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Obama says stimulus bill saved troubled economy

Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:42 AM EST
business, politics, us, obama, barack-obama, stimulus, great-depression
Associated Press
President Barack Obama says Republican lawmakers have been busily making hay over the stimulus plan --unfairly.
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<p>President Barack Obama, accompanied by Vice President Joe Biden, delivers remarks on the economy on the one year anniversary of the signing of the Recovery Act, Wednesday, Feb. 17, 2010, in the South Court Auditorium in the Old Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)</p>

President Barack Obama, accompanied by Vice President Joe Biden, delivers remarks on the economy on the one year anniversary of the signing of the Recovery Act, Wednesday, Feb. 17, 2010, in the South Court Auditorium in the Old Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama hailed Wednesday's one-year-old economic stimulus law as an accomplishment that staved off another Great Depression and kept up to 2 million people on the job.

Still, with millions still out of work and losing patience, Obama acknowledged that to them, "It doesn't yet feel like much of a recovery."

Marking the anniversary of the $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, Obama aimed his message at people skeptical about the expensive relief measure and Republican lawmakers who voted against it and continue to hammer him about it.

To the public, Obama explained, as he has many times before, that the stimulus plan was composed of tax cuts for most Americans along with help for state governments, extended social service benefits and huge investments in energy, education and infrastructure.

"One year later, it is largely thanks to the recovery act that a second depression is no longer a possibility," Obama said.

To his Republican critics, who say the bill was a costly, debt-financed blunder that has not delivered on the promise of job creation, Obama challenged them to take up the case with people who have stayed employed or have found help solely because he and the Democratic-run Congress acted.

Obama even delighted in recounting a section of his State of the Union address last month in which he talked of the tax cuts from the stimulus plan and watched Republican lawmakers fail to applaud the idea.

"They were all kind of squirming in their seats ... It was interesting to watch," Obama said.

And Obama made sure to commend himself and his own team for taking action.

The United States has lost an astounding 8.4 million jobs since this recession began in December 2007.

Obama said the stimulus plan is on target to create or save 1.5 million more jobs, bringing up the estimated total to 3.5 million.

But he sought to remind people that the goal of law was never to restore every job. The government can build confidence and demand and rescue people in hard times during a severe economic slide, Obama said, but it will always be businesses of the private sector that ultimately generate jobs and a recovery.

Obama made repeated references to how well, in his view, his government has done with the stimulus.

"There has never been a program of this scale, moved at this speed, that has been enacted as effectively and as transparently as the recovery act," Obama added. Referring to Vice President Joe Biden and the other top aides, Obama said, "This team has done an outstanding job."

Biden, who has led the stimulus implementation, took his own swipe at critics. "They're unwilling to step up," he said. "Well not us."

(This version CORRECTS SUBS 3rd graf to correct name of law.)

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NLP2009

His talk today about saving the economy was more about saving himself. It was a very defensive oration and one of the most partisan to date.

Too bad he just doesn't catch on.

I for one would like to hear something more productive.

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:19 AM EST
authorondo

Obama's gun is out of bullets. He shot his mouth off. Now it's crunch time.

I don't think big business is going to cut Obama any slack. Small business people lost many good workers by downsizing.

Big government isn't going to employ all these people. Obama has made a difficult period even worse. He has nothing to show for his time in office.

The real bad news is coming. Many states can't pay their bills. The stimulus plan was only providing cover for the inevitable. TARP money, Troubled Asset Relief Program was for the banks. They have recovered and paid back much of the money.

The stimulus money didn't create any jobs. Obama is in trouble. That's why he needed to appoint the BLUE RIBBON PANEL. They will recommend taxing the middle class

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:55 AM EST
Reply
Greg Johnson-900798

He can say whatever he wants - No one believes him anymore. His promises are as empty as his suit, he shows no managerial skills, no leadership, no connection with the problems the American People are facing, no knowledge of economics or finance. This guy actually believes there was economic benefit to this country by spending $170M on analyzing pig urine odor.

  • 17 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:20 AM EST
NLP2009

I agree. I'm not sure what stimulus he's talking about. He certainly wasn't describing the one we all know and hate. He and his administration didn't keep track of where it was going and when they did track it, it was tracked to non-existent districts. Then the rest went to ridiculous studies and to pork projects. I'm so disappointed that he still doesn't understand what this country is experiencing. Either his head is in the sand or he just wishes our country ill will................

  • 7 votes
#3.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:23 AM EST
rick-673281

"Either his head is in the sand"

You mean stuck up his a$$ (or Pelosi, Reid and big labor)(damn what a smell or a view that would make maybe someone should ask Gibbs about that at his daily briefings)

  • 9 votes
#3.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:03 PM EST
VetteLover

Wow, what an enormously BIG reach that is! And the Obama Administration is also directly responsible for the surge and success in Iraq (per Biden)!

What is so sad is how many people actually believe this @!$%#! This President is so flipping arrogant. I am predicting now, he will get caught up in not one or two major political scandals, but MANY when it is all said and done. For right now, MSNBC and his majority rule is covering up all his corruption.

  • 5 votes
#3.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:56 PM EST
Pete520

For right now, MSNBC and his majority rule is covering up all his corruption

So are you one of the people who contends that nobody watches MSNBC? If that's the case, your argument really doesn't hold water.

  • 2 votes
#3.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:50 PM EST
Darkdonnie

So are you one of the people who contends that nobody watches MSNBC?

There are a lot here on the vine that do! So many of them get their talking points and drag them in here.

  • 7 votes
#3.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:02 PM EST
thinking aloud

Some people read MSNBC articles and can't stand listening to the BS on the channel.

  • 1 vote
#3.6 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:05 PM EST
VetteLover

Hey Pete

I never said that! Of course people watch MSNBC. People also watch Fox. I don't really care; I rarely watch any of it! To much drama! Especially with Beck! Deliver the story please, no tears necessary! It is specifically hard for me to accept the bias of MSNBC I have to say. They are working so hard to discount anyone who does not take the Presidents complete agenda- HOOK, LINE AND SINKER! General Electric has MUCH to gain from this administration, that makes them not a credible source for me. GE has no intention of biting the hand that possibly could feed them tens of billions in cap n trade amongst other behind the doors deals.

  • 3 votes
#3.7 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:32 PM EST
truth.4 onceDeleted
DARKESTDONNIE

truth.4 once,

Oh Behave!

  • 4 votes
#3.9 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:55 PM EST
taao

Wow the stimulus saved the economy. Two million jobs were saved. Lets branch out shall we? Obama has demonstrated transparency and total bipartisanship and closed Gitmo as well as pulled us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Lets go for the gold! Health care for all has been passed and all Americans are now covered by Obamacare! Let freedom ring baby! Mission Accomplished! I am the Obama hear me roar! Only slightly into my second year and I have accomplished everything! Drink my sheeple drink! Partake from the koolaide cup from which I dipeth! Hallowed be the name of me! Obama! Obama! Obama!

