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Gap in health care law's protection for children

Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:52 PM EDT
politics, health, us, barack-obama, children, overhaul, coverage
Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press

Participants applaud in the East Room of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, where President Barack Obama, flanked by Macelas Owens of Seattle, left, and Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., right, signs the health care bill. Behind the president, from left are, Senate Majority Whip Richard Durbin of Ill., Vice President Joe Biden, Vicki Kennedy, widow of Sen. Ted Kennedy, Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., Ryan Smith of Turlock, Calif., Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif., House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Md., Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nev., Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., House Majority Whip James Clyburn of S.C., and Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is scrambling to fix a potential problem with a much-touted benefit of its new health care law, a gap in coverage improvements for children in poor health, officials said Tuesday.

Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill President Barack Obama signed into law Tuesday.

However, if a child is accepted for coverage, or is already covered, the insurer cannot exclude payment for treating a particular illness, as sometimes happens now. For example, if a child has asthma, the insurance company cannot write a policy that excludes that condition from coverage. The new safeguard will be in place later this year.

In recent speeches, Obama has given the impression that the immediate benefit for kids is much more robust.

Full protection for children would not come until 2014, said Kate Cyrul, a spokeswoman for the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, another panel that authored the legislation. That's the same year when insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to any person on account of health problems.

Obama's public statements conveyed the impression that the new protections for kids were sweeping and straightforward.

"This is a patient's bill of rights on steroids," the president said Friday at George Mason University in Virginia. "Starting this year, thousands of uninsured Americans with pre-existing conditions will be able to purchase health insurance, some for the very first time. Starting this year, insurance companies will be banned forever from denying coverage to children with pre-existing conditions."

And Saturday, addressing House Democrats as they approached a make-or-break vote on the bill, Obama said: "This year ... parents who are worried about getting coverage for their children with pre-existing conditions now are assured that insurance companies have to give them coverage — this year."

Late Tuesday, the administration said Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would try to resolve the situation by issuing new regulations. The Obama administration interprets the law to mean that kids can't be denied coverage, as the president has said repeatedly.

"To ensure that there is no ambiguity on this point, the secretary of HHS is preparing to issue regulations next month making it clear that the term 'pre-existing exclusion' applies to both a child's access to a plan and his or her benefits once he or she is in the plan for all plans newly sold in this country six months from today," HHS spokesman Nick Papas said.

The coverage problem mainly affects parents who purchase their own coverage for the family, as many self-employed people have to do. Families covered through employer plans typically do not have to worry about being denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

Parents whose kids are turned down by an insurer would still have a fallback under the law. They could seek coverage through state high-risk insurance pools slated for a major infusion of federal funds.

The high-risk pools are intended to serve as a backstop until 2014, when insurers no longer would be able to deny coverage to those in frail health. That same year, new insurance markets would open for business, and the government would begin to provide tax credits to help millions of Americans pay premiums.

An insurance industry group says the language in the law that pertains to consumer protections for kids is difficult to parse.

"We're taking a closer look at it to see what exactly the requirement will be," said Robert Zirkelbach, spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, the main industry lobby.

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Ripley8

I want to highlight some of the changes that middle-class families and small businesses will see over the next year:

Starting Right Now...

o Small businesses will get a tax cut to help them pay for health insurance for their employees. Companies will get a credit up to 35 percent of the money they spend on premiums. Those credits will increase over time, eventually reaching 50 percent when the Insurance Exchanges go into effect. The full credit is available to small firms with 10 or fewer employees, and firms with up to 25 employees will qualify for a partial credit.

o The federal government will begin investing in community health centers to provide care to the people who need it most. In the next five years, $11 billion will be spent expanding access to health centers to 25 million more people in 10,000 communities.

o Any senior who is affected by the so-called "doughnut hole" will qualify for a $250 rebate to help them pay for their prescription medicines.

In 3 Months...

o People with pre-existing conditions will be able to get help with a special fund set up to cover the gap until the Insurance Exchanges are up and running.

o Retiree health plans qualify for a new federal reinsurance program for health plans covering early retirees (age 55-64) to bring down costs for businesses and lower premiums.

In 6 Months...

o All health plans will be prohibited from denying coverage or care to children because of "pre-existing conditions." This protection will apply to everyone when the Insurance Exchanges are up and running.

o All health plans will be required to allow young adults to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26.

o All new health plans will be required to provide free preventive care with no co-pays or deductibles.

o All health plans will be prohibited from cancelling coverage when a patient reaches a lifetime limit on coverage.

o All health plans will be prohibited from cancelling coverage if a patient gets sick or if they file too many claims.

o All new health plans will be required to allow consumers to appeal insurance company denials of coverage and get an independent review of their case.

o All new health plans will be required to let you pick your own primary care doctor. Women will also be allowed to visit their ob-gyn without getting permission from their insurance company first, and all patients will be guaranteed access to emergency care.

