future:

Everyone will be implanted with a chip at birth. In order to participate in the "Global Economy" one will have to meet certain requirements. You will automatically be debited from your working credit whatever the "Corporatism" government deems. You will have nothing that distinguishes you as an individual, all your purchases will be the same as everyones purchases. The Ultimate Elite will be the only ones who enjoy luxury.

  • 17 votes
#1.6 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:02 PM EST
Nicey-1026620

Supreme Court appointments were my biggest concern if Obama got elected as President. Obviously his first appointment wasn't made based on knowledge of the law, the ability to judge fairly or even her understanding of the constitution!

It wasn't his appointees who cleared this vote.

It's "The Roberts" court based on Bush's appointees. The vote was 5-4, with all conservative judges in favor of rolling back the laws.

Not that either party is great. But The Conservatives are the party of Corporate America by far.

  • 26 votes
#1.7 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:04 PM EST
mtpromises

"corporate personhood" is the root of all evil!

  • 24 votes
#1.8 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:04 PM EST
Behind My Screen

Prophat,

Wow. Please stop voting.

5-4 ruling where all the Conservative judges voted in favor of this. We need more Obama appointments to off set this.

  • 21 votes
#1.9 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:06 PM EST
Uncommon Sensibility

It leaves in place a prohibition on direct contributions to candidates from corporations and unions.

It might leave it in place, but it doesn't stop them from trying to slide in like dirtbags. The Republican special interest group, National Federation of Independent Businesses HOUNDED our small business last year with donation requests (and I mean constant calls), which we deferred politely, until a former representative of MN showed up personally, smarmy and good old boysy. When he finally convinced the owners that they were good friends who needed to protect each others' interests, I had to cut him a check. In reading up on it, though, I had discovered it was a political contribution that could not be classified as a deductible expense. That didn't stop the Republican slimebag from wink wink suggesting outright that we slide it into Dues and Subscriptions because "nobody audits little businesses" and "nobody would notice" if they did.

And I don't think for one tiny second that there aren't just as many smarmy, good old boysy Democrats pulling the same shenanigans, either. These politicians are nothing but a bunch of crooks, and they WILL protect whoever protects them. They all just believe they are above the laws they help enact.

  • 12 votes
#1.10 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:07 PM EST
Glinda

Prophat

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas joined Kennedy to form the majority in the main part of the case.

Which of these were appointed by Obama?

  • 18 votes
#1.11 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:07 PM EST
jamithy1

biggest mistake ever was recognizing corporations as persons! Welcome to a new era of "we the corporations"

  • 19 votes
#1.12 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:10 PM EST
Nicey-1026620

Prophat

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas joined Kennedy to form the majority in the main part of the case.

Which of these were appointed by Obama?

Hahahahahaha. I know right?

I just can't wait till Senators have company patches like Nascar Drivers outfits.

  • 21 votes
#1.13 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:13 PM EST
Glinda

I just can't wait till Senators have company patches like Nascar Drivers outfits.

:-D good one!

  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:16 PM EST
KyleN

92% of people in an online poll don't understand what they are voting on isn't what I call surprising. Give them more time and less biased information sources and the result will be different.

Why would a corporation pay extra money to play a PAC shell game when it's legit to give directly? It's extra cost without extra benefit so they can't do it. Giving directly is easier to track than giving indirectly so more transparent.

The people who honestly believed that because of this law corporations and unions were not donating and lobbying and buying votes are living in a fantasy bubble. All that's changed is it'll be slightly cheaper for them to 'donate', and much easier for us to see it.

The current setup favors indirect lobby groups over direct lobby groups. The 5-4 vote was of course political, as who has more to hide? That's where the vote went.

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:16 PM EST
Nicey-1026620

"It's going to be the Wild Wild West," said Ben Ginsberg, a Republican attorney who has represented several GOP presidential campaigns. "If corporations and unions can give unlimited amounts ... it means that the public debate is significantly changed with a lot more voices and it means that the loudest voices are going to be corporations and unions."

This is a conservative saying this.

I don't think it's increasing transparency. It's basically a giant FU to America and is saying very directly and openly if Americans don't already know: Your government is not for you...it's for us, the wealthy.

  • 13 votes
#1.16 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:22 PM EST
Concerned Citizen-1303521

How do you go about charging the SCOTUS with subversion of democracy and treason? Just curious....

  • 9 votes
#1.17 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:24 PM EST
JoulesBeef

Just think of what the Supreme Court could become if Pres. Obama gets to appoint more judges!

as long as he replaces one of the 5 conservatives.. it would be the most amazing and greatest progressive thing for this country that obama has done.. and probably would be the most progressive and best thing for the left that Obama could do.

thanks for reminding us all none of the leftist judges.. voted for it.. only the fascists.

  • 16 votes
#1.18 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:37 PM EST
Nicey-1026620

And for sure it re-enforces the concept of Corporate Rights. The judges argument is that companies are having their free speech censored by not being able to directly advertise which candidates they support.

That is absolute BS. Corporations can and should have their speech regulated not just about this but in general.

  • 13 votes
#1.19 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:39 PM EST
jamithy1

funny how the FCC can censor ACTUAL people, but nobody has the right to censor "fake" people. Does this now clear the way for full swearing, sex nudity , hate speach etc anytime of day on the air waves too? because that actually IS censoring free speech of people.

  • 14 votes
#1.20 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:42 PM EST
Rhazes

89% of the 12,000 people who voted are against it. That's republican and Democrats against it. Corporations run by people from other nations will basically be able to sway votes.

This will allow shareholders from Germany,China,Saudi Arabia, France and other countries to vote. They won't physically be voting but they will pay billions to run ads to manipulate and sway the votes of Americans.

  • 13 votes
#1.21 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:45 PM EST
California Militia

great. let me guess, someone figured out that candidates are not spending nearly enough millions getting elected.

  • 8 votes
#1.22 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:46 PM EST
Rita-900543

Someone needs to check into the legality of this decision. This has to be unConstitutional, and thereby illegal. America, we've got our work cut out for us in cleaning house. All this corruption needs to be eliminated from every aspect of government. I'd bet my life that the head of SEIU that visits the WhiteHouse almost daily is behind this decision. The Supreme Court Judges have been bought off. Besides, can the courts throw out a law that was enacted by Congress with the signature of the President of the United States? Does anyone have that answer?

  • 4 votes
#1.23 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:46 PM EST
Prophat247

Just where did I say that Pres. Obama's appointees voted in favor of this? I didn't. My point was that they voted in favor of limiting free speech!

The court's ruling was correct in my opinion. These laws are designed to limit the free speech, as soon as you limit free speech for someone, others are going to ask that you limit speech for somebody else, where does it end!

Justice Kennedy said, "When government seeks to use its full power, including the criminal law, to command where a person may get his or her information or what distrusted source he or she may not hear, it uses censorship to control thought," he wrote. "This is unlawful." He is absolutely correct, and that strikes at the heart of our nation.

No matter how many previous cases or laws that were passed prior to this were unconstitutional because they limited free speech, and that is what the Supreme Court ruled.

Many of you have argued that corporations should have their speech regulated. Why? Corporations are run by people, they have the right to free speech too! Many of you sound like you would be better off living in Venezuela or some other socialist country that does in fact limit free speech.

