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Obama to announce high-speed rail plan post-speech

Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:12 AM EST
business, politics, us, obama, barack-obama, speed, rail, high-speed-rail
Julie Pace, Associated Press
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WASHINGTON — A day after delivering a State of the Union address aimed at showing recession-weary Americans he understands their struggles, President Barack Obama intends to award $8 billion in stimulus funds to develop high-speed rail corridors and sell the program as a jobs creator.

Obama and Vice President Joe Biden plan to announce grants for 13 major corridors during a town hall meeting in Tampa, Fla., Thursday, the president's first public appearance following his speech to the nation. It's an attempt by the White House to show that getting Americans back to work is the president's top priority and that he has a plan for how to do it.

The president's visit to the region means Florida's proposal for a high-speed line connecting Orlando and Tampa is likely to receive funding. California's proposal for an 800-mile-long rail line from Sacramento to San Diego and a nine-state proposal in the Midwest are also considered strong contenders.

The $8 billion in funding for high-speed trains and other passenger rail projects is part of the $787 billion recovery act. Besides the 13 corridors receiving grants, a White House official said several smaller awards will be made for improvements to existing rail lines. Overall, 31 states will receive funds.

The official said the projects are expected to create or save tens of thousands of jobs in areas like track-laying, manufacturing, planning and engineering, though there is no time frame for how long it will take for those jobs to develop. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to speak ahead of the president's announcement.

Though the White House is quick to point out that the economy is no longer on the brink of a depression, as it was when Obama took office, stemming the free fall hasn't translated into job growth. The unemployment rate has hovered near 10 percent for several months, while Obama's approval ratings have dropped.

With that in mind, Obama will spend about two-thirds of his speech on the economy, telling Americans in specific terms that he understands their struggles. He'll reinforce that message in the coming weeks by laying out a number of job creation initiatives, the first of which will be the high-speed rail grant awards to announced Thursday in Tampa. Trips to Maryland and New Hampshire will follow.

In Florida, a swing state Obama carried in the 2008 election, Obama will face a populace where more people disapprove of his performance than approve — 49 percent to 45 percent, according to a new Quinnipiac poll, the first time the numbers there have shifted in that direction since Obama's election.

Even experts who favor high-speed rail question whether the awards Obama will announce Thursday can turn into the job generators the administration is hoping for. Because the U.S. has never had the kind of bullet trains found in Europe and Asia, there are no U.S. engineering companies or manufacturers with experience in high-speed rail. Anthony Perl, who heads the National Research Council's panel on intercity passenger rails, said that means much of the technology will have to be purchased abroad.

At a rail manufacturing conference last year, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said more than 30 foreign and domestic companies have promised to establish or expand operations in the United States if they are chosen to build high-speed lines.

Still, high-speed rail experts say that if the administration spreads the $8 billion among more than a handful of projects, none of the projects will get enough money to get up and running.

"If they want this money to have an impact they are going to have to give a lot to a few states," said lobbyist Tim Gillespie, who represents two large French rail companies.

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Associated Press writer Joan Lowy contributed to this report.

© 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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authorondo

The final line in the article says:

high-speed rail experts say that if the administration spreads the $8 billion among more than a handful of projects, none of the projects will get enough money to get up and running---

just more talk, while America runs on empty.

Now that Iraq is saved and pumping oil, why can't Obama and Hillary Clinton get a return on that investment? Where is the payback? If we're going to leave Iraq at least negotiate a deal to receive some low cost oil. That will help lower the price of energy which will fuel an economic recovery. You won't see this in Obama's speech.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:00 AM EST
my-pockets-r-mt

Florida is looking for money for the high speed rail to go to disney world. Now isn't that precious?

