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They saved Obama's bill; can he save their seats?

Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:13 PM EDT
politics, health, us, barack-obama, democrats, overhaul, vulnerable
Philip Elliott, Associated Press
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<p>FILE - In this Aug. 17, 2009 file photo, rep. Tom Perriello, D-Va., gestures during a town hall meeting on health care reform in Fork Union, Va. They helped President Barack Obama deliver his health care overhaul. Now, dozens of Democrats will inevitably be imperiled by the health care vote in an environment where emotions are raw and few are undecided after the divisive debate.  (AP Photo/Steve Helber, File)</p>

FILE - In this Aug. 17, 2009 file photo, rep. Tom Perriello, D-Va., gestures during a town hall meeting on health care reform in Fork Union, Va. They helped President Barack Obama deliver his health care overhaul. Now, dozens of Democrats will inevitably be imperiled by the health care vote in an environment where emotions are raw and few are undecided after the divisive debate. (AP Photo/Steve Helber, File)

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WASHINGTON — Their votes helped deliver President Barack Obama's health care overhaul. Now, dozens of Democrats are politically imperiled in a contentious environment where emotions are raw and likely to remain so.

Obama plans to use his political heft — and the momentum of victory — to try to prop up lawmakers who stuck with him during the final days that turned the controversial legislation into the law of the land.

They'll surely need his help.

Despite euphoria in some quarters after Tuesday's bill signing, opponents kept up their vehement objections to Obama's plan and those who supported it.

A Virginia blog published what it said was the home address for Rep. Tom Perriello, a first-term Democrat who won election by just 745 votes in 2008 as Obama carried his state. The neighboring VA 6th District Tea Party Watchdogs blog urged readers to pay Perriello a visit.

In Arizona, authorities said vandals broke a glass door Monday morning at the Tucson office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a top election target of the GOP.

"Giffords is toast," said Tucson tea party leader Trent Humphries. "She's going to have a lot of problems, especially since she has some really good candidates running against her."

In Ohio, Republican challenger Jim Renacci raised $50,000 in mere days while Democratic Rep. John Boccieri mulled over how he would vote on the health bill. He wound up voting for the overhaul; Renacci raised an additional $10,000 immediately.

"John Boccieri and his Democratic colleagues have pursued a failed agenda in Washington while ignoring the will of their constituents at home, and now the American people are fighting back — with their voices, their votes and their wallets," said James Slepian, campaign manager for Renacci.

These cases — and scores like them — underscore why White House aides have drawn up an intensive calendar to help vulnerable allies defend a vote that was, in many cases, against their own political interests. Obama promised wavering Democrats, primarily moderates in conservative-leaning districts and states, that they wouldn't be left standing alone if they cast the tough "yes" votes.

To help sway the public, Obama planned a trip to Iowa on Thursday for his first beyond-Washington event to promote the legislation after its passage. He planned a midday speech in Iowa City, a college town in a district served by Democratic Rep. Dave Loebsack, who was a "yes" vote for the bill.

In all, 17 Democrats who sided with Obama are seeking re-election in districts that Republican presidential candidate John McCain won in 2008. They include top GOP targets Perriello in Virginia, Betsy Markey in Colorado, Harry Mitchell in Arizona and Suzanne Kosmas in Florida. One other moderate Democrat now running for the Senate — Brad Ellsworth in Indiana — voted for the measure, too. He's facing a difficult race in a right-tilting state as Democrats seek to hang onto the seat now held by retiring Sen. Evan Bayh.

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, McCain's 2008 vice presidential running mate, asked her supporters to help target those races.

"We're going to hold them accountable for this disastrous Obamacare vote," Palin wrote on her Facebook page.

Losing the health care vote didn't seem to take any of the steam out of conservative activists.

"Now they're even more fired up," said Rose Pugliese, 31, an attorney in Palisade, Colo., a tea party member who wants to see the defeat of Democratic Rep. John Salazar, who backed the overhaul and represents a district that voted for McCain.

"They're now on one mission — to get Salazar," she said.

Not just Salazar. The tea party movement plans to rally in the district of Rep. Bart Stupak, the Michigan Democrat who led anti-abortion opposition to the bill but eventually supported it. Although Stupak won re-election in 2008 with 65 percent of the vote, his critics plan three rallies against him on April 8 and 9.

Even lawmakers who didn't vote for the overhaul are having to answer for their party's signature issue — and could well feel its electoral burden.

South Dakota Rep. Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin was adamantly opposed to the health care measure, citing its costs and Democrats' methods in bringing the legislation to the floor of the House.

Nonetheless, Herseth-Sandlin can expect to own the vote if her opponents have any say. One potential foe, GOP congressional candidate Kriti Noem, released a statement within an hour of Sunday night's vote criticizing Democrats and seeking to link Herseth-Sandlin, whose South Dakota at-large seat makes her a perennial Republican target, to the health care vote.

Hours later, Herseth-Sandlin's office took the unusual step of issuing a fact sheet and additional background on the congresswoman's "no" vote in an effort to remind voters that she was opposed.

Feelings are strong on the other side, too.

In Ohio, a union representing about 25,000 hospital, nursing home, state and other workers said it would no longer work in support Rep. Zack Space, the only House Democrat from the state to vote "no" on the bill. The Service Employees International Union on Monday portrayed the vote as a betrayal by Space, who represents a conservative district in southeast Ohio.

And in New York, the labor-backed Working Families Party said it was talking to several candidates who might mount a "progressive" challenge to Rep. Michael Arcuri, one of the 34 Democrats who voted against the bill.

The WFP said a challenge was also a possibility for Democratic freshman Rep. Michael McMahon, who also cast his vote against the proposal.

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Associated Press Writers Jonathan J. Cooper in Phoenix, Kristen Wyatt in Denver, Thomas J. Sheeran and Meghan Barr in Cleveland, Doug Whiteman in Columbus, Ohio, Sara Kugler in New York, and Henry C. Jackson in Washington contributed to this report.

© 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Still American

Of course Mr. BO cannot save their seats. It is laughable. Mr. BO is going to also need some help come 2012. All the dems who were bribed and cowered to him will lose their jobs and their own lovely health care to boot.

  • 19 votes
#1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:44 PM EDT
dirtyharriet1010

I have already emailed and called my senators and representative and told them that they lost my vote.
BTW I am a registered Democrat for over 40 years.

  • 19 votes
#1.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT
Still American

3/4 of my family voted BO into office. They're all disgusted with the entire democratic party now. It's sad.

  • 17 votes
#1.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:03 PM EDT
pittdinggDeleted
sendlo

If their jobs were that precarious then I don't think voting against the bill would have helped. It would only have pissed off a bunch of their Dem constituents. I imagine a lot of those that voted against the bill will lose their jobs this election too.

