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Whale that killed trainer involved in other deaths

Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:34 PM EST
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Mike Schneider, Associated Press
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<p>FILE - In this Friday, May 13, 2005 file photo provided by SeaWorld, actress Evangeline Lilly, from the ABC television show "Lost", plays with Shamu, at SeaWorld Orlando, in Orlando, Fla. An employee at SeaWorld Orlando has died after being attacked by a killer whale Wednesday, Feb. 24, 2010.(AP Photo/Seaworld Orlando, Chris Gotshall, File)</p>

FILE - In this Friday, May 13, 2005 file photo provided by SeaWorld, actress Evangeline Lilly, from the ABC television show "Lost", plays with Shamu, at SeaWorld Orlando, in Orlando, Fla. An employee at SeaWorld Orlando has died after being attacked by a killer whale Wednesday, Feb. 24, 2010.(AP Photo/Seaworld Orlando, Chris Gotshall, File)

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ORLANDO — A SeaWorld spokesman says a killer whale that attacked and killed a trainer in Orlando is the same one involved in two other deaths, including a Canada trainer's.

SeaWorld spokesman Fred Jacobs says the whale that killed 40-year-old trainer Dawn Brancheau in front of a horrified audience Wednesday is Tilikum.

Tilikum was one of three whales blamed for killing a trainer in 1991 at Sealand of the Pacific in Victoria, British Columbia.

A man's body was also found draped over Tilikum at Orlando SeaWorld in July 1999.

Daniel Dukes reportedly made his way past security at SeaWorld and either jumped, fell or was pulled into the frigid water of Tilikum's huge tank.

An autopsy ruled that he died of hypothermia, but authorities said it appeared Tilikum bit the man and tore off his swimming trunks.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A killer whale attacked and killed a trainer in front of a horrified audience Wednesday at a SeaWorld show, with at least one witness saying the animal leaped from the water, dragged her under and thrashed her around violently.

Distraught audience members were hustled out of the stadium, and the park was immediately closed.

The 40-year-old veteran trainer was one of the park's most experienced. It was not clear exactly how she died.

An audience member said a show was just starting when the whale "took off really fast in the tank, and then he came back, shot up in the air, grabbed the trainer by the waist and started thrashing around, and one of her shoes flew off," Victoria Biniak told WKMG-TV.

But Jim Solomons of the Orlando County Sheriff's Office, said the trainer slipped or fell into the whale's tank, which seemed to contradict Biniak's description.

Authorities provided few immediate details, but two witnesses told the Orlando Sentinel that one of the park's whales grabbed the woman by the upper arm and tossed her around in its mouth while swimming rapidly around the tank.

Brazilian tourist Joao Lucio DeCosta Sobrinho and his girlfriend were at an underwater viewing area when they suddenly saw a whale with someone in its mouth.

The couple said they watched the whale show at the park two days earlier and came back to take pictures. But on Wednesday the whales appeared agitated before the incident occurred.

"It was terrible. It's very difficult to see the image," Sobrinho said.

The trainer was identified as Dawn Brancheau, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he had not been cleared to officially release her name.

According to a profile of Brancheau in the Orlando Sentinel in 2006, she was one of SeaWorld Orlando's leading trainers. It was apparently a trip to SeaWorld at 9 years old that made her want to pursue this career.

"I remember walking down the aisle (of Shamu Stadium) and telling my mom, 'This is what I want to do,'" she said in the article.

Brancheau worked her way into a leadership role at Shamu Stadium during her 12-year career with SeaWorld, starting at the Sea Lion & Otter Stadium before spending the past 10 years working with killer whales, the newspaper said.

She also addressed the dangers of the job.

"You can't put yourself in the water unless you trust them and they trust you," Brancheau said.

Steve McCulloch, founder and program manager at the Marine Mammal Research and Conservation Program at Harbor Branch/Florida Atlantic University, said the whale may have been playing, but it is too early to tell.

"It could be play behavior. I wouldn't jump to conclusions," he said. "These are very large powerful marine mammals. They exhibit this type of behavior in the wild."

"Nobody cares more about the animal than the trainer. It's just hard to fathom that this has happened."

Mike Wald, a spokesman for the Occupational Safety and Health Administration office in Atlanta, said his agency had dispatched an investigator from Tampa.

Wednesday's death was not the first attack on whale trainers at SeaWorld parks.

In November 2006, a trainer was bitten and held underwater several times by a killer whale during a show at SeaWorld's San Diego park.

The trainer, Kenneth Peters, escaped with a broken foot. The 17-foot orca that attacked him was the dominant female of SeaWorld San Diego's seven killer whales. She had attacked Peters two other times, in 1993 and 1999.

In 2004, another whale at the company's San Antonio park tried to hit one of the trainers and attempted to bite him. He also escaped.

In December, a whale drowned a trainer at a Spanish zoo.

At the Orlando SeaWorld, the body of a naked man was found draped over a 5-ton orca named Tilikum in July 1999. He was scratched and bruised.

Daniel Dukes reportedly made his way past security at SeaWorld and remained in the park after it had closed. Wearing only his underwear, Dukes either jumped, fell or was pulled into the frigid water of Tilikum's huge tank.

An autopsy ruled that he died of hypothermia in the 50-degree water. But they also said it appeared Tilikum bit the man and tore off his swimming trunks, likely believing he was a toy to play with.

Dukes' parents filed a lawsuit against the park later that year but ended up withdrawing it.

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GoldenGateMami_Susi

We just saw live video here.

The whale is segregated now. It's dorsal fin is bent over as if it knows it did something bad.

Tragic tragic tragic.

I can't imagine the horror.

Why human beings feel the need to trap, train and be entertained by animals and then call foul when they act like the animals they are.........is beyond me.

