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Rangel: Lawmakers writing compromise health bill

Tue Feb 2, 2010 8:31 PM EST
politics, health, us, barack-obama, overhaul, house-democrat
Alan Fram, Associated Press
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<p>FILE - In this Dec. 21, 2009, file photo, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nev., right, looks on as Senate Finance Committee Chairman Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont. speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington. Democrats say they never saw it coming, but the breakdown of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul was abetted by their own mistakes. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File)</p>

FILE - In this Dec. 21, 2009, file photo, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nev., right, looks on as Senate Finance Committee Chairman Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont. speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington. Democrats say they never saw it coming, but the breakdown of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul was abetted by their own mistakes. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File)

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WASHINGTON — Leading lawmakers hoping to revive President Barack Obama's stalled health care overhaul have started writing a compromise bill, but it's unclear when the legislation will be ready for votes, a top House Democrat said Tuesday.

The measure would change the massive Senate-approved health bill to what bargainers from the White House, Senate and House agreed to last month, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said in a brief interview.

Rangel's remarks, if borne out, could be the first concrete sign that Democrats will try enacting major health legislation in the wake of the Republican upset in a Massachusetts special election that cost them their crucial 60th Senate seat. Stunned by that setback, the White House and top Democrats have been conceding that they no longer know if they have the votes to pass health legislation, or what such a bill would look like.

In January, White House and congressional negotiators agreed to ease a Senate-approved tax on high-cost health insurance plans opposed by unions and many House Democrats. They also planned to remove a Senate provision having the federal government fully pay for an expansion of Medicaid coverage solely for Nebraska, one of whose senators, Democrat Ben Nelson, was the crucial 60th vote for the Senate bill at the time.

Rangel said leaders have to decide whether the health package would begin moving before or after Congress tackles legislation aimed at creating jobs.

"The question is when are we going to do it," said Rangel, who chairs the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee. "We got to move on with jobs. It's not clear to me what the priority is going to be."

He said a fight between liberal and conservative Democrats over how to limit federal financing for abortion remains unresolved.

In a remark underscoring the political sensitivities Democrats have about their two top issues, Rangel said, "The major things we're talking about now are, one, don't let health care even look like it's not on the front burner. And don't forget that the priority of people in their districts is jobs."

The measure Rangel discussed would be a so-called reconciliation bill, a seldom-used procedure that only requires a simple majority of votes for Senate passage. He said he believed both chambers could muster the votes needed for passage, despite virtually unanimous GOP opposition.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., also voiced optimism about the approach in a conference call Tuesday with bloggers, while cautioning that final decisions to move forward remained to be made.

"We will not be deterred from this course of getting something done one way or another, and I'm hoping it will ... be mainly by passing the comprehensive bill. That's our plan," Pelosi said.

Pelosi also said the House plans to vote next week on a small element of the massive health bill it approved in November stripping insurance companies of their decades-old exemption from certain federal antitrust laws. Pelosi's office provided audio of the conference call.

Industry analysts see the effort as largely symbolic as courts have long allowed federal regulators to intervene when competition could be jeopardized.

Also Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., emerged from a meeting with Pelosi to say no decisions had been made about the health bill. Reid said a scenario in which the House produces a reconciliation package "seems like a strong possibility," but is not the only option.

In a separate interview, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, who was Obama's first pick to lead the health care effort, said he thinks Democrats are back on track to finishing a bill.

"The bottom line is that this is still doable" because many Democrats realize they may take a bigger hit politically if they fail to deliver a bill, Daschle said. Republicans will still use the legislation to attack them, but Democrats won't have any of the overhaul's benefits to defend themselves unless they approve it.

"I don't think any of this is easy to solve," he said, adding that the likeliest window for action would be between the Presidents' Day recess and the late March break for Easter and Passover.

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Associated Press writers Erica Werner and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar contributed to this report.

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sillyman

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/Fund-Reports/2009/Oct/2009-State-Scorecard.aspx

this gives a brief explanation of what and what doesn't work in this country and they also have research around the world on health care systems, hopfully they will read whats in the report.

i know they have the full report hopfully they'll be able to get it done through reconcilliation because i know tyhe republcans will try the good ol fillibuster

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:17 PM EST
mike lonkouski

Don't even bother writing it, it's DOA.

No attempt at trying to "snatch victory from the jaws of defeat" is going to work now.

They should have tried to be more accommodating the first time, but it's too late, and now "Health Care Reform" is a four letter word in DC.

  • 6 votes
#2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:22 PM EST
Ben-1268009

I'm afraid not mike... and you should be afraid too.

