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Obama has miles to go to keep all promises

Tue Feb 9, 2010 8:50 AM EST
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— ELKHART, Ind. - If there were a report card for the promises President Barack Obama made a year ago in this struggling city in northern Indiana, he would probably get a C. It’s a passing grade, but it’s not the strong performance that people might have hoped for in a town with one of the highest jobless rates in the country.

One year ago, on Feb. 9, 2009, Obama went to Concord High School in Elkhart to promise jobs for the city and for the nation. He argued the case for the $862 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) which Congress would pass just four days later.

Now, a year later, some statements he made in that speech have proven true and a few have proven to be dubious. For several others, it’s too soon to judge.

Like the president himself, the Recovery Act and the economic recovery itself haven’t yet fully met expectations.

So, with unemployment near 10 percent and elections eight months away, congressional Democrats are reacting. House Democrats passed a second stimulus, dubbed the “Jobs for Main Street Act.” At about $159 billion, it’s less than one-fifth the size of the stimulus enacted last February.

The Senate is set to begin action on its own job creation bill this week.

Rep. Joe Donnelly, D-Ind., whose district includes most of the city of Elkhart, voted for the first stimulus bill in 2009, but against the second bill last December.

"We still have a lot of ARRA funds to spend," Donnelly said. "We’re working non-stop to create jobs, but I want to make sure that we give the stimulus funds the opportunity to get out there, and be felt, and create jobs. I said, ‘Why don’t we just let the stimulus work its way through, rather than adding on even more debt?’”

Some argue the reason to not wait is the 14.8 million unemployed Americans as of January. The Labor Department reported on Friday that the unemployment rate dipped from 10 percent to 9.7 percent last month, but businesses shed 20,000 jobs.

Here are some of the statements Obama made in that speech, and how they're working so far.

Since the president spoke on that day, more than 3 million jobs have been lost, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Job losses are no longer running at a pace of nearly 700,000 per month, as they were when Obama spoke in February, however.

“The Recovery Act has already funded about 2 million jobs across the country, and remains on track to meet the President’s goal of 3.5 million jobs by the end of this year,” said Jim Gilio, White House spokesman for the Recovery Act.

Gilio said that direct stimulus spending (as opposed to tax cuts) for projects overall are expected to double in the first two quarters of 2010 and thus “there is even more employment bang for the buck to come.”

In Elkhart County, meanwhile, the unemployment rate has declined from 18 percent last February to 14.8 percent in December, the last month for which the BLS has local data.

But the labor force has shrunk in Elkhart, and around the nation, too. There were 4,365 fewer jobless in Elkhart County in December than there were when Obama spoke last February — a drop of 24 percent in the number of unemployed. But there were also 4,017 fewer people with jobs, a decline of 5 percent in the number employed.

The president has delivered on this promise.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, by the end of September, the Recovery Act will have paid out $58 billion in unemployment benefits, 17 percent of the total stimulus outlays.

It will take until February 2011 to determine if the president was correct in his claims.

His own Council of Economic Advisors, in its Jan. 13 report, estimated that 48,000 jobs had been created in Indiana due to the Recovery Act. The CEA said the stimulus had “raised employment relative to what it would otherwise have been” by 1.5 million to 2 million nationwide.

The Obama administration’s view is that the stimulus dollars are rippling through the economy: the public school teacher kept on the job due to Recovery Act money will spend her paychecks on groceries, car repairs, a new deck for her house — so the grocer, the car repair shop, and the carpenter all benefit from stimulus money. They will in turn spend their income on buying goods and services.

But Jackie Walorski, the Republican state representative whose district includes part of the city of Elkhart and southern Elkhart County, dismisses the stimulus effect.

“Nobody was going to say ‘don’t bring money here if it’s available’ but it was a short infusion of cash,” she said. “It’s not a long-term fix and it hasn’t really produced a lot of sustainable, long-term tangible, counted jobs.”

Walorski is trying to unseat Donnelly in this November's election.

Donnelly defended the stimulus by pointing to
a $689,000 grant to the Heart City Health Center as stimulus money that had an immediate impact, allowing the clinic to hire a doctor and to serve more patients, and to a $39 million grant to Navistar to manufacture electric trucks in Wakarusa, a town just south of Elkhart.

He was somewhat wide of the mark.

Whatever the merits of Recovery.gov may be, it does not make the case that Obama and his aides are trying to make: that the combination of direct and indirect spending — the multiplier effect — has caused 1.5 million to 2 million jobs to be "created or saved."

Here's why: Congress requires private-sector recipients of Recovery Act grants, contracts, and loans to submit their own estimates of the number of jobs created or retained by their funding.

But, as the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the independent auditing arm of Congress, explained, “neither individuals nor recipients receiving funds through entitlement programs, such as Medicaid, or through tax programs are required to report.”

Of the $173 billion in funds paid out by the end of last October, only 25 percent were covered by the Recovery Act’s reporting requirement.

That’s one reason why there’s a discrepancy between the 48,000 Indiana jobs that Obama’s economic advisors claim have been created or saved by the stimulus, and the figure for jobs created or saved in Indiana on the Obama administration’s Recovery.gov Web site: 15,278.

The Recovery Act has delivered on that pledge.

Although they aren’t as visible as the $10 million, ARRA-funded project to widen U.S. highway 33 in Elkhart, for example, the tax cuts in the Recovery Act last fiscal year and this fiscal year are 14 times larger than the transportation projects funded by stimulus money.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, 44 percent of the stimulus in FY 2009 and FY 2010 is in the form of tax cuts, ranging from a tax break for first-time home buyers to an $800 tax credit for married couples.

That appears to be in some doubt, at least for now, as a chunk of the stimulus went to state and local governments that used some of the funds to save employees' jobs.

According to GAO, by Dec. 31, 2009, more than $78 billion in Recovery Act funds had gone to states and localities. More than three quarters of that was matching funds to the states to help pay for Medicaid, the insurance program for the indigent, and to the State Fiscal Stabilization Fund which helps states keep public school employees on the payroll.

The GAO said the Recovery Act’s Medicaid and education funds freed up money that the states otherwise would have had to spend from their own coffers. This allowed state and local governments to retain some employees that they otherwise would have let go.

States “most commonly reported using or planning to use these freed-up funds in fiscal year 2010 to cover increased Medicaid caseloads, maintain Medicaid eligibility levels, and finance general state budget needs,” the GAO said in a report last December.

Elkhart city officials estimate that to date $41 million in direct and indirect stimulus funding has created or saved 385 jobs in Elkhart, with the biggest single amount being the $14.3 million going to the Elkhart public schools.

Elkhart applied for stimulus money under the U.S. Department of Transportation's TIGER (Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery) grants program. The department will announce the winners of the grants in the next few weeks.

He returned to Elkhart last August to tout a $39 million grant to Navistar, which produces commercial and military trucks and designs and manufactures diesel engines for pickup trucks, vans and SUVs, among other things.

Navistar spokesman Roy Wiley said he could not estimate how many jobs the project would create since it “will depend upon initial daily production rates, among other things."

"When the grant was announced, we stated that our electric truck production would initially create 700 jobs, but not necessarily all in Elkhart County. And some will be suppliers,” he said.

Another vehicle manufacturer, the Norwegian firm THINK, is planning to make electric cars in Elkhart, with Recovery Act help.

According to company spokesman Brendan Prebo, THINK received a tax credit of $16.9 million under the Advanced Energy Manufacturing program. The firm has also applied for a loan under the Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing (ATVM) loan program. THINK expects to create 415 manufacturing jobs in Elkhart by 2013. The plant begins operations in the first quarter of next year.

The Obama administration has pointed to the THINK tax break as a prime example of what the president meant when he said in Elkhart last year, “I think it's important for us to give tax breaks to companies that are investing right here in Elkhart.”

Prebo noted that THINK was looking at the United States as a manufacturing location prior to the announcement of the Recovery Act's incentives, but the ATVM program encouraged the company to build more vehicles in the U.S. sooner than it would have otherwise.

However, the Recovery Act “had very little impact on the selection of Elkhart specifically. I would attribute our decision to select Indiana almost wholly to the efforts of the state,” he said.

Public school construction is one place where Obama had hoped the Recovery Act would create jobs but where it hasn’t — at least not directly.

Obama referred three more times in the speech to what he saw as the need for stimulus money to pay for building and rehabilitating public schools.

The House version of the stimulus bill included $20 billion for school construction. But the Senate deleted those funds. This was done largely at the urging of Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, a Republican whose vote was needed to get the 60 to pass the bill.

Collins’ decisive role last February was an early indicator that even with large Democratic majorities in Congress, Obama’s agenda for Elkhart and the rest of America would hinge on a few Republican senators. From health insurance reform to a second stimulus bill, they remain as crucial today as they were last February.

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OK People

"Obama has miles to go to keep all promises"

I'd say that's a gross understatement.

  • 51 votes
#1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:48 AM EST
willowbrook

OK People, you are soo right!