  • 1 vote
#1.24 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:55 PM EST
KyleN

Why are you all so bought into the notion it isn't already this way? Who pays for all of the ads we already see? Who bought Obama his candidacy? G. Soros. There is nothing particularly new except the overhead cost in making a shell organization aka PAC.

If anything it allows somewhat smaller, and for that matter slightly more moral, groups spend to produce ads as they don't have to overcome the cost and morals slip to setup a false front.

Also there is some obvious confusion on the difference in a corporation as a person and a corporation composed of people. A person in a corporation is a person with rights, that were violated hence the ruling. Had any of you actually read the first part of the opinion it clearly says that, page 4.

Lots of hyperbole, not much facts.

  • 1 vote
#1.25 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:58 PM EST
jamithy1

These laws are designed to limit the free speech

thats if you believe the court had the right to declare corps "persons" in the first place.

Fyi, speech is restricted everyday. Walk into a movie theater and yell fire, or an airport and yell bomb.... see what happens

  • 8 votes
#1.26 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:59 PM EST
Rhazes

If your an American citizen call and email your Senators on this. The poll shows that this is not a Republican or Democrat issue 90% of us are against it.

We can not let shareholders from other countries take away are right to chose a candidate. These corporations will be able to run their ads 24/7 and there are plenty of studies that show the majority of voters make their decisions based off of Ads.

  • 5 votes
#1.27 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:02 PM EST
Concerned Citizen-1303521

KyleN. We all knew corruption existed. The SCOTUS not only made corruption legal, they made it constituional.

And Prophat, the rights of whom? People? No. Unless you buy into the idea that corperations are people (which the scotus also thinks); people with rights, but none of the responsabilities. If a person breaks the law, his rights can eventually be (after due process) restricted. If a corperation breaks the law (even kills people) they just pay money.

  • 13 votes
#1.28 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:04 PM EST
Nicey-1026620

If anything it allows somewhat smaller, and for that matter slightly more moral, groups spend to produce ads as they don't have to overcome the cost and morals slip to setup a false front.

? There's no way any organization like that has as much money as those who play by guidelines with no ethics...QED mega corps.

Also there is some obvious confusion on the difference in a corporation as a person and a corporation composed of people. A person in a corporation is a person with rights, that were violated hence the ruling.

Whoa, whoa.

That is not what they are allowing. They are allowing the Corporation the free speach to speak as a citizen. Not employees of the organization.

There's no person within the Corporations who is not free to speak, contribute campaign donations, make advertisements, etc as a private citizen.

  • 9 votes
#1.29 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:12 PM EST
KyleN

Small groups didn't have the money or time to setup shell groups only the big players. Now there is less need to play those overhead games which opens it up to smaller players.

They pointed out a corporation is composed of people in a voluntary association. To restrict their speech due to their choice of association is chilling. If Congress said people in MA couldn't donate because of their voluntary association with that land it would be obviously a wrong thing.

    #1.30 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:20 PM EST
    Karen VikDeleted
    Nicey-1026620

    They pointed out a corporation is composed of people in a voluntary association. To restrict their speech due to their choice of association is chilling. If Congress said people in MA couldn't donate because of their voluntary association with that land it would be obviously a wrong thing

    Their free speech is not limited. They (as private citizens) can say whatever the f they want whenever they want.

    If this was so wrong...how has it been law for 63 years?

    A Corporation is not the aggregate voice of its employees. No way. No how. The decision of what a Corporation does lies in the hands of 1-15 people.

    We're really not talking money here when it comes to the corporations in how I'm reading this, we're talking about the lifting of free speech restraints placed on Corporate entities. Contributing money to anything is not a free speech issue. It is not a 1st Amendment issue. Creating an ad campaign certainly is.

    Kyle, your state comparison is not even close to valid. The citizens of MA (the corporation) aren't being restricted from contributing at all. They all have private rights gauranteed regardless of who they work for.

    • 8 votes
    #1.32 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:30 PM EST
    Nicey-1026620

    In terms of Corporate and PAC money, nothing could be further from the truth.

    Not saying both parties don't do their fare share.

    But when it comes to anything Corporate rights (such as Al Frankens anti-rape law) Republicans are always the ones that interject in behalf of the Corporations. Democrats are about government control and government advocacy. From my perspective, they don't want Corps to have the power, they (Dems) want the power.

    Which is trading one set of issues for another.

    • 2 votes
    #1.33 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:33 PM EST
    Karen VikDeleted
    Uncommon Sensibility

    Ahem ... Didn't the IRS just announce they were going to beef up audits due to dire fiscal straits? They are going after some 6000 companies of varying sizes and plan on penalizing heavily.

    Does the left hand know what the right hand just eased into play? We now opened up a massive loophole by which corporations can ensure major chunks of change designed to promote political interests can now be deducted legally. Ya think that might MAKE the IRS money? Or maybe not?

    The Lord giveth, and the government taketh away ...

    • 4 votes
    #1.35 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:35 PM EST
    Karen VikDeleted
    JeniferD

    In the long term, corporations, their industry associations and labor unions are free to tap their treasuries to assist candidates, although the spending may not be coordinated with the candidates.

    So instead of the usual under-the-table bribes our reps and candidates get for their campaigns, these tax cheat corporations can just give the bribes out in the open. Nice job, Supreme Court!

    • 5 votes
    #1.37 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:50 PM EST
    redsfan

    Here's a couple of things you can do if you are against this...like I am....

    Go to this website and signal your support...

    We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United, and move to amend our Constitution to:

    • Firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.
    • Guarantee the right to vote and to participate, and to have our votes and participation count.
    • Protect local communities, their economies, and democracies against illegitimate "preemption" actions by global, national, and state governments

    Move to Amend

    And tell your congressmen to support these bills...

    The Business Should Mind Its Own Business Act would impose a 500 percent excise tax on corporate contributions to political committees and on corporate expenditures on political advocacy campaigns. The Corporate Propaganda Sunshine Act would require public companies to report what they spend to influence public opinion on any matter other than the promotion of their goods and services. The End Political Kickbacks Act would restrict political contributions by government contractors.

    The other measures would apply antitrust regulations to political committees and bar corporations from securities exchanges unless the corporation is certified in compliance with election law.

    Grayson Introduces Bills to Fight Corporate Money in Politics

    • 8 votes
    #1.38 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:58 PM EST
    akfortytexan

    Of course democrats dont like this bill. It gives free market, capatlist business owners in America the same playing field as unions have enjoyed for years. One of Obamas biggest campaign donaters were unions, hell they help form his policies in back room, closed door deals. Now people who believe in capitalism and free market get a level playing field to contribute to campaigns. As far as I can tell this made things more fair.

    • 3 votes
    #1.39 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:07 PM EST
    Nicey-1026620

    Republicans feel they must spend large amounts of money in a short time frame (near elections) or their message will get no hearing among voters who dont listen to talk radio or Fox.

    NBC, ABC, CBS, MSN all blow with the wind of power.

    When the Republicans were all the rage from 2000-2004 NBC, ABC, CBS, MSN all bagged on the Democratic Party. Because it was in vogue. But as soon as the Iraq War turned bad they jumped ship. It's what they do.

    And they'll do it again if the the balance of power shifts.

    • 2 votes
    #1.40 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:20 PM EST
    Nicey-1026620

    One of Obamas biggest campaign donaters were unions

    Hasn't it been proven that the majority (over 50% of his campaign money) came from single internet donations from individuals?