On January 1, 2011...

o Seniors in Medicare can make an appointment for a free annual wellness checkup with their doctor. There will be no co-pays or deductibles for this visit.

o All insurance plans will be required to spend at least 80-85 percent of their revenues on medical care. If they spend too much on wasteful overhead, like executive salaries and advertising, they will be required to give their customers a rebate.

The package of fixes the Senate is working on now will make this good bill even better. This "reconciliation package" will be debated over the next few days. As we continue working on this issue, I remain committed to helping middle-class families, small businesses, and seniors afford the health care coverage they need. For updated information about this new legislation, you can visit my website at http://stabenow.senate.gov/healthcare.

As always, please continue to keep me informed about issues of concern to you or your family.

Sincerely,

Debbie Stabenow

United States Senator

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:37 PM EDT
mikkey

So when do the Kornhusker deals kick in? They are in the law too, but is that this year or after Obamma is voted out ?

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:10 AM EDT
Scott-377513

Kornhusker deals

That is being taken out as we type in the senate.

    #1.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:28 AM EDT
    Chilan Nguyen

    This is the worst bill in the history of the US! It was illegally rammed down the throats of the American people who overwhelmingly did not want it. The only people who wanted this bill to pass were the non working people. The lazies and the illegals as I call them. President Obama lied repeatedly and often. One of his biggest lies was he said "NOT A SINGLE ILLEGAL ALIEN WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THIS BILL" AND THIS BILL GIVES COVERAGE TO ANYONE LIVING IN THE us. Also the he lied about the cost of this bill. He did not take into account that through reckless spending Moodys is considering lowering our rating for our national debt and they are looking at Obama signing this health care bill and will probably lower it within 1 to 2 years when they start to see the debt go out of site. Even Moodys said if they raise the interest it will have severe social consequences the likes our Nation has not seen. When you take into account Amnesty for all the illegals later this year and the 30 plus million new immigrants over the next 10 years if not more and many of them coming because they have aids or other illnesses or injuries then our costs will couble easy. I am predicting the government will spend 5 trillion in the next 10 years. I may be wrong but that is my most accurate prediction and I have been pretty accurate in the past.

    Our nation is 12 trillion in debt. The net worth of our nation is 42 trillion. With this health care bill we will be going into debt even faster. If we average 2 trillion more debt per year we will be broke as a counrty in about 12 years when you factor in the interest on our national debt will be larger than our GDP.

    We are in big trouble as a nation and even though we needed healthcare anybody who has read this package realizes this is way way way to Socialist for what the people wanted. I understand giving health care to all Americans but not illegals. They should all have to go home and come back legally. We could raise the quotas and take all of them back within a 3 year period but make them come back legally. They shoul have to do it right like I did after the Vietnam war.

    • 2 votes
    #1.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:29 AM EDT
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    Right to Secede

    Oh wow you found something where the Democrats do not exercise complete control over the insurance companies.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:51 PM EDT
    "Big Ern" McKracken

    Is that Gary Coleman next to Oblunder in the picture?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:57 PM EDT
    mikkey

    What you talkin bout Willis???

    • 1 vote
    #3.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:09 AM EDT
    Scott-377513

    Is that Gary Coleman next to Oblunder in the picture?

    That was SO WRONG, funny BUT WRONG!

    BTW Gary Coleman has been on medicare for like 1/2 his life.

    • 1 vote
    #3.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:29 AM EDT
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    theshiznits

    Just goes to show you that the Dems didn't read what they were shoving down everyone's throat! What an oversight!!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:01 AM EDT
    Jeff-Las Vegas

    and do you not have to wonder if he intentionally lied to help get his bill passed? I would say yes- others would give him the benefit of the doubt. Only time will tell just like only time will tell if this is a huge mess or a huge benefit for the American people.

    And Saturday, addressing House Democrats as they approached a make-or-break vote on the bill, Obama said: "This year ... parents who are worried about getting coverage for their children with pre-existing conditions now are assured that insurance companies have to give them coverage — this year."-which the article says if false.

    • 2 votes
    #4.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:10 AM EDT
    Buckeye Voter

    So you would have preferred that the protections that will go into effect in 2014 would go into effect sooner? You argued for a stronger HCR bill?