I find the promise of "immediate" tax relief one of the biggest jokes around. Can't tell it on the pay check, and even if it were significant enough to be seen, it would not offset the increases in gas, clothes and groceries.

  • 31 votes
#1.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:14 AM EST
doubting thomas 1

Hmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!

Most of this article focused on one city or Area !!

Recovery is needed all over ! Tax cuts alone are not going to create jobs. We need to shutdown the MASSIVE BLEEDING of jobs going overseas !!!!!!!!!!

We need to shutdown NAFTA, GNATT treaties and our membership in the WTO, World Trade Organizaiton. FAIR TRADE now that's an OXYMORON---------

We need to make it a priority for business not to move jobs out of this Country !!! It has nothing to do with spending massive amounts of STIMULUS MONEY !!

  • 15 votes
#1.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:17 AM EST
tstucker

A school district herei in AZ received porkulous funds to add computers. They had to report on jobs created or saved. They reported the truth - none. The reoport was rejected in Washington and the district was told to report 15 jobs or lose their funding. They lied and reported 15. So that's what is actually being accomplished with your porkulous dollars. Nothing. The only jobs "saved" is pure bogus BS and the only jobs created have been for bureaucrats to fill out reports on how the porkulous money was spent. This is just pure dem smoke and mirrors. Vote them all out in Nov.

  • 31 votes
#1.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:24 AM EST
Ranger S

Please...don't insult the collective intelligence of the Americans. Neither Obama nor most politicians have any desire or plan to fulfill the promises they make to get elected.

They point finger when something on their watch goes sour and take all of the credit when something miraculous happens even when they had nothing to do with it.

Mr. President....you receive a failing grade on most every front so far. If you were still in high school...you would be the student who talks a good game, but when it comes to doing the work you consistently fall short.

And although my heart goes out to the folks from Elkhart...you represent everyone in our country from one end to the other along with our territories. You have forgotten that every step of the way in your foreign flubs and your kodak media moments here at home.

Sorry...you're flunking out. You will need to repeat middle school again....maybe you'll figure it out this time.

  • 20 votes
#1.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:33 AM EST
Last

Seems like all politicians make promises that are just lip service. Elkhart will suddenly become Obama's wonderful success come election time because he'll run back with his teleprompter and try to do everything to make it look good to people.

Actually I read another article on Elkhart recently and the score was a D with the majority of people more than a little frustrated with the lack of result..

The government is too busy pandering to the people in New Orleans.

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:34 AM EST
ONTIME

This un-credentialed, inexperienced, organizer (sh*t stirrer) has done far to much already and is in need of instant removal. This liberal mistake is the most egregious in our history and the need for reparation and repair has never been greater. You have a wake up call and you had better answer it.

He has no plans that will work and has demonstrated this with effective ignorance, he cannot speak without a teleprompter, cannot cite accurate fact and lies at the drop of a hat.....what's it going to take to get the means together for the law to remove this dangerous loser from a office he had no right to run for?

All you FOX tongue waggers, get the corpseman to take out the trash.

  • 17 votes
#1.6 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:36 AM EST
Beth-751295

How typical. Complain about the money that's getting handed out and about people asking you to lie but you're at the front of the line with your hand out to get the money and obviously didn't mind lying to get more.

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:38 AM EST
anonymous-839111

This is another ridiculuous short sighted article. Obama delivered on promises that he could or is working to deliver on them. Why is he accountable for the "results" of the complete rape of the prior administration? And don't give me the can't blame Republicans because they are a bottleneck. You all know that a Republican stated he will do whatever to make Obama fail - now is that helpful to you all?

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:42 AM EST
DeeTooExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Obama has delivered anything he could with the Republicans blocking at every corner.

When he came into office, the country was losing jobs at 700,000/month. We had lost 3.5 million before he was sworn in. The losses continued until he was able to implement some changes - so over 5 million jobs were lost before the stimulus took hold in March 2009. The policies he has promoted slowed this to small losses monthly now (look at any curve graph to see this is so). The stimulus did save jobs, and his attempts to fire up new industries are working, though not fast enough for those suffering.

You cannot create jobs where there are none. You have to create industries first.

We let all of ours go - steel, shipbuilding, cameras, bicycles, film, clothing, furniture, cars, machinery, phones, textiles, PC's, microchips, call centers, etc...so new ones are needed. These industries have been lost since 1980 under 29 years of predominantly Republican leadership....20 years of Republican presidents, 9 years Democrat president, most of those years Congress had a Republican majority. What did they do? Wrecked the economy completely by handing the keys over to the corporations who looked only at their stock values instead of American workers.

The other game they played was having the Federal Reserve under Greenspan keep lowering the interest rates so everyone could borrow their way into a ditch. Credit card debt, mortgage debt with no down payments, business debt, government debt (what happened to the surplus we had at the end of the Clinton presidency?). This economy was not really growing, we all just spent more than we had. Earnings did not really rise, but spending skyrocketed.....

Stop blaming Obama for what the Republicans and American corporations pushed forward, and what American consumers were to weak to resist - living selfishly beyond your means....

The Republicans do not want Obama to succeed (remember DeMint's comment?), and are willing to sacrifice your jobs and your children's future to get back in power. Obama's only fault is his naive efforts to try to work with the Republicans - They are the ultimate cynics - and would rather this place go down in flames than have Obama look good.....They see all of this only through that prism - not how you or I are suffering. The Republicans could care less about us.

If you must vote Republican, vote out the incumbent and find a new Republican../..but get rid of these guys in office right now. If you blocked everything at your workplace - do you think you would still have a job? Of course not! Why does anyone support this madness of stopping what we need to do to fix this economy. Party politics should not trump the needs of average Americans.

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:46 AM EST
MMos-575010

If the Obama plan for recovery was really working he wouldn't have to be running around campaigning to convince people it's working. Jobs available would have done that.

  • 16 votes
#1.10 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:51 AM EST
Jan-318400

Dee Too: Republicans have not been able to block anything. The Dems had the majority and they are the ones who blocked Obama's way. Dems own this one, not the Republicans. Also, the majority of people DO NOT AGREE with Obama, so the Republicans have it right. No to most of the bills presented IS representing the majority of Americans.

  • 19 votes
#1.11 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:59 AM EST
tired of carrying everyone

Why should any of this be surprising. He still continues to push healthcare and when he was campaigning I did not believe his rhetoric than. HE NEVER SAID WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO! He said it was your patriotic duty to pay taxes and look at all who he chose to be on his cabinet and the same with Hollywood how many of them do not pay their taxes. It is amazing just how people did not pay attention. Last year at all when he made statements that he said what he said to get elected and that as far as the financial crisis when Bush said it was not bad in 2006 he was lying but in 2009 with all the doom and gloom that he was spewing that it was not as bad as he made it sound(President Obama). In my lifetime I have never seen a president that has brought so much negativity. For being the party of the people(which is what at one time the Democrats used to stand for) they have truly show their colors the last 18 years. This congress and this adminstration has done more to hurt our seniors and the working class and has divided the nation instead of bringing it together and I thought Watergate and Nixon arrogance could not be beat.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:00 AM EST
Sandy-298493

Gee; I guess there are no Democrat cynics, or weak Dems who lived selfishly beyond their means. Most of the Dems who voted in Obama have been living selfishly on the dole for generations, and continue to have their hands out. Isn't that living beyond their means? Seems to me there were lots of Dems who were not in favor of the health care bill so be honest with yourself and stop blaming everything on the Republicans.

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:00 AM EST
tony-268769

In my state, the so-called "stimulus" funds didn't "create or save" school teacher jobs...it funded their pay raises during last spring's budget planning.

One out of 166 school districts had teachers accepting a "freeze". Another boasted of a wage freeze, but in reality, the withheld raises are to paid...along with the coming year's raises...in the 2010-2011 school year.

Several teachers' unions, when asked to consider a wage freeze, issued statements that they were "waiting to see" what the stimulus funds would bring in.

I'd guess there will be a lot of teachers pulling the lever for Mr. Obama in 2012. Thanks Mr. President...for taking my hard earned dollars to buy votes from school teachers.

  • 8 votes
#1.14 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:15 AM EST
The Worm Turned

anonymous-839111,

More of the same, "Blame the other guy" routine. Incredible! Are you that blinded by Pres. Obama's rhotoric, that you can't see the reality of what is happening?

Many of Pres. Obama's actions, while lofty sounding, are bad for our country.

  • 11 votes
#1.15 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:20 AM EST
tired of carrying everyone

BTW I am from Michigan(near Detroit) grew up there during the 60's and 70's saw the seeds I am entitled and owed planted and now they have come to bloom. That is why you usually see big cities vote Democratic because the same people are holding their hands out. That is why Detroit has died because of those ideologies between the I am owed to the unions that city has fallen into a hole.