Taxpayers local and federal will be on the hook for this.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:03 AM EST
Simplistic Reality

Lmao. You mean Disney Worlds monorail dosen't leave the park? Gasp! :P Wow that is dumb. Disney can pay for it then. High speed rail would be useful in places between cities that are heavily congested. It works very well in Europe and I think most people would take a high speed rail to work.... instead of spending 1+ hrs in traffic each way to go to work and deal with rush hour. I would if I was in that situation. I'd take it between Seattle and Portland if we had one all the time... instead of the Amtrack train that is slow and can't even push 70mph.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:54 AM EST
paxildog

Just more Obama taking credit where none is due to him.

http://www.mtc.ca.gov/planning/rail/high-speed.htm

The California high speed rail is not funded with stimulus money and is not planned for it. No Stimulus is going to anything in CA right now including the ACE project that is a "Sunset" program funded the state bonds. John Chainey the state controller is right, California will have to help itself out of this "Depression" as no help from the feds is due at all until October this year and that is only a few million dollars that were approved so far.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:41 AM EST
marcv-1026579

I will place a bet on this - Something tells me that Reid will get his rail from LA to Vegas. I am sure that corridor is on the list.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:26 PM EST
paxildog

Presently being designed and yes it will be done but again, not with stimulus money.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:29 PM EST
Simplistic Reality

I am sure that corridor is on the list.

I read something about that.. and that would be the biggest money ever.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:01 PM EST
Doug-375144

More blah blah blah from the 0' team , I think 0' likes to keep the american public worried and on edge that way he can keep them on the gov't line while he sinks the hook to his overspending gov't agenda if he really cared about jobs why wait a year to start doing something and then announce the same plan as before that didn't work. jobs created since he took office -3,000,000 and increasing

    #1.7 - Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:36 PM EST
    Roy Batty

    Something tells me that Reid will get his rail from LA to Vegas

    It might be politically fortuitous, but I'll bet that particular line would be practical and well used. There is nothing wrong with a political "win" that serves the public well.

    In contrast to this.

    • 1 vote
    #1.8 - Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:32 PM EST
    Real World Engineer

    Alot of the reasonalbe high speed rails proposals like the one in Nevada, will be practical and profitable.

    The only problem comes when some congressman manages to finagle a rail in his home state that goes from no where to no where or services just rural and middle size towns. Such projects have no hopes of ever being profitable and are not practical.

      #1.9 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:30 PM EST
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      Plain Sick O taxes

      Another broken promise ? Remember the little girl and her mother to whom he promised a new school. I think her name was Bethea . Well not only don't they have a new school, but the mother has lost her job as well. And unemployment in that area has grown to 18% . One more time Dept . : As Andy Rooney said to Howard Cosell , " Howard , if words were birds , you'd be covered with White ".. Obama wasn't around then but with him on the scene now, we have a better model to hold up for Rooney's description.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#2 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:44 AM EST
      Carolyn Johansen

      High speed rail is great but what about the rest of the crumbling infrastructure in the USA. A lot of jobs could be created, if we just spent the money to repair or replace all the crumbling bridges across the USA.

      Remember the Minneapolis, MN bridge collapse of 2007. 13 People DIED and 145 were injured. Replace the bridges that are so dangerous and put people to work!

      • 3 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:32 AM EST
      Real World Engineer

      A national bridge building policy would wastefully eat up too much money in dead or dying areas in the country (i.e. many of the old mfg areas that haven't move on, MN).

      Targeted approaches are much more effective for stimulating areas of the country not on a certain path to the grave. Put funds into place where one day you will see a return or improvement. Not into areas that have no hope and no significant future.

        #3.1 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:25 PM EST
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        Chuck101

        Obama and the rest of the hard left are stuck on stupid. Our government appears to be on autopilot now with a drunk and confused captain wondering what to do as we approach a mounting range.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:19 AM EST
        my-pockets-r-mt

        Chuck

        The only thing the potus is wondering is what do americans want to hear in order for elections to go their way.

        • 2 votes
        #4.1 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:10 AM EST
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        Live free or die-1271133

        It is like a 2 hour drive from Tampa to Orlando. Is this guy really that stupid? All that money for a rail system that very few people will use.