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:27 PM EST
mike lonkouski

I am quite rare in the fact that I don't possess fear, and faking it just isn't genuine.

I don't think there is any way to revive health care, it's too caustic now.

  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:29 PM EST
Paddymurphy

More accommodating? Are you serious? They accommodated the hell out of the conservative democrats to get passage in both houses. The plans for reform that passed both houses were centrist attempts to regulate health care insurance while still providing health insurance through the private sector. This government "takeover" was anything but a takeover. If this effort dies, it was killed by the lies of the Republicans and the cowardice of centrist democrats who cared more about re-election than reform.

    #2.3 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:30 PM EST
    mike lonkouski

    Paddymurphy

    They accommodated the hell out of the conservative democrats

    followed with...

    it was killed by the lies of the Republicans and the cowardice of centrist democrats

    Did it occur to you that when I said "accommodating" that I was talking about something that would garner wide, bi-partisan support?

    • 5 votes
    #2.4 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:38 PM EST
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    What the crap is Rangel still doing in Congress? The tax evader needs to be kicked out on the curb along with the other corrupt numbnuts who have put us in the worst financial shape in years! They can blame whomever they want, but they are the ones who enact the legislation and determine where the money goes.

    So, what they are going to try and tackle healthcare on top of the budget that puts us 1.5 trillion dollars into the hole this year? Add that to the 1.8 trillion dollars in deficit from this past year...Good LORD! Gee, and how much would that have added to the deficit....oh wait, I remember now, yes, our friendly government was going to collect taxes for 4 years before services were even to be provided. Ultimately, it will, if enacted go the way of medicare (verge of bankruptcy) and Soc. Sec (verge of bankruptcy), because we don't have ANY money left!! How hard is this to understand?

    What the hey...they are already essentially signing our country over to China and the others who have lent us money...Tell you what, let's just speed it up...Go ahead, Obama, I am ready for the red "pill", let's at least make it painless, so we don't have to watch you scumbags in Washington send our country to the bottomless pit!

    Unfreakinbelieveable!

    • 5 votes
    #2.5 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:47 PM EST
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    does "accomodate" = Louisiana Purchase 300 million and the Cornhusker Kickbacks, and the rest of the vote buying on the Dem side?

    • 3 votes
    #2.6 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:49 PM EST
    netprophet

    yes vol, doing nothing to address the soaring costs of healthcare is definitely the way to go- you're a genius

    • 1 vote
    #2.7 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:31 PM EST
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    net prophet,

    how do you propose to pay for it "genius"? China?

    • 4 votes
    #2.8 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:44 PM EST
    Justin-884500

    Maybe China can give us its health care plan when they buy us up =D

    • 2 votes
    #2.9 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:59 PM EST
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    i hear you, Justin.

    • 4 votes
    #2.10 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:02 PM EST
    Jack TX

    doing nothing to address the soaring costs of healthcare is definitely the way to go- you're a genius

    Ok fine. Let's cut cost. Where does that happen in either the proposed house or senate bills?

    • 1 vote
    #2.11 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:27 PM EST
    Brent-320354

    Liberals-who thinks mandatory insurance without insurance reform is going to lower costs? Anyone?

    Vol fan, you beat me to it. Rangel? The tax evader? btw, are you pulling for Manning on Sunday?

    • 4 votes
    #2.12 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:43 AM EST
    btco

    Where does that happen in either the proposed house or senate bills?

    Please read for yourself.

    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10868/12-19-Reid_Letter_Managers_Correction_Noted.pdf

    http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm

    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9924/Chapter8.12.1.shtml#1104746

    Yep, Health Care costs are making our deficits worse and will continue to do so unless we reform our system. The Senate bill, REDUCES THE FREAKING DEFICIT !!! What is so darn hard to understand about this?

    • 1 vote
    #2.13 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 10:01 AM EST
    Jack TX

    The Senate bill, REDUCES THE FREAKING DEFICIT !!! What is so darn hard to understand about this?

    I did not ask you about the deficit. I asked you to show me where costs are actually cut.

    • 3 votes
    #2.14 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 6:25 PM EST
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    Brett,

    Yeah, You better believe it...he actually has some property here in the area that is on the back side of mine (unless he sold it recently) so, I gotta pull for my former Vol and neighbor!