  • 10 votes
#1.16 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:23 AM EST
allthumbs

Government doesn't create jobs except by hiring more government workers or by contracting to have work done. Business creates most jobs. The less they have to pay in taxes and regulatory fees, the more they have to create jobs. Except by improving their education (which isn't happening to any significant degree), government doesn't improve the lives of children. If you want to make children's lives better, make their parents lives better and less stressful and stop taxing them so much to support ineffectual programs aimed at making their lives better and to pay the interest on unmanageable debt. And while you're at it, switch to a flat or value added tax so that anyone who actually pays taxes doesn't have to hire an accountant/preparer to negotiate the byzantine tax laws. And make everybody pay at least a little bit so that they all have some skin in the game. And stop trying to modify behavior with tax policy.

  • 5 votes
#1.17 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:27 AM EST
bopdaddytooExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

to all ; it's damn hard to do anything in Washington with the party of NO doing all they can to stall and stop everything

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:29 AM EST
Joe-755363

A couple of things from the article that make me question the "stimulus" even more.

Donnelly defended the stimulus by pointing to a $689,000 grant to the Heart City Health Center as stimulus money that had an immediate impact, allowing the clinic to hire a doctor and to serve more patients

ONE job created with over half a million dollars! Oh, and it's a doctor, since it's so hard for doctors to find work it makes sense right? Government efficiency at it's best.

Another vehicle manufacturer, the Norwegian firm THINK, is planning to make electric cars in Elkhart, with Recovery Act help.

According to company spokesman Brendan Prebo, THINK received a tax credit of $16.9 million under the Advanced Energy Manufacturing program. The firm has also applied for a loan under the Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing (ATVM) loan program. THINK expects to create 415 manufacturing jobs in Elkhart by 2013. The plant begins operations in the first quarter of next year.

So we gave 16.9 million to a foreign company to is planning on making cars and expects to employ 415 people in 3 years? They'll get tax exemptions for being a foreign company and are also looking for a government loan on top of that? Not to mention the effect won't be felt for years?

My government is going to take my taxes and fund this windfall for a non-US company. Who is voting for this garbage? Does this seem ridiculous to anyone else?

  • 7 votes
#1.19 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:32 AM EST
Jan-318400

bopdaddytoo: Party of "no" have not been the majority for the last 3 years. Find someone else to blame, say like the Dems. They can't even get along with each other. Republicans can't be blamed for anything for the last 3 years. Get a clue!

  • 8 votes
#1.20 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:34 AM EST
MGinRochester

This seems to be another right-wing hit piece. It ignores the obvious fact that the president can't get anything done when the republicans walk in complete lockstep in their efforts to block every move he makes. The much-talked-about "supermajority" is meaningless when 3 or 4 blue dog democrats and every single republican agree to filibuster everything, even after numerous compromises have been made.

Case in point: One republican, Richard Shelby, has decided to put holds on many of Obama's nominees for no reason other than the fact that he is trying to bully the president into sending lots of special interest pork into his state. When the minority party does things like that, you can't blame the president when nothing gets done.

If the republicans could do it, I swear I think they would use the filibuster to block the president from using the bathroom.

  • 3 votes
#1.21 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:45 AM EST
K. in CA

He should get an F.

Make it a Z.

  • 12 votes
#1.22 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:47 AM EST
Joe-755363

Does it really matter all that much if congress is heavily democratic or republican? Or even the president? Stop for just a minute and consider that all our politicians are out of touch. Look at all the pork in every bill, look who has their ear, look at who is financing their campaigns (thank you Supreme Court for making that even worse).

Special interest groups and corporations are dictating policy to both parties. The common citizen has no voice anymore other than one vote every 2, 4 or 6 years, and we are given two or three choices and they are all bad.

I don't have a solution. We need term limits and campaign finance reform to start cleaning up this mess but the only way this can happen is if those in charge willingly give up some of their power and wealth. Without some paradigm shift in politics or a revolution of some sort, I just don't see any of this getting better.

  • 1 vote
#1.23 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:10 PM EST
Indy Gal 1957

I agree with K in CA. It's time he listens to the American people instead of being so proud of himself! He cannot stand criticism of any kind - such a baby.

  • 10 votes
#1.24 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:10 PM EST
LYNN98108

A "strong" F to be exact.

Frankly, all this spending and paying out money is the tax payers money. It's not the governments. The government is not a business and does nothing in the way of raising revenue. The only revenue entity is the post office. All dollars the government raises and spends is from the taxes of it's citizen's. Their salaries are paid by tax payer dollars. Their raises are through tax payer dollars. Anything they do, print or buy is with the tax payers dollars. It would be great if they would cut back and lay off people, close some departments just like the private sector. Run the government like a business instead of their own personal cash cow.

When you spend other peoples money no consideration is given to cost, savings or even looking for ways to save. Spending the tax payers money as freely as the government continues to do is not being fiduciary responsible.

  • 8 votes
#1.25 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:15 PM EST
willowbrook

Joe, yes it does matter if Congress is heavily Democratic or Republican. The super majority allowed the Democrats to hammer thru legislation that has hurt America. There was no way to stop them until the Mass. election. Not all legislators are out of touch. It is tragic that we cannot get a majority of intelligent, common sense, honest, moral legislators to get down to the work of getting America back on track. That would do us the most good.

  • 3 votes
#1.26 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:21 PM EST
retiredmilitary-1617607

Who votes these people into office? Are we that blind that we vote for charisma instead of honesty, bright shiny dental veneers instead of the real deal or how bout what's hot, new and the first of whatever? How many times do we have to regret our decisions before we wake up. I didn't vote for this current guy and many others before him because I did some research prior to, yet I'm stuck with the majority's poor judgement. Is this a cud chewing mentality, where the dumb (media) lead the dumber (citizens) of the herd, while those of us that have common sense watch the dust rise from their frenzied hooves? Our government is full of double talkers because of the way America's cattle vote. Our government disgusts me, the "Change" happening to our great country is appalling. (But all this trouble is not my fault, the previous administration did it.) Quit pointing fingers and take responsibility, you can't say you were unaware of what was happening in the position you so desperately wanted to get into. Honor or Ego? When are we going to take a stand as "WE THE PEOPLE" and say "NO MORE". Unfortunately, probably never. What a sad state of affairs. Say what you will, but taking GOD out of the everything.....Well, you may get what you want, but may not want what you get....oh that's already happened....AGAIN!

It's our fault, where have the stalwart Americans gone? What's wrong with America? it's US!

  • 4 votes
#1.27 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:28 PM EST
Joe-755363

willowbrook wrote:

It is tragic that we cannot get a majority of intelligent, common sense, honest, moral legislators to get down to the work of getting America back on track

I agree! Unfortunately "intelligent, common sense, honest and moral" people don't have a chance to get elected with the current way our system sells seats to the highest bidder (the one with the most in their campaign fund).

  • 4 votes
#1.28 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:39 PM EST
ModerationInAllThings

Not only is this narcissist beating a dead horse into glue, but for the ears he's got, he's not listening. "We still have to lead" followed by "implored Democratic leaders to swing big, be honest with an angry public and expose any obstructionism by Republicans."

In other words, or the same really, : change nothing, continue to tell us 'regular citizen folk' how we don't know what's best for us, and above all else, keep the divide alive and well AND further it... discount anything that comes from the side of Red, continue to call them the party of 'no',...

and do so because they oppose they object to HIS policies, not because they're actually doing nothing and saying no to everything that comes down the pike. While I'm not about to invited either party in existence over for tea, McCain, again, did come out earlier this fall and again after New Year's and said that Republicans wanted tort reforms and competition across state lines included in ANY bill concerning health care; since that never transpired, they DID say no... and bless them for it. That healthscare bill was an abomination and a complete waste of money and time, as well as a gift FOR insurance companies and big pharma.

The same holds true for all else he has attempted, and as he's said himself, will attempt over the next three years. No moderation whatsoever, very far left leaning, very socialistic in premise, and very biased in terms of voter base and support thus very divisive.

All that he ran his campaign on turned out to be nothing more than lies or delusional rantings of "if I were to be King...". Myself and many other people don't care about the color of his skin or his party, but both are brought into arguements when so many of us simply say, "we don't like what he's trying to do, where his priorities are, his pompous inability to listen, the borrow and tax and take care of all policies" he wants to implement;

Cap and trade is going to kill an already comatose manufacturing base here in the U.S., health care reform (which would consist of tort reforms, competition across state lines, saying no to big pharma and allowing international drug competition, and no denial of pre-existing conditions {although heavy smokers, the obese, heavy drinkers,.... should have higher premiums, just as those with auto insurance pay more for having higher points on their licenses}) that was and is still being touted is NOTHING CLOSE to being any kind of "reform" at all, all of the bailouts, the "oops... didn't think they'd do THAT with the money" bonuses without EVEN TRYING TO OR MENTIONING that the Glass-Steagall Act needs reimplemented to ACTUALLY stem this banking fiasco from ever happening again, ...

Now, the past 'state of the union' address, coming right out and pointing fingers at Republicans (that he said he'd work with, instead furthers the coining of the boring, redundant phrase of "the party of no"), stating that Americans are angry but also need parenting as 'we don't get it', and still pushing ahead because he knows what's best for us; he understands our anger, our concerns... but we're too simple to understand what's going on.