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:20 PM EDT
determined0a1

One at the time, Boxer first and Barney second.

Boxer for her petulance and Barney for helping to sink the now in the street homeowners. Loans with no steady income was a recipe for disaster.

  • 13 votes
#1.5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:23 PM EDT
Tee360

I really thought the President could help things but he's just another crooked polititian. I will not vote for him again.

  • 14 votes
#1.6 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:41 PM EDT
TomMichigan1

AS long as Democrats Continue to keep their COOL and continue to Be honest,Voters will vote for them.....The hate and discontent and lies along with the Teapartyers will be The Republicans Waterloo(as demint would say)all the way to 2012...........

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:26 PM EDT
paxildog

Name a single honest politician in DC. Name one. Get ready to be roasted for anyone named. All are lairs at some time and the Dems have pounded the wrong group, the citizens of the United States, and we are angry. They will all be unemployed soon.

  • 8 votes
#1.8 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:33 PM EDT
TomMichigan1

lololololol I guess i should repeal part of that lolololo

Democrats are SAINTS compared to republicans!

Republicans have pounded the AMERICAN People for 8 years,

The table has turned........Deal with it.....Americans have been pissed for going on 9 years and much of it due to GOP!

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:18 PM EDT
TomMichigan1

Hail to OUR CHIEF! He is leveling the field so Americans can Dream the American dream once more!

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:23 PM EDT
Bummer of Oregon

Paxildog: Ron Paul?

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:07 PM EDT
SH-2000

Well said Tom!!!!

And THANK YOU Mr. President & the Dems who helped pass this bill!

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:36 PM EDT
authorondo

Obama is laughing. He might not think all is funny come November. Watch every Democrat take cover. It isn't going to work.

The names of every Democrat will be listed for exclusion. Election signs will leave out Democrat. Signs with Republican will be in full bloom. This will be the trend come November.

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:56 PM EDT
Ripley8

sad pathetic temper tantrum cons acting like 4 year olds. who then resort to violence when they can't get their way. boo hoo.

Keep your hankies ready for November. you'll be throwing a big old tantrum.

Poll: Health care plan gains favor

WASHINGTON — More Americans now favor than oppose the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds — a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against the legislation.

By 49%-40%, those polled say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms — as "enthusiastic" or "pleased" — while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm?csp=hf

Gallup poll: Americans actually like health care reform

http://www.examiner.com/x-15870-Populist-Examiner~y2010m3d24-Gallup-poll-Americans-actually-like-health-care-reform

now ...... between now and November. As this bill actually helps people ? Do you think that would make a win for cons who did nothing but obstruct it ?

like I said .. keep your hankies ready cons.

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:19 PM EDT
Ripley8

paxildog -

Dennis Kucinich , Al Frankin , Al Grayson ?? I'm sure there are others.

  • 1 vote
#1.15 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:21 PM EDT
Bummer of Oregon

Ripley, I can't believe I forgot about Al D:

    #1.16 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:21 PM EDT
    Carolyn-1144975

    Still American

    To your quote, God I hope so.

    • 1 vote
    #1.17 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:05 PM EDT
    tommymaybewrongmayberight

    @Tom. Honest and cool how have they been honest and cool with the american people. They used majors like reconcliation which were only suppose to be used on things that concern the budget to change 1/6th of the american economy. He said the whole ordeal would be on C-Span they weren't on C-span now were they. He also said they would post all of his bills for 5 days on the internet, this also did not happen. He lied to the american people and the american people are angry.

    And for the dems are saints compare to the republicans lets see what caused the republicans to loose. They spent to much money and diden't focus on issues important to american people. Lets see Obama so far it will take Obama less then 2 years to run up the same amount of debt Bush did. Also americans are worried about there jobs, there job security, and there ecnomy. After electing scott brown hoping that would wake Obama up to what issues we were concerned about he instead decided to use a dirty tatic to ram health care down are throats. And is next concern isen't about jobs, it's going to be illegal aliens. Yeah inless he gets help from 10 million illegal aliens voting for him it's going to be a disater for the dems this coming november.

    • 2 votes
    #1.18 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:06 AM EDT
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    mikkey

    In Ohio, a union representing about 25,000 hospital, nursing home, state and other workers said it would no longer work in support Rep. Zack Space, the only House Democrat from the state to vote "no" on the bill. The Service Employees International Union on Monday portrayed the vote as a betrayal by Space, who represents a conservative district in southeast Ohio.

    LMAO..... You think every single vote on this new law wasn't bought and paid for by Unions, Insurance Companies, Big Pharmaceutical Companies, and Medical Device Manufacturers?

    WOW Have some more Koolaide!!!

    AND ........ Just say no to crack!

    What a corrupt bunch of no good, greedy, lying, cheating, stealing Ba$tards! Both Republigoons AND Demorats!

    • 5 votes
    Reply#2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT
    Paddymurphy

    Who got paid what? All this talk of bribes and corruption is horse@!$%#. When a Senator tries to obtain concessions in a bill to protect his constituents, he is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Our Constitution was ratified this way. Where do you think the 3/5ths compromise came from. Southern delegates holding out their approval until they got what they wanted, more representation based on the number of slaves in their state. Our history is replete with examples of good legislation enacted only after vote trading and compromise. Identify a single supporter of this legislation who personally, not their state, personally who received a dime to support this bill. Senators and Congresspersons have a dual obligation: to look our for the interests of their constituents and to do what is good for the country as a whole. Where, as here, they can do both, great. Isn't that exaclty what Stupak did when he forced the inclusion in the house bill and in the executive order of language he favored regarding abortion. He was a hero to pro-lifers in November when he held out until he got what he wanted. Both parties do this and there is nothing wrong with it. Quit being so naive.

    • 5 votes
    #2.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:11 PM EDT
    mikkey

    I got your naive right here :)

    Did you even read my post? It says the Unions are not going to support him because of the way he voted.

    Now granted no money changed hands, but when someone or something has to bribe you to get you to vote the way they want........ that's were it is WRONG!