And we're supposedly the smarter species?

  • 41 votes
#1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:30 PM EST
There They Go Again

Yeah, that can be pretty unpleasant. What a lot of people just don't realize is that, whenever humans interact with other predators, those predators can be dangerous. All you have to do is forget that for one second and you can be dead. That's why they discourage feeding the bears at Yellowstone. Can't blame the whale for acting like a killer whale though.

  • 13 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:47 PM EST
MoCowgirl-1193719

Why human beings feel the need to trap, train and be entertained by animals and then call foul when they act like the animals they are.........is beyond me.

I agree.

I am an animal lover and a horse owner --- I have had several reminders that we really aren't "friends" and any control that I may think I have is really only an illusion if things get "serious".

As for lions, tigers, bears, etc., I really think they are best left alone. I really don't enjoy the "circus" acts with any captive predator because I realize that I could be moments away from witnessing the horror that these people did.

  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:51 PM EST
marcowhm

Apparently this same orca also killed a trainer in 1991, so this is the third incident now. Seems to me like this should be strike three... not for the animal but for people being stupid and trying to keep a wild animal in captivity.

  • 17 votes
#1.3 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:58 PM EST
ERich-356044

Susi, I couldn't have said it better myself.

They are wild, intelligent and not only do they mate for life, they stay with their families for life too... I love the pattern that orcas have. When the calf is born, the mom goes to the surface and takes a breath, the baby follows... they do that pattern their whole lives... amazing. I would be pretty pissed off if I was torn from my family and put into a cage where I had to do tricks the rest of my life...

And question... I heard their fin curves from lack of exercise... it happens to whales in captivity... is this true?

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:05 PM EST
bitemore

#1: And we're supposedly the smarter species?

Who says?

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:16 PM EST
GoldenGateMami_Susi

Bitemore

I'm sure you know I asked that question sarcastically.

Doesn't it say somewhere that humans shall hold dominion over all the creatures?

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:23 PM EST
bitemore

#1.6: Doesn't it say somewhere that humans shall hold dominion over all the creatures?

Dominion, yes, but dominion doesn't necessarily take smarts... just muscle...

And, yes, I knew you were being sarcastic. So was I. Somehow, I don't think humans are as smart as some of us seem to think we are... a little humility might make us smarter in fact.

:-)

  • 9 votes
#1.7 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:25 PM EST
GoldenGateMami_Susi

ERich

Did you ever see the movie "Free Willy" when Willy had his dorsal fin bent over.....from being 'depressed', in a tank way too small for it, etc.

These animals are trained to interact with their humans and they develop bonds. I wouldn't be surprised like I said if the whale realizes it has done something terrible and is sensing it.

These are incredibly smart animals. I love their patterns, too and their pods and their sense of family and community.

Puts us to shame.

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:28 PM EST
ERich-356044

It sure does put us to shame!

When I think of how amazing they are.... they should all be set free....

My condolences to the family of the trainer. I do feel bad for them. Maybe the good will be that they will be released to the wild and live like they should live.... in the wild blue sea!!!!

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:34 PM EST
tyler

In Nov. 2006, trainer Kenneth Peters, 39, was bitten and held underwater several times by a 7,000-pound killer whale during a show at SeaWorld's San Diego park. He escaped with a broken foot. The 17-foot-long orca who attacked him was the dominant female of SeaWorld San Diego's seven killer whales. She had attacked Peters two other times, in 1993 and 1999.

I do not understand the mindset of this person.

  • 8 votes
#1.10 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:44 PM EST
Stacey-714311

This is what I found from the Seaworld website about dorsal fins:

Scientists are not sure why the dorsal fins of some killer whales flop over and the dorsal fins of other do not.The dorsal fins of killer whales are supported only by connective tissue and not bone. In a study of killer whales in New Zealand waters, 23% of the wild males had dorsal fins that bent over. Newborn killer whales all have floppy dorsal fins that stiffen a few days after birth.

Scientists have a couple of theories as to why the dorsal fins of some killer whales flop over. One theory is that the surrounding water helps support the dorsal fin. A killer whale that spends more time at the surface, with its fin protruding out of the water, has a greater tendency for its fin to bend. Additionally, collagen becomes more flexible when warmed, such as if it is exposed to sunlight. Another theory supports a genetic tendency for a dorsal fin to bend. These two factors may work in combination or there may be other factors involved. The dorsal fin of an adult male killer whale can grow to six feet tall, which may be why their fins have a greater tendency to bend. Neither the shape nor the droop of a whale's dorsal fin are indicators of a killer whale's health or well-being. (my emphasis)

http://www.seaworld.org/ask-shamu/faq.htm

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:45 PM EST
believer-369603

I have had several reminders that we really aren't "friends" and any control that I may think I have is really only an illusion if things get "serious".

Yes. The old man who did the shoeing for my horse told me "It's easy to work with horses if you can learn to think like one, as long as you don't forget that the horse will never learn to think like a human and it outweighs you by a thousand pounds."

Something to keep in mind whenever you're dealing with any animals.

  • 11 votes
#1.12 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:49 PM EST
Julian in Dallas

I'm not surprised at all. What's sad is that this won't teach the people who make big money off of making wild animals do tricks a damn thing. They will simply replace the animal with another, send flowers to the family of the trainer and the show will go on. This also won't deter the masses of suckers who pay their money to bring their kids to shows like this. I'm sure that the whale thought it was feeding time, or that the show had begun already and it was time to perform. I really wish zoos and circuses like this were outlawed. If people want to see animals in their natural environs then they need to take safaris or go on a deep sea expedition. If nothing else, turn on the Discovery channel.