Completely out of touch, completely agenda driven moreso than past administrations, doing all he can with the 535 including allowing MORE bribery, pork, lobbyist influences, riders and addendums, catering to money interests and his personal agenda (not America's) come hell or high water, furthering divisiveness, no sound or common sense, economically feasable legislation....

  • 6 votes
#1.29 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:44 PM EST
ModerationInAllThings

In recent weeks, Obama has also alluded to messy dealmaking as a reason for public skepticism about the health care bill. He referred in his State of the Union speech to "lobbying and horse-trading" and told ABC News earlier, "It's an ugly process and it looks like there are a bunch of backroom deals."

LOOKS LIKE? That's ALL he did for 24/7 was procure this pet project of his, and that's the best attempt he came up with pertaining to denial of knowing and encouraging this "whatever it takes to do it NOW" political maneuvering he OBVIOUSLY backed? Then comes:

Even so, the bill was on the verge of completion before Republican Scott Brown's upset win in a Massachusetts special election last month threw the legislative effort into disarray. Brown was sworn in Thursday to replace the late Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, giving Republicans their 41st vote and depriving Democrats of their filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate.

Followed by:

...would not say whether Obama had indicated support for advancing the health care bill using a controversial procedure requiring a simple majority vote in the Senate — the leading option under consideration by congressional leaders.

"We're still talking about that. The president favors moving forward, with the procedure of how to do that mainly in the hands of the Senate and the House leadership," Hoyer said.

Then, another contradiction:

"It may be that Congress decides that ... we're not going to do it, even after all the facts are laid out, all the options are clear, that the American people can make a judgment as to whether this Congress has done the right thing for them or not," Obama said. "That's how democracy works."

While having said yesterday:

"We still have to lead" followed by "implored Democratic leaders to swing big, be honest with an angry public and expose any obstructionism by Republicans."

In other words, or the same really, : change nothing, continue to tell us 'regular citizen folk' how we don't know what's best for us, and above all else, keep the divide alive and well AND further it... discount anything that comes from the side of Red, continue to call them the party of 'no'.

  • 5 votes
#1.30 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:45 PM EST
willowbrook

To Joe, Post #1.28: True, true.

  • 2 votes
#1.31 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:45 PM EST
ModerationInAllThings

Many also agree that this "globalization" of economies, selling out our jobs in the name of going green is wrong. This IS all about greed, it's about corporations doing whatever the hell they want; polluting one side of the planet vs. less pollution on the other (due to our higher EPA standards). The arguement is seeded for green vs. manufacturing, and many had bought into that. To say that capitalism is bad or wrong ideally because of what it's been allowed to become, or bastardized to, is wrong. So they've succeeded there; they have us arguing about the wrong things for the wrong reasons when in reality most of us agree- we need jobs, we need to improve pollution standards while working, we need to produce. We need businesses because no businesses=no employees. Thus, we need incentives for businesses to succeed. So goes the circle; now some align that with corporate greed and abuses that have been allowed, talk trash about capitalism, and .... yep... right back into the arguements they want us to have to distract us from the truth and reality.

The same holds true for health care reform; reform is welcomed. Many are saying that can be accomplished simply by tort reforms, competition across state lines, pharmaceutical competition, and no further denials of pre existing conditions. Instead, arguements were fostered over the abomination presented, and of course, the public option was fodder for warfare amongst us. No real reforms addressed, none included, but plenty available for arguements, distractions, and partisanship. Why even bring up the public option when jobs were down, gone, and no real reforms (mentioned above, that ALL could agree on) were ever part of it? Why?

This pattern continues for other common sense approaches to issues, problems, and considered legislations. Doesn't anyone wonder why the obvious and common sensical is overlooked, and we ALWAYS get pieces, parts, parcels of what COULD have been so much easier? How can the continued created divisiveness be accidental or "the way" American politics work?

  • 3 votes
#1.32 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:47 PM EST
stockcar19

I laughed so hard I peed my pants and almost fell off my chair. I can't believe the BS in these articles and than to site 1 city or area unbelievable. Nothing that is being done or that has been done is going to turn things around at this point, now it is up to us to take the rains and take America back. As always just my opinion.

  • 1 vote
#1.33 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:06 PM EST
ModerationInAllThings

Waiting for some of the regular "owbama" cheerleaders to defend;

Start the 'Bush was first, where were all of you then, the obstructioist' bit.

Many of us didn't agree with SEVERAL of the past administrations, but continue to say our disagreeance with this one is personal, or party oriented, or.... take your pick. BUT...

The proof is there, we're pissed, and don't want the past BS any more than we want this. Owebama is just one of many other failures, so is his administration, as is the fed reserve, the career 535, and the UN and the WTO.

Keep selling Amercian citizens out, our economy out, keep supporting this progressive crap.... then wait for someone to ask what freedoms we're losing, and purvey how the present wrong doings are justified by past wrong doings.

FYI, for those that are interested, it's not just the talking head Owebama, nor the talking heads in the past... think for once. He's just another empty sell-out, but is not the only one. Think, think, THINK of the others involved.... then dismiss this liar for what he is, as many should've dismissed past liars.....

  • 5 votes
#1.34 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:36 PM EST
Wilfred of Ivanhoe

No President or Congress can significantly impact the U.S. economy by their actions. Why the media and millions of gullible Americans continue to think so is inexplicable. This article just continues that fallacy.

    #1.35 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:39 PM EST
    BBYANKO

    Obama gets a C ! ARE they cracked in the head? He gets a huge F in my opinion. Any politician shouldn't make promises they cannot keep, & lie just to get elected as Nancy Pelosi stated. That was the first truth that ever came out of the witches mouth.
    Obama is pitiful, he wants bipartisan from the Republicans now but what happened for the whole year? Obama and his liberal friends shut the republicans out & refuses to start over but yet he wants input from the other party. To me that is not biapartisan. WHO IS HE KIDDING? Biapartisan is two groups creating a bill together and if starting over is getting the Republicans to help or to act then bite your tongue OBAMA and deal with it. I agree with the Republicans on this healthcare issue.

    • 1 vote
    #1.36 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST
    tony-268769

    Retired....

    "Who votes" these people into office ??? In the case of the 2008 elections, it was a thundering wave of 18 to 22 year old children...most of whom have not yet paid a federal income tax, let alone read a newspaper article about how this nation operates. High school and college students pumped up by their teachers, while having their tuitions and three squares a day finanaced by good old mom and dad.

    They marched in and voted for the man who would save the planet and pulled the lever for anyone and everyone with a "D" after his or her name.

    • 1 vote
    #1.37 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST
    Ripley8

    willowbrook

    OK People, you are soo right!

    I find the promise of "immediate" tax relief one of the biggest jokes around. Can't tell it on the pay check, and even if it were significant enough to be seen, it would not offset the increases in gas, clothes and groceries.

    check your property taxes. those should have come down.

    • 2 votes
    #1.38 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 5:58 PM EST
    pjvitale

    "The great pretender" promised "CHANGE" throughout his campaign. All I've seen is his ability to read a teleprompter well and utilize his speech writers. He has no experience managing/running anything. I don't know why people thought he could run our country. I'm not surprised he's fallen short on most of his promises.

      #1.39 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:58 AM EST
      Therese Nelson

      Great Article.

      Yes, the promises of Jobs and the commitment to helping the economy should be at the top of our White House administration focus, only second to our Security.

      The Economy is failing and we have a Trillion Dollar Unsustainable Unread Jobless Stimulus to put US into Bankruptcy... ughh

      God Bless,

      T

      • 1 vote
      #1.40 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:27 AM EST
      Joe-755363

      No President or Congress can significantly impact the U.S. economy by their actions. Why the media and millions of gullible Americans continue to think so is inexplicable. This article just continues that fallacy.

      You can't seriously believe what you wrote. The manufacturing base in the US has dwindled to less than half of what it was 20 years ago and you don't think NAFTA and the WTO Pacific Rim free trade agreements significantly impacted that?

      Roosevelts New Deal that established social security, saved farming in the US, and established the federal reserve among other things didn't significantly impact the economy?

      To think that a billion dollar bailout and a trillion dollar healthcare plan won't significantly impact the economy is insane

      • 1 vote
      #1.41 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:00 PM EST
      Ernie-201266

      Now 'Ok People", I ask that you remember the POTUS Obama only promised two basic things: "HOPE and CHANGE." With that in mind we have seen the "CHANGE" from Bush to Obama and from a Free Enterprise system and the beginning of a recession under Bush to a full blown recession and nearly every indirect attempt possible to destroy the Free Enterprise system under Obama. The "HOPE" part come into play when most people "HOPED" that with Obama as POTUS our country would become economically stronger and a more safe and secure place to live with most people working at good jobs with good benefits.