    I agree that there is a lot of room for more ambitious reform, but if we are to retain our private insurance industry we have to give it time to adjust to the laws and regulations.

    This is not evidence that the Democratic members of Congress failed to read and comprehend the content of the Senate HCR bill. Rather, they enacted rather modest legislation that would not disrupt the health care insurance industry.

    • 1 vote
    #4.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:12 AM EDT
    Rank on Rank

    This is not evidence that the Democratic members of Congress failed to read and comprehend the content of the Senate HCR bill. Rather, they enacted rather modest legislation that would not disrupt the health care insurance industry.

    Thank you Buckeye Voter,

    Your knowledge and logic put the much overrated so called conservative republican ''Common Sense" to shame.

    • 1 vote
    #4.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:16 AM EDT
    Jim44

    "they enacted rather modest legislation that would not disrupt the health care insurance industry.

    What? ..How about we try to pretend we are all being honest! They do not intend to....

    "retain our private insurance industry we have to give it time to adjust to the laws and regulations.

    They just know they have to take baby steps until it can not be REVERSED! No... make that, before they could be STOPPED!

    A simple google search ...Obama single payer....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

    • 1 vote
    #4.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:03 AM EDT
    Buckeye Voter

    Who is "they?" You do realize that Congressional representatives are elected, don't you?

    • 1 vote
    #4.5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:28 PM EDT
    Jim44

    Hmmm .....yea I am pretty sure I understand they were elected... And I guess that by your statement, come next Jan. when the Republicans retake control the house...you will think the same way! America has spoken and you should sit down ...be quiet and let them run the country anyway they think is best. And in 2012 when President Obama becomes ex-president Obama .. you will not question anything the new president wish's to do...give him years to work his majic and not expect to voice your disapproval of anything he or she does, as that would be deemed as...oh I don't know you pick ...unpatriotic, or racist or bigoted or blah blah .... blah!

    I seem to remember when then Sen Clinton reminded us just how PATRIOTIC it was to voice your opposition to the president!Do You!

    • 1 vote
    #4.6 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:47 PM EDT
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    jbird

    Interesting that I failed to find this in mainstream news websites.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:23 AM EDT
    Buckeye Voter

    That's because the phase-in of the law's provisions isn't news.

    • 1 vote
    #5.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT
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    tax211hurts

    I find it amazing that they are SCRAMBLING to "fix" Bammer's misleading statements to the public!

    He was lying when he said kids are covered THIS YEAR!  He is not smart enough to read much less interpret what other people wrote in the bill.  Pathetic.  Headline news!  There is a "gap"??!!

    WHAT ELSE IS "GAPING" IN THIS DAMNED THING?!

    I am a small business owner...and as my username attests...this reform bill will be devastating to small businesses like my own.  Many will lay off or fire just enough employees to stay under the threshold requirements...and I hope they do just that.  It is better in the long run to just use temps...like Neal Boortz suggested...to escape the requirement altogether.  This is an unsustainable expense...and will ultimately drive up the unemployment numbers.  Businesses do business for PROFIT....and that sometimes comes at the expense of employees.  I am sure that point is clear...or will be VERY soon.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#6 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:25 AM EDT
    PfunkNation

    well I'm glad I don't work for you, you sound like a real winner. Good luck with those temp workers, I'm sure your business will prosper relying on people who don't give $#!t about your company. Maybe you should get a new accountant because most small businesses don't pay a huge amount in taxes. I know I don't.

    I guess if we left it up to Republicans there wouldn't be any sick kids to cover because their parent's insurance would say no - pre-existing conditions.

    Wait, I'm on to something here. Are Republicans actually insurance people? They both say no A LOT :)

    • 1 vote
    #6.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:23 AM EDT
    ShayGrimm

    I am sorry as I know this will hurt your business along with a lot of other people. But hey guess what the Democrats that helped pass this bill only care about their big pay checks, planes, and awesome cars!!!! I am sickened by this bill, and again I say sorry to you, other business owners, and health care professionals. Our country is falling apart, and it's sad because we are still such a young country. We should have just stuck to trying to get America out of debt before putting a trillion dollar bill into law. But hey again Democrats must not care about the Country right?

    • 1 vote
    #6.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:24 AM EDT
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    Scott-377513

    I find it amazing that they are SCRAMBLING to "fix" Bammer's misleading statements to the public!

    Better than they republicans, they lie then say they aint doing a damn thing for the rest of the year.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:31 AM EDT
    mike lonkouski

    Too Late!