    Not that I disagree with your sentiment, I just don't think that's a good example.

    • 4 votes
    #1.41 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:21 PM EST
    Prophat247

    If your an American citizen call and email your Senators on this. The poll shows that this is not a Republican or Democrat issue 90% of us are against it.

    We can not let shareholders from other countries take away are right to chose a candidate. These corporations will be able to run their ads 24/7 and there are plenty of studies that show the majority of voters make their decisions based off of Ads.

    That doesn't mean that the Supreme Court's ruling was wrong. If you want it changed, you need a constitutional amendment.

    A Corporation is not the aggregate voice of its employees. No way. No how. The decision of what a Corporation does lies in the hands of 1-15 people.

    Same with a union!

    KyleN. We all knew corruption existed. The SCOTUS not only made corruption legal, they made it constituional.

    They are guaranteed rights according to the constitution, it has always been legal.

    And Prophat, the rights of whom? People? No. Unless you buy into the idea that corperations are people (which the scotus also thinks); people with rights, but none of the responsabilities. If a person breaks the law, his rights can eventually be (after due process) restricted. If a corperation breaks the law (even kills people) they just pay money.

    Please explain to me how a corporation breaks the law (without people)? And if a corporation has the ability to break the law all by itself without people, explain to me why the Enron criminals went to prison! By the way, a corporation's rights can also be restriced (after due process), or after Pres. Obama gets done with them.

    This is a fact most people will never get from the media, who mislead the public to think Republicans are the party of "big-business". In terms of Corporate and PAC money, nothing could be further from the truth.

    I have reviewed hundreds of campaign finance reports.

    Karen is exactly right, correcting this injustice of the law benefits the Democrats more than it benefits the Republicans.

    Go to this website and signal your support...

    We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United, and move to amend our Constitution to:

  • Firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.
  • Money is not free speech, but who you pay to say what you want is free speech. That is the part that you are missing here.

  • Guarantee the right to vote and to participate, and to have our votes and participation count.
  • You are already guaranteed those rights.

  • Protect local communities, their economies, and democracies against illegitimate "preemption" actions by global, national, and state governments
  • Again, these rights are protected. To advocate this is to advocate against the federal governemnt's health-care reform.

    • 2 votes
    #1.42 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:25 PM EST
    Nicey-1026620

    In reality, Corporations want protection from competition. They look to the Democrats to provide that for them.

    Yes. And Dems also go the populist rout and do a lot with Taxes, Restrictions, Union Support...all things Corporations hate.

    Don't assume Corporations advocate free-markets and capitalism. They want the state to protect them from exactly that competition. That is why big business contributions heavily favor Democrats. Corporations and Democrats are bedfellows.

    I'm one of the first to point out that Corporations are all about anti-free market. Why would they want competition? They wouldn't.

    But if you look at the most financial sector fiasco who was in Charge of that? Hank Paulson. A known Republican, former Goldman Sachs CEO.

    They (both Dems and Repubs) are bedfellows.

    But there's some real anti-corporate stuff on the left. Environmental Protection, Cap and Trade, Carbon Emission Control, Health Insurance, etc, etc. All big expenses for corporations.

    I'm not sure being pro free market for the Repubs overcomes all those negatives.

    • 2 votes
    #1.43 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:25 PM EST
    Nicey-1026620

    Karen is exactly right, correcting this injustice of the law benefits the Democrats more than it benefits the Republicans.

    Actually she was saying the new structuring of the law will benefit Repubs more than Dems by providing similar advantages to the Repub party that the Dems enjoy. Which is why 5 conservative judges voted for it and 4 liberal judges voted against it.

    If it didn't benefit the RNC, it wouldn't be only voted for by conservative judges.

    • 3 votes
    #1.44 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:27 PM EST
    akfortytexan

    Hasn't it been proven that the majority (over 50% of his campaign money) came from single internet donations from individuals?

    I dont think technically unions can directly donate, they have their member make individual donations. Its no secret they are democrat lobbyist. google "Obama union donaters" (or the like), there are alot of articles about it. I still cant post lnks on the vine for some reason.

    • 1 vote
    #1.45 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:27 PM EST
    Prophat247

    Really? Let's review shall we.

    #1.31

    This is a fact most people will never get from the media, who mislead the public to think Republicans are the party of "big-business". In terms of Corporate and PAC money, nothing could be further from the truth.

    #1.36

    Don't assume Corporations advocate free-markets and capitalism. They want the state to protect them from exactly that competition. That is why big business contributions heavily favor Democrats. Corporations and Democrats are bedfellows.

    Seems that you need to re-read her posts.

    • 1 vote
    #1.46 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:31 PM EST
    Nicey-1026620

    They are guaranteed rights according to the constitution, it has always been legal.

    Um...no they haven't.

    The Bill of Rights only applied to citizens. Not Businesses. In fact, if one looks at the way the constitution is structured it is intended to protect individuals over entities. The power of government was very purposely divided from outside influence (military interest, business interest, private citizen interest - i.e. if you had a relative who was a governor, the way government was originally set up attempted to prevent citizens from getting special treatment from a relative)

    Corporate Personhood has never, ever been established by any ruling by the SCOTUS. Not ever.

    That started here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad

    • 5 votes
    #1.47 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:32 PM EST
    Nicey-1026620

    Seems that you need to re-read her posts.

    She is saying that Dems get more corporate benefit but this new law is not about direct corporate contribution. It's about ading for parties, which will benefit Repubs who will have an easier time getting their donations with less costs.

    As Kyle was pointing out, smaller groups will have an easier time ading for candidates than before.

    I don't necessarily agree with her or Kyle. But that is I believe what she is saying.

    Again...why would 5 Conservative judges vote for something unless it was for something they percieve will give their party an edge?

    It's like if the conservative judges voted 5-4 for some pro-life argument...that's a conservative issue.

      #1.48 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:36 PM EST
      Nicey-1026620

      they have their member make individual donations.

      I could be wrong, but I think Unions are far outweighed by non-Union individuals these days.

      • 2 votes
      #1.49 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:38 PM EST
      ddog

      It's about time the SCOTUS has legitimized the entities who own and run this country! It'll be interesting to see how the Tea Party mob will defend this while opposing Obama's crack down on Wall St. (which of course will be defeated). Bush is back stronger than ever! God help us all.

      • 1 vote
      #1.50 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:42 PM EST
      Prophat247

      Again...why would 5 Conservative judges vote for something unless it was for something they percieve will give their party an edge?

      They are cast off as conservatives because they are originalists. They believe in what the constitution says, and interpret that when casting their vote. They do not use foreign courts or laws when casting their votes, unlike some of the other justices.

      It's like if the conservative judges voted 5-4 for some pro-life argument...that's a conservative issue.

      No that's not what it's like at all.

      If it was that easy to ban abortion, don't you think that a conservative group would have brought a challenge to the Supreme Court and that they would ban abortions.

      Yes, it true that smaller groups will have an easier time donating money, however, those donations will be dwarfed by what the large corporations and the likes of George Soros donations.

      This ruling benefits the Democrats more than the Republicans, you can rationalize it any way you want, but that's the truth.

