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US debt will keep growing even with recovery

Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:13 AM EST
politics, us, deficit, crunch
Tom Raum, Associated Press
In his weekly address President Barack Obama repeated his promise to create a panel of Democrats and Republicans to suggest strategies for closing the gap between what the governement takes in and what it spends.
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<p>FILE - This Feb. 1, 2010, file photo shows the National Debt Clock in New York. The budget President Barack Obama submitted to Congress this month proposes record spending of $3.8 trillion for 2011. Taxes in next year's budget will support only $2.5 trillion of that spending, leaving $1.3 trillion to be borrowed. The Debt Clock is a privately funded estimate of the national debt. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)</p>

FILE - This Feb. 1, 2010, file photo shows the National Debt Clock in New York. The budget President Barack Obama submitted to Congress this month proposes record spending of $3.8 trillion for 2011. Taxes in next year's budget will support only $2.5 trillion of that spending, leaving $1.3 trillion to be borrowed. The Debt Clock is a privately funded estimate of the national debt. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)

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WASHINGTON — It's bad enough that Greece's debt problems have rattled global financial markets. In the world's largest economic and military power, there's a far more serious debt dilemma.

For the U.S., the crushing weight of its debt threatens to overwhelm everything the federal government does, even in the short-term, best-case financial scenario — a full recovery and a return to prerecession employment levels.

The government already has made so many promises to so many expanding "mandatory" programs. Just keeping these commitments, without major changes in taxing and spending, will lead to deficits that cannot be sustained.

Take Social Security, Medicare and other benefits. Add in interest payments on a national debt that now exceeds $12.3 trillion. It all will gobble up 80 percent of all federal revenues by 2020, government economists project.

That doesn't leave room for much else. What's left is the entire rest of the government, including military and homeland security spending, which has been protected and nurtured by the White House and Congress, regardless of the party in power.

The U.S. debt crisis also raises the question of how long the world's leading power can remain its largest borrower.

Moody's Investors Service recently warned that Washington's credit rating could be in jeopardy if the nation's finances didn't improve.

Despite election-year political pressure from voters for lawmakers to restrain spending, some recent votes suggests that Congress, left to its own devices, probably isn't up to the task of trimming deficits.

Both the Obama administration and Democratic leaders have put job creation ahead of deficit reduction for now.

The Senate faces an important vote after it returns on Feb. 22 from its President's Day recess on a bill intended to stimulate job growth. The legislation offers a $13 billion payroll tax credit for companies that hire unemployed workers, including an additional $1,000 tax credit for workers retained for a full year.

Proposed belt-tightening steps by President Barack Obama, including a freeze on some nondefense, nonentitlement spending, would make only a small dent in the mountain of debt.

The budget he submitted to Congress this month proposes record spending of $3.8 trillion for 2011. Taxes in next year's budget will support only $2.5 trillion of that spending, leaving $1.3 trillion to be borrowed.

The president's budget is a best-case outlook, from the administration's vantage point.

It doesn't take into account future liabilities from the growth of entitlement benefits and is based on projected economic growth that depends on a solid recovery. It assumes Congress will pass all of Obama's initiatives, including spending cuts and tax increases previously rejected by Congress.

Congress already has rejected a bipartisan deficit commission that could have forced Congress to take painful steps on tax increases and entitlements.

The commission would have been modeled on one that makes military base-closing decisions, forcing Congress to take up or down votes. The Senate turned aside the legislation last month after some original Republican supporters jumped ship once Obama endorsed the plan.

Proponents say this type of commission is the only way to make painful debt decisions. Obama says he'll create a bipartisan commission by presidential order instead.

"In the end, solving our fiscal challenge — so many years in the making — will take both parties coming together, putting politics aside, and making some hard choices about what we need to spend, and what we don't," Obama said in his weekly Saturday radio and internet address.

Still, his commission wouldn't have the power to force a congressional vote.

Obama's call for fiscal austerity came at the same time he signed legislation lifting the cap on government debt from $12.4 trillion — which is close to being breached — to $14.3 trillion to permit more borrowing.