  • 4 votes
#3.10 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:31 AM EST
Darkdonnie

taao,

Don't forget he fixed global warming as evidenced by the recent snowstorms! brought world peace in the future by winning the nobel piece prize. (I did not misspell it)

  • 3 votes
#3.11 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:51 AM EST
taao

Ooops my bad knew I was forgetting something thanks hehe

  • 1 vote
#3.12 - Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:00 PM EST
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gregjarvis

saved 2 mill jobs?... he said unemployment would never go over 10% and it did... wait, what?

  • 10 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:47 AM EST
greg-709692

Pres. Obama, in his arogance, claims we are dumb asses!

Karma:

Joe bidden, as he has said about others, has become a "Dot" head.

Divine intervention?

  • 10 votes
#5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:03 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Joe bidden, as he has said about others, has become a "Dot" head.

hahahaha...

  • 5 votes
#5.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:51 PM EST
Ellen-for-Obama

It's called Roman Catholic. I was dragged up that way and once did Ash Wednesday, too.

Okay, our turn to make fun of YOUR beliefs! Who are YOUR invisible friends and what silly rituals do YOU practice?

  • 9 votes
#5.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:19 PM EST
Lkessler

greg: denial is a powerful force...

Ellen! Nice to see you girl! I know you're all Obama girl, so no problem.

PS. I used to be Catholic when I was really young--is it really Ash Wednesday? To be honest, I have no idea!! ;o *no wonder everyone in my family made for terrible Catholics!*

  • 2 votes
#5.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:10 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

that dot have something to do with Catholics?...I didn't know.

  • 2 votes
#5.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:12 PM EST
Lkessler

Vol: what dot!? Did I miss something!? ;o

  • 2 votes
#5.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:13 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

The dot on Biden's forehead in the photo. I thought someone might have pegged him with a nasty snowball, but people keep mentioning Ash Wed., like your suppose to look like that or something, I dunno.

  • 5 votes
#5.6 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:29 PM EST
Dennis270

like your suppose to look like that or something, I dunno

If you're a practicing Catholic, such as the Vice President. The palm crosses from the previous years Palm Sunday are dried and burned, the resulting ashes are mixed with oil, and the paste applied by the priest to the foreheads of the church members. It is a sign of repentance on the first day of Lent, in which Catholics sacrifice something for the entire Lenten period (now through Easter) out of respect and devotion to God.

  • 6 votes
#5.7 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:35 PM EST
Little Sure Shot

That picture just proves Barry is rubbing off on him.

  • 7 votes
#5.8 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:40 PM EST
Lkessler

My mom says that it is common practice to bless the faithful with ash mixed with holy water upon practicing Catholics during the Ash Wednesday masses. So, essentially, it is a conmemoration of Jesus' journey from birth to his crucifixion. So now there are forty-days until the commemoration of Jesus' rise from the dead--celebrated on Easter...

Well, I'm glad my mom knows her faith better than I do... Thanks Mom!!

  • 4 votes
#5.9 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:41 PM EST
Brad-1238300

It's Ash Wednesday, a holiday celebrated by Roman Catholics, in which Joe Bidden is. It is a Catholic practice to get the mark of he cross in ashes on your forehead. Ash Wednesday always follows Mari Gras which is celebrated before the Lenten season begins, and is also related to the religious holiday.

  • 4 votes
#5.10 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:48 PM EST
dcstone01

Well, we can certainly tell who the 'non-religious' types are can't we...

  • 3 votes
#5.11 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:00 PM EST
greg-709692

I already knew what the dot was Ellen-for-Obama.

Just found it ironic.

  • 4 votes
#5.12 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST
Lkessler

dcstone: i had to keep my mom on the phone while I jotted that down--otherwise, I would've surely bungled it all! *hee hee!*

To all my good, Catholic friends and those practicing out there: Have a good Ash Wednesday and may the meaning of the day stay with you throughout the season...

And to my Jewish friends... in 10 days, you will be celebrating Purim... May it be healthy, filled with reflexion, and happy.

  • 9 votes
#5.13 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:10 PM EST
dcstone01

Indeed Lkessler, indeed...good thoughts all around...

  • 4 votes
#5.14 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:19 PM EST
Rixar13

It's called Roman Catholic. I was dragged up that way and once did Ash Wednesday, too.

Ellen-for-Obama

Thanks for your comment as I too was Dragged up to be a Roman Catholic and was beat by nuns too in Catholic School. I call myself a reformed Roman Catholic now.....! Don't believe anything you hear, and only 1/2 of what you see....

  • 1 vote
#5.15 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:28 PM EST
eric60watts

Funny, I went to a private school, and was never beat by nuns. Maybe it was just you? Maybe you deserved it?

  • 3 votes
#5.16 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:57 PM EST
Kim-298921

I'm Episcopalian and we have the same tradition for Ash Wednesday and I'm wearing a similar mark of Imposition of Ashes on my own forehead right now.

  • 5 votes
#5.17 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:19 PM EST
Kim-298921

Pres. Obama, in his arogance, claims we are dumb asses!

If that were true, Greg, I'm sure you were the exact person he had in mind.

  • 7 votes
#5.18 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:20 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Okay, well, thanks people - I didn't know about that practice on Ash Wed. I guess it's true - you can get smarter here.

  • 3 votes
#5.19 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:00 PM EST
greg-709692

@ Kim:

Thank you for your concern!

One day you'll figure out! As of now, keep thinking that, especially when November comes around.

  • 2 votes
#5.20 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:17 AM EST
judi fermanich

I doubt seriously that Ellen was beaten by nuns. I know they believed in hitting knuckles if you misbehaved. Put out your hands and get a rap. I do believe she has "issues" with the Catholic faith.

I too, went to Catholic school. Got a couple of knuckle raps and in the first grade I kicked a nun in the shins because I was afraid of the black robed women. But I came to understand them as I grew wiser, and it did not take long. They had a purpose, and it was to educate even if the kid was kicking and screaming. That was me. And golly, I did learn. I learned a good deal. And I am thankful that I had people in those black robes who stuck with me until I did learn something. Once I got to public school that was not the case.

But none of this has anything to do with B.O. and the stimulous which only stimulated bankers into lining their pockets with bonus'. No small business' profitted, at least not enough to help jump start the economy. The rush to pass that mess had no safeguards in the spending to ensure the money would reenter the economy as wages for the general public. And have you heard anything about bringing jobs back that companies have farmed overseas? No, because that has not happened either. Mr. B.O. has not delivered in those areas. But he has entered the private sector as though it belonged to him. He is wrong. It does not. He has failed thus far. One year in and nothing that is worth while has been accomplished. But he sure makes enough noise.

    #5.21 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:04 AM EST
    Moderate-514640

    Don't feel bad vol fan in chatt, tn, I forgot it was Ash Wed. when I first saw him so I started wondering if he said something again that he wasn't suppose to.

    • 3 votes
    #5.22 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:53 PM EST
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    TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
    2TailPuppy

    Does Bidden and look and seem like he over did it with that stupid dirt on his head?

    Next he'll be smearing chicken blood on his door jam.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:10 PM EST
    Brian Ford

    Why do you hate Christians?