      • 2 votes
      #1.51 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:43 PM EST
      eriq samson

      OK

      1) Corporations exist (legally) solely to make a profit - it is illegal for them to spend money without the intent of making money; therefore the only reason they would contribute to a ocngressman or senator or presidents campaign is the expectation of making a profit on that contribution ---- any contribution from a corporation should be the kiss of death to a candidate

      Why aren't they? Did our (corporate) media fail us?

      2) no corporations should not have any political rights - the people IN them have rights, but a corporation is a piece of paper --- this ruling protects pieces of paper from actual human beings

      It is time to get rid of crazy laws and political appointee judges

      • 4 votes
      #1.52 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:45 PM EST
      Rhazes

      China could easily dump 500 billion on an election. Less than $1000 to create one.

      • 2 votes
      #1.53 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:55 PM EST
      Karen VikDeleted
      silver163

      HOORAH! corporations have more rights then actual people! HOORAH! every republicans wet dream.

      • 5 votes
      #1.55 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:09 PM EST
      Karen VikDeleted
      silver163

      If the left-wing media were not so corrupt and biased in favor of Democrats, there would be no reason for Republicans to fight for a few extra media advertisement knowing full well that Democrats will gain even more dollars than Republicans from this ruling.

      erh what?

      this sounds like a whole lot of garbage mixed in with a bit of crazy. what are you talking about? you know that all these conspiracy theories have to have some dots connecting right?

      what it talks about is that any corporation albeit american or foreign can go and buy off our government, period. it is a republican's wet dream cause that is what republicans want. they feel that corporations are super citizens.

      • 4 votes
      #1.57 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:19 PM EST
      Minan59

      Of course democrats dont like this bill. It gives free market, capatlist business owners in America the same playing field as unions have enjoyed for years.

      Democrats don't like this ruling because it allows multinational corporations to legally influence American politics. Now there is nothing standing in the way of corporations either buying a candidates influence or smearing them. Democrats should not be the only Americans who are up in arms over this legislating from the bench.

      • 3 votes
      #1.58 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:39 PM EST
      Kathleen54

      Are we really surprised that the republican-appointed part of the SCOTUS is ruling to allow the corporations to have more power over us? Seriously? This is where having a republican president in offices reaches its nadir, when it comes to appointing judges to the SC.

      Pitiful, egregious but not an unexpected outcome.

      • 2 votes
      #1.59 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:02 PM EST
      Nicey-1026620

      If it was that easy to ban abortion, don't you think that a conservative group would have brought a challenge to the Supreme Court and that they would ban abortions.

      It was a hypothetical. I wasn't talking about practicality.

      This ruling benefits the Democrats more than the Republicans, you can rationalize it any way you want, but that's the truth.

      ?

      That's not what the other posters were saying. As Kyle first said:

      The current setup favors indirect lobby groups over direct lobby groups. The 5-4 vote was of course political, as who has more to hide? That's where the vote went.

        #1.60 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:13 PM EST
        tyler

        Karen Vik banned, rereg of The Law/truth__matters/so many others.

        • 4 votes
        #1.61 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:17 PM EST
        Pacific Northwest Blogger

        The Decision by Alan Grayson

        Congressman Grayson was in the courtroom when the U.S. Supreme Court announced its decision. Grayson circulated a petition yesterday, saying: "Unlimited corporate spending on campaigns means the government is up for sale, and that the law itself will be bought and sold." Within hours, over 10,000 people had signed the petition. Rep. Grayson delivered those petitions to the Court this morning.

        Here's the petition

        http://salsa.mydccc.org/o/30019/t/125/tellafriend.jsp?t...

        • 2 votes
        #1.62 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:13 PM EST
        SenSan

        This whole line of thinking is hysterical. Toitally, emphatically and very sad but funny at the same time. Awww, you poor anit-capitalists. What a sad day for you.

        Of course 92% would not agree with today's ruling. It mimicks the ignorant public spewing back what they are fed by the NYT or Newsweek, etc. Like the thirsty drinking salt water; after so much of it your brain dies.

        Hellllloo?? The LARGEST entity in society who is entitled to make or break candidates or public officials and create policy is THE MAJOR MEDIA. As long as they can say whatever THEY want, why cannot ANY OTHER organization?

        Sorry folks. The First Ammendment does not end at the end of this article.

        • 1 vote
        #1.63 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:40 PM EST
        SenSan

        You are right. It is at least acknowleged as legal. If the mass media can do it, why can't my employer?

        • 1 vote
        #1.64 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:42 PM EST
        Ellen-for-Obama

        Unions will be crushed. Corporations will buy the deregulation they need to ensure this. The ramifications of this are endless, and too frightening to think about - but I guess we'd better use the Internet to make some noise about this while we're still allowed. :(

        The idea that a corporation is the same as an individual is insane, and it's just another way of giving an advantage to the already advantaged. It's double representation, with a corporate kick - far more influence than any one average individual voter can attain.

        Nobody from ANY side of the spectrum should be able to buy a politician. The government needs to abide by the wishes of THE PEOPLE.

        Grrrr. This is absolutely infuriating!

        • 3 votes
        #1.65 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:41 AM EST
        bonos_rama

        This is a class example of "class whoring, corporate corruption by corporate lobbyists; hollowed out democracy tied to oligarchy and Empire. "

        I miss Eric...

        • 2 votes
        #1.66 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:43 PM EST
        engineersteveo

        Don't you all realize that free speech only applies to government employees, union bosses, environmentalists and trail lawyers ? The scary part is that there are four jurists on the supreme court bench that voted against this. Which part of the constitution do these leftists not understand ? (Like understanding truth and acting on truth is an actual proclivity of the left) yeah right.

          #1.67 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:28 PM EST
          Concerned Citizen-1303521

          the fact that you think this is a partisan issue is what is scary, engineersteveo

          • 3 votes
          #1.68 - Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:43 AM EST
          Pamela Drew

          #1.67...engineersteveo....Don't you all realize that free speech only applies to government employees, union bosses, environmentalists and trail lawyers ?

          Government employees are generally bound by rather strict limits on their speaking. Moreso during the Dubbya Bush years when gag orders were imposed on most functional positions preventing them from answering routine media inquiries. Instead "Agency" views amount to asking corporate appointees' to do the messaging.

          • 3 votes
          #1.69 - Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:09 PM EST
          Kathleen54

          So, Steev, you believe that corporations should be considered 'persons'? What, a merger will now be referred to as a wedding? Sweet. Honeymoon provided at voters' expense.

          • 1 vote
          #1.70 - Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:32 PM EST
          Reply
          greck

          "The court's ruling threatens to undermine the integrity of elected institutions around the nation."

          and the winner for understatement of the year is.....

          You want bipartisanship? HERE is where we start. Campaign finance reform, Ethics reform.

          People aren't upset about marxism or socialism or fascism or healthcare or cap and trade. We can live with back room deals and even watching the sausage being made.

          People are upset because we have NO faith in our system to fairly represent us even as the one in 305 million that each of us is.

          We could send the absolute best, brightest and most upright person into congress and that person would be either completely ineffectual or quickly become corrupt.

          we need to make the money a non-issue. The party that actually tackles this is going to be the winner for the next generation.

          • 27 votes
          Reply#2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:45 AM EST
          xcomunic8ed

          Here here I completely agree

          • 7 votes
          #2.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:37 AM EST
          CCArm

          I agree Greck, this is one point that I think most of us, regardless of stripe, can agree on!