The same law puts in place new budget rules praised by deficit hawks that would require future spending increases or tax cuts to be paid for with higher taxes or other spending cuts. "After a decade of profligacy, the American people are tired of politicians who talk the talk but don't walk the walk when it comes to fiscal responsibility," Obama said.

It's not clear when the debt's day of reckoning will arrive. But the overall national debt over the next few years will rise to 100 percent of the gross domestic product — a level viewed as alarming by the International Monetary Fund and international economists.

The Social Security system, the biggest social spending program, has begun paying out more in benefits than it collects in payroll taxes. For the past quarter-century, Social Security had produced a surplus that helped finance the rest of the government.

Medicare, the health care program that now covers 45 million elderly and disabled people, is in worse shape. It's been paying out more than it takes in since 2008 and its trust fund is projected to run out of money in 2017.

Carmen Reinhart, an economics professor at the University of Maryland and a former IMF official, suggested the nation's fast-growing indebtedness may not have a visible impact at this point on ordinary Americans. But some day it will pounce.

"One thing we can say with a fair amount of certainty," she said. "We never know when the wolf will be at our door. The wolf is very fickle and markets can turn very quickly. And a high debt level makes us very vulnerable to shifts in sentiment that we cannot predict."

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authorondo

The answer is a national lottery to fund social security. 50% goes to restore social security and 50% goes to 50 lottery winners, one in each state. It's a ROPE to rescue Obama.

The government has to keep its sticky fingers off the money. Obama has this problem.

Passing money out to people that don't earn the money is stealing. Jobs is the Number One problem right now. Healthcare is a backburner issue.

    Reply#1 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:38 AM EST
    Paul Lucero

    NO the answer is to SLASH SPENDING, Especially on Foreign Wars!

      #1.1 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:15 PM EST
      eriq samson

      Why do wingnuts insist on making fools of themselves - in public

      Rondo - Obama's JOB as president is to keep his sticky fingers on the money - you are decrying a president for doing his job?

      "Passing money out to people that don't earn the money" is called interest income, capital gains, inheritance - unless you have come up with a new definition, one that fits your delusions

      Health care IS a part of jobs - health care is eating up 17% of our GDP, twice as much as the next nearest nation. It is making us non-competitive in global markets which means fixing health care would fix jobs

      Paul - you do not slash spending in a recession, you do it in good times, you slash COSTS and the wars are costs; roads would be benefits that enable more economic activity - you increase spending on infrastructure

      • 1 vote
      #1.2 - Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:07 PM EST
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      TBK

      Cut pork, corporate bonuses, congressional pay raises, stop these crazy wars, and get these sorry a&* do nothing government officials out of office and this country will make a u-turn.

      You don't have to be a genius to figure this out..voters will have to take the Bull by the horns and start the process at the ballot box in November.

      It's time to take this country back to jobs, fair housing market, increased min. wages to $11.75/hr, kill pork spending & lobbyist, so these idiots can stop ruining the country & begin focusing on their job without their heads being stuck up some lobbyist's a%%!

      • 3 votes
      Reply#2 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:10 AM EST
      Paul Lucero

      Slash Government to the Bone!

      Defund the Department of Education!!!

      Defund HHS!!!!

      Defund the FED!!!

        #2.1 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:16 PM EST
        AmusedinVa

        Defund the FED!!!

        Actually elimination of the federal reserve would be a better way to put that. They are after all one of the most secretive, unaccountable semi quasi government agencies in existence.

        Looking at the other items though in honesty while it will never happen eliminating the federal Department of Education would not really be a bad idea either. If the feds weren't skimming their percentage off before returning money back to the states, the states would have plenty of extra funds for education. The department of transportation is the same scenario ( tax dollars from gas tax goes to DC, DC siphons off their 10% then returns 90% back to the states ). Seems to a rational person that 10% would be better spent on paving roads then paying DC salaries.

        • 2 votes
        #2.2 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:44 PM EST
        TBK

        They sure would, but they will never do it..their the masters of all this confusion, inflation, deflation and recession..it's all scientifically produced by the Fed's.