    • 8 votes
    #7.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:53 PM EST
    rick-673281

    2TailPuppy

    listen its ash wednesday and really has nothing to do with the article if you want to know what it is about look it up but to make fun of ones religious beliefs or lack of....

    • 7 votes
    #7.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:23 PM EST
    Darkdonnie

    but to make fun of ones religious beliefs or lack of....

    Is a favorite pastime here on the vine!

    • 5 votes
    #7.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:06 PM EST
    VetteLover

    The Jews used Lambs blood by the way (Passover) above the doors! Chicken blood is used in Voodoo! and our blood is used in the middle east! Including my oldest boy!

    • 2 votes
    #7.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:40 PM EST
    eric60watts

    Sorry to hear that Vette, but that has nothing to do with anything. Sorry...

      #7.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:07 PM EST
      Kim-298921

      How can people be so ignorant?

      • 6 votes
      #7.6 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:21 PM EST
      2TailPuppy

      >Sorry to hear that Vette, but that has nothing to do with anything. Sorry...

      Yes it does. It has everything to do with everything. Here we have grown supposedly intelligent men who are running the country expressing in public their pride at believing in Bronze Age mythology invented by a bunch of illiterate goat herders.

      • 2 votes
      #7.7 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:35 PM EST
      Darkdonnie

      Ahhhh the old Bronze age / goat herder argument, haven't heard that one in a coon's age!

      • 5 votes
      #7.8 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:41 PM EST
      thinking aloud

      I prefer drunk cave men invented god after beer.

      • 1 vote
      #7.9 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:45 PM EST
      truth.4 onceDeleted
      VetteLover

      eric60watts

      I was commenting back to 2tailpuppy's comment about chicken blood on the door jam.

      Next he'll be smearing chicken blood on his door jam.

      • 1 vote
      #7.11 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:09 PM EST
      judi fermanich

      As a Catholic, I prefer that those who do not wish to understand my faith, keep silent and at least show respect for me, and my belief as I do allow you yours or lack thereof.

      I think the same can be said for Biden or B.O. Show them that respect. I do not like their politics, not at all. But I refuse to bait them as to their religious beliefs. That is petty and does not belong here or anywhere, for that matter.

      • 1 vote
      #7.12 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:20 AM EST
      Reply
      GaryColumbus

      No matter what Obama says or does, whether positive or negative, wacko-conservatives will still find sh1t to hate him for. And that is how I feel about all of them. So up yours.

      • 6 votes
      #8 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:11 PM EST
      mrkirchner

      I guarrantee you that you will be worse off 3 years from now due to his policies and practices. Wake up before it's too late. Yes, Bush was pig spender also but Obama makes even Bush look like a fiscal conservative.

      • 6 votes
      #8.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:23 PM EST
      Beckyal

      The problem with Obama is that he is not spending to improve America. He is sending so much overseas. In his FY 2011 budget, he cut spending for programs that support Americans and increase spending for foreign aid programs which provides supports for foreign governments and foreign companies. Please tell how this helps America.

      • 6 votes
      #8.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:28 PM EST
      usn_fastattackDeleted
      GaryColumbus

      sane rational conservatives

      No such thing exists.

      I'm sure a neocon stink tank (like Rasmussen), could come up with some spin poll you'd like just to feel a little better.

      • 3 votes
      #8.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:51 PM EST
      TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
      Old VC

      Gee yesterday I heard a US Congressmen say he was going to quit and not run again to go home and work on Creating a Real Job because the congress hadn't in past six months!!

      • 4 votes
      #8.6 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:39 PM EST
      GaryColumbus

      Well gee skeptic. What could possibly have happened before Obama took office that would make it hard for anyone to get unemployment back in the black? Oh that's right. The Gingrich Republicans NAFTA bullsh1t and that George and Dick's administration fuk'd everything up so bad, you'd have to be some sort of miracle worker to turn that around in one year. At least Obama has a progressive outlook no matter what any ultra wacked conservative might say.

      In Columbus things aren't as bad as quite a few Ohio communities. Although politicians seem to be looking for some silver bullet theory in casinos and slot machines. Might as well just double down in one shot and go for craps with that idea. There's no way that gambling is the right idea to bail out sh1t. Just look at state and federal government for the past decade and tell me they don't have some kind of gambling problem. The problem is it's our money they gamble with.

      • 4 votes
      #8.7 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:29 PM EST
      VetteLover

      Great Post Skeptic!

      Politicians on both side of the isle will cower down to whomever keeps them in power. I love the Ideology tool they use for votes! These criminals could care a less about their constituency.

      As quoted from my favorite movie with slight revision: "They are all worthless and weak"! Douglas C. Niedermeyer

      • 1 vote
      #8.8 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:55 PM EST
      eric60watts

      Wow Gary...all yu spew is hate. And you complain about the "neocons"?

      • 1 vote
      #8.9 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST
      usn_fastattackDeleted
      truth.4 onceDeleted
      SuperSaiyan

      No matter what Obama says or does, whether positive or negative, wacko-conservatives will still find sh1t to hate him for.

      Yaeh, that's true Gary.

      I wonder if those who are criticizing President Obama for saying that the stimulus saves jobs realize that GOP lawmakers have privately admitted as such...

      http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/9/835408/-Washington-Times:-GOP-lawmakers-privately-admit-stimulus-created-jobs

      http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/09/stimulus-foes-see-value-in-seeking-cash/

      http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/16/837641/-WSJ-uncovers-more-examples-of-GOP-lawmakers-privately-admitting-stimulus-created-jobs

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703562404575067372476731404.html

      • 6 votes
      #8.12 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:33 PM EST
      GaryColumbus

      Clinton signed NAFTA into law yes but that was Gingrich and his Republican cronies baby.

      Spew hate huh. Look at what and whom we've been dealing with on your side of the isle. These days are the worst but for the last 40 years y'all haven't done sh1t that didn't pad the elitetous scum suckers wallets . Yeah, we have plenty of reasons to hate your slime trailed a$$es. And your comment doesn't make me any happier about any switches. Maybe I should point out how well your momma taught you how to suck eggs. Or maybe it was golf balls through garden hoses.

      • 2 votes
      #8.13 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:42 PM EST
      greg-709692

      How can it be Gingrich and his cronies fault, when the president of the United States has the "Pen" to sign with?

      Are you saying, Clinton was a wimp?

      • 2 votes
      #8.14 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:46 PM EST
      GaryColumbus

      Clinton thought NAFTA was a good idea from the standpoint that it could build up export profits. Gingrich and his cronies did their homework to cover up the fact that they would use it as an avenue to move their cronies companies over to dip into the sweat shop-child and cheap labor pool of China and India.

      If you'll remember greg, Clinton shut down that Republican Congress when they didn't give him a budget on time. First and only time the budget deficit was balanced and no Republican can take any dibs on any part of it. I know you'll probably bring up some bullsh1t Rasmussen poll that's contrary to that fact. One other thing that the public realized about that stunt was that we as a nation didn't really need all those bullsh1ting backstabbing sumb1tches. Things worked out pretty good without them. But because of Clinton's convictions of this historic moment he can't be a wimp in anyone's definition. I just wish he could have kicked your sorry Republican a$$es into the street where they all belong.