          • 7 votes
          #2.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:45 AM EST
          Uncommon Sensibility

          Where there is Capitalism, there is greed and corruption.

          Where there is Socialism, there is sloth and corruption.

          Where there is Marxism, there is a plethora of corrupt politicians suddenly unemployed. Sounds good to me!

          Tongue in cheek, people. Easy on me!

          • 2 votes
          #2.3 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:11 PM EST
          SnotRag Dave

          Where there is Money, there is Influence.

          • 12 votes
          #2.4 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:23 PM EST
          JoulesBeef

          in china.. they put political leaders to death who take bribes from corps.

          we simply fire them.. and let them take a cushy job at the place that was bribing them.

          Somehow i think death is a bigger deterrent.

          • 12 votes
          #2.5 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:39 PM EST
          Concerned Citizen-1303521

          Hell, we don't even need to go that far Joules.

          I say 50 years in prison (maximum security) is good enough.

          Bribing a leader is a subversion of democracy and tantamount to treason.

          (yes, I know I've said that before, and I don't think I will stop any time soon)

          • 4 votes
          #2.6 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:09 PM EST
          eriq samson

          U S - I think you are confused - under socialism sloth would not get you anywhere nor would corruption - no one would have the money or power to do so (remember the state withers away - whom can you corrupt?

          I don't think you understand the words you used at all

          • 3 votes
          #2.7 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:50 PM EST
          Reply
          Paul Lucero

          The people of America should adopt the rule of outing.

          Every candidate is asked for a list of corporate donors and has to answer what they believe each corporation wants. Then we fire them by not voting for any candidate with a list that is not in line with the interest of the people.

          This means if you take any corporation money then you get NO VOTES!

          • 9 votes
          Reply#3 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:05 AM EST
          Uncommon Sensibility

          So, assumably, that would mean that Joe the Plumber (as a collective noun) would have to contribute to the campaigning costs. Except Joe the Plumber is broke and unemployed.

          The Golden Rule is the one who has the gold, rules. That means until we level the playing field, corporations will rule America, and we get whatever they choose for us to receive.

          We tried that once before with the inception of unions. Then, many of our unions became corrupt and greedy. I saw it first hand with one of the school's union representatives. He paid his six children more than the going rate of teachers for the complicated task of envelope stuffing.

          There are multitudes of brilliant minds out there. Any ideas?

          • 3 votes
          #3.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:18 PM EST
          Reply
          Kim-618257

          It's total bribery and it should be illegal. Money should not be the determinate of who our President should be, it should be the voters. Politicians continue to be bought and they are not standing up for the citizens and what's best for this country, they are standing up for what's best for their pocketbooks. It's bribery, it's sick and it has nothing to do with the first amendment. This country is going down the toilet and it all started with GWBush.

          • 12 votes
          Reply#4 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:14 AM EST
          Little Sure Shot

          Barry signed the agreement to use federal campaign funds, then backed out to take unlimited mega bucks from the rich and powerful sheeple. Get over Bush already.

          • 5 votes
          #4.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:20 AM EST
          Rockhead-434586

          Your final sentance says it all. The problems started well before the left's favorite whipping boy came to be. Open your mind for a second and look-up some guys named Carter and Clinton...

          • 4 votes
          #4.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:24 AM EST
          Behind My Screen

          Sure Shot,

          80% of his money came from donations of less than 200 dollars.

          • 8 votes
          #4.3 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:10 PM EST
          CCArm

          Barry signed the agreement

          He did not sign anything get your facts straight

          The vast majority of President Obama's contributions came from the internet in increments of 5 to 20 bucks. McCain's crew was just too stupid to push for web contributions.

          • 9 votes
          #4.4 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:17 PM EST
          servant-43

          Bush was nothing compared to Taft and Wilson that allowed the income tax to be created and turned over monetary systems to the Fed. Then you have Hoover and FDR who either caused or worsened the Great Depression. Plus, because they acted too slowly in their efforts to stop Germany, how many more had to die in WWII.

          You can blame Bush for Iraq and Afghanistan, but remember that the truth is that CONGRESS (both democrats and republicans) voted to start both wars! And what would the cost have been in human life if we had done nothing?

          Those that want criminals like Saddam Hussein in political office are probably criminals themselves. Only a criminal allows other criminals to continue committing crimes. It takes courage and determination to stop criminals. Who is willing to defend the criminals that murder the innocent amongst us? Who is willing to stop them from continuing to murder?

          My advice is that people should actually study history and not just be a sounding board for popular opinions held by certain members of the media (both democrats and republicans and all the rest).

          • 2 votes
          #4.5 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:17 PM EST
          Glinda

          Rockhead

          The problems started well before the left's favorite whipping boy came to be. Open your mind for a second and look-up some guys named Carter and Clinton...

          Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas joined Kennedy to form the majority in the main part of the case.

          Which of these were appointed by Carter and Clinton?

          • 7 votes
          #4.6 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:20 PM EST
          jamithy1

          Only a criminal allows other criminals to continue committing crimes. It takes courage and determination to stop criminals. Who is willing to defend the criminals that murder the innocent amongst us?

          is the US willing to hand over George Jr. and SR., Donald Rumsfeld, The entire C.I.A., etc etc? if China had plunked down in washington and nailed old Georgey and his posse when he started the war in IRAQ would you say the same?

          Lets remember, the US didn't go in there to remove big bad saddam because he was a creul dictator, they claimed WMD, when they couldn't find any they switched their story to "oh he was a bad bad man and somebody had to stand up for whats right blah blah".

          There are tonnes of cruel dictators in the world today, and alot of them backed by... you guessed it, The US. So don't try to play the we did it because it was the right thing to do card.

          • 6 votes
          #4.7 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:27 PM EST
          prompt

          It's total bribery and it should be illegal. Money should not be the determinate of who our President should be, it should be the voters.

          Ahah. Way to redirect blame. The voters are still the ones ultimately responsible for putting these people in power. Good job *thumbs up*

            #4.8 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:04 PM EST
            Behind My Screen

            FDR pulled us out of the depression. our GDP was fully recovered by 1936. by the time the war has started it was already up 50% from where it was before the market crash in 1929.

            • 1 vote
            #4.9 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:11 PM EST
            FBI_ONE

            Bush again.. REALLY....

            Corps do not vote you do. Get off your ass and go vote....

            • 1 vote
            #4.10 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:47 AM EST
            American_Soldier15

            FDR pulled us out of the depression. our GDP was fully recovered by 1936. by the time the war has started it was already up 50% from where it was before the market crash in 1929.

            That, and the primary reason that we didn't enter WWII until Pearl Harbor was Isolationism. Quite simply, the majority of Americans didn't want to go to war. They figured it was Europe's problem, and it didn't concern them.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism

            There were those who wanted to get involved, but the Isolationists were both more numerous and better connected in Congress.

            • 1 vote
            #4.11 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:05 AM EST
            Pamela Drew

            #4.7...jamithy 1...Lets remember, the US didn't go in there to remove big bad saddam because he was a creul dictator, they claimed WMD, when they couldn't find any they switched their story to "oh he was a bad bad man and somebody had to stand up for whats right blah blah".

            Not exactly; invading Iraq was the crown jewel and hallmark of the War on Terror that began with the abysmal failure of 9/11 and sold as an act of retribution designed to save American lives.