        And they'll never be regulated..they truly run the country..hands down.

        • 1 vote
        #2.3 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:41 PM EST
        putman

        The Fed system is definitely needed, but perhaps some structural changes are needed. Hamilton made the persuasive argument in the late 18th century for the system, and it remains a needed now as then.

        • 1 vote
        #2.4 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:56 PM EST
        retired military ex republican.

        Republicans will never allow it.

          #2.5 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:54 AM EST
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          Rixar13

          I would like to start with no bid contracts and privatization of military in Iraq via Dick Cheney. Smile :-)

          Black-water corruption and theft of tax-payer monies.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#3 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:22 AM EST
          Rixar13

          stop these crazy wars and Reform Health Care system.

          • 2 votes
          #3.1 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:26 AM EST
          Paul Lucero

          The Wars are all IMMORAL and we have been killing for 9 Years when is it that you will realize the whole War this is total Bovine Excrement!

          • 3 votes
          #3.2 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:17 PM EST
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          AmusedinVa

          Despite election-year political pressure from voters for lawmakers to restrain spending, some recent votes suggests that Congress, left to its own devices, probably isn't up to the task of trimming deficits.

          That part speaks volumes about the problem. Until we replace the current members of Congress not a few here and few there but all in a single sweeping election their arrogance wont stop.

          How many people reading this watch C-Span and some of the debates on spending these people have? They casually talk about spending billions of dollars as insignificant and then can't figure out why they run out of money long before they run out of year.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#4 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:44 AM EST
          putman

          I watch C-Span and have for quite a while. I agree that they speak of billions as it is nothing. It is also not realistic to think or believe that all the incumbents will ever be swept out of office in one election. Voters vote locally, and those that they believe produce for them locally will continue to get elected.

          Social Security has had plenty of money poured into it. It is disingenuous politicians that have raided the fund over and over to pay for other programs that have it in the condition it is in. Budget gimmicks prevail. Both parties have done this, it is a true bipartisan action for years.

          A long term, comprehensive program would be best for our economy, but politics will not allow that. Every change in majorites bring about change in policy, either cut taxes and reduce revenue, or cut tax and spend, or raise taxes and spend more. This up and down policy change is the biggest problem we have.

          A strong economy with good paying jobs, a reasonable cost health care system and logical economic policy is what is needed. The partisan divide will not let that happen. All parties are to blame. But the real blame is on us, the electorate, for voting in people who ride on singular issues that have local impact, and not voting for the national good.

          End big money in campaigns, and we might achieve that. I hope to see that in my lifetime, but I am not optomistic.

          • 3 votes
          #4.1 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:30 AM EST
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          DAZ-1383681

          I just pray that we as AMERICANS see our Gov't for what they are and have become for the past 30+ years. As a quote stated in another post they are not listening to the AMERICAN PEOPLE nor are they going to start listening. This isn't a Bush/Obama, democrat/republican thing, this is a corrupt power hungry grab against the citizens of the UNITED STATES.

          Honestly they don't care what we think, hell just look at the last 5 years or so Bush was a disaster and spent us into oblivian now we have HOPE & CHANGE and look where we are going further and further into debt. We as AMERICA should be leading the lending to countries not leading in the borrowing department.

          We have taxed our business's to death, set up bureacratic agency to police one another to police business's (regulations already in force) (EPA, FTC, OSHA, Etc......)let us enforce the laws on the books before we start writing more laws in bills full of pork from both sides of the aisle.

          Ask yourself this question: Are democrats/republican politicians that different from each other? I pesonally don't see where they are different they both pledge ridiculous promises and do exactly the opposite most of the time. They DO WHAT SPECIAL INTEREST TELL THEM TO DO. PERIOD!! Very evident if you ask me.

          Stop Spending Washington DC/Politicians this is what the American People are begging you to do and come together to find ways of bringing back good paying careers to the UNITED STATES! Lower the tax on business's offer incentives for them to create new products, expand current products. The last thing they need is burdens from more bureacratic b/s agencies and Cap & Tax....

