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Canadian official seeks heart surgery in US

Tue Feb 2, 2010 2:24 PM EST
world-news, united-states, canada, surgery, premier, cn
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— The premier of Canada's east coast province is undergoing heart surgery in the United States this week because the treatment he is seeking was not available in his home province.

The announcement about of Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams' plans has triggered a debate since Canada prides itself on its universal health care system.

Kathy Dunderdale, the province's deputy premier who is taking over in his absence, said Tuesday that Williams decided to go to the U.S. for surgery after weeks of consultation with his doctors. She did not say where in the U.S. he would seek care.

Dunderdale says having the surgery done in the province was never an option. But she wouldn't comment on whether the type of surgery Williams was having was available elsewhere in Canada.

In Newfoundland, opposition Liberal Leader Yvonne Jones offered Williams her wishes for his full recovery. But she said he owes the public more of an explanation about exactly what procedure he needs and why he felt it necessary to go to the U.S.

Williams, 60, is an independently wealthy former lawyer and businessman who donates his premier's salary to charity.

He will take from three to 12 weeks to recover and will speak publicly about his condition once he is well enough to do so, Dunderdale said.

"Ultimately we have to be the gatekeepers of our own health," Dunderdale said.

© 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Beckyal

It seems that alot of indidivuals from other countries come to America.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:05 PM EST
Corie

Wonder how many others are "independently wealthy" Canadians who either can't or don't want to be operated on under their own country's

universal health care system

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 3:16 AM EST
crispy2000

There are reportedly travel agencies in Canada which specialize in "medical tourism" -- going out of the country to obtain medical care.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 11:17 AM EST
Keithsn

They leave the country because of the wait lists. Anyone who has the money would do the same thing.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 10:45 AM EST
Glinda

None of the above is true.

Danny Williams may have many reasons for leaving Canada for treatment - it wasn't because it could not be provided here or he would have had to wait.

There are, of course, differences between what’s on offer on either side of the border. For example, Taylor said some wealthy patients are enticed to U.S. medical “boutiques” that advertise surgery with very small incisions and sometimes robotic equipment. But those innovations are not proven, he added, to be better for the patient. Doctors in both Canada and the U.S. are divided on them. Another difference is the deluxe service offered, for a price, by some famous U.S. hospitals, such as the highly ranked Cleveland Clinic. “It is true that the Cleveland Clinic has so-called concierge treatment,” Taylor said. “They will meet visitors at the airport in limos. I suppose that might be very seductive.”

Danny Williams is aka Danny Millions - he is so wealthy he donates his salary as Premiere of the Province to charity. So while he can buy these frills in your system but not in ours they are not essential to a good health care system.

Crispy, I have never seen such services advertised no have I known anyone who used or wanted to use them. On the other hand, people come from all over the world including the US for excellent care.

Why don’t sick American millionaires come north for such surgeries then? Actually, they often ask to, but are usually turned down. The reason: since 2004 Canadian physicians and hospitals have generally not been insured if malpractice suits are brought against them following elective surgeries in U.S. courts, where judgements can be huge.

If you want actual facts and analysis check out Macleans article.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:20 PM EST
crispy2000

Crispy, I have never seen such services advertised no have I known anyone who used or wanted to use them.

Actual facts are great! Here's something I found with a quick search:

Delays for medical interventions such as hip and knee replacements, spinal surgery, and ophthalmologic procedures are a serious problem in Canada. Federal and provincial governments are struggling to shorten waiting lists and provide timely care. Patients often wait months to obtain appointments with specialists, undergo diagnostic tests, and receive treatment. Lack of access to family physicians can make obtaining care particularly difficult.

Recognizing that many Canadians are unable to obtain prompt treatment, medical tourism companies promote travel to medical facilities in other countries.

...

At least 15 medical tourism companies operate in Canada.

This is from an article in Canadian Family Physician a peer-reviewed medical journal, the official publication of the College of Family Physicians of Canada.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:38 AM EST
Glinda

1) Your article is 3 years old.

2) If you look into the footnotes to the piece, it turns out the "back up" to this medical tourism companies info is on the CMAJ site which actually says no such thing, as you can see (full text below). link

US ad uses lure of prompt treatment to entice Canadians needing joint replacement C. Johnston

A Virginia hospital has used newspaper advertisements to solicit Ontario patients who are waiting for hip- or knee-replacement surgery. The ads promote the medical services of US orthopedic surgeons and call attention to exasperatingly long waiting lists for the same surgery in Canada. "Pain doesn't wait," they state. "Neither should you." The hospital says it has been receiving more than 100 calls a week inquiring about the procedure, which costs $15000 (US).

FYI, the head of the CMA at that time was himself the operator of several private clinics and was basically a lobbyist for private health care.These games have been going on in Canada for a long time, trash talking our system in the hope of convincing Canadians to sign on for privatized care. However, the support of average Joe Canadian for keeping our system public continues to be overwhelming.

I know what our system offers and where it could be improved and will happily discuss with anyone genuinely interested.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:28 PM EST
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Nofluer

Hummm... why would a wealthy person go to a different country to have serious possibly life-threatening surgery? Could it have something to do with the Conflict of interest that would exist in a State Run medical system and punitive estate taxes? If the patient dies, the State gets a huge chunk of change...and the government run "health care systems" are ALWAYS short on money...

Just speculating here... ;-D

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 1:13 PM EST
Keithsn

Theres no conflict of interest, the health care system is for everyone regardless of political status. He left becasue of the wait lists and the fact that money can buy anything in the states, where he wouldn't have to wait his turn. Anyone with money would do the same thing.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 10:46 AM EST
Glinda

Nofluer

You're out of your depth and very short on facts. There is heart surgery, as well as other complex treatment conducted in Canada every day.

Keithsn

He did not leave because of wait times - heart surgery does not go on a wait list.

Although he could not get the surgery in his province of Newfoundland (which is small and rather remote, and somewhat underserved by doctors) he could certainly have had it done elsewhere in Canada.

Please see the link in my comment above.

  • 1 vote
#3.2 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:23 PM EST
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