            • 2 votes
            #4.12 - Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:31 PM EST
            jamithy1

            except that Iraq had zero connection to 9/11

            • 1 vote
            #4.13 - Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:44 PM EST
            Pamela Drew

            except that Iraq had zero connection to 9/11

            Exactly, but having Defense giants own the media didn't make that truth a priority to explore.

            • 4 votes
            #4.14 - Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:08 PM EST
            Reply
            Paddy Clarke

            Great decision by the Supreme Court.

            It evens the playing field for the corporations which faced an unfair scenario with respect to unions and wealthy trial lawyers who could give freely to the Democrats.

            • 6 votes
            Reply#5 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:19 AM EST
            trm2008

            Why don't we just let the corps vote and decide the elections? It'll cut down on traffic, eliminate the need for so many polling stations, and correct the mistaken notion that the voters actually have any power.

            • 12 votes
            #5.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:30 PM EST
            bestquest

            60 comments, 28 votes so far this morning. And this is one I agree with from a middle of the road attitude.

            Kindly review this from a 'freedom' perspective.

            Family farms are now corporations. Your doctor and dentsit is now a corporate entity. The few small machine shops left in the meidwest are family enterprises, but they are corporations.

            Unions membership is way, way down. So is their income, influence, and effectiveness representing the worker in the factory, school classroom, government office.

            • 3 votes
            #5.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:55 PM EST
            CCArm

            Why don't we just let the corps vote and decide the elections?

            then we wouldn't have to have a stacked SCOTUS to decide the outcome in a close race!

            I think you are on to something TRM!!!

            • 3 votes
            #5.3 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:00 PM EST
            trm2008

            The only problem, as I see it, is what would we fight about on Newsvine?

            • 2 votes
            #5.4 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:09 PM EST
            greck

            The only problem, as I see it, is what would we fight about on Newsvine?

            Ford vs Chevy!

            DUH!

            • 3 votes
            #5.5 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:14 PM EST
            BrianAgness

            It evens the playing field for the corporations which faced an unfair scenario with respect to unions and wealthy trial lawyers who could give freely to the Democrats.

            Score: 1 for wealthy corporations and expensive duel party political system

            0 for the people who are unrepresented by corporations and their politicians

            • 3 votes
            #5.6 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:22 PM EST
            xcomunic8ed

            Score: 1 for wealthy corporations and expensive duel party political system

            1? They have had 30 years of victories.

              #5.7 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:38 PM EST
              trm2008

              greck-I've got a Hyundai and a Toyota. *sigh* I'm gonna miss Newsvine.

              • 2 votes
              #5.8 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:39 PM EST
              SnotRag Dave

              The only problem, as I see it, is what would we fight about on Newsvine?

              We could always go back to the days of "Taste Great/Less Filling"...

              • 2 votes
              #5.9 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:22 PM EST
              Uncommon Sensibility

              find a happy place ... find a happy place ... find a happy place

                #5.10 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:37 PM EST
                whatanoddguy

                We could always go back to the days of "Taste Great/Less Filling"...

                Actually, with Budweiser footing the bill for a senate run, Schwarzenegger has demanded that they tackle this issue in the public schools. Something about "teach the controversy".

                • 1 vote
                #5.11 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:06 PM EST
                BrianAgness

                1? They have had 30 years of victories.

                True, though I was just starting the count for 2010.

                  #5.12 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:30 AM EST
                  Reply
                  evilgenius

                  All this does is let groups put up there own tv adds. If you thought you bombarded before, wait 'till November. I'm so glad I have DVR to fast forward through all the bull@!$%#.

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#6 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM EST
                  my-pockets-r-mt

                  evilgenius

                  OMG! you are so right.

                  Right now we have a POTUS that in office because "he with the most money wins" and look where that got us. We can only hope we will know who is giving and why to make our decision in the future.

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:47 AM EST
                  CCArm

                  We can only hope we will know who is giving and why to make our decision in the future

                  We have disclosure now, all you have to do is look. This is not about disclosure. Read it again, it MIGHT help.

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:35 PM EST
                  Uncommon Sensibility

                  There is only ONE great beauty that I can see in this law: We will now publicly know who our corporate establishments endorse and can BOYCOTT those ESTABLISHMENTS if we disagree.

                  As a realtor, I was taught to proclaim my devotion to the Demican and Republicrat parties, thereby eliminating the possibility of losing a customer feeling devoutly one way or the other. How many corporations are going to endorse somebody who, like Tiger Woods, might find skeletons in the closet that would challenge the endorsement and cost the corporation billions?

                  Think anybody would woot woot behind Edwards right about now? "We're for EDWARDS! Kind of regret it. Can't here us now? Just ... forget it." Cha-ching.

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.3 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:08 PM EST
                  Concerned Citizen-1303521

                  Uncommon Sensibility.

                  I am not diving into that pile of @!$%# to glimpse that one great beauty.

                    #6.4 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:14 PM EST
                    evilgenius

                    There is only ONE great beauty that I can see in this law: We will now publicly know who our corporate establishments endorse and can BOYCOTT those ESTABLISHMENTS if we disagree.

                    Sure the cause of this case was Citizens United. Now who the hell are they and how are we supposed to boycott them?

                      #6.5 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:14 PM EST
                      Reply
                      MichelleUT

                      I find it interesting that the dissenting opinion comes from those Judges deemed liberal.

                      • 12 votes
                      Reply#7 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM EST
                      Sir. Thinkswaytoomuch

                      Well, Michelle, the fact of the matter is that the GOP has no interest in cutting corporations out if the election processes. The Democrats aren't a whole lot better, but at least some of the real leftists out here recognize the need for ethics and campaign finance reform.

                      Corporations have way to much power, the GOP is championing them and the Democrats are complicit. We desperately need reform to protect the election process.

                      • 10 votes
                      #7.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:49 AM EST
                      trm2008

                      I find it interesting that the dissenting opinion comes from those Judges deemed liberal.

                      It doesn't surprise me at all.

                      • 5 votes
                      #7.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:30 PM EST
                      MichelleUT

                      Well, Michelle, the fact of the matter is that the GOP has no interest in cutting corporations out if the election processes.

                      Spot on.

                      It doesn't surprise me at all.

                      Sadly, I'm not either. It's just so...reassuring to know those on the "conservative" (I use the term loosely) are really concerned with the little guy.

                      • 3 votes
                      #7.3 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:01 PM EST
                      Reply
                      Pink Iguana

                      This just gives me a sinking feeling in my stomach. The American people have been completley sold out by a vote of 5-4.

                      • 15 votes
                      Reply#8 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:24 AM EST
                      Rockhead-434586

                      Those that are worried by this decision are basically admitting that the standard American Voter is an idiot..easily swayed by some celeb telling them to vote one way or another; that most voters are too lazy and easily manipulated to make a logical, coherent decision based on factual data and analysis of the facts.

                      I guess you are correct, how else could Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank and POTUS get elected?

                      • 7 votes
                      Reply#9 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:28 AM EST
                      Behind My Screen

                      you support the Conservative agenda don't you? Nuff Said about the average voter then.

                      • 6 votes
                      #9.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:12 PM EST
                      Glinda

                      Rockhead -

                      Evernotice that a lot of money gets spent on advertising? Apparently, it really does work. It is not a swipe at the American Voter to accept this fact or try to offset the effects.

                      Those who are not worried by this decision are not dealing with reality.