      #2.15 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:56 AM EST
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      Paddymurphy

      The people in this country want this reform. When they are asked about the different components of the reform plans, the majority of the people polled favor those components. The poll numbers found here show that the fear mongering of the right have not turned this Country against this reform effort. The Democrats had better understand this and what we elected them and the President to do. http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8042-F.pdf

      • 1 vote
      Reply#3 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:23 PM EST
      netprophet

      Republicans are just so damned good at fearmongering, though. Their fearmongering has been kicking the crap out of reality for a while now. Don't know what bothers me more, the fearmongering or the Democrat sellouts in the Senate...no, I do, it's the Democrat sellouts in the Senate-- Baucus, Nelson, Landreiu, Lincoln, and Lieberman are bought and paid for by the insurance industry. They're voting with their wallets Paddy. It has disgusted me and a LOT of people that I have spoken with. I'll be happy to see these whores move on when next they come up for (lack of) re-election.

        #3.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:36 PM EST
        Jack TX

        When they are asked about chocolate cake for breakfast, the majority of 4 year olds favor all the different components. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.

        • 3 votes
        #3.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:36 PM EST
        netprophet

        that is actually really good Jack--- I've got to give you that one! I don't buy your metaphor, but it's a damn good one to support your perspective--- nice lol

          #3.3 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:43 PM EST
          California Militia

          so if you took a cash bribe to vote either for or against the bill, and the vote doesnt come, do you have to give the money back?

          • 3 votes
          #3.4 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:29 PM EST
          Brent-320354

          I dunno, ask Mary.....

          • 2 votes
          #3.5 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:43 AM EST
          sean-4

          Jack: The four year olds here would be those who oppose health care because it is scary. Big bad government is going to kill granny. The point of the polling numbers cited in the post above (by the way, did you bother to follow the link and see the poll results?) is that when people are told what is actually in the bills passed in both houses, they actually support it. The problem is the disconnect between what the right claims the reforms will do and what they actually do. The majority opposes government run health care that will kill old people, give money to illegals, put you in prison if you let your health insurance lapse, force you out of your plan and into a government plan, require that you see only a government approved doctor and drive millions of American doctors to change careers because they can't make a living. All of these lies, told again and again to a populace reeling from the near financial meltdown brought on by the 8 years of incompentence in Washington, both Democratic and Republican, have pushed the poll numbers regarding reform down. When, however, people are asked about the different provisions in the reform proposals, the overwhelmingly approve. An educated population in the Republicans worst nightmare.

            #3.6 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 8:58 AM EST
            Brent-320354

            sean, we may be the "4 year olds", but anyone who approves of this radicalization of our Health Care Industry without knowing the details and the potential impacts is a "koolad drinker". That means you whistle the tune because your political leaders tell you to.

            There has already been verification of "Death Panels". Obama admitted it.

            The current version of Health Care reform doesn't have a Public Option.

            Do some reasearch.

            • 1 vote
            #3.7 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 6:35 PM EST
            Jack TX

            Sean

            The problem is the disconnect between what the right claims the reforms will do and what they actually do.

            This is only half the problem. It doesn't do what its authors claim it will either.

            This is traditional democratic methodology for screwing us through their ineptitude. We don't recognize it right away, because we've been so preoccupied for so long with traditional republican methodology for screwing us through invasion and deregulation that we've forgotten what the other kind looks like.

            This is where we cannot get hard core liberals to look. Does anything in any proposed legislation actually cut costs? No. Is an individual mandate going to work? No. Is it even legal? Probably not.

            Liberals seem to argue that if enough people want an idea to work, somehow their combined good karma will overcome the laws of physics and economics and turn a stupid idea into a brilliant one. They argue if republicans would just stop being such meanies and saying all those nasty things then everything would be fine. They've been doing this for nearly 50 years. Luckily for them, liberals have short memories and thus no recollection of the 500 failed ideas before this one.

            It is not the fault of conservatives or tea baggers that your democrats were given the task of solving "the healthcare problem" and this is the best they could come up with.

            • 1 vote
            #3.8 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 6:57 PM EST
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            gwen-450413

            If they try to go about this via reconciliation it will be the death knell for the democrats. People are already weary and distrusting after watching the back door deals go down. The people in this country DO want some reform. But the majority want Congress to altogether scrap what's on the table and they want to see a bi-partisan effort put in it.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#4 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:38 PM EST
            sillyman

            If they try to go about this via reconciliation it will be the death knell for the democrats.

            actually The Dems want health care reform so no it won't be the death kneel for the dems. there are a lot of independents who want reform too.

            Back room deals are done all the time to get legislation passed and some of it will get stripped out, it really doesn't matter as long as it serves the people. And I think when people start to wake up they'll see its good for the country and not bad

            • 1 vote
            #4.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:47 PM EST
            vol fan in chatt, tn

            Here's what I want them to do ....NOTHING. Stop spending money. Go home, whatever...we are better off with none of the idiots in Washington!

