Democrats express safety concerns after protests

Rush is the reason. And other AM radio nuts, everyone should have to listen to the wing-nuts preaching fear and full of mis-information or outright lies. These jocks are professional and wind abortion and religion around to whip up these people. Say it enough and they will believe it.

Many Americans believe these lies and now they will show us what the conservatives are all about. Divide and conquer. All the Republicans have are words, they sure can't run on their record. They spent like drunken sailors and gave us this Great Recession that Obama is making progress in getting us out of.

Republicans are at fault.

Put the republicans in camps!

I agree.

They shouldn't have gone against the majority and forced this thing. Tough luck if any of them get whacked. Not our problem. The next ones to take their place will probably listen instead of being so stupid and arrogant. Next.....

And no, I am not republican.

OldVC it is your problem. Particularly if you really think the gathering of crazies represent normal people in America. We voted what we wanted as every generation has done before us. Those who threaten do not have a clue about this great country where we speak mightily with our votes,

So,

That is why the candidate who ran on healthcare reform won...

They shouldn't have gone against the majority and forced this thing.

I don't know if you understand how things work in this country; it takes a majority vote to be elected, and to pass legislation. So there is no way to pass legislation by "going against the majority."

Whether or not you believe the health care bill a good thing, the simple fact is it has divided this country like no other domestic issue since the civil war. People are afraid for their futures and many are at their breaking point, couple that with fears of more taxes, less work, record foreclosures, and a quickly rising deficit and it shouldn’t surprise anyone that some people will snap. While I in no way condone violence against others, I do understand the fear and frustration – and please don’t say it’s all the fault of “wing-nuts”. The name calling and unwillingness to see the other side’s point of view is rampant from both the liberals and the conservatives; just read the comments here on the vine. Both sides are to blame in this fiasco. Since neither seems willing to listen to anyone with a different point of view, I’m predicting this sort of behavior will get worse; each side egging the other on and whipping them into frenzy (just like the comments and articles here on the vine do).

Free... there was a vote or you deal and blind. The Dems have the majority and it was the votes of Americans that put them there. If there are people that are angry then the need to vote the next cycle. What the @!$%# is going to happen next is that America will burn. Neither side is going to back down. But hey that is okay with some of you. It amazes me that you keep saying that the majority is angry. No the majority is not angry. It is a selective few who can't stand it that they are not getting there way. You people won't be happy until someone is hurt and I hope that it is not someone that you know and love. Remember that bullets do not have a mane on them. Innocent people get killed every freaking day and night

Both sides are to blame in this fiasco.

It isn't just both sides. It is people who fail to recognize that this legislation, and legislation like it, are exactly what our system is designed to produce. As the President said, this law goes right down the middle of public opinion. By definition that is the best our government can or should do.

To ignore this fact and react with lies, hate, fear-mongering and violence--that sort of behavior is subversive and anti-American. I think it is clear that there is indeed a 'side' that owns the lion's share of the blame, the only argument now is over semantics.

James, I meant the majority of the citizens of this country. I know the piss ants in congress voted it with a majority. Grow up kid.

Part of the gig with having their perks is that they could also get whacked, they knew it and may very well get it. Won't bother most of the citizens of the country that are so angry they are ready for war. That's what happens when really stupid things like this health care bill move forward to satisfy the corrupt at the top. Once again, Tough luck to them and yes they might well deserve it. Not my call to make but I wouldn't stop them either.

Free M. - Please, come on see this video!

They fashion a wildly unpopular bill behind closed doors. Beg borrow cheat and steal their way to a slim.... I don't recall such goings on under the Bush Administration. Lack of leadership.

See this 14 minute video from "60 MINUTES" on the House floor in 2003 under the Bush Administration. When the conservatives passed the socialist Medicare part D ENTITLEMENT program. If you are a brave Republican you must see this fiasco.

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/29/60minutes/main2625305.shtml

So two wrongs make a right? Brilliant knight. Brilliant. (sarcasm)

No pax, it makes Republicans the whiners acting like babies throwing a fit, encouraging and promoting violence. Daah, you are trying to spin and deflect attention.

Nope. They should both fight if thats what they want. I would encourage it. No spin like you and the others calling them whiners. Otherwise, drop it.

paxildog... you got some freaking nerve to say that because they voted yes that the either the Dems should know that violence could and would happen. Since when voting yes on a bill is the reason that someone should be hurt. You do know that innocent people get hurt or killed every freaking day. I hope that no one you know is standing in the cross fire when someone shoots a freaking gun or uses a freaking bomb.

Also the majority of the country voted for Dems okay on Health Care for your FYI. Get a freaking clue. So tell me what if the Dems backers react to the violencehuh. America could be in some serious @!$%#.

Put the republicans in camps!

Mature, which ideology doesn't pass your purity test next? Historically those camps fill up quick.

pax

You guys have been whining for over a year now. if the shoe fits.

Tough luck if any of them get whacked.

You support the murder of Congress members just because they voted in a way you don't like? What country are you living in because we don't do that here in America.

I meant the majority of the citizens of this country

So did I. So go the route of violence if you must. It is getting to the point that the majority may welcome it.

Grow up kid.

Good advice 'paxil.'

They shouldn't have gone against the majority and forced this thing. Tough luck if any of them get whacked.

I do not think the majority stands with you.

Paxil, what makes you any different from any of the 9/11 terrorists? Name one thing.

They shouldn't have gone against the majority and forced this thing.

I guess you dont check the latest polls of only choose to look at rasmussen.

so since they went with the majority.. yOU SUPPORT IT RIGHT

I mean it would be pretty damn hypocritical to complain about them not going with the majority to not support healthcare when you find you are actually in the minority.,

I'm not saying that threats are in any way, shape, or form correct. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT! But come on, what did the Senators expect? We're people, not cattle! I mean, sometimes alot of us just follow the flow like good little sheeple, but you know what? Deal with it. You made a decision, now live with the consequences of being unpopular. Boo-Hoo.

Well, I see that if I'm even a little disparaging on here, I'm going to get called a terrorist or something. How mature you people are. I don't expect great things from Libs anyway. The tract record goes to show how much you want to rob the future in order to satiate your present comfort. Go ahead, call names. Let's hear you say I'm a bad guy, that I don't care. You'd be wrong, but what does that matter. Let's hear more of your left-ticket rhetoric! I want to hear your proffessor speaking from your keyboard... Come on! Bring it, you Utopian Super Heroes!

Threatening public officials sounds like domestic terrorism.

Lots of voices on this thread sound like they support domestic terrorists.

Answer is simple, find the domestic terrorists and kill (or capture) them, and those who support them.

Now one can see quite clearly what Fox et al is about: an arm of terrorism infiltrating the United States. The RNC wants dictatorship control of our country. They will use 'religion' until they need it no more. They use lies to stir up discontent, fear and anger. They promote ugly divisiveness and inner country turmoil. The station's part ownership by a Saudi Arabian and Bush's family links with Saudi Arabia are just pieces of the puzzle slipping in. The tactics of the RNC of spreading false information, trying to cause confusion, fear and distrust and provoking violence by deceit are the tactics of evil, tactics of a fascist regime trying to regain power and tactics used by extremist terrorists. The RNC and FOX are nothing but a terrorist organization.