                      • 8 votes
                      #9.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:23 PM EST
                      Uncommon Sensibility

                      The serious problem in allowing corporations to vote is not that the CAN advertise, thereby practicing their freedom of speech. It's that too many of the corporations would be willing to act first, apologize second. If you can't be right, be wrong louder than anybody else.

                      If they "receive information" detrimental to a candidate not supporting their cause, I would imagine the smear campaigns would run rampant. If later proven incorrect, a quiet back page retraction in micro print would be published, post election. "My bad."

                      • 2 votes
                      #9.3 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:13 PM EST
                      whatanoddguy

                      Idiot is a bit to far but yes, the average voter is very unsophisticated and very easily swayed. People still believe in death panels.

                      • 2 votes
                      #9.4 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:10 PM EST
                      Behind My Screen

                      and they still believe Sadam attacked us on 9/11

                      • 2 votes
                      #9.5 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:13 PM EST
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                      One Miscreant

                      And conservatives argued that liberal appointees, to the US Supreme Court, would legislate from the bench. Savor the irony. Geesh...

                      • 16 votes
                      Reply#10 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST
                      fredegrar

                      Yup. "strict constructionism" = construing corporations as "people", apparently.

                      • 2 votes
                      #10.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:48 PM EST
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                      Prophat247

                      It will make it easier to find out who is giving who how much. However, if we keep electing politicians that receive millions of dollars from corporations, we will never get what is in the best interest of the people. I believe that the best thing to do is to start asking our politicians starting at the local level all the way up to the President who has donated how much to their campaigns and holding them accountable for voting for things against their constituents wants.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#11 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST
                      Rhazes

                      New World Order

                      • 7 votes
                      Reply#12 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST
                      servant-43

                      This is exactly what we do not need - A huge central WORLD government charging a tax to fund its operations.

                      Who will pay this new tax? None of the poor counties of course, after all they are poor. The rich, government workers and unions will be exempt by special lobbying efforts. So, all that remains are the middle class workers in the wealthy countries like the US and Europe.

                      And you thought 14 Trillion was a big deficit - just wait and see what is big. In the book of Revelation the world had such poverty that a day's wage was a few handfuls of grain and the most important commodities are going to be wine (as the drinking water will be gone or tainted) and oil (for cooking, heating homes and as a substitute for electrical lights).

                      Remember just a little over 100 years ago, France and England had ended their campaigns for world domination that had lasted thousands of years. Now they are both part of the same central government. They gave up their military efforts for a financial and government take over. Which country will let the other countries rule over them? How long will the treaties last?

                      • 2 votes
                      #12.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:42 PM EST
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                      johnny angel

                      Absolute power corrupts absolutely; it works all round the world. Let ME control who gets elected and YOU can vote for anyone you like; lets call it democracy. Let's throw in dictators, kings, princes and Walmart. Let's leave our balls at the door; we don't need them anymore.

                      • 9 votes
                      Reply#13 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:32 AM EST
                      Thomas Mendip

                      We don't need no steenkin' democracy.
                      I was tired of it anyway; nice to know I can let Exxon handle the tiresome chore of voting for me.

                      • 10 votes
                      Reply#14 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:32 AM EST
                      One Miscreant

                      So we can now call a candidate's party, by the corporate whore who brung'em to the dance. i.e. Joe Blow of the Exxon party.

                      • 10 votes
                      #14.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:35 AM EST
                      Ellen-for-Obama

                      Big Brother has just reached puberty. It's just a matter of time now. Ah, Democracy. Just posting here is one small way I can enjoy you while you last....

                      • 3 votes
                      #14.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:25 PM EST
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                      AmericanMOM-598098

                      Corporations are not people! This country is in the current position because of the influence entities, such as unions and corporations, have over the law makers. They now work for them; not the people. The 5 Supreme Court Judges probably got their positions on the basis that they would make this decision. Corruption! Corruption! It's taking our country down.

                      • 7 votes
                      Reply#15 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:35 AM EST
                      barking_lobster

                      Just another step towards corporations running our government completely.

                      • 14 votes
                      Reply#16 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:38 AM EST
                      Mr. Bill Davis

                      The corporations are already running our country completely--they have been ever since JFK was elected.

                      • 6 votes
                      #16.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:48 AM EST
                      Reply
                      Plain Sick O taxes

                      Another move to corrupt America , even more.

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#17 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:53 AM EST
                      Calvin Tang

                      The Founding Fathers wanted 1 person 1 vote (later rightfully clarified to include non-whites and women). They never imagined that we'd pervert the Constitution into allowing for companies to amass what is equivalent to voting power. In modern terms, dollars = votes, and today's politicians enact legislation and bow to pressures exerted by lobbyists and companies in a way that is totally contradictory to the spirit of what our democracy was supposed to enable (influence of people upon the government). To me, the influence of non-people upon our government is the single worst aspect of our "democracy", as these entities do not have lifespans and many of them are not even American and thus have agendas to carry out that run counter to the national best interest.

                      Worst. Decision. Ever.

                      • 29 votes
                      #18 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:00 PM EST
                      usfreestar

                      I agree wholeheartedly.

                      We need to change the contribution laws for politicians so that no one can receive money from special interest groups for election campaigns, for pork spending and subsidies for special organizations, or for entire industries to get special attention or advantages in Washington DC.

                      Until then our democracy is the best money can buy - working against We the People.

                      • 8 votes
                      #18.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:07 PM EST
                      jamithy1

                      and which country has the highest foreign ownership in the US? heres a hint... it starts with "C" and ends with "A"....... and its not Canada

                      • 4 votes
                      #18.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:12 PM EST
                      blindsided-1194485

                      Colombia?

                      • 5 votes
                      #18.3 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:19 PM EST
                      jamithy1

                      haha you know who i mean.

                      • 1 vote
                      #18.4 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:28 PM EST
                      jamithy1

                      thats china for any of you who can't figure it out. lol

                      • 3 votes
                      #18.5 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:29 PM EST
                      blindsided-1194485

                      Oh,....right! :)

                      • 2 votes
                      #18.6 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:33 PM EST
                      One Miscreant

                      Right on Calvin!

                      • 3 votes
                      #18.7 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:58 PM EST
                      keith in DSM

                      I always wondered what date a "cold day in hell" was. Now I know.

                      • 1 vote
                      #18.8 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:32 PM EST
                      One Miscreant

                      I'm curious, how many believe these laws/rules actually worked?

                      • 2 votes
                      #18.9 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:34 PM EST
                      s.heraclitus

                      You mean it's not Costa Rica? Ah, Man... /s

                      • 3 votes
                      #18.10 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:50 PM EST
                      bestquest

                      Calvin,

                      worst decision ever ??

                      Try congress vote on Bay of Tonkin resolution. One Navy ensign says he alone saw a North Vietnam patrol boat approach his ship. Treated as an act of war!! And off we went.

                      Try sending 51,000+ American soldiers and marines to Afghanistan MINUS supplies. To chase who west point counted in late June 2009 and could no longer find in December 2009.

                      Cuba embargo for over 55 years. For heavens sake, this should be the 51st state already. Thanks John and Allen Dulles for a terrific American screw up.

                      I am sure you can sit back and remember a few hum dingers yourself. And if none come easily to mind, visit someone born 1950 or before.