Wild animals did not evolve for the purpose of amusing humans. These whales are not called Killer Whales just for dramatic effect, they actually can kill you. The bent over dorsal fin indicates that the animal is either sick, or under some emotional stress. People don't realize what kind of stress these animals are put under by trainers to make them do all those cutesy little tricks for the crowds. They are not supposed to be living in tanks at Sea World, but in the Oceans, free to roam.

  • 11 votes
#1.13 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:52 PM EST
silver163Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

just f*cking kill that f*cking whale

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:13 PM EST
killer bees

How old are you Silver? 13?

  • 10 votes
#1.15 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:45 PM EST
Auteur 1536

If the animal was involved in other deaths, why was it authorized to perform?

It's dorsal fin is bent over as if it knows it did something bad.

It's nothing to do with emotions, it's just how the fin is. Some orcas have straight fins, some have bent or curled fins. It's a natural occurence in both nature and captivity.

  • 2 votes
#1.16 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:44 PM EST
silver163Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

How old are you Silver? 13?

how old are you to use personal attacks. your immature behavior was reported.

    #1.17 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:48 PM EST
    Auteur 1536

    just f*cking kill that f*cking whale

    The whale did nothing wrong, the humans are the ones at fault.

    • 6 votes
    #1.18 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:09 PM EST
    silver163

    The whale did nothing wrong, the humans are the ones at fault.

    no no it didn't the trainer just committed suicide

      #1.19 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:34 PM EST
      mike lonkouski

      Hence the name "Killer Whales".

      • 5 votes
      #1.20 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:01 PM EST
      Auteur 1536

      Hence the name "Killer Whales".

      If you did your research you'd know that there are no documented attacks of orcas attacking people in the wild, all the attacks documented occured when the whales were in captivity. Probably no attacks in the wild because the orcas can swim away if they feel stressed or threatened whereas in captivity they can't.

      • 5 votes
      #1.21 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:21 PM EST
      Al 616

      If a dog attacked and killed an infant, the dog would be euthanized. I'm not sure what the difference is here.

      IMHO, the whale should simply be set free.

      • 1 vote
      #1.22 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:22 PM EST
      mike lonkouski

      If you did your research you'd know that there are no documented attacks of orcas attacking people in the wild,

      My research? I'm not interested in researching the history of whale attacks, or lack thereof. However, I don't like the idea of zoos, or animal shows, or any of that @!$%#.

      I don't begrudge the whale, but I'll tell you something...

      "I'll never put on a life-jacket again"

      • 3 votes
      #1.23 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:56 PM EST
      GoldenGateMami_Susi

      Im just shaking my head at the sheer stupidity and hubris of humanit to think we can train the wild out of wildlife. I absolutely feel awful at the loss and grief her family and friends and colleagues are feeling

      Thank you all for posting replies on my initial comment. With 1 glaring exception I agree with all of you. Thanks for clearing up the dorsal fin question!

      Silver as for you...oh Geez! forget it not even worth it. How can someone respond to the indefensible.

      • 7 votes
      #1.24 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:07 PM EST
      ERich-356044

      Susi, send your flying monkeys for silver...

      • 3 votes
      #1.25 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:43 PM EST
      GoldenGateMami_Susi

      With pleasure.

      Hear that? Here they come....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SESI19h4wDo

      Fly! Fly! Fly!

      • 5 votes
      #1.26 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:42 PM EST
      * The Dead Head *

      IMHO, the whale should simply be set free.

      Whales and dolphins, need millions of gallons of ocean..........not a kiddie pool.....if they have a trainable brain, then they can have emotions.....good or bad..........

      I say No more greyhound dog tracks, no more horse racing (breeding fragile boned horses and then injecting them with lasix to thin their blood to make them faster), Bull Fighting, even the rodeo is animal abuse for human entertainment.................

      Make it Man against man again, to the death, gladiator style.....then we have no one to blame but ourselves.......Cage fighting, like on Mad Max........One man enter, one man leave..........and use convicted felons on death row to start with, and we can watch it on pay per view, and donate the money to the victims families..........

      • 9 votes
      #1.27 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:36 AM EST
      killer bees

      Silver163 (1.17) how old are you to use personal attacks. your immature behavior was reported.

      Well, I received 8 votes for my initial comment to you and my comment was not collapsed by the community.

      However, your initial comment was collapsed by the community. In addition, you have received no votes for any of your comments thus far, after your comment 1.14. This should tell you something.

      So, please. Be my guest. Go ahead and report me, so NV can see how childish, inappropriate and ugly you were.

      • 4 votes
      #1.28 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:33 AM EST
      marcowhm

      If a dog attacked and killed an infant, the dog would be euthanized. I'm not sure what the difference is here.

      There is a huge difference. A dog, as you well know, is a domesticated animal, while the orca is a wild animal.

      • 3 votes
      #1.29 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:41 AM EST
      kjpxxx

      ...His Dorsal fin is bent over because he is SICK...and not meant to live in a box of water, why must we capture wild animals for our pleasure and then become surprised when they say," no! I do not want to do this". They become crazy trapped in small tanks...they are meant to roam the Sea....take a human and put him in a box and see how well he preforms for his dinner....before or after, he "bites the hand that feeds him"......

      • 4 votes
      #1.30 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:37 AM EST
      deccles02

      Boycott Seaworld!!

      They have no right, and neither do we, to trap and keep these beautiful creatures for our own personal entertainment.

      http://deccles02.newsvine.com/_news/2010/02/25/3949833-excerpt-from-a-forthcoming-book-related-to-the-drowning-at-sea-world

      • 1 vote
      #1.31 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:06 PM EST
      1standlastword

      "It could be play behavior. I wouldn't jump to conclusions," he said. "These are very large powerful marine mammals. They exhibit this type of behavior in the wild."

      My deepest sympathy to the family of this woman who loved these beautiful animals.