      So you see "Ok People" Obama kept his promise to deliver us "CHANGE" he just did not say what the change would be. As for "HOPE" he still has a few devoted followers who are still "HOPING" that something good will come out his being elected POTUS. As for me I am just "HOPING" that he doesn't screw this country up so bad that the next 10 POTUSs can't fix it. I hold no delusions that POTUS Obama will actually make anything of any significance any better that it is right now and will almost certainly make things worse.

        #1.42 - Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:17 AM EST
        Dr Mike-

        He has light years to go to keep ANY promise.

        The guy is a joke. Along with the people that voted for him.

        • 1 vote
        #1.43 - Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:52 AM EST
        Reply
        Michael-769942

        Lied to get elected, still at it, shame on the people who fell for his bs.

        • 28 votes
        Reply#2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:52 AM EST
        Mixman34

        I voted for the American.

        • 10 votes
        #2.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:59 AM EST
        Ginico-1116437

        Not true, Michael - he is trying. Our country lost one whole year of productivity from the third quarter of 2007 to the 1st. quarter of 2009. Thats a lot of wealth to make up. The last 4 years of Bush, the middle class was living off of their home equities to keep up because their wages had either lowered or were stagnate while costs continued to climb. Obama is trying in spite of the obstructions put in place by Republicans. One key measure is to get health care reform in place or it alone will bankrupt our country. Anthem Blue Cross just announced a 39% increase on top of a huge increase last year, while registering record profits for 2009. Your own Senators have thrown obstacles in place to accomplish reform . . . Mike Pence puts forth the same old tired policies that don't work . . . across the board tax decreases, which mean further tax cuts for the rich. Since the Regean years those tax cuts for the rich have reduced government revenue, while costs have continued to climb, it has moved the wealth of the country to the top 10% of the people, in essence 10% of the people own our country and have great power over what is done including wages . . . they now own 95% of the wealth, leaving 5% to be distributed to the rest of us. Senator Byah also has obstructed, his wife is gainfully employed by a big health insurance firm, so he's looking out for him instead of you!

        • 2 votes
        #2.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:00 AM EST
        db7848

        maxman34 , Your birther ignorance is showing.

        • 2 votes
        #2.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:20 AM EST
        GMACH48

        I'm so tired of hearing Bush....forget Bush...he is over. The Dems are on the wrong track to make this country recover and all they do is Stimulate their constituency's pocketbooks with payoffs that's why the Stimulus Bill doesn't work. They got what they wanted and now they blame Bush and the Reps for the results. GIVE ME A BREAK. They are on a track of Big Government, Big Spending of unfunded projects with borrowed money our children will never be able to pay back and, higher taxes for all not just the wealthy. If Cap and Trade is not a huge tax increase I don't know what is.

        • 9 votes
        #2.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:23 AM EST
        db7848

        George

        Yada! yada! yada! yada!!!!!!!!!! same old song and dance. When you can finally admit that Bush was a disaster you to will see how big a part he played in todays state of affairs. Lets start with a unfunded and undeclared war in Iraq.

        get real!!!

        • 2 votes
        #2.5 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:36 AM EST
        Joe-755363

        db7848 - Socialism is unamerican regardless of where you were born.

        • 5 votes
        #2.6 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:47 AM EST
        Therese in NV

        I find President Obama "all smoke and no substance". Oh yes, he keeps a minor promise here and there for show; however, the big stuff, such as unemployment, rising home foreclosures, helping the elderly, education, bringing the troops home in six months, etc. These campaign promises are long gone. During the Obama Campaign, he made 103 campaign promises. In a nutshell, he promises people across the nation what they wanted to hear to win. Some may say well unemployment has dropped. I say, "Show Me!" A month ago the national average was 11.1 %; shortly after President Obama's State of the Union, supposedly the National Average dropped to a little over 9%. Nonsense! For that kind of drop across the country, lower unemployment would be felt on a local level. Has anyone seen any mass hiring by companies where you are? No? I didn't think so.. What we had was a lukewarm response to President Obama's State of the Union excuses and "blame passing." He needed something to "rally public opinion." Everyone knows, you can make a specific poll say anything based on location and local economy.

        Alternately, we have a President spending money as if there is no tomorrow.... We have a President blaming everyone in his path for his own shortcomings... New Flash People! Barack Obama is the President of the United States, it doesn't get any higher, as a result, "The Buck Stops with Him!" He is responsible for his administration failures and shortcomings.. Not the Republicans, Not the Independents, Not Christopher Columbus or the Pope (or anyone else President Obama can conjure up to defer some of the blame).

        In a Nutshell, we have a President attempting to pass a Health Care Bill that (a) creates more government control over the population (b) directly hurts Senior Citizen's, as 500 Billion will be allocated away from Medicare to help defer the costs (c) businesses, of all sizes, will be mandated to carry this insurance. READ THE FINE PRINT, PEOPLE! It's not just large companies. (Exactly how is that going to lower unemployment, when businesses start laying off employees rather than pay the costs).

        Furthermore, we have an Presidential Adminstration that is spending unchecked. Currently, our national Debt is over 11+ Trillion Dollars. 11+ Trillion Dollars, People! When President Obama was inaugurated, the national debt was 472 Billion. That is a drop in the bucket, compared to the out of control spending by this administration and Congress. Some may say, well he initiated stymulus checks after his election. Yes, he did. However, the loan to cover that money came from China. Now, we are in debt to China.

        In conclusion, some may say "You have to spend money to effect change!" Nonsense! Positive Change must come with "Checks and Balances"; Positive Change must be well formulated and laid out over a period of time; Positive Change must not be creating a National Debt our great grand children will be paying off; Positive Change does not mean more government control over the populace and less personal freedoms. Some may say, "It takes time to create change"; I say "It only takes a moment to destroy a Democracy." In 2012, voters will be faced with the choice continuing with a fiscally irresponsible and controlling Administration; or, choosing a candidate with the proper qualifications to correct our current mistakes and missteps. The future of this nation is hanging on that vote. Vote wisely............

        • 8 votes
        #2.7 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:54 AM EST
        LYNN98108

        What a refreshing and honest post.

        No one needs a degree in economics to understand that it is impossible to continue to spend money to create a positive outcome. The more you spend and have not addressed the root cause is moot. People who borrow against their credit cards to pay another credit card is fruitless. This is how the government behaves and the deficit continues to grow. Borrowing money from other countries to pay for all this out of control spending is not the answer. When a person borrows against their stock, the debt collector calls in the loan when (1) at will, (2) when the borrower defaults (3) or the stock tanks, to name a few reasons.

        Oboma is all talk-n-show. No substance, an empty vessel with no clear vision except his own and that is clearly visible by his lack of leadership and experience.

        What ever Bush did has nothing to do with what Oboma is doing, chooses to do and continues to do. These politicians are out of control at so many levels. It's truly unbelievable. I never thought I would ever live to witness such a travesty portrayed by our politicians who continue to throw the American people under the bus and say that it's for our own good because they know what the American people want! The majority of us do not like what is happening to our country and the minority as usual continue to hold Oboma up as a standard. Politicians need to STOP- LOOK AND LISTEN. They have their own personal agenda and it does not consider the American citizen regardless of what they say or how they try to frame their excuses.

        • 3 votes
        #2.8 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:14 PM EST
        Michael-769942

        Even my kids who thought it was hip to vote the CHANGE bs, have realised they made a terrible mistake.

        • 5 votes
        #2.9 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:23 PM EST
        Ripley8

        Furthermore, we have an Presidential Adminstration that is spending unchecked. Currently, our national Debt is over 11+ Trillion Dollars. 11+ Trillion Dollars, People! When President Obama was inaugurated, the national debt was 472 Billion. That is a drop in the bucket, compared to the out of control spending by this administration and Congress. Some may say, well he initiated stymulus checks after his election. Yes, he did. However, the loan to cover that money came from China. Now, we are in debt to China.

        .. fyi .. $1.2 trillion deficit from Bush

        Cost of the Bush era: $11.5 trillion

        http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/StockInvestingTrading/cost-of-the-bush-era-11-point-5-trillion.aspx#pageTopAchor

        please get some facts.. you look as foolish as Palin writing on her hand.

        • 1 vote
        #2.10 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:03 PM EST
        Joe-755363

        Ripley, I read that article you linked. Complete waste of time without much in the way of supporting facts. The author of the article added in potential future costs, Katrina costs, cost of wear and tear on military vehicles, etc. and just gave a total. The US government may have spent a grand total of 11.5 trillion in 8 years and that includes TARP funds (and the author of that article didn't take into account any money that was or will be paid back).

        Did you even read the article or just the headline?

        • 2 votes
        #2.11 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:12 PM EST
        Reply
        joe-1560081

        Can't believe a word the guys says. He is pathetic and those that think he is going to help are all fools.

          Reply#3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:54 AM EST
          Tom Grinley-1617381

          A 'C'? You must be grading on a curve!

          • 16 votes
          Reply#4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:55 AM EST
          Over65

          A "C" give me a break. I guess I must consider the source.