Now one can see quite clearly what Fox et al is about: an arm of terrorism infiltrating the United States. The RNC wants dictatorship control of our country. They will use 'religion' until they need it no more. They use lies to stir up discontent, fear and anger. They promote ugly divisiveness and inner country turmoil. The station's part ownership by a Saudi Arabian and Bush's family links with Saudi Arabia are just pieces of the puzzle slipping in. The tactics of the RNC of spreading false information, trying to cause confusion, fear and distrust and provoking violence by deceit are the tactics of evil, tactics of a fascist regime trying to regain power and tactics used by extremist terrorists. The RNC and FOX are nothing but a terrorist organization.

paxildog.... and other salty, bitter cons on here.

You really need to check yourself. Your post are dripping with bitterness over this. You are practically endorsing violence against people because a vote did not go the way you and many others wanted it too.

I can certainly understand how you feel though. See, I would feel EXACTLY the same way if someone did something to that baby-killing redneck bush or anyone else in his administration now that they're all civilians again. Hell I'd run amuck boasting, toasting and laughing loud in front of every conservative, bush jockstrap I know personally, and many many more that I did not know. If you believe in justice like I do, then there is cause to celebrate when criminals like bush get what they deserve, but to relish in the harm of our legislators who are simply doing their jobs, is just psychotic.

Now then, I'd like to leave all of you bitter little emotional, teenage conservative prom queens with some food for thought:

"Healthcare Reform, one of the many changes we need, despite heavy republican obstructionism and childish conservative fearmongering and temper tantrums?" YES WE DID!!

I don't really approve of this. I understand the bitter anger and extreme frustration about all of this megamess, I would prefer do some house cleaning in November, I want the fight to be there at the voting booth.

Not my problem!

I guess it sucks to do something that people feel so strongly about!

No argument or debate here.

The congress, the senate, and Obama just sh*t on the American people.....and the people are not happy...so I must say to the Democrats....mess with the bull.....get the horns.....sleep well all of the Democrats who voted for this gag reflex.

replytoj001

considering 35% supported this bill and another 30% think the bill needed to go FURTHER, I don't see where this "majorety" are coming from.

Tea baggers are 75% republican or republican leaning Independents. Sounds like the "majority" is on the side of the Democrats and the very small minority is with the republicans.

This is exactly what happen when this country fought for independence. The american people believes in hand ups not hand outs. remember the boston tea party that was against taxes without representation? what we as americans see with this administration is a direct attack against the foundation of this country and have had enough, if all you dumb ass liberals want to live in a socialistic country GO MOVE TO EUROPE, AND LEAVE AMERICA THE HELL ALONE. We do'nt want our system changed. First it was the morgage industry then tarp which failed then the bank take over then the auto industry then the student loan program making the tax payer pay for someone who won't pay off thier own loan and now the health care which is 1/6th of our economy THIS IS SOCIALISM IN ITS TRUE FORM. WHEN DOES IT STOP

encouraging and promoting violence

since you seem to think you know give me examples. I want links of the actual words. It shouldn't be hard to find they way some of you spout off.

Julian,

You really need to check yourself. Your post are dripping with bitterness over this. You are practically endorsing violence against people

Talk about posts dripping with bitterness? Did you even read back over yours?

that baby-killing redneck bush or anyone else in his administration now that they're all civilians again. Hell I'd run amuck boasting, toasting and laughing loud in front of every conservative, bush jockstrap I know personally, and many many more that I did not know. If you believe in justice like I do, then there is cause to celebrate when criminals like bush get what they deserve, but to relish in the harm of our legislators who are simply doing their jobs, is just psychotic.

Good grief! I guess it's okay if they're civilians now?

Here, let me make it easy for you:

Fox et al is about: an arm of terrorism infiltrating the United States. The RNC wants dictatorship control of our country. The RNC and FOX are nothing but a terrorist organization.

what makes you any different from any of the 9/11 terrorists?

Put the republicans in camps!

find the domestic terrorists and kill (or capture) them, and those who support them

Some of you have totally lost it.

And James, look at the posts above:

It isn't just both sides.

yes, it is! Look at the posts and look at yours!

So go the route of violence if you must. It is getting to the point that the majority may welcome it.

For crying out loud, people, get a clue! You just PROVED it is both sides!

Fired up? Ready to go!

Bring it... Party of war turned Party of No to Party of Hate.

Take a hard look Christians. Your moral majority ended today.

What happens to darkness when you turn on the lights?

And to think I used to listen to you guys. Your dinosaurs, your dangerous, and your wrong!

The resistance against 'W' will be a sweet dream.

We won't rest until every republican is voted out!

Country First hu?

The Uncivil War has begun...and we'll kill em' with kindness. ;o)

Yes We Can!

For crying out loud, people, get a clue! You just PROVED it is both sides!

You missed my point completely.

1) It's more than two sides, it is a fundamental lack of understanding of how our country does and should work, along with a childish and violent reaction to some not getting their way. This goes beyond Dem and GOP.

Now, I will happily admit that 'liberals' have an equal share of responsibility if you can explain how 'Give Peace A Chance" turns into "Give Peace A Chance, Or Else." Showing me citations that try to equate anarchists and Ron Pauls with liberals is not going to do it.

2) There is a very simple equation that you advocates and apologists for violence should take into account: this legislation, and this current government make-up, was lawfully elected under the Constitution by a majority. As much as some may want to deny that fact, I suggest it is one you consider very carefully before deciding to take up arms. Or bricks, or whatever.

Step out of the echo chamber.

One more thing to consider: it is a myth that progressives are not willing to fight for their country.

Lastly, a question: "You don't think it is terrorism to threaten elected officials with violence to prevent them from performing their duties?

James, we have had our share of rows on here, that's for sure, but I believe it was the way it was done more than anything. I understand the process and I get it. I tried to explain it more in post 2.7.

No, I am not going to throw bricks, or anything else. This kind of rhetoric and action is counterproductive on both sides, in my opinion.

"You don't think it is terrorism to threaten elected officials with violence to prevent them from performing their duties?

I think the word terrorism is overused. 9/11 now that was terrorism. Someone telling someone else "I am going to beat you up for____, isn't." People who assume the office in Congress or anywhere else in a position of power have to be aware that their are nuts out there who could and would do them harm- that is an inherent risk, not that it is right by any means, but like I said...Threats, to me, are not the same as terrorism, and if people follow through on their threats, they should be punished and to the fullest extent of the law. And n

sorry time ran out, and no, I don't think it is right as I already stated.

I understand the process and I get it. I tried to explain it more in post 2.7.

No, I think you do. I don't think your understanding is the problem. For others, it is part of it.

This kind of rhetoric and action is counterproductive on both sides, in my opinion.

I knew we would agree.

.Threats, to me, are not the same as terrorism, and if people follow through on their threats, they should be punished and to the fullest extent of the law.

You're right. But: we don't wait for Al Qaeda to act against us. If they make a threat, we take it seriously. If someone makes an asinine tweet on Twitter, we take it seriously. If someone says "bomb" in an airport, we take it seriously.

I just finished reading Politico's poll analysis about the Tea Party. This rise in violent sentiment can be traced directly back to John McCain and Sarah Palin. The warnings were going out then that things would get worse, and they have. Bricks through windows, shootings at public buildings, and death threats.

It is time to get serious about where the problem lies and put a stop to it before more people get hurt, and more lives are ruined. I will tell you this; if Republicans continue down the path of blame-shifting and denial, there will be more pain, and ultimately it will be the Tea Party that suffers.

We do'nt want our system changed.

That's to bad, because we do and as long as we can cobble together a majority change is going to happen like it or not.

If you want to make veiled threats why not be men and take up arms. I can't wait to see the police gun you down in the streets like rabid dogs!

Oh, and just remember, your families might find their existence untenable after you're dead and buried.