    You passed it with such zeal and haste, don't waste time looking back now.

    Let the children die, but celebrate your @!$%#ing victory!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#8 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:31 AM EDT
    Scott-377513

    They are fixing it what more do you want. The Senate is doing 24 hour shifts.

    • 2 votes
    #8.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:38 AM EDT
    "Big Ern" McKracken

    They are fixing it what more do you want.

    The democrats are sleazy, pure and simple. The Cornhusker Kickback is part in parcel what got it out of the senate, yet is now seen as inappropriate? It seems that the liberal strategy was to deliberately and with malice insert payoffs and bribes to vote it out just to then take it out. Barack Capone does corrupt, Chicago machine politics quite well.

    • 2 votes
    #8.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:45 AM EDT
    mike lonkouski

    Scott-377513

    Too late! How many children have died since they rushed this bill through?

    Just kidding.

    My point is that with an entire year, and god knows how many speeches, and all the endless debates and bull@!$%#, and even the stupid idiots that passed this piece of @!$%# without knowing what the @!$%# it even does, we still end-up with 2700 pages of unknown nonsense, an Executive Order, and they only managed to leave-out sick kids?

    Are you @!$%#ing kidding me? Sick Kids?

    And you people wonder why we don't trust the government to do anything?

    Jesus H. @!$%#ing Christ!

    How do you just say "Oh well, they're fixing it" and move-on like that solves it?

    For the love of christ, research the history of your government and ask yourself about the number of times they have gotten this kind of garbage right!

    2700 pages, and ALL they forgot were sick kids? But they did get 16,000 more IRS employees and countless government agencies.

    It's almost a trillion dollars, this isn't some stupid program, this an overhaul of an entire industry, oddly enough, the very industry entrusted with saving our lives.

    How many mistakes do you want in 2700 pages and one year of debate, and an executive order, and a fix, and the next, and the next, and the next.....?

    • 6 votes
    #8.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:49 AM EDT
    Scott-377513

    From what I under stand it was to bring certain states up to the national level.

    Its done all the time, its called spreading the wealth.

    http://www.visualeconomics.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/

    • 2 votes
    #8.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:49 AM EDT
    mike lonkouski

    Spreading the wealth=dead children.

    Tell me about the death panels?

    You guys never get it, the govt. could screw-up a wet dream.

    This "BILL" will KILL people before it's over!

    People are going to die because of this, you watch and see, and then tell me how great it is.

    • 3 votes
    #8.5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:59 AM EDT
    ShayGrimm

    ""This "BILL" will KILL people before it's over!""

    I totally agree with you on that.

    • 1 vote
    #8.6 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:37 AM EDT
    Jim44

    Oh come on Mike, but their hearts are in the right place.

    Only a fool couldn't see that taking $500 billion dollars from the already going broke Medicare program and shifting that money to the already broken Medicaid program isn't something that will help Medicare! And there is no way that it will not effect the care received by the millions of people that have paid in all their lives to Medicare! That's just a silly thought! And, as for DEATH PANELS...perish the thought!

    Sure having millions more people, the so called "baby boomers" preparing to join the roles of Medicare, might cause some rethinking of how to spread the care... and that less money to provide services for more people, might lead one to believe they will have to be re-allocated (don't say rationed) to those eligible. Please ...don't make the assumption that this taking of the monies from Medicare (for people over 65) and giving it to Medicaid would in any way cause for the "RATIONING" care.... or that the provisions in this new law providing the HHS Secretary wide and sweeping powers to determine by the stroke of a pen to modify and or allocate services. You might even think that this gives one person ( or a group of advisers) the say over who gets what treatment ..when ..and how much! Perish the thought!

    But what the hay! You spend a year write over 2700 pages for a law that you don't know is what is in it and give wide sweeping authority to one person (HHS Secretary) I guess it works! Anyone have any idea how many times this bill advocates a decision to the Secretary of HHS? Its an amazing number, this unknown and unforeseen consequences.

    And I have to wonder..with between 12-20 million illegals in this country, if we give them amnesty, just how does this effect the numbers for the Medicare and Medicaid roles?

    A side note ...interesting read for those on the right!

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/11/28/howard-dean-for-president/

    • 1 vote
    #8.7 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:04 AM EDT
    mike lonkouski

    Jim44

    Only a fool couldn't see that taking $500 billion dollars from the already going broke Medicare program and shifting that money to the already broken Medicaid program isn't something that will help Medicare! And there is no waythat it will not effect the care received by the millions of people that have paid in all their lives to Medicare! That's just a silly thought! And, as for DEATH PANELS...perish the thought!