      That said, I can only wonder in horror--since I love my freedom--what it's like to be the worlds most efficient killer to end up confined to a tank (of any size) dependent on human handlers to feed me when I was born to eat any damn thing I could swallow and simply existing to perform silly human tricks for the span of my life.

      I'm reminded of Planet of the Apes when the tables turned and humans where the spectacle!

      The whole thing is too sad for both human and animal, but clearly not fault on the animal

      • 3 votes
      #1.32 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:38 PM EST
      kaviaq

      I say No more greyhound dog tracks, no more horse racing (breeding fragile boned horses and then injecting them with lasix to thin their blood to make them faster), Bull Fighting, even the rodeo is animal abuse for human entertainment.................

      *Loud Applause*

      • 4 votes
      #1.33 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:46 PM EST
      Bajee

      I wouldn't be surprised if the whale didn't even mean to hurt the trainer. A killer whale playing with a person is the equivelant of a human child playing with a hamster, and we all know how that usually ends.

      • 1 vote
      #1.34 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:13 AM EST
      Checkmate-983933

      Or a human playing with a dog. Sometimes playing gets to rough or an accident can happen that the animal doesn't register as an accident. Like getting bit by a dog while playing; the bite doesn't automatically mean the dog is pissed off, but that it is playing.

      • 2 votes
      #1.35 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:27 AM EST
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      Bubba-939441

      Leave the animals in the wild. We can enjoy them in THEIR habitat. I agree we shouldn't keep them in captivity for our amusement.

      • 14 votes
      Reply#2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:56 PM EST
      jupiter2

      Amen, Bubba- and wow a topic we agree on :o)

      • 5 votes
      #2.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:39 PM EST
      JayB

      You are so right Bubba....but that will probably never happen.

      What a sad and frightening occurance!

      • 1 vote
      #2.2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:28 PM EST
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      Dave Ogden

      Many Native Americans believe it is actually disrespectful to treat a wild predator like it's your buddy. This was my issue with Treadwell who lived for a while amongst the grizzlies, that is until he pissed off an older grump badly enough to eat him.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:59 PM EST
      killer bees

      ... to eat Treadwell and his woman friend.

      • 2 votes
      #3.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:51 PM EST
      GG-537707

      Treadwell understood the risk.

      • 2 votes
      #3.2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:03 PM EST
      believer-369603

      No he did not understand the risk. He deluded himself. He thought he was different.

      I've had many conversations with a mental health professional about Treadwell. He had some classic symptoms of clinically defined issues, that's for sure.

      • 6 votes
      #3.3 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:16 PM EST
      Spooky Boyfriend

      I thought Treadwell was doing okay with the grizzlies that were aclimatized to him. He was eaten by a grizzly from another area but I do not know this for sure.

      ...anyway, it is foolhardy to let your guard down around any ferocious animal, be it a fighting cock, a moose cow, a grizzlie, brown or polar bear, a snarling strange dog, an angry racoon or a killer whale. Hell, a mosquito can kill you.

      • 3 votes
      #3.4 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:36 PM EST
      believer-369603

      On the day he was killed, he taped himself admitting that he knew he was in an area where the bears traditionally hunted and gorged themselves in preparation for hibernation, an area where bears were not used to seeing humans.

      He also states, on the tape, that "if you tried this, you would be killed" By "you" he meant anybody that wasn't him. He thought he was above the laws of nature.

      So he set up camp in a spot where he knew the bears were eating everything they could find. He thought he was exempt.

      No matter how he started out, no matter what his intentions were originally, at the end he was delusional.

      It's a sad story, really.

      • 6 votes
      #3.5 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:47 PM EST
      Pat-#@!&!#@

      Treadwell was more a victim of hubris than grizzly bear.

      • 6 votes
      #3.6 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:03 PM EST
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      diversity

      The fact that the Orca Whale species is referred to as a "Killer Whale" may be some indication that we can't play with them like kittens.

      This is not the first or the last I'm sure. Although this doesn't happen everyday, I think Sea World should shut down the show before anyone else gets killed or seriously injured.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#4 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:01 PM EST
      2TailPuppy

      I think Sea World should shut down the show before anyone else gets killed or seriously injured.

      Why. The Romans use to do this all the time and it attracted big crowds I'm told.

      Could be the answer to the downturn in the advertising business.

      • 1 vote
      #4.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:22 PM EST
      GoldenGateMami_Susi

      Good.

      Then since humans have a penchant for fighting to the death and showing off in crowds......

      Let's bring back gladiator type spectacles.

      • 6 votes
      #4.2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:24 PM EST
      2TailPuppy

      > Let's bring back gladiator type spectacles.

      We do. It's called American Football. It just takes the gladiators a few years longer to die. First they get a brain disease from knocking their heads together and then they die slowly over the next decade. That's more entertainment for the spectators.

      Good thing too. Were not killing any animals which keeps PETA happy.

      • 3 votes
      #4.3 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:32 PM EST
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      newsblog903

      Oh you all above, I couldn't agree more. As wonderful as animals are they don't have the capacity to understand humans. Let's face it sometimes even as humans we don't understand our own complex behavior so why expect animals to?

      It is not natural for wild animals to act like they are at a tea party with the Queen even with all the training in the world. Trying to train wild animals to comprehend the niceties of civilization is just not going to happen!

      This is a very sad lesson for all of us including the whale.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#5 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:10 PM EST
      lovemyplanet-400560

      All I can say is they better not punish the killer whale. Those creatures are incredibly smart. I know I wouldn't want to be trapped, enslaved and expected to perform tricks in a little pool when my natural habitat is the wide open sea. I can't blame the whale (porpoise for the sticklers) any more than I blame the elephants when they go on a rampage. What we do to them is cruel and inhumane.