Beat me up all you want. I said fight, as in what they are currently doing, not violence. As far as getting hurt by a loon, that's why they already have security, they know its a possibility. I have never asked for anyone to hurt another. Just goes to show how far out people here can be, blow it out of shape. Never said to take up arms, nothing except that a revolution may be needed in politics, didn't say we needed another war. A good fight like McCain had with BO is a good fight. Wow. See it any way you want.

BTW - Go ahead and blame me for any other misunderstandings you have also like global warming, traffic jams, electric bills. I'm fine. Later....

Knight - the first word in my post to you #1.15 was the word "Nope" to your first sentence. the fighting is for the spin comment you made and that is verbal fighting. You go ahead and believe what you want though, you don't listen, not your fault, most democrats and republicans don't listen, they push their side of politics.

"Put the republicans in camps?!?" Spoken like a true totalitarian. Liberalism is nothing but oppression masquerading as freedom and equality. It is unyielding, uncompromising, and stifling in it's quest for equality (whatever that is). Have people forgotten the golden "utopia's" of the former USSR or China? It doesn't work! Power will always be seized by the most ruthless and corrupt, and the ignorant will be systematically abused. Kind of like what is happening in our country right now.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

Be afraid government.

I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.
Isoroku Yamamoto

I just thought this a timely quote. Remember when The Obama came to power........

Every revolution has its counterrevolution - that is a sign the revolution is for real.
C. Wright Mills

Yea, counterrevolution.......hahahahaha!

Old VC

People feel strongly about everything concerning the Obama administration. The anti-Obama people don't accept him as their president and are absolutely certain that he is poised to overthrow the US government. They see the healthcare reform law as a brick in the overthrow wall and take it as a call to action.

Check the article on Oathkeepers: motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers

Apparently, Eric Cantor's (R) campaign office had shots fired into it and the authorities are investigating...so, it is not just the Dems. He said he gets threatening email and calls, too, and especially since he is Jewish...so you there you go....it cuts both ways.

Vol,

the only reason it cuts at all is because of people like Palin and Dick Army lighting a match back in 2008 and 2009 and the Republicans foolishly thought they could stir the pot and not get burned. Those idiots are going to find out how stupid they were for egging on this mob of emotional retards.

They should be concerned. All wingnuts have guns and know how to use them.

Brent are you saying the Democrats asked to be spit on and called racial slurs or homophobic epitaph - that they "agitated the anti-health Care crowds over the weekend". That they asked to have their offices vandalized, that they asked to have death threats to their families and themselves? Amazing just unbelievable teabaggery unbelievable.

and hole_in_the_wall WOW - I'm just speechless - you two really should seek professional help - the new health care reform bill may even help you get that help.

WTF. just WTF.

I need professional help for pointing out the obvious? WTF. just WTF.

Well, since you guys like violence so much, if you ever try repealing Roe v. Wade, perhaps the left will show republicans the same treatment. Surely you'll be okay with that.

The right to bear arms does not include the right to commit murder. If a right winger shoots anyone, they will end up in prison or on death row. Our country is a free country. The only countries where political battles = violence, fear/hate mongering, deception and despotism are the theocracies and dictatorships. This kind of behavior toward a political party as evidenced by the Tea Party fruitcakes and provoked by the Republican legislators/RNC using FOX as a lie dispenser is that of fascism. It does not belong in America, is anti-American, anti-freedom and needs to be seen as treason. Right wingers wrongly assume liberals are not armed and have no knowledge of weapons. Right wingers act like Neanderthals. As such they might want to remember the Neanderthals died out and humans survived because the humans used something the Neanderthals didn't- brains.

You know part of the problem is that the leadership and the Dems started some of this by called anybody who came to a town hall meeting in dissent or protest "unAmerican", Nancy P saying they were "carrying swatstikas" (a lie), "racist", you have the left calling people right here, teabaggers - not nice at all, I have seen guys wearing shirts at rallies that said Sarah Palin is a "cu*t" , then there's brownshirts, fascists, nazis....

Seriously, it cuts both ways, and mysteriously, the White House and leadership is silent, other than to criticize a group of people by calling them "manufactured and astroturf".Then they proceed to force a bill upon the American people that many don't want (60%) and where the majority said to start over and get it right, and they don't do that, they don't even get a majority vote - they do it through trickery, gimmicks, bribes, and backroom deals, arm twisting, etc. Yes, THEY are a BIG part of the problem. People will scream when they aren't heard, they are screaming now and they still are acting like they don't hear the people that they have been elected to represent!

It seems to me Obama's most important job right now is to do what he can to tamp this down, instead he pops the cork on the champagne bottle, and relishes in his "presidency not being ruined" (his words). Terrible, terrible leadership! This country is in a precarious position -over 75% of the people think we are at the point of an economic collapse, and they are popping the corks? That is unbelieveable. What is he doing from here on out? Ignoring the people some more and full steam ahead to the rest of the agenda. It seems to me when the house is smoking, you need to stop and find out where it is coming from, and why, instead of acting like there isn't a problem.

volfan

Your whole post is nothing but the same lies, deception and fear mongering. It is bad enough we have Republican leaders and legislators that lie and use fascist tactics. Obama is actually a President for the people. His dedication and inner fortitude helped make healthcare reform a reality. I could not be more proud of him and the legislators who had to fight corruption, obstruction and lies to get the change that is good for the American people and not corporate fascism.

I think of what our country even what our world would be like if there were no longer greedy, power hungry men that care only for the dollars in their pockets. The world would be an extraordinary place. There would be world peace, no racism, no poverty, little crime, little illness and a people free to become the best they are. It is the liars, cheaters, deceivers, the fear mongers and hate provokers that do evil's bidding. We finally have a President that truly cares about his country and has the vision and intelligence to lead us to a place of peace and prosperity. To be one of the Republican leaders who are now no different the an Islamic terrorrist is sad. To be a shill trying to spread the lies and hate is even sadder.

The power of good is always greater than evil. Our country was built upon a foundation of honor, equality and freedom. Our founders would look in horror at what the RNC has become and the fascism they tried to attain with Bush and the deception, fear and hate they stir up to try to get their fascist power back. Obama is going to do what is best for his country not corporate fascists. The promise and gifts this man can give to our country are extraordinary. How could anyone shill for the evil that has become the GOP, unless they too are evil or simply care diddly squat for their country and their fellow citizens? Is the money one gains shilling worth the loss of one's honor and soul?

Your whole post is nothing but the same lies, deception and fear mongering.

What lies? Everything I wrote that they said is in QUOTES for a reason. Do you need the links, because I have them, and I probably left out a few.

I could not be more proud of him and the legislators who had to fight corruption,

Oh my, seriously? They are the most corrupt people we have. Charlie Rangel, the tax writing committee chair standing there smiling, next to the President, who cheated on his taxes ( need a link?) and is still being investigated by the House Ethics Committee for other alegations (need a link?) Nancy P said "we will drain the swamp" of corruption and then refuses to take Rangel off the committee? You had backroom deals ( Cornhusker Kickback, LA Purchase, Gatorade) again, if you need the links I will be happy to provide them - all votes bought and Bart Stupak sold his soul and conviction on abortion for less than a million dollars for three airports (need a link?) Barbara Boxer, John Conyers, and Maxine Waters - all under investigation...Shall I go on, because I can...

I think of what our country even what our world would be like if there were no longer greedy, power hungry men that care only for the dollars in their pockets. The world would be an extraordinary place. There would be world peace, no racism, no poverty, little crime, little illness and a people free to become the best they are.