          • 12 votes
          #4.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:10 AM EST
          Ryan-

          E

          • 2 votes
          #4.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:26 AM EST
          Speedy, Palm Harbor, Florida

          Seriously... how can anyone receive a grade when they didn't "show up" for class? The only letters that possibly come to mind regarding his performance could be:

          M for MARXIST... or R for Radical... or S for SLUG

          Please don't call this SLUG a "socialist" because after reading his background, and listening to him explain how "the founding fathers didn't go FAR ENOUGH when they wrote our U.S. Constitution because? Because they FAILED to address 'redistribution of wealth' which is right out of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto!

          If it walks like a MARXIST; talks like a MARXIST and acts like a MARXIST...

          It must be a MARXIST and only masquerading as a socialist!

          The MARXIST recently said, "I'm not an Ideologue!" Really?

          Sounds a lot like Nixon saying, "I'm not a crook?"

          Well, well, well... it seems the MARXIST believes his own BS.

          • 2 votes
          #4.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:08 PM EST
          Reply
          oldngrey

          A 'C' ? Are you kidding me? What's lower than an 'F'?

            Reply#5 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:56 AM EST
            Gary F from CA

            It likely is more than miles. Unfortunately, this country is spiraling into a third world country. The empire has fallen I am sad to say. Until everyone realizes what has happened we can not reverse the process. There is plenty of blame to go around on all sides. Wealth has been depleting from this country for decades. Look at Dubai. Thats our oil dollars that built that tragedy of a city. Wars deplete wealth too.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#6 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:56 AM EST
            henry jacobs MD JD

            Good comment! Yes, Obama did drop the ball badly, BUT his State of the Union Speech seemed to indicate that he knows it and will now focus on what ails this country. Yet, it is obvious that we now have a class of incredibly wealthy robber barons and a lot of poor and a lot of people made poor in the process of creating the uber wealthy. It was announced yesterday that, Bregurt Watch Co. sold out of its $800,000 watches last quarter! This does start to look like a third world situation. All we need now is a military dictator to complete the picture! When we said "Give us your tired and your poor" we certainly did not expect that meant ALL OF THEM!!!!!I agree that we common folk are in a world of hurt and disenfranchisement that will not abate soon-if at all!

            • 3 votes
            #6.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:16 AM EST
            OK People

            Yes, Obama did drop the ball badly, BUT his State of the Union Speech seemed to indicate that he knows it and will now focus on what ails this country.

            Dr. Henry: Take a few more Oxy's and call me in the morning...

            • 8 votes
            #6.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:42 AM EST
            Lisette53-

            Ok People, tired and pointless comment. if you want to say something...SAY SOMETHING

              #6.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:49 AM EST
              OK People

              SOMETHING, for instance, like your valued remark?

              • 3 votes
              #6.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:29 PM EST
              henry jacobs MD JD

              dear OK people... I don't do drugs-just reality. This country is out of control. Do you think that Obama, McCain, Palin or any of the contenders have the solution and can get it through the Congress? Instead of your unproductive invectives and vitriolic smart *ss comments, try listing 5 things that would fix this mess and that the Congress will enact. Even though I confess that an MD JD and MBA don't qualify me as a luminary, what do YOU bring to the discussion except a 'smart' mouth? this country's majority seems more worried about Brangelina, American Idol, The Bachelor and Oprah than about whether America will survive in some semblance of what it once was.

              • 1 vote
              #6.5 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:23 PM EST
              OK People

              O.K. Doc, in this order:

              1) Tort Reform

              2) Abolish H-1 Visas

              3) Deport all illegal aliens within 10 days

              4) Provide a 100% tax credit for all health care and malpractice insurance premiums

              5) Abolish reality TV

              Thanks.

              • 6 votes
              #6.6 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:11 PM EST
              henry jacobs MD JD

              dear OK people,

              good starting positions!

              • 2 votes
              #6.7 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 5:55 PM EST
              Ralphie2010Deleted
              henry jacobs MD JD

              Our society has morphed into a misdirected mess that is more concerned about accomodating other cultures than the one that put this nation on the map!!!! I am afraid that it is too late for middle America to survive. Greed, selling out American workers, trashing morality, belittling concepts of decency, relying on technology in place of human contact and caring, taxing and spending without limits, government trying to control more and more of the fabric of our lives without any proven benefit of doing so, a mad orgy of revising our lives to suit the ultra rich and the non-working elements of society. Once you make America over to the point that it is unrecognizable, it is no longer America. For better or worse, Massachusetts at least had the guts to say HOLD ON NOW, WE DO NOT WANT THE AMERICA WE ONCE KNEW TO MORPH INTO SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT OR LIKE JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD BENEFIT CERTAIN PEOPLE'S AGENDAS. We need more states to step up to the plate and put the brakes on this re-creation of the country we love.

              • 1 vote
              #6.9 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:00 PM EST
              Reply
              soupy55

              Obama needs a new job before he wrecks the country. Europeon Union needs a scocialist.

              • 16 votes
              Reply#7 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:57 AM EST
              anonymous-839111

              Seems like the European citizens have better safety nets, therefore are doing better. Oh, shhhh, that is socialist.

              • 2 votes
              #7.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:43 AM EST
              Reply
              TGFD

              TGFD here.

              Several weeks ago on one of these boards, I saw a list of 80 or 90 campaign promises that obama has broken, more than one time for many.

              A grade of "C"??? How about an "F-".

              • 18 votes
              Reply#8 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:57 AM EST
              Indy Gal 1957

              Amen!

              • 1 vote
              #8.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:15 PM EST
              Reply
              Bernie-294418

              If he wanted to, as he put it, "fundamentally change the U.S.", I DON'T WANT HIM TO KEEP HIS PROMISES!!!

              • 24 votes
              Reply#9 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:57 AM EST
              GMACH48

              With you on that...

              • 2 votes
              #9.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:28 AM EST
              Reply
              H.Dale

              Bill Clinton created 23,000,000 jobs while he was in office. Why doesn't Obama just ask him what he did and do it again?

                Reply#10 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:00 AM EST
                HereInNC

                Sounds like to me he is getting things done. He's only one man in the midst of a huge recession. Just sounds like to me the Republicans are back to playing their fear and hate games and it's working again. I just wish people could think for themselves and realize when someone is trying to help them. Finally a president who is trying to help the middle class and they seem to hate him for that. Of course the media is against him, he is wanting them to pay their fair share of taxes. They are not the middle class, we are. We don't have a voice in the media. Please get over your fears of change. I know most of your ideas come from fear of the unknown i.e. religion but it is time for a change. We need a change in healthcare...they are not in a recession they are posting higher earnings as ever. 17 cent out of every dollar speng is on healthcare. Please people try not to let the false statements and fear get in our way.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#11 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:01 AM EST
                Howdidwegethere

                HereInNC: What president are you talking about? False statements are coming from this White House circus. People are not against this president they are against his SOCIALIST policy. This guy wants to STEAL MONEY from the RICH and give it to the poor. Bad idea, the poor will waste it. And the rich will continue to move there money off shore, along with there business.

                • 1 vote
                #11.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:56 AM EST
                Indy Gal 1957

                If he's trying to help the middle class, why did income go down this year? Why are the increases in groceries skyrocketing? Prices are going up on everything, everywhere, but this administration said no cost of living increases, because the cost of living didn't go up?' What's that about?

                • 1 vote
                #11.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:18 PM EST
                Jannie-862333

                HereInNC: You state: "The media is against him"????? What country do you live in? Outside of Fox News, ALL other news stations praise and adore the annointed one! Do you even watch the news? And, the president is NOT trying to help out "middle America" - his objective is a government run like the Soviet Union was at one time: The only rich people will be those in power in government and the rest of us will be living in gulags or collective farms!

                • 3 votes
                #11.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:08 PM EST
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                Gary F from CA

                Listen to you whiner snobs. You keep crying about what you already ruined. Its not about Obamas promises. Its about ignorance that is everywhere in this country.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#12 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:01 AM EST
                SARjames

                Hmmm, let me guess.................San Fran right?

                • 4 votes
                #12.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:03 AM EST
                Gary F from CA

                Sorry, Berkeley!

                  #12.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:04 AM EST
                  Lynn W

                  Same Difference...!

                  • 4 votes
                  #12.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:09 AM EST
                  JH-479998

                  Gary, are you talking about the "failed policies of the last three years"?

                  • 1 vote
                  #12.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:11 AM EST
                  Gary F from CA

                  Actually the last 30 years.

                  • 1 vote
                  #12.5 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:14 AM EST
                  The Truth-804091

                  Guess that's a thumbs down on Reagan and a pass on Carter. Ignorance is bliss.

                  • 3 votes
                  #12.6 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:16 AM EST
                  OK People

                  "Its about ignorance that is everywhere in this country."

                  Couldn't agree more, particularly with respect to Economics:

                  The 1st law of Economics: Resources are Scarce.

                  The 2nd Law of Economics: Everyone wants LOTS of Resources.

                  The resulting social dilemma: Who Gets How Much of What, and Who Pays For It?

                  Democrat Mindset: Just GIVE US stuff -- we don't really care about who pays for it.