      We as a species think of the other members of the animal kingdom as lessor creatures and less intelligent. How condescending! We are not better or superior to them! In their natural habitat, their knowledge and intelligence far surpasses the average modern day human! They have abilities that we don't possess. There is a reason why the aboriginal peoples of every continent say that they learn from animals. They know and understand things that we don't. I think they understand us far better than we understand them. Were I a wild creature, I wouldn't like or trust humans very much. I can't blame them when they take revenge.

      • 10 votes
      Reply#6 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:25 PM EST
      storyartist

      I doubt the whale was acting out of revenge or attack. Most likely she grabbed the trainer like a toy. Sea World won't punish the whale. Worst case scenario would be to train her to be let go back into the wild. But the show will go on.

      • 3 votes
      #6.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:47 PM EST
      lovemyplanet-400560

      I doubt the whale was acting out of revenge or attack.

      You're right. I wasn't really commenting that this particular animal was taking revenge but that there are those that do. He may have been, though. Elephants do. In reading that he shot up out of the water and grabbed the trainer and shook her, I would think that there was a bit of animosity there. But admittedly, there are different versions of the story.

      I don't know if this particular killer whale was captured in the wild or born in captivity but if he was captured, he'd no doubt remember it. I know that elephants suffer post-traumatic-stress-disorder (the only other animal that biologists say experience this mental dis-ease besides humans. I don't believe that, I think many of them do!) but it wouldn't surprise me if they did. Killer whales are both cunning and intelligent. As the Robert Muldoon character said in Jurassic Park, "They show extraordinary intelligence, even problem-solving. Especially the big one...That one... when she looks at you, you can tell she's working things out." That describes killer whales pretty accurately. I've even heard of them being referred to as "the velociraptor of the sea". (Not that that has anything to do with PTSD.)

      I just checked, he WAS captured. I don't know if that has anything to do with this story, though.

      Just found this as well. I agree!

        #6.2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:04 PM EST
        lovemyplanet-400560

        The Robert Muldoon character was referring to velociraptors. I could have made that more clear! Still, it also applies to orcas as well.

          #6.3 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:10 PM EST
          Demosthene

          My heartfelt condolences to Dawn Brancheau's family, and to the employees at Sea World. We are a former member of the Sea World family, through my son, and I know that everyone there is just heartbroken. I hope that counselors are available, especially for the visitors who witnessed this tragedy.

          I don't think anyone is qualified to comment on the mental state of an orca, especially one that has been living captive for a very long time. I also don't think that orca indulge in the human emotions of revenge or dislike. They're very bright animals, but they remain animals just the same. Their talents and skills are absolutely remarkable, yes, and there is much to learn from them. Reminding ourselves that they are animals doesn't diminish any of that. But we have to keep our knowledge of them firmly in their realm, not ours.

          As for training to return to the wild, that would require locating Tilikum's original pod, and counting on its members remembering him. A lone orca, no matter how bright and skilled, would simply not know what to do in the wild, especially if it's been in captivity since it was a youngster. Chances of finding that pod are pretty slim. I don't even know if Tilikum was a capture: he may have been born in captivity. If that's the case, then releasing him would be a death sentence.

          • 4 votes
          #6.4 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:21 PM EST
          jeanette-1355722

          Although I know nothing about whales, I think you are correct about it not being able to survive in the wild after being captured and kept in that tank for so long. I don't think the whale realized what it was doing like a person would, and if the show was just starting, it was probably trying to perform a trick and it was timed wrong. Anything can happen with a wild animal. They can be playful and fun to watch, but still very dangerous. You can never turn your back on any wild animal for they may see you as a predator.

          • 1 vote
          #6.5 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:35 AM EST
          Checkmate-983933

          Agreed, jeanette.

          Remember Roy & Siegfried and the tiger incident? When they later studied the wounds on whoever got bit (I don't remember who) and the videotape, it was determined that the tiger wasn't really attacking him, but trying to help him. The guy fell and tigers pick up their cubs by the back of the neck. Unfortunatley, tigers don't know human necks are different from tiger necks and injury was made. If the tiger wanted to kill him, it would have.

          • 1 vote
          #6.6 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:46 AM EST
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          ARodgExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          I see that this thread has brought out the earth-muffin hippies that value the life of an animal over a human's. No surprise.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#7 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:30 PM EST
          newsblog903

          I see that for every article on Newsvine there is a troll. No suprise!

          • 10 votes
          #7.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:14 PM EST
          bumbleroot

          I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often, which speaks to the skill and intelligence of the animals and the connection between the animals and the humans who work with them. But an animal is just that, and they behave unpredictably. That should be taken into account. Hopefully the animal doesn't get executed because that will somehow wash everyone's hands clean of the truth, and the show will go on, until the next time an animal plays with a human and accidentally harms/kills said person...repeat....repeat...

          Superior intelligence my arse.

          • 5 votes
          #7.2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:12 PM EST
          Demosthene

          I do not value the life of animals above the lives of humans I value each equally and am grieving for all involved.

          ARodg, please go away. Go away quickly and, please, stay away.

          • 4 votes
          #7.3 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:23 PM EST
          kendal-

          Demosthene, you value human lives and animal lives equally?

            #7.4 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:51 PM EST
            killer bees

            Demosthene, no trying to argue with you. But when you said you value the lives of humans and animals equally, I wanted to ask a couple of questions.

            Do you eat meat?

            Do you wear clothing that was made from an animal, such as a leather belt or leather shoes?

            • 1 vote
            #7.5 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:40 AM EST
            sunnybunny1269

            ARodg - I'm curious about something, are you from AR ? I just wonder because I run into that attitude a lot here, and I'm curious if it is a regional thing. I'm wanting to understand more about peoples attitudes towards animals and each other better.