The first thing I thought of was John Lennon's song, Imagine, and this is nothing more than a utopian pipe dream. Heaven is the only place like that, and we all are sinners and as such live in a sinful world - it is a fact of life. There has been evil since time began. Put the pipe down!

We finally have a President that truly cares about his country and has the vision and intelligence to lead us to a place of peace and prosperity.

Really? Then why are over 79% of Americans worried about an economic collapse? I have links for all of these stats - most from gallup.He has no vision for the future other than what HE has stated he wants to do - make illegals legal, screwing up the banking system more, and crap and trade- that is his STATED agenda. What the crap happened to jobs, jobs, jobs after the first of the year? If he cared about this country then why do 56 % of Americans think we will be in worst shape economically? And why do 45% of American now say the economic conditions are poor ( compared to 14% who think it is good or better)? He has ticked off one of our fierciest allies in Israel, as well as the leaders of France and Germany to a lesser degree, he has hacked of the Chinese who hold trillions of dollars of our debt, refuses to man up to the nutjobs over in Iran and NK...

Our founders would look in horror at what the RNC has become and the fascism they tried to attain

No, our founding fathers would be disgusted and roll in their graves at the way we have mucked up the greatest document on governance in history - the US Constitution. They would be sick to see that the limited government that they invisioned and left us with, because people worked hard, and wanted to excel, and make this a great nation, has now become something rapidly approaching France and the other European nations.

To be one of the Republican leaders who are now no different the an Islamic terrorrist is sad

Good Lord, that doesn't even compare. Talk about being a shill? Who do you listen to? Madcow? Keith Obablbermouth? Seriously, you need to stop!

How could anyone shill for the evil that has become the GOP, unless they too are evil or simply care diddly squat for their country and their fellow citizens?

Maybe you need to change that from "GOP" to either "party"

Is the money one gains shilling worth the loss of one's honor and soul?

I don't know, you'd have to ask all those who took bribes and money and sold their soul for a vote to their party. Of all the things Rep could be guilty of, they didn't sell their soul and conviction for a party vote tainted with bribery and corruption!!

Vol Fan, don't worry about these morons. Just think about our trip to the Elite Eight and Final Four after we put the beat down on Ohio tomorrow.

hey, I hear you!!!

excuse me, but I feel it highly unlikely that this can be laid solely at the feet of the GOP. and exactly what do you mean that any violence should fall squarely on the shoulders of the GOP leadership? or as you put it their voices in the media? Are you advocating violence against members of the GOP or citizery that do not agree with what you believe...I don't know one republican personally that has said anything more scary than "We will see come November"

All I hear is a bunch of Drama Queens and Kings that have or could have all the protection they want, once again throwing up smoke and mirrors so they appear to be victimized.puuuuulllllllleeeeaaassssseeeeeeeee....

I don't know one republican personally that has said anything more scary than "We will see come November"

Watch any Tea Party video.

what do you mean that any violence should fall squarely on the shoulders of the GOP leadership

The same thing we tell moderate Muslims... a failure to admonish the viiolence is a silent endorsement.

"Drama Queens and Kings" I am sure that if your home was broken into because you voted for the opposite party, you would call the police. They are doing the same thing, except they have Secret Service protection because of the nature of their jobs. Everyone knew that security would be necessary for healthcare supporters, why... its beyond me but thats how it is. They were elected to a position in Congress, not to a firing squad for doing the right thing.

how is it that the defenders of this cancerous behavior can turn around and demand that every single moderate muslim stand and loudly denounce the behavior of their radical right?

Hypocrisy incarnate

Very well said believe ... thank goodness I am an Independent! I knew this would automatically turn into a GOP hate thread but wanted to hopefully see some kind of rational conversation happen. There is absolutely no way you can hold the entire Republican party responsible for a few nutjobs in this country. There are plenty of people who are mad, why not judge them individually instead of doing what you always do ? Blaming the GOP for all the ills of the world is getting old and tired. Find a new line please !

No I do not follow The Tea Party movement,much less watch their videos....

"a firing squad for doing the right thing" good grief, auditioning for the next Drama Queen/King opening?

this is absurd, now people are getting put down for simply staying quiet...If someone is not openly advocating violence in this country you were not guilty of violence..guess that is the next law to get changed in our new government system. Either you stand up and say what we tell you..or what? meathooks? sterilization? enslavement? What do you plan on doing to those that wish to just remain silent?

I'm sure you all said the same thing about the Muslim leadership not needing to denounce anything.

Problem is, it's not just the crazy radio guys, it's the elected GOP officials who have said some the things I mentioned in the first post. Two famous quotes:

Michele Bachmann: "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us 'having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,' and the people -- we the people -- are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States."

Virginia Foxx, on the floor of Congress, said we had more to fear from the healthcare bill "than we do from any terrorist right now in any country.”

Jim DeMint: “Friends, this is a critical battle for the heart and soul of America, and for freedom itself,”

What do you expect, when the Repubs say that this bill is more harmful than 9/11

which is nuts concidering 18,000 peopel die each year do to lack of health insurance

so the bill will stop 911 from happening every other month.

and the GOP are against stopping a 911 without blowing people up.

very, very well armed protection - which is - of course - NOT available to US citizens.

Yeah, it is. Stop trolling.

Well, Mr. US Citizen we are not members of Congress, we dont need Secret Service protection, I am sure your local police department can handle any stiuation you will ever confront.

The police are always a day late and a dollar short.

US Citizen, the bill was passed by closed door meetings, bribery, so what do you expect, love and kisses? The public is pissed off, and the dems are totally ignoring the people who voted for them. What I find a wonderment, is that nobody has been shot at yet. The other point is that conservatives have been the target of extreme hate campaign for some time, in fact, 9 years, and counting. This is the Saul Ilinski tactic of intimidation, and the Cloward and Piven method of overwhelming the government. Now the immigration bill will be next. If you give them amnesty, citizenship, and they vote for the democrats, in 2010, and 2012. Add to that, give ex-convicts back their right to vote, so they can also vote Democrat.

The progressive democrats went as far as to use reconciliation, on a bill, which the procedure was not designed for determining a bill this large. The advisors of Obama, his appointees, and the "shadow government of radicals, socialists, and communists, in the FCC, EPA, etc., then yes, this is take over by the radicals. The radicals of the sixties, were flower chldren, the SDS, Weatherman, these people conspired to overthrow the government. What they learned over time, was that they put on suits and ties, and talked nice. But underneath the facade, they are still the same dangerous radicals, out to fundamentally change America.

A duck by any name is still a duck. And progressive progressives wil still destroy the constitution, no matter how they dress. And the violence, death threats? Hate in, hate out. So what about violence? You haven`t seen nothing yet.

That the government is so well protected by law enforcement and military forces so as to be able to remain safe in the midst of ongoing violence which the common US citizen must contend with, is an abomination. Were they to live in the same world that they exempt themselves from but we - the US citizens - must contend with, then maybe the laws would be more "real world" and not so "out of touch" with the challenges of the population as a whole.

It is this "real world" versus "political reality" divide that so inflames the people, so that some, apparently, speak out vigorously in defense of their ongoing erosion of rights, and the thus hindered pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

I trust no politician at this time in history to act in the best interests of the nation, as opposed to merely themselves....

US, an event happened, when colonists were tired of the bull @!$%#, took up muskets, and defeated the English. And at the end of the revolutionary war, the founders created the Constitution, so their actions would not have to be repeated. Today, the progressive party stomped on the constitution, and "deemed" the health care to victory, in spite of overwhelming opposition to the bill, by the American people. For every action, there is a opposite, and equal reaction. This is about the robbing of our freedoms, and tearing up the constitution. I think that what the congressional progressive members, and the senate progressives, and Obama, should be tried for treason, not upholding the constitution, and thrown out of office. God help us, we`re screwed.