        #8.15 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:35 PM EST
        greg-709692

        Clinton had nothing to do with balancing the budget. He took the credit, but before the republicans took power, the Dems. had nothing on the books that would have balanced the budget.

        kinda like what were in now. Nothing a Lefty proposes is going to balance the budget of reduce the Deficit. We'll see what happens in November.

        Clinton was leanig far left, until the republicans became the majortiy, then Clinton went centrist.

        • 2 votes
        #8.16 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:44 PM EST
        GaryColumbus

        That's bullsh1t and you know it. The only thing the Gingrich Congress did the whole damn time during the Clinton administration was to try to monkey wrench the government as a whole just like they're doing now with their party of no BS. You tell me song and verse, when did a Republican program or policy ever work? Want a huge Republican F up to wetten your flavors for debate? Reaganomics was a huge mistake. We're still seeing the aftershocks in this recession now. And don't forget the S & L scandal which was the test-tube baby for this cycle which George & Dick spearheaded. Remember that George changed the laws right before the bottom of the bucket droppedout. That was no accident and reminds me of his insider trading bullsh1t before he was elected by idiots who're still in a dream state a ultra-conservative fanatical dumbsh1t.

        • 2 votes
        #8.17 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:59 PM EST
        greg-709692

        And

        The cussing starts!

        • 1 vote
        #8.18 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:59 PM EST
        Reply
        Tjknuckles

        sniff sniff....snake oil!

        • 5 votes
        Reply#9 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:12 PM EST
        George From Illinois

        Absolute lies. Obama and his entire administration are so far removed from reality it is frightening. Once you take out all the pork from what has been spent to date, you have very little left that could have saved/created as many jobs as they have reported.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#10 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:16 PM EST
        mrkirchner

        Do your own research on " created or saved "jobs. You will come away laughing or crying when you see how they do it. Only in Obamaland can you say it worked when it didn't. Joblessness was 7.6% when the stimulus started. It is now 9.7% ( I use the governments funny numbers in both cases here). That is 4 million MORE unemployed since this stimulus started. Obamaland: Where truth is fiction and right is wrong. The propaganda machine rolls on. I didn't see it in the story: Did he fly to some far off US city to make this announcement as he usually does or did he stay in Washington this time?

        It's amazing that so many are still duped by him and his cohorts!

        • 4 votes
        Reply#11 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:20 PM EST
        WhyIt

        Stimulus would only decrease the rate of job loss until the rate of loss becomes a rate of gain. Even with a negative rate of change in job loss (a good thing) the absolute amount of loss would still increase, though on a shallower curve. Unfortunately no one here seems to understand basic Calculus, but this is a prime example of it in action.

        • 4 votes
        #11.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:53 PM EST
        VetteLover

        I find the 9.7% a little suspecious! Sure was convenient that it changed just before the SOTU speech. I think Rahm worked pretty damn hard to manipulate those numbers until he got what he wanted. Kinda how the numbers are figured concerning the infamous hockey stick for global warming. Hard to believe anything the government tells you today!

          #11.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:31 PM EST
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          TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
          A Sergeant's Mom

          Good. Give us jobs.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#13 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST
          acravatt

          I figured this one would have the right-wing nuts frothing at the mouth and I was right. President Obama was wrong about one thing. He didn't save the economy from a depression, he saved it from total world wide collapse.

          • 9 votes
          Reply#14 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:29 PM EST
          usn_fastattackDeleted
          TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
          judi fermanich

          acravatt, now you are delusional. Could he be a virus that spreads? Good Grief!

          • 2 votes
          #14.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:03 PM EST
          rick-673281

          "He didn't save the economy from a depression, he saved it from total world wide collapse"

          We know where your head is stuck

          • 1 vote
          #14.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:13 PM EST
          acravatt

          To paraphrase the great Bugs Bunny, "What a bunch of Maroons"!

          • 4 votes
          #14.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST
          usn_fastattackDeleted
          Matthew-480753

          So are you folks suggesting that there was not a world wide financial crisis for which we bore most of the blame and that with few exceptions (the Greece blip for example) this crisis has been overcome?

          acravatt is correct based upon the media from non-US sources. Ask the folks in Iceland if they think world wide financial collapse is delusion.

          • 5 votes
          #14.7 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:41 PM EST
          Socrates1

          In answer to your first question..yes.

          • 2 votes
          #14.8 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:53 PM EST
          dcstone01

          Well, to some 'America' is best, first, last and always number one crowd...we can't have been the 'fault' for any trouble overseas....

          • 5 votes
          #14.9 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:54 PM EST
          Matthew-480753

          Socrates, are you aware of what has happened to the economy of Iceland, Ireland, UK...? They were roaring for over a decade, but all that stopped recently. They crashed because they bought into our bubble. How can you question this?

          • 4 votes
          #14.10 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:58 PM EST
          acravatt

          nice try acravatt using a cartoon insult to disagree with people who are calling you on your BS. have you had an IQ test lately???

          Funny, all the right-wing nuts have to offer for an argument is more rhetoric. Bugs was still right.

          (Oh, you really don't want to know what my IQ is. The answer would just depress you.)

          • 3 votes
          #14.11 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:41 PM EST
          Socrates1

          Matthew.

          and that with few exceptions (the Greece blip for example) this crisis has been overcome?

          I believe this remains to be seen.

          • 3 votes
          #14.12 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:02 PM EST
          Reply
          dcameraman

          It's all about patting themselves on the back; Me, me, me, & I, I, I. Change is GREAT isn't it!!!???

          • 3 votes
          Reply#15 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:31 PM EST
          Ellen-for-Obama

          OR maybe it's playing defense against the tinfoil-hat people, birthers, teabaggers, racists, and other liars.

          • 9 votes
          #15.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:21 PM EST
          vol fan in chatt, tn

          defense against the tinfoil-hat people, birthers, teabaggers, racists, and other liars

          well, well, well...I wondered when that would find its way into the conversation...It's old, get some new talking points.

          • 4 votes
          #15.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:33 PM EST
          Little Sure Shot

          That is the problem with kool aid toxicity Ellen and you having the brass cahonies to use the term "other liars". Your golden boy is the poster child for liars. Don't expect your reality check to come from the stimulus package, you would not know how to cash it anyway.

          • 3 votes
          #15.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:55 PM EST
          Matthew-480753

          Hmmm... I seem to recall a president on an aircraft carrier with a big sign in the background... taking credit for a job well done (which is still not done). All Obama did was to provide some facts and figures that suggest that the steep economic decline we were experiencing has reversed its trend and now looks to be improving. As a member of the voting public, I think we deserve a recounting of how the stimulus program is progressing. It was the complete lack of openness about spending during the W years that was so aggravating.

          • 6 votes
          #15.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:54 PM EST
          eric60watts

          Oh Ellen...thank you for proving, again, that you can't think for yourself, and only see the world as stereotypes and nagatives.

          • 2 votes
          #15.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:11 PM EST
          Kim-298921

          It's old, get some new talking points.

          The truth never gets old. It may, sometimes, hurt. We'll get you some Advil and a Kleenex.