              #7.6 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:36 AM EST
              JanayB

              ARodg,

              I have to write this day down in my calender! I actually gave you....a vote up. What is the world coming to?

              :)

              • 1 vote
              #7.7 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:53 AM EST
              TheJonesGirl

              you value human lives and animal lives equally?

              People are animals. We aren't special.

              • 1 vote
              #7.8 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:18 PM EST
              Bajee

              I value human life more than that of an animal, but why does that mean we should kill the orca? For some sense of justice? As a deterent to other whales? If it was a dog then yea, kill it. But dogs are domesticated animals, they are expected to act in a relatively docile way and be able to live among humans. But this is not a dog, this is a 12,000 lb killer whale, one of the largest, aggressive, intelligent predators in the world. This whale was captured from the wild and thrown into a small tank and expected to do humiliating tricks for tourists until the end of its life. The whale behaved exactly as one should have expected it to, and I'm sure the trainer understood the risks associated with climbing into the tank with the whale.

              • 1 vote
              #7.9 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:29 AM EST
              TheJonesGirl

              If it was a dog then yea, kill it.

              I think that is situational. My cousin and a friend poked at a neighbor's dog with sticks and taunted it and it bit my cousin. The dog was put down and my cousin got a nice sum from a lawsuit--when it was HER FAULT the dog bit her. She was 7 when it happened, old enough to know better. Even the best trained of dogs will attack if provoked.

              • 1 vote
              #7.10 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:52 PM EST
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              newsblog903

              We as a species think of the rest of the animal kingdom as lessor creatures and less intelligent.

              That's right, it is all relative isn't it? Animals are not necessarily lesser, just different! In some instances they are more human than humans and some smarter than some humans.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#8 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:30 PM EST
              Bajee

              That all depends on what your definition on intelligence or human is.

              Personally my definitions are as follows:

              Intelligence: The ability of problem solving, learning, and retaining useful information.

              Human. Species, homo sapien.

              So no, I dont think other animals are more intelligent or more human than humans. You would have to have a pretty twisted ad hoc definition of both of those words to think otherwise.

                #8.1 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:00 PM EST
                TheJonesGirl

                Intelligence: The ability of problem solving, learning, and retaining useful A6-BOIntelligence: The ability of problem solving, learning, and retaining useful information

                .
                All manner of great apes and monkeys use tools and have complex social structures. Bees have complex social structures. Many animals learn commands and actions.

                And humans are Homo sapien sapien.

                • 1 vote
                #8.2 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:23 PM EST
                There They Go Again

                Don't bother Bajee. It's a religion with them and talking sense is useless. I think that it may a psychological aberration that is a rationalization of self hate. Since, if a person hates himself that much, the only option is suicide; the self hate is rationalized into hatred or loathing of all humanity. Assisting humanity with it's suicide then becomes logical. Either that or a genetic mutation removing the instinct for species survival. I'm neither a psychiatrist nor a geneticist but those seem the most logical.

                  #8.3 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:26 PM EST
                  TheJonesGirl

                  I don't hate humanity, but I can understand that the world would go on without us with barely a hiccup.

                  Read The World Without Us by Alan Weisman.

                  The World Without Us reveals how, just days after humans disappear, floods in New York's subways would start eroding the city's foundations, and how, as the world's cities crumble, asphalt jungles give way to real ones. It describes the distinct ways that organic and chemically-treated farms would revert to wild, how billions more birds would flourish, and how cockroaches in unheated cities would perish without us. Drawing on the expertise of engineers, atmospheric scientists, art conservators, zoologists, oil refiners, marine biologists, astrophysicists, religious leaders from rabbis to the Dalai Lama, and paleontologists – who describe a pre-human world inhabited by megafauna like giant sloths that stood taller than mammoths – Weisman illustrates what the planet might be like today, if not for us.

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.4 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:33 PM EST
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                  Zanyzazu

                  The only thing that baffles me is....when or what is the turning point that makes a loved and well cared for animal turn.

                  I honestly think that they become so familiar that they think humans are of their species.....and not they of ours ........and the animals think the humans can take the treatment jostled about....or wrestled ...or as any animal .....like they are simply being playful....or in some cases ....perhaps angry....and once started they become wild again answering to their natual instincts. I am sure all moving things are seen as food.

                  It can be learned by the hunting....and mating habits of each animal I am pretty sure.

                  The relationship of animal to human must be so confusing to the animal. They must question and be confused by the roles they are expected to play...

                  That has never actually been decided and understood between humans....and killings take place between humans....who are in love.....so why be so shocked if it is aminal and humans.

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#9 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:40 PM EST
                  Bajee

                  It was not loved or well cared for in the sense that you understand.

                  Killer whales are NOT domesticated species. Dogs can care for and love humans because they have been domesticated, bred for that specific purpose and have evolved along side humans for hundreds of thousands of years. A killer whale can be 'tamed', but it can never be domesticated. This is a wild animal, a vicious, highly intelligent 12,000 carnivore. They are the wolves of the seas. They are used to the habitat of a nearly boundless ocean, putting them in a cage seriously messes with them. Putting one in a cage with a person is just asking for disaster. Its not some cute cudly animal that turned on its trainer. It is an absolutely ferocious predator that did what it does best, kill. Its the exact same situation when a pet tiger kills someone. The person obviously did not deserve their fate, but they were asking for it.

                    #9.1 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:05 PM EST
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                    killer bees

                    When are people going to get it?

                    Circus animals. SeaWorld animals. Anywhere wild animals are used for our entertainment and exploitation should be banned. Turn wild animals loose to their own habitat gradually and leave them alone.

                    They either need to shut down these enterprises, or people should get a clue and boycott these types of businesses until they are out of business.