...the bill was passed by closed door meetings...

The bill was passed by an open and televised vote. Watched it all on several channels.

...progressive democrats went as far as to use reconciliation...

No, they didn't.

...the progressive party stomped on the constitution, and "deemed" the health care to victory...

No. Deemed to pass wasn't employed, either.

You seems awfully uninformed for someone so upset.

it was done in the wide open.
they passed the recomendations of teh republicans and the heritage foundation.

THIS IS THE GOPS PLAN called romneycare.. what yall offered to counter clinton in 96.. no use going bat @!$%# crazy over it now.

The public is pissed off, and the dems are totally ignoring the people who voted for them.

and still the gop refuse to live in reality.. latest polls 49% to 40% FOR THE HEALTH CARE BILL.

so knowing this info you will support the bill now right? i mean otherwise your argument is hypocritically BS.

PLus i expect all you right wingers votes on the public option in 2 years.

since 80% of the public supports that.

O.K. Psycho, I'll play... So once the 'majority' (of morons) pick up your muskets, and win your 'revolution', what's next? Are you going to take away everyones voting rights? That is the only way you can regain control of the government. Even if you killed 10 million of us, you would still only break even.

And what makes you think November is going to be any different? What has Obama failed at in the eyes of his base? He saved the status quo, after 'what's his name' ran us into the ground. Every campaign stop he brought huge crowds to their feet by vowing to reform health care. And he did it... even in spite of all the death threats.

Soooo, deal with it, he's the decider!

please don't kill me...

psychokiller

Health care reform is a long needed change and it is a change for the benefit of the American people. The only 'public' dismayed by its passage are (1)the RNC because they know that when the bill goes into effect and people start reaping the benefits of health care and people see they were being lied to by the RNC they will lose what little support they have now (2) the people told lies about the bill by FOX and their legislators so they would try to stop its passage out of fear (3) Fox et al for the same reason as the RNC. The public will know and see the truth and realize Fox et al is nothing but a lying propaganda machine. The Republicans are literally terrified by a public that is informed- that is why they work so hard to dumb the people down and control what they hear and know. Unfortunately for them, this is still a free country and we get to be as smart and informed as we want to be. The Repubs and Fox fear the truth. It exposes their lies and their deception.

Throwing bricks through windows and cutting gas lines are both violent actions.

The fact that any one would support this assault. I remember every time people who opposed the war had their patriotism questioned. Everyone involved in this should be ashamed. It's sad.

Lee...you have information on the severed gas line? Please enlighten us, and be sure to call the FBI; they can use your help.

The dems assed it up, and Americans who work for a living (fewer by the day, thanks to these buffoons) are a little sick of their crap.

Severed gas line found at home of VA Dem's Brother's home after Teabaggers posted his address online encouraging opponents to "drop by"

Right on the main page, the fbi was already called. Next time you want to make an obnoxious comment, make sure it's worth it first. And by worth it, I mean right. Which you're not.

Cutting gas lines and throwing bricks should be the least of there concerns. I along with MANY others arent crazy about rising premiums to support sorry people that are too lazy to get off their ass and get a job. This country is F&$ked!!!

The dems assed it up, and Americans who work for a living (fewer by the day, thanks to these buffoons) are a little sick of their crap.

job growth is positive this month.

Lee...you have information on the severed gas line? Please enlighten us, and be sure to call the FBI; they can use your help.

see had this been acorn or a dem.. he would be freaking out why they havent been hung already.

Sorry it doesnt really take two and two to put the crap together.. the day after his address is posted with an open invitation to visit.. you can kind of guess what happened next.

Sure this isnt a court, but you right wingers have damned people for less. heck look at what you did to dan rather.

Cutting gas lines and throwing bricks should be the least of there concerns. I along with MANY others arent crazy about rising premiums to support sorry people that are too lazy to get off their ass and get a job. This country is F&$ked!!!

You're ignorant and incorrect. Quit your whining because you make those of us that really do work extremely hard look like jerks.

I work extremely long hours some days (had many long shifts including 24 hour ones), worked two jobs (one full time) for a long time and I get paid very little. I can't afford health care. I have basically no luxuries outside of a place to live and the ability to go out and grab some food at a restaurant once a week.

So if you're telling me that I need to get off my ass and work more, you can just shut the hell up and move to some place where you think the people work hard enough to meet your standards.

there is such a thing as educating yourself to gain a better job. no one else should be responsible for your lack of try bettering yourself instead of taking from others

it was a line to the propane gas grill, and no one is sure how or why it got cut. Not that it was right, assuming someone did this, but geez, that's a bit of sensationalism there!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/6928205.html

there is such a thing as educating yourself to gain a better job. no one else should be responsible for your lack of try bettering yourself instead of taking from others

So, in that case, everyone should just work the high paying jobs? Do you understand how utterly ridiculous that concept is? No one should work any low paying, low wage jobs?

Just so you know, I'm extremely well trained. I have very specific technical knowledge and I love what I do.

Take your sad logic and come back with something that makes sense.

it was a line to the propane gas grill, and no one is sure how or why it got cut. Not that it was right, assuming someone did this, but geez, that's a bit of sensationalism there!

Apparently you believe that the properties of gas are somehow altered whether it's the gas coming from a propane tank or to the oven.

I assure you, you get the same reaction when it's sparked.

Perhaps what YOU didn't want, but the majority of people want health care reform. And as for Nancy herself, HER congressional district would want it. And she's supposed to represent the wishes of her particular district, is she not?

Greg&Jeff;

What majority? If you are referring to the delusional socialists you may be correct. To the average citizen they want health care reform not a socialist take over of the medical system

And we got health care reform. We certainly did not get a socialist takeover of the medical system (unfortunately IMO). Saying we did is what as known as a crock.

What majority?

The majority of voters. You know, those citizens who actually bother to vote for people and get them elected.

...she demanded house members to shove through what the constituents did not want...

What makes you think most people didn't want HCR? And it was called a vote. No shoving required.

to the average citizen they want health care reform not a socialist take over of the medical system

do you come to troll or to learn?

from republican david frum

hose of us who said there was a deal to be done, that there are a lot of parts of this bill that look familiar, that look like Mitt Romney's plan, that look like plans Republicans proposed in 1993 and 1994, they look like things that were drafted at the Heritage foundation in 1990 and 1991,

still want to call it socialist "bluedog"

as for not doing the will of the people, the latest gallup says turn off fox news and learn reality.. 49 to 40% FOR THE HEALTH CARE BILL AS IS>

SO obama has your support now right.. since he did not violate the will of the people? somehow i bet not.

JB;

You can twist this commie agenda anyway you want. It does not take away from the fact that it is modeled on health care for communist nations. I guess you need to get an education to understand that. Please come up with something more intelligent then your silly far left regurgitated rhetoric it is old and boring. Some people wanted change to health care. Only the hardcore comrades wanted the soviet style health care that was passed.

This is exactly what I was talking about. Not one Republican replied to my post (except for Cotton, and his post was deleted).

Four hours later...not one comment saying that Republicans are out of line and should start acting like adults. Amazing!

I wrote an article a few days ago (and added a poll) asking the Republicans (and anyone else who cares to comment) if they are proud of the Tea Party. Please visit my article, comment and vote!

I wish CEJ's posts weren't deleted. I imagine they would illustrate the issue quite well.