                  The Rolling Stones' answer to Democrat whiners: "You Can't Always Get What You Want".

                  • 7 votes
                  #12.7 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:27 AM EST
                  William-288830

                  Especially by the indoctrinated lefties. None of you have any thoughts of your own. The only thing you know how to do is put down others who disagree with you.

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.8 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:32 AM EST
                  anonymous-839111

                  William - your statement is not accurate; I see many Republicans on this site putting down President Obama. Oh, I forgot, when you all do it it is "ok".

                  • 4 votes
                  #12.9 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:45 AM EST
                  Indy Gal 1957

                  Why shouldn't republicans, and democrats put him down because of his policies. It's time he owns his own mistakes. He will probably still be blaming Bush at the end of his 4th year!

                  • 3 votes
                  #12.10 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:20 PM EST
                  Reply
                  epaman1

                  If Obama can provide extra unemployment $ to Elkhart, how about doing the same for the rest of the country?

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#13 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:02 AM EST
                  Howdidwegethere

                  BECAUSE WE ARE BROKE..................DAMN PEOPLE can't you get this through your heads. You can not be all rednecks, some of you must be able to add and substract, and read at a 3rd grade level.............

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:59 AM EST
                  Jannie-862333

                  I'm from the Detroit area - where's mine?!?!?!? (I'm being facetious here!)

                    #13.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:11 PM EST
                    Ralphie2010Deleted
                    Reply
                    SARjames

                    Bernie hit the nail on the head. And as far as a grade of C.....NOT. Typical leftwing media trying to prop up their guy. The fact is, its BECAUSE of BO we are still in sorry-shape, and the sooner he stops spending what we DONT have.....and gets the hell out of the way of the American people....the better off we'll be.

                    • 13 votes
                    Reply#14 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:02 AM EST
                    Gary F from CA

                    Bernie has a nail for a head.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#15 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:04 AM EST
                    Bernie-294418

                    Gary,

                    Good one........

                    Love, Bernie.....you putz!

                    • 5 votes
                    #15.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:10 AM EST
                    Reply
                    Lynn-350504

                    What did the public expect from someone that had NO experience in anything. All Obama had was "talk" and talk he did. He lied lied lied just to get elected and the public fell for his lies. He made big promises but he always knew he couldn't fullfill them. He was very good at blaming the Bush administration and still is blaming Bush, even though Bush had a Democratic congress. THIS president has spent more money in the short time he's been in office than any other president in history of America. Typical Democrat if you ask me, but you don't have to ask anyone, all you have to do is wait and watch Obama and this horrible congress take our country down in the mire and mud and keep on blaming the Republicans for everything. Obama is awful, will always be awful and needs to be kicked out along with Pelosi and Reid and the entire mess of congress. Congress enjoys the unreasonable perks of being in congress while the average Joe can't even pay his mortgage or health insurance premiums. Obama is a socialist just like Hitler was. Down with Obama!!!!!

                    • 11 votes
                    Reply#16 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:05 AM EST
                    The Truth-804091

                    America became numb to liberals, thinking Clinton was a pretty good liberal, when in fact he was a centrist. I think after Obama, liberals along with progressives will become dirty words, and we won't have a liberal in office for another 20 years, which will be just enough time to fix this mess so another liberal can destroy the store again!

                    • 6 votes
                    #16.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:20 AM EST
                    anonymous-839111

                    Lynn:

                    Your comment on the presidency spending more than any other is simply inaccurate - check the numbers of the first year in office versus the deficit in place prior to President Obama initiating any of his stimulus packages.

                    I guess you would rather have someone who "really" thinks because her state borders with Russia gives her foreign relationship experience?

                      #16.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:48 AM EST
                      Voter-in-LA

                      Can you please cite your sources anonymous. Sure seems to me that in 2008 actual income/outlay was $2.524 trillion/$2.978 trillion. Then 2009 actual was $2.105 trillion/$3.522 trillion. I am far from a math genius but to me those sure look like 2009 was worse.

                      Source the treasury itself: http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg322.htm

                      BTW maybe you want to go read Lynn's post again, it says SPENDING.

                      • 3 votes
                      #16.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:16 AM EST
                      Lin.1946

                      Let me just say, President Obama has had ONLY 1 year to fix all the scew up's from the last eight years! Or should I say the King Bush years!

                      And before you even mention, well, the democracts had 4 years to make a difference, may I remind you about Bush and his mighty pen, (Veto, Veto, Veto!)

                      • 1 vote
                      #16.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:30 AM EST
                      Robert-654077

                      Lynn you are 100% correct......

                      A F- Is his grade and he may be exspelled. All Oramit can do is make speachs, make promises he will not and can not keep, tell lies and then tell more lies to cover up his last set of lies, he is a dicgrace. the best thing Oramit can do for this country is to Resign, Stepdown, Quit and take plastic Polusi with him.

                      • 3 votes
                      #16.5 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:35 AM EST
                      Lisette53-

                      Lynn get a grip, no president ever has been a socialist. Obama has not spent more money - a lot of what was spent and it's interest occured before his watch. We aren't going to "Kick" Pelosi, Reid etc out until it is done democratically so why waste our time with such unreal hate mongering type non sensical comments. It show ignorance and it is not the American way. We simply cannot waste time blaming someone who has been in office for a little over a year for this nation's problems. Since he is failing to get anything done or passed we can be frustrated with that...Bush had the same problem. This is America, this is how it works. Name calling is not going to help any of us and is certainly not what made this country great.. Unfortunately you and people like you who cannot think for themselves or remove yourself from the nature of our country's situation are a great part of the problem.

                        #16.6 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:56 AM EST
                        OK People

                        ...such unreal hate mongering type non sensical comments...

                        Well now, ain't that the pot callin' the kettle black!

                        • 2 votes
                        #16.7 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:37 PM EST
                        Voter-in-LA

                        And before you even mention, well, the democracts had 4 years to make a difference, may I remind you about Bush and his mighty pen, (Veto, Veto, Veto!)

                        And yet more ill informed statements. Were you aware that Bush' first veto was in fact related to stem cell research? Do you realize he only used his veto 12 times during his occupancy of the WH? Did you also realize that the revered Bill Clinton used HIS veto 37 times, FDR 635, Truman, 250.... Fact is Bush used it the LEAST of any President in recent history. (sources: http://uspolitics.about.com/od/presidenc1/a/modern_vetoes.htm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes)

                        So..... before you make a statement maybe you will want to brush up on that little thing called FACTS next time.

                        And btw it took BHO only until December 2009 to use his first.

                        • 3 votes
                        #16.8 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:58 PM EST
                        Reply
                        Bob Burton-989888

                        The solution to the jobs problem is to CUT OFF the outsourcing of jobs to China , India, Mexico and all of the other places that the global corporations and politicians have convinced the American workers and voters that we are better off for so we can buy cheap products at Walmart. Doesn't do any good to have cheap products if you don't have a job.Why is the new Ford "green car" being built in Mexico? Why are all of the electronics sold at Best Buy built in China? Why is Microsoft outsourcing software jobs to India? I'LL TELL YOU THE REASONS, FOR BIG PROFIT MARGINS

                        • 7 votes
                        Reply#17 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:06 AM EST
                        Gary F from CA

                        Now you are pointing to one of our structural problems in this country. This is where the conversation needs to go.

                        • 1 vote
                        #17.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST
                        The Truth-804091

                        Lower the corporate tax rate. Lure the jobs back to the states. I know that is a radical plan to Obama because he likes to tax and spend his way to total dominance . . . I mean prosperity . . . his cronies prosperty that is.

                        • 2 votes
                        #17.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:22 AM EST
                        getalifevirginia-892326

                        Jobs are being outsourced because of the union's policies of extorting every penny of profit from the businesses.

                        • 5 votes
                        #17.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:35 AM EST
                        anonymous-839111

                        Bob, I couldn't agree with you more.

                          #17.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:49 AM EST
                          Beth-751295

                          Bob and Gary. I like you guys!

                            #17.5 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:57 AM EST
                            Budster-1228102

                            Bob, isn't that the reason you have a business....to make a profit? If not for all of the stupid union contracts and bureaucratic red tape you have to go through to make anything in this country....we could keep the jobs here. Do we really think that all of the so-called "Green Jobs" that is being pushed so hard by Washington exist? How can we produce any of it here when countries like China, Mexico, India, etc... can produce it at fraction of the cost with what we would call slave labor here? All Washington wants is to tax the rich. Only one problem with that theory.....the guy or gal that owns the business you currently work at is one of the "rich" they want to tax. Now, what do you think is more likely to happen 1) they accept the tax hit and it won't affect you at all or 2) they cut jobs to make sure they at least keep the same profit margin they had before the tax increase?

                            • 2 votes
                            #17.6 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:12 AM EST
                            Jannie-862333

                            Gee, you don't think it has ANYTHING to do with union wages?!? Puleeze! Budster: You forgot to add 3): they will move out of the country!