                    We should only see wild animals in their natural state or through the lens of a camera.

                    When you are dealing with a wild animal, no matter how much it has been trained, you might as well be playing Russian Roulette.

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#10 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:46 PM EST
                    gwen-450413

                    How sad. Sea World is 100% responsible in this. (And for the record ARodg, I'm not an "earth-muffin hippie). But they have allowed this whale to continue even though there was a history of attack. Further they have continued their killer whale show even though there have been multiple issues with multiple killer whales.

                    I do wonder if just releasing these whales is an option anymore. Are they fit to go back to the wild now after being conditioned for captivity (some of them even born in captivity) for so long? If not does SeaWorld even have a place that they "retire" animals to? A refuge of some sort? It just seems irresponsible all the way around on the part of SW.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#11 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:46 PM EST
                    killer bees

                    The only way anything will be done to stop this type of thing from happening is if people stop going to SeaWorld, to circuses, and to anyplace else where wild animals are exploited for the use of entertainment.

                    • 3 votes
                    #11.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:49 PM EST
                    Demosthene

                    gwen,

                    From what I've read, there is no way to rehabilitate an orca, and Tilikum has lived most of his life in captivity. There is no way to find his original pod, and that would be necessary for him to return to the wild world.

                    Tilikum is absolutely huge, and if I remember correctly, is not used much in the show (a family member of mine worked at Sea World for several years and got to know him a bit). He spends most of his time in the back area, away from people and the show used to use him for two swim-arounds, to splash immense amounts of water on the audience. He's getting old, and perhaps his mental acuity is not what it used to be.

                    The way the incident is describe in the media sounds like Tilikum was playing with the trainer. It's hard to be "played with" by a 6 ton animal.

                    • 2 votes
                    #11.2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:30 PM EST
                    Checkmate-983933

                    There was a statement saying that he ay even be dying due to his old age. Sometimes animals will do these kind of things because the mind is going.

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.3 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:29 PM EST
                    gwen-450413

                    It's really too bad that, at the very least, there is no "retirement plan," for lack of a better term, in place for these animals; like an orca refuge of some sort.

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.4 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:06 AM EST
                    Checkmate-983933

                    Good question, gwen. I know there is at least one for dolphins in the Bahamas.

                      #11.5 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:04 AM EST
                      TeachResponsibility

                      That is a good question. Also, if the whale is old, what happens when they die? These animals are huge, how do you dispose of them? Not trying to be morbid, but I am curious.

                        #11.6 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:55 AM EST
                        Checkmate-983933

                        They give the dead whale either to a museum, lab, etc. My friend worked at an aquarium and told me that is how it is usually done when animals die in zoos/aquariums. The body is donated to science. From there, it may or may not be taxidermed or have its body parts donated to museums or other labs.

                          #11.7 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:16 AM EST
                          TeachResponsibility

                          Thank you for the reply! That sounds like a good solution.

                            #11.8 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:34 AM EST
                            willynilly

                            The only way anything will be done to stop this type of thing from happening is if people stop going to SeaWorld, to circuses, and to anyplace else where wild animals are exploited for the use of entertainment

                            Does that include the zoo?

                              #11.9 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:50 PM EST
                              TheJonesGirl

                              Does that include the zoo?

                              Some zoos are terrible. Some, like the Zoo and Wild Animal Park in San Diego, are incredible places and may be the only place certain species survive as we human animals destroy ecosystems and the environment of certain species. I have no issue with a zoo that provides the animals with a natural-like habitat and room to roam, where the animals can be who they are and not have to perform tricks.

                              • 5 votes
                              #11.10 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:06 PM EST
                              gwen-450413

                              I know in the where I live, one of our zoos actually has many animals that were rescued from circuses or parks (b/c people are idiots and fed the animals, which then became aggressive), or people who thought it would be "cool" to have a lion as a pet. Most zoos are good. I don't think they are in the same boat with amusement parks.

                              • 2 votes
                              #11.11 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:25 PM EST
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                              kendal-

                              This animal was already involved in the deaths of 2 other people. Why did they still keep it around? Should have been put out to sea a long time ago. Condonences for the family of the trainer.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#12 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:49 PM EST
                              Lisafrequency

                              I believe the killer whale popultaion will decide if they will be accepted into a heard if this animal is set free at least nature will know what to do with them.

                              • 1 vote
                              #12.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:11 PM EST
                              Perry Tenitiss

                              That's why they call them killer whales. People think wild animals should have manners and morals. They're still wild animals and can always become unpredictable. Look at the guy who was at one with the bears. Then they ate him.

                              • 3 votes
                              #12.2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:44 PM EST
                              Auteur 1536

                              That's why they call them killer whales.

                              The name "killer whale" is given to them because they're such skilled hunters when it comes to hunting seals and penguins. Orcas don't usually attack people, even in the wild, though most of the cases of orcas attacking people has almost always been documented in captivity.

                              • 1 vote
                              #12.3 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:54 PM EST
                              willynilly

                              This proves that Maslow's hierachy of needs applies to animals as well. This whale wasnt content in being safe, well fed and the self esteem from performing tricks for humans. It needed self-actualization. Just as "what a man can be- he must be". What Killer whale must be -she must be.

                              • 1 vote
                              #12.4 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:55 PM EST
                              mike lonkouski

                              willynilly

                              Fantastic point and post!

                              • 1 vote
                              #12.5 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:31 PM EST
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                              Lady Bug

                              When Sea World was in Ohio, we visited it every summer. One year my husband was feeding the dolphins when one came at him at full speed and jumped at his face... We both jumped back and he looked at me like what the hell just happened...We had feed them every year...The next summer, Sea World changed the tank so that you couldn't get close to the dolphins or touch the water...Makes you wonder how many people or kids that have been attacked by these creatures and maybe they were just hushed...