All I can say is that I left that sorry @$$ Republican Party at the right time. I'll never go back.

Me too. Their actions and behavior during Bush's devastating 2 terms was bad enough. Their actions since Obama came into the White House have been so sickening, childish and deceptive that I cannot vote for a Republican again. They all need to be removed from their positions. November cannot come fast enough to vote out these lazy greedy criminals and put in people that are actually capable of being an adult; who care about our country much more than their party; believe in honesty, freedom and justice, and are in there to serve our country. Once we have removed the obstructionists, the path to renewed prosperity, freedom and honor of our country can happen that much sooner. Obama stood up for the people, put the people first, maintained a steady step through all the corruption of lobbyists and legislators in corporate pockets, gave the Republicans every chance to work with him to renew our country and get health care to millions and millions of people in desperate need, and stayed fighting for the American people and his country despite the Repubs obstructionism and deceit. He brought a reform needed by the people but not wanted by corporate fascism which seems to completely control the Republicans. We have a good man for a President who loves and cares for our country and her basis in equality, freedom and honor.

What I think now- especially seeing 'psycho killer used as a name to post-, is that the GOP is shifting from pretending to care about the Constitution and patriotism to using violence and threats of violence as their new tactic to try and destroy our country and bring it into their fat fascist hands. The very core of the GOP is evil and rotten in the worst way. They sicken me, but their plan to frighten is too weak and too obvious. It reminds me of movies where the bad guy (Repub) and good guy (Democrat) have a fist fight. The good guy wins and then cannot kill his opponent because he has ethics and morals. So the good guy lets the bad guy up and starts walking away when the bad guy grabs a gun and tries to kill him. The good guy though is too fast and shoots the bad guy before he can get a shot off. The election was the fist fight. The Democrats did not try and destroy the Repubs, but instead did everything they could to overcome the bipartisanship and have the Repubs working with them for the country. The Republicans continued deceit and unethical behavior by condoning and provoking violence is the bad guy going to shoot the good guy in the back. However, it proves instead to be the demise of the bad guy.

net1944, Right off the bat, you start by calling me a stupid name. How mature! (and typical).

Rebellion is one thing. Inciting violence is another. How would the Republicans like it if McCain had won and we had started out from day one, calling him every name in the book, threatening violence, obstructing every move that the Republicans tried to accomplish (that happen to be the platform that Obama said he would work on when he got into office). I mean that IS why the MAJORITY of our citizens voted for him. The Republicans spew their lies EVERY DAY. We don't need to "water" any damned tree with blood of patriots, which is really a stupid statement, since these Republican WACKOS and the furthest thing from being American patriots.

How is this law, which was passed by both houses, illegal?

You're confusing the word 'illegal' with 'unconstitutional', neither of which describes this law.

it's illegal cause they say it is.
see it wasnt illegal when the heritage group suggested romneycare.
it wasnt illegal when the gop suggested romneycare.
it wasnt illegal when mitt romney made romneycare.
it became illegal when the dems said "ok we will do it yalls way"

Unlike Democratic proposals that would give Americans the choice of joining a government-run health care plan, Massachusetts has no public option. Instead, people in the state are required to buy private insurance, and the poor get subsidies

go ahead and explain to the people how the suggestion of the GOP and the heritage group is unconstitutional.

I’m not confusing anything….you liberal hack……..this farce of a bill was passed by a total liberal vote which was illegal and the law suits are in place……funny how Republicans and real Democrats voted against it yet the bill passed anyway………….am I supposed to be impressed when it was forced through with a total disregard of the people’s choice…..??? Count on one thing…..this is not finished…..the arrogance of this action will completely cripple you liberals at the elections in November……..!!!!

Will you remember in NOVEMBER...... Vote out the incumbants!

Both sides of the aisle have been using fear to stay in business.

You can't blame the Democrats for this.

Quite bluntly, the problem does not lie on both sides of the aisle.

sorry but buckeye is right.. if you think there is equal blame on both sides of the aisle you havent been paying attention,.

in all the protests against bush not only did none of the so called liberal media promote them, but no one suggested they take up guns, no state tried to disband the unions and no one attacked the families of republicans.

heck we didnt even say mean things about bush;s wife.. unlike the gop and michelle obama who gets attacked nearly daily.,

I haven't heard anything about Michelle in a while...

Joules, Buckeye,

You guys are part of the problem. Yes, the Democrats use fear to manipulate people. You may not believe it, Just as those folks leaving the violent voice mails for Stupak disagree with me. They don't think the Republicans use fear....and they don't think that because they are Republicans.

Look at the headlines... The conservatives are coming! the conservatives are coming! They are after our freedom. The Democrats will up the ante if they don't get a rise.. ever increasing the increasingly vitrioloic rhetoric.

I am amazed that there are Republicans who do not or cannot recognize fear based manipulation. It's easy for a Democrat to see, though... Democrats are good at seeing partisanship on the other side.

I am equaqlly amazed that there are Democrats who do not recognize fear based manipulation when it comes from themselves. Would you like a list of incindarary headlines about Republicans from Newsvine?

Well of course you would... that would prove me wrong... no doubt.

It's okay... I'm tiring of this stuff. You guys are too far gone and too extreme to be open to new information. The stuff you guys do is the cause of the effects you see.

America is doomed to have the government it deserves.

That's what I think.

And what voting trick was this? Reconciliation was not used for the original bill. The House passed the Senate version. It's being used for a bill with a bunch of 'fixes' to the existing law.

Also, you voted for your representative, they voted on the bill. What else do you want? Majority rules.

Both sides of the aisle have used reconciliation.

I object to plenty of policies passed by Republicans. But you don't hear me making ridiculous threats. Perhaps if you made any rational or intelligent argument against this bill, maybe someone would listen.

reconciliation was NOT USED>
the bill obama signed had already passed with 60+ votes.
reconciliation is the next battle.,

it really would help if yall would at the very least pay a mediocre ammount of attention.

THE dems simply made plans for reconciliation before telling obama to make the bill that had already passed into law.

and the public supports the bill 49 to 40.. i really wish yall would look at new polls rather than the one fox told yall to look at weeks ago.

you got links for your claims?
and i thought we couldnt look back at the past, isnt that what yall tell us?

and yeah cutting a gas line is so much the same as keying a car.
putting an entire family in danger is the exact same as breaking a car window..

you got links for your claims?

What claim, I've seen cars vandalized because of their bumper stickers, that isn't a claim its observation, and it was either the trough between earlier peaks in things like this and now, or it was the leading edge of what we see now.

and i thought we couldnt look back at the past, isnt that what yall tell us?

What "ya'll" are you referring to? Either you can't address people as individuals or you arbitrarily assign people to groups based on your preconceived notions.

As to the rest of your reply, did you actually read the 16 words I wrote, because your reply seems to have pasted in a few volumes of subtext.

Even if the Republican Party came out one by one and said they did not agree with the violence

But the ones in power don't. No objection is a silent endorsement.

what power? they have no power? Wasn't that just proved yesterday? What I see now is a lot of glory hungry drunk politicians not wanting to get their a$$es back to work, but stay in the public eye...I'm telling ya...there are a lot of angry people out there, some crazy ones too. They just don't happen to belong to any recognized party, I seriously doubt the ones advocating violence even vote.

and many times "No objection" is just being above such bull@!$%#..

Shoo.

They're like gnats sometimes. lol!

They passed it legally, any republican lawsuits against the bill are expected to fail.

Might want to check that, the majority of lawsuits files so far are from 'blue' and 'purple' states, 1/3 from red states.