    • 4 votes
    #2.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:25 PM EDT
    Paddymurphy

    There were no bribes. Telling someone you will support them if they vote the way your or your organization wants and oppose them if they don't is DEMOCRACY. Telling them you will support them financially if they vote the way you think they should and will not if they do not is DEMOCRACY. Every congressperson who voted, whichever way they voted, will receive money for their campaigns from people who agree with them. The Republicans have raised over a million dollars with their fire Pelosi website, a brilliant move by Steele. Is that wrong? Is that corruption? If not, then why is it corrupt for those who support her to reward her for getting this passed with campaign contributions. The Republican Supreme Court just ruled that corporations can support or oppose any candidate with money, just like actual people. When congress tried to limit the influence of money in politics in the 1970's the Supreme Court said that that interefered with the first amendment rights of individuals, that giving money to support a candidate was protected expression. Do you have a problem with that? No, all you have a problem with is the outcome. Had it failed, those who voted against it would have been heroes to you, regardless of what they got to oppose it. That is utter hypocrisy. The most important motivating factor for everyone who voted, pro and con, was their own political leanings. There actually is a difference between what the parties beleive, you know. They both have honestly held views about the role of government in society, albeit different views. It has been that way for nearly one hundred years. You are echoing the same conservative bull@!$%# that was thrown at McKinley, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton. This president is no different in terms of what he believes the role of government should be than his predecessors and other democrats. The only difference that motivates some on the right to such heights of hysteria is as plain as the nose on his face, or at least the color of that nose. You guys lost to a black man with a muslim sounding name and a liberal congresswoman from San Francisco and you can't stand it. Get used to it, this is just the beginning.

    • 2 votes
    #2.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:44 PM EDT
    PivotalAxis

    follow the money :) both for and against the bill

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3590/money

    Big Pharma and Hospitals ... For the bill

    Associations and organizations representing Blue Collar Workers and Small Business Against

    per the money trail

    • 2 votes
    #2.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:50 PM EDT
    Paddymurphy

    Joe: Didn't you think anyone would follow the link. Here is who was in favor of the bill:
    Consumers Union
    Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America
    National Association of Community Health Centers
    American College of Physicians
    American Osteopathic Association
    American Heart Association
    American Academy of Pediatrics
    American Medical Association
    American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy
    Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids
    Service Employees International Union
    American Association of Retired Persons
    UAW
    International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers
    American Academy of Family Physicians
    association of schools of public health

    Organization representing doctors - not hospitals'; organizations representing blue collar workers; not their employers; groups representing consumers and community organizations; not corporate interests.

    Here who was against the bill:

    U.S. Chamber of Commerce
    National Retail Federation
    Eagle Forum
    International Franchise Association
    National Utility Contractors Association
    Associated General Contractors of America
    National Association of Home Builders
    National Automobile Dealers Association
    Automotive Recyclers Association
    National Federation of Independent Business
    National Association of Manufacturers
    National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors
    American Hotel and Lodging Association
    National Association of Health Underwriters
    American Bakers Association
    Christian Coalition of America
    Retail Industry Leaders Association
    International Foodservice Distributors Association
    National Lumber and Building Materials Dealers Association
    Society of American Florists
    National Roofing Contractors Association
    Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association
    Congress of Neurological Surgeons
    Society for Cardiovascular Angiography and Interventions
    American Rental Association
    American Society of Cataract and Refractive Surgery
    Communication Workers of America
    American Academy of Dermatology
    National Club Association
    America's Health Insurance Plans
    Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council
    American Association of Neurological Surgeons
    National Tooling and Machining Association
    Independent Electrical Contractors
    National Association of Convenience Stores
    American International Automobile Dealers Association
    Aeronautical Repair Station Association
    American Farm Bureau Federation
    Associated Builders and Contractors
    Associated Equipment Distributors
    Tire Industry Association
    American Association of Orthopaedic Surgeons
    Ohio State Medical Association
    National Association of Mortgage Brokers
    Service Station Dealers of America
    Printing Industries of America
    National Right To Life
    BlueCross BlueShield Association
    American Academy of Opthalmology
    american urological association
    coalition of state rheumatology organiztions
    Heart Rhythm Society
    national association of spine specialists
    the association for manufacturing techonology
    association of ship brokers and agents
    commercial photographers international
    International Housewares Association
    northeastern retail lumber association
    precision metalforming association
    self-insurance institute of america
    society of sport and event photographers
    the pga of america

    Employers, conservative activist groups, single issue groups and the largest single group of health insurers in the country, the Blue Cross/Blue Shield Association.

    You got it completely backwards. Groups that represent working men and women supported it and groups that represent corporations, health insurers and right wing interest groups were against.

    • 6 votes
    #2.5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:02 PM EDT
    PivotalAxis

    read the list carefully then go see what each of those organizations do and for whom.

    Then explain to me how the Big Pharma and the AMA is for the working class

    Then help me understand how the U.S. Chamber of Commerce the Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council, or American Bakers Association, precision metalforming association ... etc do not represent small business and workers.

    Better yet i see a list of associations representing doctors per specific field Opthalmology, Orthopaedic, Neurological, Dermatology... of course these do not represent the Doctors who actually do the work??? Their members are politicians out to screw the very same doctors they had the audacity to name their association after.

    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:24 PM EDT
    SH-2000

    Then explain to me how the Big Pharma and the AMA is for the working class

    Pharmaceuticals want Americans to continue to buy what they are selling & stop taking them as many without insurance have done.

    AMA? Lol, so you are saying the Dr.'s don't care if they have more customers/paitients or not & don't want to see people beable to pay them? Not to mention it's in the oath they took.

    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:42 PM EDT
    authorondo

    The insurance companies and their employees have much to fear. Obama is trying to take over these businesses. He's a socialist.

    • 3 votes
    #2.8 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:00 PM EDT
    PivotalAxis

    SH-200 ... The AMA provides Licensing to Doctors they are also the ones who take it away...they are more geared toward policies procedures to help Large Hospitals by standardizing delivery of health care then individual doctors.

    would you agree or disagree with this assessment?

      #2.9 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:14 PM EDT
      Ripley8

      authorondo

      The insurance companies and their employees have much to fear. Obama is trying to take over these businesses. He's a socialist.

      excuse me madam ... you seemed to have dropped your tin foil hat.

      • 3 votes
      #2.10 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:24 PM EDT
      mikkey

      It's useless Joe 1701833.........

      Ever try to carry a conversation on with a 5 year old? That's about the same thing as here.

      We are going to be hit with higher tax's and bigger government, and the people smarter than us don't quite comprehend that the government has never been in charge of anything that wasn't over budget, under estimated, and just a total cluster.

      When you and I hear the CBO's "predictions" on how this is going to reduce the deficit, you and I say " isn't a prediction like forecasting the weather....aren't they wrong 50 percent of the time??"

      They think WOW this is going to insure everyone AND save the USA money WOOTWOOT sign me up.