          • 5 votes
          #15.6 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:23 PM EST
          David-1059922

          matthew
          All Obama did was to provide some facts and figures that suggest that the steep economic decline we were experiencing has reversed its trend and now looks to be improving

          . ---Problem is he's been doing that since March of last year. This co-insides with a multi-million dollar Washington study that found out if you tell the people through National Media Outlets the economy's in trouble they believe it, and act accordingly. Conversely, tell them Its recovering(because eventually it's going too anyway) the masses will believe it and we can be heralded as saving it.

          PROBLEM IS WITHOUT REAL LEADERSHIP AND SOLUTIONS NEITHER APPROACH IS WORKING

            #15.7 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:51 PM EST
            David-1059922

            Matthew
            I'll take a President on an Aircraft Carrier doing nothing but declaring VICTORY over a President that Graciously accepts a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing- as his country degenerates

            Who's the bigger fool???

            • 1 vote
            #15.8 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:55 PM EST
            vol fan in chatt, tn

            We'll get you some Advil and a Kleenex.

            Why thanks,Kim, you better have quite a bit, because this time next year...we will all be needing it -DDR and all.

            • 1 vote
            #15.9 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:06 PM EST
            Ellen-for-Obama

            Oh Ellen...thank you for proving, again, that you can't think for yourself, and only see the world as stereotypes and nagatives.

            Oh, I can think for myself AND spell. So, I'm one up on you. Wait, make that two.

            Speaking of two - TWO million jobs created by the stimulus. That is real and measurable. The liars are those who say no jobs were created. Are you one of them?

            • 2 votes
            #15.10 - Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:59 PM EST
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            dwillie

            The President is completely, totally, spot-on, absolutely correct. Only the actually or willfully ignorant continue to assert otherwise.

            • 10 votes
            #16 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:32 PM EST
            truth.4 onceDeleted
            vol fan in chatt, tn

            Only the actually or willfully ignorant

            Yep, 2/3 of America is stupid and ignorant...really now? You still believe this guy, who flat out lies, has broken promise after promise, is nothing more than a partisan hack who has no guts, and has to blame everything on other people --so who is it that you were talking about now?

            • 5 votes
            #16.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:49 PM EST
            Theresa-1389179

            DeWillie, you are delusional, but then that's what happens when you drink the koolaid

            • 3 votes
            #16.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST
            acravatt

            You still believe this guy, who flat out lies, has broken promise after promise, is nothing more than a partisan hack who has no guts, and has to blame everything on other people...

            Didn't the right-wing already proclaim that anything but blind loyalty to the president is treason?

            • 5 votes
            #16.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST
            dwillie

            It's easy for the terminally obtuse to throw rocks from the sidelines and take advantage of the fact that - like in every economic cycle - jobs are a lagging indicator of economic recovery. But the truth of President Obama's statement is already well confirmed by most knowledgeable and impartial observers of economic activity. There has been absolutely no evidence to contradict this consensus from the haters on this board - a clear indication of how intellectually bankrupt they are.

            The number of people who deny the fact that the stimulus has created jobs - including the hypocrites who trumpet funded projects in their districts after voting against stimulus - is merely an indication of how many people should feel blessed to live in a country where you can express an opinion and vote even if you don't know $h!t.

            • 9 votes
            #16.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:12 PM EST
            thinking aloud

            I read the article and weren't these the same economists who were trumpeting the same practices that lead to the recession? Of course they were.

            • 1 vote
            #16.6 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:24 PM EST
            dwillie

            weren't these the same economists who were trumpeting the same practices that lead to the recession? Of course they were.

            Do you have any evidence in support of your point? Answering your question yourself doesn't count.

            • 4 votes
            #16.7 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:54 PM EST
            thinking aloud

            They're your references go ahead look into them a little.

            • 1 vote
            #16.8 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:05 PM EST
            Socrates1

            If we're talking cycles than we can't blame Bush, certainly not Obama, and coincidentally anyone else in a position of power.

            Dodging a bullet when there are plenty more on the way is no indication that the crisis is "over".

            This is similar to me borrowing from one credit card to pay for another...it might work for a while but is essentially meaningless in terms of my financial position and I might even be going deeper in the hole. If a year isn't long enough to blame Obama, than it certainly isn't long enough to give him credit.

            • 4 votes
            #16.9 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:07 PM EST
            A Sergeant's Mom

            Bush gave away over 7 trillion dollars to foreign nations like Africa and other locations while foreclosures began rising in this country and unemployment soared between 2005 and 2008. What are you meaning by we cannot "blame" him?

            His personal decision to do this, (a president causing his own people undue burden while helping other nations) by Constitutional law is an impeachable offense.

            I didn't give away all that taxpayer money to other nations, did you? But, part of that money came from my tax dollars and your tax dollars and tax dollars from every taxpaying citizen posting on this article.

            Not sure what your point is...

            • 2 votes
            #16.10 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:13 PM EST
            David-1059922

            acravatt

            The Right Wing has an obligation to protect America and the Constitution from ALL enemies both foreign and domestic

              #16.11 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:59 PM EST
              A Sergeant's Mom

              Define the word, "enemy."

              • 3 votes
              #16.12 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:05 PM EST
              David-1059922

              a man that calls the Constitution fundamentally flawed --so even for those who use Clintonese --BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

              • 1 vote
              #16.13 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:17 PM EST
              A Sergeant's Mom

              YEAH! Hussein means, "I am a bad, bad man whose sane!" in French.

              Barrack means, "Army barracks," in Russian.

              Obama means, "Osama Bin Bama" in Hindu.

              Collectively, the phrase can be interpreted to mean, "I am a bad army barrack man named similarly somewhat kind of in a way to a world-renowned terrorist and my mother was an American and my father was from Africa and obviously I was named after Sadaam Hussein that my uncle Okeka Paduki from the town of Bashiki revered and worshiped on the sunny days that he walked to church and my mother was an American and my father was an African." Thing.

              So, YEAH!

              And his name means, "Hoicka machu pichu sayanora micka duka i hadsexwit ha" in Clintonese - you know...that very important tiny little island off the coast of the oval office.

              Whatever.

              • 4 votes
              #16.14 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:29 PM EST
              TDR

              Crack Mom,

              What are you smoking? Oh, Crack. Sorry!

              • 1 vote
              #16.15 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:55 PM EST
              dwillie

              Ahh, "thinking aloud" can't produce the evidence for his assertion:

              weren't these the same economists who were trumpeting the same practices that lead to the recession? Of course they were.

              So, when challenged for evidence, "thinking aloud" wants someone else to present his evidence.

              They're your references go ahead look into them a little.

              My reference was one article that I linked that "thinking aloud" apparently did not bother reading.

              Congratulations on pulling your trifecta "thinking aloud". You're factually incorrect, intellectually lazy and willfully ignorant. Thinking silently won't be so embarrassing for you. You might try it sometime.

              • 5 votes
              #16.16 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:29 AM EST
              A Sergeant's Mom

              TDR - shame on you.

              It would take a crack user to make a statement about crack. It's on your mind.