    No kidding.

    Hey, this just in, they're not going to call them "Death Panels" (it didn't test well), so, instead, they're going to call them "Life Panels". They get to choose who will live, and it sounds so much better.

    Great Post Jim, this plan is going to make us suffer in more ways than one.

    • 3 votes
    #8.8 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:28 AM EDT
    Buckeye Voter

    If the status quo was "killing children" and the Republicans were the ones arguing for the status quo, they it is the Republicans who are baby killers.

    • 1 vote
    #8.9 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:31 PM EDT
    Scott-377513

    Spreading the wealth=dead children.

    Did you even look at the chart?

      #8.10 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:26 PM EDT
      Jim44

      "the Republicans were the ones arguing for the status quo,

      Oh come on ...no one that has payed any attention to this issue can take that position and defend it with facts... The republican position ( can't believe I am defending the republicans..but) has been all along that the system is broken, but that this Bill is not the answer , and that it just adds to the problem! Oh please ...don't make me go get the countless articles with the rights positions... Look for yourself! Did you even bother to take a peek at the latest circus by the president....his health care summit? The republicans had plenty of idea's ...just not the ones that the president wanted to hear and even the ones he agreed with were stopped by the Speaker...Go figure, give us your idea's ...waste of time!

      • 1 vote
      #8.11 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT
      Reply
      David Noah

      One day after the bill was signed into law and their finding problems with it. Should we start a pool and set a deadline for how many more flaws they find in it. I pick fifty by this time next year. Hmm... but this was a 2700 page bill and you have the doctors fix, the managers amendment, the reconsiliation bill, Executive Abortion Order, and the H.H.S. has thousands of pages of Regulations to write. Maybe I better bump my guess up a bit...

      • 1 vote
      Reply#9 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:34 AM EDT
      Constance Elaine

      Are you on Medicare? The anti-government gun guy is on SSI. I wonder how many government haters are on some sort of assistance from the government. Oh, by the way, we, the people, are the government and we, the people, want those who represent us to "promote the general Welfare" - a direct quote from the preamble to the Constitution. An interesting document, you might want to read it.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#10 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:45 AM EDT
      Jim44

      "Oh, by the way, we, the people, are the government and we, the people, want those who represent us to "promote the general Welfare"

      Interesting you would say that!

      So, would one be lead to believe that since the signing of that amazing document until today ...Since we did not provide health care for everyone ...have not done so? That is "provide for the general welfare" ?

      Or, might it be presumed that in over 200 years we as a nation believed that personnal responsibility was just that .... and that the government, was not to venture into that area of the states and individuals rights and responsibilities?

      Please explain how Those men that wrote this wonderful document that you reference, were so negligent, as to not include this, so called right in the Bill of Rights? Where they painstakingly laid out several things that they knew they had not make quite clear enough in the body of the main document!

      And the comment ...

      "Are you on Medicare?

      You are aware that Medicare...is a program funded by TAXES directly levied on the individual (self employed pay 2.9% .. others pay 1.45% and the employer matches 1.45%) its not Medicaid... where people never pay in just take out!

      "The anti-government gun guy is on SSI. I wonder how many government haters are on some sort of assistance from the government.

      Still don't understand the anti-government gun guy comment..and that SSI is not Social Security Insurance (for which you pay through a payroll tax) but stands for Supplemental Security Income (a government handout, payed through taxes)..and, you are also aware, I am sure, that after taking almost 3% of a persons gross wages over a life time "should" entitle them to use the program THEY PAYED FOR!

      I am FORCED to pay for Medicare, and FORCED to pay for Social Security... The IRS takes it! And they in my case have done so for over 30 years! They are not programs that I support willingly, BUT ITS MY DAMN MONEY!

      I would suggest, no encourage you, to take a trip down the information highway and learn about the differences between, the social security programs set up under the initial plans and what they have become today! And learn the difference between Medicare, Medicaid,Social Security Insurance and Supplemental Security Income!!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_%28United_States%29

      • 1 vote
      #10.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:15 AM EDT
      crispy2000

      I wonder how many government haters are on some sort of assistance from the government.

      Assuming that you're using the term "government haters" to refer to those opposed to the expansion of federal entitlement programs. Are they only allowed to have opinions if they walk away from the money that they've been forced to pay over a lifetime?