      • 2 votes
      #2.11 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:45 PM EDT
      Paddymurphy

      Joe: Seriously? The list of opponents are industry organizations. The consruction industry associations represent workers and the Bricklayers and Allied Craftsmen doesn't? You do your argument no good by simply misrepresenting the facts. This bill was supported by most unions, by family physicians, by community health centers and other community based organizations who provide heallth care directly to millions of Americans. The physicians who oppose it are in the highest paid specialties, where much of the increased cost of health care comes from. This bill was supported by those groups that traditionally support democrats and opposed by those that traditionally support Republicans. The Eagle Forum? Phyllis Schafly? Can you get any more extreme than this anti woman relic from the 80s. There good arguments against this bill. You should spend some time figuring out what they are and stop posting silly and untrue claims trying to suggest that this bill is somehow not supported by those who will be helped the most, the average middle class working person.

        #2.12 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:01 PM EDT
        PivotalAxis

        so tell me Paddymurphy how does a person earning 36k a year afford Health Insurance after everday expenses like Rent, Food, Utilities ...etc.

        I would really like to see this budget, because i have been there and know that raising a family in California on 36k a year is not exactly the easiest thing in the world. i sure as heck was not getting handouts and I was working 12-14 hour days.

        I know explaining the above to an IRS agent is not going to do much good, so help me understand how to come up with the extra 6500 dollars a year to insure my family per this new LAW.

        • 1 vote
        #2.13 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:18 AM EDT
        Paddymurphy

        Have you paid attention at all the last year? According to the opponents of this bill, you are a lazy deadbeat who could afford health insurance if you only worked as hard as they have. This bill provides subsidies to you and to your employer to make health insurance coverage more affordable. By the way, who is insuring your family now? I and millions of others are through tax dollars and increased insurance premiums. This bill simply requires those who have the ability to pay for health insurance to do so. Those who can't pay the whole cost, will be eligible for subsidies or may find coverage available through an employer who will also receive help. Some like you may, because of the raising of the income limits, become eligible for medical assistance. The whole purpose of this bill is to help people like you obtain health insurance coverage. That has been lost in all of the false rhetoric from the right who view hard working Americans like you as losers because you haven't achieved the American dream like they have. I cannot understand how you could be on their side in this.

          #2.14 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:07 AM EDT
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          Old VC

          All the States Tax revenue are in the Red and falling. There is no way to not have State lay offs and services cut backs. This massive we are talking 40% reduction are coming to California and New York State.

          Knowing this I (see above) There is going to be a massive something wicked this way comes happening this year.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT
          goddess724

          I hope they are all happy (Dems who voted yes) with their decision. Cracking under the pressure....wow, that is someone I want rep. me. Stupak is so spineless. Shame on him for turning his back on all the unborn babies who will now get killed because of him. He KNOWS that Obama is for abortions. Dictators usually are and Obummer has made no secret of it.

          My vote will express my complete outrage and anger at the Dems, at Obama, at the Fed who should not even exist, Pelosi who is the strangest woman in the world (I know she has to be on drugs) and Dirty Harry Ried and all the rest of em'.

          Did anyone notice that the government, at the last minute, excluded themselves from having to get the same insurance as we all will get. They will maintain thier current insurance. What a bunch of scumbag illitist.

          • 7 votes
          Reply#4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT
          TomMichigan1

          Democrats who where elected(FOR A REASON) to get a health care bill (as they have done) should be Honored,their is nothing MORE Humane then giving people of all walks of life,Health.......I say you either (AS A MINORITY) go and do your jobs as you were elected to do in good faith or in the fall you will be voted out! i just hope that as Republicans lay their heads on their pillows and think about all the DEVISION they have created by turning lose Right Wing extremist and LUNATICS!

          • 3 votes
          #4.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
          authorondo

          Rep. Bart Stupek must look the voters in the eye. He had trouble raising his head as he gave his victory speech. An angel of God will take him out when its his turn to be elected.

          Bart Stupek is a marked man.

          • 1 vote
          #4.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:04 PM EDT
          Ripley8

          let's cut pork from the DOD ... like mercenaries. black projects. nation building and health care we pay for in Iraq. then our health care could get a great boost.

          cut that welfare to corporations that cost tax payers 3 x as much as welfare paid socially. collect those taxes that corporations don't pay.

          we'd find health care paid for !

          • 1 vote
          #4.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:27 PM EDT
          Ripley8

          "Study: Bush tax cuts costs twice as much as dem's healthcare plan"

          by susie madrak/crooks and liars.com

          here:http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/study-bush-tax-cuts-cost-more-twice-m

          • 2 votes
          #4.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:38 PM EDT
          Carolyn-1144975

          goddess724, you are so very right!

            #4.5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:10 PM EDT
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            angryirish

            Let's ask the big 800lb question in the room.

            Did these politicians actually represent the people who put them in office, or was the vote they cast a way to make a name for themselves within their parties? If they did what they should have, and cast their vote as the voice of their constituancy, they have nothing to worry about. If, however, their vote was a way to mark themselves as good little party soldiers then they should be worried, and nothing obama says should save them from being voted out at the next election.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT
            sendlo

            Well said. No matter which way they voted, I hope they voted with their constituents in mind, especially the ones that voted them into office.

              #5.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:23 PM EDT
              Buckeye Voter

              Why would you think that voting in accordance with their platform would be something other than representing their voters?

              • 1 vote
              #5.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:35 PM EDT
              believe anything

              that was a great 800lb question and answer...guess we will see come November:) so far with the way the elections have gone so far this year..it will certainly be intresting.

                #5.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:57 PM EDT
                Ripley8

                from Dennis Kucinich - who was voting no until the last moment.

                ....My decision came last Tuesday morning. There's a place where I go in the Capitol, just to kind of reflect - before I have to make very important decisions. It's in the rotunda - right next to Lincoln's statue. It's just a bench. And I went over there early Tuesday morning, about seven in the morning when the sun was just coming up, and no one else was around - there wasn't a sound in the Capitol at that moment in the morning. And I just sat down there in a quiet place and thought about this decision. And that's literally where I made up my mind that, notwithstanding how much there was in the bill that I didn't like, that I had a higher responsibility to my constituents, to the nation, to my president and his presidency, to step forward and say, "We must pass this bill. And we must use this bill as an opening toward a renewed effort for a more comprehensive approach to health care reform." ...

                When it comes to analyzing the law we've just passed, it's hard to use terms like good or bad. Because ultimately what was decisive for me was not the bill, but rather the potential to create an opening for a more comprehensive approach toward health care reform. If the bill were to go down, this whole discussion about anything we might hope to do in health care in the future is not going to happen in this generation. We had to wait sixteen years after the demise of the Clinton plan to come to this moment. And the angst that members are feeling about this bill - the temperature that's been raised in the body politic over this bill, the characterizations of the bill in a debate that's been quite distorted - all of those things argue against bringing up another health care bill in the near future if this bill were to go down.