Both houses voted on the bill, the Senate passed one and the House passed another, they used a loophole to reconcile the bills. but regardless 51 is a majority it is just by our laws.

The House passed the Senate version. Reconciliation is being used on a completely separate bill to apply a few fixes to the first.

Might want to check that, the majority of lawsuits files so far are from 'blue' and 'purple' states, 1/3 from red states.

Huh? Care to prove that?

Even if the lawsuits came from Blue states, its the Republicans set in their "Mavrick" and static ways that are filing the suits.

this is not how society should act.

that's it man, you nailed it. We shouldnt be acting like this! We all need to smarten the hell up!

I would condemn to democrats for the same thing.

But that's just it. Democrats don't behave this way.

Might want to check that, the majority of lawsuits files so far are from 'blue' and 'purple' states, 1/3 from red states.

Huh? Care to prove that?

Don't read the news much? ;)

Blue States: Colorado, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Washington.

Purple States: Florida, Louisiana, Nebraska, South Dakota, Virginia.

Red States: Alabama, Idaho, South Carolina, Texas, Utah.

Not hard to find, I haven't seen a definitive list of the states still contemplating joining the suits.

And what are the political affiliations of each of those Attorney Generals?

Don't read the news much?

13 of 13 are republican, boothby is trying to FOX the people.

12 AGs sue

All attorneys general who are joining the suit are Republican.

yeah mighty purple.. just like the tea parties, right.

But that's just it. Democrats don't behave this way.

yes, they do...just read some of the earlier posts.

boothby is trying to FOX the people.

Does that mean you'll pay to have them run cable to my house? You pay the bill and I'll try watching it ;)

ahh cause muslims arent republicans.

see let me break it down.. when a republican kills an abortion doctor that isnt terrorism, when a dem blows up a statue that is terrorism.

when bush tries terrorists in the US, that is following the law.

when obama does it, it is terrorist appeasement.

when romneycare was the GOP plan, it was the only chance for bipartisan support.

when romneycare became the dem plan, it became unconstitutional.

when clinton had an affair the entire right demanded he step down,

when republicans have affairs they have to stay on and prove themselves to the people.

see in republicanism it is "i'm right and you are wrong, even if I am wrong"

Ya a bunch...........over 1/2 of the USA, guess that leaves you in the minority doesn't it.

Over 1/2 the USA? Um...over half the USA voted for Obama who campaigned on healthcare reform.

So what is your point Greg?

We all want health care reform BUT over 1/2 of us (according to ALL polls) didn't want this reform.

My comment had nothing to do with Omamma.

Actually, polls after the health care bill passed show that more Americans are happy about this particular bill...

The findings, from a March 22 USA Today/Gallup poll conducted one day after the bill received a majority of votes in the U.S. House of Representatives, represent immediate reactions to the vote.

Americans' emotional responses to the bill's passage are more positive than negative -- with 50% enthusiastic or pleased versus 42% angry or disappointed -- and are similar to their general reactions.

Gallup: Americans Support Health Care Bill's Passage

OK redsfan........Key word in my last post.....DIDN'T

My comments were based on polls that took place BEFORE the bill was passed....Since that is when they voted. Voting & Polling afterwards would be like wiping before ya p00p, it don't make no sense. It's a done deal.

The people according to polls, BEFORE THE VOTE (hows that) stated that 1/2 of the USA didn't want this health care reform that was being presented to them.

That would be like saying OK lets forget about 9-11 like it never happened, and SORRY that's not going to happen.(to me anyway)

But most of America's attention span is about that of an ant. In this case, they saw all the wrongdoing, deals, and perks on both sides and said NO we don't want it, and now that it is past, it's like oh well we get to have tax credits...WOOHOO, maybe it was worth it.

I kinda don't work that way.

But it's not even worth discussing anymore, it's a done deal and all I can do is vote at the polls in November, since I will remember. Have a good evening.

What does it matter what any particular opinion poll says?

We have a representative democracy. Not a government by opinion poll.

ugggghhhhh

mikey you cant spin that. sorry.

skyhawk says "It sounds like abunch of children throwing a tantrum because they did not get their way."

AND YOU CLAIM IT IS OVER HALF THE COUNTRY THROWING A TANTRUM TODAY.. NOT BEFORE THE BILL WAS PASSED BUT TODAY.

"Ya a bunch...........over 1/2 of the USA, guess that leaves you in the minority doesn't it."

someone points out you are the one actually in the minority and you want to spin it that you really meant before the vote?

THIS IS TODAY.. THE GAS LINE CUT WAS YESTERDAY.. ALL THIS IS HAPPENING AFTER THE POLL SHOWING YOU SIR ARE IN THE MINORITY

JoulesBeef........

A) WTF?

B) WOW

C) You keep thinking that's what I meant or didn't mean or whatever you were trying to say there...

You are going to believe what you want to believe. Read my post VERY carefully and then think what you want. Hope ya get your free health care, and tax breaks, and all the other goodies that are in it...

I've come to the conclusion that it's useless to try to tell someone that thinks they are getting a little diamond in the box, could possibly be getting a turd. They will not believe you anyway.

MicKey

When people find out what is actually in the bill- they support it. As the bill goes into effect the GOP and Repug thugs won't be able to lie to or confuse the people any longer. The reality and truth will rule. And in November 2010 the GOP is going to see what Americans think of their lying, deceitful ways, fear/anger mongering. What is the pay one gets to be a shill for the GOP and continue to spread lies? Who would put greed and money ahead of their country and freedom? Only a Republican and a Republican shill.

LOL landspirit, I hope you don't believe your own BS....Only a Republican? ROFL....maybe you do...

Thanks for the great laugh though, some of these comments really enliten my day :)

You can manipulate polls and statistics any way you want them. The fact is that most were against it before it passed. Now that it has passed, people are going to look at it differently. For instance, I was against it before it passed but I'm not going to keep complaining about spilt milk like the AGs are. Now that it's here, I'm not interested in what happened in the past. I'm at least glad that SOMETHING passed because it creates a cornerstone. It may not be perfect but there's always room for improvement and it will happen. I'd imagine a lot of people feel that way. For the record, this republican condemns all acts of violence regardless of who commits it.

You can manipulate polls and statistics any way you want them.

How can you follow that line with this?

The fact is that most were against it before it passed.

Where did you get that "fact?" From an opinion poll that can be manipulated as you assert? You're not making a lick of sense.

You can manipulate polls and statistics any way you want them.

yep thats why you cant be an idiot and look at just any poll, plus it helps to look at their methodology and questioning.

But this wasnt dailykos, or an online poll or some obscure firm. IT was one of the oldest most trusted polling establishment in the US, the one america turns to most. Gallup.

So I'm soooo sorry you dont like hearing the polls change.. when kucinich changed his vote, many die hard liberals did as well.. so that put the polling over the top.. just accept it and stop making excuses.. learn to live in reality and just accept facts you dont like but can not change.

sorry Thomaston Paine, there have certainly been some dark days in this countries history, I don't feel they are as dark as just plain confusing and scary to many. Many including myself wanted to see Health Care Reform. I wanted to see better handling of the wars in the middleeast.I wanted to see our economy secure...I voted for the Man that I thought might be able to work both sides of the aisle, do the smart thing...

Well, got the Health Care Bill...a piece of legislation that I am ashamed of totally, not only is it the first bill ever that will effect every man,woman and child in my great country, without a bipartisan vote. In other words one step closer to becoming a country that is more tyrannical than democratic.:(

the middle east is as big a mess as ever and no end in sight:(

and as far as my candidate being smart, yeah smart like a fox:(

now he is going back out on the campaign trail...I am so sick of seeing My President,campaigning...not buying any more snake oil thank you very much.