            • 2 votes
            #4.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:51 PM EST
            Justin-884500

            If its such a good thing for the country why is some senators like Bob Nelson opted his state out of the health care reform thus leaving the rest of the 49 states to pick up the tab? ...Start again from scratch.

            • 1 vote
            #4.3 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:13 PM EST
            netprophet

            it's Ben Nelson- and it's because he's owned by the insurance industry--- if you have any other questions let me know Justin

            and Vol fan....when you have a major recession teetering on depression and you do nothing---- you get a Great Depression --- we're all as pissed as you, but don't quit your day job bud

              #4.4 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:38 PM EST
              vol fan in chatt, tn

              net prophet, isn't it your bed time or something? Yeah, I am ticked and just venting some...of course, they have things to do, but they are too busy doing their grandstanding and preening in front of the cameras and doing things that are more destructive to our country than anything good, IMO.

              • 2 votes
              #4.5 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:57 PM EST
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              mstanley2265

              they're going to discuss and dissemble and hope like heck that no one notices until after elections jeez they must really really think voters are totally ignorant or hoping we don't vote

              • 2 votes
              Reply#5 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:38 PM EST
              California Militia

              im sure they have statistics to prove it. how else can you explain boxer and feinstein?

              • 1 vote
              #5.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:32 PM EST
              Brent-320354

              ....and Pelosi, Kucinich and Murtha.....

              • 2 votes
              #5.2 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:46 AM EST
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              David Noah

              "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

              Isoruku Yamamoto

              • 4 votes
              Reply#6 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:59 PM EST
              mike lonkouski

              very nice

              • 5 votes
              #6.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:00 PM EST
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              Smokie-788412

              dfhsdfhdsf-----------What in the hell are you doing on this site? Do you belong to the Obama Bunch or somehting?

              • 1 vote
              Reply#9 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:20 PM EST
              Smokie-788412

              It seems that the dummies in Congress still think that this insurance bill is good. They need to wake up. Let them use reconciliation to pass anything and the lost of Congressional seats will be more than the Democrats can stand. Health insurance needs to be restarted and done right this time. Besides we do not have the money to fund a brand new system. With the news we received about the budget we can not afford much of anything.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#10 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:26 PM EST
              netprophet

              yes, not until the Republicans are back in power to spend like drunken sailors, right?....yea, lets keep the healthcare system the way it is....what's another 1,000,000% rise in costs over the next few years anyway...we've got the money, right?...if not, we'll just print more....

                #10.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:41 PM EST
                vol fan in chatt, tn

                ...if not, we'll just print more....

                that's what we are doing now...the drunken sailor part....Obama's spending makes Bush's look like a fiscal conservative.

                • 2 votes
                #10.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:59 PM EST
                California Militia

                why not just monopolize healthcare like power and water. find a country who has a system in place that works well, and mimik that. heck, maybe even hire them to help us make the system since we are obviously clueless.

                  #10.3 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:42 PM EST
                  vol fan in chatt, tn

                  CA MA,

                  what is said in your statement is that is what America used to be to the rest of the world.

                  • 1 vote
                  #10.4 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 5:00 AM EST
                  Reply
                  netprophet

                  President Obama said that he doesn't quit. This article and a lot of the news on the healthcare debate lately sounds like they're quitting. Can we get a leader please? Maybe Nancy Pelosi can lend her balls to the guys over there in Washington. So far she's been the only one who has shown a pair.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#11 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:45 PM EST
                  mike lonkouski

                  Wow!

                  I hate Pelosi, but that was one ballsy statement!

                  • 1 vote
                  #11.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:49 PM EST
                  netprophet

                  Before this healthcare fight I wasn't a big Pelosi fan either and I'm pretty much a lefty. But the woman has shown a genuineness and some serious balls that I haven't seen from the Senate. I'm a Pelosi convert.

                    #11.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:31 PM EST
                    California Militia

                    if pelosi was impaled, you would literally have evil on a stick.

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.3 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:44 PM EST
                    netprophet

                    I prefer corndogs.

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.4 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:05 AM EST
                    Reply
                    Sturat

                    We need to take the money out of politics. I know, an insane idea in light of the last week's SCOTUS ruling. This Corporate Option that the Democrats are trying to get passed is corruption at it's finest. The public financing of election candidates through a $100 tax write off pledge to the candidate of your choice can be a tool that is like an axe needed to cut this diseased tree down at it's base.

                      Reply#12 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:49 PM EST
                      California Militia

                      if they were dependant upon me for a deductable donation to their funds...