                Well I had to consider that. Because I have to take responsibility for that. ...

                http://www.esquire.com/the-side/qa/dennis-kucinich-health-care-bill-032210

                • 1 vote
                #5.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:30 PM EDT
                determined0a1

                p.s. I took a ride on AF-1 and the deal was closed.

                • 2 votes
                #5.5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:09 PM EDT
                Ripley8

                you must not be able to read determined..... and another child left behind.You might want to apply for a job at faux news !

                  #5.6 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:15 PM EDT
                  goddess724

                  If Stupak (aka Stupid) had voted in the direction of his constituents, he would not have voted the way he did.

                  He is now seen as the person who (along with the Stupak 4) just gave the American people the rawest deal ever, after of course, the election of Obama.

                  When a republican votes against something, it is because HIS contituents want it that way. When a democrat votes FOR something, it is because they think they know better than their constituents. This is another money grab. Next will be Cap n Trade and Financial Reform, both do nothing but money-grab from Americans. I hope someone will READ a BILL before they sign it. Of course, signing an unread piece of paper is what GOT America into this financial mess, at the prompting of Fannie May and Freddie and all the companies who had people sign on to mortgages so that THEY could get the commission of that sale under their belt. Without regard to the family who just bought on to something that will never be sustainable for that family. Money hungry and against all good conscience.

                  And it is still going on. Obama is a thief and an occupier of the White House. Someone needs to get him dismissed.

                    #5.7 - Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:04 AM EDT
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                    SirAce79

                    It is not the job of politicians to bow to every whim of their constituents. Especially when those whims are fueled by fact-lacking rhetoric.

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#6 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:02 PM EDT
                    mikkey

                    NO but it IS their job to do what the majority in their district that they represent wants them to do!

                    If they aren't doing that for you then VOTE THEM OUT!

                    • 4 votes
                    #6.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:06 PM EDT
                    CottonEyeJoeDeleted
                    Buckeye Voter

                    NO but it IS their job to do what the majority in their district that they represent wants them to do!

                    What makes you think they did not?

                    • 3 votes
                    #6.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:36 PM EDT
                    Still American

                    Interesting thought process there. Sounds like Obama's mentality ... I, the leader of your country know what is best for you. You poor uneducated Americans.

                    No. I'm sorry, but it is the job of our leaders of Congress to listen to the majority of their constituents. This did not happen. Now, the leaders of Congress who did not listen will have to listen when we, the people, vote them on down the road.

                    • 4 votes
                    #6.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:37 PM EDT
                    SirAce79

                    And that's fine. Let them be voted out if that's what their constituents feel they need to do. However, I disagree that politicians need to do what the majority of their constituents want them to do at every turn. That would be like a boss hiring someone to manage a department yet overruling every decision the manager makes. You either trust the people you hire to make decisions or you'll breed dysfunction. Granted, if the manager screws up every decision, the boss will have to get a new manager. But, unless the politician is making a decision that runs contrary to the platform upon which s/he was elected, we have to allow them to make their best decisions without chastising them for not allowing every poll to decide every issue.

                    I haven't read the health care bill and neither have most of the folks screaming "socialism" at the top of their lungs. I also bet some of those screaming "socialism" are those who voted for pro-health care candidates.

                    There is no perfect health care reform because there are too many folks in bitter opposition to each other that think they, themselves, know what the perfect plan entails. Yet the fact remains that as contentious as this reform process has been, had it not passed this time, no one would touch it for 30 years. And that would be quite imprudent.

                    • 4 votes
                    #6.5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:39 PM EDT
                    mikkey

                    Buckeye,

                    Because if they had it would not have passed.

                    I usually don't believe polls, but EVERY poll everywhere said more that 50 % were against this bill. NOT health care reform, but this bill (now law).

                    • 3 votes
                    #6.6 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:40 PM EDT
                    Buckeye Voter

                    I usually don't believe polls, but EVERY poll everywhere said more that 50 % were against this bill. NOT health care reform, but this bill (now law).

                    So politicians should run public opinion polls and vote accordingly? Really? Is that how you think government ought to work? That's nutty.

                    Should they have followed the poll of the bill's elements that showed overwhelming support for the content of the HCR bill? Should they have voted according to the polls released on the eve of the vote that showed more support than dissent over the HCR bill? What about the current polls that show even greater support for the law?

                    • 1 vote
                    #6.7 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:50 PM EDT
                    TomMichigan1

                    Mikkey >polls change everytime someone sneeze's, the lattest pole shows that people want Health Care, It also shows that people are OPTIMISTIC that this bill is a start to something much better in the future....Many good things that democrats wanted in this bill were stripped out when they were Trying to get republicans on board....We ALL know what has been said.... we all know who said it..........we will all be Healthyer For IT!

                    • 3 votes
                    #6.8 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:45 PM EDT
                    believe anything

                    Tom I hope you are right and this bill is the beginning of something much better in the future. and I hope thisis not a stepping stone for anarchy, because if there is another financial failure, people in this country are not only going to be going homeless,and no health care,no jobs.. but hungry..and hungry people, no matter how healthy get awfully dangerous..and they never really tried to get the Republicans on board...A bill that would affect every man,woman and child for the rest of their life and they couldn't work on it long enough to get even one bi-partisan vote and members of their own party voted against it.

                    Just because this Congress passed a bill and this President signed it doesn't make it a good bill...but yeeehawwww I do love to watch Congress go at it...It's so American:)

                      #6.9 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:09 PM EDT
                      mikkey

                      Buckeye....Read the entire post. For God's sakes, I didn't say they should base it off the polls, here let me bring it here for you to read.

                      NO but it IS their job to do what the majority in their district that they represent wants them to do!

                      That's what I said. That's how the whole thing came up.

                      And Tom:

                      I usually don't believe polls, but EVERY poll everywhere said more that 50 % were against this bill. NOT health care reform, but this bill (now law).

                      It states right there that I usually don't believe polls.

                      I'm glad you guys think this is a swell idea, and Newsvine is a great place for discussion from both sides. I for one don't like any more government in my life than I already have, and that means Federal, State and County.

                      I also don't like any more tax's taken from me, even if it is to help other people.

                      I volunteer a LOT of time to a local organization, if everyone else did it would be a much better place. But that would mean no more lame excuses and actually missing Opra or football to help other people. Something that most don't want to do. I don't see these people getting out at all hours of the day or night to help, like I do.

                      That's basically the same way I feel about the health care reform, maybe if some would work like us and earn insurance instead of wanting it given to them then it would be a much better place, like I have said in past post, if ya feed a stray cat, it keeps coming back for more.