              • 5 votes
              #16.17 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:54 AM EST
              thinking aloud

              dwillie,

              I did in fact read your article. I did in fact do a little research and still challenge you to do the same. Come back to me when your feeling less petty.

                #16.18 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:53 PM EST
                TDR

                Crack Mom,

                How I luv crack. :)))

                --Cheers

                • 2 votes
                #16.19 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:09 PM EST
                dwillie

                You offer no specifics "thinking", thus you offer nothing worth coming back to.

                • 3 votes
                #16.20 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:15 PM EST
                Reply
                Kajun65

                This appears to be campaign type political posturing. It might work out, but could also prove to be fatal.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#17 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:32 PM EST
                TL-770512

                I am not all that interested in the article... what caught my eye and what I want to know is:

                What the hell is on Joe Biden's forehead in that photo???

                  Reply#18 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:41 PM EST
                  NHFishercat

                  Ash Wednesday.

                  • 1 vote
                  #18.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:52 PM EST
                  TL-770512

                  ty... I forgot about that.

                    #18.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:46 PM EST
                    truth.4 onceDeleted
                    David-1059922

                    and why is it mysteriously lacking on that light skinned fellow with no noticeable Negro accent -- you'all didnt mind when Harry Reid called him that -- so don't even

                      #18.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:01 PM EST
                      SuperSaiyan

                      and why is it mysteriously lacking on that light skinned fellow with no noticeable Negro accent -- you'all didnt mind when Harry Reid called him that -- so don't even

                      Yeah, never mind that it didn't seem to bother too many people, David...

                      Even given the low bar set by America’s bogus conversations about race, the short-lived Harry Reid fracas was a most peculiar nonevent. For all the hyperventilation in cable news land, this supposed racial brawl didn’t seem to generate any controversy whatsoever in what is known as the real world.

                      Eugene Robinson, the liberal black columnist at The Washington Post, wrote that he was “neither shocked nor outraged” at Reid’s less-than-articulate observation that Barack Obama benefited politically from being “light-skinned” and for lacking a “Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one.” Besides, Robinson said, Reid’s point was “surely true.” The black conservative Ward Connerly agreed, writing in The Wall Street Journal that he was “having a difficult time determining what it was that Mr. Reid said that was so offensive.”

                      President Obama immediately granted Reid absolution. A black columnist at The Daily News in New York, Stanley Crouch, even stood up for the archaic usage of “Negro.” George Will defended Reid from charges of racism as vociferously as Democrats did. Al Sharpton may have accepted Reid’s apology, but for once there’s no evidence that he ever cared enough to ask for one. So who, actually, was the aggrieved party here? What — or who — was really behind this manufactured race war with no victims?

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/opinion/17rich.html

                      And besides, who really cares if Pres. Obama has one on his head for Ash Wednesday or not? Last I heard, being religious isn't a qualification for being President.

                      • 2 votes
                      #18.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:08 PM EST
                      Reply
                      aaronski

                      GOOD JOB OBAMA!,... No really, way to prove you're just as good at lying to the american people just like the last president.

                      So, you fixed the economy, so why is it that I still can find work after searching, networking and submitting my resumes to just about every damn company I can find that is and isn't hiring. So, the american dream can survive on my wife's almost minimum wage job and my two kids wonder why daddy can't get a job.

                      Go, screw yourself, you may have set a new mark in the history books for being the first black president, but your worthiness as a nation's leader is about as strong a mud.

                      • 9 votes
                      Reply#19 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:46 PM EST
                      vol fan in chatt, tn

                      I hear ya!

                      • 4 votes
                      #19.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:50 PM EST
                      OBAMA-FAN

                      aaron,

                      Let me say something and I hope the rest of you hear/read this as well! I've have seen so many time on the Vine that people say "Government doesn't create jobs!" That's true and false! The gov can create jobs, but that would be growing government. The gov canmake conditions for businesses in the private sector conducive to adding additional staffing, but it is ultimately the private sector that decides when they will begin hiring!! Saying something as inaccurate and juvenile as "So you fixed the economy" makes not sense, because nor anyone else ever said that! Would this economy have been worse if the Stim was never passed? Absolutely! Would we have higher unemployment if the Stim had not been passed? ABSOLUTELY! So instead of blaming the president for you inability to find a job, maybe you should get a minimum wage paying job like your wife has until the private sector decides to star hiring again!

                      you may have set a new mark in the history books for being the first black president, but your worthiness as a nation's leader is about as strong a mud.

                      At least he has a job! now who's worthless?

                      • 6 votes
                      #19.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:03 PM EST
                      aaronski

                      OBAMA-FAN,

                      I like your comment, because it shows just how much you don't know. You have no clue, what I've done for our country, what type of situation my family is in or the kinds of sacrifices my family makes everyday just to survive. Yeah, I have tried to find a minimum wage job, but here's where you fail to realize... And yes, worthless is appropriate for whom I was referring.

                      • 2 votes
                      #19.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:14 PM EST
                      OBAMA-FAN

                      arron,

                      I've been searching for over a year, and yes there have been opportunities, but I'm not going to sell cars, sell insurance or become a nurse.

                      that's a quote from your comment #24.1!!! Seems like your family is making sacrifices, but you are just being a bum! Don't give me the Veteransob story either! A real man would so what he could to provide for his family, not what he wanted to do! I've had jobs I hated to provide for my family, but you do it because that's your responsibility as a man! You do it so your kids don't have to ask why you don't have a job! so when I see you turn your nose up at selling cars or insurance or being a nurse it makes you look like less than a man! IMO!

                      And yes, worthless is appropriate for whom I was referring.

                      try looking in the mirror!

                      • 5 votes
                      #19.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:24 PM EST
                      truth.4 onceDeleted
                      David-1059922

                      The Government doesn't create jobs, No Boulder City in NV and Hoover Dam( The only reason Boulder City exists) -- where are the public works jobs? Where are we take the unemployed Americans and use them to make our country great speeches? Where are the lines to sign up if you want to work the Government will finance you rather than giving you a handout ?

                      Dont worry I have a feeling unemployment is going to really drop as more and more people completely fall off the rolls, spurring see I told you its getting better speeches

                      Stock up on ammo and exercise your fourth amendment rights while you still can

                      • 3 votes
                      #19.6 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:09 PM EST
                      Reply
                      Hope Forpeace

                      "This is a "saved" economy? I'd suppose Obama would throw a boat anchor to a drowning man and say he "saved" him too."

                      Better than causing the catastrophe, blaming the next guy, lying about the whole thing and trying to re-establish the same corporate loving policies that CAUSED the crisis.

                      Bush broke, but Repbus are happy to continue to embrace a policy of 0 Financial Regulation, even those who served on a Congressional Committee which found Regulations to be imperitive.

                      You don't hear that on "Mocks News" Fix the Ballot".

                      Any idiot can read a calendar. Unless they're Conservative.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#20 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:49 PM EST
                      Chuck101

                      Obama reminds me of the Mayor on the Simpson's. This guy waffles on every unpopular stance he takes. I am surprised Obama did not take credit for the drop in unemployment from 10% to 9.7%

                      He needs to man up and admits he does not know what the hell he is doing, he just goes and says whatever his handlers tell him to.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#21 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:50 PM EST
                      David-1059922

                      He did take credit for that

                        #21.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:27 PM EST
                        Reply
                        gonen6t

                        Is today Ash Wednesday ?