The only people that need to be voted out are the hate mongers like Rush who only fan the flames in a self-serving quest for ratings. Let's send him to Costa Rica like he wanted.

they did listen to the voice of the people.. just not to the extreme minority of americans that think fox is the voice of the people./

farewellusa

Your name is quite interesting there. Too bad you are selling out your country by continuing to spread lies and fan anger/hate. The voice of millions and millions of people without health care were heard. The voice of millions and millions of people that wanted the government to work for them instead of a corporate fascism were heard. We finally have a leader who truly cares for his country and its people. The problem for the GOP is that our government did listen and it performed for the benefit of the people not the corporate fascism of the GOP. The people doing the threats are either very stupid or brainwashed by the deception and fog of lies from the Repubs and Fox et al. Fox lies to the people, got permission to lie to the people. Fox's connections to Saudi Arabia indicate something very disturbing. What better way to destroy America than to spread lies, provoke hate and anger based on deception and encourage/provoke violence and divisiveness. The GOP and its propaganda machine (FOX) are nothing more than a terrorist organization with the desire to destroy America and gain power and control.

Joules, had all those back room deals not taken place, this bill would not have passed. Congressmen allowed the Speaker and Pres. to buy their votes. You get annoyed with Fox in the same way I get annoyed with Hollywood millionaires acting as if they speak for everyday, hard working Americans. They make their millions pretending to be other people and think they know what is best for me? They are an embarrassment to themselves and our country. I refuse to go to movies anymore. Can't stand supporting them.

Landspirit, I am not a hateful American, just a frustrated one. The Obama beer goggles never appealed to me. I don't trust the man. Call it a gut thing. I have a friend who has served as an election judge in Chicago who said years ago that Obama comes from the most corrupt part of the Chicago political system. His associations are troubling to me, his ideology is troubling to me. He snowed the American people with his AMAZING communication skills (ha). I am as entitled to my opinion as you are yours. Don't you dare call me a racist, because I am not. My opposition to him has nothing to do with his skin color, it has everything to do with his ideas. I am not a greedy, selfish American either. My husband and I share freely with organizations that we choose to support--not ones dictated to us by our government. My husband owns a small business and works very hard at what he does. Government bureaucracy makes his job miserable and this will only add to it. We have employees who could insure their families for $12/week and CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE INSURANCE! Why? Cable, cell phone, booze, cigarettes, porn (yes, really) are higher priorities on their list. THESE are the people we will now be supporting. I understand there are some people who are truly trying to improve their lives and are struggling to get a leg up, but there are probably far more who are completely able to work harder, but don't. And how about the guy who tells my husband he can't work due to a "work injury." My husband drives by his home one day and sees this guy working on a car on his driveway . . . the very job he is too injured to do for his employer. Lazy, unmotivated people are draining the life out of this country. And I'll bet the majority of them voted for Obama. It must suck to ALWAYS be a victim. Please ask those in your party to stop spewing hate against those who disagree with them and I will do the same with those in my party. Oh, one more thing. Can you at least acknowledge that if the main stream media wasn't so biased, there wouldn't be a need for a place like FoxNews? Please don't tell me you think the MSM gives you news straight up! Obama should thank them for getting him elected in the first place.

I agree, Orange...I am amazed how many people on this discussion are defending and even advocating violence because a bill that helps millions of Americans was passed. Are they truly so ignorant of the facts and so eager to express hate? Have they totally believed the lies and smears of the right-wing? It is really disturbing.

You got it. Not only are some posters morally deficient, but they display an outrageous amount of ignorance on the subject.

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I agree completely.

Next thing you know the weather underground will be bombing the Pentagon and killing police officers.

Dave, do you think Obama's adviser and Pentagon bomber William Ayres should be hunted down and shot?

Yes Ayers should have been hunted down, arrested and prosecuted. If he resisted he should have been shot. Liberals don't get a pass on this sort of behavior either.

Snookie... WTF are you talking about. Bill Aires is many many years ago and what he did wasn't right at all. He deserves jail time too, but for you to say hey a tit for a tat is stupid and un-human. You people will not be happy until America burn to the @!$%#ing ground. All these people did was vote and pass a freaking bill that half of American wanted. These people are @!$%#ing sore losers that do not know how to control themselves. If I were their freaking parents, I would lock them in their rooms or put these over grown kids into a @!$%#ing timeout. This @!$%# is getting out of hand.

The Weather Underground killed someone. Yeah, that doesn't get a pass from anyone with any sense of morals.

Dave Ogden-----------He essentially was calling the KKK at that time "terrorists" (which they were). I'm not calling the right wing "tea partiers" racists or terrorists (yet) or comparing them with the KKK from that perspective. The attitude towards the federal government is pretty close though.

Gee Dave it looks like you made your decision already. To use Tea Party and the KKK in the same lines kinda gives up what you really mean. I like the people that associate with the Tea Party Movement, we have a lot in common like not giving up our freedom to the likes of obama and his groups, that are way more than any other party could wish to have.

Anyway these people don't losing their freedom, their money, the take over of the private enterprise system of this country. Do you realize that the obama bunch has taken over the banking system, car industry, home loan business, insurance industry and now the health insurance industry and that doesn't bother you? Wow if he gets the energy industry, immigrants and total control over the financial systems we will have a government just like they have in communist China. Is that what you people want? If it is there is something terribly wrong in the way you look at this country and what we have stood for for a very long time. If you like this type of government head dead south from Florida 90 miles and you can be in Cuba where these things are in play. I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms and hand cuffs.

Smokie - save me the "if you're a commie move" comments. My family dates back to both the original Cherokee natives and early settlers. So if anyone is welcome to "go home" it's you.

Read what I wrote above again. I clearly said that I was only comparing the two groups in reference to their attitudes towards our Federal Government. I think the attitude is unhealthy in that it promotes violence if the individual decides for himself that our Government's actions are violating the Constitution. That's up to the Supreme Court to decide - not you.

If you hate the initiatives executed by our representatives, vote them out and install representatives who share your views. But don't whine when you lose an election and complain when the majority are finally achieving their representation. That's not democracy.

Again, you folks behave like the previous 8 years didn't happen. These wars are costing a hell of a lot more than this health bill and you're paying for that. A hell of a lot of that money went into the pockets of major corporations at the expense of the American taxpayer. Where's your outrage with this? At least the health bill aims to help Americans. It's not perfect by a long shot but considering we have no term limits, the right wing's obstinance and lies it's a miracle anything got done.

And stop lumping all of these issues together like they're all part of some grand conspiracy. It's not. The financial bailouts were awful and no one wanted to do it but even the Republicans were on board because if the Country's economy completely failed there would be no viable system in place to bring us back. I'm sure you would have had plenty to say about Obama and his evil empire if he had actually allowed the entire system to crash and burn.

#26 and #26.1:All I can say is if anyone out there were to take that third step do so at your own risk. If you're part of this crowd I'm fine with our armed forces hunting you down and capturing or killing you like any other terrorist.

I agree with you both, enough is enough, and you're not intimidating anyone! You that sneak and cut gas lines and throw rocks through windows just show what COWARDS you truly are.

I know your children are ashamed of you, since you cowardly adults have no shame. Thank God their teachers are hopefully teaching them responsibility because it is apparent that you aren't! The same hate you feel and spew upon others, your children will feel the same about you.

Just wait, you will rue the day. Some model you are portraying!