          Government is not the solution it is the problem they are and have been making a disaster out of things! How many of your run your house budgets like our wonderful gov't runs our countries?

          • 3 votes
          Reply#5 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:06 AM EST
          putman

          Government is neither the solution nor the problelm. Government is necessary. How the Government is run is the problem. Wise use of the powers of the government enhances the lives of its citizens.

          The catering (selling) of the country to big business (big money) is the problem. Those against regulation of business are part of the problem. Those for government programs without paying for it are the problem. Cutting taxes is noble, but not realisitc without corresponding spending cuts. Balance spending with taxes, throw in common sense regulation of business, protect american workers, help the poor. That is how the country became great.

          Without regulation of business, we have the mess we have now. Greed is part of hunan nature, that is why we need regulation. There was unregulated business in the latter part of the 19th century through the beginning of the 20th century: brought about the depression. Regulation of business through the thirties brought stability. Continued regulation, the protection of American workers (through the NRLA) brought about our great growth of the country. Deregulation that began in the late 70's, and expanded tremendously through the eighties and nineties brought about this mess.

          We can fix it with some guts and smarts.

          • 1 vote
          #5.1 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:08 PM EST
          Paul Lucero

          VOTE every incumbent OUT!

          • 2 votes
          #5.2 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:18 PM EST
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          Heywood JablowmeDeleted
          black spider

          Your stupid greedy Republican and Democrat Congresses over the past 12 years have been reckless, spending like drunken sailors trying to compete for votes while both putting billions in the pockets of special interests.

          PAX on both of you. Hang all of you on the steps of the Capitol.

          They have created $104 trillion in unfunded mandates while Bush, Obama and Peleolosi act as if nothing happened.

          WHO YOU FREAKIN KIDDIN?

          They all believe in one thing: if we devalue the dollar our debts magically disappear.

          But one thing they failed to tell you: your standard of living goes into the toilet to make that happen.

          Dumb lawyers. You want fiscal sanity? Hire accountants, farmers and small businesspeople to Congress next time.

          Until the entitlement and nanny state mentality is curbed, this continues to spin out of control like a big turd going down your toilet. Nice graphics, eh?

          A BIG TURD GOING DOWN THE TOILET, brought to you by BUSH and OBAMA.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#7 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:32 PM EST
          Plain Sick O taxes

          " US debt will keep Growing " Of course it will..The Interest alone will sink our great , great , grandchildren as it will still be around when they are born. The last administration and this one are both models for the old proverb. Don't put a fox in charge of the henhouse. Oh , why bother . Hell, we go back and forth when we all know the bottom line. Washington is full of crooks and a bunch out to get all they can with any way they can. They use to hide the fact somewhat, but for the last 16 years and this one, they are so brazen they don't even bother . At least Jessie James wore a mask, and toted a gun . Well , since the economy is so bad , I expect to see an all out war to break out any day now. That's Government's solution when facing a Depression , or when they may be forced to answer for their incompetence . But they have to wait for Iran to get their Nuke. After all, if America isn't fair , it is nothing. We will insist on a level playing field for our enemies. If the Great Pragmatist , Obama were around when the decision to drop the Bomb on Japan was needed, we'd all be speaking Japanese now. There is a big difference in being Pragmatic , and not knowing what to do . Then your answer will be to do nothing and hope the problem will go away. all by itself. .

          • 2 votes
          Reply#8 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:56 AM EST
          Michael F Shircliff

          The real question is, will America as we know it make it to 2020 and 80% of the fed budget gobbled up?

          With 20 million out of work, and the Republican governors in every state slashing and burning to try and dig our way out, the America we knew, will not exist by then.

          It is gone, the collapse happened, the adjustment drives us toward a third world country, nothing changes, people still go to work, they still have a beer with those that can, and those that can't, are marginalized and become unimportant over time and dissappear, onto the streets.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#9 - Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:40 AM EST
          One Miscreant

          Just raise the debt ceiling...

          [Insert sarcasm and cynicism here]

          • 2 votes
          Reply#10 - Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:27 PM EST
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