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#13 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:53 PM EST
                              Auteur 1536

                              Makes you wonder how many people or kids that have been attacked by these creatures and maybe they were just hushed...

                              You should ask the idiot parents who let their kids dangle over the edge of the tanks. I went to feed the sea lions at SeaWorld a couple years ago, and all the parents had their kids sitting on the edge with their feet dangling over the edge where the seals could have easily jumped up and bitten them.

                              • 2 votes
                              #13.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:56 PM EST
                              Lady Bug

                              Maybe those are the bad kids...kidding...I know I've seen it also...

                              • 1 vote
                              #13.2 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:51 PM EST
                              Reply
                              Perry Tenitiss

                              I watched the press conference for that. The reporters were interrupting the police spokesman to ask him questions. He couldn't even tell them what they wanted to hear without interruption. Then the head guy from SeaWorld come up to the mike and said, "I am making a statement. I won't be taking any questions." He made his statement and they started asking questions. He told them he had nothing more to say three times. He told them they were like a family and in mourning.

                              If it were me I'd have said, "Listen, stupid, call your editor and ask him what "no questions" means".

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#14 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:59 PM EST
                              diversity

                              So does this mean the whale get put down like a dog would for biting someone ?

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#15 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:39 PM EST
                              Perry Tenitiss

                              Perhaps it would be best to put some of those reporters down.

                              • 1 vote
                              #15.1 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:45 PM EST
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                              Sgt C USMC

                              So apparently we're dealing with 'serial' killer whales. Hmmm...

                              I'm sure Budweiser is glad they no longer hold the rights to this particular capitalistic venture any longer - An-Bev is going to be in for one hell of a lawsuit.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#16 - Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:09 PM EST
                              EBM RulesDeleted
                              Spooky Boyfriend

                              ....comin' at you from a place of love but, "huh?"...

                              Can you throw up the link?

                              Don't worry brah, I'm going to look for it now...

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#18 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:35 AM EST
                              Shay-1124104

                              Too many times, human beings capture and cage wild animals and then they make the mistake of trying to domesticate them. And when the animal behave like an animal, there is shock and disbelief. I don't get it. They're in the wild for a reason, leave them there. It's not natural or humane to capture anything of the wild, incarcerate it, and attempt to domesticate it. Its just not right. When will people wake up and leave the freakin animals alone.

                                Reply#19 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:12 AM EST
                                Tired of F'Ups

                                I wonder if this whale suffered from mental illness

                                  Reply#20 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:45 AM EST
                                  Perry Tenitiss

                                  The whale has been captured, incarcerated, reprogrammed and forced to join a cult. Backlash is inevitible for the strong of character.

                                    #20.1 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:23 AM EST
                                    Tired of F'Ups

                                    LOL, what kind of whale did you say this was???? a "lover" whale, no wait a "Good Friend" whale.....

                                    This wasnt the same one that bit off Bo Derek's leg was it???

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #20.2 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:16 AM EST
                                    Shay-1124104

                                    The whale has been captured, incarcerated, reprogrammed and forced to join a cult. Backlash is inevitible for the strong of character.

                                    Indeed

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #20.3 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:14 PM EST
                                    Bajee

                                    Its not backlash and its not mental illness. They are called killer whales for a reason. They are known to attack people in the wild when the opportunity presents itself. Packs of them have been known to destroy yachts and kill the crew. It is unbeleivably stupid to capture one and climb into a cage with it.

                                    Would you climb into a tank with a 20 foot great white shark? The only difference between a shark and a killer whale is that a whale is intelligent enough to be taught demeaning tricks that make tourists clap their hands and cough up the bucks. If it was possible to capture a great white shark and train it, seaworld trainers would be riding around on them right now making them jump through hoops. Luckily great whites mysteriously die when placed in tanks.

                                    This was just a killer whale doing what it does best.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #20.4 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:12 PM EST
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                                    Jason-632265

                                    I don't believe wild animals should be kept in captivity under any circumstance. If I were a killer whale they took from my home and put in a pool to entertain crowds of humans everyday I would kill anyone that got in the pool with me.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#21 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:42 AM EST
                                    Bajee

                                    The sad truth is that sometimes keeping wild animals in captivity is the only way to keep them from going extinct. There are more mountain gorillas in zoos than there in the wild, and the wild population is dying off very quickly. Of course this is not the case for Killer Whales.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #21.1 - Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:14 PM EST
                                    Reply
                                    Meturaf

                                    What will it take to rehabilitate the whale to readopt to the Oceans as that is the only fair and right thing to do.?

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#22 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:18 AM EST
                                    ming-315743

                                    Duh, thus the term killer whale.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#23 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:39 AM EST
                                    demo scout

                                    See the teeth! See the films showing how Orcas catch seals when they are hunting and throw them around in the air before eating them! Hear the name, "Killer Whales!" They are huge powerful magnificent animals who were not put on earth to entertain us. Put the whale back in the ocean where he belongs.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#24 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:54 AM EST
                                    Dave-792879

                                    OK, people, the last year should teach you a few things:

                                    Chimps are not household pets.

                                    Orcas are not trained seals.

                                    Any questions?

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#25 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:00 PM EST
                                    willynilly

                                    OK, people, the last year should teach you a few things

                                    I would add to that:

                                    Dont let toddlers play with Pythons

                                    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE56067K20090701

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #25.1 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:29 PM EST
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                                    SocialistCitizen

                                    Why do people insist on anthropomorphizing this animal? Hint: Free Willy is just a movie. If orca thought the way humans do, they would recognize that they have been unjustly imprisoned and would kill every human they can get their teeth on.

                                      Reply#26 - Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:15 PM EST
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