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#22 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:50 PM EST
                        Dennis270

                        Yep

                          #22.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:16 PM EST
                          Reply
                          GG-537707

                          "It doesn't yet feel like much of a recovery." ... because there isn't one.

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#23 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:52 PM EST
                          WhyIt

                          Anyone in need of a job can find one now. Trust me, I know many people who were unemployed and just kept at it and now are holding steady well-paying jobs again. The trick is that you have to get off your butt and stop expecting the government to solve all your problems. Simply voting GOPers in there again will not make jobs fall into your laps.

                          • 5 votes
                          #24 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:57 PM EST
                          aaronski

                          Really? maybe if you live in a metropolis. It's easy for people with jobs to say it's easy to find jobs. I've been searching for over a year, and yes there have been opportunities, but I'm not going to sell cars, sell insurance or become a nurse.

                          Maybe this was one of those things you read about in one of kevin trudeau's books.

                          • 1 vote
                          #24.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:05 PM EST
                          OBAMA-FAN

                          I know people that have found jobs while working!!! These people won't get off their A$$es as long as they have Obama to blame for not working!

                          Well said Whyit!

                          • 5 votes
                          #24.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:11 PM EST
                          OBAMA-FAN

                          but I'm not going to sell cars, sell insurance or become a nurse.

                          ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

                          the american dream can survive on my wife's almost minimum wage job and my two kids wonder why daddy can't get a job.

                          Why don't you get off the computer and go tell your kids that you are F-O-S, and rather stay home, complain about the president, and let your wife bust her hump for minimum wage because you don't want to sell cars, insurance or be a nurse! PATHETIC!!

                          • 7 votes
                          #24.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:18 PM EST
                          Theresa-1389179

                          No, but I hold Obama for the false promises, the lying and the fact the man has spend more in a year than Bush did in eight.AND Bush 9/11, two wars and a DEMOCRATIC congress.Starting in 2007 check out how the economy drop once those jerks in the house started the BS.Oh and by the way, Bush TREID to reel in the Fannie and Freddie mess BUT oh no, the dems (Barney F...... Frank ) said everything is great.Just connect the dots.

                          • 1 vote
                          #24.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST
                          aaronski

                          You'd think i was pathetic. But, honestly you sound like someone that spends more time on the computer than me. Here's an idea, how about stop trying to create an image of who I am in your head based on what you read, because quite literally, you suck at it. You have no idea who I am and what I've done for this country, oh and by the way I sold cars at one point in my life, my wife would rather dig ourselves further in debt than to work in that kind of atmosphere again.... So, know who you are dealing with before you pass judgement on what you think you might know.

                            #24.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:30 PM EST
                            OBAMA-FAN

                            Theresa,

                            Bush didn't have a democratic congress until Nov/2006!! The reasons for the economy collapse were in place long before the dems took control of congress!

                            Please make an attempt to make sense!!!

                            Bush TREID to reel in the Fannie and Freddie mess BUT oh no, the dems (Barney F...... Frank )

                            This is a lie also! Not only is it a lie, but even if Frank said everything was "great" how could one persons words stop the regulation of 2 huge financial intuitions? Give me a break!!! Wait, i'll show you the facts!

                            It's true that key Democrats opposed the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, which would have established a single, independent regulatory body with jurisdiction over Fannie and Freddie – a move that the Government Accountability Office had recommended in a 2004 report. Current House Banking Committee chairman Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts opposed legislation to reorganize oversightin 2000 (when Clinton was still president), 2003 and 2004, saying of the 2000 legislation that concern about Fannie and Freddie was "overblown." Just last summer, Senate Banking Committee chairman Chris Dodd called a Bush proposal for an independent agency to regulate the two entities "ill-advised."

                            But saying that Democrats killed the 2005 bill "while Mr. Obama was notably silent" oversimplifies things considerably. The bill made it out of committee in the Senate but was never brought up for consideration. At that time, Republicans had a majority in the Senate and controlled the agenda. Democrats never got the chance to vote against it or to mount a filibuster to block it.

                            • 4 votes
                            #24.6 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST
                            OBAMA-FAN

                            aaron,

                            I'm on the computer, but I'm at work!! Before I get further into the personal thing, I'll just say Have a great day!

                            • 3 votes
                            #24.7 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:40 PM EST
                            aaronski

                            OBAMA-Fan,

                            You have a great day as well.

                            Oh, by the way, I like OBAMA. I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and felt like flying off the handle at articles, much better than doing that towards the kids. And watching your comments fly in as quick as I was typing more bull, well put the smile on my face that I needed. Thanks.

                            • 1 vote
                            #24.8 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:57 PM EST
                            Dennis270

                            and yes there have been opportunities, but I'm not going to sell cars, sell insurance or become a nurse.

                            So you've had opportunities to be employed, have chosen to pass on them, and yet still complain about not being able to find a job?

                            Anybody else get flashbacks of Randy Quaid in the "Vacation" movies, still holding out for a management position?

                            • 5 votes
                            #24.9 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:22 PM EST
                            WhyIt

                            The economic collapse is because of Newt Gingrinch's Contract with America, people. That worked out so well. Clinton was a fool for going along with it, though.

                            So even though the GOP had congress for 12 years running, the crisis is because of one Democrat? Give me a break! I don't think the Democrats are wonderful, but the GOP is pathetic if they think they have any cred when it comes to the economy. Their credibility there ended with Bush "no new taxes" the First!

                            And Obama has spent more in one year than Bush did in eight? That is simply not based in reality ... Obama has been given a year-to-year budget that was crafted over eight years of ridiculous GOP managment ... it's built up momentum, with laws that have to be repealed (such as Medicare part D) if you want the budget to be reigned in to pre-Bush levels again.

                            • 3 votes
                            #24.10 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:53 PM EST
                            thinking aloud

                            And Whylt Democrats have control congress the majority of the time since the end of World War 2. But from brief(thankfully) experience with senators I find the majority are scumbags no matter what the party and am continually shocked that they keep getting elected.

                              #24.11 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:02 PM EST
                              WhyIt

                              And the majority of the time since World War 2 our country has thrived ... I don't think Democrats are perfect, but congressional Republicans need to admit that their philosophies espoused and enacted in the 90s are an abject failure for the results they produced in the 00s ... it was a hollow bubble that decimated our industry.

                              • 4 votes
                              #24.12 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:05 PM EST
                              thinking aloud

                              And the tech bubble that was created in the late 80s and burst in the 90s or the Recession right before Reagan took office. I could go on listing things the Democrats have done wrong, I could go on listing things the Republicans have done wrong. I could write an entire book on how Dodd screwed up the country. Like I said both parties are to blame and both parties should be voted out of office.

                                #24.13 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:09 PM EST
                                WhyIt

                                I have found that the people who are saying "vote both parties out" will turn around support the Republican party.