                      **crickets**

                        #12.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:46 PM EST
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                        The Grim Creeper

                        "We will not be deterred from this course of getting something done one way or another, and I'm hoping it will ... be mainly by passing the comprehensive bill. That's our plan," Pelosi said.

                        Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life here!

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#13 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:30 PM EST
                        The Grim Creeper

                        I have two words for Democrats who are thinking of thwarting the majority: Scott Brown.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#14 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:31 PM EST
                        Smokie-788412

                        I thought that Charlie Rangel was under investigation or in jail. This is the same guy that writes tax laws but doesn't abide by them. Lock him up.

                        This insurance bill needs to started over from a clean plate or dumped. New ideas should be used without creating another monstrous plan. Small simple things will work just fine and we can afford them.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#15 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:37 PM EST
                        Brent-320354

                        He's got an alibi; he was playing Monopoly at the Geithner residence.....

                        • 1 vote
                        #15.1 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:47 AM EST
                        vol fan in chatt, tn

                        he's been under investigation, but there are more important things than Nancy keeping her promise to have the "most ethical" house ever? She didn't even make him give up his chairmanship....another lie.

                        • 1 vote
                        #15.2 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 5:03 AM EST
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                        Juliana Smith, An Alaskan

                        Priority 1. create jobs & fund any employment opportunity - must decrease an high unemployment rate
                        Priority 2. Fully complete Priority 1 before Priority 3
                        Priority 3. Health Care

                        "Independent"

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#16 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:44 AM EST
                        sillyman

                        Julianna I agree but number 1 and three can be done at the same time. any health care legislation wont take immediate effect and any jobs bills wont take effect or take hold for a while so why not do both and while there at it start regulating the financial institutions

                          #16.1 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 9:27 PM EST
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                          Plain Sick O taxes

                          " Rangel Says " Here is the glaring difference between honest men and women and politicians. First of all , I doubt most of us would ever be guilty of the severity of Rangels crimes of tax evasion , at least not in it's enormity . But if you or I were guilty we would be laying low. We would never have the audacity to parade before the country offering any kind of advice, or to comment on anything of import to the American people. Every morning upon awakening , we would walk briskly past the bathroom mirror and shave with a blindfold on . WE would not be able to face the reflection peering back at us. But not Rangel . He's not alone in his hypocracy , or guilt. Dodd has seemed to have escaped a trial and a prison term for Fannie/ Freddie.. Being responsible for one's actions, seems to be reserved for honest , taxpaying, citizens .

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#17 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 7:02 AM EST
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                          black spider

                          LEt's look at the facts folks.

                          Barack Hussein Obama borrows and prints enough funny money every day to provide vouchers for health insurance for one million uninsured.

                          That's right. Every 45 days Obama prints or borrows enough cash to provide insurance to all uninsured people. So what then is the issue here? Obviously, money has zip, zero, nada to do with it. If it was money, then the bonuses paid to Wall street would equal the amount needed to fund health care insurance for the uninsured. So Obama, do you mean Wall Street bankers are more important than 45 million people without health insurance? Any liberals care to explain that?

                          It's about govt control over every aspect of your life and putting as many people as possible on the govt breast feeding unit.

                          The health care plan calls for drastic cuts in medicare. That means old people will die earlier and live a worse life. That's easy to understand, yet Democrats refuse to acknowledge this very simple fact. The mere fact that they will force old people to live in pain and anguish really concerns the elderly, and this is why Oblahmah is going to lose this fight.

                          The health care plan does not address tort reform because the trial lawyers pay campaign contributions. Why are trial lawyers' interests going above people who are sick?

                          The health care plan removes the free market incentives to provide competition and since it is taxpayer-funded, the govt option will supercede the private option within a short time.

                          Since the govt is now in the business of free health care, private employers will stop providing employees with health care benefits, why bother? the govt is going to do it anyway.

                          Finally, I see nothing in the bill about education and prevention.

                          Americans are 25% obese? Children cant play because of liabilities of swing sets and of course, those millions of predaphiles let loose by liberal judges on our streets.

                          Look at this fact: in 1965 we spent about 16% on food, 8% on health care. Now we spend 16% on health care and 8% on food. The food is full of additives, crap and junk that are causing the health problems.

                          Why does the govt not see this connection?

                            Reply#21 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 12:52 PM EST
                            black spider

                            Let's take a poll of the 30 million people either out of work or under paid.

                            Would you like free health care or a job?

                            Ask Mr. Rangel, would you like to keep your job in DC? Ok, if so then do something about jobs.

                            It's the economy stupid~!!

                            Remember, when some politician says "free", it means less "freedom".

                              Reply#22 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 1:21 PM EST
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