      Oh, by the way, we, the people, are the government and we, the people, want those who represent us to "promote the general Welfare" - a direct quote from the preamble to the Constitution.

      You do know that "domestic tranquility" does not mean that the federal government forces your spouse to talk nicely to you, right? The "common defense" clause doesn't mean that a soldier follows each citizen around to protect you from every mugger. "General welfare" refers to the "United States" as a whole, not as individuals.

      • 3 votes
      #10.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
      Reply
      David Noah

      "You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered."
      Lyndon B. Johnson

      Maybe he should have said something about it being improperly written as well.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#11 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:51 AM EDT
      mike lonkouski

      Yes, but the "rush" demanded by the "crisis" didn't afford enough time to write it properly, much less read it.

      We must make haste, not worry about who it helps, or doesn't help.

      Besides, the important thing is that Obama got his bill passed.

      • 2 votes
      #11.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:22 AM EDT
      Skidude

      I blame the GOP for this. Had they worked with the president to on the bill, maybe the gap in coverage wouldn't be there. Because of the GOP, there was a rush to get the bill passed when they did. The GOP isn't interested in anyone having health insurance. They did everything they could to obstruct the bill and it isn't perfect. Now they will pick it apart. Nice work GOP! Where's your health care reform bill? However, they are interested in the same old lies and scare tactics. They did nothing for the last year besides trying to block health care. Now they are complaining about it. We live in a socialist country, or is it communist. Head for the hills! There are some good people in the GOP. Mccain used to be one of them. I don't know where the party went astray. They need to distance themselves from that fringe element, role up their sleeves and get to work. There current strategy doesn't seem to be working. This bill could have been their shining achievement.

      • 1 vote
      #11.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:37 AM EDT
      Jim44

      "I blame the GOP for this.

      What ? This truly was a bipartisan piece of legislation!

      Over 30 Democrats voted NO along with all of the Republicans..

      • 1 vote
      #11.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:20 AM EDT
      crispy2000

      Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. -- George Washington

      • 4 votes
      #11.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:12 PM EDT
      Jim44

      well said...by a man that could have been King, yet choose to just be a president then return to being a citizen. Unlike those we currently have in government that have choosen it as a career! They even had the nerve to approve a health care system for us, and a different system for them. Imagine that!

      • 1 vote
      #11.5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:58 PM EDT
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      ShayGrimm

      Let me just say for Obama "OOOOOOOPS" Jeeeez. You think someone would revise something like um a Health Care Reform Bill before putting it into law. But no the Democrats just HAD to have it done now, maybe they should of listened to the people of the U.S. and the Republicans, and the few Democrats that wanted it to be rewritten... again I say OOOOOPS.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#12 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:35 AM EDT
      Stumpjumper

      As Nancy Pelosi said "We need to pass this so we can find out what's in it!" UHH, shouldn't you know what's in it BEFORE you pass it!

      Why is it that EVERYTHING the POTUS has pushed for so far has been a "have to pass it now", a "CRISIS", pretty much RUSHED through? Yea the "health care" bill took over a year but it started out being pushed to be passed in less than a year.

      • 1 vote
      #12.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:40 AM EDT
      ShayGrimm

      Maybe they just want to make our country go buh bye. I don't know, but it's all starting to get a bit ridiculous... I could understand the stimulus package being rushed, because well everyone thought it would help, but this health care reform shouldn't have passed so fast, and with how much money will be needed for it!!!! WOW.

      • 1 vote
      #12.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:07 PM EDT
      Jim44

      "Why is it that EVERYTHING the POTUS has pushed for so far has been a "have to pass it now", a "CRISIS", pretty much RUSHED through?

      EASY...

      In the midst of the recent financial meltdown, Rahm Emanuel, the White House Chief of Staff, said, “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”

      http://www.theentrustgroup.com/elc/knowledge/article/3/317/

      • 1 vote
      #12.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:46 PM EDT
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      Bighorn

      OOOps - We forgot to read the small print or did not read it at all.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#13 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:12 AM EDT
      ShayGrimm

      How many of the people that passed this bill, do you think, actually read everyone word on every page? Something tells me not everyone.... :)

      • 1 vote
      #13.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:04 PM EDT
      crispy2000

      OOOps - We forgot to read the small print or did not read it at all.

      That's one possibility. Another is that some knew about it but were told to hold their yaps until after the bill was passed. It's not the only thing they were told to keep quiet about.

      The timing's a little suspicious.

      Of course, if Obama had kept his campaign promise of 5 days before signing, this might have been found before it became law.

      • 3 votes
      #13.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
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