                      I was not born to mooch, it's not in my blood. Which as you are well aware of happens ALL the time, on government programs. Just like this one will.

                      It is doing me no good to discuss a point that you guys (or gals) feel is good for you. That's great, I don't like the idea. So I am going to let it be at that. Have a good evening

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.10 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:23 PM EDT
                      Ripley8

                      Still American

                      Interesting thought process there. Sounds like Obama's mentality ... I, the leader of your country know what is best for you. You poor uneducated Americans.

                      No. I'm sorry, but it is the job of our leaders of Congress to listen to the majority of their constituents. This did not happen. Now, the leaders of Congress who did not listen will have to listen when we, the people, vote them on down the road.

                      and the majority of the US was against the Iraq war for how many years ? a war based on lies .... Bush didn't seem to care . he was after all ' the decider.'

                        #6.11 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:34 PM EDT
                        Still American

                        I didn't think Bush should invade Iraq. I never said Republicans were perfect. In fact, I never mentioned Republicans at all. What I did say is that Obama thinks he knows better than the rest of us. At least Bush listened to his intelligence advisors. It is sad how that situation has played out, but Bush didn't come out on some big ego trip like Obama has. Obama has made it abundantly clear that he is not for the people. He is for himself. The wool has been taken off the wolf.

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.12 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:48 PM EDT
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                        aliveinsd

                        Yes. Voters should have had placed brains in-gear on that sad November day in 2009. Just pickin'any one because they were on the ballot......no.

                        It's true that the choices were slim.....but honesty folks....couldn't you see this coming? Your vote (inclusive of fraudulent votes) stuck and continued to burn long after the votes were counted, didn't it? And for those House members that voted against the will of the vast majority of their constituencies? Well, stick a fork in those folks, 'cause they be done!

                        Ladies and gentlemen of the House: Just smile and wave as you kiss your jobs, "goodbye."

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#7 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:03 PM EDT
                        nedflanders

                        While it is good to expand coverage, and prevent folks from being denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions, it is delusional to think this law is going to control health care expenditures.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#8 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:05 PM EDT
                        NHFishercat

                        I won't be voting for ANY (D) for the next two elections. Then I will go back to voting in an independent fashion.

                        I never, ever, want to see another partisan bill with this much impact EVER being enacted again. There is NO way one party (and I mean NO party) should EVER be able to impose this much law (mandating health insurance and paying into yet another entitlement program) on the US citizens.

                        Congress needs to be more balanced, to much power was given to the liberals and they have run amok with that power. Bills of this magnitude NEED to be bipartisan.

                        I don't really like to vote down a party line, but the (D) party needs to be removed from power.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#9 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:07 PM EDT
                        believe anything

                        right on!

                        • 1 vote
                        #9.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:59 PM EDT
                        Carolyn-1144975

                        Absolutely!!!!

                          #9.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:15 PM EDT
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                          goddess724

                          Oh and another thing....they were using that little boy as their prop during the signing...well, guess what they forgot to put in the bill.....DUH...they forgot to include instant access to healthcare for children with pre-existing conditions. So, all their smoke blowing up anyone's ass was just that.

                          They are so incompetent. They are not qualified to run things the way that they are, much less to try to change absolutely everything. What a mess this will be! What a mess.

                          I will say it again cause it is allowing me to vent my anger.......I am really really pissed off that Obama is in office and I am really pissed off that he manipulated and lied to all of us so that he COULD get elected.
                          He is not a f*ckin' Democrat and he will tell you so. He is a Progressive. He wouldnt say that during the election period but he does now. And so does Hillary Clinton.

                          Google the term "Progressive" and you will see how close it is to Socialist/Marxist/Communist. This is exactly what people were claiming of Obama before the election but the kiss ass news stations that I WAS watching at the time (CNN, MSNBC) made no effort to look into these claims and dismissed it.

                          Now MSNBC and CNN are notorious for NOT saying one bad thing about Obummer. They are kissing his butt big time and no one can figure out why. Maybe if they changed their tune toward the truth, they would have to admit how far off the mark they were during the election!!! So, they just keep kissin' up and maybe there is a kickback for those news=stations from Obama.

                          He bribes and pays off and strong arms everyone else so why not MSNBC and CNN. ABC and CBS are not any better. They all report on this presidency as if there is nothing wrong. UGH.....

                          VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE THE DEMS OUT IN NOVEMBER!!!!

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#10 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:07 PM EDT
                          TomMichigan1

                          99 % of what you just said is total BS at its finest..............and people know it!

                          • 2 votes
                          #10.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:48 PM EDT
                          Carolyn-1144975

                          goddess724 YES YES YES

                            #10.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:15 PM EDT
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                            matastophales

                            Well i can sure as heck state that i wont voting for any of those liberal pukes! I was really hoping this health care crap would have been stalled until after Nov. There is no chance it would have passed had that happened. Gonna be some major house cleaning this year.....

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#11 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:08 PM EDT
                            Shirley Draeger

                            I think those that felt they knew best, got money from a union or another entity or liked the back door deals given and didn't listen to THEIR constituents deserve to lose their jobs. Clearly there were mixed reviews county to county, state to state but most polls, even those over at CNN and MSNBC showed the majority of the people didn't like this process and had serious concerns about this bill that will have such a huge reach. It was like they were all on crack and had to do it now before they fell off the wagon. That is the way to vote on a bill as important as this? No, people have a bad taste. There is a collective sigh of relief that nightly, hourly we will not listen to this blabber. But the continuation of our government against the people they work for as "teabags" and right wing nut jobs is just not wise. We have no idea what is all in this bill or what the real world ramifications are going to be. I'm trying to get by the Federal Government making it law inside a Federal Health Care Reform Bill that restaurants of a certain type must post, in a specific manner, information about the food. Really? Oh just wait until the government actually does run the health care. Tax on tanning booths, an additional burden on restaurants, this is just the beginning. I'm thinking this isn't what our forefathers had in mind! Free People should be able to decide what they can eat.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#12 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:10 PM EDT
                            mikkey

                            Exactly!

                            • 1 vote
                            #12.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:12 PM EDT
                            Paddymurphy

                            What do you mean, didn't listen to their constituents? Every single congressperson and Senator had constituents on both sides of this debate. Every poll showed that the country was divided between those that wanted this bill, those that didn't want it because it was not liberal enough and those that didn't want it because it was too liberal. The largest group were those who wanted this bill. It was a centrist bill that incorporated many Republican ideas, both from the current bunch of Republicans and from earlier attempts to reform health care. This bill has a hell of a lot more in common with what the Republicans proposed in 1994 that it does with the Clinton bill. The process they followed was exactly what the founding fathers prescribed, a majority vote. Keep believing what Fox and its minions in the Republican party. You people are in for such a rude awakening over the next couple of years as the party of today and tomorrow leave the party of yesterday in the dust. I got a newsflash for you. Ronald Reagan is still dead and pretty much sucked as President.