                                But yes, Democrats have had Congress for most of the last century, and for most of that century we did well. I cannot think of one cycle that the GOP had congress that saw our country do better. The last decent Republican if you ask me was Eisenhower.

                                • 5 votes
                                #24.14 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:14 PM EST
                                thinking aloud

                                Reagan ended the recession and pushed the Soviets beyond their spending limit, Bush the one set up everything that Clinton got to capitalize on(him and his GOP congress), and of course your definition of well will not match mine.

                                Under Carter Iran stormed an American embassy and pressured the military to make a poorly planned and rushed assault that ultimately got 8 people killed. I could list other flaws of just Carter or just stop here. So I'll stop.

                                As for the Republican Party I like them no more than I do the Democrats. I hate them both.

                                  #24.15 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:25 PM EST
                                  WhyIt

                                  Ronald Reagan was an actor.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #24.16 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:52 PM EST
                                  thinking aloud

                                  So was John Wayne yet he set an entire standard by which a generation of men judged themselves, or at least should have.

                                    #24.17 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:06 PM EST
                                    judi fermanich

                                    I have friends who have put out hundreds of resumes and have nothing to show for it except an expenditure for time and paper. Or sore fingers. These are also qualified people and they are not finding work. Hundreds of applicants for any decent job. That is not a clear economy stimulous.

                                      #24.18 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:32 AM EST
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                                      TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
                                      Sharpear

                                      Could someone please point me to any economic indicators that prove the stimulus has been a failure? Not Op/Ed articles but solid economic indicators please. It seems all the ones being tracked that I can find are positive. DJ up over 4k in a year, GDP growing at 5.7%, job losses that were 720k per month a year ago are under 100k now. Please help me understand what you are talking about. No prophecies please. Plain and simple numbers will do.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      Reply#26 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:05 PM EST
                                      TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
                                      WhyIt

                                      If Obama ended outsourcing by executive order, that would truly make him a socialist you know ... that is a concept called national capitalism, which is what is used by Japan, Germany, France, and even more so by China and Russia.

                                      What needs to be done is a gradual shift towards encouraging more jobs here without artificially limiting the rights of private companies to hire workers overseas.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #26.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:01 PM EST
                                      Sharpear

                                      Skeptic,

                                      Could you please cite some indicators that prove your arguement? I'd like to be shown how all positive indicators equals disasterous results please. Not your predictions of future results but results from the passage of the stimulus til now. Facts, not conjecture. Numbers not rhetoric please.

                                      How are jobs in the health care and education sector a bad thing by the way?

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #26.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:34 PM EST
                                      Beckyal

                                      Why, he could end some outsourcing by not sending American resources overseas in appropriations bills and his FY 2011 Budget

                                        #26.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:31 PM EST
                                        David-1059922

                                        Sharpear
                                        I counter with how many jobs have been created or saved by the stimulus, I want the real answer as they used my money to finance it.

                                        PS your supposed to put your thingy in a
                                        goats butt not your head

                                        Go ON KEEP BELIEVING EVERYTHING YOU READ

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #26.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:33 PM EST
                                        Sharpear

                                        David,

                                        I'm sure that a near 12% swing in GDP means nothing, a 67% increase in the Dow mean nothing and that net difference of 600k jobs NOT being lost anymore mean nothing. What are you reading that makes you believe this? You dont believe everything you read do you?

                                        P.S.

                                        I'll refrain form the personal attacks since it is usually indicitive of someone who has no valid arguement.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #26.6 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:18 AM EST
                                        Sharpear

                                        Correction: 600k jobs per month not being lost

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #26.7 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:28 AM EST
                                        A Sergeant's Mom

                                        lol.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #26.8 - Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:05 PM EST
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                                        Bubba-939441

                                        Well, at least some jobs were created. I hear they are manufacturing windmills in China.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#27 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST
                                        steven-791492

                                        Ohio is deeply involved in the wind energy manufacturing.....I have seem any trucks hauling the giant blades around, something to see going down the road.

                                        http://www.greenenergyohio.org/page.cfm?pageId=103

                                        http://energy.sourceguides.com/businesses/byGeo/US/byS/OH/byP/wRP/byB/mfg/mfg.shtml

                                        some links to said industry.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #27.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:20 PM EST
                                        dcstone01

                                        There is a big wind farm going up near us and each 'section' of one blade took 3 separate train trailers to haul...one train could only take the pieces of one 'wind turbine' at a time...amazing how big it is...270 feet tall when complete.

                                        It will take 11 ship loads to bring in all the parts for this farm...What I find horrendous is that these 'parts' were made in South Korea and Germany...not in the US...

                                        • 6 votes
                                        #27.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:38 PM EST
                                        Bubba-939441

                                        "that these 'parts' were made in South Korea and Germany...not in the US..."

                                        Yes and also manufactured in China for windfarms in Texas. We need the jobs here. We borrow money from China and then give them stimulus jobs.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #27.3 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:52 PM EST
                                        steven-791492

                                        Ohio is manufacturing wind mill parts.....wind mills...local community collage has a course in repair and installation of wind mills.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #27.4 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:56 PM EST
                                        David-1059922

                                        President Obama toured the solar panal array that powers Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, he seemed really impressed, but the idea of turning the area into a place of cheap green energy never really seemed to sink in with him. Im surprised even Kenya has a desert I hear so I thought it would be close to home for him.

                                        Instead he told people not once but twice to AVOID LAS VEGAS at all costs .

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #27.5 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:39 PM EST
                                        Sharpear

                                        David,

                                        I don't believe that quote to be exactly accurate but feel free to correct me. God forbid people be encouraged to save their money rather than gamble with it during these times. It's not like gambling on mortgage derivitives on Wall Street had anything to do with our current situation.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #27.6 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:36 AM EST
                                        David-1059922

                                        The people being irresponsible with their money is not what caused it, its the Government letting the banks letting your money ride for years and finally come up snake eyes

                                          #27.7 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:29 AM EST
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                                          Elvis-362920

                                          So the stock market went up a little and new housing starts are up. Does Prescient Obama base the so called success of the stimulus bill because of that?

                                          Obama reminds me of Alfred E. Newman from MAD Magazine. "What me worry?" Years from now while Obama is enjoying a fat pension, free health care (only the very best) and millions on book deals all the intellectually defunct people will be dying to read, Americans will be paying off that debt of his grandiose stimulus bill. Yes, Obama can say "What me worry?"

                                            Reply#28 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:15 PM EST
                                            Sharpear

                                            In what world is an increase from 6k to 10k in the DJ "up a little"? Of course everyone knows housing starts being up mean nothing at all. Not like we had a mortgage crisis or anything.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #28.1 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:38 PM EST
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                                            steven-791492

                                            The bill was far from perfect but anybody with half a mind that watches any mainstream news has seen congressmen from the REPUBLICAN Party and Democratic Party, holding news conferences and ribbon cuttings, telling us over and over jobs saved and added.....I would hate to see the hole we would have been in with out it.

                                            • 5 votes
                                            Reply#29 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST
                                            truth.4 onceDeleted
                                            steven-791492

                                            what?

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #29.2 - Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:24 PM EST
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                                            TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
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