                      And this is at the federal level!! Just wondering how many local situations are equal.

                      • 3 votes
                      #18.11 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:54 PM EST
                      Prophet

                      True enough Calvin except that politicians aren't bowing to pressure from lobbyists. Lobbyists are actually writing legislation and giving it to their "bought and payed for" politicians to pass off as their own. Our government has been in bed with big business for quite a while. It looks like now they're ready to tie the knot.

                      • 5 votes
                      #18.12 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:46 PM EST
                      Hatuxka

                      If this decision had been handed down some time in the first 80 years of this republic, we'd still have slavery. So I agree, it tops Dred Scott for being as you described it.

                      • 4 votes
                      #18.13 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:55 PM EST
                      A Wadsworth

                      Kind of reminds me of the eminent domain ruling handed down in 2005. Another stellar ruling!

                      • 2 votes
                      #18.14 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:06 PM EST
                      Calvin Tang

                      bestquest, I was referring to the SCOTUS, but even so I'm sure that someone can come up with an example or two of worse decisions - though this one really sucks!

                      Prophet, true dat.

                      We need to impeach the Supreme Court Justices who voted for overturning. If only we could.

                      One would hope that the high court would be the one branch of government that would disdain and try to prevent the corruption that so openly happens between business and the other two branches. But, it's all back room favors and under-the-table dealings - apparently even for those appointed to life terms.

                      Checks and Balances indeed.

                      • 1 vote
                      #18.15 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:06 PM EST
                      Behind My Screen

                      Calvin, we can!

                      we just lack the 67 votes in the senate to convict.

                      • 1 vote
                      #18.16 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:18 PM EST
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                      Mike-584822

                      It leaves in place a prohibition on direct contributions to candidates from corporations and unions. The money will go for commercials which we can fast forward through on our DVRs.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#19 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:03 PM EST
                      Uncommon Sensibility

                      I don't own a DVR. :(

                      • 2 votes
                      #19.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:15 PM EST
                      Mike-584822

                      Then you could you use your VHS machine to record your shows. However I don't own of those any more.

                      • 1 vote
                      #19.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:26 PM EST
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                      Idj

                      Help me sing this song folks;"SIXTEEN TONS, WHAT DO YA GET-A LITTLE BIT OLDER, AND DEEPER IN DEBT- PETER DON'T YA CALL ME, CAUSE I CAN'T GO- I OWE MY SOUL TO THE COMPANY STORE".

                      This use to be the LAND OF THE FREE. It has now become the LAND OF THE INDENTURED SERVANTS!

                      Thanks Republican appointed Justices.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#20 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:05 PM EST
                      Rita-900543

                      ldj; instead of worrying about what party put them in....worry about getting them out. The party bashing has got to stop, because we're all in this fight together. We all want what's best for this country and our people. Find what we can agree on, and let's build an army on that.

                      • 3 votes
                      #20.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:55 PM EST
                      A Wadsworth

                      Rita-900543

                      There are only two ways a SCJOTUS leaves. 1. Retire 2. Impeachment. The second is not very likely to happen regardless of who controls Congress.

                      • 1 vote
                      #20.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:52 PM EST
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                      HairyBackJoe

                      Senator Schumer (D-New York) and Representative Van Hollen (D-Maryland) are supposed to be working on a solution (according to US PIRG). They are also the two in charge of Democratic Campaign committees.

                      You can urge your legislators to work on getting this fixed. U.S. PIRG has an automated form for contacting them about this issue.

                      If that isn't enough, contact the above Senator and Representative to let them know you'll rethink your monetary contributions to the upcoming 2010 elections.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#21 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:08 PM EST
                      trm2008

                      What they need to work on is repealing Corporate person-hood.

                      • 7 votes
                      #21.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:36 PM EST
                      mtpromises

                      exactly.......corporations are NOT people ---they get all the rights of a person, but none of the responsibilities............if a corp commits an offence, who the hell do you hold accountable? usually they just pay some nominal fee for their corruption and business goes on as usual....if an individual (who is not rich or corporate) commits an offence, they throw the book at them

                      • 4 votes
                      #21.2 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:42 PM EST
                      FBI_ONE

                      CORP are people.... Ever heard of shareholders!!!

                      Now they are spending their earned profits in the bank to back any canidate they want.

                      You do that as well right??

                      PS. the shareholders are held accountable. People go to jail all the time. read some news..

                        #21.3 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:55 AM EST
                        jamithy1

                        CORP are people.... Ever heard of shareholders!!!

                        and all those shareholders are free to cast their vote just like you, do you think that because they have money they are entitled to more votes than everybody else? if you own shares in 20 companies you should be free to cast 20 votes in the next election as opposed to the one vote the guy who works for minimum wage gets?

                        i say "up your elitist ass" with that one

                        • 2 votes
                        #21.4 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:56 AM EST
                        trm2008

                        do you think that because they have money they are entitled to more votes than everybody else?

                        Evidently the conservative Supreme court justices think so.

                        • 2 votes
                        #21.5 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:08 AM EST
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                        jay gray

                        Well now it seems that it's back to the drawing board for a huge chunk campaign finance reform. Great so maybe now we can all demand that congress take the necessary steps to address this issue by passing the Fair Elections Now Act instead of sitting on their thumb's as they always when it comes to issues like this.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#22 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:09 PM EST
                        s.heraclitus

                        Deep Pocket Corporations and Unions have just be given the official right to determine who our elected representatives are. The Supreme Court just Shot Down "Government By the People and For the People". As of today America is a "Government by the Uber-Wealthy and for the Uber-Wealthy".

                        Just two-days after the people got their voice heard load and clear, the very people it helped (Republicans) trample on the people's right to control the outcome of elections. Is it any wonder that the loudest cry out there is the one to remove ALL INCUMBENTS from BOTH PARTIES?

                        My Nightly Prayer is For all REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS to ROT in HELL!

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#23 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:20 PM EST
                        orange-756308

                        This is good for scumabgs like Joe Lieberman, at least he doesn't have to lie anymore about taking bribes from the insurance industry.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#24 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:27 PM EST
                        blindsided-1194485

                        Well it's finally the law. Corporations not only own the country, they own the government. The will of the people has been thwarted in the highest court in the land. From now on they will openly control candidates, campaigns and totally control legislation. We are on our way to a slave/master state. There are those who scare the people with threats of a socialist government. That's the last thing any of us needs to fear now. We all now simply exist to serve our corporate masters. We are well on our way to being a third world franchise in what is the new world order. Thanks SCOTUS.

                        • 5 votes
                        Reply#25 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:30 PM EST
                        trm2008

                        The conservate supreme court justices just made it official.

                        • 6 votes
                        #25.1 - Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:37 PM EST
                        FBI_ONE

                        What will of the people??? are you crazy...

                        Corps are PRIVATE money owned by shareholders!!! If you waant to sell your house and donate using that asset then go ahead!! If CORPS shareholders vote to send THEIR PRIVATE PROFITS then they can too.

                        You should welcome FREDOM OF SPEACH. Shareholders are speaking with their PRIVATE money. Go buy some shares or go vote for someone else!!!

                          #25.2 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:58 AM EST
                          trm2008

                          Bull. The shareholders can send their private money out of their private bank accounts just like everyone else. Welcome to the Corporate States of America! Its official now.

                          • 2 votes
                          #25.3 - Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:10 AM EST
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