                            • 1 vote
                            #12.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:21 PM EDT
                            Shirley Draeger

                            55% against and 38% for isn't a majority. Polls from the entire spectrum however Rassmussen is usually the most accurate, asks the most pertinent questions, etc. and those were the results. Again PaddyMurphy, before you have a stroke, read what I said. The process was more troublesome than the bill that many didn't even know what it said. Did I say anything about Reagan? And the name calling and acting like you are superior is not a way to win friends and influence people. I guess the elections will be the test kitchen.

                            • 2 votes
                            #12.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:37 PM EDT
                            Paddymurphy

                            Take a look at polls on polling report and the other sites that compile them. Look at polls that asked those who opposed it why they opposed it. About a third of the opponents said that they did so because it did not go far enough. These were the liberals, like Kucinich, who wanted a public option or single payer. Every poll that went beyond simply support or oppose showed this. Look at the polls from the Kaiser Family Foundation and others who asked people about the components of the plan. Overwhelming approval for the components. Look at the polls that asked about support for the more liberal approach of a public optionl. Majority support for a public option in every poll. You take the one poll with the most favorable outcome for your position, a polling company with conserative ties, and it becomes holy writ. And what problems were there with the process? What don't you like about the manner that the framers of the constitution devised for enacting legislation? The majority vote part? The part where the popularly elected President has to sign it into law? The mantra that noone knew what was in the bill is utter fabrication. The components of this bill have been bouncing around Washington for thirty years. Some of what was in the bill was taken from Republican proposals in 1993 and 1994 offered to counter Clinton's bill. Do you think that they just started from scratch and jotted notes on a bar napkin. Hundreds of experts in the field, representatives of all interested parties, have been working on proposals to address the problems in the health care delivery system and some of those ideas are what went into this legislatoin. Do you really think that the Senators or Congresspersons on either side sat down at a keyboard and punched this out? What is in this law is the product of thousands working tens of thousands of hours over the last thirty years trying to find out what works, just like the Republican alternatives were arrived at honestly and through hard work. The difference is that we won the last two elections. We get to make these decisiosn now. That is how democracy works. Finally, where did I call you a name?

                              #12.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:01 PM EDT
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                              pittdinggDeleted
                              Simon Templar-791084

                              lol , simply ridiculous.

                                Reply#14 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:16 PM EDT
                                stk65

                                Not if I have anything to do with it. Will do everything in my power to insure that those who voted for the bill are no longer in congress come Jan 2011. Hope Obama does try to help them...his recent track record hasn't been that great...couldn't even swing the olympics for Chicago. My hope is that about 70% + of the voting population votes this Nov. Am willing to let the "chips fall where they may." We would be able to see if conservatism is truly dead....as has been proclaimed in the "Vine" in recent months. In the words of the Japanese admiral (Pearl Harbor) the left "may have merely awaken a sleeping giant."

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#15 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:19 PM EDT
                                Simon Templar-791084

                                I actually had to come back to this particular blog, this is a comment I made on another blog but it covers the big issue, "political partisanship" and it's impact on just having a clear thinking agenda for the average american.

                                Now let's get down the political truth behind the outrage. It is absolutely no secret that Health Care opposition in the legislative branch is driven by money. The greatest rouse in the history of our country is the one that has people like yourself believing it's about socialism, or nobody wants it, or it is fiscally bad for the country. When in actuality it's about the power and influence the Health Care industry has over our governments legislative branch. I have worked on the hill as a lobbyist for a major industry and I can personally tell you about the repeated luncheons, family perks, huge donations to some obscure fund, or not for profit pact set up by a greedy congressman like "The Blue Air Society Foundation for Saving Seeing" lol I am being facetious of course... but some of these organizations are plain stupid, silly, have no agenda and even though you will not find that congress person's name on any of the foundations coporate documents,,, there is usually a crony who is set up to run it that is able to funnel that money right back into the pocket of the legislator. NOW THAT IS EXACTLY HOW THIS WORKS !!.. I've seen it.. been a part of it... and still disgusted by it. The industry I worked for had about a 500 million dollar annual budget , 80 percent of it was in the form of charitable donations, all of it to change, shape or affect that senator or congressman's opinion on pending legislation. Now what if I were to tell you the health care lobby has a bigger budget and sinks a larger portion of thier budget into charitble donations. Does that at all make any sense to you? Funny thing is for as smart and aware as the American public professes to be... we all cannot even see that we are being lead to slaughter by unjust people who do not truly speak for the constituency that they represent... so to cover the fact that their votes are paid for, they cook up outrage, they buzzword bills with the tag of "socialism",, "big government"... the friggin list goes on.. and never stops because they know unequivocally there will be saps, who eat it up with a spoon in the interest of partisanship and will not dig any further.

                                So what does political partisanship have to do with health care legislation... the answer is .. Everything!!. The greatest power anyone can have over you, is the ability to shape your opinion... don't give it away so easily.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#16 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:22 PM EDT
                                CottonEyeJoeDeleted
                                bob-1478320

                                I feel there are a great many problems in America that could use the wisdom and experience Obama brings to the table to fix once and for all for all Americans. I, for one would like Obama to focus like a laser on one of the great social and moral injustices in our country. The problem of height inequality. People over 6' tall seem to be more successful than shorter people. They are first in line for jobs,promotions etc. I mean even in the military what job do they give short people- Tunnel rats. This is an issue I think Obama could really sink his teeth in and make a genuine differnce. What good is taking a lot of money away from successful people and giving it to his supporters if they are still facing the agony of height discrimination?

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#18 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:26 PM EDT
                                sinbadthewannabesailor

                                Bob.....your post deserves an award!!!!!!

                                • 2 votes
                                #18.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:30 PM EDT
                                bob-1478320

                                Thanks it took a lot of thinking to find an issue where his experience could make a real difference

                                • 2 votes
                                #18.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:36 PM EDT
                                Still American

                                I'm still laughing!

                                • 2 votes
                                #18.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:39 PM EDT
                                believe anything

                                that was awesome. thanks for the laugh!

                                • 1 vote
                                #18.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:03 PM EDT
                                tempted

                                Bob, i think you hit the nail on the head.. thanks for the laugh.. now if only others will support this. who knows.. we may be able to find something Obama is actually qualified to do... rise up short people

                                  #18.5 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:20 PM EDT
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                                  capedmeanigerDeleted
                                  sinbadthewannabesailor

                                  The one thing that is good to me as a fiscal conservative is the instant fallout from this incredibly brazen abuse of power and the Constitution. Its good to read that loyal Democrats are seeing through what these people are and what they have done. Its also amusing to click a couple of pages over on Newsvine and see the Obama hopefuls gloating and taking their potshots....Enjoy it while you can kiddies!!!