                              #17.7 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:29 PM EST
                              Reply
                              bob-1617400

                              He is in a tough situation. With high unemployments, Americans will become even more impatience. It is another opportunity for Democrats to thrive and lead but squander by their constant bickering and paritisanship.

                              He will go down in history as a one-term president. The people should focus more on clearing out Congress and Senate Leaders instead of the President.

                              I support Obama but not the way Congress and Senate does their work. I wish the media would focus more on the failure of our legislative branch.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#18 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:06 AM EST
                              Sandy-298493

                              Get the stars out of your eyes. Obama, so far, is a failure.

                              • 4 votes
                              #18.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:10 AM EST
                              The Truth-804091

                              Obama can't lead and the Congress went wild. A new congress won't fix that unless they oppose him on principle. If Obama is unwilling to govern as a centrist and listen to the American people, he'll lose both houses of Congress, fight a 3 year partisan battle, and go down as the worst President America has ever known. America will not elect another black President for 30+ years now thanks to Obama's incompetence, another dubious legacy for the Community Organizer in charge.

                              • 7 votes
                              #18.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:28 AM EST
                              anonymous-839111

                              Sandy ... the Congress, Senate, and President all need to work cohesively - as Bob said; 2 parts of the picture are broke, if one fails, the whole team does - blame the team, not one man.

                                #18.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:50 AM EST
                                Sandy-298493

                                Without a leader the team is worthless.

                                • 4 votes
                                #18.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:03 AM EST
                                Reply
                                Good Luck-1524703

                                He lied about bringing the troops home in 6 months

                                He lied about closing Guantanamo

                                He lied about ending torture

                                He lied about getting us out of NAFTA (North American Union)

                                He lied about not hiring lobbyists (he has more than any other Pres.)

                                He lied about transparancy

                                He lied about a new 911 investigation

                                He lied about not using signing statements

                                He lied about not using executive orders (his 1st two orders were to seal ALL of his records and then bomb Pakistan)

                                He lied about ending warentless wiretapping

                                He lied about repealing the Patriot act

                                He lied about ending the trans-Texas corridor

                                He lied about no new taxes

                                He lied about bonusus

                                He lied about cutting the deficit and debt

                                He lied, he lied, he lied....PERIOD

                                BIG FAT F

                                • 14 votes
                                Reply#19 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:07 AM EST
                                MGinRochester

                                Good Luck, you don't read much, do you? Do you REALLY think he lied about those things? Just to pick one, he tried to close Guantanamo but it got blocked in congress.

                                • 1 vote
                                #19.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:55 AM EST
                                Ripley8

                                shall we post Bushs; lies ?? all 8 years worth ?

                                it would be much much shorter to list the truths he told...

                                like " I don't care about bin laden"

                                • 1 vote
                                #19.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:07 PM EST
                                Ralphie2010Deleted
                                Reply
                                Lynn-350504

                                Obama does NOT deserve a grade "C". He has gotten an "F".

                                • 8 votes
                                Reply#20 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:07 AM EST
                                Sandy-298493

                                Bunch of baloney, which he is very good at. There are other states with problems besides Indiana. He needs to stop promising!

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#21 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST
                                Mike S-1449454

                                Obama gets a C for promises fulfilled. How? When I went to school this lack of fulfillment would have garnished an "F" !

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#22 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:09 AM EST
                                Jannie-862333

                                Ah, but look at the school systems now - no one fails - they just keep passing them upwind. Most of Detroit high school graduates (if they make it that far) can't even read! If they would only go back to the 3 "R's", not pass any child to a next grade level unless they can read and write and not get passing marks because "we don't want to hurt the feelings of anyone" (progressive/liberal PC crap that doesn't work!), then we could give Obama an "F"; but based on the modern-day learning curve, yep - it would equal out to a "C"~

                                  #22.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:39 PM EST
                                  Reply
                                  J. From Texas

                                  This clown has lied to the American public for two years, and yet some people continue to buy into everything he says. His agenda of turning our nation into a socialist country is all he is about. In his own words "If you what to know what I am about, judge me by the people I surrround myself with." Well, he has surrounded himself with the unions, the lobbist that he said would not happen. He has offer deal after deal to the unions. You know I have been a chevy man for 20 yrs, but due to his buying of GMAC, I will never buy another GMAC product again. This guy does not care about our country, only what is in best interest. Please America, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  Reply#23 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:10 AM EST
                                  Gary F from CA

                                  Wow, Texas can spell words like Coffee. Congrats.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:12 AM EST
                                  consgoawayDeleted
                                  OK People

                                  Bush? Plame?

                                  Ancient History, conway....

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #23.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:30 AM EST
                                  anonymous-839111

                                  OK PEOPLE - Not quite ancient history...unfortunately Mr. Bush left a legacy that can't be swept clean overnight...if you have the answer, tell PResident Obama, be part of a solution.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #23.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST
                                  OK People

                                  Lamont, you big dummy! The only legacy is that of a DEMOCRATIC-led Congress!!

                                  And I did tell Barry the answer to his problems: I inserted a line on his teleprompter saying "Stop speaking and step away from the podium"...

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #23.5 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:45 PM EST
                                  Dennis Winston

                                  I guess not buying a chevy is going to hurt the President....WOW

                                    #23.6 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:35 PM EST
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                                    madmax13Deleted
                                    LTCSTAN-1043256

                                    People were sucked in by a snake oil charlatan. When will people realize that all politicians, especially those running for election, LIE. They all lie and tell you want you want to hear. When it's too good to be true that he will do something, you know it's a lie. Everyone listened to obama but didn't hear what he was saying. They were enamored by his looks and color and the fabricated hated of President Bush. obama did not win, Bush lost and he wasn't even running. The ignorant American electorate led to the slaughter by their own kind, the politician. There is a flicker of hope though, Massachusettes.

                                    • 8 votes
                                    Reply#25 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:13 AM EST
                                    John Cook-401250

                                    They main reason for Obama's election had more to do with Sarah Palin than with his promises. I doubt many folks thought that he would have a chance to make good on many of those lofty ideals. This country is totally broke thanks to the W gang and there is little hope for recovery for many years to come. That's not my ignorant perception....that's just the plain truth. It's a healthy thing that the population voted against Bush, even when he was not running. A fear of the same old same old is a good thing. Hillary would have been a better choice for sure, but we got what we got.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #25.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:24 AM EST
                                    papabran

                                    Blame it on Bush???? The President does not set the federal budget. Congress does. Bush was stuck with a Democrat congress both terms.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #25.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:01 AM EST
                                    db7848

                                    Papabran,

                                    If you can't use facts don't try to sell the propoganda. I think Bush had a republican house except the last two years. McCain stated "the republicans spent money like drunk'n sailers" Dah!!!!!!

                                      #25.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:31 AM EST
                                      Lisette53-

                                      So how do you explain Hilary?

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #25.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:01 PM EST
                                      OK People

                                      That is not possible....

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #25.5 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:49 PM EST
                                      Reply
                                      Voted4Him

                                      The Economy for me started to dive once the "DotCom" bust started when Clinton was in office in the late '90's, then got worse with 911 and war that followed, then worse with the Mortgage/Credit collapse, and even worse with the Obama Administration. They are raising taxes by letting tax credits expire. Saying he is not raising them is a LIE! One of many. I am just tired of all the Lies coming from his mouth. He has and has had the ability to fix this, and he cares more about his agenda than the American People. Can't wait for 20012, maybe we can get someone in there who can fix it....hopefully we can wait that long....

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#26 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:13 AM EST
                                      Voted4Him

                                      Blaming this mess on Obama or Bush or Clinton alone is ignorance. It has been a combination of all 3...the perfect storm. 3 Idiots... and I voted for all 3 each time they won...lol. I guess I am to blame to. We all are. We keep electing these idiots that couldn't run a company, much less and d@mn country.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #26.1 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:25 AM EST
                                      OK People

                                      3 Idiots... and I voted for all 3 each time they won.

                                      O.K., make that 4...

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #26.2 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:47 AM EST
                                      Kansasvoice-393945

                                      What are you talking about? This is a Democracy not a dictatorship. Pres. Obama has been working tirelessly to get things done for the American people and the GOP and Media have made it impossible for him. It's a case of D-----, if you do, and d------, if you don't, for Obama. It is the Republican'ts that are lying at every turn and being obstructionist in a time of great CRISIS in this country. And for some reason, people like you still think they have your best interest at heart. WOW!

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #26.3 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:55 AM EST
                                      Jannie-862333

                                      Yes, this is STILL a democracy, but not for long under Obama. The GoP and media are making it impossible for Obama to do anything? Think again! The GoP is NOT the MAJORITY in Congress/Senate - their votes don't even count! And the media? C'mon - they ADORE Obama (exception is Fox News). Once again, you Obama lovers are finding a way to blame ANYONE (everyone) else for his failures. And before you call me a GOP zombie, I will inform you that I will be carefully studying who I will be voting for in upcoming elections - Dem/Rep/Libertarian/Tea Party - I don't care what party - just what the person stands for! Wake up!

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #26.4 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:53 PM EST
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