        I have given up on Obama. I hoped for the best when he won even though in my heart I knew he was going to screw up everything he touched. At least I did not vote for the fool.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#5 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:28 AM EST
        greg-709692

        Raise the Deficit Roof! What the Heck! It's only money!

        I won't give up my car and privacy! Linx Bus System should tell them, public transportation is for the few and not the many.

        Why do they think the Linx Bus Windows have advertising all over them! They don't want people to see there are only 4 people on the bus, as the State constantly shells out money to prop up the bus system.

        Linx is in the Red!

        • 1 vote
        Reply#6 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:36 AM EST
        Will_4_Freedom

        Who is going to run these high speed railroads once they are built? The Federal Government? Like they run AmTrak? In the hole 260 Million in 2009?

        • 1 vote
        Reply#7 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:03 PM EST
        Real World Engineer

        Amtrak is in a hole because no one wants low speed rail.

        It is not a given that the samething wil apply to high speed rail.

        • 2 votes
        #7.1 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:27 PM EST
        Simplistic Reality

        Just as subways are vital to NY city and other cities nationwide... high speed rail would be very popular and vital as well.. especially once gas prices start going nuts again.

          #7.2 - Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:25 PM EST
          Roy Batty

          It could also help relieve the congestion we have skies ... as well as some of the fears many have about flying.

            #7.3 - Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:34 PM EST
            Real World Engineer

            As long as they keep the high speed routes serviceing major Urban areas and very popular tourists spots. They will be practical, profitable, and very successful.

            The only problems arise when they start building connections to middle, small and rural America, like the alot of the western plains and midwest. These areas will never be profitable and will only turn the system into a mess like the airlines.

              #7.4 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:34 PM EST
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              paxildog

              California and Nevada will run theirs with the California High-Speed Rail Authority since it's state bonds and an agreement with Nevada. Don't know if they will do any better though.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#8 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:06 PM EST
              Brad-1238300

              Don't say something is not worth building just because it does not pay off. Most highways in this country have not payed themselves off.

              Amtrak has never made a profit outside the Northeast Corridor because they do not provide the same level off service as on the Northeast Corridor. Increasing speeds and frequencies would encourage more people to us the train.

              I'd rather take the trains then fly. Most of the air travelers in the eastern half the country are going to other locations in the eastern half of the country. The airways are congested and the train is the solution. It's working with the Acela on the NEC. Plus one can use their cell phones and internet while on the train.

              The Majority of Americans want better rail service. Expect more money going toward passenger rail and for that matter freight rail to in the coming decades.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#9 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:36 PM EST
              Simplistic Reality

              The Majority of Americans want better rail service

              I think so too. We used to be leaders in railroads... but haven't been in forever. Our entire rail network isn't even designed to go no more then 70mph, old, and out of date.

              • 2 votes
              #9.1 - Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:03 PM EST
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              SCTexan

              Did I see that the Tampa to Orlando high speed was going to cost, in the end, $50 million a mile? What the? I looked up the latest rail in France and it costs $4 million per mile.

              http://politicalcenter.newsvine.com/_news/2010/01/29/3827222-obamas-high-speed-rail-35-billion-for-little-reason-at-all?last=1264785050&threadId=778790&sp=0&pc=25&commentId=12059981#c12059981

                Reply#11 - Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:34 PM EST
                paxildog

                Yeah, you got it right. 50 mil per mile sounds about right for any fed job. Get it to be state funded and bonded with no fed money and the cost will instantly be cut in half. Make it design/build,run and you cut the cost for bonding down to nearly nothing. Toll roads throughout California were being built by the last method, costing taxpayers nearly nothing, the builders made so much money, the state bought the roads from them, left the tolls the same and now have an income. Wow. Go figure that if it is private, they make money, public they lose money, federal public and it's a drain on the national economy. Less government is ALWAYS the best choice.

                • 1 vote
                #11.1 - Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:17 PM EST
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