                                  November is coming!!!!!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#20 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:28 PM EDT
                                  tyler

                                  9 deleted, capedmeaniger living down to their display name:

                                  Goodbye and good ridance you n!gger lovers.

                                  Banned.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #20.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT
                                  Ripley8

                                  I see the real talking voice of the right has been banned. Says what others are thinking .

                                  keep those hankies handy for November cons. think your crying now ?

                                    #20.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:18 PM EDT
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                                    WatchTheOtherHand

                                    I admit I usually don't bother voting in the midterm elections, but I SURE will be this time. Its become quite evident that Obama is leading the Democratic party FAR to the left and I won't just sit by this time and watch them continue to wipe out everything that made this country great.

                                    Sure, we will probably just be voting in the next wave of thieves and miscreants, but at least maybe we will instill a small bit of fear back into our "representatives", so that they may actually once again actually represent us, instead of their political party. Small chance I know, but what can you really expect from the ever-growing tyranny that is our government.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#21 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:31 PM EDT
                                    orange-756308

                                    Explain what is so tyrannical about the bill. I must know.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #21.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:10 PM EDT
                                    PivotalAxis

                                    Orange for anyone making between 28K-50k a year gross, to suddenly be required to purchase Health insurance on top of their everyday expense like rent, food, transportation utilities, car insurance, clothing... etc. it has the potential of being a draconian.

                                    However i feel the discussion as to whether or not they can afford health insurance will be held between this poor person and the IRS agent assigned to their case.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #21.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:02 PM EDT
                                    WatchTheOtherHand

                                    Orange, if the commerce clause of the Constitution is ruled that the Federal government can force a citizen of the United States to purchase a product from a privately owned company, that opens up a WHOLE new level of political corruption and loss of personal freedom.

                                    There would then be NOTHING different legally from then mandating that citizens only purchase cars from government owned automakers, doing business in government owned banks. This goes way beyond the typical power to tax citizens and then use the money for government business, they are FORCING people under penalty of imprisonment to spend their own private resources on goods on things the government deems of value.

                                    THAT IS THE SINGLE LARGEST LOSS OF FREEDOM THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN! EVER!

                                    Anyone claiming anything differently is plainly lying or a fool.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #21.3 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:15 AM EDT
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                                    Simon Templar-791084

                                    Wow capedmeaniger you have some serious personal issues there. lol

                                    Nonetheless, even the way this question was couched is misleading. Truth be told this is not O'bama's bill, it was carefully drafted by congressional members and if you remember carefully there was much political manuevering around the public option. Just so happens it was taken off the table because people feared thier own re-election might be in jeopardy. Once again I have to plaguerise myself, to make this point.

                                    I would even argue further, that this so called "Two Party" system is archaic. For in as much as the outrageous fringes of the Republican party smack of ignorance, bigotry ( and capedmeanger is wreaking with it ) lol , and intolerance, the far left tries too hard to please everybody and ends up pleasing no one. What is ultimately really sad is that we are relegated to choose one party for another, when they are both guilty of holding our political process hostage for either personal gain, to advance the agenda of the platform base, or political positioning for the next election. In fact the entire goal for a senator or congressperson, is to get re-elected. Think about it, Senators make roughly 200K, Congress members 180K, and they shake hands, hob knob, get perks, have some measure of power and prestige..... doesn't that sound like a great job to you? And just what would you be willing to do to keep it ? lmao... So I have long since given up on seeing anything noble or righteous about our government official's terms, nor productivity while in office. Once upon a time this country did elect people who were passionate about an opinion, and who cared more about building a better nation through good public service, not who to please, how to please them, and what to say just to get re-elected. Not just money has corrupted our governmental system, but a dishonest representation of the true idealistic nature of public service.

                                    There are NO legitimate political parties in my mind.. and in fact.. I think our politics should be "issue driven". In some cases I could be liberal, on other issues or cases I could be conservative, just depends on my opinion of the issue and how it personally impacts my life. How about we create a new party called "Me-ocrats"... and get this.. we no longer follow the leadership of a broader group.... but we follow our own minds.

                                    Isn't that a novel concept?

                                      Reply#22 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:36 PM EDT
                                      mikkey

                                      Sounds to difficult for most individuals. If we had to follow most minds, we would all be watching Oprah and American Idol, those are the most important things in life.

                                      Like sheep walking off a cliff, one right after the other.....

                                      Great post though!

                                        #22.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:48 PM EDT
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                                        Twofox

                                        Hmmm... well I guess it's time to start calling him Marse'Bama

                                          Reply#23 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:31 PM EDT
                                          Snookie-1713745

                                          ACORN can save the seats, perhaps?

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                                          Reply#24 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:17 PM EDT
                                          vandamm1

                                          These fools that were on capital hill last week did not even know what they are protesting about....all you fools have been brainwashed from the news media and the negative jargon presented to you from your politicains through out the months leading up to the health care reform bill........where were all the protest years ago......you guys have no true belief in your heart on any subject that comes up from your government........as a matter of fact they do not even know what the real status and the state of which your country was at.......to you politicians that recieved threats knowing you are doing the right thing.....those threats are mereley childish talk that does not mean anything as it is there last form of desperation to have it there way......may the President keep making the right decisions for the sake of the human being and america......why are not other countrys having problems with their healthcare environment. PEACE!

                                            Reply#25 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:04 PM EDT
                                            caseyr

                                            I hope all these @!$%#s get voted out, and these ones complaining about threats against them well boo hoo you went against the people that voted you in so I dont feel sorry for anything you get...

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                                            Reply#26 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:24 PM EDT
                                            tommymaybewrongmayberight

                                            Of course he's not going to help him. Look at the last 3 people he campaign for in New Jersey, Massachusets, and Virgina, they all lost. He is no longer the savier people see he is, in fact he is probably the most porlerizing presedent that ever existed, the only thing he will do is rally the base, you need independents and you need to peel some of the moderate repbulicans to your side if you want to win an election.

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                                            Reply#27 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:09 AM EDT
                                            sportysue

                                            As an independent, I will vote for Dems come Nov. I would rather vote for the party actually cares about social issues and never vote for the Republicans who are in office only to protect corporations.

                                            So far, Republicans are acting like they lost their minds and are inciting violence and I for one will not support their madness.

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                                            Reply#28 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:10 AM EDT
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